The Canadian Movie Draft Live from Toronto!

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all right we have a few things planned for you but i i wanted to start by hearing from amanda about everything she knows about canada go okay uh mark carney prime minister yes yes okay one fact can you have another fact we are in ontario okay which is a province yes uh i had a lovely time this afternoon we went to kensington market is that the name yeah okay um you've all been lovely it's been a wonderful time and i'm so excited to be here and i'm so excited to be here i'm so excited to be here i'm so excited to be here so i'm so excited to be here i'm so excited to be here i'm so excited to be here i'm so excited to be here i'm so excited so 24 hours in on canada very pro we'll see how the rest of this evening goes um no but it's so exciting to be here thank you to thank you to tiff thank you to anita for the introduction thank you all for coming um it's great to have an excuse to you know travel internationally which you know i love to do this is this is also an excuse to do one of my favorite things which is trivia would you like to start with some trivia all right okay hold on i'm getting a drink and then i'll open the we've concocted a drink and then i'll open the we've concocted a drink and then i'll open the we've concocted some trivia questions for you we've we've also brought some prizes for those who answer the trivia correctly now those prizes include from our friends at criterion blu-rays and 4ks canada related and also some special prizes from tiff so thank you to both criterion and tiff for that are you ready i think so i just got to find this doc oh good here we go okay just so you know we're not i'm not on the real real like we're asking trivia questions yeah and don't like google stuff during the live show these people paid money they went on a website they waited i thought that you first of all there's a separate app for the real real but um i thought you were saying that they shouldn't google during trivia well definitely this is an honor system you'll be ejected from the premises if you do that also just want to say we can sort of see you we tested the lights and this is the best that our old eyes can do but so we can sort of monitor phones and we're gonna do our best to you know call on the first person who raises their hand please wait until the question is done and do you want to answer that question so we're going to do our best to you know call on the first person give your speech about not answering if you don't know the answer if you don't know the answer don't raise your hand yeah that's a it's a simple request yeah and a logical one i think um let's begin okay so the first one i have the first question now raise your hand if you know it and if you again if you don't know it don't here we go which canadian filmmaker has the most films in the criterion collection and can you name those films all right he's this fellow's had his hand raised right yeah right yeah you're right here sir um it's david cronenberg that's correct can you name the films can do um naked lunch naked lunch is one the shrouds the shrouds is two the brood the brood is three videodrome videodrome is four oh no uh hold on hold on uh scanners scanners is five no do not yell answers from the crowd please you don't get the dvds sorry the blu-rays anything else you want to try okay this gentleman right here okay in the white t-shirt you did a really great job and he sprung this second question on you i believe there's two more are the history of violence and crash that's correct okay is that all of them is that the whole list i think so let's go through it we've got the brood scanners videodrome dead ringers naked lunch crash history of violence and the shrouds no one said dead yeah see i'll tell you what the system is not perfected you two should split the package yeah how about that okay in the spirit of a social safety net which you have here in this fine country we're being generous all right amanda you're up i think this is this is a little more straightforward how many short films about glenn gould comprise the 1993 biographical film directed by francois gerard you have a front row seat so i don't know whether you need to be hogging it okay up there pointing you need to be hogging it okay up there pointing you need to be hogging it okay up there yes so i'm sorry that's unfair but so is life yes ma'am yeah you there you go that is correct okay this one's a little bit more involved i like the involved questions eight canadian-born actors have won an academy award for performance name three and sean is looking for both the actor and the performance yeah oh all this grumbling oh yeah it's okay the hand was up and up sternly and then slowly shrunk down i want the man in the athletics hat is that an athletic okay it seems like you want are you from oakland okay give this man a microphone is it a moneyball situation okay so it's sort of a chris ryan thing you have going on the microphone's being passed to you okay so what i know for sure is christopher plumber in bc beginners that is one correct um i think there was it's not young mr lincoln is it raymond massey no no no but i like that you went you know for not a deep cut but yeah yeah you went okay anyone else that's all one's off the board christopher plumber okay i see where is the national pride right here this is making us feel a little bit better about what's going to come next okay so you sir but please wait for the microphone um you should work together here so collaborate with your neighbor yeah you i mean i think there's more than one thing in the bag so once again you all can divvy them up as you so right here is where we're looking for the the microphone and we need two more you better not be on that tiff public i don't know if i i know about you guys i've been you before trust me i love trivia why are these i love to cheat why are these not in chronological order uh they're in order by how you thought of them no category there's of course best actor best actress best supporting actor and it's always something with him okay you have the microphone all right um for some reason i've got a little lump in my stomach think i may be wrong here but brendan frazier for the whale yes correct okay so that's two you need one more anyone oh it's gonna okay team effort okay all right i see i see one more over here and you've been confident so we're gonna go over here in the corner oh microphone there you go okay uh and paquin and the piano that there you go okay will you guys meet up later yeah yeah just for the information okay uh would you like to hear the other friends but um well mary pickford she won for coquette in 1929 where were you guys when that happened were you supporting her 1930 one year later norma shearer won for the divorcee 1931 marie dresler won for mina and bill 1946 a very famous win harold russell won for the best years of our lives you've seen that film 1948 walter houston who is a canadian won for treasure of the sierra madre and then uh you guys forgot about brie larson who won for room yeah oh someone's girl someone's girl is he in this room we don't know with us tonight it's the girl yeah all right no the next is the girl with us tonight this is a very long question brie larson for third chair okay the five highest grossing films worldwide so far this year are all u.s productions the super mario galaxy movie michael toy story 5 the devil wears prod 2 and project tell mary what movie having earned 656 million dollars globally is number six wow i'm okay i'm getting good at this all right okay you were first in the in the in the that looks like a pink peach shirt is it obsession no it's not it is not obsessed yeah i'll give you a hint it's not a u.s production yeah okay right here in front yeah wait it is not nirvana no let's there's that national pride we can wish it in yeah anyone else okay right here in the front is it the furious it is not wow you guys are not going to get this yeah yeah Okay. Well, everyone's OK. One right here in front, please. In the in the third row. I like your confidence. Don't don't don't put the hand down now. Put it up high. Yeah. Believe in yourself. That's right. Space was a space for world cinema. Yeah. Oh, my God. OK. It's fun when it's other people. Is it undertone? It is not. It's not. I'm going to give one more guess and then we're going to burn those Blu-rays right in front of you. Oh, you know what? This this is really messed up. We have totally been overlooking the balcony and that's unfair. All right, man in the balcony. I don't know if they're going to get a microphone to you. So you're just going to shout really loud. Is it Pegasus 2? So close. Oh, my God. It's Pegasus 3. But you know what? For the effort. Yeah. You got it, brother. That's true. Have you seen Pegasus 2? No. OK. I haven't seen it either. It's a Chinese production and it is wildly successful in China. Next one. Yes, I read that one. OK, so we're here during this wonderful Christopher Nolan presentation and ahead of his next film, which is The Odyssey, there have been many adaptations of The Odyssey. What is the name of the most recent adaptation and who portrayed Odysseus and Penelope? OK, some people over there, I can hear you whispering. OK, so it doesn't count until you get called on. Sean, you call on somebody. You there, the woman in the glasses with your hand up. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. You're the person with you pushed your hand up. Is it called The Return and Odysseus is played by Ralph Fiennes and Penelope by Juliette Binoche? You got it. Wow. Bang. Well done. You've reordered things here, but then you have a segue. So would you like to do the speaking of Nolan next? Oh, sure. OK, there you go. Thank you, Amanda. OK, that's called live producing. Speaking of Nolan, what was his first Oscar nomination, the film and the category? OK, over there in the yeah, in this corner. Best original screenplay, Memento. OK, second question. Who else was nominated with him in that category? Fuck. No. Who would he who is he nominated with? Oh, Memento. Memento. I was going to say Wes Anderson, Royal Tenenbaums. Let's see here. No, no, no. Jonathan Nolan. There you go. There you go. There you go. Bravo. OK. In the instant cult classic M. Night Shyamalan film, A Trap, the Rogers Center, or at least its exteriors, hosts a concert for which fictional pop star? OK, you know what? I love the confidence. OK, back there. Well, you know, you already answer. No. Yeah, you answered, I think. OK, right here, sir. Yes, you're. Yes. Is it Lady Raven? It is. Whoa. OK, that makes me feel so good. Yeah, me too. Trap. Yeah. Trap. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much. God damn it. That feels so good. OK, this is a one battle after another question. And there's a bonus prize with this question. There's a very rare object in our culture. It's called the one battle after another steelbook. Hush over the crowd. These are sold out. Can't get these anymore. One battle after another is Paul Thomas Anderson's seventh collaboration with Johnny Greenwood. But the film memorably ends with Willa reading perfidious letter as a score from a different composer is played. Who is the composer? The woman right in dead center here with glasses. That is correct. Bingo. Can someone please bring this fine steelbook to her? You want to do this one because it's written in the first person? Although I agree with the sentiment. OK, and then I'll. I will. OK. Nirvana, the band, the movie, the show. Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie. Sorry about that. It's set in this fair city. It's one of my favorite movies of 2020. 26 director Matt Johnson has directed four other feature films, including a new film set to be released on August 7th, at least in the United States by a 24 name. The four films. Look at all these Canadians with their hands raised. Why don't you pick it? OK, we'll do right here. The in the second row. Yes, you in the middle of the. Yes, sorry. I was. I was thinking you in the white shirt, but you guys kiss. You kiss first and then you decide. We're cousins. We're cousins. We're cousins. We're cousins. Kissing cousins. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Pause. All right. All four. OK. All four. That's been released? Yes. Or coming. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. All four, including the fourth coming film. Yeah. Oh, OK. Tony. Correct. We already said that one. So four other. Three more after that. So three more. Blackberry. Yes. Yes. Operation Avalanche. Correct. The Dirties. That is correct. Bingo. Thanks, guys. OK. And now, since we are here for our last question, we will be doing a question about America. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but a long time ago, I had a Canadian girlfriend at camp and her name's Brie. We were supposed to do like this kind of before. Before Sunset thing and meet at TIFF on a very special. Have you guys seen her at all or no? All right. Well, then ask your trivia question. It's Chris Ryan, everybody. Chris Ryan. What's up, Canada? It's great to see you. I decided to wear something vaguely Maple Leaf coated, but if you want me to wear a Kawhi half jersey, Joe Carter, second half jersey, it's going to be five bucks on my Patreon. So great to be here. You're not eligible for this question. I didn't put this in the doc, but I want to do an honor system. If there are any actual American citizens here, people who lived in America. Shame on you. Truly. And but also don't answer this question. This is for the Canadians. Can you name 15 American states that are not New York or California? OK. All right. Go. Delaware. One. Connecticut. Two. So just not New York and California. Stop filibustering. New Jersey. Three. Alaska. Four. New Hampshire. Five. North Dakota. Six. South Dakota. Seven. North Carolina. Eight. South Carolina. Nine. Some cheat codes there for you. Alaska. Already said it. Yeah, brother. What? Oh, did I say it? OK. I got the rest. West Virginia. OK. Nevada. Yes. Utah. Colorado. 13. And then let's do. Let's do New Mexico and Texas. 14, 15. There you go. Well done. You don't get a prize bag. You get U.S. citizenship. Congratulations. Did you notice he said Delaware first? Biden strong. Where are you at on Biden these days? You know what? I miss him. Bring him back. I miss him. Yeah. Would you guys elect him prime minister? OK. Just checking in on that. That'll be the last time we mention that person's name. We do have another name to mention, though. This isn't the Joe Biden draft? No. Favorite, favorite Biden policies? No. It was sort of a Biden-esque entrance that he just said, where am I? Anyway. We have another special guest with us. And we indicated something about him in one of the trivia questions. He is a fellow Canadian. He's a writer, director, filmmaker, producer, and a friend of the show. Please welcome Toronto's own Matt Johnson. I was so ashamed at you guys and those trivia questions. Because originally I was like, well, you're not going to get a more Toronto cinephile crowd than this. And you bombed. You bombed. Not knowing Dead Ringers? I quote that movie in awards speech, in awards speeches. That's like a major movie. It's also hilarious. Has anybody here seen Dead Ringers? Do you know what it's about? Yeah. So, yeah, that's the answer. Yeah. Anyway, you guys are on fire. I have to say thank you from our whole country for coming here. There's nothing Canadians love more than when the celebrities show up. There's nothing we love more because it makes us all feel like. We're real. Well, you're real. You're real to us as well. You told me I would be asking you guys the questions. No, no, that's not the case. I'm only used to asking you questions. So I'm happy you're here. I have a really important question for you. And we can riff and vamp on this. But specifically, the plan for tonight's episode is to do the Canadian movie draft. Oh, great. Okay. So the three of us and another special guest will draft Canadian movies. And we've created some categories and done-- - Yes, they're behind us on this whiteboard. you can read them. You don't have to comment on that right now? One entire category is Gosling. Yeah, let's read the rest. Then we have Cronenberg. We have Cameron, James, or Villeneuve, Denis. I got my pick there. Then Canadian director, Canadian star, and Toronto, which is the full name of that category is Toronto Plays Itself or Somewhere Else. Any film that is set in Toronto or has been shot in Toronto, standing in for another city, is eligible in that category. Here's the question for you. Honestly, feel free to take as long as you'd like to answer this question. People will love that. What makes a movie Canadian? Depends who you ask. We're asking you. Okay, look. I couldn't get James Cameron. You don't know that. You don't know that. Avatar is in trouble. He might have said yes. Okay. Now look. There's a joke in this country and that is that you can tell a movie is Canadian because there's an uncanny valley as you watch it and you're like, this just doesn't seem like a real movie. That's not the answer you're looking for, though. That's what we would say if we'd like, you would say, oh, this looks very Canadian, almost as an insult. When I was going to film school, you'd be like, oh, yeah, this looks very Canadian. And that would be a way to be like, what does that mean, though? Because there's less money in the production or you know what? There's a lot of things that go into it, but there is a certain aspect of reality. If you've never made a movie before, people here who have will know it is. It's not as easy as just setting up the camera and filming what you wrote. Like, there's a huge amount of craft that goes into actually making it feel, for lack of a better word, real. And in Canada, for a long time, we just hadn't figured that out. So now I would say what makes a movie Canadian, when you're watching it, at least nowadays, is that it is so tied to the point of view of the filmmaker. And I mean, if I'm talking about the last decade in this country, it would mean that it is very, very specific, typically autobiographical in some way, and is endemic to the place. So strangely, like the fact that you're having Toronto as a location, but in other movies like Good Will Hunting, etc., which I imagine is going to be very high on that. Well, you'll have to watch and find out. I think it might. Well, I'm trying to think of a more. Okay, sure. Maybe I'm giving stuff away. Sure. But now that actually has a big piece of it, like the actual geography. Like, it's no. Letterkenny, I remember when I was in the United States. There were so. Yes, yes, yes. Jared's a great guy. There were so many people who were like, oh, I love that show. It's the best. Canada is so crazy. They felt the same way before, I think, about Trailer Park Boys. And from my own experience, when I would travel and screen Nirvana the Band, I've made this joke before, but I think that Canada is seen as a bit of a sci-fi premise, like as a country. And so I think just the location of this place is kind of what makes a movie Canadian in a lot of ways, just because it's slightly different. I've told this joke also before, but did I tell you what the German film students said to me after the world premiere of Nirvana the Band, the show? What did they say? So at the South by Southwest Film Festival, there's this group of three young German, very, very high energy film students who were like, oh my God, this movie's unbelievable. I can't believe what you're doing. And I was like, yeah, yeah. I know, it's pretty crazy, right? Were they Werner Herzog? That's why they're like, you know, my Werner Herzog impression is different. This is the north of Bavarian accent. We can't believe you're so crazy. How did you do this? And I was like, so what specifically do you mean? Like, I know we break the law a lot, and they was like, so much jaywalking! And, I mean, that kind of sums it up. I think that there's things that we don't even notice are interesting about our country or our city, that when you travel them, other people really seem to love. And before, we were very shy about that, because I'll never forget, I was making Nirvana the Band as a TV show, and some of the advice that I got from somebody who'd made a show similarly who was older than me was, whatever you do, do not make it obvious it's set in Toronto. Set it in a nameless city that seems like it could be America, like it's gonna be the death of it if you do that. And I would say that that just in the last ten years has really changed. I was wondering about specifically Nirvana, because Toronto is such an essential ingredient to the series, but how much did you worry about making it coherent? Because a lot of times when you're capturing a city, like for example, Chris's beloved Michael Mann, if you've seen the film Collateral, the geography. It's like Grand Theft Auto. A little bit. How did you get from that part of town to that part of town in four minutes in Jamie Foxx's cab? Do you worry about those things? Michael Mann assures me that it's possible. He has assured me. He told me, yeah. He did? Yeah. We did an interview with him when we did Heat for Rewatchables, and he was just like, it's possible. It's like that podcast where, what was that big, huge crime podcast that first got famous, and then they tried to redo the drive that the murderer did? Serial. Serial. Yeah. Yeah, and I didn't believe that guy either. So, you know what? The answer is, obviously you watch a movie like Nirvana the Band, and then you say, were you worried about its coherence? The answer is no. But, the geographical, like, it gets a big laugh every time the movie screens in Toronto, and we show, like, the Much Music building, and then right across the street is the Paradise Theater, and then you look back and it's another part of the city, and of course, to you guys that means nothing, but to us, that's all we've got. Like, this is a city with only four streets. And so, if you mess, if you accidentally turn Queen Street into College or Bloor, people are like, wait a minute, you just wasted a whole street. We don't have that many of those. So, we knew that we were doing it when we did it, but we just couldn't. Like, and I think even the people from Toronto forgave us. I mean, they're all here, so we can ask them. In America, they have no idea. They just think it's one magical street where the Rivoli and McDonald's are on one side, and then the Paradise Theater with the guts. No, did we use the exterior of the Paradise for both? Yeah. And the Paradise Theater's on the other. And they come here, and they're like, where is it all? So, to us, at least to this arrogant American who has had David Cronenberg, Sofia Romavari, Chandler Levesque, and yourself on the show just this year, it does feel like there's like a moment happening with Canadian film, or at least we made four movies. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's so funny because you think about that comparison in America, and it was like, wow, four movies got made. I would say you're just getting to the foot of the problem that we have in our country, which is that movies just do not get made nearly at the rate as they do in your country or in the rest of the world. And that's starting to change. And I hope I remember when I first made The Dirties, I thought, oh, wow, now that it's been proven that an idiot like me with no money can make a movie that plays outside of Canada, everybody's going to do that. And it seems like it was like a decade later that people started doing it. But, again, I think that I mean, I don't want to think that that, no, I'm not going to say anything negative. But do you think that there is, is that just my little periscope view of things? No, no, it feels that way here too. No, it feels that way here too. But, again, what's happening is just that four people made movies. And it really isn't deeper than that, in my opinion. Now, look, the sad part of that story is one of those filmmakers is David Cronenberg, and the other three are, like, in the middle of their career. It's not like me, Sophie, and Chandler are fresh out of film school kids, and it's a miracle. I wish that were the case. I'm going to get excited when a 22-year-old film school grad shows up and has made some masterpiece that changes the world. Then we'll really be on the map. Right? And so, and that is coming. I guarantee it's coming. But this is great, and I love it. Any time that Canada gets mentioned in the same sentence as the word cinema, I think it's a miracle. Um, but I don't think we're there yet. And that's not a pessimistic point of view. That's an optimistic point of view. Do you have any films that we might think are eligible for the Canadian Movies Draft that you would like to strike off of the board? There's so many of those that you would need to start saying them because there's so, so, so many. Like, I think a lot of movies that get even made by Canadians that everybody thinks of as Canadian movies are just, like, we don't consider them Canadian movies. Like Dune 2. Get real. Yeah. That's a movie shot in Australia, my man. And I think that Denis is the only Canadian and the storyboard artist who's a real genius, a guy named Sam Hudecky. I think it's the only two Canadians on. Sam, get a woo? Somebody there knows the storyboard artists of Dune. Yeah, he truly is a genius, but no, that's not a Canadian movie, not even close. I don't even think Denis would call that a Canadian movie. Okay. Go ahead. Well, I just, I mean, is the entire crowd going to rebel at us then? Yeah. How do you think this is going to go? Well, you got to make sure you're picking, like, movies that, when you think of them, it's like, oh, yeah, I can't believe that movie even got made. It's a miracle anybody saw it, and on Letterboxd it has, like, 20,000 views. That's your ceiling for a Canadian movie. That's not going to be a good draft, Matt. Yeah. That's not going to work here, bro. Well, then you are having an American movie draft. I'm sorry to tell you. Until you're talking about movies by, like, Don Owens. Someone's about to take Titanic in this - Okay, yeah. - So it's like this. So, but with that in mind, you did a thing that so many of the directors that I think we'll talk about today did, which is you went to maybe not specifically Hollywood, but you went to America to make a movie. Yes, yes, yes. And so I'm curious, like, how you thought about that, whether that meant anything to make that choice. I was just sick of this country. I was ready to go. And it was about time. No, you know what's so funny? I think that there's a misapprehension around Canadians who leave to America to make and then almost become de facto Americans and those who just make movies in America. And if I had moved, then maybe I would feel like I was more on the hot seat right now. But I don't feel that way at all. If Americans are going to pay for me to make movies in their country, I'll take that deal a hundred times. And I wouldn't begrudge any other. I wouldn't begrudge any other filmmaker who did that also, because one of the big challenges we have, and I'm talking about mostly young filmmakers in this country, is that it's so hard to get reps in. In America, Michael Mann is such an amazing example, actually. He's a guy who's just always working all the time. His stuff is always getting financed. And if you look at the course of his career, his early, early, early stuff is nowhere close to where he gets mid-career. And it's because he's done so much, because there's so much money for filmmakers to keep going. And you can have small films that fail. Or even medium films that fail and keep going. In Canada, it takes so long to get the financing for a movie together that even somebody like David Cronenberg is waiting three, four years between movies not by choice, right? I'm sure if he could, he would be making them again and again and again and again and again. So, I'll always take opportunities to make movies. I mean, I'm making a movie about Magic the Gathering in Australia, just like with the same team that made Dune. It's the same producer. So, yeah. I'm not. I love it. Well, that movie. Would you be eligible for the. Not at all. Canadian director! Yeah. Well, you might as well put Terminator up there. Get real. It might go up there. Really? I'm trying to think of the closest you could get. Like, what is the absolute peak of the mountain in terms of a Canadian movie? Well, I was going to say, do you want. Get real? What? Someone yelled Ghostbusters. It's not even close. Matt is going to run into the crowd. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. Do you have a favorite actual Canadian movie? Mine is The Fly. I think. I think The Fly is a true masterpiece that shows Canada off so well. It's got some writing issues. We can go into that later. But then there's another film that you guys have definitely never, ever seen, shot in Toronto by a director named Don Owens called No One Waved Goodbye. And this is an unbelievable masterpiece that is hugely influential, especially in, like, Toronto cinema. I'm ripping him off all the time. But the absolute top, like, what is the best? That's what the draft is? Strange Brew? Strange Brew? Maybe Brain Candy? Like. Silent Partner is okay. Let's not. Crazy? Yeah, yeah. Crazy is actually great. Let's not draft before the draft. Are we. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought what you guys were looking for was the inside track. So they. But then I realized you're competing against one another. Yeah. Also, like, I'm asking this now instead of three days ago when I could have, you know, done some prep. Done some prep. So that was a mistake on my part. I'm getting the sense that you guys might really get destroyed by this crowd and that. Okay. You know what? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to do. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Because. Are you rooting for that? No. I want you to win. It's okay. There's. You want me to win or you want us to win collectively? Because that's not how drafts go. I want the Americans to leave happy. Yeah. Okay. We always do, brother. That's what I want. We always. It's ironic because this is typically a competition amongst us. Yeah, yeah. But you're saying tonight it's against them. Well, you know, I mean, you're going to find out. Do you think that they'll name even one actual Canadian movie? No. It's hard. Look at my list. I got one? I made this joke before, but the tragedy of Canadian movies is that really Canadians don't even know. You showed this in the trivia. Canadians don't even know Canadian movies. The average American filmgoer probably knows the same number of Canadian movies as a Canadian filmgoer. Well, we have a very loose definition of Canadian movie tonight. As we're about to find out. Yeah. Good to be real, guys. You're more Irish Catholic and we're more agnostic. Basically, for you, any Kevin Smith movie is going to be a Canadian movie. Yeah. You should be at a new category. That would have been fun. Yeah. I could draft Mallrats. Let's go. He went to the Vancouver Film School. So that counts. Wow. Okay. Maybe we should swap out the Villeneuve category for Kevin Smith. Okay. Don't do that. Okay. Last question for you, Matt. Will you come back to Canada to make a film ever again? I'm making one already. I'm making one right now. Right now? Yeah. Right now? Yeah. Right now? Yeah. Right now? Yeah. Right now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do you mean come back? I live on Roncesvalles. I went to America for three months to shoot that movie and it was the worst time in my life. I hated it. We're sorry about that. I couldn't believe it. It had nothing to do with the Americans. But yeah, you know, I tell people when I come back, because we've screened Nirvana the Band internationally so much. And it's been such a horror. And it's been such a hopeful message that I've received, which is that for the very first time I've heard from young film students in America, wow, I wish I could have been a Canadian. And that's the first time I'd ever, it's been the opposite. When I went to film school, we all would have killed to have been born an American citizen, to be going to USC or Tisch School of the Arts. Like we would have killed. And to see it even slightly inverting is the miracle of my life. So we're going to be getting a lot of your filmmakers now, and we're going to be putting on these little half sarcastic trivia games in your country saying, oh, does this even count as an American movie? You guys like John Ford movies? I mean, it's a Canadian anyway. Yeah. When our cultural production has dwarfed you and you're all, I'm trying to think of what that would mean, what would you even need to learn? The thing is people don't even sing the national anthem here anymore. We've got, we've got no culture left. I'll tell you one thing. Yeah. I'd be happy to send Boba Shett back to this country. I don't, you know, no, no, no, it's his fault. It's not my fault. He seems like a nice man. Uh, he's a baseball player. He was a, he was a Blue Jay for some time. He actually directed anything. He hasn't made any films. He's only broken my dreams. Okay. Um, thank you for having me guys. Thank you so much. I really enjoyed this. Thank you, Matt. Please treat these guys nice. Thank you, Jason. Goodbye. You are the best. Okay. Thank you. Walked right into that, you know, well, it was always going to be this way, you know, but that's, listen, I was warned by Jack Sanders not to make a Boba Shett reference and I did it anyway. Um, Matt Johnson, God, the fucking man, right? It is cool. It is cool. When a native son has such an incredible moment. Um, one of the all time great guests on this show. Uh, but it's time to bring on another guest. One of the, one of the greatest guests in the history of this show. Yeah. Uh, he is of course our mean pod guy. Please welcome critic, author, genius, Adam Naiman. Okay. Thank you. Hey guys. Hi Adam. Americans used to dodge drafts here. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Hey, don't, don't count us out. It might come again. Yeah. I'm also glad you platformed an obscure underexposed filmmaker like Matt. Sure. Yeah. We don't hear from him enough. Okay. Okay. Um, what did you make of all that preamble about what is and is not Canadian? Well, there wasn't volume in the back for a while. Okay. And then I heard the trivia stuff kind of dying. Okay. Okay. Then I heard Matt talking and he's a lot of that is right. Okay. You know, and, but what was wrong? It's a long conversation, but I, but I think the question I heard Matt talking about that question. Um, I heard Matt talking about that kind of uncanny Valley. Like we have such a pop cultural inferiority complex because you guys are our baseline and movies are different than music or TV. Like there was always legislation around like, you know, songs will get played on the radio along with. It's like when you grow up, you're like the tragically hip and you two are the same. Right. Or, and that they're the same, you know, they're on, they're on the, the, the top 10 countdown. Yeah. And, and, and TV and TV, there's a lot of very robust production, certain kind of respect for Canadian TV, but with movies, it's hard. Like English Canadian movies are made in the same language as American movies. They're kind of not made at the same budget level. You know, like one of the, the course I teach at U of T about Toronto film, I'm like the first ones you're gonna look at it, like from the mid 1950s or early sixties, Matt mentioned, nobody waved goodbye. So I'm like, this is the primal scene, 1964, you know, what's been made at this point elsewhere, everything. I mean, it's 1964, like they've made La Ventura. They've made psycho. The French new wave is like happened. I mean, it's, it's really interesting to talk about why that is. There's no studios, there's no infrastructure. Like any Toronto movie made before 1960 is a totally independent gesture. And it often copies what's being made in the States, like horror or like a lot of teen juvenile delinquency movies, which is essentially what nobody waved goodbye is. And when Matt says that he's copying, nobody waved goodbye, like it's a very intelligent comment because Toronto movies are all about shooting without permission, running around like that was a movie that was commissioned by the NFP. as a documentary about juvenile delinquents in Montreal. And he's like, how about a fictional movie about a kid in Toronto, you know? And the NFB was like, they made that behind our back, but also people actually like this movie. So like a lot of English Canadian films are about getting away with something and then hoping people will pay the barest amount of attention to it because we live in the shadow of you guys, which is working out extremely well politically as well. I love where we're located. It's been great to be this close. Have you guys thought about introducing Transformers to your cinema? And do you think that would raise the bar a little bit economically, you know, Megatron? It was buried at sea. Soundwave. Megatron was buried at sea. I had a Soundwave toy, man. You know, I collected Transformers. We don't push back and Canadian cinemas don't either. I mean, it's an ugly thing to talk about sometimes and there may be people who don't. There may be people in the industry here, but it's like, you know, in the 70s, movie theaters actually invested in Canadian movies to put a gun to their own head to show them, right? We put money in these movies. This is the only way we will show them is we are literally trying to get our own money back from it. I mean, some movies do really well. I mean, Nirvana and Blue Heron, like they've played consistently in actual movie theaters. You can split those definitions very finely about like what an actual movie theater is and like what's mainstream and what's arthouse, but it's hard to get that kind of sustained traction. And I always think about this idea of movies breaking containment, which is like what might a normal person go see on a Tuesday? And I know normal is a tough word, but festival circuit, like people say that English Canadian cinema is like a foreign cinema in its own country or something you watch in school or something you watch with the rhetorical equivalent of a gun to your head, which isn't right. It isn't the way most people feel, but I hear people laughing because it's kind of true. And I teach Canadian films in school and I ask my students, I'm like, how many of you last voluntarily watched a Canadian movie? And they're like, I don't know. And then I'm like, what about a Matt Johnson movie? And they go, yeah, we watched that because that's a real thing that's kind of happened. And my students this year were super excited and interested in Blue Heron. So the thing you've identified as happening is kind of happening. Now, whether those movies represent something narrow in terms of authorship, representation, you know, race, subject matter, that's a really actually interesting conversation to have, but I'm sure very soon we're going to be drafting the Terminator. I was going to say, do you think we're the best people to have that conversation in this country? Sean, my friend, you came here. And for some reason you've invited me. When we started talking about this, what did you think about this as a subject matter? Did you think, I'm locked and loaded. I know what my six picks are. Well, you have a way of making up interesting categories. So I couldn't read your mind until the categories showed up. But no, I will be completely honest. I had the instinct of, okay, so now I got to do some Googling to figure out which movies I already know and love are in fact Canadian. And I'm sorry, you know, but that's, and I didn't even say it with a Canadian accent, but I thought that there was a lot that I, that American cinema has just sort of slurped up that I'm sure I'm familiar with, but that is maybe not, would not meet Matt Johnson's definition of Canadian cinema. I think I've got a couple in there now. - Does anyone follow Chris Ryan? Does anyone follow Chris Ryan on Letterboxd? You should. Do people see, you guys see him logging Videodrome like an hour and a half ago? - No, but it was a rewatch though. - It was a rewatch. - I was just getting like lubricated for tonight. - How did you think about this, this endeavor? - I thought it was going to be a lot harder. I did not know the categories until obviously you decided to reveal them. And I thought it was going to be much more like deep, Egoyan knowledge. And I was like, all right. - Well, why isn't it? You made the game. - But you could use deep Egoyan knowledge here today. - No, I can do that, but I'm just saying like, you can paint your picture. - Listen, you can rope a couple of wiffle balls with Gosling and stuff like that. And that's cool. - Well, here's the thing. - I think I sent you an email. I think one of my suggestions was best incest and it was ignored. - That's why I'm the host, you know? - Meet me after the show, Adam, and we can break that down. - I think what I was aiming for was some balance regarding the interest of the show and paying respect and homage to the wonderful cultural history of this nation. - Classic centrist show. - Right? - Yeah. - I'm staying right down the middle. We have to figure out a draft order. I mean, Amanda, you want to reread those categories so we can kind of be psychologically prepared for this before getting the order? - We have Ryan Gosling, David Cronenberg, Cameron James or Villeneuve-Denis, Canadian director, and star, and Toronto Plays Itself or Somewhere Else. - It's worth mentioning Canadian director cannot include Cronenberg, Cameron or Villeneuve and Canadian star. - Was it originally Ryan Gosling and Ryan Reynolds? - That was your suggestion. - Yeah. - But I had a whole thing about picking a movie from before when Reynolds' eyes went dead and I thought it was going to get a good line, but we can't do it. - Of course we can. There's plenty of room for it in Canadian star. - Right, okay. - So don't spoil your own draft. - I'm going to repeat the jokes. - All right, we're going to need a draft order, so let's hear it. - I just want to be fully transparent backstage. Amanda Dobbins accused me of cooking the books, of rigging the draft order. - Well, let's just, Jack, why don't you share with the people the timeline of how this was determined? - It was determined quite simply before I came over here from the wonderful hotel. I ripped four individual pieces of paper, wrote all of your amazing names on them, put them in my Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie hat. - Sean took you to a DVD store. - Okay, okay. All right, all right. - Thank you to Bay Street Video. - Yeah, I'm just saying, was that, did you-- - Yeah. - An amazing, an amazing institution. - Anyway, Jack announced at 6:30 PM tonight that he already knew the draft order. - That's correct. - And I would just like to say that, you know, I have some questions. - Honestly, I'm not going to lie. It like feels pretty good. - Okay, all right. - I like that you're on tilt a little bit here. Drafting first, Chris Ryan. - That's, that's good. That's correct. Wow, you guys, that's not very nice of you guys. Okay. - Drafting second, Chris Ryan. - Okay. - Amanda Dobbins. - Mm. - Okay. - What the fuck is this? - Drafting third, not going to like this. Sean Fennessey. - Yeah. - And drafting fourth, Adam Neyman. - But I'll tell you, the turn is fun. - The turn's fun. - Yeah. Adam is like, no, it's not fun. So, and this is, yeah, Elizabeth's putting the, in order. - Okay. - Okay. - And fourth is Adam Neyman, yeah. - So you're feeling wounded? - Always. - Okay. - You're feeling elated? - I'm playing free. This is an awesome draft. There's also, I'm also not like, I am not like going to be overwhelmed by the idea of not getting some Gosling or Cameron movie. Like I'm playing deep cuts. I'm playing personal faves. I'm honoring our hosts. And that is why Elizabeth is going to have to dig deep in the cards for my first pick, which will be Videodrome in Cronenberg. And this is my favorite Cronenberg. I rewatched it last night. I just want to let everybody know I watched a lot of fucking movies before Letterboxd. And I didn't go in and just like log them all and be like, just so you know, I did this in 1989. It's just like, this is what I do. He has a lot of comments on my Letterboxd habits. - What did I, what do I say? - You're like, oh, how you watch five seconds of a movie and log it. - Yeah. - And it's like, that's not true. - Chris goes to YouTube and he watches three minutes of a movie and he's like, bang, knock that out. Heart, Sweet Hereafter, done. Exotica, done. Saw the trailer. Boom, log that joint. - I watched Billions on Shorts. Come on. Videodrome, I am an active Reddit poster under the name, Brian Oblivion. This movie predicted the following 35 years that would come after it. It is still in one of my favorite, probably top two, top two James Woods performances. How about that? That's a cool draft. - And Byron de la Beckwith from Ghost of Mississippi is number one. - And it is. Just such a haunting portrait of mass media and also human desire and violence. And I just adore this movie. So I wanted to get it first. - That's a great one. This is a favorite of yours as well. Do you feel, how do you feel right now? - Yeah, my favorite day every year is showing Videodrome to students who haven't seen it. And they just buzz and levitate and wanna talk about it because it's amazing. And it's such a Toronto coded movie. How many people here have seen Videodrome? Yeah. - So you guys know that there's a famous story about Cronenberg going to get funding. He tries to go down to LA and he's in a meeting with Lorne Michaels and Moses Nimer, which someone should write a one-act play about. And you know, Moses Nimer was the impresario of City TV. And without putting words in anyone's mouth, he was not very nice to David. So the scene in Videodrome where a civic TV executive named Moses gets his head blown off is very satisfying. - Spoiler, yeah. - But Brian Oblivion's also obviously Marshall McLuhan, right? So you can't get more Toronto coded than a kind of stand in for, for, you know. - Yeah. - For Marshall McLuhan. And it's just like, this is the greatest movie ever. - I actually have Marshall McLuhan right behind the. - That was a good joke. - Thank you. - Not gonna say where it's from though. - No. - Non-Canadian filmmaker, Woody Allen. - You know nothing of my work. All right, Amanda, you got the second pick. - Yeah, but you know, Chris, normally when he gets first pick, you know, throws a curve ball and that was just like respectable and you know, honoring Canadian filmmakers. - I tip my cap to this guy over here. Instead of Die Hard with a Vengeance for Iron Man 3 or whatever. did they shoot any of iron man 3 i think they did some exteriors yeah okay yeah so now it's like you know i gotta i gotta do something with dignity also i can't totally go crazy i disagree i think we left dignity back in like 2018 it's really very true um but i think i have something it's fairly obvious but it's still from the heart so that seems like a good so in and cameron or villeneuve i will take arrival which is my favorite denis villeneuve movie and also i believe filmed in canada at least parts of it no one's saying yes okay um those aliens live here right that's why they have to come here um i think that this is an incredibly beautiful uh and upsetting and um memorable movie about you know obviously aliens and and you know how they talk them and let's be real it handles the aliens i didn't laugh like when the alien came out in disclosure day but um there's something poetic about it they don't ride segways but i um you know it has a lot of it it does a lot of sci-fi tropes that i typically don't respond to in a in a lyrical and i found very emotional way and i think about it all the time so i you know i left titanic on the board which feels a little crazy like right now i'm like kind of sweating but i i love arrival so i'm i'm sticking with it can i ask a question take backs yeah i just want to get this this this conversation rolling we can return to it over the course of the evening does denis villeneuve already have as many good movies as james cameron okay so okay i'm not sure if you're up on this but chris has been waging a war against his father james cameron for the past five years and it's one of the damnedest things i've ever you know that he didn't make the one with the soldado yes he made the other sicario yeah yeah yeah because you're a soldado guy i like soldado has a lot to like yeah so chris it's kind of a girl dad movie honestly okay in the entire in the entire history of the big picture chris has asked to sit in on an interview with me one time and it was for stefano salima to talk about day of the soldado that's a true story did i go well i can't remember he was a lovely fellow yeah um his films are all about him and he's a great guy and he's a evil uh so i i what what happened with you and cameron wait you you're just on the spot you don't want to go on the record you don't want to answer no he does not have more good movies than james cameron what are you talking about just checking i think i think it's pretty neck and neck james cameron is a james cameron is an inestimably greater filmmaker but he's been making cartoons for 15 years is this an anti-avatar audience okay this is an anti-avatar audience yeah this show is over um okay i'll make a choice uh i'll also follow sincerity i'll take my favorite canadian filmmaker whose name is sarah polly and i'll take um under filmmaker i'll i'll talk about take this waltz though i i really like all of her films take this waltz of absolutely beautiful movies starring michelle williams seth rogan um about reaching a point in your life where you realize that maybe not everything is as it seemed or you happy enough or satisfied enough with where life has taken you and it's just incredibly emotionally confrontational and thoughtful and features amazing performances and um i i thought about doing stories we tell too which i think is also a super special movie um but that'll be my pick for for canadian director what is she what do you think about her my kids here right leah you're somewhere i took leah on the center there you are buddy i took leah on the center island scrambler for the first time last summer and i think the center island scrambler scene and take this waltz is like sublime the video killed the radio star bit like trading in something old for something new and the way it just stops like that's a great piece of film direction there's usually like one or two great sequences in each of her of her movies that's my favorite of them for what it's worth that's your favorite sarah polly film okay great um well adam the time has come you're at the turn so you have two films that you can take here you can you can keep the earnest vibe going or you can mean pod guy it up well i'm gonna pick a denis villeneuve movie that i actually like and which qualifies and which is pertinent which is enemy damn it's the giant spider that was my fucking pick which is uh i hate letters to toronto from a montreal filmmaker it is the ugliest this city has ever looked in a film i interviewed this city looks so good compared to enemy it's i was covered in this shit so there was a year there was a year at this festival in this building where denis was here with two films there was prisoners which is like a job for hire you know with roger deakins and a sort of like big american film they actually like play the star spangled banner at one point on a trumpet and you're like it's a movie about america and then enemy which is you know about toronto and i interviewed him for both movies and i'm not going to say which one his heart was more in but it was enemy and i love this film as a movie about you know doppelgangers and doubles but it's a great movie about toronto because if you've seen enemy how many people here have seen it and i'm not going to say which one is more in scene enemy yeah this is a movie about someone who suffers a debilitating existential crisis because he rents a toronto independent film and he watches it and he sees himself on screen and he goes that is messed up why am i seeing myself and so when i teach this movie at u of t it's all about the shock as a torontonian of seeing yourself and your city on screen it literally drives you crazy but you know i like jake gyllenhaal in it a lot it's just so exquisitely assembled and shot it's a great performance by sarah gadden amanda off mike i think you were spoiling it by mentioning the insect that's in it there's a great spite oh yeah yeah for people haven't seen it there's a famous scene with an insect it's a 12 year old movie statute of limitations on spoilers for canadian movies is longer um but i think for the odyssey could we yeah he gets he makes it um that's about the enemy it's about enemy not the odyssey yeah some guy quietly inside it's like but um no i mean i like enemy a lot because i think villeneuve has gotten more of he's a filmmaker who's all about scale and we can hold off on whether he's good with scale as we talk about more of your other movies i like how small enemy is i think it's brilliantly managed and it's really funny movie like it's like funny funny so that's my pick the movie um memorably opens with a title card that says chaos is order yet undeciphered yeah what do you think when a filmmaker puts a title card like that at the beginning of their movie i think uh they really uh would like to be taken seriously in adapting jose saramango and if you go on reddit which is a great place to go it's really good for your mental health brian oblivion again oblivion there are all kinds of deep dive explainers on what that quote means pertaining to me because my students always come back the next week they go i solved the movie and i go is it the reddit thread about the quote and they're like yeah i'm like and and or there's also like good youtube explainers youtube explainers for the highest form of film criticism they're so good you do youtube explainers not anymore i've been meaning to mention this to you it's been a while talk about it now no okay i'm not going to renegotiate that on stage uh you have another selection yeah i want to mention a great canadian filmmaker who's actually canadian which is alan king uh the late documentarian who as much as fred weisman is kind of you know key and pioneering people call it direct cinema or or cinema verite this is a film i don't know if people are familiar with alan's work but he was just fascinated in the way that institutions and individuals sort of related there's a film that kind of got faint because criterion when they used to do the eclipse box sets i'm going to cheer for the eclipse box sets when it was like the movie didn't go in the full collection they would do kind of like a deep dive and there's a movie called about a home for emotionally disturbed children in etobicoke and this very unconventional method that's used to treat them which is the the people at the facility they just hold them and the movie at no point says that's what they're doing and there is no interview with the people you're holding these children so you watch the film it's like are they hugging them are they restraining them is this abuse this is wild to watch 62 years later but i mean even at the time the lack of judgment in the movie was like commented on he gives the audience so much space even while he is sitting right into the faces of these these children so it's a movie about mental health it's about generational conflict it's so empathetic and almost kind of exploitative at the same time and the non-fiction films he made you know going forward are about a lot of those same themes one of the first years i covered tiff when i was young and the world was beautiful and all of that was called dying at grace which is set at grace hospital in toronto it's about five patients in palliative care who are all at the end of their lives i know i'm bringing the vibe down we'll talk a little bit more about that in a couple of minutes and uh it's the most astonishingly like terrifying humane normalizing movie about death like it should be mandatory viewing for people to just watch this this thing i got to know alan a little bit before he died he's just one of my heroes so i want to mention him do we think elizabeth is backstage furiously trying to find a warren dale card that was not printed up i think she's got she's got a single what i meant to say wow look at this winner yes for canadian director well it was alan king but we'll say warren dale was the stand-in for alan king that's fine okay um that's a wonderful pick i do have that that criterion set married life one of the great one of the great married couple yeah well you know you have everything yeah yeah we were at bay street video today i was like sean here's an insane movie no one sort of you know i have that i did you did um it's called the tracy letts syndrome he's an inspiration yeah he's gonna kill you you know that right yeah uh i'm going down with him so great playwright tracy letts but but not a great third chair is that he's great but i'm just saying he's a great playwright who do you think should be third chair just he's he's sitting right i'm just asking you you know what the the answer according to the i have students who send me the the big picture reddit threads the answer is apparently not me it's funny how you guys keep bringing up reddit who are you guys bringing up reddit me and adam yeah well we're just really well-informed guys we're plugged in we're we're plugged into the moment are you guys actually the posters there no oh no i would never never no i'm way busier on other reddit boards i'm figuring out what enemy is about i have a pick um i mean matt johnson kind of spoiled my pick but i was always hoping to get the fly so the fly is still on the board so that will be my david cronenberg yeah yeah which i think is his best movie maybe it's his least um i don't know uh esteemed you know awardsy film but it's because it's pure genre but he obviously applies a ton of incredible thought to it but amazing performance by um jeff goldblum as brundle fly in the movie about a transformation a guy who's turning into something that he doesn't want to but he does want to feel power about a dying masculinity um that's why you collect so many dvds that's true i relate to him i don't know what's my version of the fly it's probably the arabato blu-ray that you were pointing out to me today that i was like i have that that was the fly that got in my machine um and yeah i mean it's it is also kind of a for hire job like it was his idea but it's a remake of a sci-fi heroically produced by mel brooks that's right yeah um did you catch matt's drive-by on the script did you not like is there like any writing problems on matt is very fond of aggressive opinions maybe more so than i am um we'll do it later we'll do it scene by scene we'll do a breakdown um but yeah i i think it's i think it's his best film i think it's his most entertaining movie saddest movie and uh i think his movies even now are are incredible but that's the one that i return to the most so that's my cronenberg the fly okay at some point we're gonna have to break this like holy canadian streak and i guess i'm gonna be the one to do it um no listen this is eligible but in what i've learned from drafting lo these many years with these men um is that you have to take what you want when you want it and when you have the opportunity before they can take it away from you mahoney's not here well yeah but you know sean's taking notes every single time sean wants what mahoney has so um i think everyone knows the opposite is true um so i'm just i'm gonna take a film that means a tremendous amount to me and to my um film watching career and was filmed in the and that film is sofia coppola's the virgin suicides um now i understand that it's standing in for detroit which is an american city um i detroit is almost as foreign to me as canada and now less so so um more so because canada i understand so in that sense i was just learning about um a suburban world and it's a beautiful movie about um being a teenager and not understanding what's going on with you or what's going on with anybody else and um trying to make sense of or not um as the case may be of a very very complicated time with very few words um is josh hartnett canadian no he's not he's just in another great canadian film trap uh well don't steal my bit yeah listen i thought about it um because that would be eligible category and um but it's also an important movie about josh hartnett but um obviously also sofia coppola's debut film and um thank you for letting her uh become a filmmaker canada there we go what you managed to get sofia on the board yeah i never doubted you i always do cr two picks uh for canadian star this was a lot of deliberation on this one but i have to give it to an officer of the order of canada and that's a lot of deliberation on this one that is donald sutherland um and i wanted to do this because i was looking at his filmography today which i'm like broadly familiar with but i guess i had not really thought about the fact that he makes a great movie from the 60s in every decade at least one great movie in the 60s 70s 80s 90s aughts if you're including hunger games and um what a phenomenal not only star but also uh anti-war activist an incredible like social activist and has been in some of my favorite movies like mash and include and backdraft what's this he's fucking awesome in backdraft he is telling the truth in jfk let me say that that is the only history book you need brother would you select jfk in the canadian movie draft uh would that be your it would make me want to move to canada jfk is true no uh but i sutherland is uh i think he may be the number one seed in canada yeah yeah you think so i wrote i wrote about him for ringer i think i mean he's the star of my favorite movie of all time which is don't look now by nicholas rogue um yeah he's i mean he'd be he's a he's a top two seed right i mean there's we'll we'll see who the other guy it might be in a second he's a great great great pick and ryan reynolds no and uh and remind me chris in backdraft he is like an he's like the hannibal lecter he's the uh he's the arsonist who de niro goes to interview in prison i think his name is whisper yeah he whispers and uh they talk about fire like it's a person do you remember the one where you'll remember what's the one where sylvester stallone puts him in the electric chair is that lock up and cash no it's lock up yeah yeah yeah he's in a lot of great movies okay so i mean is there a card that you want uh elizabeth to come out with yeah throw mash up there it's okay all right all right film about korean war vets but sure but like i mean okay virgin suicides uh what is short term what do i want to do here man yeah what do i want to do i think i'm gonna go i'm gonna get away from our this lovely country and i'm gonna go to to another country just south of united states of america and do sicario for jenny villanueva uh obviously a passion project of mine uh movie we just did on rewatchables and um one of the most astonishing thrillers uh that's been made in this century i think uh incredible performances by benicio del toro and uh josh brolin and emily blunt and um yeah i almost feel like i'm talked out about sicario but the you know some of the 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Bring your crew and save. Get your tickets today at netflix.com slash house. Amanda, you have a pick. So I will say, um, just to pull back the curtain that in Canadian director and Canadian star, I thought we were choosing films to represent, but, but that's fine. Oh, I thought we were like saying this person's filmography. I can go either way, but so in Canadian director, I will take Norman Jewison who, and you know, I was going to go with Moonstruck, obviously. Um, but an entire, which, you know, is a film set in New York, but that's okay. Um, filmed here. Moonstruck. Right. Right. Right. And, but, you know, but an entire body of work, including, you know, Thomas crown affair without which we would not have Thomas crown affair, 1998 or nine. One of my favorite films of all time. No, um, like an amazing director. And I know also, uh, you know, uh, um, Titan of Canada film and film preservation and Moonstruck is one of the most romantic movies I've ever seen. A friend went on a date recently in LA to see Moonstruck and I mean, it's tough because when the, the guy is not Nick cage, um, on a date, then it's just, there's not going to be another date. Um, and that is a heart high bar to live up to, but also I think it reminded her that love is possible. Um, just not on that date. Have you ever found Danny Aiello sexually appealing? I mean, that is the thing. It's, you know, when, when you're sitting next to Danny Aiello, um, no, no. Chris, same question. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I think he has a beautiful singing voice as you know, I don't like singing. So, um, well we go to karaoke tonight. You're going to change your mind. Yeah. Well, what's your karaoke choice? I, I've been thinking a lot about Sheryl Crow. Um, so yeah. So what I'm going to break out. I haven't decided yet. What? I've never heard you sing. Yeah. I mean, surely you've heard me sing around the kids. Nope. Okay. Well, minus 95 minutes. Yeah. Um, Norman Jewett is a great choice and incredibly storied career. I feel like, you know, a little bit about what he means to the country too. Well, he left, you know? Well, yeah. And he made a, made a landmark movie, but American civil rights as a Canadian filmmaker. Then he came back and built the Canadian film center. So that was good. And I mean, he's, he's often used as an example of like the kind of filmmaker who left at a time when leaving was a very understandable option, you know, languish and obscurity or work with, you know, Sidney Poitier. I mean, it makes sense, but he's a very dependable director and there's this like two film run of his in the early seventies or three film run. It's like Jesus Christ superstar and fiddler on the roof and roller ball. Like these are major, big, you know, seventies. What about fist? I like fist. Just, it's good. Okay. There's a lot, a lot of good movies. You guys seen fist? Sylvester Stallone plays a union organizer. Yeah. Very believable movie. And it radicalized him towards the left-wing politics. He espouses to this day. Yeah. That's actually what Tulsa King is about, but not a lot of people dug deep into season two. So just hit me up afterwards. You guys want to chat? I think I'm going to do star and I'm going to do my, my Canadian, my favorite Canadian film star of all time. That man's name is Jim Carrey. Did Jim Carrey make any Canadian movies? I don't think so. You're asking me? What do you got against Jim Carrey? No, no. I love Jim Carrey. I'm trying to think of what he might've, man on the moon wasn't shot here, right? Does anyone sure about that? It's not shot here. I don't, I don't think so. Isn't that crazy? A proud Canadian. It was very clear to all of us in America that this man was coming from another place to be on and live in color. He never had his love guru where he wore like a Jersey or something. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I'm just going to say it right now. I'm taking Ace Ventura pet detective. First of all, I was rudely left off that rewatchables episode. For reasons that are mysterious to me. Even now, I don't think I was on that. No, you weren't. Yeah. Um, Zach Lowe was on it. God bless him. One of my favorite people in America, but he also loves Canada. Zach Lowe, uh, Ace Ventura pet detective. Not sure I've ever left harder in a movie theater in my entire life. I don't have no regrets whatsoever about it. Is the film perfect? No. Is it a progressive bastion of deep thought? No. Should it be available publicly now? Probably not. Will you show it to your child? Probably. So can I ask a point of order? Yeah. Does this mean that like dumb and dumber is off the board? It does. Yeah. That's a tough break for yours. Truly. Yeah. You were, Oh, you were thinking Jim. Well, again, I was thinking about this in terms of films. And if I had drafted Jim Carrey, I would have put dumb at the dumb and dumber card there, but now I can no longer do that. It's really hard to overstate Ace Ventura. The mask. Dumb and dumber. Yeah. Just a preview of what's going to happen. Being 11 in America when that was all happening, when it was really unfolding in that way, he was, he was the funny guy. He was the funniest person who had ever, ever lived to me at that time. And now he's in three Sonic movies. Do you know, in the last interview that she did before she died, Pauline Kael was like, Jim Carrey has been the only thing worth watching in American movies. That's a direct quote from after getting shots up right to the end. She was a true shooter. Just a baller. She was. Yeah. Who would flip Murray? Who would you compare her to? Yeah. Real, real bucket getter. Okay. You ready? Yeah. Sorry. It's on me. Yes. Yeah. So for Canadian star, Chris was talking about, you know, top seed. So in a different bracket, I'm going to say the top seeds, Christopher Plummer and the movie I'm going to pick, cause I want to see its name up there is the silent partner, which is, uh, I think maybe the most entertaining movie ever shot in Toronto where he plays one of the worst guys ever. You know, he begins the movie, uh, robbing a bank dressed as Santa Claus and proceeds to do some really, really awful things, including one scene. So gratuitous that the director refused to shoot it. It's like shot by a second group of people. Um, but that's like a, a tax shelter classic when people were allowed to basically just use, you know, Canadian movies as an excuse to write money off their tags. A lot of crooks making movies in the seventies at that point, but it's just such a perfect mix of like a Canadian star, Christopher Plummer, Elliot Gould. My students are delighted to discover how hot Elliot Gould is by the way, this they, they, they, they, they look at that the famous picture of him with Grover on the cover of TV guide. I actually put it up on the screen for them, but, uh, the silent partner is made in a very like mercenary way at a period where Canadian movies, we're very mercenary and the whole movie is about just like skimming money off the till and stealing from your self. So it's kind of like a great allegory of the tax shelter, even though that's not what they were trying to do. And Plummer is amazing in it. I love a guy who acts in the sound of music and then calls it the sound of mucus for the rest of his life. And I will also say about Christopher Plummer to name a Michael Mann film. I I've said this a few times on the record. You can quote me on this as a dumb thing that I'm going to say. Christopher Plummer is Mike Wallace in the insider is the best acting ever that I've ever seen. In my Mike, Mike, try Mr. Wallace. So I mean, Chris Christopher Plummer is great. His name should be up there. I hope the Simon partners, what we're going to write down. He goes head to head with Sutherland for me. Do you think Christopher Plummer in the insider going Mike, Mike Wallace, like is better than Pacino standing in the middle of the ocean on a giant mobile phone in the insider? Yeah, he, he is a, he does a garden of earthly delights. But I think he's, I think he's an amazing actor in that film to the point that the movie made Mike Wallace angry. And I think the real Lowell Bergman was like, you should be flattered to be played by Chris by, by Christopher Plummer, which is a hard line. That was a gray line. So yeah, Christopher Plummer for sure. Great pick. You know what I read about it this morning? So the movie is adapted from a novel written by Chris Curtis Hanson. Yeah. And Curtis Hanson wanted to get the job to direct it. And they said, no, you're not ready. So Darryl Duke made it. Yeah. It's a Danish novel with an American screenwriter and an American Canadian. Star. This is how we made movies here in the 1970s and it's, and it's, and it's great. Sorry. I keep looking at Canadian director. I guess I invented a Canadian director named Warren Dale, Cynthia Dale's father. So we have, we have Christopher Plummer what's left. Okay. I'll pick a Cronenberg movie. I'm going to rep for the most recent David Cronenberg movie, which I think is extraordinary and exquisite, which is the shrouds, which is a movie that has been somewhat polarizing. It's a, it's an older man's movie. It's almost unbearably painful what it's about, which is that idea of loss and, you know, wanting to like keep tabs on your loved ones. But it's also extremely funny if people seen the shrouds and the openings. So the opening scene of the film, Vincent Cassell, who looks exactly like David Cronenberg in this movie is on a date with a very attractive lady. And he's like, I had a wife, you know, she died. She's like, that's sad. I liked her very much that, that that's sad, but you're single and rich, right? He's like, yeah, he's like, my wife's buried right over there. Would you like to see her? And then he like turns on the video feed and she's like, I'm getting out of here. It's very funny. And, uh, you know, we, we had this year, I think James gray, like going, Oh, for whatever it at can, but that's a B plot to the fact that Cronenberg hasn't won a competitive award at can. They had to invent the award for audacity for, for crash, you know, and Francis Ford Coppola apparently wouldn't shake his hand when he gave it to him. Did you know, this is awesome to me. Like I could have just as easily pick crash, but I think the shrouds is at a really high level. And I think that now there's a lot of younger filmmakers who like like to mention David and say he's my hero. know my movies are made in his style someone should give the original guy who is still alive money to make his movies because they're really really good and uh you know the shrouds is a a wonderful motion picture great pick um okay i'm just gonna be extremely obvious i'm gonna draft in toronto plays itself or somewhere else and i'm gonna take one of my favorite movies of the century which is scott pilgrim versus the world uh not made by a canadian director though it is faithfully adapting the brian o'malley uh piece and uh apparently i don't know if this is still true but at the time was the largest production ever made in toronto i guess at least until nirvana the band the show the movie which is now the owner of that title but um scott pilgrim is is the toronto and scott pilgrim recognized to you is it coherent to you does it feel like an adequate reflection of what it was like to be in a shitty indie rock band in 2011 and be an absolute misogynist towards women yeah i'm very adam there's a very interesting follow-up to scott pilgrim called scott pilgrim takes off which is made in a great canadian spirit of like apology where it is like this is what scott pilgrim was like the documentary reality of that movie at a certain point let's frame scott pilgrim let's kill scott pilgrim in the first episode and have a completely different kind of dramaturgy to it i mean it wouldn't be interesting if the first scott pilgrim wasn't so influential this is the first argument my students always have which is they watch this movie like this is like a movie about a shitty guy who cares and the cultural moment seems very over this torontopia and cultural moment which was all sort of about indie rock and it was very insular and very kind of you know we're all friends and we listened to broken social scene and then there was a garbage strike and then rob ford got elected and then everyone was like how did that happen and i think it's instructive to watch scott pilgrim if you want to see how solipsistic the city was that that happened on the other hand it's the best piece of direction edgar wright ever did and that scene where brie larson lip syncs metric or sings metric the the what is it black sheep that is a great scene so mixed mixed split decision on scott pilgrim in america we don't give a fuck about all that uh rob ford you don't you don't care about the emergence of right-wing populism in america that sure it was it happened you know i wasn't like let me just sit down and think about what this means this movie is a lot of fun um but i think that i do think that that movie is aware of the fact that scott is a piece of shit do you not see that well i like when he meets the dark part of himself at the end and they go to brunch which is very toronto coded activity we we like standing in line for brunch you guys are claiming brunch we we i am claiming brunch for our country give us this yeah okay for our city not for our country okay so toronto yes on brunch yeah yeah okay canada mixed vote vote yes on brunch in toronto we love standing in lines though like look at tiff okay manda all right um i we just got to get real we got to go to gosling okay uh uh no one else wants to touch it but i do and honestly you say that yeah i think me and sean might feel strong more strongly well i know what you do and and you two are gonna get in a fist fight or whatever about place beyond the pines and and drive and all of these beautiful things sure and then i'm just gonna go double canadian and take the notebook which is kind of a miracle of a movie and we're we're living in the colleen hoover era now of all of these sappy book to movie adaptations starring people you don't really want to see on screen and preposterous plots and you don't understand the magic of ryan gosling in the rain telling rachel mcadams it's not over it was never over i mean you know listen i know he was in other things but kind of two stars being made at once it's very emotional i remember watching it on an actual dvd in college no kidding and just yeah just like weep i mean that's what we had in 2005 right i know but i'm just like it wasn't like a laser disc right uh and and weeping and um it's honestly a beautiful movie it really is even the flashback plot with uh james garner and uh gina ratlins and the and the spoiler alert dying in their bed like old people and you know it it makes preposterous things really real sorry chris that's how that's what happens yeah i see you in the notebook i've seen that it's not over it was never over scene has been stitched into so many joel m bead highlight reels where it's like diagnosed with bell's palsy and he's like it's not over it was never over we're fucking back yeah that's the process baby uh is it my turn yeah okay what's your prediction right now for the sixer season what's that what's what's your prediction for the sixers this season the record i'm gonna do want to bet 10 bucks right now no that the sixers will have a better regular season than the next what do you mean a better record wins yeah right now i just like i thought we were done with the sixers and now it's back amanda you're done with the six i've been done with the sixers for years sorry we're not gonna make this into a sports podcast but i just thought it would be an interesting sweeten the pot of our relationship you know i don't think the knicks will have a better record now in the playoffs i don't think the knicks will have a better record now in the playoffs what do i think will happen i think we'll win okay okay 20 canadian dollars on the raptors fair enough how much money is that in america that is six dollars and 73 cents um that's why i write for you for ryan gosling i'm gonna go a little bit left field here and i'm gonna go only god forgives oh yeah all right a misunderstanding gosling performance and i'm gonna turn to you guys uh really a misunderstood ref and masterpiece about um mothers and sons swords uh revenge thailand um synths neon lights dissolves dissolves white man goes to a foreign nation and decides he needs to kill everybody because he wants to fuck his mom he's assimilated into the culture he's basically like like half thai at that point yeah he's learned all of their martial arts and we'll kill no he gets fucked up that's the best part is he can't even fight uh this movie when i saw it was the biggest disappointment of my life coming off of drive i was like so hyped for it i think you and i sent like 800 t9 sidekick texts about this whenever this came out and uh i sat there and it's so boring and weird and now i have since recontextualized it as a masterpiece of world cinema and that's just what we do here um so only god forgives that's gauze and toronto better get this one while it's still on the board dawn of the dead the snyder cut um this is set in milwaukee but was shot in the thornhill square shopping mall um is that active thornhill square no okay um is that active thornhill square no demolished immediately not even any like cool backroom style youtube videos of it too bad i was gonna try and make a pilgrimage tomorrow okay just to just to pray at the altar of big brother zach uh you just want only god forgives zach snyder yeah that's incredible stuff yeah um honestly pretty good movie uh i like it yeah james gunn wrote the script a couple other people rewrote it scott frank i think got involved there what yeah are you breaking news on that no it's on wikipedia okay um and just like is probably the best use of snyder's specific kinetic gifts as a filmmaker and sarah polly's amazing yeah sarah polly yeah i was gonna get there bing rames some other folks what about him uh he's he's in it too where's he from uh america sure yeah so only god forgives and dawn of the dead 2004 are my picks okay thanks for being here chris yeah okay amanda back to you um okay so i have canadian star and uh cronenberg left and both have been you all have your picks so i can kind of do whatever i want um i think i think i'll go uh i'll do cronenberg and uh i was informed that the his uh feature on charlie xcx's album is not eligible because it has not been released yet but i look forward to that and to charlie who continues to honor canadian cinema um and also be fun i i think i'm gonna do a history of violence yes i i re-watched both uh i re-watched both vigos uh you know because when you have the chance and um while eastern they're both excellent but there is something so um obviously messed up about a history of violence and and i i you know you know exactly what's gonna happen both because you've seen it but also just because the way the film language uses the familiar beats to make things clear to you and you still don't want to believe it and it's a little bit because of vigo's performance and it's a little bit just because of the pacing and the amazing shot construction. So it's like an incredible, very upsetting movie. You've chosen the one David Cronenberg movie explicitly about the United States of America. Well, I, listen, and I apologize, but it's really, really good. It's great. It's the best. And Charlie wasn't allowed. Do you relate to William Hurt in that film? In what sense? That I have a younger brother? How else? That I'm going to be killed by, oops, I shouldn't say that. That I'm going to be nominated for the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor? No. For this podcast. Yeah. You watch Viggo Mortensen. If you were to watch Viggo Mortensen and the four movies he's made with Cronenberg, that was the best actor of all time. I mean, those performances are just amazing, especially History of Violence. Like when the turn comes and he's kind of like, actually, I am this guy. What he is doing like physically and with his face and with his voice, those like micro mutation is incredible. And also, once again, teaches us that Philly is where everyone goes to die. Yeah. Crazy. Do you know? Did you know Crazy Joey Cusack and the Cusacks? Who are your guys in the Philly mob? Did you know? Just, I mean, it's most of the Irishman documents this. So, yeah. I have to give you credit for not selecting the movie where Viggo is nude. That's. Sure. I mean, and you know, scrotal tucks have been a topic of discussion on and off the podcast recently. And in a way, that fight scene, it qualifies, but. Would this room generally say that they're pro-scrotal tuck? Like, I've really been trying to explore this idea. Are you going to give some context? So, we podcasted about a number of things recently. And I don't remember how it came up, but we talked about whether there was such a thing as a scrotal tuck. And I'd like everyone to know that we've done some independent reporting after that. And we have heard two separate instances of like known scrotal tucks. Happening to. That actors that you've heard of. Well-known figures have received scrotal tucks. So, gigantic tactical error inviting my kid. Oh, sorry. Lee, I'm so sorry. Buddy, you okay? Yeah. Okay. Your kid is going to be like, Dad, can we watch Only God Forgives tonight? She wants to watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre every day. Yeah. I'm only speaking of anatomy. We all have bodies. Absolutely. That was a David Cronenberg quote. Uh, okay. It's up to me. It is. I don't have a Cameron or Denis movie. What's the most respectable movie I could. I really wanted to take Enemy. I thought that was the only pick. Pick one of those other great movies he's apparently made more than James Cameron. Well, I didn't say that. Or, like, The Terminator. I'm taking Aliens. Yes. Which I think is amazing. And that was. That was shocking. Shot on location in Toronto? Yeah. Yeah. In the, uh, in the, the, the Bloor Viaduct. You know, absolutely amazing sci-fi war masterpiece and total reimagination of what the Alien movie could be. And, um, I, I think probably changed action cinema forever. Um, and I think his commitment to, uh, practical filmmaking in that movie is probably what, Chris's heart is so broken over the Avatar situation. I understand. I get where you're coming from. You'll always have Aliens. It's not going anywhere. But if you all want, you can also have Fire and Ash. And not, not just Fire, but Fire and Ash. And The Way of Water. Yeah. Well, you've had that. Yeah. You've had The Way of Water. You rejected it mercifully. But Aliens is wonderful. I mean, is, is Cameron, like, do you claim Cameron? You know, does he feel meaningfully Canadian? Because he claims Canada. There was that famous podcast that said he should be president because he's. Just as a project manager, he could, like, he'd be like a centrist Democrat who could probably, like, he'd be environmentalist and you could kind of get stuff done. There was once a list that was published of, like, the best Canadian movies. That was kind of like your draft where it was like, it's all, it's all good. You know, and like Titanic and Cameron movies were there. And when you looked at it that way, it was kind of ridiculous, which isn't to say your podcast is ridiculous, but that list was ridiculous when they published it because you would have, like, I've heard the mermaids singing and the Terminator. It's like, these things are not like each other, right? But, um, you know, I mean, we, we, we, we, we, we proudly claim. I think what's more, not more interesting, but that Villeneuve is probably, unless anyone has a better candidate, he's probably the second biggest Canadian director of all time, like by a mile at this point, simply by making the Dune movies as a Canadian born filmmaker. Like, unless I'm forgetting someone, they really are the top two in terms of industrial schlep, you know? Even more than Ivan Reitman, you think? I'm going to take the fifth, the sixth, the seventh, the eighth, the ninth, the 10th. Do those apply in Canada? No. Okay. Did you, uh, did you watch the Dune 3 trailer? I did. Uh, no, I didn't actually. Well, you didn't watch the Dune 3 trailer? Well, we saw, sorry, we've, we've seen a lot of it in footage. Live reaction right now? Oh, yeah, pull it up. Our eyes, if you could put it up there, our eyes, our eyes aren't that good, so. Picture a big spaceship sitting there. Okay. Well, we saw seven minutes of, we saw the opening of the film at CinemaCon. Okay. And it was sick. It was fucking sick. Okay. I don't mind saying, you know, despite whatever this guy's talking about, I don't know what the hell Adam is talking about. The movie looked fucking amazing. So I don't need to watch the trailer. I think you'll like it. Okay, cool. It looked awesome. Yeah. Anya Taylor-Joy covered in blood. Do you want me to just narrate the entire story? Sure, go ahead. Chalamet blue eyes. Yeah. Fully going through a little midlife crisis as he becomes a god. And, uh, yeah. Momoa back. Yeah. Duncan, Idaho? Yeah. Cool. I'll explain that to you after. It's complicated. Can't wait. You have two picks. I do. For Ryan Gosling, I want to pick Breaker High. People know. She's not going to have a card for this, is she? You know, like one of the great Canadian young adult. How would we describe it? Young teen adult boat coming of age. But it's a TV show. So that's a. We don't do that here. No, no. I mean, I think Ryan Gosling is a good actor who's often in movies that I don't like. So I'm kind of caught. I was really hoping Reynolds was going to be there because I was going to pick Adventureland, which is a beautiful movie and it was going to be a whole thing. But, um, you know what? For Chris, I'm going to pick a movie I don't even like, but it's just going to make him so happy to see it on the board. I love Chris. So I will pick Drive, even though I don't like it. It's beautiful. Have you seen the new Nicholas Winning Refn film? I'm seeing it on Tuesday and my breath is running. My breath is bated. I cannot wait. Because much like Chris, I like Refn when he is absolutely unbearable. He never misses. Like, Only God Forgives is my favorite Nicholas Winning Refn directed thing because it's, like, almost unwatchable. It's a high compliment. I love that series. I've put in so many hours with the guy, man. I know. Too Old to Die Young, all 11 hours. Copenhagen Cowboy, all six hours. You know when you know it's a good series is when one episode is 90 minutes, when one episode is, like, 37 minutes? And when no two episodes are in the same series? In the same language? Yeah. You're like, this is an excellent streaming television series. I love it. It's not a bit. I think it's great. We're going on Twitch immediately after you see Her Private Health. Me and you, we're going to talk it out because it is not good. Okay, you've got another pick. Okay, I'm going to cheat. I'm going to put one movie on the board and then there's a second movie that I have to mention. The movie I'm going to put on the board is Clement Virgo's Rude from 1995, which is an important movie in TIFF's history, an important movie in Toronto film history. It's a gesture against the fact that, like, so much of the mythology around Canadian Toronto films is that, you know, stories about white characters. So here's a black Toronto director, largely black cast, very much influenced by Do the Right Thing. There's even, like, a DJ character connecting the narratives. Like, it had its 30th anniversary last year and I thought that that anniversary kind of came and went with less circumstance than it should. Very important, crucial Toronto movie. So for people who are not sitting, how many people here have seen Rude? It's going to be more than a few. That's not enough. You should see it. I was thinking more for the people who are, like, watching it. So Rude is, is the pick. But, I mean, I can't say that my favorite Toronto movie is not the one that my kid is in, which is Matt and Mara by Kazik Radvinsky, where Leah's sister Avery is excellent as a baby, which also stars Matt Johnson, but her scenes with Matt were left sadly on the cutting room floor. He, I, she was at TMU, the former Ryerson, and shooting with him and he just riled her up because he's like, where's your dad? Which is narratively in context, but Avery took this literally and she's like, yeah, where is my dad? And Matt was like, yeah, where's your dad? Where's your dad? Knowing full well that I was around, the court, and I'm like, this is great. Now I'm a basket case child on the drive home. But Kaz's movies in general as Toronto films, Tower and Matt and Mara, I think are very important. But yeah, Rude's the one on the board. There wasn't a placard for Rude. How do you feel about that? It's very telling. Yeah. I have a Gosling left. That's my last category. Put the Metallica shirt on, dude. We know what you're going to do. Place Beyond the Pines? Yeah. Yeah, Place Beyond the Pines. There you go. I mean, there's nothing Canada about the movie. I don't really know what to say about that part of it. It's about Schenectady and being a fucking loser in Schenectady and thinking that you deserve more than you have. And then Ben Mendelsohn comes and destroys your life. Yeah, but he teaches you how to be a great bank robber, which is the normal stuff that happens when you are best known for riding motorcycles in circular cages. Deranged movie that could only be based on true life experiences. Derek's the inference. I don't think raced motorcycles inside of cages, but I do think he observed people doing that and had conversations with them. Um, I, I, I sincerely love this movie, even though I know it's incredibly sincere and sentimental about being a sad guy. Uh, I think God, this is like Gosley's best work. I wish he never left this era. Um, I like what he's doing now. I think he's super talented, but, uh, he was, he was actually like unafraid to be pretentious in a way that I wish more movie stars would be. And, uh, this movie lives in my heart. Thank you for experiencing that. Okay. I have Canadian star left. This is very easy for me. Uh, I will be taking the other star of the notebook, Rachel McAdams, mean girls. Obviously mean girls was eligible in Toronto plays somewhere. It's not, is it specified where in it doesn't matter. Anyway, it's filmed. And then mean girls was filmed here. Wedding crashers. You all know how I feel about morning glory, uh, family stone spotlight. I mean, she's someone who obviously makes rom romantic comedies and good romantic comedies, which are a genre that's important to me, but sort of like a comedian who in a different era, I think would have had an even bigger career, uh, than she already has. But if you haven't seen send help very good. And do you like, do you like, are you there? God, it's me, Margaret. She's amazing. I can't believe that she got nominated. So everything that she is good in everything that she, she does, she's so watchable. Uh, we just did a Diane Keaton episode and, um, she obviously started with Diane Keaton a couple of times and eulogize her or, you know, did her in memoriam tribute at the Oscars. And you know, you think that in a different time period, Rachel, Rachel McAdams had some of the stuff. So, and also Regina George is forever. So also known to have come here of her own volition to watch movies at the light box when she was in Toronto, I won't say which movie she was at, but it was one that were like four people here. And I was one of them. And she was in the back row with the baseball cap watching a Brazilian movie. And that ruled. Why would you not say what the movie is? It was neighboring sounds. Okay. Do you guys know that? Um, I went and saw neon demon, uh, came out and L fanning was there watching herself in neon demon. I had this exact experience. Were you at the movie together? Right. Yeah. That was the craziest thing ever. She was just hanging out with her friends. Just be like, look at this dude cook. Look at this guy. What a, she said those words to her. That's what I imagined they were talking about. Yeah. Um, my turn. You have the last bit of the draft. I can't, I was going to do something. Name a Canadian. No, you know what? Here's the thing. So I did have, this isn't all sincerity. So like in the early nineties, there was basically like, it was much harder to come across movie information, even though my father was a film critic. He didn't really share much with me. Um, and, uh, we would, you know, I would rent videos from the store on the corner. And I early in high school, became obsessed with Miller's crossing. So I rented Miller's crossing a hundred times. And, uh, there was a trailer at the beginning of the Miller's crossing VHS that I was like, God, this looks interesting, but I don't know if like, it's my thing. And I rented Adam McGowan's the adjuster when I was like in high school, let me tell you sexually formative movie for me. Um, and also like, you know, Matt spoke about the uncanny Valley nature of Canadian films. And I think that that's, that can be read as a critique, but his movies specifically have that same thing, but I would say it as a positive trait of their films where you're like, this is reality, but it doesn't really seem like reality. I watched his movies when they were a little bit over my head, or at least as early stuff, like Exotica or whatever. You know, I think I kind of think of that one again, you know, provocative stuff, uh, really, really got the conversation rolling, but, uh, with who, you know, my camp girlfriend, uh, but yeah, it's, uh, he's, I would, would you rank him as a Titan of Canadian filmmaking? At first I thought it was going to have to break it to that. The cones weren't Canadian. No. Yeah. I'm picking the big Lebowski. And that sensibility just spoke to me. Those, those noted Canadian filmmakers. There's the scene in serious man, where he tries to flee to Canada and then gets his head blown off. That's right. The signs just like Canada that way. Goodbye. Um, I'm going extremely important and a filmmaker who's had an interesting turnaround in his reputation. Because he was kind of, you know, a breakthrough. I mean, exotic is a huge international art house hit, you know, it was distributed by Miramax sweeter after he competed for best director against James Cameron, you know, very significant for a Canadian actual Canadian movie to be nominated for director and script. And then his fortunes kind of turned. Cause we have this thing in this country that I'm sure none of you know anything about the tall poppy syndrome thing where it's like, oh, you're successful. Well now you suck. And, um, I found a goings last few films, including the one he made with Amanda Seyfried, not Canadian, but a great actress from mean girls. A seven veils I thought was really good and really interesting. And like, I hate the phrase return to form, but it was like very back to that period of just narratively interesting kind of perverse movies. I mean, it's good that he's here, even if his name is now the adjuster, uh, Adam McGuigan, a hundred percent, but we'll, we'll give it to Chris Christie adjuster, Ryan. I love that. That was, that was like the best pick of any of us. I don't think so. I think that was just like, but I just needed, I needed to get him up there on the board. Yeah. You can't, you can't get him up there. You can't get him up there. Park for the Sky Dome Under the Gardener. Where it's like, I can't wait for this concert. I'm like, you are an hour and 10 minutes away on foot. Crazy dad, Josh Hartnett. But a brilliant movie on many fronts. Okay, we have to get going. But before we go, we have to recap our draft. And then you have to vote on our draft right now. So before you vote, CR, you picked first. Why don't you tell us what you have? Is there like a QR code? There's going to be as soon as you read your picks. So for my draft, I did Ryan Gosling. I took Only God Forgives. For David Cronenberg, I took Videodrome. For James Cameron slash Denis Villeneuve, I took Sicario. For Canadian director, I took Adam McGowan's A De-Adjuster. For Canadian star, I took the classic Canadian film MASH. And for Toronto Plays Itself or others, I took Dawn of the Dead, Zack Snyder's remake. Amanda. Okay. For Ryan Gosling, I took The Notebook. For Cronenberg, I took A History of Violence. For Cameron of Villeneuve, I took Arrival. For Canadian director, Norman Jewison from Moonstruck. Canadian star, Rachel McAdams, Mean Girl and Everything Else. And for Toronto Plays Itself or Somewhere Else, The Virgin Suicides. For Gosling, I selected The Place Beyond the Pines. Pure masterpiece. For David Cronenberg, I took The Fly. For Cameron of Villeneuve, I took Aliens. For Canadian director, I took Sarah Polly and Take This Waltz. For Canadian star, I took Jim Carrey in Ace Ventura, Pet Detective. And for Toronto Plays Itself, I chose Scott Pilgrim vs. The World. For Gosling, for Chris Ryan, I picked Drive. For Cronenberg, I picked The Shrouds, an actually Canadian film. For Villeneuve, I picked Enemy, an actually Canadian film. For Canadian director, I picked Alan King, who's actually Canadian. For Canadian star, Christopher Plummer in an actually Canadian film, The Simon Partner. And Toronto, an actual Canadian film. Okay. Guess who's gonna win? Would you say you played in the spirit of the game, or would you say that you just sucked up to the audience for an hour? A little bit of both. Yeah. Well, actually, sucking up to the audience would be naming American movies, because we're in Canada. There is a QR code behind me. You have one minute. I think it's been up for a little bit, so. Starting now. That's nice, but listen, vote for your heart. It's okay, you know? It's. Have you won every live vote? No, I believe that David Sims won, but we were in the final two, so we held hands. It would be funny to get me enough votes so that I can make Adam name and hold hands with me, like Miss America style. Do you know that reference? Do they have Miss Canada? And I'll say, here they are, Mr. and Mrs. Canada. Vote now. Yeah. Chris, can you just vamp for 57 seconds? What do you got? What will you do if you win? Do some material here, bud. Uh. Go to the Thornhill Shopping Center, the remains of it. Start a global zombie pandemic, save society. Will you drop a pin tonight and let people know where you're going to be? Yeah. Yeah, sure. Okay. For sure. Do you know how to drop a pin? I don't. I don't. Are the votes ready? Do we want to talk about tomorrow night at all? Yeah. Is there anything. Is there any vamping? I don't know. I hope. Is anybody coming tomorrow to tour? Okay, great. Thank you so much. Do you guys know where. You guys don't know where you bought tickets for, right? Yeah. Okay. It's not a surprise. Though I'd like to come back and do a surprise screening sometime. It's a live screening of my episode of Inception from the Rewatchables. Are you guys excited about that? Six out of ten. Yeah, we're screening Tenet, which will be a lot of fun. Yeah. And. We're chatting afterwards. Chris has some bits planned, but we won't tell you what they are. Oh, yeah. I forgot. You've been working on your material. How much did you work on your material before this pod? Not at all. Okay. And I'm not going to be here tomorrow, but I'm going to miss it very much. Okay. Does anyone else find it surreal that Chris Ryan is in Toronto? No. You guys are very sweet. Take that energy into the voting booth with you. Not that I'm influencing you guys. Do we have results? Yeah. What are the electioneering rules in Canada? Voting is closed. Okay. Well, usually your dancer results are like 8.01 p.m. You guys do it fast? Very. Well, yeah. Is it a clean system here? Are we going to go into this with them? Okay. Canadian politics doing just great. Are you accepting new citizens? Sorry? Me personally? Yeah. Isn't that something you do as well? You can nestle just behind the few DVDs I still have left displayed in the basement. That's right where I belong. That's right where you belong. Okay. Jack, do we have results? The votes are in. Okay. In last place with 14% of the vote. Wow. Christopher Ryan. Wow. Didn't work at all. Wow. Just like Only God Forgives, you'll understand it in five years. It's cool. Wow. In third place with 21% of the vote, Sean Fennessey. Wow. Oh, my God. Adam, come here. Yeah. Okay. This is so exciting. Here we go. Very exciting. Can't wait. In second place with 26% of the vote, mean pod guy Adam. Which means Amanda Dobbins has won the rigged to draft. Wow. It's almost like these events are 50% women and she wins every vote. Thank you all. You're very sweet. Next live draft. It's going to be me, you and nine women, and then we'll see what happens. This was very special. Really appreciate you guys hosting us here tonight. I want to say thank you very, very much. Thank you very much to TIFF for hosting us. This is really cool that they were able to have us out. You know, Adam has been a huge and important part of the big picture for a very long time and not only lends the show gravitas, credibility, and thoughtfulness, but he's also the funniest person who comes on the show. So this is very special for us to get to do something live with him. Did you hear that? Reddit threads? Matt Johnson is a genius and the man, and that was very cool that he joined us tonight. So thank you to Matt. I want to say thank you to Criterion for helping us out tonight. Thank you to Elizabeth Fearman, who fearlessly runs events for The Ringer, Helen Eichner on her team, whole Spotify group. Thanks to Jack Sanders, our producer for this event. Give it up for Jack. Thank you, Canada. We'll see you next time. Thank you, guys. Endless summer escapes start here. 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