The Boring Players That Will Win Yor League

Welcome to bring a fantasy football show. My name is Dana Hyfe today. I'm joined in person. Still Los Angeles by Danny Kelly crack roll back. We're still here, baby. Okay. We are going to go over the boring players. Who will win you your league because, you know what, sexy players are out. Boring players are in. We're half kidding, but we're actually, there probably is the skeleton key is players that are not trending on social media. Yes. There's a lot of sleepers. Everybody's aware of the sleepers now. We believe that the new edge is understanding which boring veterans you should take. It's a little bit of a bit, but we're also, I actually think we're right. So the other thing to know, Netflix today, live on Netflix, the ring of fantasy football league. It's Friday the 28th at 11 a.m. Pacific today. We are doing our live draft with Bill in the gang on Netflix, ring of fantasy football. One PM Eastern. So again, it's, it's the three of us. It's Bill Sidness. Two PM Eastern. Yeah. 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I can't tell you, so we're going to go into the boring players, though, when you're your league. But first, we're going to take a quick break. This episode is presented by Verizon. While you're upgrading your fantasy roster, check out how you can level up your game day with Verizon Shine. Beginning this Monday, August 31st, Verizon customers can win VIP flyaway experiences with their favorite NFL team. Enter on the My Verizon app for your chance to win one of these once in a lifetime trips. Keep checking the app for season long perks, like ticket offers, exclusive merch, and more from Verizon Shine. No purchase necessary for the NFL flyaway sweepstakes. See Verizon Shine for details. All right. Coming back in, players we thought find our boring, think our boring, whatever. Craig, when we started talking about this, the first person you said was James Cook running back for the bills. Yeah. So if we need to pick a guy from the first round who I think is boring, complimentary, I think Jonathan Taylor is also boring, but I'm not that into Jonathan Taylor in the first round. The book is the most boring player in the first round. Yeah. And I think one of the best values late in the first round. He's going like 9/10th overall, so right at the end of the first round, I just, he's quietly rock solid. I don't think anybody really thinks about him. He led the league in rushing last year. He had 14 touchdowns last year, the year before he had 18. I think the thinking was always like, well, with Josh Allen, they're, they're, it's impossible for him to be running back to really break through. Not the case. 300 carries last year. He was eighth and goal to go rushing attempts. So still, when they're inside the red zone, when they're close to the end zone, he gets the ball. But what the reason why I like James Cook more than, I guess I would last year is that one, we saw him reach a new level of touches that we didn't think he could do. Like the year before that, he only had 200 touches, but he'd turned them into 18 touchdowns. And everything over 20 touches per game. Totally. He had 200 carries in 2024. But because he had 18 touchdowns, that's why he did so well. But everybody was like, well, that's not going to happen again. And then they come back last year, 2025, he has like 300 rushes and 30 touches, 30 catches. Yeah. And so I think he's now like in the elite tier of volume. And their new offensive coordinator, Pete Carmichael, who was basically Sean Payton's quarterback's coach for the last 15 years, has been talking a lot about how they want to get James Cook involved more in the passing game, which is kind of like what James Cook's one of his better skills. That's what's coming out of college. Right. That was what he was known for coming out was basically like he's, he's going to the combine in participating in why receiver drills. He's really good receiver out of the backfield. He's undersized. And that was kind of his calling card is I could do really well in the passing game. I think it's fascinating. I do think the reason he doesn't get more hype is because he didn't catch 60 plus passes or whatever. He wasn't in that elite tier where you're basically having two players in one roster spot on your team. But I think it's fascinating that he's not like sexier as a fantasy pick because he's so good. When you watch him, he just slalms through the defense. Yeah. They always get a good job of getting him in space. It seems like he has just as many big plays as any of these other sort of like high end, really, you know, more famous, I guess, fantasy picks. But it is kind of surprising to me that people aren't more excited about him for whatever reason. I just think he is upside. I think if they throw to him more and utilize something that we know he's good at. I think a lot of times with running backs, you always hear about like the Ravens are thinking about trying, you know, trying to pass to Derek Henry more this year. And you're like, that's not what Derek Henry's good at. The fact that they're saying that about James Cook, and we know that James Cook can do that makes me more optimistic. And I feel like great floor and legitimate ceiling at the end of the first round. And not a lot of competition really. No. Yeah. It's like Ray Davis. They have like Ty Johnson. Couple of guys. Yeah. I think what this translates to is that I think we all agree. The top four players that your mere Gibbs and the Lions be John Robinson and the Falcons, Jamar Chase and the Bengals, Pukiniko and the Rams. And then at five, Christian McCaffrey, some people are excited to get him there, some people grown. But I think the answer is you could take James Cook as high as six, and like some people, he might fall out of the first round at some leagues. But I actually think I prefer James Cook to the Jonathan Taylor on the Colts because I think the issues that James Cook are, well, the bills that are really easy schedule last year, like one of the easier schedules. And maybe they don't win it. I think the bills are favorite in every game and they're in the season. And maybe the schedule's not as easy this year for Buffalo. But you can say that about so many players, Jackson Smith and Jay, but Lawson's Office Accordinator, Jonathan Taylor and the Colts. What if they don't win? Seven of the first eight games in the dozen of these positive games grips. I think James Cook, again, they're receiving if they fall behind, they're rushing. I think you could take James Cook over, yeah, John Taylor and Jackson Smith and Jekyll. I think the message I wanted to deliver about James Cook is that if you have like the 7, 8, 9, 10th pick in the draft and his name is sitting there, don't overlook him because he's boring. He is legitimately a great pick. And when you take him, no one will say anything. But that's kind of the point of this whole episode. If you wanted to do like a blind, you know how the you do like blind comparisons of two different players numbers like him and Derek Henry are so close in their numbers in terms of total scrimmage yards. Not very far apart. Total touchdowns. Derek Henry had two more total touchdowns, but Cook had more yards touches per game, almost identical carries per game, almost identical, I mean. And both on good explosive high scoring offenses with good quarterbacks and in quarterbacks that kind of help open up things in the run game, it's just fast because like they are completely different sizes and totally like archetypes, but people don't think of James Cook leading the league and rushing. No, he's not respected like a top-right elite running back in real life. And in fantasy, I know a lot of bills fans are like, he's not boring. That's not our point. Our point is James Cook's going around Saquon Barkley, Derek Henry, people who have mythology around them. And James Cook is like, if you asked an actual NFL fan to list the top five running back to the NFL, they're probably going to think about listing James Cook. No. It's a great call. DK, who is your first boring player that you think can win people leagues? Yeah. And I think this is another guy highly ranked, but I think among the elite tier receivers in the NFL, not has highly thought of, and that's Nico Collins for the Texans. I think a lot of this has to do with just the offence he plays and people are down on CJ Shroud. I get all that. He's also just not famous. Right. Why do receivers are often, AJ Brown is famous. You know, Jefferson is famous. Yeah, like they start first take. Like the first take episode can start with AJ Brown. And like, I think you'd be shocked if Steven Smith's to open with like a Nico Collins rant. Totally. Because it's like, we're not saying the way he plays is boring because it's like, yeah, he's a big, huge, fast, he's like, basically DK McAfee. His skill is amazing, but just like as a personality, as a name, he is not as famous as the other guys in this range in the last three years combined. So last year he was, why was he over 10, you know, 12.7 half PBR, nothing to like right at home about, was not super memorable, but over the last three seasons, this kind of surprised me a little bit when I looked it up. Why do you see her seven in points for game? He's ahead of Justin Jefferson, Devonte Adams, AJ Brown, Mike Evans, Rishi Rice, NT Higgins in points for game over the last three years. When he plays, he delivers, he's had some injuries to a little bit. He's like a hamstring thing. He gets a little banged up. But when he's in the field, he's fantastic. When CJ Shroud, he had such a roller coaster like the great rookie year and then the down sophomore year, but I mean, part of CJ Shroud's amazing rookie year was that Nico Collins was like, oh, this random third round around Michigan that like was kind of like a- Took him a minute to get going in the NFL, too. Yeah. And then he's like third year, he just, I mean, I think more yards is third year than he had the rest of his year combined. It was career combined. And he was like, oh my god, this guy is like the best outside receiver in the NFL after the AJ Brown. And with Jaden Higgins out, they just traded for a cash on booty, who I think is probably going to play sort of like a clear out the quote unquote sacrificial X position where you're just running vertical routes. That's his game. He's really good deep down the field. I think this will be potentially even good for Nico Collins that they made this trade because he can run those routes and then you get Nico on more of the AJ Brown style stuff where you're getting him on slants. He can run after the catch. Maybe they're going to make him even bigger part of the game in terms of his target rate, which has never been elite. He's been a big play guy. But maybe his target rate will be tick up a little bit this year. And he has a chance to be I think a top five receiver. Yeah, he hasn't had the season yet. Yeah, that's true. Not the whole season. No. 10 game stretches, but like if you look at his counting stats holistically, he doesn't have more than eight receiving touchdowns in a season. Like he hasn't quite had the like 91 catches, 1500 yards, 12 touchdown season. And you're saying that like you think kind of late second round where he's going right now. He's a solid bet to do that based on the people around him. Yes. And I think he's one of those guys who and these are the types of players you have to point out high floor and high ceiling because I think he has a really high floor. He's going to be good. He's going to be the main focal point of the offense at the very least you're going to have a solid starter at your receiver position and not feel like terrible about it. But I think he also has that ceiling play where if is like I said, if his target rate ticks up, if the Texans offense improves, if he just strut has a bounce back year, there's you're building like you could be a top five top four top three even receiver in fantasy. I think he has that upside that like not a lot of guys do. We have Niko Collins. We have him 21st in our rankings right now. We're going to update these this week. I think I still like the top 10 running backs over him. I still like would take Brock Bowers over him. And I still even like up to Dave on each and I like AJ Brown over him. But I think Niko Collins is right there with Drake London. I think Drake London. It was easy for me to take Niko over him and to what was going to play now that Pennix might play. I'm like, yeah, but I'm like, all right. Pennix is going to play 17 games this season. I don't know. I think Niko is a he's I much rather would have Niko Collins than like Crystal Lava Ibuka. Like these other guys he feels like a much safer receiver in the second round of the top 11 running backs are gone. D.K. I know you're not the biggest AJ Brown fan. Would you take Niko Collins over AJ Brown? It's really close. I think I would in some like it's one of those ones where maybe switch off like I don't have a strong lean AJ Brown over Niko. I think Niko is more stable and has a higher floor though. I think I do think and I agree with you guys like I know I was playing devil's advocate on bill show the other day about AJ Brown. I do think AJ Brown has a ridiculous ceiling. I think. You left that out. I think I feel like I kind of alluded to that, but I do think Niko's floor is higher. I'm just mad that he thinks the floor is higher, but it's fine. No, I well, actually the one thing I want to mention on this just because I think it's worth it. We also talk on our last episode about players we don't want to draft and you mentioned David Montgomery and the issue is Houston. So they like Raiden Smith the right tackle got he caught it off. We don't know the injury. Cardinal in training camp is always weird because let's like you think of it like a game. Sometimes they're like yeah, but the fields far away like we just need a golf cart. So we'll see what happened at Raiden Smith. I don't think we have a diagnosis yet. But the Houston offensive line does have like major mess potential and I think that is something where that is probably how it goes down is just if the Texans offense is a mess again. Yes. Well, kind of pretending it'll be fine again a team that I think is similar to that is Washington, which is another team that lost it like Laramie tons of the left tackle is hard. He's probably off of the season. Nicol Grady the center is he doesn't have a timetable for a term from a calf strain the Washington offensive line is already a little I don't know just their drop in like flies. And I was going to talk about Terry McLaren as a boring player really liked. And I was like well, Jayden Daniels and Terry McLaren have like a mind meld and Terry is just like this guy. Like when you take Terry McLaren, you're like you're just not as excited. It's cool to have Mike Evans is cool to have Luther Bird and it's cool to have all these guys right? He is. Terry McLaren might be the most boring player on this list. Yeah. I think the poster child this year of like yeah, yeah, you're like, oh, you got Terry McLaren like, okay. She's number two or so. It's probably good. Can I say something? The more I think about it, the more I'm like, I actually think we might have to. I can't tell if Terry McLaren is a league winning boring player, but the more I dove into it, I think I'm like, maybe we need to put all Washington on the do not draft list. Terry has not been a good word coming out of Washington. We've heard privately publicly reported like every like it's bad when it all comes in like all these different unrelated avenues. And Nikki Javala, who is at the athletic, who's been in Washington post, she's been covering the Washington for like a minute. And she said that the Washington offense is the worst she has seen it in years and years and that the offensive line, the term she used was it is inoperable. And that is not no, and I got to tell you with everything we've seen, this just seems like the offensive line that they're going to spend all off season trying to do the under center, J and Daniel stuff, and they're going to have to abandon that ship by like week four. Joe Burrow trying to be under center, all these guys are trying to be under center. Guess what? It's not going to work. This offense is going, they're going to have like that existential week five. Fuck it. We're going back to shotgun. What about what we did all summer? Not working. Get Kingsbury on the phone now. Fuck the lemons and bail. Run away. Run away. So now you're saying you were going to promote McLaren and now you're like, fuck it. I debated opposite directions. Yeah. I'm just going to tell you, we don't do this a lot, but I actually think I want to belatedly ask you as for permission to put Terry McLaren on the do not draft list. Nothing to with him, but I'm kind of out of Washington and I'm debating moving J and Daniels. I actually, well, my ranking's already did this. I'm moving in below Jalen Hertz, because we've talked so much about Jalen Hertz and the Eagles going for trying to do this understand. Like can they do all this different stuff? I'm very concerned about Washington's offense. I agree. I had McLaren as my missionary position guy on Bill Shell, everyone's had him. Even in the best case scenario, when Washington had like a historic offense into the efficiency, he was like the wide receiver 16th best receiver in fantasy. So I'm like, that's kind of, that's the ceiling. Is that the ceiling? Sometimes you got to take signs and elements. And Rashad White may have injured his ankle doing the ice bucket challenge. Yeah. Great video. Not, you know, other than the part of getting hurt. Yeah, yeah. That sucks if you got hurt. But you can kind of see him get up and slip and kind of like bounce on his leg weird. And I wouldn't be surprised if that said he's still not practicing, right? It's not ideal. No. It also here. No, I don't know. He's still not practicing. He's coming back from, they're calling it a hamstring injury, you know? I do think that, who knows if it was the ice bucket challenge and they'll probably never tell us, but I think it might have been the ice bucket challenge. He did slide. I know. Backfires. The, uh, combination of, do you think that's why the ringer tailgate guys didn't do the ice bucket challenge when we, we tag it, we did the ice bucket challenges, we didn't tag it. Yeah. No, it's true. You know, vans a box. Vans boxing? No, no, no, vans a boxer. You're right. Vans a boxer. Yeah. And they just, they ringer tailgate guys can't do the ice bucket challenge because they're afraid of getting hurt. Right. That's really, I mean, Tate's a great golfer. He can't get hurt. No, no. God forbid. Can you imagine scratch golfer? No, legit though. He actually is. No, he is really good. You can play with him last. All right. So the next guy on the boring list, Kyron Williams, who perennially one of the most boring players you can draft, does nothing, been trying to get rid of his guy forever. Totally. Everyone's like, Blakeorum. Great. And then the second Blakeorum becomes a guy that like everyone's going to take the third guy and think he's better than Blakeorum. Kyron Williams 2024 was the eighth best running back in fantasy last year. He was the 11th best running back in fantasy. Basically, every time this dude is playing and getting the majority of carries, he's a top 10 running back in fantasy. He has never ranked that way. He's ranked as the 14th running back right now. Even if you look at last year after Korn became more involved and was getting like double digit touches per game, like, Vultureing touchdowns and everything. Week 7 to 17, Korn was much more involved. Kyron Williams and that stretch, RB 10. Like you just, you have to stop wish casting or whatever want to say something that's not, they keep paying Kyron Williams. They keep resigning Kyron Williams. He's 26 years old. He's on the best offense in the league. He was fifth in carries over the last two years. Like the goal to go situation, Kyron Williams is 70% of the snaps. Korn is 28. Korn can be involved. That's totally fine. Right. But Kyron Williams is like, trusted by Sean McVeigh, they're the one of the best offense in the league and he gets the ball near the end zone. And last year they had what like 15 one yard touchdown passes, like the, the, the Devon Tatum stuff. He just regresses even marginally and they run the ball more on the goal line instead of trying to throw those little, like passes to 20 atoms. I mean, he could end up with 13, 14 touchdowns. We, we talk about how there's only 11 running backs in fantasy that we want. And Kyron Williams is the top 11 running back every year. I do agree though. It's like you don't get, you don't see people getting stoked when they draft. Yeah. No, he's the epitome of this. I think Kyron Williams is similar to Javonte Williams and to me and that they're, they're not that exciting in real life or also in like fantasy because I think there's a perception. Probably reality. Actually, the Kyron and Javonte don't have the upside to have like a, be a top three fantasy running back. But then when you go back, they're like, you say that over and over and then nine years later, you look back and you're like, oh, they were never really a bad pick one time. Where they, not so much about Javonte, but this season like that, I think he's the safest running back. And I think that the knock on, I'm like, we always talk about the Ryan Heath and the upsides. Everything's got merit. And, but that logic, if you're like doing the Ricky Bobby, they're safe. But like, sometimes that is what people want. It's like just the safe player that won't fuck them over. You say he doesn't have upside. I excluded this because Korum wasn't there, but in 2023, he was the number two running back in fantasy. So, you know, which is one of the more shocking ones. There's been a lot of 20 points of game. I mean, that's as good as it gets. So. Yeah. I mean, if Korum gets hurt, he's a top three. I don't know. I don't know. We just do this all the time where it's like, we expect the change to come and it never does. You usually the best strategy in fantasy is like, whatever happened last year will probably happen. Paulian. Paulian. He's not happening. You're like, yeah, actually, what if it just does happen? Everyone's going to know what's going to happen that hasn't happened before. You should just bet on what happened last year will happen again. Oh, that's actually really funny. It's done studies on this list. The strongest correlator for fantasy future fantasy points is last year's fantasy. Just fade regression. Regressions going to regress. I'm guilty of it. It would lose the burden. Like, what could he be? Or I'll just take the guy who had 1300 yards last year because we'll probably just do it again. - This is what James Bond's same brown has just had one of the three most consistent seasons ever. Like he had like 1,000, like 1,200 yards, 10 touchdowns and 100 catches, three as in a row. And the only people who have done that three as in a row are like Antonio Brown, maybe Devantab's and like Jerry Rice. You know what I mean? I think maybe Marvin Harrison and the Colt. Like literally just inner circle Hall of Famers and a Bond Ross same brown. And then we're like, yeah, he, he, he, he, he, the eighth. - Yeah. - Oh my God, I don't know. - 'Cause he's a fifth rounder. - If Kyron can be your fourth pick in your draft, I think that's a lovely pick. When you say Kyron is the I'm on raw of running backs. - Well, I think it's James Cook. It's the I'm on raw of running back. - I probably say James Cook. - I think it's Kyron. - Well, you're wrong. - I like it better my way. Okay, Tika, who's another? - I'm going with Javonte Williams for the Cowboys. The reason I say this, and I think in particular, number one, he's just kind of a boring player. People don't talk about that much. - In the last, he used to be so cute. - He used to be sexy. - He was like, before he got hurt multiple times. - He got to capriode. The JK Dobbins thing. - Yeah. - You just don't believe him anymore because he got hurt too many times or whatever. But I've heard more discussion and seen way more, like exponentially more discussion on Twitter and Blue Sky and different various social media places that about Jaden Blue, Malik Davis, all the backups. I haven't heard a goddamn thing about Javonte Williams, which is, to me, it's just kind of crazy, but that says everything. - Because he's too busy resting during the pre-season. - Because he's the starter. - Yeah. (laughs) - Last year. - Maybe Blue's tearin' up third string defenses. - Yeah, it's like, and every week it's somebody new that's gonna be the back, like Javonte Williams back up, which I think tells you everything you need to know that Jaden, or that Javonte Williams is gonna get the lion's share of everything. So last year, he averaged 27 rushes per game, or sorry, the Cowboys averaged 27 rushes per game. One of the best offenses in the NFL. And Javonte Williams was seventh in expected fantasy points, according to fantasy points.com. - The Cowboys have a very good shot to be the best number one offense in the NFL this year. Javonte Williams doesn't really split a ton of work. And he's confronted the fourth round. - He's the Arby 16 and ADP, and last year, he was seventh in expected points. 250 rushes, 252 rushes, which was 10th most among all running backs. And their high scoring team, they're gonna be in the red zone. He gets almost all of their red zone carries. - Almost exclusive. - And he's still got it. Honestly, I think it's like we had this thing. It's the same with Jacob Dogman's, as I said, where you kind of think he's washed and you just can't do it anymore. - He's 26. - He was fourth in yards after Conte for 10 months. - He's 26. - I think we gotta give him the benefit of the doubt that he's actually pretty good. - He's younger than Kai. - Is that right? Is Kai 27? - Yeah! - Javonte Williams is younger than Kai's grown up. - He is. - Kai's all grown up. - The big hole in the profile. - Kai's kind of washed. He's chopped theunk and washed. - Look out, Kai. Nikhil, 22. - Day two. - Nikhil, watch back. Watch your back. - 22. - It's crazy how quickly you get washed. - By the way, what's theunk mean? I know what it means. - If you have to ask, where's it come from? - The word uncle. - No, I thought that wasn't what it is. - Is that right? Oh, is that right? - Yeah, it is absolutely from uncle. - Google it. - Stop. Stop it. - Is it Googling where the slang term came from? - I know. I'm like, I'm like, - That's also. - You'reunk. It's because you're like an uncle. You're old. It's called Jeremy Bernard Unk, 'cause you're old. - What do you think it came from? - Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, - Google Unk came from. - I'm asking is that I thought it came from uncle. Like they're calling you uncle. - Yeah. - That's exactly how it's not actually what it is, which makes you a total unk. - Did you see it on the talk tick? Or what? - Yeah. - You probably watched that on Facebook. - The tick talk. - I don't know. - All right, well, if you guys, if you can find that source. - This is a great, I love the Kyron Chavante. Well, I'm just thinking though, it is a great fantasy brain. You gotta start early running back this year. And you know what's actually gonna work? If you're at the turn, I have the 12th pick in the rear fantasy league. - Oh, I don't know. - You know what I share is what I think they were saying it was. It's short for uncool. - There's no fucking way. - I don't know. - That's just like a reverse. - I don't use it and I didn't make it up. So that's just what I read. - Okay. - But it is probably uncle. - Yeah. - I think so. - But I guess I could be wrong. - The fact that we're out. - Not worried about it. - Is. - An indictment. - Okay. - I just feel like I like the combo of what you guys are saying Kyron Williams, Javonte Williams, because that's, they're boring. They're the epitome of this exercise. The every fantasy analyst I feel like has kind of settled on the same strategy, which is take running backs early, get receivers in the middle, and like it's not unique to us. Like we've been saying that. And I'm like, you know what's probably gonna work? All the running backs are gonna get hurt. And we're gonna, if I took Justin Jefferson and C.D. Lam, 11 like with my, you know, 12th and 13th picks, and then I came back in and I took Javonte and Kyron Williams with the next turn. And my starting lineup was Kyron Williams, Javonte Williams, Justin Jefferson, C.D. Lam, three weeks into the season. All your cool sexy sleepers are probably gonna suck. And my team will probably be crushing. And it's like in theory, not like a sexy preseason team. And then the season begins, you're like, holy fuck, I'm never gonna die. - Let me ask you this, what feels better? Having a team of boring ass players and dominating all like the new like upcoming Pipsqueaks and all of them or whatever is it? Like feel better to find the next guy and be like, - If you find the next guy, it's the best feeling in the world. But it's equally terrible when you take all these shots on these upside picks and none of them pounds. - Can you go O for six, yeah? - Well, yeah, it's like the sunk cost where you're like, I gotta double down and I gotta keep starting them because what if I bend them and then it works out? So then you're just like starting Luther Burton for 16 games and it never happened. - What gets forgotten too is that, and this is maybe the biggest blind spot of when we try to talk about fantasy during the season, is we forget how we're like read the points per game as an average, as if that was not an average of absolute roller coaster. And five weeks in the last season, cousin Sal had a mecca, a buka, and Tyler Warren. And Justin Jefferson, we're like, he's never, like he's never gonna die. - Six of them don't think I can die. - Six of them don't know or something yet. - And then CDLAM got a high ankle sprain. Justin Jefferson started playing with J.J. McCarthy. - Colts collapsed. And then yet, Tyler Warren dropped off a cliff and then a mecca, a buka played through an injury. And he went from literally the best team in the league by far to basically the worst team in the league. And even if you could see the first five weeks of the season, you could not build the best team for week 10. And like I think we forget that sometimes. And so there's something to be said, I don't know. That's all. - There's also something to be said about. The best strategy can sometimes just be zagging. - Yes. - Almost as if it were what it is. It's just whenever one's moving one way, it's like the rams using tight ends. It's like we just need to go against the personnel, try something else. And if everybody in your league is-- - The Patriots did it with the bell check for years. - You have to beat 11 other teams, just do something they're not doing. - If everybody in your league is trying to get the top two 11 running backs, maybe you go the opposite and you just get two fantastic values that might receive it or start your draft because nobody's taking them. - And that's why it's funny with the tight end thing 'cause in real life, all these NFL teams are trying to do more two tight end sets and more three tight end sets. And I'm curious what you think of this DK, but I do think fundamentally, we haven't talked about it a ton. We've tried to do a lot more fantasy and help people for drafts. But it is an interesting thing 'cause fundamentally, if you go to the core of why your team's doing this, why does it work? I do think it's a supply issue where college football is producing more tight ends than linebackers. Like you can't, it is so much harder to have four capable linebackers that can play pass and run defense. It's just easier to find four tight ends that can have passable run blocking and pass like being able to be a conceivable pass weapon. You put your fourth best linebacker on the field over the course of the season. You're like, oh well, two over top five guys are hurt, so we're gonna drag this guy on the field. You could probably expose the flock out of that fifth linebacker and your fifth tight end might be able to play. And but it's all cyclical, you know what I mean? And it's like the Rams were ahead of it by 2028. No one's gonna be playing these two tight end sets anymore. - Yeah, so like if you're in an auction draft, let's say, and all of these top running backs, Sayquan and Beach on Robinson, all of these guys are crazy bidding wars. Everybody's stretching their wallet to try to get two of these 11 guys. You could just bail, not do any of that. Get the wide receivers for an affordable cost and then figure running back out later. Honestly, you might have a better team. Just because you're not overspending like everybody else. - So would you actually do that? Because I feel like we've said so much about the early running back thing, but I do feel like I don't, I, - You have to play it as it comes to you. - Yeah, you do. - That's the toughest, the hardest advice to give about it. It's like, what do I do with my draft? - It depends. - Being nimble, it being nimble is like the best thing. It's just like, you gotta feel it out. You gotta see how things are going, what's inflated, what's not, and you gotta act on it. - I feel like I'm just thinking the whole time you guys are talking when you win with guys like this that we've talked about. - When you, when you just dominate a play, it feels like you're just friggin' post in someone else. Like, just thought to me in the post. I'm gonna back you down. - It's Tim Duncan, just called him out. - Tim Duncan. - That's one of the ways my third running back shot. Yeah, Kyron's your third running back. I will say, that is the other part about that I do think. This is actually the biggest blind spot. I think when you look at fantasy rankings and it's happening 'cause of best ball. And now the first year and forever, the best ball is like more running back heavy. The part, there's so much of fantasy analysis as influence, but what happens the best ball of the summer is everyone forgets that three weeks into the season. Everyone is trying to trade wide receivers a way to get running backs. Like, running backs are so much more valuable three weeks into the season than they were even three weeks ago. Yeah, 'cause you look at your running backs that you're gonna play and somebody gets hurt and you're like, I'm fucked. And it's just, yeah, rarely if you get through the healthy guys like having a bunch of running backs usually works. Speaking which, I wanna ask you guys about a running back that we haven't not talked about, but it's Travis H.N. for the Saints, the artist formerly known as Travis C.T.N. And so I do think he's an oddly boring player. Like he's pretty exciting for a boring guy. Been around a minute, won the national championship with Trevor Lawrence at Clemson. - I don't think he's here. - I don't think he's super highly regarded. Like people don't think he's that good. - No, I think he had really high expectations coming out. Kind of didn't meet them the first to see him. - Yeah, broke his foot. - And then everybody kind of just forgot about him and he's quietly been pretty good, but I agree with you. He's not a top tier guy in people's mind. - And so he had 1100 yards last year and that was like, you know, kind of a Renaissance for Trev. - That's very hot. - It started very hot. And I feel like we haven't really been able to talk about him properly because I was really high on him over the summer when we thought Camera, Elvin Camera was gonna retire. Then Elvin Camera decided to come back and we moved Travis Hitch and like, way down. 'Cause we're like, man, Camera probably took a lot of his even work. Yeah, a lot of his even work and also Camera might be in for the goal line stuff and you're like, man, I don't know about this now. And then Elvin Camera has this like MCL injury and it's gonna be out of month, but I'm like, yeah, he was already kind of, Camera was getting cooked before Camera rehabbing an MCL injury mid season. I'm like, the guys behind Camera have done nothing. It's Kendri Miller who Dennis Allen fucking hated and you have like, Audric Estim and a lot of guys. - I can't believe Kendri Miller's still around. - I know, watch him just be a good sleeper because he, but I just, the Saints team, it's kind of back to what we thought, which was, it's just gonna be Travis Hitching getting 14 plus million dollars a year in free agency. The Saints have, I believe the second EC schedule in the entire NFL. It's like the lines of the easiest and then the Saints are the second easiest. That is like why I'm just automatically, I think the Saints are gonna win the NFC South, purely 'cause that schedule stuff. Look at the Patriots last year of the easiest schedule. Like it does play out that way where the schedule matters. And I just think the Saints, I think Travis Hitching's gonna get the goal and stuff. I think there's a chance he ends up doing a lot more passing down work because I don't think the guys behind him are particularly impressive in those situations. And I think the Saints know that they're death-trudged sucks 'cause they traded for fucking Zemeer White. - Yeah. - Which is insane. I kind of forgot he was in the NFL. - No, I didn't realize he was. - So I think they're really concerned about their death, but all that to say is I think Travis Hitching's in this tier. I know that's like a long-winded thing, but I just think he's, to me, kind of in this category if they're not as good of an offense as Dallas to the Rams, obviously, but I think Travis Hitching, we should, he might be ahead of, he should be in their Breast Hall. Can't scatter boo. Like is he ahead of the Andre Swift? Like I think he's higher than these guys. - Yeah. - And I think it's a conversation or are you gonna look back and want Ham or Luther Burton? I think I'm moving him at the head of like Tarmac Lauren. Like, you know? - I agree with that. These are the hardest guys to draft in my opinion. - Yeah. - I have one buddy in my high school league, Jackson, who every year just drafts like six of these running back. He'll just take Kyrin, Javante Williams, Travis ETN. He get, they're all like 15, 20 bucks, he doesn't care. And he's just like, oh, this scoop all of them up. - Just to patch work it right away. - Everyone can spend 52 on Safequan, Barclay and McCaffrey. I'm just gonna scoop up like five of these guys. Three of them will be massive values, two won't work, but they were super affordable. Or sometimes like all of them work. Like he just grabbed like Bucky Irving and all these people. - Right. - And to me, what's nice about these picks is they're not competitive picks. Like you, there's not gonna be fights for them. No one's gonna be reaching for them. They're always just gonna be sitting there waiting for you, waving at you. - Yeah, they're gonna fall. People take these people begrudgingly. And again, I think think of the difference between Travis ETN and Ken Walker. They both signed Infraagency for about 12 or 13 million dollars per year. And I understand the chiefs are a sexier offense than New Orleans, obviously. However, Ken Walker is gonna be like a top 15 pick in fantasy or certainly a top 20 pick. And he has a history of foot issues. You know, we were shoe think today that I don't know what to make of. - I don't know what to make of that. - I don't have to wait for reporting on that. - His shoe is making his foot hurt. Is what they're saying. - I don't understand. I don't know how long has hasn't had a bad experience for the new parachute. - You mostly don't hear about that. But then you look at Travis ETN. He's getting the same amount of money. And you're like, "Oh, what are they gonna do with them?" Well, they paid him $12 million in Infraagency to run the ball and set up around Tyler Schuck. I'm like, I don't know. I down the Khmer is out. I think he's, to me, just leaps out as like an obvious and retrospect. Oh yeah. I think almost we haven't learned the lesson of Derek Henry's sake one. When teams choose to pay money in Infraagency for running back, it's because they sat around. We're like, we're gonna give this guy the fucking ball. - I totally agree with you. - HN has 1,400 yards from Scrimmage in three out of four seasons that he's been in the league. And he scored 32 touchdowns. It's not like he's been terrible. - He's a first show pick, too. - Like he's tools to play. - The lesson with these guys is like, you don't have to avoid them. It's okay to draft them. - Yeah. - Like, yeah. It's funny to think that like there are leagues where Basel Tutten is going ahead of Travis HN. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? And I already can tell Basel Tutten's gonna be like, the rushing yards leader, 'cause of how many times I've had a shit talking, but anyway, any other boring players crack. - Yes, I want to bring up a quarterback who I think really fits his category. Brock Purdy. - Is it 'cause he's ugly? (laughs) - You guys are so mad at me. - So mad at me. - You bring them dead last in the NFL. That's fucking crazy. (laughs) - When I think back on it. - When I think back on it, I don't know how to have it. - I think it was just like, I'm moving him down. - You're like, this is the ugliest guy in the NFL. Brock Purdy. - No, he's like a perfectly normal-looking guy. (laughs) - I don't actually know how that happened. - Yeah. - You put Aaron Rogers ahead of Brock Purdy. - Maybe you think he's so boring. He's just completely underwhelming. - You didn't even see him. - Like I noticed. - You didn't notice him. - Sure, yeah. Well, that's a good, you kind of forget he's there in fantasy, but he always is. So we talked a lot about how this summer about how good Trevor Lawrence was to close last year. In the fantasy playoffs, Trevor Lawrence had the most points ever in the history of fantasy football for a quarterback, basically. Brock Purdy last year in the fantasy playoffs was second. The second most fantasy point. - Oh, that bear's game was awesome. - He had like three touchdowns and five and three. Literally the second best playoffs in fantasy football history for a quarterback. Brock Purdy. - 31 points per game. - Yes, he was beat up all year, had turf toe. I can relate. It sucks. He was in and out. You know, you got turf toe and I had to pull the hamstring in the last 12 months. - We're getting old. - We're doing our own research. - Early 30s. (laughing) But despite all that, he was a quarterback six last year. He was the sixth best quarterback in points per game. He does this haven't fucking year. - I'm kind of all in on Brock Purdy this year. - He does this every year. He is next, like weirdly. - Right now in drafts, he's getting taken as the 15th quarterback off the board. He has never not been a top 12 quarterback in fantasy. Last three years, quarterbacks six. Then they didn't have McCaffer for an entire year. He was the quarterback 12. And then last year, he was the quarterback eight. Over the last eight weeks last year, he was the quarterback one. He's over the last three seasons. He's first in EPA per dropback. He's first in success rate. And over the last three years, he's the sixth best quarterback in fantasy. I'm just like, he gets beat up a lot. He got the elbow thing. He got the turf toe, he had a shoulder. But when this dude plays with Shanahan, it works. He's mobile, he runs. When he's healthy, he is a top 12 quarterback. And he's going 15th and it's not sexy and I get it. But we're saying late round quarterback is a great thing to do this year. Tyler Murray, Malik Willis, whatever you want to do. Brock Parti is the quintessential perfect late round quarter. I've been all in on this this year. I'm afraid I'm like I'm one year too late on the train or something like that. Yeah, but that's the thing is he's been incredibly consistent at it. And it's really to me, it's a trust in Shanahan for running a good off. Like it's going to be a good offense. And you need McCaffer. Yeah, me saying he was the 12th quarterback without McCaffrey. That's true. But that's flirting with like he's not a good pick. It's an average pick. You do probably also have to rely on McCaffrey being healthy all the year for him to kind of and Evans. Yes, for him to be a great pick. Well, I feel like it's mostly just McCaffrey. But it is slightly tied to that I would say, which is also they might be a worrisome. They might be a sneaky shootout team. Like a team that just has to score a lot of points because their defense isn't as good as it used to be. What say you? Substation. That's what I'm worried about. It's been there the last couple of years, though, for the record. You have to be bold. It has gotten bigger. You have to be bolder. It literally has gotten bigger. It all seriously. I think my answer is not that I disagree. I love the way the substations talk to you. Good. That's a good tag. So I'm down lower. I'm all in on substations there. Yeah, we need to build more substations. Here's my question. Where exactly are you taking them? Because if you wait a quarter back this year, it really works. And just to say the names because it's obviously put the 49, you know, those, you know, those balls of electricity, where you stand in the middle, like the orbs electricity. Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's stick them in those. I'll tell you. I haven't ranked 10th. Okay. So Josh Lamar, Drake May, Jayden Daniels, Jalen Hertz, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence. That's nine. Dak Prescott. 10. I have it. I haven't above Dak. I haven't above bone. Next. I have Dak. Kyler Murray Jackson, Dart. Yeah. I think that all those things. I was back at 11. It feels weird to do that, but then when we look back at the end of the year, but what would we look back at the end of the year? He's going to be. He's the Kyron Williams. Yeah. What would you? Okay. That's. Definitely true. That's the rock party. The rock party. No, because Amanra has a good, like Amanra has good clips from his podcasts. Like, you know what I mean? Like, he's, you know, you get the real hair. Talk about it if he had a podcast like probably that you hear that fucking guy. He said it was the ugliest quarterback in the NFL. Yeah. He's like favorite heights probably. He'd start ranking ugly podcasters. And I wouldn't do well. Yeah. He'll, like, he'll rank his favorite La Croix flavors. I'm going to go with Pomple Moose. Yeah. That's up there for me. Lime. Yeah. He's like, I'm more of a spin-trick guy now. I think those are the conversations he's having. So, you know, guys, I signed one contract, all of a sudden I'm drink it's been. You signed one 250 million dollar contract. You upgrade to San Palangarino. Kirkland brand. - Come on. - Kirkland, Sparkland water. - Yeah. - You Sparkland water, guy. - Sometimes. - I don't like flavored Sparkland water, like plain. - Like just the, just the flavor, like the, just you know, it's bubbly, that's it. - What's confusing about that? - I guess nothing. - I'm shocked back, you would like that. - Sparkland water's actually the original, and then they add to your flavor. - That was like brutal. What's confusing about that? - He's about to be like, the clear version, I'm like, yeah, water? - Not that I was trying to, I wasn't trying to clarify that was the one you were talking about. - They add bubbles to it. - I was more like shocked, that's why you like that flavor, or non-flavor. - Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I like regular Sparkland water, I don't. - So why don't you just drink water? - Sparkland water is water. - I also drink, I'm not saying I only drink Sparkland water, I just occasionally a glass of Sparkland water. - No mouthfeel. - Yeah, mouthfeel. - Yeah, it's a funny word. - You don't ever just want a glass of Sparkland water, I'd dinner. - It's nice. - It's refreshing. - Yeah, with gas, as they say in Europe. - With gas, do they say that? - I don't know, I think so. - Anyway, me adding Brock Pretty 10th, is that offensive to you too? - No. - But you-- - I wouldn't do it, but I understand. - Why wouldn't you do it? - Because I don't think Brock Pretty has a great path to being a top three or four difference making quarterback as easily as the guys who can run for like more yards. Bernie's mobile, but Jackson starts really mobile. How the Murray's really mobile. I understand why you don't want Mike Welles because his offense is actively tanking. I'm not going to argue that like, it also Mike Welles hasn't necessarily been a huge rushing threat all the time. I mean, six passing touchdowns in four years, so I get that. - Yeah, you're like slower on him. You have him as your 16th quarterback, DK has him 11th, I have him 10th. - It's no offense to Purdy. I just have him in a group of like, Purdy's with Patrick Mahomes and Matt Staff, you talk about things that will happen again. Well, I'm like Matt Stafford, just go like, in the past Matt Stafford would have been like the seventh quarterback, you know? And like, that's too high. - That's Purdy this year? - I don't, it's funny 'cause staff-- - Or from Mahomes. - You rather have Mahomes and Purdy. - It's kind of crazy. - I don't, because Mahomes quietly was very good in fantasy last year, but he's kind of sound. - Yes, that's the thing. I'm like, it's one of those where, I just don't want to end up with, I'm not against Purdy, but I think it's the most risk you've ever taken in the Niners because I don't, it seems like Kyle Shannon's getting better with the concussion, but I just can't use just envision us sitting here. What, it's August 26th. Don't you just have a premonition of a sitting here next year and you're talking about Brock Proding, and you're like, "Throw out last year, Kyle Shannon, you got a car accident right for the season." Of course, that was never gonna work. - The Niners are perhaps the most obvious hindsight is 2020 team. - However, I think the Niners are a disaster at the beginning of every season. - And even by, there's, like Cleveland is an embarrassment even by Cleveland standards. This 49ers season is an embarrassment, even by, or not an embarrassment. It's a bad omen, everything's gonna go wrong season, even by 49ers standards. And I just, how many things do I need to see to be like, I don't know about San Francisco this year? And that's why we've rocked pretty down, is because I take, it's not I'm trying to make light of Kyle Shannon's concussion. I am taking it very seriously. Like, he was talking two and a half weeks ago about not being able to talk to multiple people at the same time. And I'm like, okay, let's say that, let's say there's a 12% chance that Kyle Shannon's like play callings to finish this year. I'm like, okay, I'll move rocked pretty down three spots. - I think we should turn key all these players. So you don't believe rock pretty deserves to be on this list. - No, I'm against him. I just think I'm not targeting him. I don't think he's a bad pick at all. - You were talking about like the mobile guys or whatever, last year, pretty. I, this is shocking. Pretty had more rushing points for game, fantasy rushing points per game. Then Lamar Jackson, Daniel Jones, Caleb Williams, those are the three big that kind of stand out to me, but like, I would not have guessed that. Lamar Jackson, Tickler's like, well, I know. But like, I would have expected like the way that we're talking about Caleb Williams this year. Oh, he also runs, he also gives you that scramble. Like, pretty is scrambling around just as much as-- - No, he is. - What do you like to say about him? - Sneaky little shit. - He's just scampering around him. - Yeah, I'm, he's always just scampering. - I'm not, he's rummaging through your garbage at night. - That's scoundrum. - Yeah, I think you nailed it. Rock pretty is the carbon Williams of quarterbacks. I think that's exactly true. - So what do you mean to ask him at a boring quarterback that you would say? - Yeah, absolutely. - I'll turn a key in for-- - I've put my money where my mouth is on this. I've got him. - Do you have any other boring home league? And I really hope he does well. - Do you have any other boring players decay that you like for this year? - This is, we're gonna go with a Jets player here, which is always really, you know. Sometimes it doesn't work out to do that. - Most of the time. - Most of the time. - 'Cause it breeze through Garrett Wilson. - It's Garrett Wilson for the next year. So I don't think we've talked about one time. He's not sexy. - He's become boring. He used to be incredibly sexy. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think, first of all, I think he's really good at the game. I think he's a really good receiver. Secondly. - I'm not, he is good. I'm laughing 'cause it's just the way he said that was funny. - It's good at the game. - Good at the game. - I trust that at the very least. I don't trust the Jets. And I don't really trust Gino anymore. But if Gino kind of reverts back, last year was it complete fucking mess with the Raiders. Everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong. Coaching, we've talked about it at Nazim. The coaching was horrible. No one was on the same page, all that stuff. Gino was terrible. If Gino can get back to even something close to it, we saw in 2024, 2023. I think this Jets passing game can be a lot better than people are projecting it to be, expecting it to be. Not elite, but a lot better. A lot more usable and fantasy. And if you go back three seasons, and like the quarterbacks that he's had, Garrett Wilson's had over the years. Aaron Rodgers, I think one year was pretty good. And then other than that, it's just an absolute. - You didn't like the Tim Boyle. - Jack Wilson, what's that white guy? - Mike White. - Mike White, the white guy. - He was good, he would've gone by the white Lotus. - Yeah, that's honestly his biggest issue. It's not doing that. - Anyways, go back-- - Best driveler? - That was the craziest one, 'cause he was like the XF, he had won the Canadian League or the XFL MVP. - The big one we're missing, that was a question. - Was it Flacco? - Justin Fields, he couldn't complete a pass. - He had two different stints of Joe Flacco. - That's the crazy, Garrett Wilson and Joe Flacco, twice. - Anyway, so it's not been great, but apart from all that, he's averaged 9.3 targets per game over the last three seasons. He's still a massive, massive focal point of the offense. And the only guys that have had more than that per game were the last three seasons than Garrett Wilson and targets. Almanra, Devonte, C.D. Lam, Puka, Jamar, and neighbors. He's up there with the league. - He's awesome. - In terms of target rate, commanding targets, being the focal point of the offense. - If you just swapped Justin Jefferson for Garrett Wilson, or do you think Garrett Wilson would go and drafts? - Like, this year they were traded or they're whole careers. - Well, let's just say this year. - Wow, that's a really interesting question. - I think a lot, maybe like a second round pick. - Well, Garrett Wilson would certainly be higher than, oh my God, that's breaking my brain. I think Justin Jefferson would, sorry, Garrett Wilson probably be around that like Nico Collins. - Yeah, right. - And I think, so there's a number of variables working against Garrett Wilson, number one, just history. He was hurt last year for a big chunk of the season. People kind of forgot about him. - No jets received or had 400 yards last year. - Which has never happened. - Terrible. But I think, like, after the draft and kind of throughout the off season, we've been like, oh, the jets are not only going to be bad and Gino's gonna be bad, but now there's just this massive amount of target competition. They just drafted two guys, Kenny and Cedique, Omar Cooper. Turns out, I don't think either of those guys are going to be playing much this year. Like, the way that preseason and training he haven't gone, Kenny and Cedique has hurt. It doesn't sound like Omar Cooper has really like, established himself at all. He's not even the wibers you were three at this point. - Omar Cooper is bordering on irrelevance for first jump. - It's making me a little nervous on him. But, so then he's basically going, Garrett Mitchell's basically going against 80 Mitchell, who has outside of last year when Garrett was gone, not been able to command targets. He's basically been-- - He had to touch down where he threw the ball away at the goal line and then they traded him. - Be sure. - Yeah. - I mean, I exactly demand targets when they do that. - He seems so mad, he got rid of the ball. He's got so many targets. - 80 Mitchell is the big target competition. Then, outside of that, it's like Isaiah Williams, Tim Patrick, Mason Taylor, the tight end. It's not a huge amount of target competition. - This is a good, somebody on his team asked to catch this guy. We do this all, there's always a couple guys every year in fantasy where it's like, if the horrible quarterback situation can be decent, this guy's about you. - I have been hating on Garrett Wilson all off season. And I think we all agree, Garrett Wilson's a great receiver. And he's replaced Tyramac Lauren who replaced the Andre Hopkins as the guy who replaced Larry Fitzgerald as the quarterback who has had the worst cavalcade of quarterbacks over and over. There's no question Garrett Wilson's talented. The question is, I have been saying over and over and over again that I don't believe in Aaron Glen as that coach in Frankrijk as the offensive coordinator in Geno Smith as the quarterback. Having said that, one year ago, one year ago, to the day, we were like, oh my God, man. Can you believe the Sealocks replacing Geno Smith as the same Donald? That might be a huge mistake. - I mean, I know. - We know that Raiders great vibes, Geno. You have Gen T Brock Bowers. - Yeah, Donald and Seattle. And then Geno Smith quarterback the team that had the worst record in the NFL and then the Sealocks won the Super Bowl. So all you're saying is what if Geno is somewhere between the guy we thought he was a year ago and the worst quarterback in the league? Because even in the middle of that, any kind of competency and the jets have a much better, more talented, probably offensive line than the Raiders do. - Definitely. - And also, if Frankrijk is a more talented offensive, he has more left in the tank than I thought. Because you could, I've been saying over and over. He's been in a Stanford for two years, been out of the NFL. - He's got more left in the tank than Chip Kelly. We know that. - That is, that is honestly a good way to say it. It's, Geno Smith doesn't have to be great. He just has to be, you don't have to be faster than the bear. - Everyone's like what I'm saying. - So I'm afraid. - Geno Smith doesn't have to be great. just has to be not fucking poor. - Anytime you say. that I always get nervous because this was the exact argument I made for Calvin really last year. I was like, "Kimware doesn't have to be great," but Word was a rookie. I know, but still. Like, it's like, he was the first overall pick in the fucking draft, so you'd assume that he could be okay. But this is the thing, because I think a lot of Jetsons are mad at how much I've said, because it's nothing to be careful. Well, we're nothing to do with Breeze Hall either, on different teams that'd be great. But I am afraid, because I've been wondering, who's the player this year that I'm going to be like, don't take them? That is amazing. Because there's always one every year. And I have been wondering if it's Garrett Wilson. You know, you know, Sal does like that one super cool thing. Gary Russell, the Gary Russell. You're going to do the Josh Jacobs pick of the year, where it's like the guy I hate that will explode. Well, I think you guys have to tell me. I do have I say, I think the question is, but here's the thing, there's only two. It's going to be Basial Tutin or Garrett Wilson, probably, you know what I mean? And it's because I keep using Basial Tutin every time I'm like, we should just count the number of times you say a certain name. Basial Tutin's going ahead of fucking Drake May. How does that make sense? Basial Tutin's down in the lead, I think, now. Garrett Wilson though has been high, where I'm like, you want to take someone over Garrett Wilson. I'm like, you're just believing in Frank. But I understand it's much easier to believe that Garrett Wilson would be great because there's no question he's talented. And Gina Smith could play well for three quarters and then we'd be like, oh, I think this is a good one DK to be honest. Yeah. I think the offensive line is a big part of this. I think if Gino has a clean pocket, I feel pretty good that he can get them all to Garrett Wilson. The Jets also have the fifth easiest schedule, according to Warren Sharps metrics and I don't know. To me, it's like, I don't feel this with my chest necessarily, but it's just a big zag based on some of the variables that I think could happen. I know. He's like going a little earlier than I want him to be going. Like he's like the 20th wide receiver off the board. Next to Lad McConkey. Had more weight. So look at the offensive court again. It's betting on horses versus betting on jockeys. Like look at the offensive coordinators around Garrett Wilson, but bears in chargers and a guy like Lad, I think, has a chance of going much earlier. People will reach. Like we said with all these guys, no one, I don't think anyone is going to be excited to kick you. No. So wherever you see him in like rankings, he's going to fall and go there or later. He's going to fall. And that's the point. Maybe you wait a while. If you're thinking about him, you can, maybe that's how a lot of these guys work. If you're thinking about Garrett Wilson, you can pick someone else, wait around. Garrett Wilson might fall back to you. And then you're like, okay. That's the best feeling, by the way. It is great. Yeah. I took that guy last round. Yeah. That's the best feeling in the world. Got him. There's no better feeling. No. Number one feeling. The best feeling in the fucking world. And Garrett Wilson falls around. Would you have that or a great piss? Rink the feelings in the world. A great piss. Great piss. And that person falls around later than you thought. Or sex. Oh, God. I think you nailed the order. That's really right. You got it. Fuck Mary Kill. Don't change anything. Yeah. Fuck the piss. I kill sex. Yeah. I fuck the piss. And then I marry. Garrett Wilson falling around. I'd fuck the piss. I don't know how that works, but it does. Oh. All right. We have one more boring guy. One last Mark Andrews for the Ravens. Yeah. I love this one. I painted me of a boring tight end. Totally. And it's pretty much out there. People don't feel anything. You don't feel anything at all. They're like pancakes. DK, what's the joke? Can't be all exciting at first, but then by the end, you're fucking sick of them at. Everyone's fucking sick of them. Everyone's had Mark Andrews. Everyone's ridden his ride. I kind of increasingly wonder if we'll be like, "Heat Mark Andrews is easily the best value at tight end this year." I'm telling you, if Lamar can throw for like 28, 32 touchdowns, who's catching them? That's the thing. That's the thing. If you look at the Ridge Ravens receiving for it's Zay Flowers who again doesn't really get ends on targets. No. You might be suspended for an incident that happened with him in June. He's not like been a great receiver. And then they have Jacobi Lane, who's having a great receiver, he's like a trick shot player right now. He doesn't deal with physicality necessarily that well. He's a really cool player. And then he's the dude perfect of the Ravens. He is. Yeah. And then Elijah Sarat, who's having a terrible rookie like training camp. And then Isaiah likely is gone. And that's the thing. So Mark Andrews is the cheapest he's ever been in fantasy really in seven years, even though Isaiah likely is gone. And guess what? The part that we have not talked about at all. But Ravens gave Mark Andrews like a $40 million dollar contract extension in December. So I feel like so much of Mark Andrews price. And again, even a year ago he was a top 80 player. Now he's like 120th and probably going to go below that. Ain't nobody thinking about Mark Andrews this year. The sea hooks. The sea hooks and Texans defenses might be taken before Mark Andrews, but again, the premise is that Mark Andrews has lost his step. Totally. Yes. And in reality, the Ravens looked at their free free Asian tight ends. And so Andrews has a likely and Charlie Kohler, Kohler, and they paid Mark Andrews, who was the oldest of them to stay, which the Ravens, as a policy, don't do with players. They think are declining like Dallas got our Jake Ferguson and Dalton can cater all going out of Mark Andrews. That makes no sense to me. It would be surprising if Jake Ferguson led the Cowboys in touchdowns. I think it's expect astonishing if that happens. Yeah. I think it's expected when you look at Baltimore that Mark Andrews should lead the Ravens to touchdowns. It's expected the odds. He's favored. So I look at the Ravens and I'm like, well, Lamar was healthy with Lamar was hurt last year. But the year before that, Mark Andrews also had a down year, he had a hip search user coming from. Then he got in a car crash and he almost died like two weeks before the season. And the Ravens kind of like downplayed it. And we didn't know idea how serious the car accident was. And it's just been a couple of years. But the fact that the Ravens paid him so much money, frankly, I don't know. It's like, we can't do as much due diligence as the team. They could have let this 30-year-old tight-end walk and said he's the only tight-end on the goddamn team. So all that's to say, it's weird that he's 40 picks later than he was last year. How old is Mark Andrews? I think he's 31. Yeah, 31. He's 30. Well, he's about to turn 31. You're right. Well, I like him, so he's 30. Yeah, he's 30. He turns 31 September 6, which doesn't matter though, because I'm making the case for him. So he's only 30 years old. I'm making the case now. 30 years and 51 weeks young. Right. Anyway, I just, I think he's the, I don't know. I like him. He's he's a perfect example of why not? And it's so cheap anyway. It doesn't matter. Again, when you look at the players ahead of him, it's, again, I think George Kiddles having good Achilles recovery, but Achilles, Harold Fanon, the Browns, probably going to suck. Tucker Kraft of an ACL. Kyle Pits in the Falcons might suck, depending on anything that calls "Tramic Bride" in the Cardinals. Cardinals might be terrible. Like, I love Brock Barras, but the Raiders might be bad. Mark Andrews and the Ravens might have the best record in the NFL two months into the season. But usually, with breakout tight ends, often it doesn't come, I mean, he wouldn't be real breakout because he's obviously been very good in the past, but usually tight ends that, that do well in a fantasy season are on good off and very good off and they're like the number one or number two option. Mark Andrews weirdly checks both of those boxes. And also he's good. It's just been a minutes left. So with that said, he just can't catch it sometimes. He can catch it, but not always. Here we go. Most of the time. Like that, that's the, that's the analysis right there. He can catch it. He can. Yeah. Not always. Right. I can't always catch it. Right. Fuck Mary Kill with the players. You suggested today. Oh, geez. We're going to make this a tradition. It's kind of fun. I'm thinking about it. All right. So James Cook, Kyron Williams, Brock Purti, for, for boring players that would win your league. James Cook, Kyron Williams, Brock Purti, I would probably marry James Cook, fuck Kyron Williams, and I guess that killed Purti. Wow. I was sure you were going to marry Purti. I don't know. Just too ugly. I'm all that fucking talk about how he's not ugly. You're not going to fuck Purti. I don't know. I think James Cook legitimately could be the number one running back in fantasy. Yeah. Yeah. And I think Kyron is like criminally underrated every year. Do you care? Fuck Mary Kill with your picks? Ooh. I mean, look, I'm going to, I'm going to fuck Niko and then marry Javante. I'm going to kill Garret Wilson. I'm sorry. I got to tell you, you know what he didn't talk about Niko Collins? It's a great name. Niko Collins. Niko Collins. It's not boring. Niko's an incredible name. Yeah. Niko's a good name. Can you give us a stride? He was so bad. We even got the stride from you. Stride. In the pocket. Look dude. We look. Look. Got him. Niko Collins. Got him. That's not Houston. Oh. It's good. I missed that. All right. All right. I'm killing Terry McLoren. I'm going to. Is that Terry? Was that Terry? Is that Terry? Is that Terry? Is that Terry? A good name? Like Niko? Terry. Any name or something? I can best Johnson. What about Garret Wilson? Garret Wilson. Oh man. That's not the best. Yeah. Maybe not. It's a stride. Garret bear. I don't know. So wait. What are you doing? You have Terry? You have. I'm killing Terry. I'm killing Terry. I'm killing Terry. Really? No. I'm going to marry Aaron Jones and fuck H.S. Oh. Interesting. What kind of like to the fuck Mark Andrews and Mary H.M.? No. I'm marrying H.S. and fucking more K.S. I think that's right. I liked it the first time. I just reacted to him saying that. I'm just. No. I like the way I said it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. DK, have you seen the news? I don't know. Have you seen the good news? Have you heard the good word? Right now. It's 78 degrees in sunny and Cleveland. Is that right? What are your thoughts? Well, I did say. How long you respond? Hold on. All right. Hold on. Let's look up the weather in Siberia, which you said you prefer. Probably really hot. The weather in Siberia right now. Siberia is a big place. It's currently 44 degrees Fahrenheit. Well, like find another place in Siberia or it's hot. Find a new slant. Yeah. Oh, find a hot spot. Where is Siberia? Find a hot spot in Siberia. So where in Russia is Siberia? It's like toward the east. It does say clear skies. Siberia. 44 degrees. Clear skies. I mean, you know, I'm looking at Google images. Siberia looks. It's not what I thought. I'm going to go out and all in here. It's really pretty, actually. That looks like Cleveland looking. Siberia looks incredible. Look at Siberia. Cleveland or Siberia. Can we play this? We're going to do this fucking game. This is like that geolocation game. We're looking at road signs. We did get an email from people in Cleveland. I thought you were going to get screamed at. And someone was like, yeah, I moved to Cleveland. Deke is right. I was like, oh my god. Look, I said Cleveland is probably really lovely in the summer. the other thing I want to bring up before where we go is the NFL is getting rid of the pro ball. - I love it. - And I love the fact that Shadour Sanders is like the last pro ball quarterback to play in a pro ball. - You know what, that is correct. That should push us over the edge. - Shadour, it actually feels like for the ones in the NFL in their life. - And then it feels like it can't keep up. - And then it feels like, all right. - That was the lie. - They're making fun of us now. (laughing) - Pro ball quarterback Tyler Huntley. They're making fun of us. - Tough week for Shadour to lose the job to Deshawn Watson after he said basically tell the fans to fuck themselves and then also they ended the pro ball because you made it. - The Ranger Fantasy football show is brought to you by Fandall before the football season begins. Every team is undefeated. Every fan believes this could be the year. The year their team wins the division, makes the playoffs, lifts the trophy. And with Fandall, you can bet on any of it. From who will win it all and division winners to season win totals and playoff futures, Fandall has all the ways to bet on the season before it even begins. Easiest bet, the Broncos are 20 to one so when the Super Bowl, I don't really understand that 'cause the Broncos made the ASC championship game last year, should have won but Bonaix got injured and then kept the entire team in other 20 to one. That doesn't really make any sense to me 'cause the Broncos probably are gonna have the second best defense in the ASC. I just, how do the Broncos have the same Super Ball odds as the Packers? That doesn't make any sense. Like the Packers would be really weird if they made the Super Bowl or at least surprising. The Broncos that would be super normal. So the Broncos of 20 to one, it just feels mispriced. So get your football future bets in today on Fandall. Visit fandall.com/ringerphanacy to get started 21 plus select states or 18 plus DC or Wyoming. Gambling problem called 1-800-Gampler, called 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut. The only, one other thing I want to mention, I had a couple, I had one email I wanted to read you guys which was from Jack which, Jack. So the last episode we were arguing about the, fuck Mary Kill from morning after the night evening, whatever, and anyway, we were arguing with this. And Jack said the subject line was just, we need on the next fantasy court intro where you're like, the definition of an object, huh? - The material thing that can be seen and touched. - And Jack, Jack wants to add to the fantasy court intro, Craig saying, night to me is when it's dark. (laughing) - We had some really hard hitting stuff on the show. - Is what it's, to me, to me, is what it's dark. We do need to add that to the-- (laughing) - There's an Instagram account guy who just explains things using like baby talk, like fire, hot, don't touch. Craig says, night, dark. (laughing) - Sun, bye bye. Woman's Day, Sun, bye bye. Okay, the other, I'm gonna skip these other emails I had because right before we started recording, you started telling a story about when you, you don't wanna do it? - No, no, we totally can't. I thought you knew this, I thought we talked about it. - I didn't register. - Would be the last time. - Would be the last time or the first time. - You went to, at the same conversation. - You do the town with Matt Bellany, you produce that show. And you went with Matt Bellany to interview James Cameron before the latest Avatar came out, Fire Dash. And you, - Good for you. - Yeah, thanks for knowing this, sometimes. - I crushed those ad reads for this. The ever listening nose, I crushed. That was my finest work with the Avatar, Fire Dash, Adreads. And you not only get this interview with James Cameron at his house, but then you watched Avatar. - I didn't say I said his office. - Oh, his office. - Light storm. - And you said right before we started recording that you watched Avatar with James Cameron in the front row of a theater, of an empty theater. - Couple corrections. - Okay. (laughing) - Okay. - We interviewed James Cameron, but he wanted us to have seen Avatar. So the day before the interview, we went to Light Storm, which is his office in Manhattan Beach. He has his own private theater in there. It's like a whole- - Of course. - Of a theater. - He was not there. - Okay. - He told us to watch the movie. - Okay. - But he wasn't there. - He didn't watch the movie with us. We interviewed him the next day. But the person who was there, who was his like producer or whatever, was like, oh, Jim only watches movies. Front row, dead middle. So you watched it. - Somewhere Austin Gale is just like, this vibrate. - He is on a new level. - So they were like, you need to watch it like he prefers. So Matt and I sat literally out to our dead middle, sitting back, looking up. - Avatar, we wore the theater. - And you could have just wore sat further back. - Totally. - Nobody in the theater. - Can I ask you a question? Have you considered for even one moment that that guy was just fucking with you? - Oh, I like that. - No, because we corroborated that. We talked to him about it. James Cameron. - What did he actually do? - Why does he do that? - He thinks it's like the most enveloping experience. It allows you to like feel the movie the most. - Meanwhile, the Odyssey, IMAX, even in Los Angeles, the front row at every IMAX screaming is literally empty because it's like a seizure warning. - Austin's just texting. - Yes. (laughing) - He just said enveloping that. - I say that. - Yeah, I mean it was obviously a very cool experience, but I still, the front row is brutal. I can't do that. - No. - That's too much. I did enjoy watching Avatar that way. That was cool. - You get like a chair that maybe reclines. Now we're talking a little bit. - It did. - Cars recline. - But like a lot. It was like one of those like nicer, you know. - So it's better than nothing. - It's better than just like a regular seat. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, big gym. - Front row. - Dead front row, dead middle. - In an empty theater, that's fucking nuts. That's actually a crazy thing to do. And I can't believe you guys just sat there for three hours and weren't like, why don't we move? - Yeah, and then we interviewed him in the theater. He was the same theater that he just, we didn't like do it in an hour. - Did you sit in the front row? - No, not in the interview. There was like some tables that we had to use. - What's your favorite James Cameron movie? - Honestly, I thought the second avatar was awesome. - I like all the avatars. - Do you want me to, do you want me to rattle off of you? - Terminator two or. - Oh yeah, I forgot about this. - It's kind of lame, but like Titanic is fucking good. All right. (laughing) - Your life. - Titanic is really fucking good. - Oh my God. - If you like, nobody wants to watch Titanic. - If you sit down, put on Titanic. (laughing) - That's a good movie. - That's going in the fantasy creature. - That's true. - Titanic? - It's fucking good. - Titanic is a really good movie. I think it's not cool. - Titanic is funny because it probably is, but when I was, have you never seen it? - No, I've seen it. It's probably like technically a great movie or whatever, but when I was growing up, like when it came out it's like seven. - It's such a sad. - All the girls in my class went and saw it like eight times. - Yeah, 'cause then you know. - The great part of Titanic two is that no matter how many times you watch it, I always forget that we're coming back to that woman at the end. I always, that always was like a shock to me. - Yeah. - That it sinks? - No. (laughing) - Fuck you, no. You come back and she throws a lot. I always forget that that's happened. - Hyphids is like, "Fuck it, sinks." I'm like, "What happens?" - Holy shit. - I'm gonna rattle off some of his movies real quick. Determinator Rambo First Blood Part Two. He didn't do the first part of First Blood? - No. - Okay. - Helians, the Abyss, which I think is an underrated movie. - Well, he did Aliens, which is the sequel to Alien by the Scott movie. - Right, right, right. Okay. - Terminator two, Judgment Day point break. True lies. Strange days, Titanic. - He didn't direct point break. - I was about to come on that. I was shocked. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - His wife. - Yeah, my bad, my bad. - 'Cause she did the heart locker of the same year that he did have at all. - Sorry, and he didn't direct Rambo First Blood Part Two either. - What? - He didn't direct, Rambo First Blood Part Two either, right? He is a writer on that. - I'm glad you said that 'cause I was very quiet and I was like, "James Cameron did Rambo?" - I know, I've never said Rambo. - I'm like, really? - You're out of your depth. - It's just like written by the-- - I can't read it if you don't have your reading. - I can't read every movie you're naming is wrong. - I'm sorry. - Point break, I didn't see the giant red box that said no direct. - Wait, should we break that out? It seems reading a list, but everything's wrong. - James Cameron did not direct Strange Days either for the record. - Did you get a name? He's right. - Sam of 'em. - Yeah. - I can catch the ball just not all the time. - True Lies, he directed True Lies with Schwarzenegger. - No, that's okay. - He did Determinator Dawn of Fate. Oh wait, no, that's a video game. - What's the line from True Lies? It's so good. - Oh, he's so good. - That's a good, that's all. - It's like something we piss his pants through. - I just love the T.K.S. reading up. - He's going to scream like Ron Burgundy. - Look, I read the-- - Filmography, and I thought it would be his filmography, right? - He was a writer. - Did he break? - God, there was a really fucking famous line. - Who are the other clubs? - She could suck Stark, a leaf blower. - Oh yeah. - She could suck Stark a leaf blower. - Man, that's good. Oh my God. - Oh yeah. - Beat Jim. - Okay. - Like a ten year old boy. - Christ. - Yeah. - Anyway. - No, it's cooking in that movie. - Yeah, he really was. - It's cooking. - Did we want to talk about the butt wiping thing? Are you going to get out of here? - No, we've already done that on the show. - Feel like we don't need to gross people out there. - No, yeah, you're right. Okay, all right. Thank you, T.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Austin. - Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Nikhil. Thank you, CT. Thank you. I don't know who else is in there. We can't hear them. - Oh yeah, fuck. - They're screaming, we can't hear them. - Yeah, no, no. Thank you, everybody, helping us today. Thank you to everyone who's going to watch the Ring of Fantasy football live draft on Netflix on Friday, August 28th, at 11 a.m. pacific 2 p.m. Eastern, 1 p.m. central noon mountain. - Yeah, I have the fifth pick. You have dead. last and you have ten you fucked me you clipped my ball you we all drove we we didn't know who's balls we're hitting pause right thank you yeah we they were anonymous based on uncursion on cool yeah the balls were anonymous yeah we didn't know the balls there's been some internal pushback right let's just say that people didn't like our mess people fucking hate us we did that last you people fucking hate us in this league if those don't know if you you're not gonna tune in this draft I can't tell you how much the people in this league Bill Sal Mao Sean Chris Van Chris doesn't hate it no you got the first big everyone fucking hates us every one fucking hates us they hate the way we run it every text I send it reminds you that these people are directly are indirectly in charge of us yeah just fucking hate I think they hate me the most and they every text I send we see people fucking hate me if no response no response no response and then we send like an update this is an abominate you you're an idiot what sucks is like we are genuinely trying to just make it fun trying everyone's having fun this is what it's like to be you know it's a commissioner thing it's all the hate that the commissioner gets we were like picking out of the hats boring we did that last year how can we make it more fun and put something on social never and Van is like what the fuck crack-piped one for CR I literally I to one dude CR I don't golf you guys know this like I golf's probably twice in the last 15 20 years but that swing looks good and I thank you by the way and we were practicing ahead of time you know everything like getting some yeah getting some hacks in I never missed one ball until hypothesis came up it's like my body knew I do I do think your body subconsciously knew that it was my ball there's something change about the vibe of that ball yeah and I topped it in it went one yard and if it's now has a 12 big but that's not bad actually I honestly if I'm not getting a top two pick I don't mind the 12 I hit my own ball and I got 10th right and I had all the low ball like I didn't do well I didn't do well yeah we we needed to make it feel or we needed to make it random right you know yeah so anyway everyone hates us but it's fun okay it'd have to be fun it can be great oh sorry thank you Lauren Lauren Millennial Banger's only a few left I got to do it this song is hilarious remember the name by my oh my god Craig I've never I've never I've never let you more I've never remember their name decay this is like the this is look 20% scale 15% concentrated power of well 5% pleasure of 50% pain in a hundred percent reason to remember the name terrible song also great but also kind of like commercial song like warm-up music yeah before middle school yeah this is it's like high school basketball warm-up but parentheses like cheesy no it's perfect tongue in chief it's not as good as like till I collapse it but you would play it right before to like collapse it's J J V football boss warm-up lock dude it's what's minor Fort minor like I think a religious group it's like religious rap what I can't tell they're they're like the number if I could draft one hit wonders of our like growing up I they'd be my first pick so it was a side project by one of the guys from Lincoln Park oh no shit no one was good no wonder it was good are you serious that makes sense why it was so fucking good and then I never heard about them again it's Mike oh Mike Shinota that makes so much more well didn't know that you know what I was thinking of you know because that's why they yell Mike Shinota I just thought it was like their friend you remember POD yeah here comes the boom yeah it's up I think it's ping-pong in the music video I think they're a religious rap oh POD that's also like an elite madden song boom yeah it comes up remember that's like longest yard had that yeah it's every American Christian new middle remember the name is like anybody in our age range if you play the first two seconds of that song they're like of course I yeah of course what's the what's the best not tongue in cheek but real warm-up song it's till I collapse and I think remember the name maybe I mean I'm just a corny guy I want I also think can't be touched by Roy Jones maybe a little bit more into the radar can't be touched banger banger warm-up you know what the fight the warm-up banger the fight night touched came be rocked came be shook oh I don't really know you actually got closer than I thought you could on that voice now I do know that song yeah when will you make us learn that song's good goodbye everyone must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas star casino or 18 plus and present in DC Kentucky or Wyoming gambling problem call 1-800 gambler or 1-800 my reset call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland hope is here visit gambling help line ma.org or call 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