The CIA Stole Our Wives

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We've talked quite a bit about the different vocations of the man and the woman, some of the key principles that they ought to bring to those duties that God calls them to. Now, inevitably in this conversation, the issue of money arises. The duties of both the man and the woman require it to arise actually. Last week, we took up one of the most common questions to that end. How can we make more money? As a provider, how can a husband nourish and cherish and leave an inheritance for his family? But that leaves a very much related question open. What about her? How do the woman's vocations relate to money? In our age of two-income households, where women normatively leave their father's home, attend university, and pursue independent careers with marriage and children a distant second focus, how should we think? The woman's primary vocation is helper, to help her husband achieve the God-given mission of the household. In that case, how should young women prior to marriage think about making money? Careers, college, how should the married woman relate to the making of money? That will be the focus of this episode. So join us here on BrightHearth as we talk about the very practical question of the woman's vocations and the economy. Welcome back to BrightHearth. It's been a while. It has, well, for us, it's been a while. And several weeks since we've re-funded? Yeah, we're dangerously close to the deadline to get these episodes to our guy tape. We just went into party over spring break, so. Yeah. in party we did. And by party, we did an enormous amount of things. We had such a busy week. It was so busy. We had a wedding. But that was fun because it was the wedding of. It was great. It was beautiful. A young lady that we've known since she was like the Hydeal Grasshopper. We lasty. There's my great accent. You're so good at accents, babe. Well, welcome back everybody to this episode of BrightHearth. 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I do just want to say thank you for supporting my album. We did an episode talking about it related to vocations. And that was like one or two episodes ago as you're listening to this. And it was funny because we launched the fundraiser to fund my album Long Day of Short Years on April 6th or 7th. I think it was April 6th. And then the episode about it came out one week later on April, what, like 13th to 14th. And by the time it came out, we had already reached the goal and then doubled it. Then some. So thank you guys. Yeah, that's cool. I'm doing my best to get that album wrapped up and out as quick as possible now that it has been. We've reached that goal. The fundraiser is still open. And you can still support the album there just because we've passed the goal. This means I'm closing it up because it's actually one of the best ways to pre-order all the different tiers of support come with different bonuses and benefits and things like that, including vinyls and those people are first in line for vinyls. I'm also doing special things that I won't do any other time. So go check it out still if you want to support the album. I'm doing signed and numbered vinyls. I'm doing also a t-shirt design that's never going to exist again after the fundraiser. So there's still time. And you can go listen to the song that I wrote to fix women if you supported any tier. So like right now they can listen. Yeah, they could go sign any tier of support. They get the instant download. Do you think it will work? I'm just wondering how these women are going to hear it. Well, that's where everybody comes in. I have to share it. I know. If we get Taylor Swift to cover it, it's over. She would be one to listen to it. She'd probably change the lyrics. It's a great song. It's a sad song. Go listen. It's called This One's For The Darkness. And let's hope that it maybe it won't fix women, but let's hope that it fixes some of them. Yeah. Maybe we settle for a more modest goal. It could. It could very well do it. All right. Well, if you want to do that, you can go to brionsove.com/shortyears in that link is in the description of this episode. But let's get to work on this episode. We really have two parts here. One of them is for lack of a better words, all of the bad stuff, where basically I just want to talk through why is the way that we do this right now really bad? And it's not working. And then we'll have a little transition of some historical matters, where we will talk about some of the structural forces in society that led to where we are today, because those really matter when you're trying to fix things, you have to figure out where they went wrong. And you also have to reckon with the fact that structural changes have taken place that you can't necessarily undo yourself, like we can't undo the industrial revolution. Yeah, you can't pretend you live in another time period. Yeah, it just doesn't, I mean, like it doesn't necessarily work. I mean, you can pretend that, but you could. It would be weird. And then we'll move into the, what should you do today? How should the woman relate to money, college? All these different things today. You're a college educated woman. Well known. Yeah. What's your degree? Creative writing. Creative writing. Yeah. Very good. Creative writing. What's an emphasis in poetry? This is my ring, you. I studied a lot of Wendell-Berry in college. That was my. I'm married to high-powered woman. No, definitely not. That's true. But I did go to college. I did promise my dad would go to college and you made me stay in college. He's been though and tried to drop out multiple times. It is true. So Lexi graduated with an associate's degree from high school. And then, in our, she was already, like, further into it. And with, uh, and there was no debt involved either. Yeah. And then we were engaged and you were closed and it was like, just finish it. Come on. Yeah, it was the sort of situation where even if I got pregnant, that last year, I would have been able to finish either way. So it was like, and I enjoyed it. I mean, I was studying literature. I tried, I wanted to graduate, having studied literature, but it was just so time-consuming to read that that I couldn't keep up with the work load. So I just said, go study literature. Yeah, it was great. I loved it. And then you don't have to work. I loved it. So, uh, everybody comes to this, this question with their own personal history as well as the history of the world. Like those two things both matter. And I even brought that up just so you know, like, we didn't grow up in little house on the prairie attire. Often the plains of Indiana somewhere, farming wheat and potatoes. We grew up in a normal evangelical world. And had all of the normal evangelical world assumptions of things to an extent. And many of you are in the same place where you grew up. Maybe you didn't even have an ideal like I would have done it this way if I knew everything now that I or if I knew everything then that I know now. But you're more looking at this like with your children, your church culture. And so let's just start with why, why is this such an important question for us to talk through today? My one sentence answer and then I want to hear your answer, Lexi, is that our culture is stupid and it's making us miserable. And a lot of the ways that it's stupid and making us miserable directly relate to the way that it teaches women what their goals should be, what their normal life should look like, and how they should set that life up for their version of success. That's my short answer. Why is this money and vocation and the woman and college and all this? Why is this so important for us to talk about? So the word of God would not be reviled. It's a good answer. Expand. So for real, that's very real in my mind. I also think there's too much at stake with the souls of our children involved in this to do it in wrong ways. And we can't do it all, even if we're told that we can. Even if we farm out as much of the housework and cleaning and cooking as possible, we still can't do it all as women. So it's very important to get this right. You're talking about opportunity cost, right? It went. Sure. Well, you're talking about opportunity cost. When you spend a dollar, you have spent that dollar on what you spent that dollar on, and you can no longer spend that dollar, that same dollar, on something else. This is true of time. It's true of energy. It's true of focus. If you spend time and energy and money in focus in accomplishing some goal, you necessarily cannot spend that same time energy focus and money on another goal. So if you line up your goals in life and your expectations and your norms, in a way that you have severed them from God's design to some degree, you will use the strength and the resources and the time and the days and everything he gave you to maybe even succeed in something that you shouldn't have. And the opportunity cost is that you no longer have the opportunity to use that time and strength and days. And I think this happens. Actually the song that I wrote is basically working through the life of a woman who does this, who says, "I don't want to be anybody's nursery maid. I don't want to have kids. I just want to have some vacations. I want to be my own independent woman." And slowly realizes over the course of all of those decisions that the opportunity cost of that was. Kid. No kids. No family. Yeah. 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White college-educated women are one of the most liberal groups in America. And are responsible because they're actually a significant voting block for a lot of political structural social degradation. And you should look at that and go, "There should be a big red light on your dashboard, blinking a check engine light." This says, "What is it about that that created that? What is it about sending those women to college?" Because that's the core demographic of the female population of America. I mean like white women since we're predominantly white nation. If you say white college-educated women are this massively liberal voting block, you're really talking about taking one of the beating hearts of our civilization, the American civilization. And you have trained them to dismantle their own civilization. Because that's what liberalism does. What did that? How did we get there? What is it about college, for example? Because women who are not college-educated are not nearly as liberal. So what is it about that that's doing something here? That's why we need to talk about this. This is really destroying America. It's destroying society. It's destroying women. It's destroying families. And it's bearing all sorts of bad fruit. So why are we so opposed to this normal track of life, which says to the young woman, "Yeah, maybe husband and kids later, you can have it all. You can have that in a career." But normally what you should do, and we teach them this from elementary school on, even before that, in many cases, you should figure out what your calling is. In terms of career, you should go to college, probably, and get whatever degree or certification you need to pursue that. You should develop economic independence and a strong economic foundation and career. And then once you have that security, yeah, then maybe at some point find a husband along the way. And if you do make sure you don't have kids until you can be established in your career. If you do have kids, make sure you send them off to daycare and then off to public school. That's the normal pipeline that we're telling women is success. And we're saying you can have all of those things. Oh, and then by the way, any economic disparity in that whole process between you and men in the workforce is the result of sexism and discrimination and other forces that are working against you. So make sure you steal yourself, hearting yourself, fight for your rights. Do deserve it, you can do it, misindependent. That's the message that we are steeping our women in throughout their whole childhood and adolescence and early adulthood. And then they go out and do it. And what we're saying is that that's a terrible idea. And here are some reasons why. And the first one that I want to talk about is this idea of perverse incentives. Because when you do this, this whole process, one of the reasons it's so destructive is that if you assume like the scriptures do, that the woman was created normatively to be under the headship of her father and then a husband. And normatively was created to bear children and in marriage and love those children and husband and help him establish the home and work hard there and that she was created for these things. And it's so important like Lexi said that if she doesn't do them, the word of God might be reviled. Then if she doesn't, if there are incentives built into the structure of her life not to do those things, then the net result will not be empowerment, but it will probably be misery. In the same way that if you were to build a world where men were told, don't be strong, don't be confident leaders, don't take risk, don't take charge. All these things men were really made to do, but go to an office, fill in some spreadsheets, work for a loud bossy HR Karen lady and then go home to your wife who makes more money than you. She's going to be miserable. So there are perverse incentives built into this whole pipeline. One of them is just economic. Like when she goes, she puts so much time and money into getting this degree and then often debt, almost always debt. She has an incentive then to say, well, I have to get enough out of my career to justify all of that and literally to pay it off in many cases. And so of course I can't have children. Of course I can't settle down. So she spends her late teens through her mid 20s getting the certifications degree in the career and then she has to spend her mid 20s through mid 30s paying it off before she's at break even in many cases. And then it's like somewhere, where do kids, where do husband fit in? Like you're going to, how does it all work? All of the incentives are aligned to say, don't do the thing you were made to do. That's one of the big problems. And then something I read Hannah's children this last year, something that a lot of the moms talked about in there who did, who kept working and having really large families. Something they talked about though that was a huge loss for them. Say you want to pay off your debt faster. So you're going to do as much as you can to get more promotions because more money equals getting home full time faster. But if you decide to have children along the way, you're not going to be picked for those promotions. Yeah. Even trying to blend the two, they were talking in the book about how even trying that, there's a huge cost to that. Yeah, absolutely. And I, in a sample size of our church, which is not huge. I know women with over a quarter million dollars in debt from schooling who are not young who still have that much debt in their 30s and 40s. Yeah. And are trying to write the ship and in many cases not working and trying to figure that out. But now that's the husbands to shoulder in many cases. And it's just a huge lead weight on the family. And without exception every single one that I know would say that was a really bad idea. The other way he talked about his headship. So the normal mode of existence that God designed to be would be that a father is ruling his home. His wife is his helper. They have children. They raise the sons to be men and the daughters to be women. The sons establish a household. They lead the house of their father. They win a bride. They establish their own household. They have children. They repeat it. The young the daughters work with the mother under the father's headship and contribute to the economy of the home. Learn all the skills of this very high skill home making and helping roll, which varies widely depending on the husband's vocation. And then she would be in that home and under the headship of the father, his protection, care, provision, nourishment, all of that. Until he hands her off in marriage at the altar to a worthy man. And then the headship transfers and now she's under the headship of her father. You notice what's missing in that? Her husband. Or sorry, her husband. Notice what's missing in that. There's no five to ten year period in her. One of the most important parts of her entire life, where she is sent off to be, oh, he's, I'm under my father's headship. He's a thousand miles away and I talk to him on the phone sometimes. Really? I'm under my father's protection. Really. You are? No, you're not. There's no period in that normal mode of existence where she's not covered essentially. But we've baked into the normal mode of things, like a half a decade to a decade of good luck. And it's not a question of what might happen during that time. It's a question of what is happening. A lot of those white college educated liberal women have conservative fathers, even if it's just like general Republican conservatism. So I'm not great, let's say. Where did they become some of the most liberal feminists ever to walk the earth? College. College. They're friends and they're professors. And so what happened is she went off, went out from his headship and was deceived and became an apostle of feminism. Do you remember that dad that we sat beside at that Baptist church event that the Farley's taught at? And he was telling you what a bigger credit was. Like he didn't know what to do because he had sent his daughter off to college. And she was a liberal now. Do you remember that guy? Yeah. I was thinking about him recently. And he was just like devastated. Like I don't know what to do. She's still there. Yeah. It's not even a question of what might happen. It's a question of what is happening and what does happen. The other thing that happens, you can get in trouble for saying this, but is that these young women become used mattresses. They sleep. They rack up a body count of half a dozen or a dozen or more men, sexual partners. And that has devastating effects on that woman's character and on her fitness to become a wife and mother devastating effects. And why is this happening? It's because she was not designed to be a free agent without male headship involved in her life. She simply was not. So the temptations of the uncovered woman are the temptations to be deceived and to throw off restraint and then become basically one of the most potent forces in civilization to undo civilization. I don't think that's an overstatement. Yeah. And it's just such an experience. It's being done on such an experimental level because it's the last several decades or kind of the first times in history where it's done on such a massive scale. Yeah. So women now can be sexually licentious on such massive scales and then want to come back into the church and expect XYZ from the church. Yeah. When we just haven't ever had that, giant of a category in history. That's right. So I think we're preaching the choir with Breithart. I think most of our listeners probably agree with a lot of what we're saying or at least you're somewhere on like close close to us on these things and you're not going, oh, I'm actually, I think feminism is great. It's one of the greatest things that's ever happened. Welcome to Breithart. I anticipate your one star review and we'll enjoy reading it in three to seven days. Let's talk about a little bit of a historical moment as we transition into the what what should the woman do? How should she relate to money? Because actually believe it or not, we're not saying that it's a sin for a woman to make money or be related to the making of money. We're not saying that the woman has nothing to do with the economy of the home or with the economic life of a nation even. We're not even saying that women have nothing to do with the economic life of business. Believe it or not. And we have good, strong historical Christian reasons to say that. So that might surprise you to hear some of what I just have. Sure. Some purity spirals. Some of them made me that might be mad. We'll explain why but but a historical moment I think sets the ground to understand or a historical like a mini history lesson explains why this is so why we're so muddled on this question. And it relates to assuming that that the way things are today are very normal and they're just not. We live in a post-industrial economy post colonial post-industrial modern world and now even not just post-industrial but even like post world wars. That was a huge change to do. Yeah, post world war but globalism post globalism and internet economy and digital economy now which has poured gasoline on the fire. But also in some ways created pathways to return to more sane patterns. So it's not all bad technology is not always all bad or all good. It's a mixed bag and you have to just deal with it. We talked about that with AI in in the previous episode recently but here's the basic turning point in pre-industrial and pre-colonial life which think about col- when I say colonial think about like the call the colonies in America. We're talking about the the 16 and 1700s when we have empires call it you know the British Empire sit colonizing and you know sending out colonial life in America and then you have you know a more mercantile and agrarian economies and essentially what you don't have are modern mass manufacturing and even modern I mean like even early factories where you could if let's say if you wanted to make a button. For most of human history if you want to close with buttons on them somebody in your house or near your house pretty much had to make it. Probably out of materials that were readily available within a hundred miles of your home. So wooden buttons, bone buttons, things of that nature. Ari just made me some avocado pit buttons. Ari could have been a button maker. Okay and you'd have people who would specialize in these things maybe in your local life they would there'd be a button maker and you know made that's not the only thing he's going to do probably but he's going to be making clothing and related to that you might have then a store where there's somebody who you could walk in and get a lot of goods that might relate to the normal life of the home. If you wanted a fabric you probably had to have somebody close that had sheep or some other natural fiber maker who could card and weave and do all of that and make fabric from it and then yeah of course like you had people that would start to make that and specialize in it and trade it for other goods and things like that. In this world we things were localized and they were like there were a lot of distribution of skills. Many people had to have the skills. What manufacturing did industrialization is it created mass manufacturing facilities where buttons could be made on a scale that no human in history could make buttons prior to that and here's the other thing about it most of the people involved in that process didn't have a particularly skilled job. They were managing some very particular part the more efficiently got at it of manufacturing along an assembly line. There's machines and all this and again this isn't all like all bad all good kind of stuff this is just what happened. So in colonial life in this like pre-colonial and pre-industrial life and all of that think about how the household worked. They were basically two sides to oversimplify where the woman was deeply related to this process of life of the economy and life. In the home there was an enormous amount of high skill activity that she had to know how to do and you could think of this even as like manufacturing and home crafts like she's spinning wool and cotton she's weaving cloth she's sewing clothes she's gardening she's preserving food she's making soap she's making candles she's making buttons she's making medicine she's nursing the sick she's nursing the sick. Think about these are not like loading the dishwasher. Yeah. These are high skill actual knowledge applied through the hands. Pass down from mother to daughter, from mother to daughter, from mother to daughter, father to daughter. Like these were high skill manufacturing jobs, you could say. That's one aspect of life. Think about all of the food, all the medicine, all of the clothing, all of the goods, all of like so many things were in her domain. And then the second half half of that is actually even the trade and business of the household of her husband. So if her husband is, let's say a butcher and in his community, he is the guy who people bring their animals to be processed. My grandfather did this work in Minnesota in the middle of the 20th century through like the 60s, 70s. He was a pig farmer and he was the butcher. So people would, he would process hundreds and hundreds of pigs for people because he was really good at it. And even that was like late in the 20s century, it wasn't the same. But like even go further back, let's say he's the butcher. He's the guy that can butcher any animal really well, very fast. He has a lot of skill in it. So there are farmers and there are shepherds and there are other guys who are raising different meat animals. And yeah, they might have butchering skills and often did and a lot of them would do their own butchering. But at some point a lot of them had people who would butcher for them and that guy was high skilled. The most common and normal way that his world would work is that his wife was going to be involved in his business. It wasn't, it's not necessarily that she had all the same exact butchering skills as him. She in many cases she often didn't know how to butcher, too. But she would be helping him with a lot of aspects of that task, managing the business of relating to customers and all sorts of aspects of his business. Think about a blacksmith or a silversmith or something upholstering. She was often alongside her husband in the economic life of the home, which was the basis of the economic life of the community, the town, and ultimately the world. So she was deeply involved in all of these practices and in more, there's so much more that we could talk about where her involvement in helping her husband. It was a very high skill and high work but also very much related to the making of money and the way that money was made and spent and all of that. She might also have overflow from her own gardening and things like that that would go into the markets and all sorts of things. She might make clothes like a million different things. So what happens in the Industrial Revolution? Mass manufacturing, factories, and then ultimately as the world is industrialized and globalized, where even then the manufacturing of goods and services are moved completely not just out of your town and out of your home but out of your country. Then you have the office, the rise of the office, which is managerial work. We're now in a lot of first world countries. We have foolishly gutted our own industrial base. We can't make things. We have exported that work and we relate to the making of it by managing it through global supply chains and marketing and manipulating products. Yeah, we do make stuff in America but a lot of time it's after a lot of the making of the manufacturing and it has happened in another country in the Southeast Asia. You might have clothes that are put together in America but all the fabric was made in Southeast Asia. You might have even like a hunting company makes a backpack and that's like that was made in China. So you have office workers in America who are managing the sales pipeline design, what are Americans going to buy? We're selling it here. We're bringing it there's shipping. There's all sorts of logistics that are involved. So not only are men going into the factory and then into the office, you might hear the sound of freedom passing overhead. Yeah, 35s are doing stuff. Not only are the men going into factories and offices but then the women as well, increasingly. And all of that is completely disconnected. More and more from the house being an economic base. The house is now just a place you go between your shifts and a lot of the skill involved in that has been removed. What happens when you take off the skill, the working with your hands and manufacturing skill and medicine skill and all that is that all of that was related to the people because the economy is just the love of people applied to goods and services. That's it is what the economy is fundamentally. It's goods and services. It's a if when it's done well in a well-ordered way, it ought to be ordered towards the love of your neighbor as expressed in goods and services. And that goes into everything from the quality of work to the things you use to in your products, to the customer service, to the price that you charge. Everything ought to be in a well-ordered economy. Love, reified in goods and services. That is what an economy is in the world that God made. So when you take the women and the men and you take all of the skill and all of the economy out of the home in this fabric of society and you put it in the factory and then in the office and increasingly even in like the internet where you're not even with other people at all. Look at what you've done. You've disconnected the direct mechanisms where you would have any kind of feedback loop between the love of the people and the good in the service you're providing. You no longer even see the people that you're providing. You're not putting buttons on your kids clothing anymore. In fact, you don't even see your kids anymore because they're going off to another type of factory, which is daycare and the public school system. See what I mean. So all of a sudden you make structural technological changes and we didn't even think about what they're going to do to the social, religious, to the economy of love. That has devastated the family unit. It's devastated women especially. You mentioned the world wars. The world wars had an accelerating effect on bringing the women into the workforce. What would you add to, I know that you've thought about this a lot and then we can talk about even like, okay, but what are we saying to do? Because that's really the important thing. Yeah, I mean, I think what I would add is just the lies of feminism that women can be tempted even even good conservative, really right-winged women then become others and feel like maybe the feminists are right. Maybe I am being held down at home. I think one of the biggest things to realize is once you know feminism is a siop and filled with lies, then it takes away all of the oomph from you can't lie to yourself anymore because they were all lying. Most women throughout history were totally satisfied at home working for and with their husband, for and with their children. So to me, I think that is a big one is like understanding feminist history for what it actually is and not what they tell us that it was. And then yeah, the last one for me, it was, I mean, when you think about, there's a difference between being a grocer that lives on top of the grocery store. Yeah. The wife is literally there. That's the household economy right there. There's a difference between that and literally having to leave to go to the office every day. You cannot, no matter what you think, you cannot be two places at once. That's right. And so that just means that has so much logistical nightmare behind it for a wife whose priority should be managing the household. Yeah. That just introduces an entirely new set of logistical nightmares that you have to kind of walk through and figure out. And then, and then we wonder, why are women not satisfied at home? Well, it's because it's a logistical nightmare to be there and try to figure out how to make it all work. There is no excess for her to enjoy being there. Yeah. She doesn't want to be there and it's just a continual terrible loop that we have thrown women into. Did you know that a woman's health during pregnancy can directly impact the health of her grandchildren? Generational health starts long before birth. That's why Rebecca at Live Oak Integrative Health takes a functional medicine approach, combining nurse driven coaching, personalized testing, and practical, database care to help women restore balance in hormones, gut health, fertility, and weight. 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We so discontentment in people's hearts, we're like, "That is what feminism was, Mark." You shouldn't be content with the stuff you have right now. You need this other stuff. If you don't have the stuff that I have, then your stuff isn't good enough and you should be discontent until you get that stuff. And so work and get that stuff. This is the opposite of that economy of love, express and reified in goods and services, where good marketing is like, I have this thing that I really think is great. It will help. I would be so glad if someone bought this product from me at the price I'm selling it in the quality because I know that they're getting a great deal. It's gonna help them. I'm not trying to so discontentment in their heart. I'm actually just trying to love them. That's good marketing. Bad marketing is like, I just want to leverage every vice of sin and discontentment until somebody, ah yeah, I need that. And so I'm gonna get that. And that will fulfill me. And it's a lie. It's overselling the thing. It's like, that's never how it works. This is what feminism did. They made out like women largely were miserable being in the home, not being directly in the workforce as office and factory workers and all these other things. And that they weren't being fulfilled. And the reality is the vast majority of women did not feel that way. No. It was marketing. But there is one core aspect of that that I think is worth talking about in terms of the historical fabric. And that is that the 20th century, middle of the 20th century 50s housewife, economy is not necessarily the thing that we're trying to recover. Notice that what we have been talking about is like a pre-industrial example. What happened though is that we stripped all of the skill and we gave the illusion of stripping all of the necessity of the woman being home and being involved in the economy of the home directly because we replaced it all with mass manufacturing and factories and all this stuff. And we said, we don't need you anymore. So what are you doing? You're just sitting around doing your hair all day. Poppin pills. Poppin pills. Horsing card games. Have 1.7 children. Host some card games. Basics. Basics and ice box cakes. Yeah. What are you doing? She's miserable. She doesn't have enough work to do. The dishwasher does all her work. This new appliance called the washing machine does all of her work. And so pretty soon, why do we even need you at home anymore? Why don't you go do something with your life instead of just being a trophy on the mantelpiece? That is a huge character. And that was not necessarily how the vast majority of women lived in the home, even in the middle of the 20th century. But there is a core piece of truth that is somewhat involved in that, which is that we're not saying that the woman shouldn't work. We're not saying that she should just disconnect from the economy and stay home and basically just post on Instagram, idyllic series of photos of her making tea. And no, we're actually saying that-- Especially, nevermind. I'll be quiet. We're saying that just because she's not involved in all of the manufacturing of stuff anymore, necessarily. She can be. There's lots of things a woman can do. They're actually glorious and satisfying and good. And I think our awesome Lexi does stuff like knitting and things like that now. But we're saying the fundamental work all along was never about just the goods and the services. It was about the love. It was about the people. We need her there because the people are there. And the people were always the main part of the work. The manufacturing and all the things that went around it and how you accomplish feeding the people and loving the people and clothing, the people, some of that changes with technology. But you can't just have the technology make the button appear from Amazon Prime. And now it's gone. You just know more work to do. The most important part is still there. And it can never not be there. Because the people are there. She needs to be there because the people are there. And she needs to be focused on loving and clothing and nurturing and all of that for the people. Yeah. Which is why I take issue with Thomas Sol's view that capitalism is good because it has increased our standard of living as his thing. But first of all, capitalism also got us to income households. It was the capitalists who did that. And also what is your definition of increased standard of living? Because I don't see that when I look around at feminist households send the moms out for a paycheck. Yeah. If we define standard of living properly-- Correct. We have plummeted in standard of living. Because, like you said, economy should come back to an economy of love, not the physical goods of a thing or the ex-amount of income that we get as a result of that. Though it can be included in that, it's still not foundational enough, I feel like. Yeah. And-- So that's where we can go wrong with some of this from even a conservative perspective. Sometimes when you criticize capitalism today, it's like you're criticizing God for a tentative religious belief. But if you make a critique of capitalism, you're not making a critique of specialization, you're not making a critique of buying and selling, you're not making a critique of economies. That's not what you're making a critique of. What I would make a critique of is the way in which perverse incentive structures have inevitably driven us to the globalization, de-industrialization, and de-humanizing of the economy through global capitalism. Like this big government in bed with big global business that is totally disconnected from the order of loves that ought to govern the economy, starting with the family, the nation as an extended family, the nation seeking its own good, its own earthly and heavenly good. And what we have done is we've created incentives where, actually, instead of an economy of love, where we're aiming with our goods and services to reify Christian love, we are aiming to, at all costs, make stock chart go up. - Make a buck, yep. - And not even make a buck for the people here. Not even make a buck for the people, 'cause making a buck is important and good, and you need to make a buck. But if you're just about making a buck for shareholders, - Yes. - What happens? You don't give a rip about the people involved in the whole world of your nation and the families and what the economy was always supposed to be all along, which is again, the reification of love in goods and services for people ordered, according to the order of loves that God gives us, even a natural order of love. Like even the pagans get this, that you should, a father should love his children and a man should love his nation and patriotism, love of the fatherland. Like there's, we're gonna have to call it audible, we're gonna do another episode where we talk about what you should do because we decided to fuss in this episode. - No, that's good. - Yeah, I think you need to talk about this. - We have to diagnose the problem because when we get to the solutions, the solutions we're gonna give don't make sense if you just think about this in terms of who makes money and who's allowed to make money. That's a stupid place to start. The question is never just who makes money because think about that pre-industrial world, who made money? He did and she did. They did, that's the point. The husband and the wife made money because what was making money? The household was making money. And they were-- - They put the children. Absolutely, they put the children. That's how they learned how to make households themselves. What we've done is we've so disconnected this entire process from its foundational reality, which is the love of people expressed in goods and services that it's like, what are we even do? Why are we doing any of this? Why do you want money in the first place? What's it for? We don't even know. And you can't give a positive vision for how the woman should relate to money and the man too, by the way, until you've said, how did we get here and what is wrong with here? In this whole historic-- And we're like skipping a rock over this. There is so much here. I-- - Go ahead. I have an article. I won't say who sent it to me. But-- - I don't even know who sent it. - It's all about feminist ties to the CIA. - Okay, was it Eric? (laughing) Was it Eric? Tell me the truth. - But I really do. - It was Eric. - Like, the more I've learned about this, especially in the last years, I've been researching my book and Eric's been studying me his research. - So Eric, so Eric and I've been working on a book on the long house, which is in, we're still in the final stages before it goes to editing. - And I'm working on it. - And out of that. - And out of that. - We've been talking a lot. This is actually a good example of that economy I'm talking about. Like, Eric and I and Lexi, and a lot of us in the world of New Kristen and Prest, like our households, we've been talking about this. And so that's why Lexi has articles from about the CIA and feminist. - But knowing this really has put an end to the last tentacles of feminism in my mind of maybe I should pity myself because I'm realizing more and more to know this whole thing is a government siaop and I don't want anything to do with that. But can I just read these like few paragraphs? - Yeah, go ahead, I would love that. - Okay, the title of this is Too Faced Relationship Between CIA and Feminism. It's about feminism as a siaop, as a means to serve the wars in the Middle East, basically. But these few paragraphs, feminism, CIA relationship, the relationship between the CIA and feminism is not new. For example, it was revealed that Gloria Steinem, who was still considered a pioneer and respected feminist even today, was funded by the CIA from the early 1950s to the 1960s. This funding relationship is thought to have continued even longer, although Steinem has denied it. When asked about the topic, she praised her funders, saying that the CIA, both to liberal and nonviolent environment, the name of the foundation she founded with CIA funding was ironic, independent research service. Through this foundation, the work, she worked to disseminate feminist these in the world, especially in the US. The CIA calls such people change agents. The figures who make the public adopt arguments that the US established ordered deems appropriate are supported in various ways and are highlighted in the public sphere. One example of this that I learned from somewhere else was, I think it was her, when she established Miss magazine, which widely circulated these stories, women writing in saying, my husband has done XYZ thing to me, okay? Her investors, to make that magazine get off the ground, the government. ♪ Government ♪ ♪ So ♪ ♪ The CIA is editing ♪ I should write a little jingle about that. Well, I just did. That's just one example. I mean, there's so many more examples, but I just really do think it's important to know the history there. I want you guys all to buy the long housebook, not just because I am a publisher, who is obviously directly incentivized to tell you to buy the book, but because I genuinely believe that it is a massive, massive eye opener, especially some of the chapters on the history behind feminism, the long housing of America, an enormous amount of work has gone into this book, and it's not just like this isn't just a little quick, like chat GPT, first of all, none of our books are chat GPT, just so you know, that is gay and retarded. It is a lot of years of thinking and reading and looking into the abyss of historical roots of many of the things wrong with our nation and finding that they are related to this question of sex, piety, and the reason is that this is a satanic attack on the foundations of society itself in the man and the woman. It's always that. Where did Satan attack? The man and the woman. There's no other place to attack. It always has to come back to the man or the woman. This is one of the biggest vectors that has wrought devastation in the Christian West, is this exact attack. So when we're saying like, people here say, don't send your daughters to college, and they're like, this is not a big deal, guys. Why are you being so tradwifed, larpy? And you're like, there was another article actually that he sent me a screenshot of, and then Ari tried to find it and couldn't find it anymore that was titled when the CIA duped college students published by the New Yorker. Whoa. But it's not, he couldn't find it anymore, but that's the same thing. Why shouldn't we send our girls off to college? I need you to send me those links so that I can put them in the description to the articles. But we're running out of time for this episode. Let's put a bow on it and here's what we're gonna do. Next episode. Can I share two books so that would be helpful? Yeah, next episode, we are going to talk about what we think you should do in light of this, how the household economy should work, how the woman should relate to making money. But I would plug that. So this, it's funny because this episode and the next one it turns out are basically going to be like preview discussions about two books that we're actually publishing for Longhouse Book. And then next episode, we'll basically turn out to be talking about a lot of the themes in a book that we're publishing from. Someone you probably don't know their name, Adam Madden. Adam Madden is a local pastor that we have come to know in our community and just a great, great man, father of many children. But also a businessman. And what he has done is a great job at establishing household businesses that his children, his sons and his daughters have participated in and then ultimately even his now sons and like son and law. And so Eric's son married his daughter. They're members of our church and great, just great young family. But we'll talk more about some of the things that they've done as case studies for how the man and the woman worked together in the economy. 'Cause it's a great example. And that book is actually almost out. So it should be out any day now. We should have the pre-order open for that book. It's on the productive Christian household. But go ahead Lexie, what did you want to do? - I was going to say Wendell Berry's home economics is a really good one. He has an entire essay in there defending himself because he, in passing once said his wife helped him with his work by typing at the typewriter for him. And the feminist freaked out about that. And he basically said like she is an integral part of the household because of that. His book, Hannah Colter, is all about the strength of domesticity if you wanna read a novel on that whole thing. The other one I would recommend though is the natural family where it belongs by Ellen Carlson. I know he has many books on this topic, but that's the only one that I've read. And that's where I started to understand like, even the capitalists guilt in all of removing the household economy from the family. So that one is really helpful. - Yeah, those are good recommendations. You guys should pick those up. - I'm very excited for Adam's book. - Yeah, Adam's book is gonna be really good, very practical. It's not just about women by the way. It's actually mainly about the productive household, but it touches on how this stuff all relates together and works together. So that's all we've got for this episode guys. We will get practical in the next episode. We hope this was actually helpful though because you do need to understand how we got, where we got, if we're going to adequately solve the problem, we need to diagnose it. Unless you know what illness you have, what medicine do you take, like what course of action do you take? This is the illness that we have. Our society has been systematically dismantled. It's been systematically dismantled from the ground up of the household, of the man and the woman, and it's happened economically, socially, religiously, in every level. It's happened. And we need to go back and figure out where did this go off the rails. And yeah, we're not gonna be able to lark our way out of the problem in the sense that we cannot return to a pre-manufacturing world. It's not gonna happen. However, if we understand what manufacturing and what industrialization and globalization has done to us, then we can even in the midst of that world begin to build sane times, because it's never been about how the buttons got on the shirt. It's always been about who's shirt it is. Who is it? It's people. It's your people. It's wife, it's your children. It's your husband, it's your household. It's your friends and family in church, and it's your people, okay? So that is how we're gonna solve this problem. Is by figuring out how even in the midst of structural change, it's sweeping the world in the last centuries. We can return to the love of one another in Christian obedience to rebuild what's been broken. So thanks for listening. We will, as always, have an episode of in the kitchen this week for those who support the show on Patreon. Talk usually about a five to 10 minute, just like quick, practical talking about something in our household or something that folks there on Patreon asks, "Hey, can you cover this?" So if you'd like to support the show and support our productive household, then you can do that at patreon.com/brightharth. We have the link in the description down below. And everybody there gets early and ad free access to all these episodes a week early and also that weekly in the kitchen show. Thank you guys so much for listening. 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