The Cornell Jane Doe Hoax and Media Cover-Up, and Kelly Clarkson Goes to War Over Mechanical Bird, with Emily Jashinsky | Ep. 1416

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Columbus Day, or as you may call it, indigenous people. No, no one listening to this show calls it that. We have so much goodness to get to today, including Democratic Senate candidate James Tallarico casually reappearing on the campaign trail, going to some concerts 13 days after his previous in-person event in the state of Texas. It just kind of took two weeks off as we go into the last stretch of this campaign. That's all. This is not a big deal. Still says it was just the flu, even though while he was under immense scrutiny for being out without any word of where he was with the alleged flu, they couldn't even manage like a photo of him. It's all very bizarre, but we'll tell you what we're learning because there is yet another new twist. Plus, the sex podcast lady is now speaking out about the Cornell 8, the Cornell 8 case. Some people don't like it. They're going to have to get used to it. Sorry. What's good for the goose? She too has been accused of taking advantage of someone who, unlike her, was physically helpless for at least a portion of her alleged, alleged sex acts with him. She, the sex podcaster who wants you to give it to her anally on the first date, now says she is Jane Doe. She's Jane Doe. Okay. More like Jane Ho. And Kelly Clarkson is feuding with a Brooklyn store over a $15,000 mechanical bird. I know, but it's everywhere and we have to discuss it. Who better to do that with than Emily Jashinsky? She's host of After Party on the MK Media Podcast Network. You can go to afterpartyemily.com to subscribe. And she also hosts our MK wrap-up show on Sirius XM channel 111 right after we air live from 12 to 2 Eastern. When six season hits, keeping my family protected is always a top priority. 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That's beekeepersnaturals.com slash Megan, or enter code Megan at checkout to get your discount. Beekeepers Naturals products are also available at Target, Whole Foods, Walmart, Amazon, CVS, and Walgreens. For more information, visit beekeepersnaturals.com slash Megan. I mean, honestly, if you could think of someone out there who was more responsible than Alex Cooper, the sex podcast lady, for corrupting the minds of young women into thinking, as Jane Doe did here, that giving it up to four guys in one night was empowerment, I'd give you $1,000 on the spot. There's no other person. Alex Cooper's business is to tell young women to spread their legs for anyone who wants it upon demand, and that they'll feel super empowered as TDs be damned. That's basically her message. She is raunchy and absolutely classless. And now, instead of at least having the decency to keep her disgusting mouth shut over this case, she's decided to put some absurd person on, who apparently teaches at Cornell, and is an expert in misogyny, and in the hympathy we feel when we see rapes, that we as a sexist society feel hympathy instead of sympathy for her. Can you imagine ever booking such an absurd person and putting her on to talk about how backward our society is because of these evil me-tours roaming college campuses and fraternities nationwide? The sex podcaster wants fraternities shut down. Alex, that's where you can go for your anal on demand. I don't know what your problem is. You should love fraternities if you think they're so disgusting and raunchy at every turn. I don't know. She went to Boston University. Maybe that's a comment on her university. I think most of us did not have that experience at university where we had nothing but fraternities that wanted to rape women. That wasn't a thing in my college experience. But the- The gaslighting around this whole case continues as some now are starting to quietly retreat because they've lost. After we had, I was, you know, our gang bang in the messages Jane Doe put out there, and our bodies, our choice, you've got a different sect that's now quietly backing out of the story altogether because they know, the whole thing is a hoax. This is a made-up claim. This woman wasn't gang raped. She was promiscuous and made some bad decisions. And I feel sorry for her because she's a cutter and has some emotional issues quite clearly. But that should not result in four to seven young men going to jail for two decades. Okay, so lots of places we can take it to kick it off. But let's, we're starting on Cornell. Your thoughts, Em? This is so much, and there's so many new developments to get to as well. I mean, the Alex Cooper podcast is a remarkable artifact of fourth-wave feminism because her entire shtick is telling women that they can have sex like men. And this is two parts, one, that you can do it, and two, that it will be empowering to you. So, yes, physically, can you do it? Two, is it going to be empowering to you? In the vast, vast majority of cases, no. And that is part of why women are often traumatized, as Jane Doe very clearly was, by the sexual experience that she was told by the same people who told Alex Cooper this lie that she now promotes everywhere, that it will make you feel empowered, that you should be able to do it, and it will make you feel empowered. And in the vast majority of cases, women can't do that. It is a chemical, biological fact. It's about oxytocin levels that are released after sex. Basically, this is not disputed science whatsoever. But Cooper, as you mentioned, Megan, and I think, I like Sexy Podcastly, we should just abbreviate it to SPL. She's the one, the SPL is over here, telling everybody, that it's going to be great, that you should do this, and you will feel just fine. You will feel even more like a woman, perhaps. And there's a really sad BuzzFeed article, I think it's back from 2019, with a rape victim talking to BuzzFeed, and she has the most chilling and depressing quote ever. She says, "HBO did a number on me." And it was an article about how Gen Z women were rejecting "sex positivity," because they felt like they were told that sex positivity would be empowering to them. And then as they practiced what was being preached to them, and in some cases preached by them, they found that it was painful. So, this entire episode of Call Her Daddy was the biggest display in lacking self-awareness that I have seen in years, to be honest, because they say, and you probably heard this in the episode, the expert Kate Mann says, "We should be able to talk about risk factors." And she does that to only point the finger at the existence of fraternities, rather than saying, "We should talk about risk factors for women, as well." And lastly, Megan, Alex Cooper opens it by saying, "We're a decade since #MeToo. It's been a decade since #MeToo, and we're still here." Again, a lack of self-awareness, because part of the reason we're still here is that #MeToo started on something that was really legitimately about cases where women were shamed out of and intimidated out of reporting awful, sometimes violent, rapes that had happened to them. And then it ballooned into the Aziz Ansari bad date case, and that did hurt the credibility of women who have horrible, violent experiences. So it's actually the very reason that we're still here. I mean, the whole thing, again, it's just an artifact of fourth wave feminism. It's incredible, and there's no self-awareness to go around. Honestly, I don't want to hear any lectures from Alex Cooper about the #MeToo movement. Where were you? You were 22 years old at the time. You were creating a platform, desperate to create a platform for yourself. What did you say? You said nothing. Like, it's ridiculous. There are so many people out there, wannabe celebrities, who want to take credit for the #MeToo movement. Wasn't, like, Alyssa Milano, she was out there saying, oh, she coined the phrase #MeToo, right? But she never fucking came forward with anything. She was never brave enough to stand up and tell a story. I Remember, Rose McGowan threw her under the bus because she wanted all this glory for having, like, coined a phrase. Where were you? Rose McGowan actually gave her name on Harvey and took a risk. She did nothing. Alex Cooper, you did nothing. Oh, you're so exasperated about where the Me Too movement. What did you do? Did you stand up against anybody? Did you come out publicly? Okay, now you want us to know you went to BU and something happened to you. Okay, great. You've done nothing other than endanger other young women. That's how you've spent your career. You are endangering vulnerable young women. My young woman would never listen to her. My young woman, who I'm raising in my home, knows a slut with zero values when she sees one. But she's endangering other young girls who think this is female empowerment. And she doesn't care. Let me just give you a sound bite from Alex Cooper's show from 2018. Okay? Listen to this. Sot 16. Compared to a five and a six. If you are a five or a six, get your squats in today, bitch. Get on top and ride that thing like you've never done before. You are getting slammed into the wall. You are saying horrible, disgusting, filthy things to get this guy off. You're going in overdrive over time, putting out all the stops, saying fucking porn star shit. Absolutely. Come on the face and make it fucking rain, baby. I'm just putting it out there. I'm being honest. Or if you're a nine or a ten, a guy knows he's got to roll out the red fucking carpet. He's got to be ready because he knows you're not just going to spread your legs and be like, here we go, baby. Let's do the damn thing. But also on that same note, if you're a nine or a ten, you feel, and I think a lot of times you do, just lay there, leg spread, starfish, have fun. Dead fish in the sea. Put it in me, baby. That's Alex Cooper. There isn't. There isn't a classy bone in that woman's body. She's encouraging women who she thinks rate as a five or a six on the looks scale. You could hear their her advice for them. This is this is today's modern feminist empathetic. What happened? Why are women being treated this way with this idiot professor at Cornell, both of whom are playing along like they care about what happens to young women on college campuses? What? These two women want them to do is spread the legs and give it up to anybody. And if they rate is a five or a six on the looks scare scale to let some dude shoot it all over their face. Gratefully. That's Alex Cooper. That's her brand. That's how she became a multimillionaire. So she can shut the fuck up when it comes to advising young women dealing with issues on college campuses that she helped create, that she is helping to create. To this day, with being enabled by the so-called celebrities who go on that podcast and pretend she's a normal messenger instead of a devil, a devil in a blonde wig trying to get young women in trouble. That's the house call her daddy is built on exactly what everybody just heard. There are so many more clips that you could play that are just like that one. And what's so sad, it just hurts your heart to listen to that, because the reason Alex Cooper is making fun of these fives and sixes, whatever, who are so eager versus the. Nines and tens who are less eager to please the man is that the fives in the sixes are the ones that really want to be liked by the man. And that just hurts your heart to hear, because that is exactly why her advice about sex is bad and wrong. It's because women do sometimes see sex as a way to feel affirmed by men, women who feel like they are not going to, they're going to have a hard time getting married and finding the right person. We'll use sex as a way because they think it means that the man really wants to be intimate with them, especially young women whose brains aren't fully formed and are. Are not quite adult women. I mean, they're adults, but they're not quite again, their brains aren't fully formed. And so it's easy to kind of rationalize it. If if we have sex, then, of course, we have this level of intimacy. It means he wants me. And that advice from Alex Cooper is so internally incoherent for that exact reason. And it is so, so profoundly sad over that interview. They say multiple times if a woman is raped, 100 percent of the fault is with the rapist and zero percent is with the person who is raped. We can all agree with that. Everyone agrees with that. What nobody has consensus. On is whether someone who to the police in a sworn statement described something that showed consent every step of the way was actually raped. That is what the disagreement is on and what they're trying to do and what they're trying to convince other women. People disagree with them on is that they're acting like people are actually supportive of rapists. No, people don't agree that this is a proper legal definition of rape that should justify people losing 20 years of their life to prison, losing their entire reputation. All of that. That's what the disagreement is on. And they're, I think, honestly, too ignorant to even understand or wrap their heads around that. There is only one relevant legal question in this case now. She's not alleging anybody held her down and had sex with her against her will. She's alleging that because she consumed so many drugs and so much alcohol, she was incapacitated. Well, the standard is physical helplessness. That is the only way that this could have been transformed into a rape. Literally. This is not Megyn Kelly. This is not Megyn Kelly's opinion. This is the legal reality. It's a good legal reality. Even Sonny Hostin and I agree on this. She has to prove a D.A. would have to prove that Jane Doe was physically helpless, that the intoxication had crossed her over to a place where she was physically helpless. The case law interpreting that legal standard has said that means unconscious. OK, go look it up. I'm sick of having to educate these absolute know nothing female warriors. It means you are unconscious. That's what physical helplessness is. Jane Doe does not even allege that. Jane Doe's testimonial to the police in the six pages gives you an intimate play by play of the entire seven hours where she made decisions. Yes to this. No to that. Yes to this. No to that. This guy came in. This guy left. I opened the door. I texted a friend. I got up. I moved here. I did the whole night, the whole night, refusing acts all the way up to the wee hours of the morning when she claims she was eight out of 10. The intoxicated effect we know because she remembers it while she was awake and conscious and dealing with these men. I'm sorry she doesn't have it. OK, I'm sorry she doesn't have it. It's a legal matter. I don't give a shit about people's feelings. I really don't. I don't care about their emotions. I couldn't care fucking less. I'm a lawyer. I think about this from a legal perspective, trying to lock people up for decades. The standard is physical helplessness. Look it up. That's why Kathy Hochul and others now want to change the law because the law is not on her side. It's not on the side of. Any woman who voluntarily gets blottoed and then wants to have a Sunday morning regret about whether she should have given it up. Sorry, you've placed yourself in a very precarious position. But instead of saying any of that, what we have is empathy. Here's the this ridiculous Kate man on the sex podcaster show in SOT 12. So empathy is my word for the scenarios where we have sympathy and loyalty for a male. Perpetrator of misogyny over a female victim. So basically we feel bad for him who did the thing that is awful over someone who is the victim of that harmful behavior. So I've spent so much of my academic career trying to understand misogyny as not hatred in boys hearts, but rather as a social system that punishes and enforces patriarchal norms and expectations by. By. Visiting women with so much shit, so much hostility, so much hatred when we don't stay in our lane. But the flip side of misogyny is just as women get punished, men get rewarded. So whenever you have these social systems where you have punishment and blame and holding women responsible for their behavior, even when they're really doing nothing wrong, you're going to have this flip side, which is rewarding and lionizing and even selfish. So I've spent so much of my academic career trying to understand misogyny over a male victim. For engaging in this punitive and misogynistic behavior. No one is doing that. Two men got expelled. The others who had an actual sexual interlude with her got suspended for years. In some cases, this is an absurdity. They are pretending as though this were. What was the name of that Jodie Foster movie? Was it the accused back in the day where they literally. Held her up against a ping pong, a pinball machine and forcibly raped her character in this very disturbing movie. That is not even arguably what happened here. They are talking about her like she was grabbed from the street, held down and forcibly raped as opposed to our bodies, our choices. We're all just consenting adults here. People are calling me a slut. Unfortunately, it's true. I love you, John. I love you, Matt. And I really enjoyed my time with both of you as if none of that happened, which if you watch the sex podcaster show is what you would believe. We watched the whole thing. She did not tell the audience any of the mitigating facts. I was just going to say that she does not describe any of what we know happened from that room, even the unredacted title. I'm sorry, the redacted Title nine papers that have come out. You can see that there are things called undisputed facts in the Title nine report. And you can see there. a lot of things that the investigators all agreed on, including, by the way, that sworn statement that was agreed to, as you've pointed out, by Jane Doe herself, by Jane Doe herself. She marked it up. It went from like 120 pages to six. And they make a big deal in this episode of Call Her Daddy of the fact that they left out the claim from her that she could say with 100% confidence that she was raped. And they're like, oh, this is a conspiracy because the Cornell University Police Department wants to protect Cornell University. First of all, I don't dispute that that's somewhat of a problem in the setup when you have these police departments attached to the universities. But secondly, they did it with her agreement because what she went on to describe was consent every step of the way and not because of a quote unquote loophole, but because we have to have legal standards where people are intoxicated and having sex and then not able to turn around and say that there was rape involved. That is exactly why that law exists. As you just outlined, other states that have closed the quote unquote voluntary intoxication loophole still have laws that are just like New York's where you have to be physically helpless. So even if they closed the loophole, even if they closed the loophole, they wouldn't be able to say much in this case because again, she agrees in that sworn statement, what she describes is consent every step of the way, every step of the way. And they don't talk about that at all on this episode of Call Her Daddy. So you would have zero idea what the actual facts of the case are. Zero. If this was your source of information on it. Absolutely not. Because I mean, let's face it, this woman is an idiot. She made her money off of talking to her dad. She made her money off of talking dirty on her show to ultimately millions. That's, I mean, she's basically like some sort of dressed up prostitute. She talks dirty to you for money. That's really what she does for a living. She decides to go R-rated, X-rated, and she's all but like, you know, jerking off the audience while she talks about disgusting sex acts. And this has made her millions of dollars. You do you, you know, that's great. Good for you. Your leftist cult will call you a sex worker in order to dress up what looks to me like a sex worker. And that's what she does. To me, like you're being a paid whore. You're a whore. That's how you've just chosen to make your money. But how dare you take the high ground when it comes to the position that young women on college campuses are in. You have endangered them all. And not just, not just the college age ones. Listen to this, this prostitute. That's what she is, in my opinion. Alex Cooper talking to who she believes is her 11 year old listener. Okay. It's a viewer warning. This is disturbing. SOT 18. Listen here. I just talked to you about the Gluck Gluck, and I want all of you to research it, even if, uh, well, we actually kind of just found out that an 11 year old listens to our podcast. So I want to give you a shout out because baby girl, please don't do anything we're talking about. I know you're, you're just getting ready. You're preparing for the race that's going to come in 20 years. Once you're 18, listen, we're like 17 year olds don't listen. And then we just found out an 11 year old listens. So I love you. And you're honestly the shit, but just, you know, like abstain a little bit longer. You're getting ready. And I'm sorry, this is disturbing, but this is what she had just said on the show when she said, okay, baby doll, you're just getting ready, getting ready for this. SOT 17. The motherfucking Gluck Gluck 3000 slash 9,000. The Gluck Gluck 3000, 9,000 is every man's kryptonite. I will give you the little definition of this Gluck Gluck. It is a vacuum seal, double hand twist, gawk, gawk combo. Oh my God. I'm sorry. I swear I'm not degrading women. I'm just giving you guys tips here because I swear it works. Okay. In 24 hours post blow job, you will know if you are a 9,000 performer or if you're a 3,000 performer and ladies, I'll let you research a little bit. And if you guys want to write in and let me know if you want me to actually go into more detail, you can let me know. But I know my dad listens. So hi dad, whatever. If you are not sucking your man's dick, that's fine. 100% your decision. I respect it. I understand it. However, if you are not somebody else's. It's disgusting to me that we have any place for this person in polite society or in actual conversations about life and love and sex. That's America. There are some disgusting people who want to listen to that filthy mouth talk like that in front of 11 year olds. Fucking A. It's disgusting, but they'll have to deal with that in their Sunday pew. I hope eventually they'll get there. But that woman is now turning around as the avenger of women, Emily, and talking to Mr. Ms. Empathy as though those two are going to get to the bottom of how this happened. Here's a little hint. It's all the fault of the evil men and boys. You heard the woman demonize boys too. It's the boys. It infuriates me as the mother of two sons and an empowered daughter who would never listen to that show nor allow herself to be in that situation. How dare she try to rope my boys and other women's boys into her perverse world as disgusting, perverted rapists when she, the sex podcaster, has been training. Women and girls from the age of 11, how to do the glug glug as soon as they get to college campuses like Cornell. She is one of these raunchy women that is always going to exist that is not average. She is actually on the fringe and an outlier. But because our society wants to take the fringe and bring it into the mainstream, she has been really celebrated. So much so that the presidential candidate in 2024, her big move to win over podcast audiences was to go on Call Her Daddy. By the way, Hillary Clinton back in 2016 went on Broad City. I love Broad City. Should Hillary Clinton have gone on Broad City? Obviously not. It was stupid, completely stupid. But it's because it's part of this effort to normalize this weird behavior from people like Alex Cooper, who are not the average woman, but because she handles sex differently than most women do, or at least she's convinced herself she can handle sex differently than most women do. Because it kind of conforms to the feminist narrative about what's empowering to women. She has been absolutely lionized, normalized, and mainstreamed. And this does not belong in the mainstream because it is really dangerous for women. Megan, I think your point here is really well taken, that this is something that should be marginalized. She should be enormously stigmatized. If she wants to do her thing, fine, do it on the fringes. It's your freedom. You can do it in the United States. But this should be stigmatized as dangerous because it does put women in situations, that they are going to hate when it's over. Like that woman, a rape victim who spoke to BuzzFeed, who said, HBO really did a number on me. Ten years from now, there are going to be women who say, call her daddy, really did a number on me. Because they ended up in sexual situations that caused them trauma and pain. Now she's got tens of millions of dollars, and Jane Doe doesn't. Jane Doe doesn't. She's trying to get it. She's trying to get it from Cornell and Tridel and these guys now. But the point is, she's not going to be around. She's not going to be able to help you when you make it. Like Jane Doe made. And then you wind up feeling disgusting about yourself. This woman will have no time for you. You will not be discussed, the average woman on her podcast. The only reason she came up now is because the story has been dominating the media. And she must feel some responsibility because she's set this sickness upon God knows how many young women heading off to college who think this is what it means to be sexy, to be empowered. Whereas most of us know true empowerment and true sex appeal means you do exactly the opposite of what Alex Cooper advises. You keep your legs together. You have dignity. You fall in love. And then you have a meaningful sexual relationship, which is totally fine to do the sex acts that appeal to you in the midst of, but you don't run around generally bragging about it on sex podcasts, outing the and Y and Z because those are intimate acts that actually as a Christian, that's not something you would ever consider sharing outside the sanctity of your marriage. And because you realize some things are private and you have some modicum of class inside of you that you realize there is a world of privacy and sex and sexual relations is right on top of that. That's exactly where privacy belongs between you and the man you love. Even carrying a baby hasn't softened. Her hasn't cleaned up that filthy mouth. She is a disgusting pig. That's what I have to say about this person. I'll play one more. This is her trying to claim, you know, she's the champion of women on her show with this ridiculous person from Cornell in top 14. When we talk about the trauma of a woman, I think it makes sense to so many women when we hear like, of course, you don't wake up the next morning and you say, this is what happened. And this is what I need to do. There is something in your body that is trying to not only survive what you just physically went through mentally, also what you're going through, but emotionally being on a campus where the humiliation and you know what could come with it. Like there's so much that we will never be able to understand what this woman slowly started to unpack the day after the three days later, the week after of starting to put together truly as her brain and her body became a little bit more lucid to her reality. It makes me emotional thinking about her. She doesn't know anything. This person is too stupid to have a microphone in front of her. She has no idea that Jane Doe gave facts. She gave facts. That's what damned her. It actually wasn't all the emails of her saying, I'm a slut and I love you, my rapist, and I'm eager to return to Chi Phi. That actually wasn't it. The DA didn't even necessarily look at any of that. Not that we know of. He certainly didn't cite any of it in his memo explaining his non-charging decision. It was her sworn under penalties of perjury, you fucking idiots, under penalties of perjury. She swore to the play-by-play of what happened when she was alleging rape. When she had switched to, it was a rape. That version of her sat down and under penalties of perjury, swore out the TikTok of the entire evening, which is what sank her case. I can't stand that. Stupid people, Emily Jaschinski. I really can't. I have so little tolerance for absolute morons and they're everywhere. It's one of my great frustrations in life. I genuinely hope the next time I come back, it's as somebody who's a complete idiot. I really do. I think my life will be happier. I'll be less angry. Ari Emanuel wants us to embrace our rage. I'm not sure. I guess I'm there. The fact that she is that dumb, and has that much influence, is genuinely dangerous. What she says is legitimately, genuinely, physically, literally dangerous for women. Absolutely no question is. And if it's fair game to talk about whether or not it's prudential for women to go into frat houses, which Alex Cooper's expert Cornell guest said that's fair game to talk about, then it's fair game also to suggest to women they're not going to be able to have sex like men, despite what Alex Cooper tells you. And there's a critical piece of the timeline that you see in that sworn statement to the police. And they're now saying, "Oh, she wasn't. There's no evidence. She talked to a trauma-involved, or a trauma-trained investigator." That's what they talked about on this episode of Call Her Die, all of that. But she's there. She talks to them for hours and hours and hours. She agrees to this six-page sworn statement, truncating it from about, I think it was 120 pages, and she marks it up and then signs off on the final version. What is so important about it is that happened after, after, according to Alex Cooper, she had, dealt with and coped with all of this by fawning over the men. This is what the guest Kate Mann says is a typical thing that victims sometimes do, is they fawn over the man. And by the way, I don't disagree with that. They're trying to convince themselves that maybe something was, was totally consensual, that they were empowered. I'm sure psychologically that does happen to some women who are real victims of actual sexual assault and rape. But after all of that, let's take their own argument at face value, after all of that, she then, after all of these text messages, after she flips when she's disinvited from the Halloween party, she then goes to the police. And even still, what she describes is consensual the entire time. That's the problem. It's the disconnect between what she was told by her friends to believe was rape and what she was describing in a sworn statement to police. And there's nothing you can do about that evidence, which was given after she herself flipped. It's there. It's a sworn statement to the police and you don't get to lock people up. Yeah. I don't know with 100% certainty what happened in that room. I don't know that we're not still missing facts, but you don't get to lock people up when that is the evidence. You don't get to smear people as rapists in court, in the legal system, and in the media when that is the evidence that exists. It's just, I mean, the extrapolating this to demonize young men in America is what's driving me insane. I mean, it's truly what's making me so angry. I don't really give a shit about what happened in that room. Between the Cornell eight, but I do care about it being used as a narrative to further demonize young American boys. It's disgusting. It's a filthy, disgusting, immoral thing to do. Okay. Because these young men in that room may not have been at the peak of their morality. Nobody would argue the opposite. However, however, what the evidence has shown us is that the woman they were with was saying, things like, we're all consenting adults here, that she was the aggressor, even on the last two men with whom she had sex. Both of them testified in these proceedings that she was the initiator, that Winston Lee, who was the last one to have sex with her, said, hey, we don't have to do this at all. He wasn't expecting sex with this woman. And she said, hey, we're all consenting adults here and wanted him to get on top of her, which then he did. To paint all of these young men as though they are the guys in the movie, the accused, is so wrong. And then you get the think pieces about how this is what young men are. We need to abolish all fraternities. This is an endemic problem with over a one-third rape rate at Cornell and other colleges. Putting young men in the position of now they have to walk around being viewed as active predators, just looking for their next rape victim, when the reality is 99% of them would have wanted nothing to do with Jane Doe. Nothing. 99% of men don't seek after some slut who gives it up so easily by her own admission. They certainly don't want a woman who prides herself on her bodybuilding. She looks more butch than your average man. I'm just telling you the truth because no one will talk about what Jane Doe actually looks like, who Jane Doe actually is. Suffice it to say, we're not looking at a Kaya Gerber. Again, I'm not trying to be physically insulting of the woman. I'm trying to be straight. I guarantee you this woman did not have an easy time attracting men. And now suddenly she's in the midst of this Cornell fraternity house, and man after man is expressing interest in her, and she's been led to believe that's a substitute for actual attention, affection, even possible love, in the case of the first two who she says she loves, by people like Alex Cooper. That's how we got here, in my opinion. Well, Alex Cooper is telling young men that this is what young women want, and that this is what empowers young women. Alex, Cooper is telling men that. Those clips go viral on TikTok. That's what young men are seeing that young women want. So, of course, for some of these young men who acted disgustingly, they thought, oh, okay, this is perfectly normal. This should be normal. As Jane Doe herself said, people are going to have to get used to this stuff because it's becoming more normal. You could take that right from an episode of Call Her Daddy. You could take it right from an episode of Call Her Daddy. And the last thing I wanted to say, Megan, is just that people don't understand if you are needlessly doing this, where there is not evidence, not sufficient evidence. If you're needlessly doing this, what you are going to do is send a chunk of young men further into resentment politics and further into disillusionment and further into feeling like the system is stacked and rigged against them, because sometimes it is. And that, if you are mad about the politics of resentful young men, you are making the problem 10 times worse, 10 times worse, by needlessly stoking sex divisions in cases like this. And honestly, who do they have standing up for that right now? Because you've got AOC, you've got Kathy Hochul out there, Letitia James throwing them under the bus. Where are the male politicians standing up for them? Because this has become a political football right before the midterms. Honestly, where are they? Because what I see is some people in the podcast land and some people on X and like two people on Fox who are standing up for, you don't have to stand up for the morality of what these men did, but you can stand up for the legality of it, given Jane Doe's and they're not getting that. What they're getting is a swarm of Democrat politicians and pundits throwing them under the bus, ignoring Jane Doe's sworn statement, and then taking their pens out to demonize men writ large, because that's all the rage in Democrat politics. It's one of the reasons why many of us refuse to call ourselves feminists and have for decades because it means in their weird leftist world, you have to hate men. The knee jerk instinct, even when you are clearly at fault as a woman, is to blame the men for all your problems. And that was on full display in this disgusting, pathetic excuse for a podcast over the weekend with this Cornell guest. All right, now, the media has been enabling, sniveling, and as disgusting as ever. And on Friday, Em, you remember this, I said when those new text messages came out via TMZ, showing that there was more to the exchange in which she said, nothing illegal. At the end of the day, nothing illegal happened with the sex. The sex, there was nothing illegal about the sex. She said that, and TMZ broke the news that that text message went on to show her calling it, her, the victim, calling it our gangbang, and then going on to say, our bodies, our choice. And I said, I find this very problematic that the New York Times, which clearly had these messages, only published part of the messages and clearly had this second part and did not publish it. And it was also CBS New York. And I said on the air, I want to know why. Why? Were they not given the full text message or was it an editorial decision to not tell the world that they had seen in the text messages the alleged victim here referred to her own gang rape as a gangbang and said, our bodies, our choice. And you tweeted it out, that's how I learned it later Friday, that the Federalist actually went to CBS New York, and found the answer. They sure did. They asked CBS New York for comment, asked the New York Times for comment. Did it get comment back? from the New York Times, which is quite interesting. But CBS New York said that that was an intentional editorial decision. They did include in their initial report her saying none of the sex stuff was illegal, which is an important line. And if they had left that out, it would be enormously egregious. But to leave out her then affirming, doubling down, saying our body, our choice, wrapping this in feminist language, intentionally wrapping this in feminist language, and referring to what she is now calling a gang rape, a gang bang in a somewhat jocular tone, to leave all of that out is leaving serious context on the table. They're standing by that decision. They're defending that decision. And Megan, I think it makes a point that you've been making, or it underscores a point you've been making, which is that some of these media outlets are clearly getting selective leaks from Jane Doe's legal team, and they're being coached and shaped. The stories are being actually strategically shaped by the legal team. And allowing themselves. Exactly. Yep. Which is disgusting. That is such a dereliction of duty. How pathetic are you, CBS New York? And you too, New York Times. How pathetic are you? You're allowing yourselves to be manipulated by Jane Doe's lawyer so he can set up his fake rape case against these young men. This is a hoax. This did not happen. There was no rape, period. There wasn't. She's given it up. I don't have to believe one word from the young men. I believe Jane Doe. Jane Doe, I believe you. Hashtag believe all women. I do. I believe every word you gave to the DA and to the Cornell police officer. And it proves you weren't physically helpless, which means you weren't raped under New York law. But the New York Times, because we reached out to them too, and we have a relationship with the Times, as much criticism as we do of the Times, we have a line to them. And we also submitted a request to them to clarify, did you have the full text message on Friday? And then we reached out again over the weekend, and they blew us off. They are not responding. Which means they did. That's what that means. If they didn't, I believe fully they would have told me. They would have said we didn't have it. The fact that they are not giving us an answer tells me that they did. They saw it, and they must have had another reason, i.e. keeping the plaintiff's lawyer happy. This guy's on a money grab. He's no avenger of women. He's got his palm out. He wants one third of the judgment he thinks he can squeeze out of Cornell, which is scared shitless right now, not to mention tri-dealt. And a couple of these boys have money. One's got some rich dad or granddad in South Korea, and one's from Dubai, et cetera. So this guy's got his hand out, and what CBS New York said gives it up, because this is what they wrote when the Federalist reached out to them. They said, okay, yes, our reporter reviewed the full text exchange before publishing, and our editorial decisions reflected that review. When pressed to answer why key portions like Doe's Our Body, Our Choice comment had been left out, quote, her attorney's explanation, and gave our audience the context necessary to understand why some of those messages may be disputed. And their post, when they had broken that news at CBS New York, pointed out that her lawyer, Jifra, said Doe was in denial and traumatized shortly after the alleged assaults. She was intoxicated to the point of incapacity that night, and was trying to find out what happened. He said Doe felt like she would not take an aggressive tone with this defendant if she wanted answers. Okay, that's utter bullshit. She eventually got to that place when they disinvited her from the Halloween party. Then she started setting them up in her little surreptitious phone calls. But at this point, she wasn't setting them up. That's a lie, Jifra, like everything you've said on TV. This guy is an ambulance-chasing plaintiff's lawyer. That's what he is. He just wants a cut of the check he thinks he can get her from Cornell. And there is no way that you, if this is, if Jane Doe was acting in those initial texts, she's a very bad actress. She took it way too far, because she certainly didn't need to act back at the Tridout house when she told her big sister she was a slut, and it was true what people were saying about her. Why did she need to take the text exchanges with the young men so far as to say, I love you, and our bodies are choice, and nothing that we did was illegal? That's a really weird way of coaxing out of them, oh, it was illegal, and I raped you. This is such an obvious lie. And the fact that CBS New York and obviously the New York Times have been complicit explains the absurd protests that we're seeing on campuses like New York, the amount of idiocy we're getting out of the feminist left that's now trying to lecture anyone speaking up for truth, reality, and the law. And both these media outlets, among others, have been totally complicit in fostering it. And clearly, if CBS New York believes that, they're in way over their head on reporting these things, because that is actually an argument for them not even including what they included, which is none of the sex stuff was illegal, right? If that's what CBS New York believes is a reason to exclude evidence that's harmful to Jane Doe because she was traumatized, then they should, yeah, take it all out. Take it all out. But it's not an actual argument for keeping that stuff out. And you and I know, because we've been covering this a long time, like, campus, it was called, quote, unquote, rape culture panic of, like, 2012, when Obama's first dear colleague letter came down until 2017, when the Trump administration walked that back. That was when I was in college. And I was working for Christina Hoff Summers at the time. So I was covering this stuff really closely. When I was a little college journalist, I was covering these stories closely. Megan, you were doing this in prime time on Fox News for years. Like, when you cover these stories, you know how they unfold. So CBS New York should Google Sabrina Rubin-Eardley. You were talking to Taibbi, who worked at Rolling Stone at the time, about this on Friday. Google that. Google Crystal Mangum. Google Emma Salkowitz, who's back out talking once again. Mattress Girl. Mattress Girl is being trotted back out to talk about this. Like, it is mind-blowing because we have seen this playbook. What is the name of that journalist? What's her name? Tara Palmieri, unbelievably, is trying to resurrect this hoax like it's real. I didn't realize that she was the one who broke Mattress Girl's story, or so she claims. This woman at Columbia University walked around. She accused her boyfriend, with whom she'd been voluntarily having sex, but she claims one interlude went too far, and he allegedly raped her from behind, the anal sex. And the university, Columbia University, not exactly known for its, you know, Southern Baptist conservative roots, investigated the claim. This is during the Obama era. Yep. And found nothing happened. They did not believe her story. And then she reported it to the NYPD. Same comment as before. This is not exactly true. This is not exactly going to the Houston PD department and expecting some conservative bias to possibly be at play on the part of the cops. This is NYPD. They took her, they too said, no, there's no case here. Just stop. Okay. This woman has been resurrected by Tara Palmieri as like somebody who was the original Jane Doe, whose opinion we might want. This woman has been deemed not credible in her rape accusations by, Columbia University and NYPD. And once again, this so-called journalist trots her out as an example of somebody we should be listening to on allegations and whether or not to believe them. This is absurd. Here is how some of their conversation went when she re-upped her on her podcast, SOT19. I actually have a sense of peacefulness and perspective about what happened in 2012, right? So what you did to that young man? I think that there's a reason you let your wine breathe after you open the bottle, right? Because you actually can't taste it. The moment you open a bottle of wine, you're supposed to let it breathe. That's the same thing with what's happening today. And there's a frantic, so there's this frantic energy of like, let's figure this all out right now. And in reality, like Jane Doe is probably going to feel like she's, I don't know if she's going to like change her opinions, but like, she's going to be a different person in 12 years. Like, or 14 years or however long it's been like, so will all seven of these men. She actually went on this rant about how feelings should really dictate what actually happened. Like, I don't understand this probing of consent. If she feels like she didn't consent, then she didn't consent. She did acknowledge that that would make a very difficult legal standard. Like, it's just an evolving thing. You know, I felt like I consented on day one through year four and then in year five, I realized it wasn't. So now I want charges brought. Like this is, this is an absurdity. What's next? Want to trot out Jussie Smollett to discuss whether the latest racism accusation has any merit? Like why doesn't she book Crystal Mangum to talk to us about how people, women need to be believed? This is ridiculous. Why would you resurrect an obvious rape hoaxer to come out and speak on this at all? And it was not done in a way to exonerate the young men or to remind people that women do lie. We have seen from Crystal Mangum from the UVA case, and it's so easy not to jump to conclusions in these cases. Like that is what drives me most crazy. It is. It's so easy not to weigh in. If you're a journalist or if you're somebody that cares about not smearing folks in public, when you don't have all of the evidence, it's so easy to not conclusively say X, Y, or Z. That's what got UVA into trouble. And that's why Sabrina Rubin early got in huge legal jeopardy after that UVA story. It's so easy not to do this. And yet, people cannot resist jumping in on the side of the "Jane Doe" or the side of the woman, even if women are mostly telling the truth about these stories, even if that's true. You're a journalist. You're a journalist. Your job isn't to say that something definitively happened or didn't because we know that's not always the case. Obviously, it's not always the case. So it's just not a journalistic act whatsoever to side with one person over another when you don't know what happened in that room, and especially when there's lots of evidence in different directions. Well, here's my problem, though. As a lawyer, you can easily look at this case and say there is no chargeable rape. That's what Sonny Hostin did on day one because she was a sex crimes prosecutor in New York. And it's what I was able to do, too, as somebody who's familiar with the law and how to read it. Physical helplessness is the standard. It doesn't take that much. That's the standard. If anybody would do their fucking homework, they would see that and realize this woman's statement completely undermines it. The left is very, very upset with those of us who will not analyze this through emotion, but through our legal brains. And the only thing I can say is. Suck it. We'll be right back. 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Are you looking for something in particular? No. Well, yeah. Something conservative. Yes. You got my stuff. Thank you. How much is this? I don't think this would fit you. Well, I didn't ask if it would fit. I asked how much it was. How much is this, Marie? It's very expensive. It's very expensive. Well, I got money to spend in here. I don't think we have anything for you. You're obviously in the wrong place. Please leave. And then Julia Roberts dressed as a prostitute. She walks out of the store, and we all know what happens next in the movie Pretty Woman. Well, that exact thing just happened to Kelly Clarkson. Or did it? Okay. Welcome back to the MK Show. Emily Jashinsky is our guest. She's the host of After Party, which you can find every Monday and Wednesday on YouTube and on all podcast platforms. E.J., here is what—this is the best story. If there's another story that beats this this week, I'm going to eat my hat. There's no way there will be. Kelly Clarkson, for some reason, decided to step on a rake this weekend. And she goes Saturday afternoon at 3.09 p.m. I've got to give you this precise TikTok, as though we're investigating a crime. I'm already losing it. On X, where she doesn't post that often, apparently, and alleges she was treated just like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman at a store in Brooklyn, New York, called Art of Play. Now, just FYI, the Brooklyn, New York store describes itself on its website as a place to discover magic. Located at the start of Atlantic Avenue near Brooklyn Bridge Park, our unique collection of magical home goods, puzzles, games, toys, and books has been called one of the most beautiful shops in New York City. And our intimate 26-seat theater hosts performances from the best close-up magicians in the world. Sounds cute. So Kelly Clarkson posts the following on X Saturday. Just drove all the way to Brooklyn to check out this store I thought looked really rad. And had a few things in mind to buy. And literally was looked at as if I couldn't afford it. And was told he could find something comparable for me. Wow, dude, you're an idiot and just lost a huge sale. But y'all should go check out Art of Play in Brooklyn if you enjoy being treated like Julia Roberts' character in Pretty Woman. For sure, check it out. Because Kelly Clarkson. Kelly Clarkson was having one of these movements. This is the part of the movie that Kelly was having with that tweet. It's not 24. Oh, she's back. Looking like a million bucks in her fancy wear. Hi. Hello. Do you remember me? No, I'm sorry. I was in here yesterday. You wouldn't wait on me? Oh. You work on commission, right? Uh, yes. Big mistake. Big. Huge. I have to go shopping now. Yeah, Kelly. She slammed the ball in the end zone saying, I'm rich. That's really what she was trying to say. I'm fucking Kelly Clarkson. I am rich. And you dumbasses turned me away like I couldn't afford your, as it turns out, $15,000 animatron bird. That's the best part. It's like if you picture Pretty Woman, but she's trying to. I'm trying to buy an animatronic bird on the wall. Here is the bird. Crack team went and found video of the bird. Can we see it? That's a picture. Let's see the actual moving bird that she found so alluring. Do we have it? Oh. I'll do it one more time. Oh, my God. So for the listening audience, there's something that looks like a music video. There's a music box on the wall. It's like the size of like a telephone. And he cranks the crank. And then about four or five feet above the little box is a little bird, an animatronic bird. You know, just looks like a real bird, but isn't one. And when he cranks it, it makes the little bird tweet. Okay, so that's the whole thing. Oh, no, we've got close-ups. We've got close-ups of the twirling. I love my team. Here's what happened next. Art of Play responded on Instagram saying as follows, writing as follows. Yesterday, Kelly Clarkson visited us in Brooklyn and inquired about buying Molly, a one-of-a-kind singing and dancing bird automaton who plays an important role in the magic shows we host here. Molly is permanently attached to the wall and is not for sale. However, the negative experience Kelly described, on Twitter, would resonate with anyone who has ever felt judged in a shop. At Art of Play, whether someone comes in to make a purchase or simply look around for a while, they are equally welcome. We greet everyone who walks in the door with the invitation to, quote, pick things up and play, end quote, and they do. Many stay for hours enjoying our puzzles, games, and toys. Imagine our surprise when our small local business was suddenly attacked by 8 million people who have never visited our store. It's been a surreal experience to be there. It's been a surreal experience to be the focus of such widespread outrage after just one mention by a celebrity. Thanks to all our friends for their support and welcome to all the curious folks who have discovered us amidst the drama. We're going to keep our heads down and hopefully we can clear things up with Kelly someday. As a talented popular singer once said, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. So we'll get to how Kelly responded and then Art of Play responded again. But here's what's happened. It's actually, a very interesting phenomenon because Kelly Clarkson is not particularly controversial. It's not like she's been a strong political voice, et cetera. She's been openly supporting Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and says she's a Democrat, but she's not like in your face with it, though she was raised a Republican in Texas. She's since abandoned all that. And the internet felt very strongly about her behavior. And I agree. I have to say, she used her hefty weight as a celebrity influencer to remind us all that she's a very, very rich multimillionaire and that this $15,000 bird on the wall was nothing to her and did not give any thought to the consequences of possibly ruining a much less powerful, less well-off, small shop in Brooklyn with this tweet and decided to complain Marie Antoinette style about the fact that they wouldn't bow down and immediately give her for $15,000 a stupid electronic bird on the wall. And the internet is angry at her for behaving this way. Emily, the memes are like the greatest thing I've seen in a long time. I have been laughing out loud at what I've seen here. Let me see. Oh, hold on a second. I'll pull them up. But I. been literally busting a gut not literally but almost busting a gut as the internet says like um she's basically she burst into my apartment and demanded i give her a load-bearing wall so good or or steve uh other comments yeah steve producer steve one of the ones he sent me was kelly clarkson it was like a woman holding a gun from a movie and the caption was kelly clarkson at target trying to buy one of the red spheres outside of the store that's like attached to the concrete uh you know first of all if i had kelly clarkson's money this is exactly the kind of dumb shit that i would be spending it on like a bird attached to the wall i'd be like yeah bird uh but it's musical exactly exactly and it's also part of what's so funny is this is out of character for kelly clarkson it's like the one time she loses it in public is over an animatronic bird that's attached to a wall in a brooklyn magic shop also it conjures uh as you probably remember the real housewives of new york city early episodes where they are forced to go to alex and simon's townhouse in brooklyn and you have like ramona just utterly horrified that she has been asked to travel to brooklyn so you have kelly clarkson also saying i drove all the way to brooklyn all the way to brooklyn god forbid god forbid brooklyn brooklyn but there's a i think maybe a serious element to this which is that kelly clarkson has class anxiety that a lot of people who make it big in america do and that's one of the most amazing things about america is that we have this like amazing amazing amazing amazing amazing amazing amazing amazing amazing american dream mentality which american idol back in his early days was so excellent about resonating with the public over which is that you could be the small town girl for texas i think her dad was a pediatrician she's not like right right but i mean she she went on to like just complete superstardom and is really one of at least for a while was one of the most famous people in the country after she won the first season and it was amazing like you can become a major singer celebrity because you get cast on a reality show like there's something really cool about it but i think she's probably clearly has this class anxiety that people don't take her seriously enough i mean she's a little twang and that she's been in these spaces probably especially when she was younger and she had an accent she was a southern girl and people in new york and la may not have treated her as seriously as she wanted to be treated so i feel like maybe that's what came out here if we are to ascribe a serious motivation it's so bad i agree that's that may be what drove some piece of it but i actually think there's something else going on here which is what i think people are reacting to and it's like this sense of entitlement where like she expected to be treated a certain way and she wasn't treated that way so she went and lit a fire under the small shop owner who disrespected miss clarkson that's really what she what she did here and i i resent that and i think a lot of people resent that because whether you are rich or poor famous or not you been treated disrespectfully in a store yes we have all been there hello i lived in new york for 17 years if they speak to you it's like an honor even in brooklyn even in brooklyn even in brooklyn like people are rude and they don't always treat you like a huge international celebrity kelly sometimes they're having a bad day sometimes they're like they're sick of dealing with the like the bird's not for sale it's glued to the wall like they don't they don't care how big your wallet is they're like it's not for sale and she is used to being treated like something special that's what this telegraphs to me and unlike the rest of us who get treated like nothing special all the time it's not a daily occurrence for her so she's angry she gets she has a sense that she is entitled to be treated well all the time everyone listening to me has been treated like shit more times than they can count whether it's somebody flipping you the bird on the road and they don't care who you are or you're in a store they don't think you're special you could be the best dressed in the restaurant you get a shitty table no one cares the rest the waiter's room whatever and a normal person i just think all of us are like okay and you move on you don't like you wouldn't dream of like going out there ripping them a new one and taking umbrage at the fact that you were not treated with the dignity that you feel you you deserve it was just a very weird place for her to go in response to a small slight in the store and it was about money at a time when people are really suffering she actually wanted us to feel sorry for her that she that they didn't think she could afford the fifteen thousand dollar toy bird well and okay so first of all i have to say tucker gave you an amazing compliment over the weekend by saying you're one of the best summarizers of news stories in the business which he put into words something i've definitely felt for a long time that is exactly accurate and you've just proven that megan because this is a difficult the layers to the story are impossible to keep track of and now i think we're all understanding what happened which is that there was probably some type of miscommunication like she didn't want to hear it though because she felt as though they were looking down on her and after that it was gone so there was no like rational behavior from kelly clarkson after she felt slighted which if you're a person who's a celebrity and you feel like you have been slighted by a small business do not blast them on social media until you have personally gotten to the bottom of what happened because the little people could get absolutely crushed by your decision and by the way it can boomerang back on you too especially in a time megan where as you just pointed out there are real class resentments brewing like real class resentments brewing brewing gas is over four dollars a gallon like you might be stepping on a rake over a fucking bird which is the best part of the story but seriously like she we've seen this with other celebrities who have made accusations that they were treated uh in a racist way by stores or something like that and it always almost always turns out that there is a miscommunication which i think is what's happening here and uh to take to social media immediately is so stupid and unnecessary and the owner of the store the guy who says he's the owner he's the silent partner he claims is out there saying she just ruined my has absolutely devastated my business like the amount of hate that they now have incoming their way over what they say was her misunderstanding about this bird so now clarkson doesn't like the fact that they that they respond oh here we go there's more okay oh there's two two more chapters i mean i am all over bird this is what we need you um yes it is important this is how we my team and i spend our weekends um we actually do have a lot of exchanges over this bird um so she posts the they suck then they post the thing saying what doesn't kill you makes you stronger molly's not for sale sorry she didn't understand that then she gets back online because she now she's starting to get it and writes cool cool sure it wasn't for sale that's the narrative art of play is going to go with thumbs up so the whole conversation we had when i asked you if it was for sale whilst pointing to the price tag hanging on the wall with the title singing bird didn't happen as you elevator eyed me saying in a condescending tone quote yes it's for sale but it costs fifteen thousand dollars so if you'd like me to find something comparable for you i can end quote that all never happened and now it's not for sale okay cool so you're not only rude you're a liar you're also a liar got it check mark and by the way i obviously support small businesses because i was literally at a small business trying to purchase things i love small businesses and know they are important and i always support them but you don't get a free pass to treat people less than in your store just because you are a small business it's not that hard to be kind i never blast people but you my friend were an exception your store is really cool unfortunately you aren't defensive i'm just gonna say that okay so now she's hearing it right like this is way too defensive she kelly clarkson needs an intervention by some pr person who our friend aria manual needs to call her and tell her to step away and she's like i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that my dear put down the phone it's time for a visit to the therapist not to x to work out some of these issues that you seem to be suffering from then art of play responds on instagram early this morning and here is what they posted we'd like to clarify some additional details about kelly clarkson's visit to our curiosity curiosity shop on saturday this is like this is this is amazing this is like the most interesting investigation uh during the five minutes she spent in the store they're like letting her have it she was here for five but passive aggressively inquired about right exactly like with the quote from the lyrics she inquired about our mechanical bird puppet named molly we explained that while molly is permanently attached to the wall and serves as a de facto mascot for our shop a nearly identical automaton is owned by the creator of the machines a brilliant artist named bliss kolb who lives in seattle and he's the creator of the machines and he's the creator of the machines and he's the creator of the machines and he's the creator of the machines and he's the creator of the machines he told us he would be willing to part with molly's twin for fifteen thousand dollars we explained all of this to kelly clarkson we also offered to show her a different singing bird automaton made by a traditional clock making shop in germany that she could have taken home with her that day it costs about two thousand dollars she did not stick around long enough to see it we've reached out to kelly directly to try and clear the air we really do wish her the best we hope that someday we can all laugh about this misunderstanding and we hope that she will be able to come back And then the store pinned to the top of its Instagram page, a September 5th post featuring a picture of Molly with the caption, our favorite items, not for sale. They're proving that Molly's not for sale, that Molly's never for sale. And that to the extent Kelly Clarkson saw a price tag on the wall referencing $15,000, it was not for this bird. It was for a different bird that lives in Seattle that they could help arrange for her. Or if she wanted instant gratification, she could get the lesser version of Molly for just two grand and walk away. But Kelly was too busy in a huff. That's me swishing the scarf over the shoulder. That's how I picture it. Walking out of the Brooklyn store saying, you'll regret this and getting on X to do her nasty post. I really think this is a story about celebrity culture and how like, I'm sorry, even the nice ones. And I think Kelly Clarkson probably. Is or was wind up believing there, you know, what doesn't stink. And they do walk into establishments expecting to be treated like they're special. And what she calls less than I guarantee you is what the rest of us call normal. Like you can't have it. You can have ones in Seattle or you can have a cheaper version for two. What do you want? See, that actually also might make sense with the images that have been going around showing, I think Kelly Clarkson even, posted one, a price tag next to Molly on the wall, which is that it was a price tag reflecting if you wanted to order the one from Seattle, then you could get that one for $15,000. You can't take the one off the wall in the store, which maybe the person wasn't like who explained that to her. It wasn't like, you know, fawning over her, which is probably the norm that celebrities get accustomed to. And when anything deviates from that there, it like sets off a red flag and maybe it triggered in her this like class anxiety she's always had since entering the business. But I was sending some of these. Yeah. Memes to friends during the break. And one of my friends just responded, why with the Kelly Clarkson thing, did I end up just hating her and defending the business? And I think this is exactly like totally normal person by the way, like not in media or anything. Like this is exactly what Kelly Clarkson just unleashed because she decided to go on her, like go rogue and start posting about this on X. I correct me if I'm wrong on this. I don't think there's any way a publicist reviewed that tweet before she posted it. Oh God, no. Yeah. And you know what else? Like, here's, here's another thing I can't help, but feel, and maybe a lot of listeners are feeling this too, because we have a lot of people who are right of center who listen to the program, not all, but a lot. If you are right of center and there's anything on you that telegraphs that, whether it's an actual camo hat, not like the one that Tim Walls wore, or you're a cop, you don't have to be right of center to be a cop, but the left doesn't tend to love cops, or you're in the military. A lot of the left doesn't love cops. They don't love military, or you're wearing the American flag, or you have anything MAGA on you, anything, whatever. You are so used to being disrespected like this in every establishment in the major cities. I mean, I lived in New York for 17 years. I worked for Fox News for 13 of them. This is a day ending in Y for me. You walk in, in Brooklyn, any establishment in Brooklyn would have treated me like, literally, today I could go into that store, that bitch is gonna not even tell me about the two grand version. She's gonna be like, it's not for sale. Get out. No birds to Megyn Kelly. No. I'd get the middle finger. That's the only bird they'd give me. So, I just have no sympathy for her. Grow up. Take it like a woman. Your life is great. Can I tell you something? Again, I told a nice story last year about Marlo Thomas, Danny Thomas's daughter, and she's the woman behind St. Jude's, and I freaking love Marlo Thomas. And she's older now. She loved, loved, loved her husband, Phil Donahue, so much. And the story I told last year was about how I met her at a dinner party, and I was thinking she might not like me because our politics are so different. But she did not make that even remotely the stakes of the relationship. She was warm. She was loving. She was kind. She was full of advice. And I fell in love with her that night. Well, I saw her again recently. Same thing, except for, eliminate my doubts about her. This time, I approached her excitedly and warmly, and she was the same in response. And she was saying, "You know, we're kind of laughing about life and how many attacks there always are or whatever." And she's like, "You know, you have a great life, right? You've got your husband. You've got your kids. You've got a great show. You've got friends. You're healthy." She's like, "Me too." She's like, "I miss my husband, but I have so many dear friends. What do I have to complain about? What do we have to complain about?" It's called perspective. And in her case, wisdom. She misses her sweet husband, Phil, so much. That was a true love affair. Anyway, my point is simply Kelly Clarkson needs a dose of it. She could use some time with Marlo Thomas. She needs to touch grass and get out of the rarefied air of celebrity, or as she might phrase it, more than, and realize everyone gets treated like shit here or there, celebrity or not. It's not a comment on you. 99% of the time, it's a comment on the mood of the person that you're dealing with. And you got to just let that stuff roll off you. You might say, "Water off a bird's back." Oh, man. I mean, again, for Kelly Clarkson, she doesn't do this stuff often, which makes it 10 times funnier and also 10 times dumber. I mean, that's an amazing story about Marlo Thomas, and I feel like it's very rare, which is the point of the story is that it's something you don't hear from a lot of celebrities, and it's a very rare thing. And that's why it gets us back to, if you are a celebrity deciding to throw a small business under the bus because you felt disrespected, let's actually say that Kelly Clarkson, let's grant her. Let's say she was disrespected, and they said, "Uh-uh. No bird for you. You look poor. Let's grant her that." If that had happened, is it still a good enough reason to litigate this publicly and possibly end a small business? Which, I mean, they might end up getting a lot more business out of all this because nobody's siding with her at this point. But is that good enough reason? I'm interested in seeing it. Hell, yeah. I mean, of course. You need to take the whole crew down and do a report live from Art of Play in Brooklyn. But actually, is that- I'm going to wear one of those hidden cameras to see what happens to me. Actually? Well, now they know it's coming. It's not fair. But no, this is part of the knee-jerk social media culture, which it's like, even if all of this had happened to you, do you think maybe privately it would be better to reach out to the small business and explain how you felt, explain what happened, and then give them a chance to correct it? Instead of putting them on blast in front of the whole world? It's just, yes, the entitlement aspect of it, too, and then the knee-jerk aspect of it. Just not thinking through how you might be punching down at a little guy is embarrassing. That's- the little guy is the key piece, because if she had been like, you know, freaking American Airlines didn't- you know, that got bounced off the flight, and I had my kids with me, and we didn't get our seat- like, everyone's been there. But that's a giant that can defend itself and, you know, whatever. This is a one-store shop with private owners who, of course, in today's day and age, we're losing those like wildfire, you know? Mm-hmm. It's like, thanks to Bill de Blasio's New York laws, which made the entire city, all five boroughs, one giant Starbucks and Citibank, it's very hard for these small business owners to stay open at all. The tax laws are ridiculous. The rents are ridiculous. And so, like, the last thing a little store like this needs is somebody with that kind of star power taking aim specifically at them. It's punching down, and it's- it's fraught. And she got it. She learned that the hard way. I think we're 3-2-1 from Kelly Clarkson, issuing and winning. An apology, saying she misunderstood, and she's sorry, or possibly showing up at the store and, like, doing, like, a fun smiley pose, like, everything's solved. But I think she now probably has a PR person telling her, "You need to fix it and fix it fast." I'll say one other thing about Kelly Clarkson. She's had quite the transformation. You know, she started off like a plain Jane, right? She had a plain Jane. There's a before and after that- I don't know who put this together, but you can see. She was like, whatever. She's like an average-looking person. And- and now, so there she is on the le- well, that's not a nice facial expression. She's not- I don't know where we got this, but she doesn't have the greatest facial expression on in that one. But she was a plain Jane, and now she's glamorous, and now she's got, clearly, the Ozempic shot going, in my opinion. And she's lost a lot of weight. She's got the long hair, and she looks amazing. And I just think, like, the odds of the people who are in that store looking more like the version of her on the right than they do of the version of her on the left. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if that's true. I don't know. And it's another reason why people are gonna look at her and say, as she might say, be kind, right? Like, be kind. Even in the face of unkindness. Not everybody's had your advantages in life. 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Sirius XM 111 and on the Sirius XM app. All right, now we've got to talk about James Tallarico. Do we not? Of course. We've got to talk about James Tallarico and we've got to talk about Ilhan Omar too. So Ilhan Omar had a raid on her Washington DC home this morning, which is very interesting. It sounds like the DOJ is getting really interested in what Ilhan Omar did, to become a U.S. citizen and what Ilhan Omar may have done to help her brother become a U.S. citizen too. Here's what the latest reporting is on it. It was a pre-dawn raid. It was, as I said, her home, she's from Minnesota. She's representative from Minnesota, but her home was raided in Washington DC by Homeland Security Investigations, reading here from a Fox News report. The raid stems from criminal fraud, a criminal fraud investigation into the Somali-born Congresswoman's immigration paperwork, which was filled out by her late father when she was a child. Two sources close to the investigation confirmed the details of the probe on Thursday to Fox. Weeks after border czar Tom Homan last month said Omar was subject to an ongoing criminal investigation. Tom Homan was on TV this morning confirming that a warrant was served against Ilhan Omar. It has been signed off on by a judge. So, you know, it's not just the Trump administration running wild. They went in and got a judge to sign off on this thing to raid her apartment. She, okay, the background here is that for her to be denaturalized, she's a naturalized U.S. citizen, meaning she wasn't born here, but was then later recognized as one. The process would have to be related to allegations that she falsified info when obtaining her own citizenship in 2000. Omar claims she was granted automatic citizenship because of her own citizenship. She was granted automatic citizenship because of her own citizenship. Because she was a minor when her father was naturalized. Congressional records state that she became a citizen at age 17. But speculation that she was actually older at the time of her naturalization began after a candidate, a congressional candidate, A.J. Kern, accused her birth year of being revised. They're basically saying she fudged that. She was too old to get naturalized under her dad's wing and he lied to get it for her. Then they went on to report, Fox did, that even if her father lied in his citizenship paperwork, this could potentially lead to Omar being stripped of her citizenship. So she's not protected just by the fact that maybe it was her dad who lied. And then they remind us that if evidence has been presented to prove that Omar committed marriage fraud, she could face up to five years in jail. Now that's the interesting one, that there's been a lot of back and forth on and even the most recent one, the Minneapolis Star Tribune raised questions about this and could not exonerate Ilhan Omar from the charge that she married her brother. Okay, here's the story. In 2002, she entered a religious marriage with Ahmed Hirsi, with whom she has three children. He's now her current husband and they're legally married. In 2009, she legally married, so she had, a religious marriage, but then in 2009, she had a legal marriage to Ahmed Nirsaid Elmi, a British citizen. This is her alleged brother. In 2011, Omar says she and Elmi, the brother, separated, although they remained legally married for several more years. In 2017, she legally divorced Elmi, again, the alleged brother. In 2018, she then legally married the guy she had the religious marriage to in 2002. And all of this is, has led to questions about whether that legal marriage to Elmi in 2009 was to get him into the United States as her husband. The claim first appeared on an online Somali community discussion forum called Somali Spot and was then picked up by Powerline, a conservative blog. They posted back in 2016, a reader has written to us, to point out that the Somali website, Somali Spot, posted information suggesting her involvement in marriage and immigration fraud. The post notes that she married this guy, Hersey, in 2002 in a religious ceremony. He's the father of her kids and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. As soon as Omar married him, meaning Elmi, the alleged brother, he started university at her alma mater, North Dakota State University, where he then graduated in 2012. Shortly thereafter, he moved to Minneapolis where he was living in a public housing complex and was later married to Elmi. He was later evicted. In other words, not with her as her husband. So yes, if she did this, then she would have committed marriage fraud and she could be in a lot of trouble. So we don't know if this has to do with the alleged marriage to her brother. I guess I should say the actual marriage to a man who was allegedly her brother or whether they misstated her age or whether they misstated her age. But once and for all, the Trump administration is going to get to the bottom of this because once you have the feds involved, every tire gets kicked. And she has now posted to X, quote, I'm okay. Make no mistake. This is an attempt to target political enemies and weaponize federal law enforcement. For 10 years, Trump has targeted me with baseless lies and smear campaigns. This is just the latest escalation in his campaign of political intimidation. I will not be silenced. Well, I don't think we want her to be silenced. I think we want her to, I think we want her to start singing like that bird on the wall and telling us whether she married her brother. Yeah, I mean, I don't like retribution for the sake of retribution. And I think most Americans don't either, especially when gas is $4 a gallon and there's a stagnating war that people are pissed about. But there's plenty of evidence when it comes to Ilhan Omar to justify this investigation. And that's where it's difficult for her to just pass it off as an effort at political retribution, which she just did in that post on X, you mentioned, because in both of these cases, in her immigration fraud case and then the marriage fraud case, as you mentioned, this is not relegated to the conservative blogosphere, although Scott Johnson at Powerline has done great stuff on this over the years. Even the Minneapolis Star Tribune has looked into this and found legitimate discrepancies and question marks. And so I'm sure that there's a political motivation from the Trump administration for doing this. I think we all understand that. But there's also substantial evidence to warrant an investigation in both of those cases. And especially if you're looking into her immigration fraud, if you combine that with questions in the other cases, you may say that here's somebody who has a willingness to kind of fudge facts in order to make immigration cases smoother, whether it's her own or her brother's. So I don't think, I think that's going to be really tough for her to claim that this is a totally baseless investigation because as you just laid out, there's enough evidence to warrant a federal probe here. I mean, when the Minneapolis Star Tribune is unable to exonerate you, there are questions. because that paper would have done everything in its power. power to say these are all bloody lies. And the fact that it couldn't is very telling. No one's been able to fact check this in a way that exonerates her. And honestly, either this guy's her brother or he's not. If that's her brother and all it will take is a simple DNA test, she's effed. Nobody marries their brother except for Tony Jackson, who's having sex with his cousin. But other than that, nobody does it. Oh, Troy. Troy. Yeah, Troy. Not Tony. Sorry. Troy. Is Tony the cousin? Troy. Troy did not marry his brother, but did have sex with his cousin and produced children with his cousin and might be our next senator from the state of Maine, which leads me to politics. See how I did that, Emily? See that? Just miraculous. So smooth. Like Mary Lou Retton, baby. So there's a problem in River City. And by that, I mean Texas. Yes. Tallarico, when last we checked in on Friday, was missing in action. He had the flu and he was gone for nine days. And no one believed that he had the flu and was basically off the campaign, I think, for mostly 13 before anybody had seen him in person anywhere. At this point in the campaign, you know, early voting is going to be underway. Like it was madness. It was an absolute mad, mad, mad, mad situation that happened. Well, over the weekend, you had, like, this woman, Caroline Wren, who's a Republican operative, who, you know, you can't go by her reporting. I think she would, she would tell you that herself. She was saying, please, somebody come investigate this. But she was saying, look, I'm just going to tell you what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that he's in a mental institution. Now, this could just be a political move designed to stir up, like, how long have you been cheating on your wife? You know, like one of those situations. But what happened over the weekend was, you know, there's a was Nick Sorter, who is a conservative influencer, I guess you'd call him, political guy online, posted audio that he received from another party of a call to a facility in Ohio, a telephone call. And here's the thing. It was Caroline Wren who said, I've seen, because you can apparently track the paths of private jets. And she saw a private jet leave Austin, Texas on Thursday, last Thursday, and then return with its passenger on Friday, the very next day. And that this private jet went to a place in Ohio that was just a few miles away from this mental health facility where people go to recover from depressive incidents, et cetera. And she, she reported that a judge friend of Tallarico's had gone to that facility for treatment for depression. And she was saying, what are the odds that, you know, just as Tallarico says, which he did Friday night in Texas, in Austin, that this plane that went and got somebody from, or appears to have gotten somebody from Austin to Ohio, right by this facility, then returns in time for Tallarico to make a public appearance on Friday, did not have Tallarico in it. Well, all of that is what we call complete baseless speculation. Absolutely zero. We have no freaking clue who was on that plane. Zero. Whether it was a pickup, whether it was a drop off, whether that had anything to do with James Tallarico, but she's kind of the one stirring this. So then Nick Sorter posts this video or this audio from Ryan Amaker and Ryan Amaker, it seems to be a conservative sort of operative who kept calling the facility, the Lindner Center of Hope over the weekend to see if they had a man named James Tallarico as a patient there. And ultimately he gets, well, he gets told like you would at most medical facilities like this, you can't have any information unless you have a code or unless you have some way of proving that you actually know this patient that you're asking me about. And what he reported, this Ryan Amaker, was that he then made up a code to convince the operator. He did in fact have a connection to James Tallarico, who he falsely claimed was his cousin. And he eventually gets the operator, he tells us, Ryan Amaker claims, at this Ohio mental hospital to apparently confirm Tallarico was there but has been discharged earlier this evening. I should say up front, Ryan Amaker says this conversation happened on Saturday. Discharged earlier this evening would have meant Saturday. We know that James Tallarico was seen in Austin, not Ohio, on Friday. So already the story's got a smell problem. But here is, for what it's worth, what Ryan Amaker says happened in that phone call with the mental health facility. The mental health facility known as the Lindner Center of Hope in Ohio. Sat 1. Hi. I do not find anyone with that name for the last four days. It's been discharged and they're not here in the building. Okay. So nothing for James Tallarico? Yes, it looks, well, this is what it's today. It looks like something's wrong. Just this, he was just discharged this evening. That's why I don't have it. Oh, he was discharged then? Mm-hmm. Okay. And this is the Hope? They should be. Okay. I'm sorry. This is, and I'll make sure I have it right, but this is Hope Lindner? Yes, uh-huh. Okay. And you're in Hamilton, Ohio? No, we're not in Hamilton. Oh. We're in Mason. Okay. So that's why he's not on system. He's in recent. Okay. So this was the, quote, So proof that Nick Sorter and this guy, uh, Ryan Amaker put out to show us that Tallarico was in fact checked into this mental facility called the Lindner Center of Hope. Well, no sooner did they post that, then, um, a Tallarico spokesperson came out and said, this is a lie designed to promote a pathetic conspiracy theory. Last week, James Tallarico was home in Austin, Texas, recovering from the flu. Then the Lindner, uh, facility actually put out a statement. Uh, first they tried to say, we don't confirm or deny whether any individual is or has been a patient, but then they did exactly that. Then they put out a tweet that said, James Tallarico has never received treatment at the Lindner Center for Hope, which was a little cagey, I've got to say, because received treatment is much more specific than has never checked in, has not been a patient here, was not here over the past nine days. I actually tweeted out myself since they decided to weigh in on it. Could you be more specific? Like, just let's put this to bed one way or the other. I like, I have no idea what happened, but that he's never received treatment here doesn't really answer the question. They did not respond. And then James Tallarico seemed to put the whole matter to bed by tweeting out, I've never even been to Ohio with a laughing, crying emoji, which is as explicit a denial as one can get and has the ring of truth to it. I mean, that's a very bold lie. If it's not true, God, what a very bold lie to say you've never been to the state when, in fact, you received treatment. Secretly in one of their mental facilities for the past nine days. That, to me, had the ring of truth to it. But now this Nick Sorter is doubling down, saying he's got more and it's going to be coming out any day now. You tell me what's really going on here, because Ken Paxton seems to be thoroughly enjoying this. And James Tallarico is pointing the finger at Paxton saying, because he said, let me see proof of life. Paxton did. And Tallarico looked at Paxton and said, let me see proof of a spine. And why don't you find? Finally, debate me, which you've been refusing to do all along, even though President Trump said debate him. And there will be no Texas debate because Paxton continues to refuse. So where does all of that leave us? Well, I think Republicans like Caroline Wren know that they legitimately have a huge problem in Texas and saw an opening with Tallarico bizarrely out of the campaign trail. I mean, it is incredibly odd to just disappear from the campaign trail within a month of the general election and one of the most watched. In the country, one of the most watched elections, one of the most high dollar elections, one of the most high stakes elections in the country, he says he was sick. Maybe we're going to find out. That's totally true. Being gone that long for the flu, missing events. That is bizarre. And Republicans sensed an opening because they're having so much so many problems in Texas because their candidate is Ken Paxton, who, by the way, I don't begrudge Republican voters for choosing over John Cornyn one bit, but he's not exactly the easiest guy to win an election, even in a red state like Texas. When gas is $4 a gallon and the president is mired in a war. And so I do think Republicans saw an opportunity and a window here to make the story negative about Tallarico rather than having Ken Paxton relying just on Ken Paxton making the affirmative case for himself. They're able then to shift the conversation to a negative about James Tallarico, which, by the way, is also pretty easy to do. He's not that hard to knock, but Republicans fundamentally are having a hard time convincing voters to go with them when. The president is unpopular. He's he's overseeing a bad economy that voters, I think, rightfully blame him for much of. And so it's just a tough environment. And that's why they wanted to focus on this so much. I have no idea what's real or fake here. I do think it's interesting that the call on the call, you hear someone even correct the person who's asking the questions by saying, no, we're not in. We're in. We're in Mason. He says we're not in. The woman says we're not in Hamilton. We're in Mason. So if it's a fake, it's a pretty well conceived. fake, well-scripted fake, I don't know if it's AI, I don't know if it's if somebody who was on the phone at the Lindner Center made a mistake. I suppose it's possible maybe there was someone named James someone there. I really have no idea what the hell is going on, but I know for sure Republicans want to change the script. That much I can understand. Mm hmm. I agree with all that. It is it is strange that, you know, if in fact they had a woman on the line who said that James Tallarico had just checked out, that's strange. But that woman didn't sound like she totally understood what was going on. And I'm not sure we can put any faith whatsoever in that phone call. I don't know this guy who made it, Ryan Amaker. I don't know whether he's trustworthy. He tried to shop the story to the Daily Mail and said online on Twitter X space today, I think, said like they wouldn't they weren't going to go with it because they needed to vet it. And he didn't find that like acceptable. He wanted to get it out right away. So reason for caution. But I will revert to what I said on Friday, which is I have a real, very tough time believing James Tallarico story that he was just sitting in bed for nine days. The pressure was being amped up to an 11 on him by day seven, never mind eight, nine and off the campaign trail for 13 days in actual person visits. And the fact that like he didn't tweet a picture, there was no like post by his team of him at his house, by his papers, a video message, which is very easy when you're. 10 days into the flu is very suspicious. Something is wrong here, which is why people are now jumping to these other, you know, possibilities. And maybe we'll eventually find out. Emily Jashinsky. Great to see you, my friend. Check her out on the wrap up show. It's next right here on Sirius XM channel 111. We'll see you all tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.