The Beltway Snipers: "Call Me God" — Ep. 4 | MK Confidential
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The transcription recounts the chilling events of the 2002 DC sniper attacks, focusing on the investigative efforts of FBI profilers Jim Clemente and James Fitzgerald. The killers, later identified as John Allen Muhammad and Lee Malvo, terrorized the region with random shootings, leaving cryptic notes to taunt police. The first communication was a tarot card with "Call me God," found after a shooting, followed by a detailed letter left at a Ponderosa Steakhouse in Ashland, Virginia, demanding $10 million and promising a 6 a.m. phone call. A critical failure occurred when the payphone rang at the locked restaurant, but no one answered, missing a chance to engage the killers. Fitzgerald's linguistic analysis of the letter revealed Black vernacular English features, suggesting a young Black male, a profile that contradicted historical sniper patterns and led to heated debates within the FBI. The profilers eventually theorized a two-person team, with Muhammad as the older, controlling figure and Malvo as the younger, groomed accomplice. The motive was tied to Muhammad's custody dispute, as he planned to kill his ex-wife amid the chaos. The case culminated in the tragic shooting of Conrad Johnson, a Jamaican-born bus driver, whose life paralleled Malvo's own background of abandonment. Despite missed opportunities, the investigation ultimately identified the duo, with Malvo later disclosing Muhammad's abuse, validating the profilers' early guesses about the killers' dynamic.
6 o'clock in the morning, Sunday, October 20, 2002, Ashlyn, Virginia, about a block and a half of Interstate 95. The Ponderosa Steakhouse is closed and dark. It has been closed since the night before when a man was shot in its parking lot. The lot is still taped off as a crime scene. Inside, in the hall by the front doors, there is a public telephone. At exactly 6 a.m., it rings. One of the men standing outside is an FBI agent. He hears the phone ringing inside the locked building and says somebody should get in there and answer it. No one does. It is not his crime scene. His hands are tied. The phone continues ringing, then stops. Six hours earlier, around midnight in the woods behind that restaurant, investigators find a plastic sandwich bag tacked to a tree with two white thumbtacks. It looks like a Halloween bag, the kind of child takes trick or treating. Folded inside it is a letter written on pink paper with stars stuck to it. Investigators bag it, unopened. It goes to a lab in the morning and is finally read around noon. The letter is handwritten and there are detailed instructions. It is from the snipers who have been terrorizing Washington DC for nearly three weeks. In it, they announce that they will call the public telephone at the Ponderosa at 6 o'clock Sunday morning, and police should be standing there to take it. I'm Megan Kelly and this is MK Confidential. A lot of skin care makes big promises, but often under-delivers, but one skin is different. In fact, they never set out to become a skin care company at all. It was founded by four PhD longevity scientists who spent over 10 years researching skin aging and testing more than 900 novel peptides before developing OS01. It's their proprietary peptide designed to address a leading driver of visible skin aging. That research is the foundation of every one skin product, helping support smoother looking skin, a more even tone, and radiance, and visibly fewer fine lines. And the results are backed by four peer-reviewed clinical studies and more than 10,000 five-star reviews. Born from over 10 years of longevity research, one skin is helping you unlock your healthiest skin now, and as you age, for a limited time, try one skin with 15% off using the code Megan at oneskin.co/megan that's 15% off one skin.co with code Megan. After you purchase, support our show and tell them we sent you and then enjoy this beautiful product. Jim Clemente and James Fitzgerald were in the room where the true profile of these killers begins to take shape. Both are retired FBI profilers. Fitz is also a forensic linguist. The agent who heard the phone ring from the parking lot is Tim Clemente, Jim's brother. By the middle of October 2002, the men doing the shooting have started to message the police. It starts 13 days before that phone rings with a card in the woods. October 7th, a 13-year-old boy named Iron Brown, is dropped off at Benjamin Tasker Middle School in Bowie, Maryland, and is shot as he walks toward the door. He lives. Police follow the trajectory back into the tree line, where a US Marshal Service dog stops at a fallen branch and sits. The ground there is flattened, the way ground looks when someone has been lying on it. Cadets rake the area and turn up a spent 223 casing. Near it an ATF agent finds a tarot card, lying face up in the brush. It is the death card. On the front is a skeleton in armor on a white horse carrying a black flag. Across the top handwritten in blue ink, call me God. On the back another handwritten message, for you, Mr. Police, and code call me God, do not release to the press. That's the entire message. The first and only real clues to the shooter's identity and his first known effort to communicate. 13 words may be 14. No one wants word of that card to leave this room. The lead homicide detective Joseph Bergstrom calls it an ace in the hole and warns a briefing of two dozen task force members that someone there might leak it. That night, on the 11 o'clock news, W USA and Washington reports that a tarot card has been found at the school. The Washington Post has it too. Both outlets get the wording wrong. It was a card from a fortune telling deck that's known as the death card with a note written on it, "Dear policeman, I am God." It's the latest chilling development in this chilling case and massive investigation. Dear policeman, I am God, which is not what the card said, and neither outlet initially reports the line that mattered most to the man who wrote it, quote, "do not release to the press." The next morning, Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose walks out to the cameras. I have not received any message that the citizens of Montgomery County won't channel nine or to Washington Post or any other media outlet to solve this case. If they do, then let me know. We will go and do other police work and we will turn this case over to the media. But to date, the people in my community have asked the police department to work the case, so I beg of the media, let us do our job. Moose says later that much of the anger was an act. He assumed the men who left the card were watching, and he wanted them to see the leak had not come from him. Twelve days later, another communication. It arrives the same way. Someone has to be shot first. Saturday, October 19th, Jeff and Stephanie Hopper have been driving for nine days. He is 37, a computer consultant. They are driving from Melbourne, Florida where they live to Pennsylvania to see her sister. They've heard about the shooter along I-95 and are careful not to buy gas anywhere near Washington, so they stop in Ashland instead, 100 miles south of DC. The Hoppers have dinner at the Ponderosa, Stake and Salad. Just before 8pm, they walk out across the parking lot toward their white Cadillac holding hands. They both hear a loud noise. Stephanie thinks a car has backfired. Jeff puts his hand on his stomach, goes down slowly and says, "I think I've been shot." She kneels over him. He says, "I love you. She says I love you." They say the Lord's Prayer together. And she tries to dial 911 and cannot get her phone keypad unlocked, so she starts shouting at people in the lot to call. Ashland Patrolman Tim Meacham is there in two minutes. He stops his cruiser at the end of the sidewalk, so the car is between the hoppers and the woods. Jeff was laying in the parking lot, and Stephanie was sitting on the sidewalk, and she was holding pressure on his stomach. I told her that I need to verify the injury, so she lifted up the towel that she was holding on it. And I saw a poll about the size of a nickel in the top of the victim's stomach. Meacham says she was the calmest person he has ever seen at a scene like this. He tells her the thing to do with a bleed is to hold pressure, that it isn't rocket science. She starts laughing, so does her husband. She started to chuckle, the victim started to laugh, and at this point, I'm like, "Okay, can you guys let me in on the joke?" Well, she was a rocket scientist for NASA, so me telling her there wouldn't rocket science. She kind of knew that already. The round has gone in under his sternum and come apart inside him. When the ambulance crew gets to him, they keep asking him how old he is. "I'm 37," he tells them, "and I hope to reach 38," he will. Behind the restaurant, there is a wooded lot, and it is completely dark. The plan is to wait for daylight. An ATF agent named Ray Neely argues against it. He has a yellow lab named Garrett, who finds gunpowder, and says the dog does not need to wait for daylight. The smell will never be stronger than it is right now. That's when I saw the rub mark. There was a small tree, about maybe two inches in diameter, with a small vine, and when I looked up that tree, it looked like someone had taken some type of heart object and leaned it up against that tree, and that created a rub mark. You wouldn't have that occurring in nature. You needed something hard, pressing against it. And it was also in Lana's site to where the person was actually hit as he exited the Apanda Rosa. And so that rub mark was someone probably using that tree as a rife for rest. Twenty feet behind that tree, the dog sits. Sure enough, the bullet casing is lying on top of the leaves, clean. Then a Hanover County Sergeant named James Seismore sees something on a tree trunk, a ziplock bag with a Halloween pattern on it, pinned up with two white thumbtacks, folded inside is pink lined paper with stars stuck to it, a note, not red, but sent in for processing. Six hours later, the phone rings.
in the locked best of you all and no one answers it. Two pieces of paper delivered two weeks apart. Over the next four days, almost everything the task force learns about these men comes out of those two documents and out of a room at Quantico, where two profilers are arguing about them. James Fitzgerald has been waiting for a letter before there was one. - We were trying to put the profile together for the week or so before and I was telling people, we're probably going to get a notification, a letter, a document somewhere and sure enough, there is the tarot card. I actually wound up writing a four and a half page report along with two other profilers in the unit, just summarizing what we saw in that card alone. - Four and a half pages out of 13 words. - First page or so was the guy basically had it wrong. In tarot world, death means transition of some sort. Could be a job promotion, a move, something like that. Did not mean the cessation of life. So that was the first page. And then it was trifurcated for you, Mr. Police. It's some sort of a respectful, deferential term, maybe an older person. I actually did some search on the internet and there's some hip-hop rap song references to that Mr. Police and I was a police officer prior to the FBI and nobody ever called me that. And the next line is Call Me, God in quotation marks. And what the heck did they mean by that? I did some more research. There was a movie called Navy SEAL starting, starring Charlie Cheen back in the 80s. And the sniper on that team, his nickname was God because he had the power of life and death. But I focused on the word press as opposed to media. And I summed up the end of it. It seems like using Mr. Police, someone deferential, hip-hop related, maybe younger, using press, the older word, which is now media was more common. Perhaps the person is older. So the end was we have sort of a mix of personalities here. Fitz did not say two people, not yet. He wrote that the card might have been made across two days in two moods. He also had to establish an approximate age for the writer. An age can be difficult to tell on a forensic link. I may have to do that all the time in a forensic linguistic analysis. Give us the age of an individual. And some older people write in a very sophomore accent. Some younger people can write in a very advanced seemingly educated or well-read sense. I think maybe 13 words, 14 words on that whole tarot card. And the card itself told us a lot, even about the maturity. Then he looked at punctuation. Why did he use quotation marks over call me God then separate do not release to the press? If anything, they could have been underlined or exclamation mark. I was this person's way of emphasizing something important to them. And again, if what I did in the Unibomb case, I compared the Unibomb writings to the eventual writings of Ted Kaczynski, many people in between. But finally with Ted Kaczynski, we could line up these unusual punctuation marks and other verb and down phrases. And that's what I was hoping to do in this case. While Fitz worked on the language, Jim Clemente worked on the scenes. The choice of targets, the distances of the shots, the timing. When the first six one shots, one kill happened, we immediately felt that this is somebody who is a little older. They're not in their 20s. They're probably most likely police or military trained because these are very efficient kills. And I know that sounds cold, but this is the way we analyze them. This is somebody who's sticking in running, sticking in running, and being incredibly efficient all through that day. In other words, they didn't decompensate at all. They didn't have their nerves get up and it didn't interfere with the later killings in that same day. Clemente read this sniper as a disciplined adult, a man who was trained to shoot and has killed before. Fitz saw a child. I remember very clearly Fitz was sitting next to me in the profiling room at our round table where he said, "Look, there's such a dichotomy here between the actions." Because we're all saying that we profile the shootings, and this is somebody who has planned and executed these shootings flawlessly. Yet Fitz is saying, I'm seeing some younger kind of influences in these notes. And I also remember, Fitz, you're saying that Mr. Police is aligned from some Jamaican reggae songs. And so that was the first time you mentioned that this person could have connections to Jamaica. Jamaica off a phrase on the back of a tarot card. And as we were arguing this out, everybody said, "Well, certainly this guy is in his late 30s or early 40s because he must be police and military trained." But Fitz was saying, "Well, I don't know, based on these writings, he's either, well, if he's an adult, he's just barely an adult." But Fitz said, "I think he's more like 15, 16 years old." And everybody said, "That's impossible." There was one answer, though, that made both takes true. So I jumped in to backfits up and say, "Well, then either for the first time we have a guy who is perfectly calm, cool, and collected while he is planning and executing the shootings, but decompensates and communicates like a child or for the first time in U.S. history. We have a sniper team, one old and one younger." But the profilers took issue with the idea of a team. In their experience, criminal snipers did not share control. Every single sniper case, criminal sniper case, prior to this, was a lone actor and a white male. So that's where you get the statistics pushing in one direction. But Fitz stuck to his guns, I supported him, and we eventually convinced the rest of the crew that this could be possible. They said, "Snippers don't work well together because they have a God complex." And I said, "Well, if one of them is older and actually forcing his will on the younger one, then he is feeling fine because he's controlling the younger one and the younger one doesn't really have a say in it." And they're saying, "Ah, that doesn't make much sense." And I said, "Well, he could control him completely by sexually victimizing him." And lo and behold, I think it was 11 years later that Malvo came out while he was in prison and said that Muhammad had been sexually victimizing him from almost from day one. That was a guess in a room in 2002 about two men no one had yet identified. Muhammad was never charged with abusing Malvo and he never answered that allegation. Did you know many US homes have toxic chemicals in their tap water? Even though contaminated water looks clear, it could put you at risk for devastating health concerns, including fatigue, hormone disruption, cognitive decline, even cancer. 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My brother Tim was the one that found the note, the one at the steakhouse in Ashland, and he immediately they hadn't opened it up, but it was actually tacked to a tree in a baggy that was a Halloween baggy, like a kid's Halloween trick or treat baggy. And so right there, just from the outside of that, and then seeing through the baggy that there were little gold stars on it, it was like what kind of a 45 year old is going to use this to communicate to law enforcement? When we then discussed it with Fitz, he gave us a number of other indicators of youthfulness in this communications, and that Mr. Police was kind of looking up to cops rather than squornfully looking down at them. You could read part of it through the plastic. Because it was a baggy that this note was contained in, you could see the front and the back of the note. And my brother saw the lines, your kids are not safe anywhere. Tim Clemente wanted to open it on the spot, preserve the evidence, but read it that night because he saw a clear threat to children in it. He was told no, it was not an FBI case yet, and the man who could make that call was asleep.
somebody in the local department said, "No, we're gonna wait till my boss wakes up and then we'll let him make that decision." My brother really kind of tried a whole bunch of things to try to get them to open it immediately, but they did not do it. And the phone, he was there. The phone was inside the vestibule of the restaurant, which was still locked. But he heard the phone ring at 6am, and he said somebody should definitely get in there and answer it, and again, it was not our crime scene. They never actually opened up the letter until like noon Sunday when they finally got it to the lab. We missed a classic chance to actually have someone talk to, talk to it, talk to the people that morning, and it turns out there was an incoming call to that payphone at 6am. That no one ever picked up. And I, as a linguist, I just always wonder what it would be like to have been on that call, and we could have really narrowed down even where they came from. Fitz knows what the alternative looks like because he's watched the bureau do it once before, on the kidnapping of Exxon Executive, Sidney Rieso. Rieso did not survive, but the way they caught the people who took him is the point. Agents in the Newark Division, there was about a hundred of them, all in cars, they went to every payphone in like North Jersey, and they sat on it. And sure enough, because they knew a call was coming in to some tip line somewhere, and sure enough, someone sees a guy get out of a car, a woman's in the car, makes the call, and the case gets put together from there, they stopped the car, and they were the kidnappers. So that exactly could have been done overnight. They would have had, you know, eight, six to eight hours to put agents around every phone booth. It wouldn't have been easy, and they could have missed it. We're not denying that. They could have made the arrest potentially right then in there, and definitely saved a few more lives. When the letter is finally in hand, it runs four pages. It opens with the same three lines as the tarot card. Page two begins, we have tried to contact you to start negotiation. What follows is a numbered list of the calls they say they made, and who took each one? An officer named Derek, a female officer at Rockville, the task force hotline, a priest, even CNN. Every one of them by the writer's account told them to call a different number or hung up. These people took the calls for a hoax or a joke, according to the letter. So your failure to respond has cost you five lives, it accuses. Then the demand, $10 million into a bank of America account, the note promises to call police at 6 a.m. on Sunday at the Ponderosa Buffet, and includes the phone number they plan to call. The letter closes with an alternative. If catching them matters more than stopping the killing, then, "Prepare you body bags." And underneath that a post script, your children are not safe anywhere at any time. And a promise, which Fitz has never forgotten. If we give you our word, then that is what takes place. Word is bond. Four pages was enough. Fitz noticed a conspicuous missing letter. So, at the time of the DC sniper case, I'm in my Georgetown master's program in linguistics, and I happen to be taking a course in social linguistics and we were studying US dialects. And I was learning about Boston dialects, New York, Philadelphia, which is mine, other parts of the country. And I realized it's not all geographical, it's cultural. And here I notice on this letter, one of the hallmarks, if you will, one of the features of Black vernacular English is a name for it, is a lot of Black people spoken and writing, drop the S's on either possessive words or plural words. And here in this note, when the first two pages alone, this letter, I think there are four pages total, the person writes the word "negotiation" should have been plural, demand should have been plural with an S, and 10 million dollar, which of course should have been plural. And if it happened just once, okay, it's a typo, I mean, it was handwritten, but you know, a mistake. Second time, maybe third time, I said, we have dialect features here of a Black person, most likely male. And I was the first one, and I know I talked to Jim Clemente about this, and I was the first one to say, Jim, I think we got a Black dog. Let's go up to the task force and tell them. That reading changed the profile. We were very careful in how we worded the profile. That was to go out to the public, and we very purposefully said, historically speaking, snipers are white males acting on their own. However, and here's the caveat, we don't know if this person exactly fits that, you know, historical matching in this particular case. And years later, I'd be hearing, oh, the FBI had it wrong. They said it was a white guy in the beginning. We technically didn't, but that's, you have to be careful when you put these profiles together. We don't want investigators or the public ruling out someone if they think they have good evidence otherwise, and they don't make the phone call. So the bureau hedged in writing on purpose, and the country heard white man, white van, and stopped listening. The men doing the shooting had been trying to get somebody on the phone for two weeks. Now they're asking the police to take their call at the ponderosa, so they can ensure the message gets through. Before any of the notes, one of the snipers called a priest. There was an even more detailed conversation where Muhammad, apparently earlier, had made a phone call to a priest. It was basically claiming the responsibility for the shootings outside of DC, but also claiming responsibility for shooting down south. Malvo and Muhammad apparently chose the priest specifically because he would not record their conversation, but they hoped he would go to the police. He did not. Investigators found him while chasing down the note left behind the ponderosa. For the moment, the detail about the shooting down south goes nowhere. The profilers had warned Chief Moose from the beginning about being careful on camera. We told Chief Moose immediately that snipers have a god complex, do not challenge them, because you will see them try to prove it, but he said at the end the streets are safe, your schools are safe. So the next day, they shot a child on his way into school. That child was iron brown, but by the end of the month, the men who shot him were writing the chief's lines and fits could watch it happen. Chief Moose was supposed to say something like we have the snipers in a noose with an unusual NUEC, I believe, spelling of the word noose. So they were definitely playing games at the end. I'm saying they now we were sure that there was more than one person, and now they're trying to have the chief of police at their back-and-call, making these particular statements. And underneath all of it, from the very first day, fits had a suspicion about what the shootings were actually for. I was giving a tour of the FBI, kind of just a real quick aside that data, some journalists and their partners, and we walk out in the CNN when they used to do news back then. They were covering the story as we're walking out the lobby, and the journalists, you know, fits. What's going on here? What's happening? I don't know, this is new to me too, but I've learned sometimes that when multiple people are killed, it's designed to hide the one target that is really the person who the shooter or the murder once the dead, and it turns out, and Jim and I can discuss that later, that's exactly what the case was here. Clemente has a phrase for how a killer is made. He says genetics loads the gun, personality aims it, and experience pulls the trigger. In Muhammad's case, the experience he points to is a custody fight. I would say his wife getting custody of the kids and keeping them away from him. I mean, he tried to hunt them down, he tried to hunt her down, in the end. His actual motive, in this case, was to shoot a number of other people, make it look like there's some wild crazed killer out there, and then shoot her as part of this, and then maybe shoot some more people and then disappear, but as a result, the children's mother would be dead and he felt he would get custody. That was his ultimate goal to win custody from her by killing her. Except Mildred will not be killed. Her best friend Issa's niece is murdered, but Muhammad never takes a shot at Mildred or her house on Quiet Brook Lane. Still, Muhammad has a plan, which is why he wanted Malville. He literally murdered people out of convenience. He murdered other people to try to cover his crime of intending to murder his wife. I'm going to make a master plan. I'm going to grab a kid out of a shelter and groom him and force him and victimize him into a position where he's going to help me because you always need a getaway driver. If you're going to be shooting from the back of a car, the country was still looking for a white van, and the woman these two profilers believe the sniper ultimately meant to kill is living on the other side of Washington from
the shootings in Clinton, Maryland, calling the police about a dark Chevrolet that kept parking within sight of her house. On the morning of October 11th, a woman getting a ride to work notices a dark car parked at the end of her cul-de-sac, two men in it. As they drive past the driver stares at the woman, his passenger raises a newspaper over his face. She calls 911 from her co-workers phone and reports a late model Caprice or Impala, New Jersey plates, two men inside. The officer promises to send someone. Days later, she learns that several of her neighbors have seen the same car, parked in different spots, always facing her house. Her name is Mildred Muhammad. Hers is not the only report that went nowhere. A week earlier, a woman is shot outside a Michael's craft store in Spatialvania County, Virginia. Jim Clementine and his brother Tim are not assigned to the shooting, but they drive out to it from home to help. We get there and I go to the sheriff and I said, uh, you know, were there any witnesses? And he said, no, nobody saw anything. And I said, look, this is by the mall. There's 3,000 cars here in the parking lot. Somebody saw something. He said, well, one 19 year old kid who's like a drug addict said, he saw a black guy in a in a dark sedan peeling out and he said, that's where the shot came from. And I said, great, did you put that out on an APB? He said, no, I put out the APB on the white van. Sunday morning, October 20th, three hours and 40 minutes after a ponderosa phone rang and rang in Ashland, Virginia with no one picking up. At 20 minutes to 10, a caller dials the FBI hotline from a convenience store enrichment. Don't talk. He says, just listen, call me God. I left a note at the back of the ponderosa. Be there for a call in 10 minutes. The people taking hotline calls have no idea about a ponderosa letter or what was in it. 10 minutes comes and goes with no contact. That night, chief moose who has now read the sniper's letter goes on television and does something no police chief wants to do. He answers to the person who left us a message at the ponderosa last night. You gave us a telephone number. We do want to talk to you. Call us at the number you provided. At 7.57 a.m. the phone rings. It's Lee Malvo. Malvo holds up a tape recorder to the receiver. The actual recording is garbled and distorted, but investigators eventually transcribed it, quote, "dearest police, call me God. Do not release to the press. Five red stars. You have our terms. They are non-negotiable. If you choose option one, you will hold a press conference stating to the media that you believe you have caught the sniper like a duck in a noose. Repeat every word exactly as you heard it. If you choose option two, be sure to remember he will not deviate. PS, your children are not safe." Malvo hangs up. 38 seconds. Within the hour, a tactical team takes down a white van at an Exxon station in Richmond, pulling two men onto the pavement in front of the cameras. One of the men inside had been using the payphone when Malvo's call came in. The men on the pavement are Mexican nationals who have nothing to do with any of it. The call to the ponderosa had come from a second payphone on the other side of that same gas station. Malvo and Muhammad escape. Malvo, leader to investigators, "I saw the Mexicans get stopped. I watched it, but I wasn't in the car." The task force played the 38 seconds over and over and over again. One agent thought the voice sounded Hispanic. Another guest Asian. One said it sounds like a kid. An ATF negotiator named Peter Mangan thought it sounded Caribbean, maybe Jamaican, he said, which is where Fitz had landed two weeks earlier off of four words on a tarot card. Mangan ran the phrase "Duck in a News" past a Jamaican-born ATF agent named Mark Peterkin, who had never heard the phrase in his life. Peterkin looked at him. There are no ducks in Jamaica. Tuesday, October 22nd, 555 in the morning, still dark, Aspen Hill, Maryland. Conrad Johnson is 35 and has driven a bus for 10 years. Everyone calls him CJ, 6'2", 250 pounds, shaved head, goatee, two diamond earrings. He has a trainee riding with him that morning. They had breakfast on the bus. The doors are open. Across the lot, there is a basketball court and past that, woods. Johnson kicks some trash out of the front door, comes back up the steps and sets his coffee down on the change box. He is standing in the doorway of his own bus with the lights on behind him. At 5.55am, a shot from the tree line. CJ is flown to suburban hospital in Bethesda. He is awake sitting up, but the round has destroyed most of his liver. He dies on the operating table at 9.26 that morning. That afternoon, 50 feet into the woods, a search line finds a Ziploc bag on a broken branch. Inside it, a second Ziploc bag. Inside that, a note with red stars on it. For you, Mr. Police, call me God. You did not respond to the message. You departed from what we told you to say and you departed from the time. Your incompetence has cost you another life. Moose had not done what the snipers requested. Hold a press conference saying he had caught the sniper like a duck in a noose. Now the snipers lay CJ's death at his feet. Late that afternoon, Moose walks out and reads the threat from the original ponderosa letter out loud. Word for word because the alternative is pretending he has not seen it. We recognize the concerns of the community and therefore are going to provide the exact language in the message that pertains to the threat. Your children are not safe anywhere at any time. Back inside headquarters, Moose tells one of his captains that was the hardest thing he's ever done. We're saying we can't do our job, he says. We're supposed to keep people safe and we can't. By the night of October 22nd, the two men in the FBI profile a room believe the person writing these notes may be young, may be black, may have some tide of the Caribbean, and may not be alone. They're getting closer, but still they don't have a name. There is something about the bus driver, Conrad Johnson, that does not come out for years. CJ was born in Jamaica. His mother came to the U.S. and left him behind with an aunt when he was just two years old. He joined his mom in America when he was about 10. His mother's name is Sonia Willes. She says Conrad was the kind of boy who brought other boys home. The ones he thought needed somewhere to be. He was a caretaker. In the midst of the shootings, there was a woman on his route who was frightened to get on the bus. He used to stop the bus, get off, walk her out from behind a tree and put her on board. Whenever he got to that spot, he would get off the bus and go get her. On behind a tree and a squirted to the bus, telling her, "Don't worry, you're safe with me. They have to get to me before they can get to you." The boy in the woods that morning, taking aim at CJ was 17, born in Jamaica, left behind by his mother, and raised by other people. Years later, Sonia Willes says to the social worker, working on Lee Malvo's defense. Only Malvo had looked my son in the face before he killed him. He would have seen the perfect father for whom he had been searching. Police still do not have a name. The clue that gives them one has been sitting in an evidence room in Alabama for a month. That's next time on MK Confidential.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The DC sniper attacks terrorized the Washington, DC area in October 2002, with the killers leaving cryptic communications for police.
A tarot card with "Call me God" was found after a shooting, followed by a detailed letter left at a Ponderosa Steakhouse in Ashland, Virginia, demanding $10 million and promising a phone call.
The FBI profilers, Jim Clemente and James Fitzgerald, debated the killer's profile—Clemente argued for a disciplined adult, while Fitzgerald suggested a younger, possibly Black male, based on linguistic clues.
A missed phone call at the Ponderosa payphone at 6 a.m. on October 20 was a critical failure, as the killers had tried to communicate directly with police.
The letter revealed Black vernacular English features, leading Fitzgerald to conclude the writer was likely a young Black male, a profile that conflicted with historical sniper cases.
The killers' motive was linked to Muhammad's custody dispute with his ex-wife Mildred Muhammad, planning to kill her amid the chaos.
A subsequent call to the FBI hotline led to a failed takedown of a white van, but the suspects escaped.
The shooting of bus driver Conrad Johnson, a Jamaican immigrant, highlighted a tragic parallel to the young shooter Lee Malvo, who was also Jamaican-born and abandoned by his mother.
The case eventually identified John Allen Muhammad and Lee Malvo, with Malvo later revealing he was sexually abused by Muhammad.
Summary:
The transcription recounts the chilling events of the 2002 DC sniper attacks, focusing on the investigative efforts of FBI profilers Jim Clemente and James Fitzgerald. The killers, later identified as John Allen Muhammad and Lee Malvo, terrorized the region with random shootings, leaving cryptic notes to taunt police. m.
phone call. A critical failure occurred when the payphone rang at the locked restaurant, but no one answered, missing a chance to engage the killers. Fitzgerald's linguistic analysis of the letter revealed Black vernacular English features, suggesting a young Black male, a profile that contradicted historical sniper patterns and led to heated debates within the FBI.
The profilers eventually theorized a two-person team, with Muhammad as the older, controlling figure and Malvo as the younger, groomed accomplice. The motive was tied to Muhammad's custody dispute, as he planned to kill his ex-wife amid the chaos. The case culminated in the tragic shooting of Conrad Johnson, a Jamaican-born bus driver, whose life paralleled Malvo's own background of abandonment.
Despite missed opportunities, the investigation ultimately identified the duo, with Malvo later disclosing Muhammad's abuse, validating the profilers' early guesses about the killers' dynamic.
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The tarot card, known as the death card, was found after a shooting and had handwritten messages, including 'Call me God' and 'For you, Mr. Police.' It was the first communication from the snipers to police.
Jim Clemente believed the sniper was a disciplined, older adult trained in police or military tactics, while James Fitzgerald saw youthful influences in the writing, suggesting a younger person. They eventually concluded it might be a two-person team.
The snipers planned to call a public phone at the Ponderosa at 6 a.m., but no one answered the call because the building was locked and it wasn't the FBI's crime scene. The call was missed, and the letter detailing the plan was only read later that day.
The snipers demanded $10 million placed into a Bank of America account. They also threatened to continue killing if their demands were not met, stating, 'Prepare your body bags.'
Forensic linguist James Fitzgerald noticed missing 's' endings on plural words like 'negotiation' and 'dollar,' which are features of Black vernacular English. This led him to suggest the writer was likely a Black male.
The profilers believed the main target was Mildred Muhammad, the ex-wife of John Allen Muhammad. The shootings were designed to cover up the intended murder of her so that Muhammad could gain custody of their children.
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