339. The Billboard That Caught a Killer: The Murder of Ali Kemp

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You create it layer by layer until it finally feels like fall. Find fall your way at Ross. You're listening to an Ono Media podcast. Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder With My Husband. I'm Peyton Moreland. And I'm Garrett Moreland. And he's the husband. And I'm the husband. Well, here we are. What a crazy week, haven't we? Would you guys like to know what's been going on? We'll start with Peyton. Oh, I just got out of the hospital today. Show them your little hospital band. Peyton just got out of the hospital. I was in a little bit of preterm labor. They stopped it. I was having lots of close and good contractions. Basically, her gallbladder attack just put her into labor. And we're back at home. But if it happens again, more than likely we will have a baby. Which is so, so annoying because I've stuck to the diet and it had worked thus far. So I'm going to have a baby. I'm going to have a baby. Everything's okay. We'll keep everyone updated, but that's what we got there. I got stitches in my arm. So that happened too. I'm okay. At least I think I am. Yeah. I got a pretty ginormous object removed from my arm. Right? Okay. It was cyst-like. We're still waiting for the test to come back. It was 1.5 centimeters. It was bigger. I watched them and heard them measure it. I'll post a picture of it. It's definitely bigger than 1.5 centimeters. Babe, 1.5 centimeters is big. That's the. For something that doesn't belong in your body. That's the diameter of the 1.5 centimeters, right? Yes. Yeah, that's pretty big. It's big. Like for a foreign thing to come out of your body? Dude, they were digging in my arm. He had a bump. We went into the dermatologist. They were like, can we just do it right now? Cut his arm open. Full-blown surgery on this table. I kid you not. Listen, he did a great job. I don't think he's listening to this, but he did a great job. It just was deeper. It was bigger and deeper than he thought it was. Yeah. I'm just saying. I know it was because I can tell. He ended up having to really get his scissors in there. There was a lot of blood. He ended up having his nurse glove up because it was. It was good size. But yeah, it kind of looked like a little mini brain that came out. So they are testing it. So I have stitches. I'm supposed to play sports tomorrow, but I can't really move my arm like that. Okay. So just bagels, podcast, baby, life. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. We got a crazy life. Like really think about it. An hour ago, an hour and a half ago, we were like, are we bringing a baby home? This is true. Literally, the doctor was like, who's in triage? She's in labor. Like that's how close the contractions. Her contractions were every like a minute. Yeah. 45 seconds. Yeah. And then it was like, oh no, they were just induced contractions. From a gallbladder attack. Yeah. Anyways, that's my 10 seconds. That's our 10 seconds. That's our crazy life right now. And we're just chugging forward. That's the thing. I was like a little nervous sitting in the hospital room. Cause I, you know, all these, like, what if I have another attack? What if this starts again? What if I go home and it starts again? I'm not full term. I'm not even at my own hospital. Like, what am I going to be doing? And then I literally was like, okay. And like, what, what I have zero control over this. I was ready. If we had the baby, I was ready. Our life's already so crazy right now. I'm just like, bring it on. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just how all of this aligned to opening a bagel shop and having a baby and opening a second bagel shop at the same time that you're due with another baby. Yeah. Podcast. Um, we also signed an extension for Netflix. Yeah. For those who didn't know. So we'll be on Netflix for longer. We're excited about, we're very excited about, they've been awesome to us. You guys have been loving watching the show on Netflix. So thank you. Thank you to all those who continue to listen on audio too. I mean, between audio and Netflix, we love you guys. We got a good little family going on. You know, what's crazy is like, I remember early on, we would be like the podcast was our whole lives and it literally hasn't changed even with the bagel shop. It is such a major part of our life, even with a baby and a bagel shop coming, it's like. And we still record weekly. You guys are our OGs. You know what I mean? Like. It's weird. I mean, when we first started recording, it was like one download, two download. Yeah. Two downloads, three downloads. Gosh. Remember when we hit a hundred downloads on one episode? I know. I thought fly me to LA baby. 99% of them were probably our family and friends because they felt bad for us. I know. You know what? This is your sign right now. If you have a dream, chase it. Okay. Just do it. Because it was, it was a little embarrassing when we first started the podcast. I think it's less embarrassing now, but back, back then it was a little embarrassing to be two full grown adults being like begging people on Instagram to listen to our, our podcast. We had no idea if it was ever going to like work or not. And look, we just kept chugging. We kept our, we, we were like, we are doing this. So follow your dreams. If you needed a sign, this is your sign, right? Now, just do it. Nothing's embarrassing. Look at this. No, I'm teaching a class, an entrepreneurship class next week for a college and something that I personally have never struggled with because I am a psychopath is just doing something. But I feel like that's the biggest thing and dreams you're chasing or business. Like just do it. He's got to do it. You just have to do it. You don't have to know exactly what you're doing. You don't have to have all the answers. You just got to do it and it'll work out. I'm telling you, just do it. It'll work out. If you commit to something for long enough, it's going to work out. All good vibes your way. We love you. And let's hop into this week's episode. Our sources for this episode are cbsnews.com, aetv.com, oxygen, nbcnews.com, gallatinnorthmissourian.com, johnsoncountypost.com, people.com, kshb.com. kmbc.com, ljworld.com, fox4kc.com, medium.com, and kansascity.com. Our world is oversaturated with ads. Social media, television, bus stops, billboards, billboards. Most of us pass them by without so much as a thought or a second glance. But what we don't realize is that information sits with us. It gets filed. It goes away in a part of our subconscious, ready to resurface the moment another memory triggers it. Ever thought, I'm hungry. I actually want a burger like the one I saw on that billboard today. That's what I'm talking about. They work. And if placed in a high traffic area, they can be seen by thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people a day. And this was something Roger Kemp considered in 2003. After his 19-year-old. daughter, Allie, was murdered by an unknown assailant. After putting her photo, a composite sketch, and information about her crime on billboards, trucks, ads across the country. It not only got them some really good leads, it actually ended up being the reason why her killer was brought to justice. So let's head to a quiet little enclave about 12 miles from here. This is the kind of place where people grow up and they just never really leave. And why would they? Those who've spent their lives here say it's like a modern day, quote, leave it to beaver. Where you'd happily show up to a new neighbor's home with a welcome basket. Where you would allow a stranger to come inside your home for a glass of water or to use the bathroom. It was a town where everyone was known to be a hard worker with strong values. Midwest values where Supposedly, a third of the locals actually had a master's degree and where the violent crime rate was well below the national average. And it is here in this safe little suburb with its tree-lined streets that Alexandra Kemp grew up. Allie, as everyone called her, was the oldest of three siblings with two younger brothers named Tyler and Drew. And she was one of those girls around town that everyone had heard of. She was extremely involved in school extracurricular activities, especially soccer, but she did love poetry. She was an honors student who also happened to be part of the unofficial welcome community at school. If there was a new kid in town, Allie was quick to just take them under her wing, show them the ropes. Everyone said she was warm-hearted, empathetic, with eyes that showed just how kind she was. And she had this boisterous laugh that could be heard across the room. It was pretty infectious. So you can see why Allie was so popular. And she had so many friends in Leawood, many of whom she stayed close with after she graduated high school and began studying at Kansas State University. And she was a great friend of Allie's. This time when he goes in, he actually finds the lights and flips them on, because like I said, Tyler went in. and called her name but the lights were off so now her dad goes in flicks the lights on and that's when he sees ali's things her phone and her backpack he sees her books are out on the table in the pump room and there's blood on the floor and this is when he spots it underneath a pool tarp there is a leg sticking out oh my gosh now imagine being this dad i just can't i like i can't it infuriates me he walks over he removes the tarp obviously he's looking for his missing daughter and he finds that the leg that was sticking out belongs to his 19 year old daughter ali's fingernails are broken one of her shoes is on the opposite side of the room her t-shirt is pushed up around her throat her bra is pulled up to expose her chest she's not wearing any pants or underwear she's been beaten strangled and she's covered in blood and this is how her own father finds her this is when he calls 9-1-1 now roger tells the operator his daughter has been murdered but he's also heard over the line telling ali to just stay with him and to fight and when the first responders show up it appears that's exactly what ali's doing roger is holding her in his arms and she still has a slight pulse oh my gosh so they love this so much i honestly i truly hate it so they load her into an ambulance and they rush her to a nearby hospital and meanwhile the police immediately get to work at the crime scene like realizing this has been an attack this was obviously an attempted homicide one of the first things they realize is that ali definitely fought with her attacker there are pool supplies everywhere in this pump room like they were knocked off the metal shelving units there's also a puddle of blood near the pool tarp which they collect dna samples from and there is a tube of antibiotic ointment that is separated from its cap and it is lying near the spot where ali's body was was found so they bag and tag thinking maybe we can pick up something like prints or dna it looks like it's been opened or used now unfortunately there are no cameras at the pool that could have caught her attacker but there is a shopping center just across the street and a few of those businesses have cameras so police ask them for their security footage but it really doesn't bring anything of value to the case which means a lot of this is going to just happen the police have to rely on good old-fashioned eyewitness testimony and at this same time doctors are doing everything they can at the hospital to save ali's life but shortly after her arrival it seems all hope is lost and ali is pronounced dead at just 19 years old this means police now officially have a homicide investigation on their hands and the first person they want to speak to is the last person that was known to see ali alive before her brother showed up to look for her and that was her boyfriend phil house now the reason they decide to rule phil out first is this appears to be a crime of passion and with phil being the only one romantically linked to ali it makes sense to start with him first when police bring him in for questioning phil tells them how to pull around 2 15 p.m to go to his other job he was literally supposed to see ali later that night and she even called to talk more about this date around 2 51 p.m but he had missed her call and his alibi is actually really easy to confirm his other job which is all the way across town vouches for him being there and showing up for the shift now they also ask phil to give some dna samples to use as comparison he obviously cooperates but talking to phil also helps with something else it's the timeline of ali's death if she last called him at 2 51 p.m and her brother arrived to relieve her from her shift a little before 5 p.m that leaves about a two-hour window where this attack most likely occurred which can help them verify future alibis luckily it doesn't take long for leads to start coming in after this including two gardeners who were working at the pool that day and had spotted something of note so they claimed that when they took a lunch break in their car that afternoon they noticed a tan 1980s ford pickup truck pull up to the pool parking lot which was important because that was the only car that was there that day with it being so cold and the pool being empty they said the times before leaving but they didn't get a good look at the driver unfortunately or the license plate probably because they didn't even find this alarming until after they heard about ali's murder so it's not the perfect lead but it was a start though the police got something even better when one of ali's friends came forward to say she had actually swung by the pool that day and she noticed something she thought was weird so around 3 15 p.m this is after the call to phil but before tyler has showed up for his shift of relieving ali ali's friend stopped by the pool to hang out with her for a minute knowing like she was on shift and when she got to the parking lot she said she started honking she admitted she was being a bit obnoxious she was just trying to get ali's attention she figured ali would you know poke her head out from the pool laughing like again this is there's no way she's going to be able to get out of the pool and she's not going to be able to get out of the pool there's no one there so ali's just hanging out but the friend says it wasn't ali who she saw instead she saw a man peek out at the parking lot from the pool okay she said he was wearing blue coveralls and carrying a bucket so she assumed it was probably just ali's boss or someone like working maintenance at the pool and that's when her friend thought oh shoot i probably just got ali in trouble i thought she would be here alone so she ducked down to the pool and in her car in the parking lot embarrassed apparently the man then walked past her toward the parking lot waved at her got in his car pickup truck and drove away okay now the friend like was just kind of creeped out by this whole thing so she did give him a minute to drive away and then she gets out of her car and she's gonna go look in the pool area for ali to be like who was that did i get you in trouble and then she gets out of her car and she's gonna go look in the pool he like waved at me he was creepy but she goes in and she doesn't see her she's like okay maybe ali's just running an errand or something so she actually just gets back in her car no that breaks my heart without seeing ali that breaks my heart because it's not her fault obviously no no that's just so just what a situation now police think well this this friend's random visit might hold the key to solving this case the man she saw has got to be their suspect he's the one that was driving the tan truck so they have ali's friend sit down with a sketch artist because she does remember this guy's face a few hours later they have a composite sketch and description of their suspect a white male around his mid-30s with short brown hair heavy set kind of round in the face somewhere between five foot eight and six feet tall now a few days later that sketch is posted all over town and tips start pouring into the lewood police department but nothing that's really worth pursuing now around the same time ali's autopsy report is completed and this gives police a clearer picture of the crime that was committed against her that day they determined her official cause of death was blunt force trauma and broken fingernails but broken fingers which proved she did fight her attacker okay so they collect additional dna from under her fingernails the marks on her neck indicate she was likely approached and strangled from behind though they aren't able to determine what sort of object was used to strangle her they do however conclude that while her clothing was removed there didn't appear to be any signs of her being strangled so they're not able to determine what sort of object was used to strangle her as a result of her sexual assault meanwhile analysts are also working on recovering dna from the items collected at the scene including that ointment tube and cap that they had found and when it comes back from testing results say it does have dna on it but it isn't ali's it belongs to an unknown male so not phil or anyone else they had taken samples from up till this point that sample the one on the ointment tube also matches dna that was found on ali's shirt and bra interesting okay so not having anyone else to compare it to yet they run these shared samples through CODIS and unfortunately they don't come up with a match but they do have a good enough read on the DNA that when a lead does come through they will have a really good sample to compare it to and actually that first lead comes sooner than they anticipate four days after Allie's murder Leawood police get a call from the Leavenworth County Sheriff's Department saying this they had a warrant out for a local man's arrest and it turns out he also matched the composite sketch of Allie's murderer pretty well and even more damning when police approached him he said to them quote are you here about the girl who was murdered at the pool in Leawood yeah I mean just because of how you started the story I know it's not going to be him I don't know if it's going to be him I don't know if it's going to be him I don't know if it's going to be him but let's keep it going so obviously they arrest him because they have a warrant for something else they bring him in for questioning and when they do they notice these scratch marks all over his arms and the sheriff's department's thinking this is the guy who murdered her problem is he has a very solid alibi for the time of the murder he was at work where multiple people saw him could vouch for him and he has an excuse for the marks on his arms too it turns out they were from a domestic violence case and he was a victim of a domestic violence case and he was a victim of a domestic dispute with his wife from just a day or two earlier and this is something she confirms as well interesting so this is a dead end maybe it's a different guy than what the friend saw I don't know but a couple days later the police get another good lead a man who once again looks a lot like the person in the sketch his name is James Strader the 27 year old is an auto mechanic who lives just 50 miles or so away from Leawood and when he gets to the police station he's going to be able to get to the police station and when officers go to speak with him he also says I was at work at the time of the murder at an auto repair shop in Kansas so detectives speak to his boss sure enough it's true he was working at the time so police end up scratching this tip off the list as well which means when friends gather for Ali's funeral they are no closer to having someone to blame Ali's funeral is held on Saturday June 22nd at the United Museum of the United States and it's held on Saturday June 22nd at the United Museum of the United Museum of the United States and it's held on Saturday June 22nd at the United Museum of the United States and it's held on Saturday June 22nd at the United Museum of the United Church of the Resurrection in Leawood this is the largest United Methodist Church in the world it seats 3,500 people and that day every single chair was filled to honor Ali now meanwhile police are taking every possible step they can to try and find who is responsible for this murder they are combing hundreds of DMV records looking for that tan truck they pull every single car registered in that style in both Missouri and Kansas and they begin looking into everyone who drives them but over the next few months these leads dry up so Ali's family and friends kind of start to take matters into their own hands her father Roger put it like this quote you've got two choices you can stay in bed and pull the covers over your head or you can go out and fight the battle and I was going to fight the battle there was no way I was going to let this guy win good for him which is when Roger contacts the producers of America's Most Wanted gets them to do a segment at first and then an entire episode on Ali's case and he ups the reward for information on her case to $25,000 which is then matched by city officials for the grand total being 50k he places a large ad in the magazine USA Today with the composite sketch and a photo of Ali underneath the headline quote do you know who killed me he even takes out ads on long haul trucks so people across the country can see the sketch of the man but Roger's most successful idea is to put this composite sketch on a billboard okay so he calls around a local advertising companies he's like what's a billboard going to cost me he's going to pay for it but when he speaks to a local company that owns several billboards in the area and tells them well this is what my plan is they offer to do it for free and he's like well I don't know what you're talking about I'm going to do it for free oh so I'm talking about and within a few days of making that call the first billboard goes up that's awesome followed by three more throughout the area and suddenly now eight months after Ali's murder leads are pouring in again it is exactly the boost the case needs to gain more momentum and shortly after that an old suspect pops back up on the scene of the crime and he's arrested by a man by the name of James Strater and his name is James Strater and it turns out the guy has been arrested in Kansas City after being accused of a string of sexual assaults so it's the same guy they already thought yeah but he had it he had an alibi and so they were like we let him go but now he's popping back up again okay because he's been accused of a string of sexual assaults all young women have been arrested by a string of sexual assaults and some as young as 14 years old though some sources did say younger now police in the world no he has an alibi they've already checked this he has an alibi for the day Ali was killed but what are the chances you have this guy who has a string of like sexual assault allegations he has an alibi but the friend was like I saw this person yeah and it matched so someone's wrong right and so let's figure out obviously who's wrong and you and the cops are with you they can't shake that this might be the guy this message is sponsored by green light I think it is so hard managing a family just in general okay but then just the pressure of parenthood and teaching your kids everything you have their schedule their chores just everything goes with it and that's why we want to introduce you to green light it is an app that has made it feel manageable for parents big fan of green light talked about it before a family that uses this friends that use it love it we're gonna use this as soon as our baby comes but she'll be too young 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during that dispute okay he gets in a dispute during this traffic violation and is stabbed now police are able to collect his DNA and when they run it against the results found at the crime scene they aren't a match okay turns out James really isn't their guy so he's officially excluded as a suspect and to them it's like dang so he really wasn't yeah they're like what are the chances this guy has a string of sexual assaults what he looks just like the guy from the sketch and he's not our guy okay either way those billboards are really working overtime and they are bringing in a lot of leads that police feel are worth pursuing including one really interesting one that I think is really good one that comes in right around the one year anniversary of Ali's murder an anonymous caller phones the Leawood police to say I recognize the sketch on the billboard and the person they're suspecting also happens to be a pool maintenance guy so can you imagine driving past this billboard and like being like oh that looks like so-and-so and then being like wait this girl was killed at a pool while working on shift and the guy I'm thinking of is a pool maintenance guy maintenance guy? She tells police his name is Teddy Hoover. and that makes the police perk up because 27 year old teddy had actually been questioned back when this investigation started of course he had been but for one reason or another like he never became a serious person of interest but this tipster seems to know teddy pretty well and not only does he give the police teddy's current address he says also teddy's dad drives a ford pickup just like the one that you guys are reported like you were reporting was seen that day okay and and this guy is like and teddy borrows it a lot so not only is he a pool maintenance guy not only does he look like the guy in the sketch but he also has access to a car that multiple eyewitnesses saw in the parking lot so this is when police pay another visit to teddy hoover and when they get to teddy's house he allows detectives to come inside to ask him a few questions they admit to him we received a tip about you we want to eliminate you as a suspect teddy apparently seems calm and collected he says he isn't surprised because he himself had seen the billboards he knew he resembled the sketch but when they ask him if he was at that pool that day he says no i've never done any work at that pool okay however he did have other clients in the area so he could have been in the area that day he admits though it's been too long it was a year ago he can't specifically remember where he was that afternoon police are like hey no problem we've got a really easy way to cross you off our list because we've got solid dna samples and he doesn't give it and that's when teddy starts acting a little nervous okay he also can tell the police are picking up on this so he plays it off he's like i just don't want my dna ending up in like a national database that's weird too he says i'll have to get in touch with my lawyer see if this is something i even want to do and then i'll get back to you so he also gives them his attorney's information because he's like you're also going to need to contact me through my lawyer he had an attorney already i guess but by the time detectives leave his house they are like suspicious now after that three days pass they get no word from teddy so they finally get in touch with his attorney and he says look the guy never actually paid me so you don't have to go through me like you can go talk to him if you want which is why detectives now go back to teddy's house they knock on his door again only teddy's not there this time what a surprise his landlord says teddy told him he was going to las vegas and so they go back to the attorney they're like hey teddy wasn't there like we know he didn't pay you but did he talk to you about going to vegas and he's like i don't know he didn't pay you but did he talk to you about going to vegas and he's like he didn't talk to me about going to vegas he said he was maybe gonna go to florida so now police are like oh great so he's on the run yeah like he's on the run and he does a pretty good job of concealing his location they run his name through databases in both florida and nevada as well as the surrounding area he doesn't come up well actually he does but not in the way you would imagine turns out when police try to dig deeper into teddy hoover's background find out he's dead he has been for 10 years at that point which is when they realize the man they had been speaking to had actually stolen this teddy hoover identity and was living under this guy's alias okay for a while obviously this is only going to make him harder to track down he's living under an alias they don't even have his real name but thankfully there are some people they speak to who say they knew the name of teddy hoover's girlfriend like local girlfriend in the area it was a woman named lara bar but she's equally as hard to find and i hate to tell you this but 17 months then pass oh in this case police have no idea where teddy or his girlfriend lara are and so this is when they come up with an idea they start contacting postal inspectors to see if anyone under the name of lara bar or teddy hoover has gotten mail in the states you're pretty smart uh-huh and finally in the fall of 2004 they get an answer and they find an address lara is living in connecticut with a new boyfriend named ben appleby and when local detectives go to look into it they find that uh ben appleby is actually teddy hoover who isn't actually teddy hoover no way so this is crazy they are still together 17 months later and they're still together and they're still together and they're still together and they're still together and they're still together and they're still together and they have this guy and he's the exact same person as all these names yeah so a little bit about ben appleby or teddy hoover his family lived in the kansas city area they did have a small pool cleaning business when ally was murdered ben also had an outstanding warrant from the 1990s for three misdemeanor counts of lewd conduct oh my gosh after he went around flashing high school girls and can i just i know it's like we don't judge behavior no that's insane but like whenever we have like a a random murder of a girl that is sexual in nature even if there's not sexual assault and then you look at a guy and he's peeping tom or flashing girls at high school or has a you know multiple sexual assault allegations against young girls it's hard not to be like okay he escalated to murder yeah like this just feels like a pattern of behavior we see time and time again not only this he has been arrested a few times in missouri once for second degree robbery which he supposedly committed with a double-barreled shotgun oh my so police are like this guy's rough he's gotta be our guy they have officers in connecticut execute the warrant and they knock on the front door of the house where he's living with laura they ask him hey are you ben appleby and once he says yes they put him in handcuffs and they bring him to the station and there leeward officers are already waiting eager to question him in ali's murder case and almost immediately he breaks down and starts confessing he tells these leeward officers he actually was at the pool that day he just went to see if he could get their business and he walked in no one was there but that's when he spotted ali working in the pump room all alone he said he went in he hit on her she wanted nothing to do with him and he says that just pissed him off holy crap he claims he blocked the doorway she started to feel uncomfortable and tell that something was wrong that's when he made a move and placed a hand on her waist ali stood up for herself she pushed ben she punched him in the chest ben says he snapped he said he pushed her laid down on top of her ripped her clothes off with the intention of sexually assaulting her then he began choking her he doesn't remember even what he strangled her with no of course he doesn't or why he did it they all say this but soon ali was unconscious he says he just kept going he grabbed the tube of antibiotic ointment to use as lubricant oh my what a absolute freak but then he hears the honking in the parking lot now if you remember this honking is from ali's friend who has showed up just to say hi to her at work and is trying to get her attention he says he got up he rushed out of there he went out to his truck and casually waved at ali's friend to try to like make it seem like nothing was going on says he got in his truck and he drove away okay with his confession signed and said hi to ali's friend he said he got in his truck and he drove away okay with his confession signed and said hi to ali's friend he said he got in his truck and he drove away okay with his confession signed and a confined attack. So like very specific to what Ali, his daughter, went through. And the program has actually since trained over 85,000 participants since it was opened in the early 2000s. So if you want to learn more about the Take Defense or honor Ali's memory with a donation, you can visit takedefense.org for more information. We will have it linked over as well. But that is the murder of Ali Kemp. Oh my gosh. It just like, those punishments are just, they aren't good enough for me, man. Those aren't good enough for me. I think it's. They just aren't. They never will be. I'm just, I'm not okay with it. I don't know how other people can be okay with it. I don't know how honestly other people can be like, yeah, just put him in jail for life. Truly, you can disagree with me. That's fine. I just truly don't understand how that's, that punishment works. I just don't understand how you show up to this pool to like. Off with their head. To like, see if you can get them as a client. And you're so disgusting and so inhumane that when you spot that it's only just a young single girl, like individual working, you decide, yep, I'm just going to go rape her. And that's what I mean. It's like off with their heads. Just off. Goodbye. Like how evil of a. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like how horrible of a person do you have to be to casually walk into this situation and take advantage of it? It's honestly mind blowing. I truly can't comprehend it. I can't. It's gross. Yeah. And then also like just her family having to be there and go through all of this. Anyways, we have the, all the self-defense stuff linked and again, also donations linked. Thank you guys so much for watching or listening. Thank you. Thanks. Oh, agents, where would we be without you? Hmm. Somewhere with a lot more tabs open. Create your first Monday agent in minutes at monday.com.