The Brandon Walker Episode

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A podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment and fights back. I guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to our town on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't want to be hyperbolic, but it's a pretty historic show. Not just in the annals of college football media history, in the annals of American history. On this Thursday, August 20, the overlord, 2026 coming to you, high atop a radiant downtown Nashville, Tennessee, you know about a month ago, less than a month ago. I went up to Chicago, Illinois, and I sat down with the young man who will appear on this show tonight. It was an hour and a half of content, the likes of which the world has never seen. It was groundbreaking, it was entertaining, it was fun. That's what it was. And we got great feedback on it. And it was the first half of a home in home. And I told you then that by the end of August, we would fulfill the second half of that home in home. And for once in his life, Brandon Walker, going to be a man of his word for a change. And he has come to Nashville. We recorded this yesterday. I think you'll enjoy it a lot. And I'm not going to do like he did when I was on his show and yell like a jackhammer operator for an hour and a half install. I'm going to get right to it. Here is our sit down yesterday right here in Nashville, Tennessee with Brandon Walker. You're in Nashville. Hiya. Your shoes are tied. Now they are. People said this would never happen. They already did. They said I'd go to Chicago because I mean, I'm a people pleaser, but people never thought that you would basically follow through on your work. Don't call it your liar when you said that this would be a home at home. They thought you would Indiana your way out of this, but you are Brandon Walker. Not quite live, recorded, but in Nashville, Tennessee, you can talk now. I schedule like a man. I schedule like a man if I have an opponent who is who is good and who comes to my place, I'm going to repay the favor. We're going to have a natural home at home. We're not going to signate this and act like Notre Dame has to come to me twice, not that you would be Notre Dame. A lot of people thought that I would be Indiana. Certainly not. A lot of people had a lot of things to say with our last sit down. What did they say, Josh? Great feedback. Feedback, frankly, that I was taking a little bit of back by and that it was so positive or in that it was way too positive for 2026. Sure. Sure. Because we didn't sit there and agree the whole time. It wasn't a. No. A coup by office. And we're not going to do that this time. Probably not. You tried to hydrate yourself, but you actually poured water into trash. Okay. Can I say something? Yeah. It came to my place. I got you a car service. I made sure you had plenty of beverage. Correct. The company you work at did all that for me. You're drinking some sort of cranberry device over there and what did you all for me to drink nothing? So when I sat down, I found a bottle of water and poured it into this beautiful, paid state freight smug, which I thought that's where that's why he's got it there. This is. Where's the camera? It's just trash in here. There's just trash in here, Josh. I poured water into trash and you did not have me a mug to drink out of. Meemaw said trash is as trash does. And I never knew what she meant until right now. Can I just say something? Sure. I don't think your meemaw said all these things. Meemaw was saying. I don't think meemaw can be a thing. You could talk about me, you could talk about Jesse, feel free to talk about Bradley and Pres. Meemaw is not here to defend herself. I just feel like meemaw sayings are all for convenience sometimes, that's all. And I'm not sure. Meemaw sent you down and said, Josh, here's a saying for every single scenario where you're ever going to sit down with Brandon Walker. And I'm sure she was a saint, a wonderful woman, and probably baked a great pecan pie. Pecan. Pecan pie. Sure. Had a great chicken spaghetti. Meemaw lived her entire life with a thumb and a pinky on her right hand. That's her middle three fingers got chopped off in an axe accent when she was a little girl. So if you think that she was tough enough to live her whole life, callous enough to write this centipede style and got to her 80s and didn't have a fair amount of colloquialisms fill it up in her head. So she was just so in stuff with thumb pinky, yeah. Just so one. Yeah. Are you making a reference? I'm not making a reference. This literally happened. That was her life. I'm just saying the janitor on scrub, general scrubs, his wife had pointer and thumb pinky. Yeah, I've never seen scrubs. You should. It's a good show. Since we last spoke, have you changed your mind on anything related to the 2026 college football season? Yes or no? I'm more bullish. I have grown to think more highly of some teams. And I've grown to question some teams a little bit more. The team I'm questioning more than I was a couple of weeks ago, which I look at the roster and I think, oh, my God, Texas is loaded and ready to go. Kim Coleman over here, Ryan Lingo over here, the running backs, archmaning, let's go national champs. The more I think about it, if they don't beat Ohio State early, look out. That schedule is nasty. So I am more careful when I do dull out my Texas praise than I was a couple of weeks ago. And there is a team that's rattling around my brain in the South Asian conference that's starting to get my nipples hard a little bit. Intency? It's not. South Carolina. Really? It is. And I don't know why. When you talk about the top 10 teams, right, you're talking about all teams that know they have a quarterback who can finish in the top five in the country. They all know that. Well, if you're going further than the top 25 and say, I need a team that's going to be surprised at people, but to come up here, they need to have a quarterback who has that kind of ability. South Carolina has it. Last year, he was coached poorly. When things started, the cheese started sliding off the cracker. They slid all the way off and they couldn't put it back. This year, Dylan Stewart on one side, they got dudes all over that roster. I know they've said a couple of receiver injuries, but if Lenore sellers is good early, look the hell out. I really think South Carolina could be a really sleeper team. All right. Let's go back to what you said about Texas. Yeah. You knew that they played Ohio State and when we spoke, so it sounds like you have thought about Texas more and you're starting to get a little softer or maybe your hands starting to shake a little bit more when you think about Texas. Is it the Gooseby bone bruise? Not only that bone bruise, just the shared numbers, it is really, when you really think about the SEC and who all thinks they're going to be good, there's not enough oxygen in the room. There's not enough air. There's not enough, like this balloon is not going to stay afloat for some teams. Texas A&M thinks you're going to win 10, right? Alabama thinks you're going to win 10 or 11. Ole Miss thinks you're going to win 10 or 11 unless you think you're going to win 10 or 11. Oklahoma thinks you're going to win 10 or 11. Texas thinks you're going to win 10 or 11. Georgia thinks you're going to win 10 or 11. That's seven teams. That's not possible, right? And so if you realize that once these teams start to cross-pollinate and start to do things, somebody's going to be left holding a seven and five bag or a six and six bag, it's not out of the realm of possibility it would be Texas. Although I am still picking them in the playoff, I'm still picking them. I'm just saying I'm a little more careful than I was. How crazy it could get there. Leads me to my point. Yeah. That I was thinking about, oh, probably over the past week. So when we were in Chicago, you talked about Kalin de Bohr. I did. You had this ridiculous take that if they go eight and four, he'll be fired. And then I said, man, eight and four, like that's not the worst thing in the world. And you said, no, to Alabama fans, it is. Alabama folks are still in too big to fail mode. They don't actually understand that it could bottom out. They could go eight and four. They could go seven if five. Hold on. No. Keep drawing breath. Just hold on. Well, get ready. I'm in the old start. Let me take some swan. Yeah. So I actually think Sark's in the position you think Kalin de Bohr is in. I think you're exactly right. I do agree with that. Um, and I think just not even Texas fans, but the entire country kind of refuses to to acknowledge. How good Sark has been. He's made two final fours in last four years and like they have been there and been really close. Jack, if Jack Sawyer doesn't do what he did a couple years ago, who knows what they do against Ohio State, the eventual national champion. So people act like Sark just can't get there and hasn't been there at all. He's touched it. He just hasn't grabbed it yet. But yeah, you're right. Like somebody's somebody, some coach that right now is sitting in an ivory tower on SEC campus. In November is going to be on a hot seat and he does not see a comment. Do we think there's going to be a James Franklin, Brian Kelly situation every year. So in this world of the top of the sport being flattened, right? And more teams having a bite at the apple, more teams thinking they have a chance. Then that means more teams are susceptible to getting, you know, the bear trap to clamp down on them. So yeah, I think that's very possible. Cause if you think about hot seat conversation, as long as you and I have been alive, hot seat conversations existed, but it was always someone's on the hot seat entering the year. First off, it's a process. Yeah. Yeah. And so you climb one rung down, two rungs down, three rungs down, and then it's always got to win seven games. He's gone. He goes five and seven. He's fired. Nowadays, you're on top of the world. Some of these guys just signed contract extensions. And yet we could get into a world in November, where they had some injuries and people have to lose like someone's got to lose. And someone's going to lose more than others and they're headed towards seven and five. And I just, here's my personal field. But I don't want to tell fan bases how to think about their team, cause they're the ones who invest in it. But I don't think that knobs have been turned to account for what the world is now. Now, which is why I believe Alabama, if he goes eight and four, he's fired. That fan base is going to write. They haven't turned that knob that you just talked about. They are still living in a world where Sabin just happened, they, they'd stuck everything in the past. Bear Bryant led right into saving. They don't remember the years of struggle they had. They only remember the great years. And that's what it's supposed to be. So if you were going to get in for it, they're not going to react like a normal fan base. They're not going to react like a normal fan base is a statement that you just made. Sure. Okay. Then there's like 10 feet of crap. Then there's he's fired. Yeah. You're almost mentioning them as if they go arm in arm. They go hand in hand. I'm not telling you they're going to look and say, eight and four is the new reality. Yeah. Oh, well, let's head to church. It's not that. I'm mad. I'm pissed. I want to do better. It's all these things. What it's not is here's 70 million. Get him out of here because I know there's someone out there better that we can get. But what you're doing, I believe, is you're creating this golf and this gap between the fan bases, thoughts, if that were to happen and the administrators and decision makers in Tuscaloosa. And you think they would have the presence of mind and the maturity to say, you know what? 70 million dollars is a lot of money. We're going to be measured. We're going to give them another chance. But they answer to these people over here. And these people over here will be sold out. This is all contingent on it happening. But I really think there's not that golf between the decision makers and the fan base that you believe there would be. Can I just say this? Sorry. To go back to the irresponsible scenarios, maybe irresponsible, maybe realistically we were starting to pose. Sure. This could happen to Sark. You say it could happen to debor for the sake of argument. Let's say you're right. Sure guys. Obviously. Oh, it certainly could happen to Lincoln Riley. And I'm talking about the big jobs. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. If you talk to agents right now, they'll talk about Baylor. They'll talk about South Carolina, Wisconsin, Florida, state, but every single one of them says, now the earthquake would be USC. Lincoln Riley, cause that opens up. And the thought is they would pursue Kalen de Boer and whether Kalen de Boer leaves or not, either he leaves and Bama opens or he doesn't leave and USC's still open, but that doesn't even take into account. What if someone who's top 10 really does fall off the cliff? What if Texas is a too lost team by the time they play Red River? Sounds like we're just throwing shot after shot at Texas. Sure. That would just be the most glaring out of nowhere cannonball to the face. Like everyone thinks last year was the huge coaching carousel in sanity, which it was. And they think this year a few of them will open. Ooh, boy, we were like one or two key turns away from us looking at this year saying, this may be everybody's crazy last year. So we're never going to be far from that in the new world, though, right? We're never going to be far from that because everybody, if everybody is getting a swing and everybody's in there, a lot of people are going to get hit with the bat and they don't see it coming. I want to add another guy, Brent Vendables goes six and six, isn't he? Do you want me to see? Yeah, that would be three out of five years where he's five hundred or worse. I believe I have seven to five, six and six are around there. And you know what else they have? This hasn't happened yet. USC and Oklahoma, ironically because of the connection with Lincoln, but USC and Oklahoma are two programs that could be the first programs in line to have their head coaching job open. Yeah. And the GM position remain as is. Sure. We're still so new in the GM era. You haven't seen college football go NFL like that. But that's coming. And I'm telling you if there were moves, I'm actually think both of them will do good this year. But if I'm wrong, and either one of those were to move on their head coach, yeah, it would be head coach is going in maybe to work for a GM who's already there, and they keep the brain trust. So I had much a on the other day, makes a spent five minutes gushing about Oklahoma's brain trust about Jim nagging and all that and what they built over there and how professional it is. So what you just laid out is a scenario where they're in love and they're they're really like what they're doing there. But they convinced themselves they don't have the right guy in the pilot seat. And that would just change out the pilot seat. Yes, it's scary. It applies there. It applies at USC. I could go right back to Texas. I could go back to a lot of these places. Like this would never apply to Ryan Day. Yeah. Think about it for Ryan Day had two bad years in a row. This is not the old school where so much of your success is tied directly just to the ethos and the culture that your head coach built. That's the old school way of thinking. The new school way of thinking quite literally is the plane or the car. Sure. We've built this thing, not independent of who the head coach is, but we've built this to where if it's not working out, it's it's as simple as this. It's not really that simple, but they'll think it's that simple. And so you you have so such a short leash. That's where they kind of they kind of reconcile in their mind. It is okay paying these guys $10 million a year because they live in a world where they could be as successful as at any point in their career. And they could be 24 months away from the unemployment line. You know, I think it's a great example of this. I think Ole Miss Ole Miss could have panicked last year. Ole Miss could have panicked. But Ole Miss to their credit, they've got it going in their front office man. They got it going in the resources. They've got it going in their NIO program. They got it going behind the scenes. And they just kind of stood back took a breath said, you know what, Pete's here. Let's put him in there. I'm sure they said, let's give him a year or two years and see what he can do. But what they do behind the scenes to acquire players and get players is not going to change. It's not changing for lanes. Not changing for Pete. It won't change for the next guy. So I think they're a good example of this. How's your show going so far? It's going really well. I really, I'm trying to do a face turn. I'm trying to not cuss as much. I don't know if that's going to work with my audience. But, you know, what, I got a lot of, I've had some dads DM in there like, hey man, I'd like to listen to you with my kid but I can't go. Oh, that shocking that that audience exists out there. If only someone had told you that. Do you feel like that was necessary? Do you feel like you had to step in there? I was running around and you had to knock me off. You had to pass in the fear with me right there. And I was going to make a beautiful catch and come down. And it was going to be a great play by me. But you had to, you had to knock me off my route. You asked, was it necessary? Yes. It wasn't necessary. No. No, it's what I'm about to do. If you look at the screen here. I don't, what if I don't look at the screen? I'll just tell you what's on the screen. Okay, I'll look at the screen. So far, you've had five jokes. Well, first of all, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. That's okay. All right, Mr. Mr. puffed up titties and his white D shirt. Okay. Listen, there was the biggest one by 150,000 because it was the first one. People wanted to see what it was. People were like, oh, Brandon Walker's over here. Let me, let me check that out. The numbers are good. The numbers are where we're going to be and where we're going to grow. Is the biggest one with Josh Payne? Sure. But it was also the first one, the debut episode. And you're welcome for that. By the way, you're welcome for that. If that logic tracks, that means if you had me on again, next week, the number will plummet. Are you, are you challenging me? What are you, what are you doing? I definitely don't want to come up. You're not going to go really don't know what I'm doing. I just are. I think you simply wanted to bring that up. And, and you're going from there. Well, just put it up and we'll figure it out from there, right? I see you do something sometimes where if your heart's not in what you're saying, your eyes go from this to this. Yeah. And the camera can't tell, but I'm sort of looking at the wall behind you. You get that far away glaze looking your eye. And when you said that number is only what it is because it was the first show, buddy, your eyes changed focus really quick. Let me, let me tell you, let me tell you this. All right. I'm 47 years old out of weight and cholesterol is raging through my body at all times. I can't control what my eyes do. All right. My mind and my heart. I know what they're doing. And that's because it was the debut episode. Also, I appreciate you doing that and probably help the numbers. You just mentioned age. One of the wildest stats I've heard so far in 2026 is Todd McShay is older than you. Did you see how beautiful that man is? It's unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. He takes care of himself. Good for him. You copy the streams of the human existence. I got, I got four kids and lived on fried foods for the first 40 years of my life. What do you want me to do? Better. That's what I want you to do. Fair. Yeah. So why did you send me that? Did you send me that, that vibration played a couple years ago? I'm trying to help you out. You talked about having tried my pain. Did you send my gym? I did not know. Well, I put out a video. You're in a gym at your office. No, no, no, I have a home gym. Why? Good. I have boys. I have three boys. But I had a chipmunk in my garage and I put out a video and it's my home gym. Good setup. No, I haven't seen that. I should say it. It's awesome. That's good. You get your vibrator out there? No, no, no. - When you say it like that. - Oh yeah, yeah. - This is something you sent me. - I vibration plates. - A plate that you stand on and it jiggles you. - Yeah, not a vibrator. - It's a vibrator for sure. - That is what it does. - I send it to you to help your lower back. I send it to you to help your joints. 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And listen now. - What did you think of the hire? - What did you say on the record when they hired it? - I was thrilled at the possibility. - Yeah, 'cause you thought, "Man, we got a big time NFL coach college." - Not just, not just, I didn't think it was a boon for college football, but I as a sports consumer wanted to see how he would react in the world of college football. Because college football coaches have to go through so much more BS and so much more crap than NFL coaches. And he couldn't handle the BS of the NFL. And when he was show up to a press conference, Matt and Angry, can you imagine when these beatwriters that cover for 8,000 people in some college town come up to him, he's gonna eat him alive. And I thought, that's what I was looking forward to. I was looking forward, but he is not that. He is a neutered version of himself. He is, it's bad. - It's bad, it's bad. He's a shell of himself. It didn't work. - I think I applaud North Carolina for taking the shot because you know what, why? I don't applaud him at all. - I do, because you gotta think outside the box if you're these bad, if you're these programs that aren't Georgia and aren't all these teams. You've gotta think outside the box and somehow, and they wanted to bring in, they wanted to bring in him and bring in him with his personal expertise. And they wanted to build this GM thing around him and they wanted to build like an NFL life thing. I get where they were thinking. I applaud him for thinking it. It just bombed so badly. - No, you don't applaud him for thinking it. First off, the GM they needed was in the building. Pat Suddus was already in the building. - Sure. - Turned the best in the business. Secondly, thinking outside the box is a little overrated in the modern age. The box you need to be thinking in is, we're North Carolina. We could actually spend a lot of money. John Sumrell actually wants this job two years ago. He's got a quarterback. You guys have probably heard of him, Darian Mensa, who actually could be at North Carolina right now, entering year two with John Sumrell. That's the box that you think in. But Sumrell is going through the whole coaching search process and feels pretty good. - Yeah. - North Carolina, Bubba Cunninghandy. He feels really good. And then all of a sudden, it's, uh oh. What, my administration's running an entire separate search under the cloak of night. - Yeah. - John Sumrell is out, any quality candidates out. And then I've got the 33rd NFL team stuff. - Well, at no point did I believe, did I say in my mind, "Well, good hire." I simply said, "Interesting hire." - Yeah, but you called it. "Interesting hires are enough to feed us for a week, man." Sometimes interesting hires are enough. I'm not worried about North Carolina winning football. - That's really what I'm worried about. - I'm not worried about North Carolina winning football. - Because you've got people who you're close to Katherine Stats among them in your life. - Oh, no. - You're looking up for Katie. Now you're going to steal Katie Stats. You got your sausage fest behind the glass here. And you won't, you won't, my producer, Katie Stats. That's where it is. - Here's what I miss. - I miss. - Something big. - That white dude's back there. - I miss. - Jack Mac, Casey, Katie, pregnant pause for effect. And then you, that was actually coming for food for me. - You enjoyed that. - Yeah. - Well, Jack Mac grew his TikTok audience very large. And he, you don't have to tell me. I see it. - And God bless him. - He's out there doing his work. And then, you know, Casey Smith, I guess, is Miss Fox News now. So I don't know what to tell you. And Katie Stats just wants to be the CEO of the company. It wants to be behind the scenes. - Do you think Casey's running in 2028? (laughing) - Woo! - Aw. - Mm. - Mm, mm. - No. I think she is happy doing what she's doing. I think she is enjoying the Fox News. - She's great. She's great friend of mine. - Yeah, she's awesome. - No. - All right, so as you were flying down here, you may or may not have seen this last night. - So this. - When do you think I left? - This is actually true. You've been traveling today. - No. - So I don't know if you've seen this today. - Sure. It happens once or twice per year. The whole fall wedding thing. It pops. - Mm-hmm. - Usually not for me, but I get dragged into it. I've long since made my feelings known on this. I really do view it as disrespect. - I, I, can I stop you there? - Go ahead. - You said usually not for me. You are the face of no fall wedding. - I get told you to it. - I stated, I spoke my piece a long time ago on it. - Sure. get pulled into it. But I people think here is here's what bothers me if there's anything that bothers me about this. It's that people think folks like me who really would turn down a friend if they invited me to their wedding if it's on a Saturday during football season. They think it's an act or a stick or something like that. It's none of those things. And the worst gotcha, someone tried it on me this morning. The worst gotcha is when someone says, oh, so you're telling me the college football is more important than someone's wedding and they think that got you. And then I just go, yeah, yes, didn't say it's more important in your marriage. I said, it's more important in your wedding. And you've got, I don't know how many dozens of Saturdays that you can pick from. You could also do a week day wedding during the fall if it's an absolute lash resort. But if you go and ask me to choose your wedding over a Notre Dame Miami, yeah, I'm telling you hard, no, I'm never feeling bad about it. And I'm not bashful about saying, yes, my world largely revolves around this sport. It's, it's given me the ability to do what I love to do for a living, but, but even if I couldn't do it for a living, my world would still revolve around it in the fall. So I'm hard out on weddings. I don't apologize for it. It's not a stick. It's just a mentality and a lifestyle. So you're, you're, you're 45 years old now. You make a lot of money doing this. You were in your 20s, two decades ago. When you're in your 20s, making no money, just like all of us in our 20s, did you have the same approach? Did you have the same approach? Because, you know, you must have started it now. That's, that's, that's food off your table. But if you miss one back then, did you have the same approach when all your buddies were, 'cause listen, we're old, right? First of all, the same age. We're the same age. Nothing. Our friends aren't getting married anymore. They are. Our friends aren't getting married. That's the one thing I go to is my daughter. The first read is too largely what it used to be. Second marriages don't count. You know that. That's very much. Look, I would argue some of the first ones didn't count. The second one's absolutely count. So Harris County, Georgia, the average age of first marriages, like 21 and a half. What's Harris County, Georgia? I can do it with this. Harris County, Georgia's where I'm from. These are the weddings theoretically that I'd be asked to go to. All right. Now, here's all I want to say, 'cause I am not as hard-line about this as you are. Am I going to go to a wedding in the fall? No. Then you're as hard-line as I am. No, I'm not. 'Cause this is America. If you want to go to a wedding in the fall, if you want to use a bathroom, whatever, you go. I'm not going to tell you what to do. I'm not as hard. It's first one. The bathroom gender thing in fall weddings. First time they've ever been looped into the same conversation. So that's an awesome job. Secondly, at no point, did you ever hear me, nor will you ever hear me say, 'Oh, you shouldn't be able to get married in the fall. Go do it. Go do it. Go do whatever you want to.' It's not about that. It's about the quasi-social pressure that people try and put on you when you don't want to attend the wedding because Georgia and Alabama are about to play. Okay. Here's the only thing I'm going to say. Because I agree with you in principle. A Brandon Walker probably abides by the Josh Pate principle here. I'm not going to push the principle on anyone else. But I will say that I do think you're robbing yourself and by being this hard-line, you're robbing other people. There's something special about the dudes and the boys being stuck together at the same place. And somebody has found a TV in the back of the reception room. And somebody has got Georgia and Auburn on the back. And everybody stands in there doing a shout, 'Hey, a little bit louder now.' And there are all those doing that. Let the women do that. But we're over here. The boys are watching ball. And that is a communal event. And you're robbing people of it. And that's awesome. So that's what I want to say. You know where else they do that? Where? Prison. You just described prison. I got stories about that, too, brother. Have you ever been incarcerated? No, no, no, not me, my dad. How long would you make it in prison? Oh, wow. I got, I got surprised in street sense. Yeah, yeah. And go ahead. No. No, we're all friends. I can't. A lot of folks behind the glass you've never met before, but we're friends in here. No, no, no, no, no. This is your show. There are standards here. There are no standards. There are no standards where I come from. So I was going to make a joke about what I would do to get respect in prison. Not even respect, but just, you know what? Let's move on. It's survival. Sure is dude. It sure is. So you work at barstool. I do. Famously you make seven figures per year. I do not. You're a millionaire. I do not somehow. And I want to ask you, are you the kind of person who looks at his job right now? It says, wow, hey, I'm 1%. I'm all, it's blessing. It's great. If I didn't have this, I would be a derelict under a bridge. Or do you really think that there's something else that you could do that they would even remotely get you close to the same galaxy of tax bracket that you're in right now. So it's an interesting, it's an interesting thought. And I'm going to answer like a real, like a, like the real brain of Walker, right? Like this is not going to be a character answer. I can't say how much word salad. Like just answer the question. I am a lucky idiot to do what I do for a living. I'm a lucky idiot. I never should have been given. I can't believe I backed into this thing. Dave saw me in 2019. And the possibilities were endless and it is growing. And I really am, I count my blessings every night. I'm so happy and lucky to do what I do for a living. That being said, I never do think about my job in the way that, well, wow, I made it. Like I am terrified constantly on a daily basis, though, another use coming along, or the somebody else is doing this. Like I'm, I'm 47. I'm still pretty hungry to do it. So, so do I make okay money? Yeah. But I make okay money. I want to make great money. And when I make great money, I assume I'm going to want to make elite money. When I make elite money, I'm going to be scared. I'm never going to make, you know, universal. You know what I'm saying? I'm never, I'm never going to, I don't think I'll ever be able to be content. You've been poor before, right? Yeah. Yeah. For 40 years. If you've been poor before. Yeah. I don't really think motivation's ever a problem. No. No. And it's just, I think what Dave liked when I got there was I was, I got, I took the job a three days before my 40th birthday at four kids. And I was, you know, I wasn't in the poor house at that point at 40 years old. But I was, I was struggling. And when I showed up in New York, I was just hungry and ready to go. And I said, Dave, I'm going to do this. This is, then I just attacked it. And I still do that to this day. And, and to my detriment a little bit. But anyway, I love doing what we do. I've, I've freaking love it. I remember I had to drive from Fair Hope, Alabama back to Nashville a couple of weekends ago. So I had read Dave's book yet. Yeah. And I have never done, that's an honorable drive. I've never done an audio book before. You did Dave's audio book. I did it. I did. That's the first ever audio book I did. So I mean, I'm waiting for him to get to you. You may not be in the book. And if you weren't, that would be completely understandable. But you were in the book. Yeah. And then he told the story about how you got hired. How mency got high great stories. Don't, don't ever, let me tell you something. I don't want to take this as a threat. I'll burn the whole building to the ground. Okay. I'll burn this building. Do not compare me and mency's story ever again. He should count his lucky stars. I exist every single day. That's how he got hired. Dave felt like he was going to strike twice, but it didn't. Well, lighting struck. Yeah. Yeah. Don't, don't, don't do that. Don't, don't compare me to mency. It's great guys. So like if I, if I were to put the following phrase on the beginning of a sentence. Sure. The Brandon Walker's and Ben Minces of the world. Well, it depends on where it goes. You just protest the rest of the sentence. Well, if I said the Brandon Walker's and the Ben Minces of the world, both are probably going to die of heart failure in their 50s. Yeah. I probably wouldn't be able to peptide now. He's fine. Peptides. I'm going to get on it. Yeah. Because the problem is when he yelled peptides at you, he was warning some instruction and he wants you to walk him through it. Once you left the building, he has no idea how to do it. So he's going to be waiting for you to walk back through. So you can tell him what to do. It was hard for me socially, you know, because I've never been in the building before. Yeah. And it's a little overstimulating because you've got 19 people who are trying to say, hey, to you, mency's one of them. And then you're also anti-social, but you know all those people. So you don't bother or you don't care about pulling your guests away from them. Most of them have two working legs and they could keep up if they wanted to. Sure. Mency's the only one who wanted to keep up, but he didn't have two working legs. It never did. And so it was just thump, thump, thump, thump, thump. Yeah, that's that's our sweet boy. And then again, as soon as you left, he had no idea what peptides were. I just took the pop off the top off some pepto and stuck it in his mouth. He's sucking on it right now. National champion chip odds are out. Yes, I'll just drink out of this and sell him a trash mug over here. No, there's names up there. Miami's up there. Texas, Georgia, Oregon, Ohio State, obviously Mississippi State, not in that group. Okay. Yeah. All right. So here's all I want you to do, but there's going to be a really short time around this. So you don't get to think about it. You don't get to go home and sleep on it. Let's just say, snap the fingers right now. I'm a genie for the next 90 seconds. Yeah. And I tell you, I have the power to grant you a Mississippi State football national championship, but you really got to tell me what you're willing to do for it. And you've got like 60 seconds now. It's got to be good enough. I've got to agree to it. You just start naming things off, but you've got to deliver on this right now. Well, first of all, my mother's 68, I sacrifice her in a heartbeat. So she can go. I'm going to keep all my kids. I will divorce my wife if you require that. You can have both my cars. You can have my house. You can have my fishing boat. You can have my golf clubs. You can have me for any sexual favor at any time you want. I don't know why you want that, but that's what I'm offering. I would make I would make you lasagna every way. Wait, wait, you're the genie. Okay. Anything short of my children I will I'm willing to give up for one one national championship from a Mississippi State. Would you like cut appendages off? Yes. Which ones? Um, any finger, uh, you'd take index finger, I would lose any finger, I'd not, I would go all fingers. I would go fingerlet, I would go, I would just go, I would just go nuts. I would go, no, I would go all fingers. You can have all toes. You can cut the legs off the knee, one leg off the knee. Yeah, that'd be good enough. Yeah, I wrote down some things I would accept. What is it? Oh, fingers and toes, I didn't have mother on here, I have divorce on here. I thought you may go pinky. Yeah. I didn't think you would. Oh, I was going to play this. You understand what it would take to get a Mr. State National title? I just think about what that would feel like. Oh my God. And you would have to go through the playoff. So it wouldn't be like the BCS title game. You went one, two, three, four games. So you'd be on a run, you want to sugarball, you want to, oh my God. Tell me the baseball national title on 2021 was unbelievable. Yeah, but that's baseball. Yeah. Yeah, even these baseball schools, like Indiana's a basketball school. Yeah. Those people, when you finally got true serenment, they had to have been honest and said, yeah, this, this is more awesome. May I, I've said this to people up there. Mark Titles is a partner of mine on mostly sports. You know, Mark Titles, college basketball guy, he said, I said this. If Indiana wins one more national title, football school, is it a football school? Because two national titles is rare or find air. Can you think of any two time national champion in college football history that isn't a football? Yeah, it's, even when Florida did it under urban, they were also winning basketball titles, still football school, still football school, still football school. And like any, any, you know, Alabama gets, goes, they want basketball. Auburn gets, goes, they want basketball. They're never going to be anything but a football school. And I'm trying to think of any other school. I can't think of any school. There's one multiple national titles in football that thinks they're not a football school. And if Indiana wins another one, they're, I think, I think their times of basketball school is open. No, I, yeah, I'd go a step further. I don't think there's any current basketball school that if they won multiple football national championships, wouldn't become a football school. So here's the litmus test because I, you, you probably see it. You're, you're down here in SEC country. Like when Kentucky threatens to get good and football, they, their fan base walks to the line and looks over in the football territory. Like, I know, I know I'm along over here, but I go over there for a while. It would happen just like that. Yeah, I think so too. And SEC school like Kentucky, because they, they were a basketball school because they're in a conference, so many football schools. And this is the piece of real estate they own. If they, if they bought that real estate, the much better real estate, they would be happy to sell only one. And I may be wrong to do this. Dukes the only one. But if Duke won a couple of football national titles, yeah, even a sizable chunk of those people with all the sudden say, it's not so bad. I, I don't, I don't think there's a school that exists that if they want a national title football, it wouldn't immediately be there identity going for like Indiana, well, Indiana might be football school now. Yeah. And the only reason you would, you, we'll get people who disagree on this. They're disagreeing as a defense mechanism and they're old. That's, that's all it is. Yeah, you're old and you're defensive. Like a 22 year old Indiana fan will never, I don't think they'll ever go basketball first again, UCLA would love to switch identities. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Kansas, Kansas right there in the middle of the country. Like Kansas is a, is this blue blood of basketball schools you can get. You give them a little taste like light pole started threatened. Man, Geno started threatening a couple of years ago. They still talking about the 2007 Missouri game. I still talk about 2007 in general. You should want the greatest seasons of all time. Do you remember when Man, Geno and them, I think they lost to USC. He thought they got screwed and that's not what I remember. What I remember is he was having a press conference and the mic was limp. Yeah. So it kept falling and he kept having to pick the mic up. Yeah. Do you remember the craziest things about 2007? Yeah, that's one of the things I remember. Oh, sevens, awesome. What do you, what do you remember about it? I remember Kentucky beat. I remember LSU losing twice, both times in triple over time. One to Arkansas or Darren McFadden going crazy and they went to Atlanta anyway. I remember, I remember so many individual like 2007. I immediately think Pat White. I immediately think Darren McFadden. I just immediately think these incredible individual players shining in a year where Ohio State or Michigan or somebody wasn't sitting on top of the sport. And just felt like every week somebody different was shining LSU then gets the chance. They ended up being a killing Ohio State from the national title and everything. But like it was a phenomenal year. I think 19 top five teams lost. You can say number two was even worse than number one. Yeah. And you think college was up there that year. Yeah. South Florida. Yeah. South Florida was up there. There was like these Rutgers Thursday night moments. It feels like there were 19 of them. But they were really only like two or three of them. Jeremy Edo pointing at the unbelievable. Yeah, that's phenomenal. You try to try and tell a 15 year old or 20 year old that happened. Yeah. Like Rutgers for a brief small moment center of the college football world. I mean, you say that, but we are living in a world where Indiana just won a national title. Yeah. And imagine telling a 15 year old 2007. Hey, soon Indiana is going to win a national title there. They'll think there's crazy. All right, crazy or thing that's happened in the history of the sport, knowing the totality of the sport. Sure. The 2007 season in all its glory or the fact that Indiana just did what they did. Because you and I agree that maybe the best a story in the history of sports. I think it's Indiana doing what they just singularly. That's crazy. And all of it. And I'm not even disagreeing with you. I really think it is. Let's just pause and reflect on the magnitude of that. We just spent. We just spent a whole kind of segment talking about. Imagine. And we didn't believe it. Could ever have. Imagine to tuck you in. Imagine Kansas. This is crazy today. Indiana. What's them? Indiana is one of the three worst programs in the history of college football. I had in trivia a question a couple of years ago that was always, you know, who the three teams never won 10 games in a regular season. It was Iowa State. It was Vanderbilt. And it was Indiana. In the last three years, they've all done it. Yeah. Like that's the kind of world we live in. Now, I think Indiana going as fast as they did because they didn't spend a decade building up to this. They didn't spend two decades building up to this. And it wasn't a guy who brick by brick. It was a guy who showed up, put a sign outside, said, help on it, got some players in bang, best business in the city. And that's unbelievable. Do you believe the phrase, if Indiana did it, anyone can do it? Yes. I do believe it. Now, you can believe a lot of things are possible. You can believe a lot of things are possible while acknowledging, they're not probable at all. All things are possible, but there's probabilities too. It is very, very, very unlikely, but I do believe it. All right. I don't want you to take this as an insult. Sure. You don't say a whole lot of really deep stuff. Respectfully. When you do. I took that as an insult. Can you write that down as an insult? When you do, I really think you ought to pregnant pause. Do you remember what you just said? You're telling me how to be deep? You know what? You're trying to face turn. You're trying to reinvent yourself. It's not the worst thing in the world to make people, to give people time to go. Yeah. So, what I just said was, do I think it's possible? Yes. I think it's probable. No. Basically, just of it. I'm not sure where a pregnant pause was going to improve my delivery there. I think the wording was a little bit better. You know another one you had. Another banger you had the other day. Yeah. I do like this one. I do like this one. I do like this one. You don't know where I'm going. I do. That's for it. Is it about passion? It's not about it. It's not about now. College football or passion overwhelms intelligence? That's a good, that's a good line. I have no recollection of you saying it. I did. I did it. I don't know. It might have been fornally. I don't know. One of my guests that didn't do as big a number to you. Love time fornally. Follow me. You should text them. Not me. She brought it to them. Not me. Well, if fornally wasn't on another show that did great numbers, I would view him as the determining factor. Sure. No, what you said was, LSU under Lane Kiffin, they spent $40 million, and I said, is that going to be sustainable? Can they spend that every year? You said, can they? No. Will they? Yes. Absolutely. That's great. The governors involved LSU and Louisiana are going to spend whatever, they can get their hands on every single year. Is it sustainable? My God. No. But that doesn't matter. Somewhere in the SEC, and really, and that is infecting the rest of California. Let's play this game right quick. Sure. You're a billionaire. Thank you. Yep. I'm a billionaire. Sure. We need to think this through. We probably became billionaires because we really, really understand sound financial strategy and investment strategy. It's an insult to our financial intelligence to take a dollar bill that lighted on fire. Yeah. Maybe even in the name of entertainment. Sure. But we love college football. Is there that part in our mind that says, you know what? All of these sound financial principles, I'm going to apply to 99% of my life. But I have got so many zeros in my net worth. I am so liquid right now. Yeah. I'm willing to essentially buy a college football team. Yeah. No, I don't think this is far fetched at all. I think professional sports have long been the play panel billionaires, right? Right. Okay. You, they can make money. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. You can, what you put in, you can get out. That's fine. You're trying to convince me. A man has 80 years to live, right? I 80 years to live. Some. And some men. 70 years to live. And 65 years to live and billions of dollars to spend how many years of that life are going to contain a national championship or competing for a national title or his alma mater, something that has driven him his entire life. If a man can channel what he has achieved in the world to build that and make it a possibility, the man is going to do that. And I don't think that's even crazy. I don't think that's even unsound financially. You make the money, put it into yourself, put it into your happiness, and meet, like, if I were a billionaire, Mr. States, the best team in America, tomorrow, because I'm giving an absurd amount. So yeah, I don't even think that's unsound. What would you expect in return? Would you be the kind of hands-off person? Like this says, "Hey, I'm giving this money. "I understand the equation. "You guys do your jobs. "Win me a national championship." Or would you be the kind of person who said, "I gave that money with it. "There are strings attached." - I would have probably an eight bedroom house custom built inside the stadium of Mississippi State. - Yeah. - I would, if you visited Starkville, you would know, oh, Brandon Walker is part of this on the water tower and everything. - Yes, correct. - There would be, I would be a very ego-tistical, I'm gonna need you to thank me for this natural final kind of guy. - That's what I would do. If I were, and I don't even know how involved he is, there's whispers in this. If I were Mark Cuban and Bloomington, Indiana right now, Mike, you know how I, you logo, I think Mark Cuban's face should be there. - That's eye. - That's eye to the you. - I use eye. - Yes, that's eye Mark Cuban. I come on Mark Cuban on the helmet. - I'd be crazy. I remember when NIO first started, it's not that long ago. I remember thinking all these guys really want to own a pro sports team. But if you can't own a pro sports team, the next move right now is you could be the de facto owner of a college football team. - I think, I think you're missing the mark on that one. I think, especially in the South, I think people grow up prioritizing their college team to such a level that it's priority number one. And I don't think these are necessarily people that have had dreams of owning a pro sports team. I think, I think step number one for them is the college, that's fine. And I respect that kind of person. I would be that kind of person. I was more saying one of my early fears was someone who's from Minneapolis or something like that. It's just a tech billionaire who inexplicably lives in Minneapolis. They're looking and saying, "I want to buy the clippers, "I want to buy the Timberlake, I want to buy the Brewers, "but I can't." So the next best thing is I could own Florida. - So I don't think that's ever gonna happen. I don't think anybody's any billionaire is ever gonna just look at a market analysis and say, "This is where a college football team should pop. "This is where I'm gonna invest my money." Because in order to invest your money in a college football team, it has to be passion first. - It does, I think it does, because again, like you said, you're not getting, you're not gonna be able to, like the guy that bought the Lakers for 10 billion and sold over 12 billion. You're not gonna be able to do that with the Florida Gators. - Oh no, no, no, so what I was saying, and this is my fear, I wasn't saying this would be my strategy. My fear was, let's say I own an entertainment company. Let's say I own Josh Pate Productions. - Yeah. - And I really don't care about college athletics, but I look and I see, wait, this student thing called NIL came, but there are no guard roles on it. So theoretically, I could just bankroll Ole Miss or Mississippi State, and really the return on it is gonna be, I'm gonna get Josh Pate Productions such visibility that that's gonna be the return on it. - Not to mention, I'm gonna pretend to like these people so that I can endear myself to an entire Southern culture and I'm gonna play 'em for fools. That was my fear. - I just, I think it's why we're lucky to live in a sport where financial return will never outweigh emotional return. 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And listen now. - You've lived in Chicago three years, right? - Yeah. - But you grew up in Mississippi. - West Point, Mississippi. - So you grew up in like the hottest weather imaginable - Yeah. - North of the Amazon Rainforest. - Yeah. - What are perfect football conditions? - That's a great question. So, I do, I work with a guy named Big Cat and Dave, and they're once from the one, one, you know, got Chicago ties, one's got Massachusetts ties. I'm not job work for him, that's not a name drop. You eat, okay, all right. And they're like, you know, what football weather? Zero degrees and soldier feel, or Lambo feel. - To me? - To me, to me SEC, you can give me, give me gray skies, 52 degrees. No rain, but it feels like rain's hanging in the air. And I let you know what I love, what I love. I love a game starting in the afternoon and ending in the deepest darkest night. That's one, that's what I love. You give me, you give me late October in Knoxville, Tennessee. It starts in the brightest sun you've ever seen. And by the fourth quarter, it's the darkest night you've ever seen. And nobody's cold, but everybody's like, you know, they're not the quarter zip zone. That, to me, is football weather. - So I really have grown to the test called weather, the older I've gotten. So I remember a couple of years ago, you remember the early, it was like a week, two or a week, three game, Ohio State went to Notre Dame. They won on the last play of the game. - Sure. - So that's the best day I've ever seen. Best day I've ever seen, blue skies, the red and green on campus, awesome. It was low 70s, it was low humidity. You can still get like a mild sunburn because it's not like late in winter. Sun angle's still pretty good. But that was, I think a 330 kickoff. So I think it's early enough to be sunlight and then the game ends in darkness. And I remember thinking to myself, I don't really think it gets much better than this. - Now, especially those gold helmets in the early evening, like the sunset and all that, yeah, it's pretty good. I think anything, any absence of hot and any absence of cold is right where you want to be. - Yeah, 'cause that Tennessee playoff game at Ohio State. - Yeah. - A couple of years ago. - That was cold. Yeah, at least it's - Did you run out with your shirt off to begin the game? - No, I actually had to buy clothes for the-- - Had you had your chest implants put in yet or was that before that? - No, no, okay. - I don't think implants can do that. - You'd be surprised. - You ever had any cosmetic procedure? - No, no, no, no, no, no. - No, Kasey had that covered on his necessarily roughness. - Is that, I don't think that's necessary either. - I just said it was unnecessary. It was a name of the show. - What's your biggest regret in life? - Probably not starting podcast earlier. I've stuck with a newspaper in the writing game for like 10 years too long. And I didn't have any clear path. I'll give you credit for this. You have a clear path of what in your mind you can accomplish in this business and you have a clear path of how you're gonna do it. You can visualize, set a goal and go get it. I can't, I float, I float, I do my stuff. And if somebody ricks out and grabs me, that's great. But I don't have a very goal oriented mindset. So I wish I had a little bit of that in me. That's my regret. - If you would have started it in 20, when did you start? When did you first start doing podcasting? - So I started doing a Mr. State podcast in like 2014. - Just pretty early. - Making five, but yeah, but I was just doing it, 'cause they had a little podcast company, Brian Haydad down there, you know Brian Haydad? - Yeah, yeah. - And I was just doing it for five, 15, 20 bucks a show. Didn't just do it on the side. And then I didn't really start until 2018, when I started with SEC country. - That's what I mean though. - It was early, but I didn't know what I was doing. - That's still early. It was Chris Marler with SEC country at all. - No, I don't believe he was. He started on South Guy. - Saturday down South is what I'm thinking about. I've never actually told him this story. I was in Columbus doing people news stuff, hates me by the way. - Yeah, yeah. - It's probably plenty of reason. - Yeah, sure. - Yeah, so I'm down in Columbus doing local news. - I kid you not. Now that I think about it, I see Casey Smith. She was with text bags at the time. I see Casey Smith do a Facebook live. It was the first time I knew Facebook live existed. - I started my own Facebook live. - Yep. - So that's when I realized, uh oh, something's happening. - Yeah. - And then I started to put together the idea in my head to do what I do right now. Like that was a concept back then. And so I'm thinking to myself, okay, I've got, I've got no big platform though. But I think what could happen? I think the way I could expedite this whole process is, I hit up Shannon Terry, 24/7 sports, he hit me back. I hit up SEC country and Saturday down South. 'Cause they had big digital media followings. - You put up SEC country? - I believe I did. - I was in charge of the podcast with SEC country. - You probably cold-shouldered me. - I don't think I did. - But I don't know about SEC country. I know I hit up Saturday down South. And my pitch was, you guys already have a big following. You're not doing anything in the way of live broadcasting right now. Let me do that for you so that I can grow my following. You guys can have that presence and it was just every time it was a door slammed in the face. - Yeah, I'm crazy. You saw something that a lot of people didn't see. A lot of people were just doing it because that's what other people were doing. They didn't realize what it could be. And you saw it. - Which makes you think. - Yeah. - All right, this is the way it is in 2026. - What's it gonna be? - What is it in 2013? - I have no clue. - It's never stayed the same for any two-year period. - No. - I don't know how you negotiate your contracts. I'm terrified to negotiate a deal more than one or maybe two years because you have no idea the whole world upends. But at least for us, it's upended for the better. Like if you do what we do, it's upended for the better. - Well, I'm on a lifetime contract at Barstool and my ankle brace that goes off every now and then if I get too far away from day partner. - That's a great gig though. - I'm not allowed to talk to anybody else. - Yeah, that's a great gig. - Yeah, no, who knows where it's going. I'm just, again, I'm gonna see to my pants guy and I just, I'd say turn on the camera, give me a mic and let me go. Some, I cost too much to do this. I don't have the planning that you got. - You. - Nor do I have an army of white guys behind the screen. - Hey Bradley. Bradley, famous Caucasian Bradley, they're waving back at you. Oh, you can't see him? - It's cause he's not white. - He's wearing the white shirt of all time. I saw him. - I saw him. - I see him. - What is he? - Why don't you block him. - It's Bradley. - That's pretty white. - He's from Montgomery. - Okay, well, fair enough. - I'll be shocked if I hadn't blocked him, has, okay. Now, okay, is this something you're gonna do? Is this what we're gonna do? - I didn't say a word about it. - It's on the screen right now. - Why don't you read what's on the screen? - Josh Pate, at Josh Pate's CFB, we're the picture by the way that it was taken like six years ago because you don't look like that as much anymore. Has Brandon Walker blocked you? I wanna hear your story in the replies from no reason and particular. - Okay, so I post that earlier this morning. - Yeah, I'm aware. - I don't think much more of it. I check my phone again and I have-- - Can I guess? - Can I guess the number? - I'm gonna give you an updated number here. You can go ahead and guess. - 250. - You think I have 250 replies? - Oh, that is. - It's not 2015. How many replies do you think I had? - 80. - I've got a thousand replies. I've got 3,000 likes. - Yeah, well, you're welcome for the numbers. Is that what you're saying? - How do you even get interaction with people? You've blocked three quarters of the internet. I have not blocked three quarters of the internet. I don't block people who just want to-- And people can joke about me. They talk crap. I don't block people who just want to talk fun stuff. I just, you know, I'm 47. I'm just not gonna read the-- I'm just gonna say, I'm not gonna read the bullshit. - Okay. - If somebody, if somebody deems me and says, "Hey, you don't like Clemson, you're a fat." And I'm just like, no, you're out. I'm not doing that. - Some of these people gave the reasons you blocked them. - Well, they're lying. - This doesn't seem very weighty. - Well, I have a lot of roles. I have a lot of roles. No snitch tweeting. So if I say something you don't like, you can't run an app, rent, rent, rentables. Oh, this guy was being mean to you. You're out. - You see a lot of that? - No snitch tweeting. No Ole Miss fans. If you got Hottie Tottie in your name or anything like that, you're out. - What? - Yeah. Let's see, no slurs. - Oh, yeah, we gotta watch the language. - Yeah, yeah. - Gotta watch the language. I'm not gonna be, listen, I'm a grown man, okay? - If you can't talk and communicate without Cousin, what's wrong with him? - Yeah. - That's what I say. - No knuckle triggers allowed. Well, this dude, this dude just commented on your physical appearance. You do that all the time. Why can't he comment on it? Is anything he said inaccurate? - No, and I guarantee you that's not why he got blocked. There's no way that's why he got blocked. He might have got blocked 'cause he's got the horns up sign in his little thing there. That might have been in a bad Texas mode that day. One dude just zoomed in on your thumb and said it was shaped like a shrimp. - Yeah, so I hate, I hate when you send a picture, when you put a picture on the internet of, let's say it's me and Wade Box, okay? On a fishing boat with the same chest, right? And me and Wade Box, and then a guy will, this dude that's obsessed with everything he ever sees will take the picture and go down to one little pixel and say, oh, what was that? Somebody whose toe hair was funny. It's like, that's weird, dude. That's weird, no weirdos. That's weird. How many weird interactions do you have? Over the course of the year, given the audience that you attract and how many weird grocery store interactions do you have? - Oh, I have none in real life. - Really, for real? - None, no, nobody does that shit in real life. - I was traveling to Cannell for a couple of years and he cannell's pretty polarized on the internet. So I'm thinking to myself to watch people like Cannell. - No, they don't do it, not a single one. - No. - No, people are normal in real life. - Yeah, they're normal people. And I just ask people to be normal on the internet. - 'Cause you know what, so I was telling my mom about that and she was saying, oh, it must be that you don't see the crazy people in real life. And at first I thought that, but then I realized, no, the law of averages states that eventually, if you're getting thousands and thousands and thousands of these kind of interactions on the internet, you're running in the sum of those people in real life. It just turns out those people are not their real selves on the internet and then in real life, it's, hey bro, yeah. - You think the picture? - Yeah. - My granny always used to say, crazy he has his crazy dots. - Wow. - Yeah. - And what I'm not gonna do is publicly doubt that she said it. - Yeah. - 'Cause that wouldn't be kosher. - Well, she's dead. - So when we were in Chicago, I kind of dominated you on 90s country, but we couldn't finish. If there's one thing you didn't dominate me, it was on 90s country. And I can sit here, I can sit here for the rest of the day. We're in Nashville, right? We can talk country music all day. - Some people say they don't produce country here anymore. I just think they're not listening to the right country. - Did you listen to my guy? - You did put me on Zack Top. - Yeah, pretty good, right? - I did like it. - Zack Top's awesome. - You know who else, this is not a mystery. Like Miranda Lambert's a huge star. - Yeah. - I did not know how deep her catalog went. 'Cause I know her singles. - Sure, sure. - Like I don't know that I had ever downloaded a Miranda Lambert album. - Yeah, I mean either 'cause I have a penis. - It's like a, it's good stuff. - I downloaded a 2024 album a first of the other day. I listened to it top to bottom. - Sounds a lot. - It's like half a dozen bangers. - Really? - Oh, are you too good for a women's country? - I'm not too good for a men's country. I'm too good for Miranda Lambert in the year of rural or 2026. - You can't be serious. - Okay, tell me, look, I'm not paid to defend Miranda Lambert but it sounds like it. Who are you placing above her? Last decade, women's country. - I mean. Laney Wilson's very good. - Ella is coming, buddy. - Ella is here and coming and can I just say something? You thumbs me down one more time. We're gonna have a problem. Don't you thumbs me down when I say Laney Wilson's good at country music, okay? - Who gave you the thumbs down? - That one right there. - Oh, Mitch did. - Mitch, he went, and he did, he covered it like that. All right, no, are you an Elefella? - Oh, big time, but that's not what he thumbs down to you for. - He thumbs me down for saying, "Lany Wilson's good." "Lany Wilson's good, dude." - "Lany Wilson's good." - "Lany Wilson best song probably on the Twister soundtrack." - Oh, Twister soundtrack's good. - Yeah, it was good. - Yeah, Twister soundtrack, that's good. - Oh, last, I don't know. Has Miranda been hit like that the last 10 years? - No, I would even say in the last 10 years, though. Like, obviously, her bigger hits were-- - Yeah. - Dude, she's been around a while now. - Yeah. - What's your favorite Miranda Lambert song? - Well, I've got recency bias 'cause Way Too Good at breaking my heart is a song I never heard before. - Sure. - It's in 2024, I sent it to you, didn't listen to it. - You recently got married, right? - Oh, last year, yeah. - Yeah, so that's what your wife listens to, and you-- - No, she never heard the song. - Every, you notice every time you try and read me, it's, you're a literate. You try to read me, too? - Like, it's a very easy, it's like a paint by numbers, though. It's really easy. - It's not a book with a lot of pages. - So tell me this, go back to the '90s. 'Cause I assume that's your wheelhouse for country, right? All right, so if you had to sell people, like Jesse, Jesse doesn't listen to music. - Yeah. - I can tell, he's also not very bright. - If I said-- - Look how dull his face is. - No, we're not going that round. - Okay, so we're not going that round. - Sorry, sorry. - At least on air. - If I say that-- - We're talking about Mr. Jesse. - I don't know what we're talking about. - Okay, sorry. - Showed up for two seconds. - Okay, sorry. - Yeah. - You got to sell Jesse on country music. Are you the kind of person who goes like the most square, route imaginable? - Here's friends in low places, or do you have the ones you know are wheelhouse? There's no way even if you don't like country, you couldn't like this song. - Okay. - So what you said, you're judging certain people. - Yes. - But let's be honest, let's go back to 1991. If you're taking somebody that only listens to rock or rap or anything of the sort, and you want to get them over to country, I think, showing them Garth Brooks and saying, hey, look over here. Garth. Well, you've heard of Garth, right? You look, if you like Garth, let me show you Mark Chessner. - So he's like the front porch. - He's the front porch. He's the light. He's the sign. He's the sign on the highway. He's the McDonald's sign. Over billions and billions serve. But once you get, there's a restaurant behind McDonald's. Mark Chessner. Joe Diffy. I'm going to get you in here. And then we're going to get into the real stuff. If Garth Brooks was the McDonald's of country music, could we then say that I'm the equivalent of that in college football media? And then if I get people in the door, maybe they end up seeing you. Have you seen the recent numbers out of fast food? It appears Burger King is closing in on McDonald's. - Closing in. - Burger King is growing and double the rate McDonald's as these days. And I didn't even know that. By the way, was that Photoshop a real shirt? - It's a real shirt. - He's around here somewhere. - That was a yes. - Listen, I don't like to give you credit for anything, because I just don't respect you that much. That was a good move. When I saw that, I was like, oh, he's playing, he's good. This guy's good. That was a good shirt. - Really going to suck when I make your year's salary selling that in my store. - Yeah. That would suck. It thousands of people bought a shirt with my name on it. That was certainly suck. I would hate that. Oh, you got me. - Here's what I was going to say. - Yeah. - I think Neon Moon by Brooks and Dunn is pretty close to the perfect country selling. - I agree. I don't think I need to front porch him, because I don't think I would ever play Neon Moon for anyone, even if they've never listened to country in their life. - Yeah. - And they would say, ah, that's just doesn't do it for me. - Okay. But I think there's always, there's always a reason to front porch country music with some people just judge it too harshly to begin with. Let's take Alan Jackson, for example. You can front porch shed a hoochie. Okay. You can say, you know, I know you know this, you're going to like this, everybody likes this. Let me introduce you in some midnight Montgomery. You know, Alan. - What? What a drop there. - What? Yeah. - Oh, I love that. - I think it's the best steel guitar song I've ever heard. - Right. So, I'm just saying, I'm saying you can always front, because you can use Neon Moon as the front. Garth, George, Alan, Brooks and Dunn, and for later people, Kenny Chesney, I'm not a Kenny Chesney guy, but that, those guys transcend country music to the level, you can use them to get people in. - Yeah. That's fair. - Yeah. Although I, and maybe Reba too, Reba shout out Reba. I'm not a Reba guy, but she's big enough for that. Reba's the Beatles. - Yeah. Not that they're one of one, but yeah, there's only one Reba though. - Yeah. I got no problem looking at the Beatles and saying, not for me, appreciate what they did for the future. - So, I can say the same thing about Reba, I can say it about Dolly Paard, and I can say it about anyone like me. - Yeah. Do you want to get into the one you texted me? - Yeah. - About Trisha Yearwood, not being all that great? - I didn't say she wasn't all that great. - You said she's over what, so my thought is, yes, she's overrated. - Yeah. - Her catalog is, I think the profile of Trisha Yearwood is a little overhyped for me. So, she's in love with the boys, a top 10 country song in the '90s, okay. Are you talking about chart or are you talking about it? - I'm talking about the fact in the four movies. - If you choose, every song that made it to country radio in the 1990s, every single one of them, small hits, underground hits, everything, everything that Nashville played at any point, she's in love with the boys, a top 10 song in the '90s. That is a fact. I'm going to talk about "Walk Away Joe", I'm talking about X's and O's, I'm talking about all those things. Like, these are great songs, I love Trisha Yearwood, and I think she's fantastic. - That's what I have to say. - I don't think she ever had a top 50 song of all time in the genre. - You don't think she's in love with the boys, a top 50 country song, not from me, but I will grant you chart wise, chart history, yes, obviously, I can't write charts. I just care. When she's in love with the boy comes on, it brightens my whole day. It's a mood changer for me. - It's an auto skip for me. - It's an auto skip. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. She never had that song for me. She never had those ones. - Do you think something's wrong with you? - No, I just think I see Trisha Yearwood through a different lens. - I told you my theory on Walk Away Joe, that's a Don Henley song. - I don't think it is. I don't think it is. Who will stand? What's Jody Messina's reign song? Is it a Tim McGraw song? - Is it a Tim McGraw song? Yeah. - No, I thought that was more of a duet. - Okay. - 'Cause I think he's in it just the same amount Don Henley's in the other one. - Yeah. - Who does it he do? Oh, he did a lot of stuff. Faith Hill. - Tim McGraw. - Tim McGraw. - Yeah, I told her together. - I don't believe that. - I told her to go. - I don't know. Faith Hill? - Yeah. - The singer? - Do you, where do you think Faith Hill kind of pegs in all this? - So I was never really a huge Faith Hill guy either. - Faith Hill is, to me, she was too big, I think she's kind of like Kenny Chesney. - Yeah. - I think there's a very, there's a story and there's a post and like there's, there's a lot of Faith Hill stuff, Wild One's Secretive Life. - It matters to me. - Tim, yeah. - That would fit that time period. - Yeah. - And then you get to the Breathe era and she blows up and it's the, her biggest hits are not her best stuff. Longstar. - Wow. - Longstar's the same way. - That's absolutely right. - When Longstar broke up, blew up with Amazed and I'm already there. - And I don't know how you do, which, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. But if you go, you know, three years before when they were doing everything's changed and all that stuff to Kila talking, Longstar's another one that wore better before they blew up. - Jeffrey, just ask yourself, why are the biggest hits the biggest hits? - I think a lot of them are self-explanatory, right? Like, you know, there's, there's, there's ease of writing and then there's, you know, there's catching it. All the places you don't have to guess why that's a hit. - Yeah. - That's just fun to sing. And you cannot like it, but you can't deny that it moves the crowd. - Yeah. So my, I don't have a problem with friends and love places. I think what I realized as I was a kid growing up, yeah, that's still for this way now is the fun songs. Like if someone said, I love that song cause it's catchy. - Yeah. - I never cared about catching this. - What do you care about? - I care about, like, provoking lyrics. - A lot of structure. I like how it feels. I like, I don't really, it doesn't have to be all that deep. - Yeah. - Like, she don't know she's beautiful. It's not that deep. - No, it's not. - But I love it as a song. It's very simply arranged. I love it as a song though. - I was, 1999, I was dating a girl. - Holy crap. - Yeah, I was, I was surprised about it too. And my mom was so proud cause they did. Thank you. Anyway, um, I was dating a girl. She don't know she's beautiful. I've been dating her for like three weeks. She don't know she's beautiful by Sammy Kershaw. It comes on. - You made it? - No, no. The opposite. She goes, I love this song. It reminds me of me. - Oh. - And I was sitting in the garbage seat, like, no, wait a minute, the point of this song. He loves her because she is beautiful, but doesn't act like it and she doesn't know she's beautiful. She carries on, like, she's not the most beautiful thing in her son. And you're sitting there saying, you are her. But that means you're beautiful. So you know you're, and I think, I think that was it. I think it took a wrong turn shortly thereafter. And then you said, babe, let me play Queen of My Double Wedding. - Because I have, I've been thinking about it. No, we've played going through the big day. Don't mean Dallas for the rest of the trend, boy. - Yeah, so that was, that was a crazy one. - Okay, the other thing we didn't talk about when I came up Chicago. What would you say your relationship is with pro wrestling right now? So I have, I have kids, I have a 10 year old, a 14 year old now, a 16 year old, and a 17 year old. And 17 year old has been into it for, for about a decade now. So we was going to a couple of Wrestlemania's over the last 10 years. I thought it went through a phase there when AEW started in 2019, and then WWE caught fire right after COVID until about 2024. I thought it went through about a three year phase where it was hot and as good as it had ever been. Now we're in the cooling off period in between Booms, I think. - I still, I will watch Wrestlemania, I will watch Summer Slam. I'm not watching the weekly shows or the monthly pay per views. - So there's two conversations. [BLANK_AUDIO] Alright, you can get a lot more nuanced on the modern product. Yeah, but I've kind of been out on the modern product anyway Yeah, I'm very much the quintessential give me back my attitude era I'm probably going to watch raw vault on Netflix. Yeah, which by the way I got some comments side note. Yeah How do you at one point in time have WWE Network, which has every episode of Monday Night Raw? Yes, and then move it to Netflix and then not have every Monday Night Raw and have the same 15 episodes uploading Even though I know they exist because I watched them before so they're literally in a vault somewhere It's one of the great tragedies of last year's. What are we doing? They got 2014 They gave us the WWE Network. It was the best thing I've ever seen then they moved to peacock And I was like don't move to peacock and then it was okay on peacock and then they said we're going to Netflix And I said well, I was gonna move the library over there, but they didn't move the library over there And now now we'll say the WWE vault pretty good. They do good job good work over there YouTube good work But it'll never be what it was there are more episodes on YouTube than there are on actual Netflix I could get more on YouTube than I can get on Netflix and I have to pay for Netflix is it YouTube amazing? Well, it is it's changed my life. I know that. Yeah, it's gonna change my into eventually All right, what's the biggest thing that's about to happen this year? Have you picked your national champ? I haven't I'm just circling a couple of teams. I really think it's just I keep coming back to Oregon I keep coming back to everybody wants to Papu, Oregon and Texas to some extent and Notre Dame some extent because Those teams and those coaches have not broken through yet, but I don't care about that if I say I pick Oregon when national champ And then somebody else says well, Dan landing is proven he can't win it. No, he hasn't he's proven he hasn't won it yet Right curvy smart hadn't won it till he did Indiana hadn't won it till they did you know Ryan date hadn't won it till he did And I think Dan landing to me with this roster is the next guy that breaks through and becomes the he he can win it Did you know out of the last seven national championship winning teams? Five of them had coaches that had never won one before that. Yeah, and it well I mean Sabin ate up 20 years of the sport Sabin and Devo ate up 20 years of sports There weren't any national titles to go around So so there were bound to be new guys to come along. So we do we are guilty as a cause football populace of acting like somebody who hasn't When it hasn't won it can't win it. We are wrong. They are guilty. Well, then they are yeah And I've been guilty of that before that. I have doubted I doubted curvy smart all the way up until the day one title Even though I think I picked yours and win the title that year because the title was the the roster was so overwhelming But like it's it is easier to doubt a guy than believe in a guy who hasn't done it before Yeah, all right. So then follow up How long does it take before you join that chorus on Sark or Dan landing Mario crystal ball having won one yet like how many years would they have to be on the green? Yeah, and miss the putt for you to finally say maybe this dude really can't win It has to be it has to be a lot longer than right now landing would have to landing would have to go probably another a decade At least yeah another decade You know Sark Sark is closer to to that reputation in everybody else but Sark is Sark's also been very close to a national title so And it also goes into our In eight thought that Texas just should be winning national titles every year And that's almost like even an unfair expectation because there's a lot of programs It should be winning and if you look at it like that But we we have haven't ingrained in us. Oh, Texas. Yeah. They they have the resources. They ever they should be winning it every year And we don't I don't think we'd do that to Oregon I don't think we'd do that to other teams I think that's all that's a preset in people's minds though. Yeah, there's people Yeah, like you we've decided a long time ago Texas if they get some of the cooks out of the kitchen is the best job in the country Yeah, and they just carried over to the new era and then some because all people see as the dollar figure that they can spend and it's like well If you're not winning there, you're the problem. It this can't be the problem. Yeah, couldn't be that Texas is ever the problem Yeah, Freeman Freeman's interesting one to me because he's gotten that he's gotten his stability there and they're right at the top of the sport every year But like he's he's the only one of those three to have inexplicable losses to me Yeah, but he's got losses that don't make sense and then last year at a two game season in one on two Yeah, so I had a guy come at me the other day and say Marcus Freeman can't win big games Yeah, I was like my default was no, he played for a national title two years ago Yeah, certainly he's won big games before and this this is not a crazy person who's talking to me mind you and he said all right Let me just give you my logic and I said go he said Last year they had two big games. They lost both of them. I said okay, but go back the year before and he said Oh, you're saying cause they played the national championship. Yeah, I said yeah, he said well think it through they Go to the playoff they draw Indiana at home the year before Indiana is really good sure they draw a quarterback list Georgia They play a Penn State team who's even worse at winning big games than they were and a game that was a 50-50 cornflip and then they finally play Ohio State and they get run by Ohio State and I At my core. Yeah, I still kind of disagree with it However if we were in like a public opinion court of law. Yeah, I don't think I could overrun but where's the truth? And he can't win big games or he hasn't won big games. Oh, he wasn't even saying. Yeah, he was saying he hasn't Yeah, wasn't even saying he can't yeah, he was saying my big question about him is I don't know if that's a big game program I don't know if he's a big game coach, but too many people treat he hasn't like he can't to no doubt Yeah, yeah has not does not equal cannot one and I do say one of the things I talked about earlier is you Ask me what big thing is going to happen this year. I think one maybe two giant power broker coaches in the SEC are going to find themselves on the outside looking And I think a Brian Kelly or a James Franklin James Franklin went to the plate of the final four two years ago and by October He was fired by October Josh, but five games six games after he was this close playing for national title. He was out Brian Kelly it was more of a buildup where where you know, they they they saw more you know bad turns But like that's going to happen to somebody in the SEC and I can't tell you who it is keep in mind LSU opened at Clemson last year. Yeah If I were to tell you in August if I were to tell you Brian Kelly's gonna get fired this year You would bet your life. They lose the Clemson. Sure. They won the Clemson game. That's right. Okay, so just cause someone wins an early game Yeah, that could be the ultimate false sense of security But you I go back it this is gonna be another shot at Texas, but it's not but they're the one who has the front loaded nature of Schedule where if they lose to Ohio State. Yeah, they go to Neal and two weeks later. I know and that's gonna be a dogfight either way That's a second loosable game and that's a team who could be two losses. Yeah theoretically playing OU in Dallas in mid-October So there's another team up there now They're not Texas, but they're in the second tier of title contenders. They were in the final four last year Ole Miss I'm a hater. I'm a Mississippi State fan, but logically Ole Miss opens with a Louisville program. There'll be three hours from its campus Right Louisville's about three hours away Louisville be about three hours from its campus Louisville with Lincoln Keen Holtz. That's a very well-coached team I think they've got a chance to be really good. They play LSU in week three and after they play LSU They got to go on the road to Florida Like I don't think they're gonna start with those three losses But it is not out of the realm of possibility that that September overwhelms a first-year coach if Pete goes seven and five What's the fan base's reaction? I think the fan It largely depends on which seven and which five right I don't think he is seven and five will lost to us Would be a disaster for him seven and five With you know Maybe a win over LSU or win over somebody. I went over Georgia That's a close losses. Yeah, seven and five it depends on the nature. There will definitely be questions But I don't think it would be enough to where they would make a change after one year I think it's a good place to end Yeah, the last thing I say is about Ole Miss. That's great. That's great. There's your statesman that you're talking about Yeah, well, and then I'm maybe we can drink your trash. I'll drink my trash water This was nice. I enjoyed this. This was big of you Well, it was you came to my place first. I'm a man of my word I was did you think I was gonna I was gonna stand you up did you think I was gonna take in your guest appearance and the Benefit it gave me and not give you the same benefit for having the number one cost of one million personality in your studio Thousand percent. Yes. Yeah, I thought about it. I thought about it. Yeah, are we shaking hands? Are we hugging or touching feet? Okay. All right. All right. I didn't want to hug either That was it That was it I know how I feel about it Interested to know how you feel about it. I will be paying close attention to the comments Over the next few hours and next few days. Appreciate Brandon Walker for heading down here Thank all of you for checking out the show We have had phenomenal numbers in August and look. It's not even the season yet So incredible season ahead college footballs the greatest sport in the world You guys the greatest in the world. Appreciate you so much for director Bradley producer Jesse. I'm Josh Payt. 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