The DANGEROUS Ideology Behind the Trump Assassination Attempt (ft. David Nasser) | Live Free with Josh Howerton

There was the fourth legitimate assassination attempt on President Trump's life. We have a lot of politically aware Christians who listen to a live free. And I want to keep saying the same thing. Politics cannot fix what politics did not break. You can have outrage at what happened last night, but eventually it's got to turn into outreach. Could there have been someone in the life of these individuals who end up being the harmers when somebody could have been their church community? Well, hey, a live free nation. Before we jump into the episode, this podcast is recorded right here at Lake Point Church in Dallas, Texas. But the live free nation is spread all over the country and all around the world. So if you've been watching and thinking, man, I wish I could be part of something like this. We want to invite you to take a simple next step and that is join us for church online. Every weekend we stream our services live on YouTube, Facebook and our church online platform. And it's more than just watching a service. There are live hosts in the chat. Prayer teams ready to stand with you and people all around the world worshipping together in real time. And so whether you're exploring the faith coming back to church or just looking for a place to start, church online is a great way to jump in and experience what God is doing here at Lake Point. We would love to see you in the chat this weekend and now enjoy the podcast. Well, hey, welcome back to another episode of the live free podcast. My name is Carlos Arrazio and I'm here with Pastor Josh Howard and Paul Cunningham. And today we have a special guest. Bishop David Nasser. Come on. Come on. Back with this. I've never been called Bishop before. This is a bishop. He's back. He's back. David. Well, last time he's on an episode exploded. Yes. And it's so glad we got to have Mac. He's our Iran expert. Well, hey, call the only one you know. Hey, hey, expert. It's Iran. Oh, it's Iran. It's Iran. It can't be whatever you want it to be. Hey, David, you know what? What would you like for me to be? English is my Russian language. That's okay. Barcyon, the national relations. Now you're Cuban. No. OK. Hey. We're not even now. No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Hey, don't hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You're Canadian, right? No. I just thought since we're just throwing out parts of the world and everyone belongs. I'm coming from Canada. Yeah, I just thought we're going there. He knows what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. That's great. That's great. David, welcome back. Thank you, buddy. Hey, today we're going to have a great episode. We're going to be talking about different things. Also, Pastor Josh, welcome back from Greece. Yeah, and it's going to be about a little jet lagged. Yeah, you're good. It's going to be about, hey, actually I'm bragging on the pod real quick. In Stinking, Greece, I'm not joking. I've never felt the lake pointers who were with me. We had like 45, 50 lake pointers who we're doing a journey of Paul trip and visiting sites on the book of Acts, Acts 16, 17, 18, primarily. And you know, I think they're estimation of our church. Skyrocketed in Greece. I'm not joking. I would conservatively estimate 20 people stopped us. And we're like, like my church, we watch like my church. Wow. So dude, this is no joke. We're on the top of the Acropolis and some of our teams up there. And they see there's a Greek street preacher outside of the Acropolis. By the way, he had a great little message. He did what did he do? He did one savior, two nails, three days. It's like a legitimately good gospel centered street preacher. It was awesome. Like love of God was awesome. And he he sees the little lake point landered on sort of people. And his accent, he's like, you like what church? Dallas, I don't know how to do a Greek accent. That's okay. Like what church? Dallas, Texas. They're like, yeah, yeah. They said, yeah, he said, I want your podcast. That's amazing. That's amazing. Wow. That's crazy. Oh, it was insane, man. At the Mars Hill. Yep, right there. So, okay, actually, we'll probably do this more when I get back into Acts when we're teaching. So I didn't know this. Because I had never been to, you been to Mars Hill? Yeah, I had never been to Mars Hill. I didn't know. Mars Hill, so for listeners, Acts 17, Paul, it does a deal at the beginning of Acts 17, where he's looking around Athens. And he goes, his spirit was provoked within him because the city was full of idols. So then right after that, he gets accused of, quote, unquote, promoting foreign gods. By the way, here's a little fun fact about, we didn't plan to do this. Here's a little fun fact about that. The reason that would have sent a chill down his spine is because just like a century or two earlier, the major event in Athens was Socrates was forced to drink to Hemlock, capital punishment. Why? Because he was accused of promoting foreign gods. So I didn't know, in Acts 17, the language there is the exact same language that was used to convict Socrates and get him killed. So then, I have a point to this. So then Paul goes up on Mars Hill, and he does a whole deal of, hey, men of Athens, you got all these idols here and all this stuff. I didn't know until this trip, and this is, I'm the dummy. I didn't know the Ariopagus Mars Hill is literally at the foot of the acropolis. So Paul, have you? Have you not been? No, I have not. This is already the dream joke. But he will one day. He will one day. He will one day. I didn't know that Mars Hill is literally right at the foot of the acropolis. So when he's telling them, hey, the city's full of idols, literally, he's looking right at the Parthenon. There's 22 either statues or temples to the demonic pagan Greek gods there. And that's why he says that. So there's a bunch of stuff like that on that trip. It's like, bro, I didn't. It all just starts to click. And then, so literally, when he says in line, like God does not live in temples made by human beings. Oh, exactly. It's like visuals. Yeah, exactly. Exactly right here. So then you start to think. So even today, I mean, 2000 years later, the whole city of Athens revolves around the Parthenon. Yeah, like the whole city is about the Parthenon. So you go back 2000 years and Paul's telling these dudes, the area of this was like the Supreme Court of Athens. He's telling them, hey, God's not in those temples made by human hands. Like, you got to imagine the courage and conviction that that would have taken Paul's time. It's stunning, man. Well, we're going to talk about that. How to share our faith in just a second. You're also going to share a little bit more about your trip, Greece. We're going to be addressing the pastoral response to President Trump's assassination attempt at the White House correspondent dinner. That's crazy. Literally as if the recording of this episode just happened last night. Yeah. We're going to talk about some different ways to share the gospel. We have David Nasir here, the expert from Iran. Man, I'm learning. I need things. No, you didn't. You see how quick life takes it? You did it, Paul. Thank you. It's Cuban accent. And my Cuban accent, sure. Actually, usually it's Mexican, but that's okay. We're going to-- You're from Costa Rica. No, no, I'm sorry. Hey, if you're part of the live free nation, if you've never been here, we love to meet you. And person, come hang out. If you ever want to come in, you want to ask Chad Jeep, I'll see if your tattoo in Hebrew actually says what you think it says. So you can go ahead and do that. I've received at least 20 messages on social media for people to proofread their Greek and Hebrew tattoos. That's terrifying. Come find us. Last week, yep. First time guest stands, we got a gift for you also. Oh, I got this Trump stamp week. Oh, boy. [LAUGHTER] There's some policies that I mentioned on the podcast. That's dope. That's dope. That's dope. Neither of them have that. Every single week, we have a giveaway for live free merch. You can see it right here. You can go ahead and if you're on YouTube, or Spotify, comment hat. Is that fun? You like hat? Yeah. OK, comment hat. And we'd love to select-- We want to give away hats. Multiple winners to find our daily Bible reading plan, plus the weekly sermon, plus an early release of the live free podcast. Download the Lake Point Church app. Text the word app to 20411, or go to Apple or Google Play Store. David Nasr. Well, wait. Oh, you're right. Can I do one more next? Wait for some Greece. Yeah. You've been, right? I have been. Yeah. Did you go to Philippi? We did. All right. So everything we saw, this was the thing that was like, oh my gosh, my heart's saying. All right, so here's the one. And I'll do more when we start preaching the book of Acts again in a couple weeks. Terni, will you pull up that one picture that it looks like it's just from rural Texas? OK, so this-- so we're-- Seriously, it's like, break down the road over here. There's nothing Grecian about this picture, really. OK, so of everything we saw, at every spot, I'll stop and do a devotional on that kind. So this is-- I've never seen this before. So this is right outside the Ruins of Ancient Philippi. This is in-- if you go to Acts 16, I'm going to read it. This is the likely baptism site of Lydia, who was the seller of purple cloth. She was like total baller, wealthy, probably in the Roman fashion industry. Most bobble scholars assume because of two verses in the book of Philippians that she leveraged her wealth as a gospel patron to fund Paul's ministry. There's two verses in Philippians that make it clear, they were a financial backer of his ministry in a way that other churches weren't. And a lot of people think, yeah, that was Lydia. So in Acts 16, I'll read it real quick. And this has a good payoff, just stick with me. Kind of thing that's like, you don't see it if you just read real fast. So Acts 16, it says, "On the Sabbath day, we went outside of the gate to the river side." So notice the details. And we sat down and spoke to a woman named Lydia. Now, the reason they're like, hey man, that's legit where Lydia got baptized is one. It's at Ancient Philippi, number two. It's outside one of the city gates, like the verse said. And number three, there's only one river there. So you connect the dots and it's like, bro, that's, I mean, I just read Evers. You just stepped into the book of Acts when you're standing there. And it's Lydia, okay. But here's what kind of Emma is sweat when we're standing there. So I start studying these passages. You probably preach it a million times. I start studying these passages before we go, 'cause I don't want these to be trips. I want them to disciple people. So there's this prayer, they're called the Birk, I wanna pronounce it correctly, Birkha Hashikar. There were prayers that Jewish men in the first century would frequently pray. And I'll just, I'll read it, what they would, they would pray is frequently Jewish men, especially Pharisees like Paul. They would pray three things. It was a series of professions of thanks. And they would pray, oh man, it's gonna make my sweat, just saying it, Paul very likely grew up every day. He would pray, God, I wanna thank you. Then I'm not three things. I'm not a woman, I'm not a slave, then I'm not a Gentile. All right. So he grows up praying these things. Then Paul gets saved earlier in the book of Acts and he becomes a spirit-filled church planner. And it's a little spirit-filled church planner, former Jewish duty walks into Philippi. And if you read Acts 16, 17, 18, there's three people that God immediately saves, supernaturally under Paul's ministry. He saves, hang on, he saves Lydia. He saves, God saves this, it's a little, a slave girl that was filled with the demonic spirit of divination. And then number three, the Philippian Jailer. So let me, this is amazing. Paul grows up, his whole life praying, "God, thank you. "I'm not a woman, not a slave, and I'm not a Gentile." Then he wanders into Philippi and God goes, "You know what, Paul? "I'm gonna use this save three people right off the bat. "A woman, a slave, and a Gentile." So this thing, man, listen, man. It's a movement for all people. Anybody can get it on this thing. So dude, I'm standing there and I'm like, I'm like an eight-year-old girl. I mean, I'm just thinking that God's so good. - That's what I mean, that's awesome, man. - Wow. - That's awesome. - Well, I'm sure there's more that you want to hear with us. - Other time, we'll say that. - We'll say that. - We'll say that. But David, thank you so much for your sermon, man. Thank you for being here with us this weekend. - That's such an honor to be here. What an amazing group of people that have gathered together and called this their home church. Just to be on the lobby and to meet your people, so many of them, on mission, so many of them, burdened for their one more. So many of them have come to Christ through the faithfulness of this church body by someone else. I met a young lady who was a former Muslim who had given her life to Christ last night. And man, she said, my mom and my dad are not Christians. But then standing right beside her was this sweet, elderly couple, and she points to them. They didn't mean you're truthful. She goes, this is my spiritual mom and dad. And we were just hugging and I thought, oh, when I think about Lake Point, I always think about like my friend, Josh Howardton. But really, now when I think about Lake Point, I'm also gonna think about that sweet couple who just stepped into the life of this young convert and are like, we got you. God's gonna give you a ton of fathers of mothers, you know? And so it's just been a joy. It's been life giving to be here, man. Thanks for trusting me in the pulpit. - Amen. - And to be able to open God's words. - Thank you for doing it. That's one of the best messages that's been preached while I've been here. That was insane, yeah. That was insane. Well, it's funny, it was full circle for me because you know, I tell a story, the first time I ever heard you preach, I was sophomore in college. And you did one verse. You went word by word through John 3, 16. And then this one, you went word by word. It's John 6. - That's 6.35. - 6.55. And it was just word by word, sermon. It was, that was fire. Thank you. - Yeah, man. - Praise to God. - Praise to God, fire, fire, fire. - So, as we do here in the live free podcast, we tend to ask whoever preaches that weekend, who will be like, "Hey, what did I make it to the sermons?" Let me ask you what additional things, I'm sure you got more to share from your sermon. - Yeah, I mean, obviously for someone who's yet to hear it, and hopefully you'll have time to make it a part of your schedule this week to go, listen to the sermon. It's about that moment where Jesus says the undisputable truth about himself. He says, "I am the bread of life. If you come to me, you're not gonna be hungry. You're not gonna be thirsty. I'm gonna shift everything about your identity. It's not that you're not gonna have longings. You're just not gonna be identified by them anymore. I'm gonna be your everything. And then everything else is gonna find this proper place. If you make me your greatest obsession. And so, I did John 635, kind of broke that down a little bit, and it's more than just, "I'm the one true religion." It's more like, "I'm everything. I wanna be on the throne of your life and not on the top shelf of your life. I want your wife to take a distance second, your kids to take a distance second, your job, your ambitions. If everything else, I'm your one right and die. I found everything, then everything else will make sense." And so, then I talked about how that happens about a day after Jesus had actually physically given people physical bread. By the way, I did not know that. I felt so numb. It was one of those things that was like, I had never connected those dots. You should say 21 hours. Yeah. I don't know why they say that. Well, they believe Jesus feeds the masses. And in between that, by the way, in between that is, then he just goes on the boat by himself to a solid, he goes to be by himself and pray, that disciples, I'm sorry, in between the feeding of the masses and the John 6th, 35, is the Peter walking on water moment and all that. So, pretty traumatic night where the guys just kind of had all that happen with the feeding, then Peter walks on water and all of that. Wake up the next day, they're on the other side of the Sea of Galilee. And I'm not, you've been to Israel. Have you been to Israel? I'm sorry. Anyway, so if you go to Israel, he will. He will. He will. He's not the joke. He's not the joke. The guy who knows the most about him is actually a little bit. He knows more than the three of us combined. Right. He knows the most, but he's-- No. Oh, come on. That was well played. So if you go, you know that the next day they wake up and the same people that he fed the day before, and you know how you actually are hungrier when you eat a big fat meal, like the neck of your stomachs kind of stretch, they wake up the next day and they're physically hungry again. And that's when they come around the bend. And so they believe by the time they'd had a late afternoon meal to the next morning when they wake up and they find them around lunchtime, it's about 21 hours. So no one knows for sure, but it's the next day. So they come to him and they're looking again for him to meet in another moment. And like, hey, we're hungry again physically, feed us again. And that's when Jesus says, man, you must eat on my flesh, drink of my blood. I mean, that's when Jesus just lays the gauntlet down. And he says, look, this physical hunger that you have is nothing but an earthly illustration that as the creator, I made you to make you wake up to the reality of your actual greatest hunger, your eternal hunger, which is this longing for me. And all the banquets of the world are gonna leave you wanting. See, they're gonna be false bread or it's gonna be temporary bread. And it's gonna always leave you unsatisfied. And so only I'm gonna be able to really satisfy you. But the heart of this message was in investigating Jesus was the strategy by which Jesus, over and over again, went after how he won the one more by figuring out how he won more, W-O-N, the one more. W-O-N-E's. And how he did it so often was, Jesus would find a momentary need and he'd step into that momentary need. And talk about the humility and the tenacity and the focus of like, I'm not gonna pander to the need, I'm gonna position myself to serve. I said, Jesus would meet that momentary need so that he would earn the right to speak eternal truth into the life of people. And so that was the heart of the message. And I think the one thing I would say that didn't make it into message is, it's never lost on me. Honestly, being at your church bro, it's not lost on me being at one of my very favorite preachers because you really are. I'm not just saying that to you, just 'cause we're in the same room and sitting on the same side of the table. Like you are at this moment, one of God's anointed voices that he's risen up. And it's all God, but you've been, you've been the crooked stick that he's sitting on some pretty good licks with right now. And you, but it's not lost on me sitting right beside one of my favorite preachers, that the greatest preacher of all time, who is not Josh Howardton, it's not Matt Chandler, it's not Francis Chan, it's not Tim Keller, it's not John Piper, the greatest preacher of all time. Jesus. - Jesus. I mean, sometimes people like you 'cause they like your content. Jesus had the best content 'cause he made the creator of all content, like in the beginning, before there was a beginning, there was a beginner who began beginning, before there was creation, there was the uncreated one who created all creation. So like Jesus says before in the beginning was already, was the word, that's Jesus, the word made for it. So the content creator of all creation, so talk about someone who has good content. - That's right. - The one who holds all content. Like we're fishing off AI and off our, our software, like tell me something about a fish in the ocean that I can use it, Jesus made it. So the guy who had all content, who had perfect timing, you're coming off jet lag. I'm older than you, I came from Tokyo last week, I'm still getting off jet lag. Like Jesus 24/7 has perfect timing. Jesus has 24/7 all content. Sometimes you'll speak and somebody will say, it felt like you knew exactly what to say in my life, Josh. They'll be sitting on the fourth row and they'll think, does somebody hand you a sticky note? Like all my secret and you don't know. But Jesus knew on a Sunday morning, Jesus knew every Sunday that they've been through. Jesus knows every Sunday, Carlos is ever going, you don't know five Sundays from now, Jesus does. So the one who holds all content, all knowledge, all wisdom, is fair to say Jesus, there'll never be anyone near Jesus as a communicator. - That's right. It's greatest storyteller, parable, you know what I mean? Like, are you kidding me right now? The greatest preacher of all time finds 15,000 people on a mountain side and he doesn't go, somebody with skinny jeans, sing three mavericks in his arms and get me a mic. He doesn't polish a sermon off to him. The greatest preacher of all time finds 15,000 people and their most. immediate need. Not very eternal, they're most immediate need is they're hungry and he goes, let's feed him. I'm just telling you, I think sometimes preachers, we try to solve everything with a gathering. Yeah, that's right. That's right. And we try to mobilize everybody with like, give me a mic and let me, you know, and God's going like, just note that like Jesus knew how to communicate and he decided first to show compassion. Yes, right. And they're hungry. Let's give him a meal. Let's put our best, let's be hospitable. And then the next day, he didn't skirt the issue. So I think some churches are really good at meeting needs, but they never share the gospel. Some churches are really good at sharing the gospel, but they never meet needs. And Jesus comes in the middle and he's like, why do those things have to contradict one another? That's right. It's actually the way I call it the tension, not even the pigeon, the reality of the great commission, you know, go tell and the great commandment love well. That's right. How do you do both at this time? And Jesus models it right there. We're going to get that in a second. I want to talk because you gave some stuff about, I don't care who you are, man, if you love Jesus, then your heart starts burning for somebody else, you love no Jesus. Yeah. So and you, that's what you did in that message. You that thing at the end of the message, where it's like, hey, raise your hand or stand, you know, and there's just that that just hits different. It starts to hit different when you start on Jesus. I want to get to that in a second and just get real practical. Everybody's got some of this close to you from, but far from God. Okay. How do we, as disciples, how do we help? How do we move the needle? I want to get back to that in a second. You did something at the beginning of that message where you were, you just walk word by word through that, that verse where it was like, you did the, I am. And then you did the IMV, which was, as a preacher, I was gone. That was brilliant. Yeah. That's right. So as a preacher, I was like, that's right. That's so good. Um, can I just, can I just, interrupt you and just say, is it sirloin or wagyu? And here's what I mean by that. And I'm not saying some verses are what sirloin, I'm just saying, like, I don't know about you guys, but I roll different. Like, I don't get a lot of wagyu. I get a ton of sirloin. And so when it went, when I'm at dinner, somebody says, wagyu, I don't take big gulps. I don't take big, they're giving me four ounces. That's great. They're slicing and calling the Carpaccio, which is like, I think Carpaccio is Italian for like, you don't get a lot because you can't afford it. So like, if it's, if it's wagyu, you savor it. And I just feel like verses sometimes get gobbled up when we need to slow down and go, look, layered inside. So like, before we just read really quick, there's plenty in the eye. And then I feel like I'm fast forwarding through. I don't know how you feel, but sometimes like, you'll do 10 weeks in in Luke. And people are like, why are we going to be in Luke because I'm rushing through it? I was going to say 10 weeks. If you really wanted to do Luke, right, it would take two years. So I'm after, I'm after a couple of years ago, take two years. Holy man. Frank Lloyd Wright, he did Galatians in five years. Yeah. And felt like he was rushing. There's this whole, like we can do a whole podcast, just like a preacher in a podcast, but there's paragraph preachers and there's sentence preachers. Like if you go read a Charles Spurgeon sermon, every Charles Spurgeon sermon is literally either one sentence or one phrase in one sentence. And he does what you did. And then there's paragraph preachers. That's, that's, that's a little more of what I do. There's a lot of guys that, that's what Joey Martin does. Joey Martin is a paragraph preacher. But man, there's, it's really nice. I love when you can sentence preach. It's really nice. Yeah. Anyways, that's what we were doing. We're saying, I, I am fire. Yeah. Okay. So the point you made is that what you did is you hit the I am statement. And a lot of people don't know this. When you read the book of John, there's like a spine to the book of John. And you alluded to this that the book of John hangs off seven I am statements. And obviously for, for people who are maybe not as initiated, that's, it's not called a tetragramaton. The tetragramaton is what gets translated. Yeah. What's Lord? Yeah. It's Lord in our translations. Yep. Yep. But the I am statements are explicit claims to deity because obviously the Old Testament when God reveals Himself to Moses. Hey, what's your name? Tell him I am sent you. I am who I am. And Jesus is very obviously, very obviously. So the reason I want to hit this, let's just do this real quick. We're going to throw it into a chat, chat about tea for a little bottle or a thing. Here, what I want you to do Paul real quick is can you like give a quick overview? So what Jesus does throughout his ministry is he will explicitly imply his equality with the Father and his deity. But what you'll get is because he mostly does implication instead of explanation. What you'll get is you get news like Bart Irman or a lot of guys who are, you know, sort of critics of and you're like listeners will get this thrown at you. Jesus never claimed to be God. Yeah. Your constant team made that up in three, twenty, you know, you get that. That's the. So Nasser alluded to it real quick. Paul, we used Bob when I heard out for a quick, give us a quick overview of Jesus claims towards deity and then we can chip in. It's good. Yeah. Three three broad categories. Jesus said things only God could say he did things only God could do and he knew things only God could know. Right? I've never heard that before. It's so good. That's why he's got you Pussy. Do that one more time. That's really good. Did things only God could do. He said things only God could say and he knew things only God could know. I think we're done here. Podcast was great. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Okay. Keep going. And so let's just kind of break these categories and this is the way in and things that I leave out. I mean, we could really be here for hours. Yeah, you do have all the categories. But let's just go a few things. Things that Jesus said. So the most explicit that you were referring to one was in John 8.58. Jesus says before Abraham was I am. But this is where you don't have to always do this. You can read your English translation to get plenty from it. But this is actually where it is helpful a little bit. So the Greek of just what Jesus was saying and then when the people who wrote the gospel of John were trying to say John who wrote the gospel of John was trying to say. So in the Greek it says before Abraham was ego a me as what it would have said in Greek. He is referring to a specific thing that you alluded to and that is from Exodus. Exodus chapter four. I've got here the was called the Septuagint. We only have one. I mean, Nasser might be able to do this. But there's only one guy at the table that I'm aware of that can literally read from his Greek New Testament and then his Septuagint. But explain what the Septuagint is real quick. The Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament. So actually we will get into this in an upcoming episode where we can talk about we converse with Father Mike not in person but just via video in terms of what's called the apocrypha. And so you have the Greek Septuagint which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament. Probably so you don't read the Septuagint in your free time. No, I do not. They do they have a Cuban translation. They have an important weekend. They don't know. If you're listening from Cuba. I don't know if you're listening from Cuba. I'm sure they listen to the fuck out of Cuba. All right. So this is this is from the book of Exodus. How most read it in Greek because you were making do it. Let's just read it. And then it says Legon ego a me saying I am. And so last week Paul was flexing his tricep today's flexing his language skills over here. Stop. So it's like right there. I mean literally. So Jesus is speaking to these religious leaders as before Abraham was I am. And by the way they immediately want to kill him because they know what he's doing. It's because he's referring directly to this where God says Moses I am. And then just after this guy who says I am the God of your forefathers the God of Abraham. So when Jesus says before Abraham was I am he is directly going back to this and quoting that. Also you get like you mentioned another one of these in John 10 30. Jesus the father and I are one. He doesn't mean oh yeah we're like on the same team or we agree on things like again when he says this the people that listen to him immediately want to do what they want to kill him because he had committed blasphemy. Let me give you one more. There's this great thing in the book of John as well where the disciples are on the boat and they're freaked out and Jesus appears and he says it is I don't be afraid. It's kind of just a weird thing to say just like listen to it. What he says in the Greek is ego a me I am don't be afraid. And he is referencing Psalm 108. So many people miss this. This is Psalm 108 27 through 30. Then they cried to the Lord in the trouble. Kind of like when the disciples all of a sudden when the storm it says they cried out Lord Lord you know kind of a thing. And he delivered them from their distress. He made the storm be still and the waves of the sea were hushed. Then they were glad that the waters are quiet and he brought them to their desired haven. And in the context who was doing this Yahweh. God himself is doing this. So Jesus says things that only God could say he also did things only God could do. For example, like I just mentioned he walked on water only God could could do that. In Mark 257. I'm two five through seven. He forgives sins. That's a big one. It's a huge one. Because he explained this real quick. Your average Bible reader will read past this and there's that confusing little phrase like hey, which is easier to say get up and walk or to say your sins are forgiven and your average Bible reader doesn't realize what's happening there. Exactly. See I talk about this real quick. Yeah. And so even like going back to the Psalms and the Psalms that talks about man, one of the reasons that the Lord Yahweh is amazing is because he is the one who not only heals our diseases, but he does what he forgives our sins. And so in Mark 2, Jesus is with the paralytic. This is that story where the guys bring and they lower them down the mat. And he just looks at him and even though like he has an immediate felony, but which by the way, he addresses. He said your sins are forgiven and the people listening are ticked off like who can forgive sins, but God alone. That's literal with the verses. Yes. Who can forgive sins, but God alone. Jesus is gone. I'm him. So Jesus obviously at that point because he's early in his ministry and if he says something like that, it's immediately going to come to a head and it's not his time yet. And so he basically says, okay. And so then he says, well, what is easier to do that or forgive? And so he forgives the guy, both the implication is like, he never denied that he couldn't forgive. He didn't say, oh, my bad, yeah, only God can forgive. He's like, no, I'm gonna heal the guy. I'm gonna meet his immediate physical need, but I also still forgive him of his bigger need. - That I forgave him of the sin. - So I just wanna make sure, 'cause that one is significant. - It's massive. - So for listeners, like if, and I'm not making a joke, I'm just gonna analogy, if Carlos punches Paul and Paul's mad about it, and I say to Carlos, I forgive you. - Yeah. - That doesn't make it, hey, the sin wasn't against me. (laughing) You can't forgive me. - So the implication of Jesus saying, I forgive your sins, the obvious implication is, it's from Psalm 51, against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight. And Jesus is explicitly claiming there every sin you've ever committed was against me, because I'm Yahweh. - Exactly. - Another thing, and then I'll move to things that Jesus moves. These are things that Jesus did that only God could do. He received worship. So in Matthew 14, it says, those in the boat worshiped him, saying, truly you are the Son of God. Now, with other places in scripture, people are tempted to worship angels. And to other worship, other things like that. And immediately, what do always angels do? They're like, no, no, no worship is reserved for God alone. So it says, truly you are the Son of God, and it says that they worshiped him. And then this is the next verse. And when they had crossed over, they came to the land against it, gonna say it. So what you don't get is Jesus saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is inappropriate. Do not worship me. He receives their worship, yeah. Because he is the only one worthy of worship. Some things that Jesus knew that only God could know, he knew the thoughts of religious leaders in the book of Mark. He talks about how he knew their thoughts and he knew what they were thinking. - There is no other example of a prophet in the Bible that had insight into the thoughts of a person. Is there, I can't think of one. - Not as they're having it, no. - Yeah, okay. - And then also in John 1, it says this, talking about a guy named Nathaniel. Jesus saw Nathaniel coming toward him and said of him, "Behold, and Israel ought indeed in whom there is no deceit." Nathaniel said to him, "How do you know me?" Jesus answered him, "Before Philip called you "when you were under the fig tree, I saw you." And this isn't like, oh, like from a hundred yards away, this is where he was not there. Only God is everywhere, only God knows all things. So he knows things that only God could know that he was under this fig tree and look at Nathaniel's response. He answered him, "Rabbi, you are the son of God." So Jesus did things only God could do. He knew things only God could know and he said things only God could say. They'll leave, I may have left out some things in here. - Well, I mean, there's a million of them. - Yeah, yeah. So let's, if there's one that we miss, let's chime it in. Because here's what I'm doing this for listeners. You will 100% get a question, either from your one more of the scatology to my question or from somebody that's like the biblical term for this type of person is a scoffer. Somebody that's trying to, they're doing reverse evangelism on you, you're gonna get this. So I'll just chime in a couple of, that are like my favorite little inception deep cuts. So one of my favorite ones is John 9, where there's the dude, this born blind. And it's the whole, "Hey, who said this guy was parents?" And the guy comes up and Jesus is like, "Oh, I'll heal you." And when you read it, the first time you read it, you're like, "What the heck, this is so stinkin' rude of Jesus. Why is he so rude and nasty?" Because it says that he spits in the ground and makes mud with saliva. And he puts it on the, dude, I'm gonna get emotional, he puts it on the eyes of the guy and the guy can see. And at first you read it and you're like, "What the heck, man?" But then if you remember, you go back to Genesis 1, and when God, the Father, Yahweh created mankind, he created him out of the dust of the earth. And so Jesus, when he does that, he's going, "Hey, man, let me take some dust and put it on those eyes and it was a revelation moment where he's puttin' dirt on this guy's eyes." And it's essentially like that moment in the movie where he turns to the camera and goes, "I have done this before." - Wow. - Yeah. - Wow. - That was me and Genesis 1. They did this. - It's recreation, too. - That's it. - And you're creation, man. - That's right, that's right. - The other one, "Well, you do one." - No, man. (laughing) - That's so good. So you guys, the other one, is that I love. Seriously, we do this all day. - The Bible just, there's layers to this, man. There's levels to this. The Transfiguration account is the obvious one, his face, transform like lightning, you know. And remember the two dudes that are on the mountain. You got Moses and Elijah. Okay, well, there's two levels to that one. One, both of those guys had encounters with the Father Yahweh on a mountain. Moses encounters God on Sinai. Elijah encounters the Father on Horeb. And so it's like, it's honestly, you're getting this moment where it's like, let's have a reunion. We've met on top of a mountain before and it's Jesus. But then the other one, dude, this is, I love it so much. So Moses, to my knowledge, only has two requests in his entire life and Exodus turned down by God. One, remember he goes, "Hey, show me your glory." And God's like, "Hey, man, I love you. I can't do that." And remember what he says. He says, "No man shall see my face. - My face." - No face. - He turns it back to him. No man shall see my face and live. The other request Moses has declined is, "Man, I really wanna enter the promised land." And God's like, "Man, because you're disobedience, you can't." But then you fast, "Oh, dude, the Bible's so great." But then you fast forward to that moment on the Transfiguration account. And Moses appears and he's talking with Jesus. His face is transfigured like lightning. And what's Moses seeing? The face of God. And he's in the problem. - Come on. - It's just like this. - So good. - Well, and I'll show it to you guys. - This could be a good second. - Right, before one more, one more. 'Cause this is tied to what David preached. You know, so some people will point out as well that Luke 9, the feeding of the 5,000, it seems to nod to the good shepherd in Psalm 23. And so, Psalm 23 says, in the original language, Jehovah is my shepherd. The Lord is my shepherd. In other gospels, Jesus sees the crowd. And the Bible says he had compassion over them because they're like sheep without a shepherd. In Psalm 23, he says, he makes me lie down in green pastures. And Luke, Jesus literally makes them lie down in green pastures. In Psalm 23, it says, my cup overflows. In Luke 9, it says 12 baskets of leftovers were picked up. There's an overflow. - Wow. - In Psalm 23, it says, the Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want. Luke 9 says, all 8 and all were-- - Why didn't you tell me this before? I didn't know this. - Why didn't you tell me this before? - I don't know what I've been in this sermon, Carlos. - Jesus is a good shepherd. - Oh, come on. - I don't know, people, 'cause I think this should be good so I bet. In terms of when we were talking about sharing your faith and just meeting needs, those are a huge part of that. I gotta get rid of my eyes. - Yeah, you gotta get rid of my eyes. I gotta get rid of my favorite stories. - Okay, can I actually say this? I'm sorry, as people here in this are like, they're about to turn the corner and now sales pitch us to have to go and share our faith. And it's not lost on me in the story that Jesus doesn't need the fish and the bread from the little boy. He doesn't have to physically hold fish and bread to do the, he doesn't like, the only way I gotta, guys all you've got is pork. And so I'm just gonna have to get to multiply pork 'cause you don't have to, Jesus could have, but the little boy brings the little bit that he has, insufficient, and he invites him into the story. He gets to be a part of the bigger thing than him. Jesus always did that. You bring water to me, I'll turn it into wine. You bring the insufficient little bit that she got, and I'm inviting you to, so I won't, as we start to turn the corner of like, how do you win your friend to the Lord? It's not like, oh man, now they're gonna turn it on me. It's like, we, we get to participate. We get to be the little boy, you know? - People miss this detail in Luke, I love it 'cause basically there's always like, oh there's all these people and Jesus like, you give them something to eat. - Yeah, that's right. - He's like, I want you to be a part of this. - Yeah, the story from Luke, it just a place that again just, it shows I believe Jesus is divinity, but it also shows his compassion, meaning of needs. There's a story where he goes into this town, I believe it was named, and he's going and there's a funeral procession, and it's this woman who has just lost her only son, and she was a widow. And so in this culture, that means she would have been destitute and vulnerable, no way to support herself and could have been taken advantage of. And it says that when Jesus saw her, he had compassion on her, but the Greek that he says, his insides turned, his insides turned. And he said, woman, do not cry, which is, it seems like a very sensitive thing to say. But then he touches out and he puts his hand on the coffin, which in that culture is the big thing here. In that culture, if you touch a coffin, you're unclean a while, like you're unclean, never touches that unclean. And yet Jesus reaches his hand out and touches the coffin, and he raises the sun back up, and it says he gives him back to his mother, as a way to take care of her. And yet, and so not only did Jesus have compassion on this woman, but what's interesting is, when Jesus did that, he didn't become unclean, he restored life back to something that was dead. And only God can do that. Again, Jesus can do the only things that God can do. And he met that need in that moment. - Those three things, can you just, don't want out of the time we spoke it? You see, just that he did. - Jesus said things only God could say. - Stop, forget the Bible stories. - Yeah. - Jesus said to David Nazar, to Carlos, to Josh. Jesus said to me, can you testify to this? He said it to you in Spanish. He said it to me in Texas. But Jesus said to me only things that God could say. What's the second one? - Jesus did things only God could do. - I mean, if you're on a treadmill right now, listen to this podcast. Did Jesus do things for you that only God could do? Forget everybody else. - Amen. - This ain't 2,000 years ago on a dusty hill in places that you have not been able to go yet. This is like, Jesus said things to David Nasser that only God could say. Jesus did things for David Nasser that only God could do. And what's the third one? - Jesus knew things only God could know. - I mean, can we personalize? Is that true about him right now in your life? - He's got some preachings. - Yeah, that's true. - I mean, I just wanna say, like, I find goodness. - I can testify to that. - Amen. - Let me put a bow on this. And then what I do wanna do is, let's get real practical, because if you have a spiritual pulse, then you care about people coming to Jesus. And every one of us, I got people that, every time I talk about makes my sweat, I'll pray for 'em. 'Til I pray for 'em, fit years. 'Til the day I die of wanting 'em to come to Jesus. Everybody's got that. So let's get real practical here in a second, and just like, cook his on the bottom shelf. Here's what a normal dude, normal girl can do, to move the needle in somebody's life. Let me just put a bow on this. If you're listening to this, you're like, "All this stuff's really cool." Okay, but, you know, Jesus God, are you sure? What I'd say is, if you zoom out, this is really what the whole book of the Gospel of John is about. And I just wanna point this out. There are seven I am statements. He already hit it, echoing me. That's the same name for God in the Old Testament. There's seven of them. Obviously in Hebrew, Hebrew language is all about. It's new, Alphanumeric, it's numbers are a big deal. Seven is a number of perfection. So I just wanna point this out. You have seven I am statements. He's Jesus very, very clearly gone man. I am the perfection of the character of the Godhead personified in human form. So you just zoom out and you got it right there. Now, let's just get real practical, and I don't care who starts. I mean, I wanna start. Actually, they've launched you start. Let's just get real practical. Cook his on the bottom shelf. Maybe each of us go, I've got a, I've got, you know, everybody's got their life. You're a go-to move. I've got my go-to move on. Here's how I help somebody. Move them from here to here towards Jesus. Let's kind of maybe go, what should you go to move? Or a practical tip. Dave, you wanna start us? Because you had something really, actually like, super interesting happen at Liberty. And that kind of actually encapsulates something. So you wanna do your little thing here? - Yeah, I mean, if you're asking me just the normal day to day strategy that I hold is a blood of the lamb, word of our testimony. I don't know if that's what you were asking about. But to me, that's the one to punch. I mean, you need to be, to do evangelism. You need lost people. You need the good news. And you need a way to present the good news. And so the blood of the lamb, word of our testimony. So like to me, it's to make sure that you tell your own life story. That it's not always about Bible stories of what happened to them, but like what happened to me? I can tell you that I know that this is, so share your story. And we all really have one story to tell. Jesus is the hero of all, we all meet at the foot of the same cross. And then make sure you get to the blood of the lamb. Make sure you share the good news of the gospel. And when it comes to gospel presentation to me, in a conversational sense with somebody, I'm typically trying to just bring him to the reality. The other day I was talking to someone and I was just, I'm literally sitting with them on a plane. So we're kind of side looking at each other. And I'm like, man, I start with like, you exist. I'm like, do you believe you exist? Like this is not a thought, you're not a emotional gas. You're like a human being and you exist. And he's like, yeah. And if he had said no, I'd pinch them or something. You know, like maybe not. And then the Iranian pinching people on a plane is probably different than you pinching someone. But like, but you know, like you exist, like you exist. And so like you start with like you exist. Like, okay, and then you have to convince people, like you exist in your center. Like no one has to teach you how to sin. You grew up in this world born a damac by nature. Like I like to take people to like, take a baby and those of you who are fathers know, like you don't have to teach your children how to lie. Like I don't care how sheltered they are. So like you exist. And you exist. The sin that you're committing is just the evidence of who you are. You exist born in this world of center. So get people to understand their depravity. That's good. That they exist and they exist unable to save themselves. They exist in need of a savior. So that you exist in your center. So however long that takes, it doesn't take a whole lot by the way to convince people that they're sinners. And you're not pointing at them in all their sins. You're pointing at yourself and saying, like we've all sined and fallen short. So you exist. And then you go and then like, then you take them like, and then God exists. That part sometimes people go, well, explain it. And so you're just like, man, even if they believe in creation, well, then you believe in a bang. OK, well, then what did the bang come from? It came from a nucleus. Well, where did the nucleus come from? It came from, you know, an atom and nucleus. Well, it's in the nucleus that, I don't know, no. It's in the numb. Like you break it down, break it down, break it down. Eventually, there have to be a cause or who caused all things to begin. So like, can you just, unless you know all things, which would then make you a God, then you have to presume at the very least that it's bigger than me that all of this was not circumstance. And so you exist and there has to be a God who exists. You exist the sinner, God exists the sinless. And because of that, we've got a problem. And the problem is God exists as perfect. You exist as imperfect. And that separates us from God. So now you've created the dilemma, which is actually the reality. It's an MRI of where we are. God's real, we're real, and we have a real problem. Boom, sin. Then you go, you can't go to church enough. You can't sing loud enough. You can't ride a tithe check big enough. You can't, to remove that barrier. And that's what most religions are. Most religions are, how do I climb? How do I remove or how do I work instead of worship? How do I try instead of trust? How do I, you know, earn instead of earn? In all these things that we said. So God exists, you exist, sin exists, sin separates us from God. And then you go, and then God so loves you that he sends one way. He sends his son. Every other religion in the world is man climbing up and trying to figure out how to remove the barrier on its own. God is actually the latter. God come down Emmanuel, God with us. He comes down. And Jesus comes and lives the perfect life and then dies a sinner's death on our behalf. And so I like to really simplify it. Like you can take someone who takes the word of God as valid to the Roman road. But that if they don't believe in the source that God's word is in there, then how far can you go with them if you're taking them to the Roman road and they don't believe in the road. You know. But to me, I like someone who's investigating Jesus to kind of come down to the reality of like your real, God is real, sin is real, it's a really big problem. And the Bible actually says, the problem isn't that you got to clean up, problems you're dead. And you need resurrection. And then I like to show them that's how God made one way, his son. And then that's when I began to explain the gospel. And so usually that's a fun conversation because you're breaking it down and you're actually asking them questions, you're giving them pieces of it one bite at a time. And so again, and then don't forget it's the blood of the lamb, which is the gospel that I'm just sharing there, but it's the word of your testimony. Then you testify to it in your own life. And so that's the formula I like to use. Some people use a bearded bracelet. Some people use a track that predictably opens up into a cross. All of those work. There is no wrong method. But the truth of the matter is you testify to it in your own life because no one can ever discount the fact that like, this is what God did in Carlos's life, in Paul's life, in my life. And then you bring in the gospel. You share about a Jesus who lived the perfect life. He who knew no sin that became sin so that you could become the righteousness of God. So that's the way I normally share the gospel with people. Well, hey, like when family baptism weekend here at Lake Point is coming up on May 2nd and 3rd. And if you're part of our church family here in any of our DFW physical locations and you have not yet taken that step of baptism, hey, we would love to invite you to do so. Text the word life to 2041 to sign up today. And by the way, if you're not within driving distance of any of our physical locations, we would love to encourage you to get plugged into a local Bible believing Jesus loving church and take that step of baptism with a local community as well. Also, you're welcome to join us for church online to celebrate those getting baptized here at Lake Point on May 2nd and 3rd as well. And now back to the podcast. David, how have you applied that framework to literally like some of the relationships you've had? Some people might know this, but you've had a lot of relationships, high profile, high influence, people like Donald Trump, Jordan Peterson, Bernie Sanders. How have you applied that framework to those relationships? Yeah, well, first of all, I didn't always do it right. And you're talking about my old job at Liberty University when I would host convocation. It was an interesting job because convocation, that word convocation means to convene. We'd bring people together. And convocation was a gathering of our student body at Liberty, but it wasn't chapel. If it's a chapel, it's always a pulpit. And we're always bringing in the Josh Howardons of the world, which we brought in by the way and our students love. But when Josh is there as a guest speaker for us, guest preacher for us, it's a pulpit because he's preaching. By the way, we're violently guarding who we put up in the pulpit, which is why I don't take lightly that you would trust me in yours today. Josh, you know, I don't know if God's pulpit, but you know what I mean? So that's a pulpit. And so that's different. But there were days when we're convened. and it was actually a platform, not a pulpit. And what we wanted to do was we wanted to bring in people that didn't share our faith, that we could actually learn from. I wanted to build the immune system of our students, spiritual immune system of our students, by platforming people we didn't agree with. Not just when it came to the matters of faith, but matters of politics, matters of life, matters of theology, of philosophy, sociology. I wanted to bring in people to let them learn from people that like, hey, he's got four points. I, adamantly disagree with one. Kind of don't know about the second, and agree with two. Great, that, you can learn from Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson, exactly like that. So when we brought in Dr. Peterson, it was an interesting moment. Like I remember, I really admired what he was doing. He had become a prominent voice at that moment. And his book was the best-selling book in the world. Like Michelle Obama's book was number one. His book was number two. And so that moment, like everyone was reading his book. It was a lot of our men were reading his book. And so we were here from our students, we were wondering. And so we had two things in mind. Number one, I thought he has things to say that we want to learn from. Number two, he doesn't share our faith. And I cannot wait for him to get the best of liberty. And the best of liberty was not the way we did hospitality or the way we took care of tiny little-- those things were fun. It was our students. We had lovely students. Like I couldn't wait for him to be. That guy was going to places where literally people were taking bricks, Paul, throwing him through this stained glass window at Harvard to try to silence him for speaking. So everywhere he was going, he was meeting hostility, hostility, hostility, hostility. And I was like, I can't wait for him to come and be around hospitality. So you were like leveraging those moments as evangelism for those guys. Bro, like big time. The week he was coming, our students knew whenever I pulled up a stool, like we're about to turn the camera off. So I remember like we get done with-- I don't want to know who the convo guest was that day. But like they go, hey, one more thing. And they'd see it. It was almost like Pavlov's like he's got the stool. He's having a heart to heart. And so I'd pull the stool. And they knew to turn the cameras off. And our students knew like, hey, 99% of you with me, you 99% hold the 1% accountable. Don't get your phones out on record. And I would say, hey, and I remember telling our students, we have Dr. Jordan Peterson coming next week. This man's either going to be the C.S. Lewis or the Nietzsche of origin. This guy's seeking-- he's a deep thinker. I just want you to know how we hold ourselves, our witness on this is going to be pivotal for us. And so just remember, we got company. And when mom and dad tell you, like you're just like-- And he's not asking you to be fake. They're just asking you to like, hey, they're valuable. So treat them with your best. Put your best forward. So then by the time, so then Dr. Peterson comes. By the way, he lets us know last second his mom's coming, which was awesome. Wow, that's amazing. So his mom don't want to ever come. So all of a sudden, we're not getting this high brow academic. We're getting who she calls Jordi. And he's saying big words at dinner. And she's like, Jordi, don't say three syllable words. It's awesome. Amazing. And he's just hanging out. He only has read me. So like, we're like, hey, if you want to come hang. So he had three meals with me. All three were only read me. Martin my life doesn't have a score anymore. Yeah. And so he comes-- Oh, yeah, this is him. Look, that's his mom. That's his mom. Look at that, don't want to come. Look at that. That's his precious mom. That's a stake. Come on, right? That's Tom Hock. That's Tom Hock. That's a stake. And they told us, by the way, his book in agent said, they said, hey, please don't put him in a weird position. Don't ask him to come eat with you, because he's on a strict diet and stuff. And I was like, of course. But we're sitting there and we're cutting up, you know? I'm picking him up, and as we're driving-- I mean, we're getting to our venue the night before. We're cutting up. And I can tell, like, he's not being polite. He's into the conversation. His mom is into the conversation. I think, honestly, his mom being there helped us get warmer quicker. And then she goes, I'm hungry or something like that. And I said, hey, I said, Dr. P. I know you're supposed to say no. I'm not even supposed to ask you. But I just want to tell you, I've got three fat dill monicos, like they're Yaba-Daba-Doo. He goes, what do you mean? I said, they're like Flintstones. They got that bones they can have. I said, they are from an organic place, organic farm. Like, no one's touched them. And so I know you like it clean, sir. I said, there's no salt on it. There's no pepper. You can do it. I said, if you want to come to the house, we'll just grill the steak and we won't go long. And-- Was it the house that I came up? Yeah. OK. And so I was like, but no pressure at all. Because I know you probably got your own food. And he was like, OK. So he came for an hour. He stayed for three and a half. That's right. And by the way, then most of it isn't philosophy. And we're just cutting up. And we're talking life. And he's asking me-- by the way, he's asking me, like, who are you? Because I'm weird. And I'm telling him my story. And we're sharing them. I'm telling them the gospel. And we're talking about other guests that have come. And he's talking about stuff. So-- This is like super effective. This is evangelism right here. Yeah. We're just hanging, by the way. Can I just brag on my team? I wasn't going to tell you this part. But I'm also stalling a little bit. Because we didn't know his mom was coming. But now we found out his mom's coming last second. So while he's at dinner, while he's at dinner, our team was so good at hospitality. Hospitality is love for the stranger. It's the best. I've spoken a lot of great places that have been amazing. Nobody's ever topped. What y'all did by when I came to Spokylyver. Yeah. And when you say, y'all, it's them, not me. I was just-- I was getting credit a lot of time for our team. This was them. They've-- good hospitality sometimes is borders on stocking. They're just Googling, like, Jordan Peterson's mother, da-da-da. They find out that she had said in an article, like, now that your son is like a millionaire. Because he's written a book that's 12 million people of purchase. And she had mentioned, maybe he'll buy me an Hermes scarf. We are-- listen, we're in Lynchburg. There's, like, two RVs and a TJ mask. There ain't no Hermes, you know? So while we're eating dinner and we're stalling, one per-- they have called someone in DC, who is driven to Tyson's corner, who is face timing and picking out a tie and a scarf from Hermes. That's incredible. They're buying it, OK? They're driving halfway down a Charlottesville while another one of my team is driving up halfway to Charlottesville. They're driving back. I'm getting taxed, like, 13 minutes away, 14 minutes away. By the time they ended up in their room, there's an Hermes scarf sitting-- Oh, no, man. And that-- I'm not talking about being bougie. I'm talking about being intentional. Yes, right. So the next morning, when he came up the elevator-- you know what he said to me? It's one of the greatest compliments, huh? You got him. Elevator door opens up. His mom's wearing her scarf. He's wearing the tie. And he goes, how did you know? I go, what do you mean? He goes, how did you know my mom? Like, see, the stuff that's on your contract, which you went on the stuff that's not on your contract. You went on like, your mom matters to you. She matters to us. That's good. And it wasn't about the expensive scarf. It was about the fact that we valued the opportunity to win the right to make him feel at home. And sometimes it's not a scarf. Sometimes it's actually the opposite. Like, spending a lot of money can make somebody feel distant. But this one was like, this was fun. And our team was nerding out on it. When she goes, how did you know? Honestly, the answer was, I didn't know our team knew. But they thought-- so then we're already warmed up in it. Well, we're sitting on stage. We're doing the Q&A. And I'm trying to talk to him about these things. But again, he's not a believer. He's using different kind of language than us. He calls the supernatural, the psychedelic, for example. The psychedelic, and I'm like, what do you mean? Are the things that are unexplained? So we're having this dialogue. And while we're having this talk, Josh, this young man with pink hair, a college-aged student-- This was on stage. He's on stage. People can Google it. It's at like 10 million hits, at the video. I'm listening to him in the Q&A. So I'm looking this way. Dr. Peterson's here, a couple other on our Q&A panel. And I'm looking-- and I see this man walking down the steps. And we have 12,000 people in the room. And he's got hot pink hair. And the next thing, this guy jumps on stage. I'm looking at it right now. And when he jumps on stage, I just go towards him. And I'm like, what just happened? And in my mind, I thought, he had something behind his hand. So I thought, is it a gun? What is it? So I thought, I get into a protect mode. Like, I've got to protect our students. And he jumps on stage, and he starts screaming, I need help. I need help, which freaks me out even more. Then I see that what he's got on in his hand is actually a phone. He's dialed 9-1-1 already. And it's, so I thought, does he have a bomb? Does he have-- just you're uncertain. He's freaking out. Well, so the next thing you realize, he's in this moment, this young man, his methodology is horrible. But he's actually honest enough. He's crying out for help. And he wasn't even a livery student. He had just come to the room because he loved Jordan Peterson. And he jumps on stage, and he's just crying out for help. Well, anyways, so then we get him off stage. I'm telling the security, you do not take the sky to the police station. Take it to the. hospital. Like this guy's not trying to harm people. And we get to that moment and everything. But when I was praying for him on stage, I looked to my left and Dr. Peterson got out of his seat. He was standing there and he was weeping. And so sometimes, I'm telling you that story to say, sometimes God will use a trial. God will use trauma to fast forward testimony. That's right. So my goal was we're going to get there. We're going to have a good conversation. We're going to inch forward. I hope that in years to come, I'll be able to have a relationship with him. And our students can talk to him about the Lord, but buddy, all that got incubated in a greenhouse called some guy just jumped on stage. Next thing, you know, like we are like, and then at lunch, we are having a gospel, literally on stage, we let's go to that young man off stage and everything. I sit down beside him and he wasn't in my Q&A's. And I said, Dr. Peterson, I need to ask you, what do I tell this young man? Like he, I don't think he needs any more rules. That's the name of his book. Nice. I think he needs the ruler. That's great, dude. And he wore salad through that. Even though he's amazing, I'm sure he made sense above my grade level and everything. But there's moments where like, you developing with somebody for three years, but then all of a sudden the doctor tells them the bump is back. They've got cancer and they're coming to you. You thought it'll take two years to get there. And they're like, uh, this is bigger than me. You're the only Christian I know. So what do I do? Like when I listen to your story, you know, we need a, we have, this guy's got a preach. We got a big idea. So a big idea there is like when I listen to that story, he left gone nobody treated me better than the Christians. Yeah. Yes. But bigger than that, I didn't have on my docket that we're going to have deep gospel conversations. I was going to naturally go at the pace of the relationship, but the relationship, you're forged by fire. All of a sudden we're like, oh, and then I'm like, well, I got the window now. I was, I was going to get a lane. Now I got a lane. So then lunch became about. Yeah. No, Jesus. That's amazing. So I'll do it. Like if I'm giving my, I've got to, here's my go to move and then we can run Rob and then if you want to do the Bernie thing, I'd love to. We can do that real fast. Uh, sir, my go to move is the same thing I did this week on the plane is, uh, is you go, it's, here's just to help people remember you go three questions, you go three questions deep to find out how you can pray for them. And then usually they're going to ask you something. So like I do the same thing every single time I did on playing this week with the guy named Scott next to me, uh, is, uh, we just start talking and it's, it's get three questions deep. We live in a culture where they stay service level. How you doing? Good. That's it. I, my, my goal is go three questions deep. How you doing? Good. Oh, man. Tell me what's going on that makes you say that. And then like, it's okay. So now I'm two questions deep. Well, man, I said good because like this guy this week, he was traveling, uh, traveling back from a ski trip. I think it was an Austria or something like that. So I got this thing going back with my son. I don't want to do details too much. Casey. I wasn't listening. Got the thing going with my son and I got, I got to give one of my son's good news. One of my son's bad news. Oh, man. Do you mind me asking? Now I'm three questions deep. Oh, dude, I can tell this matters to you. What's the bad news you got to give your son? Do you, do you mind me asking? And now all of a sudden he gets to something where his eyes start sweating. And when somebody gets to a motion, the reason God puts a motion in you is to put you in motion. So when he gets to the spot where now there's at least a little bit of a motion. Now I've got my window and I just always do the same thing. Hey, do this may sound weird. I'm a pastor. Do you mind if I pray for you? Or I'll just say, man, I'm going to be praying for that. And here is what what I don't always get to the spot where I'm explaining the gospel in that conversation. But what I'm trying to do is move them from maybe they're a negative six. I got them to a negative five. They're going to leave that gone. Man, that Christian was a thoughtful person. He cared about me and he's praying for me. That's great. And then this is a little cherry on top. I started doing this recently. Who did I get this from? I can't remember where I got it from. Oh, I got it from RT Kindle. I got this from RT Kindle. And he told me this and I added it to my little thing. So after I pray for them or I tell them I'm going to pray for them, I'll say something like this. I did this to the sky on the planet. I was like, Hey, man, I feel like sometimes I don't know why God does this with me. He'll put me in a place to talk to somebody at a pivotal time in their life. I've just seen this a lot. And I got this from RT Kindle. If anything happens in your life in the next few days that confirm for you something that I'm praying for or the work of God in your life, you need to know that the God of Jesus Christ did this for you and you need to take that as confirmation from it. That's amazing. And it's almost like you're planting this little this little time bomb. No, 100%. And then from there, I'm just trusting the sovereignty of God is going to do what he does. He does. God be like, Oh, I'm not going to do anything about that. He's for sure. We'll just get in there and do whatever answers. But what's so powerful there is all of what you just said is you're sitting down and you're actually like a high level mega church pastor. But you're not trying to be interesting. No, no, you're being interested. Yes. And so instead of trying to be impressive, you're trying to make an impression about you. Tell me about you. What's going on with you? You're curious curiosity. And it's amazing how people will quickly open up to you. Why open? Yeah. Yeah. You guys got to go to moves. I got a quick one. I mean, mine's very simple. I've learned more and more whenever I'm having one of those potential opportunities whenever I'm potentially going to share my faith with somebody. I just pray and I'll pray. I've learned that people are not products. And sometimes what I used to think, if I'm going to, if I have like my strategy one, twin three, I'm just going to figure out which one to apply. You know, sometimes people are in a different spa. I just don't know them. I had a mechanic come here and meet me at the parking lot like a month ago for my car. And I just had that sense man. I need to show the gospel with this guy. But and so I'm praying. I'm like, God, well, how? I just don't want to force it. I don't want to be awkward. I just just, if it works, it works. And again, just one prayer. God help me. I want to, I want to do this. And so literally see his, he has a cross tattoo immediately. Holy Spirit is like, that's it. Hey, bro, I like your tattoo. Thanks. Are you a Christian? No, I'm not. I just, I just like the cross. Oh, like, you know, I'll come to him more about that. Oh, well, we go. And back to what you said, Josh about confirming. You know, I'm asking him. I was like, oh, so, you know, I see having those conversations about his faith. And he said, man, that's funny that you're asking me this because literally I have not been to church in a long time. I'm in a church parking lot right now. My wife this week told me I need to consider coming back to church. And here you are asking me this conversation about this. And it's exactly what you just said. Yeah. So this John Wesley had this, he called, he called it the doctrine of pervenient grace, where John Wesley, I think he, he pulled it out of Acts 8 Ethiopian unit, where he said, Hey, man, what, what, what, what, what, four, multiply your evangelism is if you begin to believe pervenient grace means to go before. Yeah. And he was like, if you start believing that every person you talk to, God has been at work in their lives before that moment to prepare them for their encounter with you, your evangelism will radically change. Yeah. That what you just did. That's, that's pervenient grace. My job is not to it. Everything becomes a divine appointment. That's right. When you believe it that way. That's right. Yeah. And I learned this from you. My job is not necessarily to close the deal right there. My job is to do whatever I can to help you move in the right direction towards Jesus. Yep. So all you got to go to really is a real emotional and your same Trump assassin. It's a variation. And then that can lead to the connected dots. Something you say that was so great in terms of how you approach people. But I'll get there in a second, which is just learning to ask good questions. It's really what you said, in really an instance, what you did, which is just learning to ask good questions. Some of it can just be about their life. And so if you're building relationships with people, it's just if I'm at the ball field with someone and we're at the same place two or three times a week, it's me asking like, I can ask how's life going. That's very generic. That's like, hey, how's your family doing? And if they mentioned something and so then you get two or three layers deep to what you're talking about. But then at some point when you get to beliefs, especially around God and things like that, or even on things like politics, you don't want to ask either of these words with these words or with this tone, how could you believe that? That's going to shut it down real fast. Instead, you want to be more on quiz and say, oh, like, why do you believe that? And then keep asking them. There's a great book on this to Greg. I can never get his last name, not Calc or Cucoco K-O-U-K-L. A roadbook called Calptics. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. See, that's why I can't get it right. It's just like Silent K, apparently. Anyways, he would be wrong. His whole thing is basically is learning to ask good questions that you don't have to have all the answers. It's actually learning to ask good questions of them. And so it's like, yeah, like, why do you believe that? And then doing follow ups. And what you will learn is a lot of times, people don't even know why they have the perspective they have. It's just they've adopted it for whatever reason. So learning to ask good questions is one of my go-to's because that way, I'm not having to do the heavy lifting of trying to convince them of something. I might actually have believed them to convince them that they don't even believe what they say they believe kind of a thing. But it's connected up to what you said, David, what I love is you started with, hey, here is kind of my go-to for sharing the gospel and then using my testimony as well. But then to connect the dot, then when you shared about what you did, Jordan Peterson, and there's also you told me a story about Bernie Sanders, that's about the posture. That's about saying, I'm not coming in to try to win. So you can approach the conversations like these, like I'm coming in to try to win and convince you I'm right and you're wrong. Instead, what asking questions does when the approach that you did and I was the approach you did, you're trying to win them over. And that's best going to happen when you treat them with hospitality. And when you learn to ask good questions instead of trying to win an argument. And in asking those questions, the truth of this, like you actually have things to learn from them. There's something really powerful about the guy you sit by on the plane who's like a real-state guy or the guy who's the mechanic guy or the guy who's they actually have things to teach you. You actually when you ask questions and put them in the authority seat, like I'm the student, you got something to teach me. Because I genuinely don't know as much about this as you do, Dr. Peterson, or you do Senator, or you do, it opens the heart. Yeah, and actually puts this them in the place where a lot of times, we go to admissions and where the ones doing the serving. Sometimes you can do missions with the people that like you get the plumber to come, and he's, he doesn't know the Lord, but he's actually the expert plumber. - Yes. - So the first 10 questions are actually you asking him questions. Now how do we plumb this and how do we serve this? Question number 11 is, now do you know the Lord? But for 10 moments, he's been the authority. - That's right. - So then he doesn't feel like you know it all, 'cause you don't know it all. - Exactly. - There's something beautiful about like asking questions simply because they actually have better answers, which then opens it up for you to be able to ask gospel questions, because you might be the one who actually has the bigger arrow to point to this. - That's great. - The gospel, yeah. - Mr. Josh, you got a word on assassination. - Oh, okay, all right. Hard emotional narrative. - Hard enough, let's do this. So as the, yeah. First of all, this is, I'm gonna just say this, these guys have no idea what I'm gonna say. And especially this guy, I never want to put somebody in a position where they're on the hook for the dumb thing I'm gonna say. So, that's a quick preface. So as the recording is podcast, it was 16 hours ago or so. There was the fourth, fourth legitimate assassination attempt on President Trump's life. There's two things that I honestly do think that we need to take away from this. So, and one of them, doctors call it a difference between a presenting cause and a root disease. Presenting cause of a root disease. So let me hit this real quick. And then, and then we can, you guys can, whatever you want to disagree with me, let's do it. So, for those of you who don't know, go ahead and pull up that first pic, Trinity. So this last night, is it like, my phone started blowing up. This is the moment at the White House Correspondence Dinner that the shooter, dude, Caltech, grad, assembles a rifle in the lobby if I understand correctly, and just starts, there's video now where he just like bolts, like 40 yard dashes, you know, into the room, attempting to fire on people. Now, actually, about an hour before we started recording this, the manifesto that he wrote, assuming he was gonna die, came out and sure enough, obviously it was confirmed, he was aiming for administration officials. He said his goal was to start at the top and go down. So that he was gonna try to take out whoever, start with the president and go down. That's the fourth one on President Trump's life. Now, let me just point a couple things out. Richard Weaver, you guys probably heard of Richard Weaver before. Weaver, I think he's kind of a cookie to the bottom shelf philosopher kind of guy. People who use his little phrase that he coined ideas have consequences, that's Richard Weaver. What you have right here is, I think you have, you have a presenting issue and then a root cause. Kind of the same way that if somebody's got, they got bone cancer. They may actually go into the doctor because man, I got soreness over here, or this is a little rash and they think their rash is the issue, it's not the issue. That's the presenting cause. There's a root disease. I think you get both those things going on here. So first of all, let me talk presenting issue real fast. And then I want to talk root cause theologically. And then we can wrap it up. So first of all, again, let me just point this out. That is the fourth assassination attempts on that guy's life, fourth. I also want to point out some really uncomfortable realities. Trinity, will you pull out those graphs? There's an incredible amount of mounting evidence that is, for anybody that's got your eyes open, you can start to feel this, but it's like in data form. And by the way, all this stuff that I'm getting ready to show, these are not like Christians, these are not like conservative. This is not like newsmax data. Like this is just like, just generalized stuff. So number one, you got this. This came out I think last year. Very liberal people are eight times more likely to say political violence is justified than very conservative people. It's 25% to 3%. Okay, go to the next one. This dude, if you know who this is, his name is Destiny, he is a massive progressive influencer. He's got nearly a million YouTube subs. He's all over the place, does a lot of stuff. This is a direct quote, like this is an actual quote. You need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events. Right now, they don't feel like there's any fear. Now, this is not like a fringe voice. This is a dude with a million YouTube subs that is regularly interviewed by the New York Times. Okay, let me just let that sit. Go to the next one. This is one, you can kind of, if you just, it's hard to see. The question that was presented in this study was how much do you feel it is justified for people to use violence to pursue their political goals in this country? You know, it's kind of like correlation is not causation, but it looks pretty correlated. The farther you go left on the graph, you get extremely high affirmatives. And the farther you go right on the graph, you get extremely low. Now, I'm driving it something. I want to talk about why. Again, we're going to Richard Weaver. Ideas have consequences. And what's the theology this underneath ideology? This is what I think we got one more is. Yeah, yeah. This is political polls. Again, I'm not showing you newsmax, like fringe right data sets. Like this is, you know, if you're not familiar, I think most people would say that's like a center left outlet. 77% of Republicans believe it is always unacceptable to feel joy at the death of somebody they oppose. While only 38% of Democrats share this view. That's you, guff. So again, we're talking you, guff. This is not like a fringe thing. And the last one, and I don't want to get too incendiary here. But if you just zoom out in the last six, eight years of our nation, on the left is what happened in our nation after the death of Charlie Kirk. On the right is what happened in our nation after the death of what became a high profile somebody that was coded left. Okay. So you just start to see, I think people who are paying attention to going, hey, dude, what's going on, man? It seems like there's a really different response in these two things. Now what I want to point out here, oh, actually, and then show this video, this is Hassan Piker. Now, before I show this, Hassan Piker again, Matt, like very, you know, honestly mainstream, popular progressive commentator. In fact, this is an interview with a New York Times, I think in the last seven days. So this is not, again, not French. This is New York Times the last seven days. It's a 60 second clip. Listen closely to the language. I'm going to tie some things together. Listen closely to the language he uses. What he's doing right here is he's getting asked, you guys remember that the insurance company CEO got assassinated in-- Yeah, dude was like a, yeah, United Healthcare CEO. Got shot in the back. This is like a dad with two young kids. And they asked him about what he thought about that. So this is a mainstream dude with the New York Times giving his response to the assassination, again, political violence. And watch what he says, 60 second clip, Hassan Piker. Engels wrote about the concept of social murder. Pause. OK, so let me just verbally highlight this. So he's introducing a concept-- I'm not talking about Marxism here in a second. He's introducing a concept called social murder. What he's saying-- I don't have time to-- what he's saying is, hey, man, yeah, somebody was shot in the back. But honestly, that guy actually committed murder because of the systemic nature of what's happening in our society. Really, the way that he used the way that our economy set up, he committed a form of what's called social murder. That's kind of-- it's embedded into the systems. It's actually murderous. That's what he's saying. So let's keep going, Hassan Piker. And Brian Thompson, as the United Health Care CEO, was engaging in a tremendous amount of social murder. The systematized forms of violence-- There it is. --the structural violence of poverty, the for-profit pay-walled system of health care in this country. And the consequences of that are a tremendous amounts of pain, tremendous amounts of violence, tremendous amounts of deaths. And that was a fascinating story for me, because America's very draconian about-- Don't apologize, but there's very black and white on the ground. It's a justification. And yet, you see a justification rationale. Pervasive pain that the private health care system had created for the average American, I saw so many people immediately understand why this death had taken place. OK, now, just pause and let that sink in. This is not a fringe. This is not fringe. That is a Hassan Piker mainstream progressive commentator on what is arguably the largest progressive platform in America than New York Times. And he's going, hey, man, social murder-- actually, I kind of understood. I kind of understood. It's a rationale and justification now. Hey, Josh, can I interrupt you? Yeah. O.P. team is freaking out. Are you OK if I-- [LAUGHTER] You know, you're still breathing so much pain. I was actually kind of hoping this would happen. This is pain. I don't want to rush you, because I know there's a lot so bad. It's good. They said 210. Well, I know, but then there's like a little bit of a mic up and all of a sudden-- Oh, I love your mesh. We love your mesh. Love you. Lord, use it today. Appreciate it. A big way, buddy. Love you, man. You're amazing. It's amazing. All right, it's good. Crush it, crush it, crush it. Love you, Carl. All right, then last one. So then you go out. There's amazing. Then last night, outside of the correspondence dinner, as people were walking out of the assassination attempts, those were the signs people were holding up. Death to tyrants, death to all of them. Now, what people need to understand, let's go back to Richard Weaver ideas, have consequences. So listen, man, it's a little uncomfortable to talk about, especially in the past world that I come from. The thing that you're never supposed to do is violate the neither right nor left. That's like an unspoken doctrine that you're not supposed to violate. But honestly, you simply-- have to start noticing reality. Reality is undefeated. What you're starting to notice, what I would say, is that political violence is in some measure is a feature not above of secular progressivism. If you take secular progressive ideals, the foundational tenets of secular progressivism all the way out to the natural consequences, you are going to end up with political violence. The reason I say that is, progress secular progressivism in particular, it's built on top of a critical theory lens that is various forms of critical theory. They all come together, queer theory and anti-racist, all the things. A critical theory, it views the world through an oppressed oppressor lens. Everything is viewed through an oppressed oppressor lens. What you have right now at war in our society, there's ideas underneath. People call it the culture war. The culture war is downstream of the spiritual war. It's not one to one, but there's correlation. So critical theory sees the world through an oppressed oppressor lens. Christian theology, on the other hand, it sees the world through a right versus wrong lens. What's right? What's wrong? Okay. Now, the reason, let's lead to why that data shows what it does. The reason you start seeing political violence take place like that is if I view the world through a right versus wrong lens, and I see that you think something different, I mean, I just think you're wrong. And so I want a reason with you and try to persuade you. But if I view the world through an oppressed oppressor lens, and I think the people who disagree with me, they're not just wrong, they're actually evil oppressors. That, by the way, is where you get rhetoric like he's literally Hitler. He's a fascist. By the way, that was what was on the bullet casings in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Hey fascist, catch. This is Marxist language. Okay. He is an existential threat to democracy. Literally everything and everyone is racist. Okay. Well, what that's downstream from is viewing the world through an oppressed oppressor lens. And here's a deal. If you disagree with me, and I don't just think you're wrong, I believe you're an evil oppressor, I'm not going to try to persuade you. I begin to feel a moral obligation to stop you. And if you won't stop yourself, then I need someone or something needs to end you. Yes. You lie to yourself and tell yourself, I'm actually a hero. That's it. That's it. Exactly. Someone's got to take one for the team. Yeah. And I'm willing to to stop Hitler. That's it. This modern day Hitler. And the father of lies. That's it. You're so good at lies. That's it. Convinces you that this is actually a, this is actually you doing the most noble thing. That's right. That's right. That's right. Call good evil evil. Yeah. By taking the life of Charlie Kirk. By taking the trying to walk into a correspondence dinner and just letting bullets fly. That's it. And then on top of that, it's so it's not just progressivism. Remember, it's secular progressivism. So as Christians, there's a moral guard rail. If you have a, if you have a world view this built on top of Christian theology, there's moral guard rails built into our views of opposition. Hey, man, man, you're not allowed to live by the sword. That's Jesus. You shall not murder. That's so there's these in, obviously in secular progressivism. If there is no moral law giver. Well, now I don't, I don't have any moral law. This restraining me taking life. And the ends justify the means and justify the means. It's just, it's sheer Nietzsche and willpower. Yeah. Yeah. So one thing again, that's not the root cause. That's the presenting issue with Christians need to learn to think better at a world view level. Amen. When you see that stuff, what you're seeing is a clash of world views. You're seeing critical theory and it's not, it's logical outcomes, the logical implications of the tenants of the world view versus Christian theology. Now that, that's presenting cause. If you want to go root cause, I do think I just want to keep saying the same thing over and over and over again. Hey, listen, we have a lot of politically aware Christians who listen to live free. And mankind was broken long before any political system was ever put in place. There is one thing and one thing only that can fix what is wrong with mankind. You need Jesus Christ. Okay. So let me just, I'll just put a bow on this and I love your y'all thoughts where we may just shut her down because Carlos is going to start preaching. Okay. So if you're a Christian, you're looking at like what's gone on in the world. I think what you got to learn to do is, hey, man, let's apply our theology to like what I'm seeing. Bible is lens. One of my favorite passages is a sermon of the mount, Matthew 5, when most people think it's just about lust. Jesus does the, hey, man, if your hand calls you to sin, cut it off, I calls you to sing, gouge it out. And that is, in my opinion, that is the single most misunderstood part of the entire sermon of the mount. So Jesus looks at the dude and he's gone. How many get a lust issue? Now, remember, he begins that little section by saying, if you look less at a woman, you have committed adultery with her in your art. So he names a body part. This is really important. He names a body part. Then he starts going, hey, man, if you're struggling with his lust issue, you need to try to cut off the body part that, uh, this caused this issue. You know, if your hand calls you to sin, cut it off. If your eye calls you to sin, gouge it out. And a lot of people think that, hey, man, what he's doing there is he's going, hey, man, if there's a sin issue in your life, be willing to commit a radical amputation of something in your life to prevent yourself from that sin. And that, that may be true. Theology is serving on the mount. The entire sermon on the mount is, hey, man, the root of every single problem you got is a, is a heart problem. So here's what, here's what Jesus is doing. And you start, I'm going to apply it to this. Jesus is going, hey, man, I want you to imagine this is a guy that really just throws a lust. And every time you lust, he tries to cut off the part of him that makes him sin. So he, he looks at something lustfully, maybe pornography, whatever, and he gouges out his eye. And then the next day he walks down to the city square and he, he realizes he can still purchase a prostitute and he can sin, he can lust with his hands and he's on the cut off my hands. And the next day he walks somewhere and he just, he, let's say he listens to something that incites lust. He's on the cut off my ear. And maybe the next day, you know, he walks somewhere just to feel something. He's like, man, I can still walk to places that that enable me to lust. I'm going to cut off my feet. And you started imagining this guy who keeps chopping off body parts, trying desperately to cut off the part of him that causes him to lust. And he goes, no matter what I cut off, I still can sin. And Jesus is saying, in order for you to get rid of this issue in your life, you're going to have to cut out your heart. And Jesus is saying, and I can do that for you. Yeah. And if you go back to Ezekiel 36, it's a prophecy about what the coming Messiah will do when he establishes the new covenant. And he says, a new heart I will give you. Come on. A new spirit I will put within you. It's the core, not the branches. I will remove. It's the root. Right. Not the fruit. Yeah. I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And so man, again, presenting issue, man, do we need obviously to be engaged in political processes? Do we need to see things? Of course we do. Of course we do. But listen, I just want to make you a promise. You need to disabuse yourself of the notion that there is a political solution to what is wrong with this nation. Because what's wrong with the nation is that there's something wrong in the human soul. And without repentance and reformation that lead to revival and a return to Jesus Christ, Christ is the only way out of the chaos. Okay. Any final thoughts, agree, disagree, additional comments? I'd like to actually connect it to a thought. Last night's assassination attempt. The other three assassination attempts on President Trump. Charlie Kirk's assassination. I view them as a sanctity of life issue. It is not it's the anti pro Charlie Kirk's life. It's the anti pro Donald Trump's life. It's the it's and so when you show me a stat that says 38% of the progressives see this as a viable option, I'm actually surprised that it's only 38% when you go back to the unborn, the sheer amount of people that they're willing to click and drag out of their life for convenience. So it is, it is someone who says, well, I've got my whole life ahead of me. This I've got a baby in the womb. I'm just going to get rid of this baby because I've got a life to live. How do I remove a human being so that I can so that who's in the path of what I want? So if 90% 80, I don't know that stat, but if the majority, the overwhelming majority of progressives don't really hold the sanctity of life with the most vulnerable who is the child in the womb, then why are we surprised that they would hold no sanctity of life for someone that they don't agree with? If you're killing innocent child, you definitely kill a guilty adult. That's kind of that biological implications. And so the root of that is that they don't see another person made in the image of God. They don't see a human being as a human being. And maybe it's because when they look in the mirror, they don't see themselves that way. And so it's like, does that person truly hate Charlie Kirk? They truly hate themselves? At the end of the day, what is the ultimate root of that? And we can get really outragedy about this really quickly. And I think a lot of people are prone to just get super outragedy about this when all they think about it through is the lens of politics. But if you look through it, through the lens of Scripture, you can have outrage at what happened last night, but eventually it's gotta turn into outreach. - Ah, that was so good. - Who could've stepped in California? Like, I heard that this young man is in California. - That's right, yeah. - This weekend I'm gonna be in California. I wonder, what part in California, and was he near Sandals church? Was he near Andy's church at Saddleback? - Mariner's church. - Was he near, yeah, was he near Mariner's church? Like, was there a church nearby that could have loved and could have stepped in downstream into the life of this individual? So that if they knew the Lord, they had community, they wouldn't see the taking of a life as a, in the lie in their mind that this is a solution. - That's great, dude. - And so I think it's not just sanctity of life as in the assassination, the person attempting the assassination doesn't see that. I'm also thinking about the sanctity of the life of the assassinator. Like, how do we value that person and go upstream and say, how do we love them? That's seeing Muslims, not as the enemy, but the prize. That's seeing Hitler killed six million Jewish people. Talk about, last night was an attempted assassination that failed. Talk about a person who six million Jewish people were killed, innocent people because of Hitler. But I hear the stories that Hitler's father was a watchmaker, and that some Jewish gentleman, hired him to make a walk, to fix a clock. And when he fixed it, the Jewish gentleman didn't pay him for it, and they spent a winter. When Hitler was a young man, he spent a winter with his feet cold, his nose cold, his house cold, they had only cabbage, they were hungry. So when you're going to bed every night hungry and your father's screaming, we're hungry tonight, we're freezing tonight because the Jewish people didn't pay us well, those seeds of sanctity, you know, someone, so then what if Hitler had had a community of believers? What if I always think through, like, could there have been someone in the life of these individuals who end up being the harmers when somebody could have been their church community? This guy in California, how far is he from a local church who needs to look at that and go? This guy was walking distance to us. Can we at least, it's not somebody's fault because they live, but could we at least ask that question as well? That's a good spot to land. Yeah. Chaggy Balti, which closes in prayer, sir. Yeah. God has passed her, Josh, just said a few moments ago, ideas have consequences. And we just want to recognize right now that your word says that every human is made in your image. Every single person, including the people we disagree with, including people like the people we saw in those videos who have ideas that are completely opposite the ones that we believe your word says, but God, they're made in your image just as much as we are. And so God, I pray that you would help us to now put that view out there. That Lord in this world, competing views, you would help us to be Christians, be salt and light that we would be people who see everybody as made in your image and that we would be people who move from outraged to outreach. That we would want to bring to them a message that there is a God who made the universe and who made them in there in his image, that even though they've sinned against him and it's cosmic treason, God loves them so much that He sent His only son to die for them. So God, would you help us to flood the streets with that competing message, Lord? And God, I do pray that it would transform individual hearts and minds, but the God, because of that, it would transform our whole nation, including our political system and our entire world. Give us a heart to reach to one more for you. In your name we pray. Amen. - Amen. - David Nasser, thank you for joining us. - Love you guys, so much. - So long, man. - What a relief for nation. We just finished this episode with David Nasser today. Thank you so much for joining us. Hey, this Thursday, May 30th at midnight, we're dropping a bonus episode with special guest, Tim Barton. And we're gonna be hitting American history, how America's founding an early education system were far more explicitly Christian than most people think. What this separation of church and state actually mean and how slavery has been revised over time and more, trust me, you don't wanna miss it. It's an amazing conversation between Pastor Josh and Tim Barton, we will see you there. (upbeat music)