Today, we're sitting down with William Shadner. Since August, he's put out an album with Brad Paisley, started a heavy metal band and finished a book of poems about living and dying. He's 95, by the way. His new album opens with a song called Masks, about the ones we all wear. That's where we started and that's where he kept going. The stage for Cancer, he and his daughter fought at the same time, a man and silver in the Mojave Desert, and why he wants to be buried under a tree. I made it almost the whole hour without saying the word "curk." When I finally asked about his last line in Generations, Bill would somewhere, not in see coming. "Bill? He let you cool and Bill? Uh, you, you and, did your dream come true? Did he say anything about me? Uh, did he smell like leather and price line?" Settle down. "Oh my God. Oh my God." This one's shorter than usual. He had to get home to his dogs, but I could have talked to him for hours. After a conversation, I'll come back and break down the talk. Let's go down to those basement. A few weeks ago, you had to do Riot Fest in Chicago. I know. Um, in front of the crowd, it's cold, it's rainy. Thousands of people in the rain in Chicago. Screaming. Screaming. Take me to the wings, though. What's going in your ear before you step out? So either was here at home, I worked very hard for months because heavy metal music, like a symphony orchestra, doesn't have the, the non-usition, doesn't know the count of when you come in, when you come in, when you go out essentially, oh, say, can you see, oh, I recognize that. Oh, say, can you see? But people like me don't know where to, you know, come in and get a knot. A couple of days ago, I was on a late night television doing one of the songs for my, my album and, and Brad Paisley was the musician. So there was a gap between, so Brad said, I'll nod you in and he's wearing a cowboy hat, okay? So he says, I'll nod you in. I'll nod you in. It's good. Come in. And then you'll be getting. He's holding a ball. It was a struggle. I'll take that nod. And the same with Chicago. I worked very hard of when to come in, when to wait for the brilliant musicians. The name of the album is, what the F is heavy metal, which is what I said when they album, when the label said, why don't we do a heavy metal and I said, what the F is heavy metal? That's a good title for the album, so that'll be out in the wintertime. In the meantime, there's all kinds of things out there now. Books and albums and, oh my God. I'm going to get to the list. Yeah, I know. I'm sure you will. But what I'm saying is it requires a lot of talking, and I can't remember, what was the name of that album? And so, yes, love and other mysteries, no, love and other is the Brad Paisley album. The heavy metal album, three songs that Robert Shernoy and I wrote, and three cover songs, six songs, a half hour. They call it a set. Did you know that? Yes. I didn't know that. You did a set. I did a set. And so, 30 minutes in heavy metal festival, one of the big ones, and thousands of people in a Mosh pit, and I said, it's raining. When we got to the thing, I said to the venue, I said, well, anybody be there, it's like, no, they'll be there. They expect rain. Right. Rain is hard on the egg. The heavy metal. Oh my Lord, there was such an experience. It was beyond anything I've ever experienced before. As a result, maybe not quite as a result. Most of the time, you grab whatever nicotine pouches available, and assume they're all the same. Then one feels different, and you realize how low the bar was. For me, that was Lucy Breakers. There are levels to the pouch game. It's like flying first class for the first time. I was fine in economy until I saw the upgrade. Now I'm ruined by the cheap seats. The big difference is flavor. Normal pouches go bland after about 15 minutes. Breakers have bite and burst built in. Bite down, get a satisfying click, and the capsule releases flavor and hydration. And it keeps going for hours. Apple turns crisp, mint doubles down. Apple ice, mint, espresso, mango, whatever fits the moment. Whether that's at work, at the gym, or after a few beers with friends. Lucy didn't just slap a logo on a generic pouch. They use pharmaceutical grade nicotine and MCT oil for a more comfortable feel. Made in the USA, always 100% tobacco free, over 100,000 happy customers. For a limited time, our customers get 20% off their first order by using code basement at lucy.com. That's code
[email protected]. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support the show until we send you. And here comes the fine print. Warning, this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addicted chemical. That's why I love it. When they announced it, that I'm going to do a heavy metal, 50 of the best Brian, Brian May, Brian May, aka the astrophysicist, exactly, an aka the great, the guitarist on queen. He's playing on your record, right? He's playing on a number that Robert and I wrote called rage, rage against the dying of the light. So the numbers we wrote, and the three numbers I did at Riot Fest, those three numbers that we wrote are part of a legacy we've given ourselves of five or six albums of numbers that Robert and I wrote, based on autobiographical material. Leaving Montreal to go to Toronto, leaving court, I've graduated university. This is a note I've got to follow right now. There's this cake for me, somebody's fine. Actually, it's just no time to die, launch, love another mystery. Oh, that's my beautiful assistant, Joe, wisdom, another word, he says the name of the book I'm about to tell you about. We wrote, Rob and I wrote five, five of the songs in the heavy metal album and the rest six or seven or eight are cover songs. We did three of the songs, we wrote them three of the cover songs for Riot Fest, and then went very well. What about impatience? Did you do that one? Or is that going to be in the record? That's interesting. So we're assembling, what are we writing, we're going to continue writing of my life's experience, but in that passion, rage against the dying of the light, what will they do when the sky turns black, what about the planet? So does that passion, maddening, what will they do? So Brian May saw the lyric to rage, and he does essentially a solo, and it's brutal. So one of the songs that we wrote as Brian May, maybe the greatest guitar, maybe, there are a couple of others, Brad Paisley himself, who accompanies me in this album, "Love Another Mystery," Taylor Goetzman, do you know that name? Virtuoso guitarist, a two virtuoso guitarist on my album, including Brad's band, who were filled with brilliant musicians. So "Love Another Mysteries," which I did on the late night show, is wonderful, and I did a song that we wrote called "Masks," we all wear masks, you may wear a mask to your wife, you wear a mask to your girlfriend, you wear a mask to your child, to your mother, your father, we're all wearing different masks. And is that anything, any different than I as an actor, wear a mask? What does it ask you about that? Because you said you're afraid to go out without your mask. The last line of the song is, "I'll never go out without a mask." Well you inadvertently wear a mask, I'm wearing a mask right from now on, yeah, we all, because that's again part of the lyric, is we never know what we're going to do, what we're going to say and do, so you have to have the brother, brother, that's as you see, you know, or the lover or the child, hi daddy, hi mom, and it's different voice, different attitude, different needs. It's not dishonest, is it? What? dishonest? dishonest. Well, what is your true self? I don't know. We don't know our true self, we hide, we don't know what our true, you know, you guys, I can kill that guy, but you don't mean I can kill that guy, you know, he just cut me off, I can road rage. Well road rage, some people take it out and come and shoot you because you cut them off, he thinks. [BLANK_AUDIO]
You know, you reached for the radio or something. You didn't mean to cut 'em off, maybe, or you did cut 'em off, but you get a sense of ownership of the road, and now you've intruded on a guy who's really sick on his property. That's my road, that's my square footage, and they take their gun out and shoot you. Well, that's a mask. That road rage is a mask. It happens to be the one that's disguising that rage that's internal, that fire that's in you all the time, giving you a cup of coffee now, or don't hit me, you know, or I'll kill you. I mean, that rage that is in all of us to one degree or another is a mask. - Yes. - Do you have a mask as a lover? - Sure, of course you do. So is that part of you? And it means a really good question. - It is. - And are there masks that we can put away that we're not proud of? - Put them, yes. I mean, I got behind, I was coming here through the torturous roads in the hills up here, and I was behind a car that stopped and every, you don't stop at every stop sign from God, I'd say, you tripped through, right? This person stopped and looked around. I got to get here and looked around. Okay, there's nothing there. The wind is blowing through the fizzles, you know? And slowly they take out a crumb on already. Road rage, but I didn't take out a gun and shoot the lady. But I've put it away to be awful with you. - Yeah. - Let's get to the pile. - The pile? - The pile, 'cause it's absurd. We get the record, Brad Paisley, in August. - Okay, so the pile, the pile, the pile of stuff. So, it's a pile. - Brad Paisley is a brilliant musician and a brilliant songwriter and as a great group of musicians and he also brought in Tama Ghosts Matthews, equally brilliant. - Real is one of your best songs ever. - Real. - Real. - It's one of them. I quoted it a lot because of my fans. - Do you, have you heard of the album? - It's one of my favorite of all time. It really is, I swear to God, I'm on record. - You're like the beginning of the first notices are coming in, like you are the, like one of the first notices. - It is brilliant. - It is, it is brilliant. It's a work of art, both by the musicians and by Robert Turner and by me. It's a work of love, it's deep. - I mean, even masks, which is so delightful to light and ends with, I'd never go out without a mask. I deliberately make it light. - Has been was very personal. - But it's very personal. - And the whole, it's personal, which blends into wisdom and worries, which is about to come out now. Wisdom and worries is in the malgamation of all the lyrics of five albums, 60 numbers, and 12, 12, 13 numbers that we wrote for each album, Robert and I. So there's 60 songs all fashioned as best we could with poetry and meaning. I've got a full theater at the Apollo Theater in London. I'm on tour, I'm gonna talk, I'm gonna do, hopefully amused. An amaze at the Apollo, the legendary Apollo Theater, 35 hundred people are waiting for me. I get in Sunday night, I go to sleep Monday morning 'cause I got the Monday night performance. Monday morning, mid morning, I get up at turn on the television set and the prime minister is saying, no more than 10 people can collect because it's COVID. I said, 10 people, 30, what's going on here? Car comes to me, takes me to the theater, I'm dead now, behind the curtain, I think, is there anybody out there? I hear a little murmur, but the thick curtain. Is there anybody out there? The curtain was up, 35 hundred people stayed. And all of us, because there was this instantaneous declaration of love, I haven't gonna stay here and see you, Shatton, or even though I might get COVID. - We needed it, people needed that. Like, we're not going anywhere. - We're not going anywhere. 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Wow, that was validation of something I felt deeply. But then you think, "Did I really feel it?" Is there any validation for you to have fought that way in somebody validated? Somebody stepped mine. - It's so funny that that's part of the actor personality. You can never shake it, that little insecurity. - You're always expecting the president of show business to say, "I'm here, give me your car, yes." - Yes, you're a wonderful woman. - Yes, right. And that drives you to two, three hours a day here or at home, playing a scratch track of the numbers and willing it, and they're sick and tired. No, I had to count, I had to be, I had to hear, I had to, so that I would be ready for that one performance in Chicago, which resulted in an offer from Australia to go on tour on Australia to perform in Florida and to be on this tour that heavy metal tour boat that they have crews that they have. So just pop, I've suddenly become a heavy metal thing. And I, just one more thing, right? Understand heavy metal as a result of my association, heavy metal, I had to go to understand heavy metal. - So you know what the effort is now? - What the effort is now? - You know that? - Yes, it's frenzy, folly, and fruitful. (laughing) Yes, I understand what the effort is, because it's life, it's passion, it's noise, it's there, and your heart, you can't help it, but the beat of the music raises the heartbeat, and suddenly you're flush with something, success or failure or road rage, one or the other, but you're there because the beat of the music. And those guitars that wail, they wail. We've got two virtuoso guitars in, that I tell you the group that I work with now is called The Eucharist Astoric. - Yes. - The great brilliant musicians there. I've been blessed, I mean, I've been working a lot in the last several years. - Yes, you have. - But I've never worked so hard as in this period of time. So as I fade physically and exist as a, I say, I'm not allowed to. - No, you're checking, I'm back in there, you're on tour. I don't know, I just want to be with my dogs. No, you've got to go out, and I'm going to Midwest in a couple of weeks, to tour five cities in the Midwest. - That's the Radicon. - Radicon. - What is that? - You play this wonderful film, it's been refurbished. So in this tour, I'm going to five or six cities in the Midwest. - To watch the film with everybody. - You watch the film. - Wow. - And they like to come out afterwards, and I'm using them as. - The great line, the great line, the scream of Khan. - Yeah. - Classic. - Yeah. - What's the lion in the wall? Is that something from Bipa, isn't it? - From Bipa? Where did you get, where, how did you know that? - Don't worry about what I know. I don't know.
I'm not worried. I'm not worried. I'm curious as to how you would penetrate the secret of life of my family because my first daughter, Lesley, was born. She would use what everybody calls a "blinky," right? There's six months old. In this case, it's a diaper and she's sucking on a clean diaper. And the diapers that need to get out and give it back to them. Yeah, it's a game. Gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, guy, guy, gun, gun, it's a gaga. It's a gaga. It's a gaga. So now my daughter has children and the children get hurt in the crib and it's not gun. It's really grandpa, grandpa, grandpa, grandpa, it's a beapah. So now grandpa becomes beapah and the two boys, two grandchildren, it's beapah. So that whole family, that whole end of the family, branched part of the family, all called me beapah. Forever now. It's awkward. Why? Well, because the mask you're wearing is beapah. Is that your beapah mask? Here's grandpa. Okay, here's beapah. So even he, Grant, who's in his 30s, and is so successful, my grandchild says, hey, beapah, what about, I'm like, oh, shit, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to correct him. Don't. He loves it. No, but it's a little kid. So how do you know? Because I was drawn to it because it has been, has that track, that's me trying, which is very, very hard to listen to. It's beautiful. But and so much of your work after that, especially boldly go, was all about family. And that's me trying. Was it that this father was disconnected? And she's right in the same town. Maybe you can read a book together, called Mountain. Maybe that's too long. I mean, it's beautiful. Yeah. But and then everything becomes about family for you after that. Wow. You see, long ago, and I don't remember consciously making, but I must have something, conscious must have happened. I don't remember what it was. Everything an actor does should be from here. Even if you've got the mask of an English killer or something, you know, it's got to come from here. It can't be facile. That truth that permeates you as an actor, has to be there. Otherwise, you're playing and acting. And you see all these actors doing that. They're acting and acting. Well, it's fine. It gets you by most people. But the reality is your heart, your soul has got to be in whatever, your soul's got to be in this interview. Otherwise, it's just, you know, yeah, I had the eggs for breakfast. It's authenticity. People can feel it. It's not only authenticity, which is, I agree with you, but it's also, what is real to you? It is authentic, but what is emotionally real to you? And that's got to be there, that emotional reality. Even though it's affected by the character you're playing, it's got to be real. So you've got to understand the character you're playing to make that real. So, Robert, my co-writer on these lyrics, assembled five albums of lyrics. And they're all, it's autobiographical book. It's called Wisdom and Worries. Wisdom and Worries. And it's autobiographical poetry that's been set to music, but the music isn't in the book. The beauty is in these confessions I make to you, the audience, my audience, to buy the book and see things that you will recognize, because I'm exactly the same as you are, that the things I write about, I'm leaving home. I've graduated university. I want to be an actor. I've been an actor for, since I was six in Montreal, but now the professional world is calling. I had luck. I was in the summer theater. The manager of the summer theater is managing a professional theater in Ottawa. And I have graduated that year with a bachelor of commerce, business administration, whatever you call it here. So I have a degree in business. I failed everything in school, okay, a business. But I took, I wrote and directed the college musicals for three years. I acted, directed, wrote. I was in radio. I was in, I was a professional actor while going to school. And then summer theater. And I've then, the summer theater manager says, hey, let's some bill. I said, can I come to Ottawa with you and be a part of the act. He says, now we're filled up in the auto acting. But I tell you, I do need an assistant manager. I said, well, I got a business degree. He said, great. You come to Ottawa. I will pay you $33 or something. I think it was exactly that. I had to go without eating if I was going to do the laundry. And we'll pay. So I proceeded to be as careless about it being as assistant managers. I was about my marks for business. I barely passed anything. Did they name a building after you? I was like, they're, they're here. They failed everything. I got a degree. I think the building still carries my name. At least the last time I looked. So I screw up being an assistant manager in Ottawa. How do you screw that up? I lose tickets. I find money. I mean, the lifeblood of the theater. I believe. I slash the arteries of the theater. And they say, where is the $50? So they said, we bill. It's not working out. But would you like to be a member of the acting company? Because I was a good actor. Yes, yes. I became a member of the professional, one of one or two professional acting companies in Canada. I did a play a week. So you open on a Monday or Tuesday, play till Saturday night. Sunday, you would get rid of the set or refurbish the set for the next plate opening Monday, Tuesday, Tuesday evening. And I did that for years, three or four years as a result of being in that company of professional actors. An event happened in Canada where they opened up Stratford, Ontario, classical acting company. And some of the great, the greats of England came to manage and direct the theater. And they asked me to come in. And I came in. I stayed three years playing Shakespeare and ended up that Stratford, Ontario took a play by Marlowe to New York. And I had a good part in New York. And they noticed me. And the agents came tracking. And I got an agent. And then I was in New York. And I started my career in the state as a result of stumbling around. Didn't you have to pass on Stratford for a couple of years because you had commitments to Ottawa? I was at Stratford for three years. That's what you asked for. No time but now with Melody. So one day, I go, you know, every six months or a year, go to the doctor. Yeah, you're helping. So one day I say, you know, I took up this month here. Let me see. You know, you got a block salivary gland. It's like a urinary tract where you get a stone, you get a little pebble in your salad massage. You should just massage it. So for a month, massage. It's getting bigger. So in my ignorance, I go to another doctor. Yes. Let's get that out right now. Like within two or three days, they had me in the surgeon. And I just happened again, my life of blundering in the universe taking care of me. Blundered into a great doctor. And the doctors will take that out of my brother. But I ain't got a guy I'm bringing up. Bring your guy in with it. And they take out the slump. And they take it out of my brother. Loma. So for two years, I was infused. Why didn't you tell anyone? Because you said I'm doing this, this podcast with my daughter who had about the same time a voice said, what is that you're feeling, man? She said, well, it's just a lump. And the voice in her said, you better get that check to get to check woman waving the wand for her breast cancer thing. No, you're fine. And she starts to lead Melanie. And she said to me, the voice said, field out again. So she swayed there. Well, she goes back to the nurse who waved the wand, the X-ray. No, would you take a look at that? No, you're not. Would you take it? She takes it and under the nurse's breath, Melanie hears. I would have missed that. Oh, stage four breast cancer. So look, something quiet happened this week that most people missed. 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Go to yfiles lovesgoal.com and get the free 2026 info kit or text files to 638257. Yfiles lovesgoal.com or text files to 638257. Because when they clicked switch, I was going to, well, cut it. About the same time. So she had the raise and the x-rays and all the harmful stuff. I just got poisoned. What do you call it? The x-rays, where they assault you with the x-rays. So Melanie, who's young, the understarters, could have died, got my own show. I never thought of dying or what not. And she becomes not hysterical, but overwhelmed by the thought of dying. And me, I'm thinking, no, they're not going to die. They're going to take that. I'm blundering. Like, yeah, I'll take that job. No, I'll go there and go there. I'll sit behind this desk and look important. I don't think those things out. Those things out. Any more than I plan on parking in front of a busy restaurant, but invariably, as I pull up somebody's pulling out of them. Oh, thank you. I mean, it's just like the universe is taking care of these. You got stage four cancer. That's okay. You know, I'm sure it'll be fine. And it was. It is. Well, what about Melanie, though? She's not walking through the raindrops. She's terrifying. No, she's terrified. And that, what's the, that terror lends itself to daddy. I need you. And daddy says, I'm here. And this, we were very close family. And I was divorced when they were very young. So I was there all the time, weekends. I had them every weekend. So we had, you know, they went to school and got, did their homework, went to sleep at the weekend. There's daddy and we go off on adventures where I, I deliberately broke as I was planned to go somewhere to the beach. Got it then. Got to get a dog. And had meaningful times with my three daughters, my youngest daughter. Melanie is three or four years old. Calls over my lap. I drive up to their home that I'm paying a large sum of money for. And I don't resent it because I want them there. But I'm living on a mattress. And she curls over and she tells the story. Now, I curl over the lap and I get an open the door. And I'm thinking, Melanie says, I'm thinking daddy's going to say, don't go. And I'm thinking, God, I wonder if I told her, don't go. She gets out of the car and she goes up on the balcony. It makes me think, to think about what she told me makes, makes me weak. And she says, so she gets on the porch of her house because of the stairs, the three girls. Bye, honey. Bye. I drive off and I'm crying because I'm leaving my child, children. And they're crying. And Melanie says, every time you left us, I thought you'd turn around and come back. And I said, every time I left you, I thought I'll turn around and come back. And that was our life. That's how close we were. All of us. We were despite the, I've never said this, the mental illness of my wife, despite it. She had a chemical imbalance that we didn't know about in those days. Years later, after the divorce and after the children had grown, they discovered, oh, right, there's a chemical imbalance thing that we, that affects your mind. And so if you take whatever the drugs were, you kind of get a cure. And that's what happened. But Melanie, the youngest, was the most moved. And so getting cancer with her daddy and her daddy putting his arms around her like you wanted to on that balcony. And said, it's gonna be all right, honey. You're gonna be fine. And she is fine. She is. Brought us closer than it was possible to think of because we were already close. And, and, and now I see her the way she prepares for the podcast and reads the, as knows the books that the people are, I guess, I read the praise. You know, she wrangles you on there. She, she wrangles me. And I follow her lead. Where you think Melanie? You had, you had Zika Mountain along this week. That was a heavy hitter. I'm telling you, man. Right. There are some really cool stuff going on in that, no time, but now, which is, which is young, but you're 10, 11, 12, and you're being there. Why is the sky blue? You start asking those questions. It's 60, 70 years old. You think, I don't care if the sky's blue. What a, how, how can I take my next step? In that intervening time, you're conscious about your awareness of the mystery of life and the quality of a leaf and what's inside here. And that, that is your human life, those 50 years of awareness. That's where your curiosity and your life force is. You know, 50 years, I can attest, I'm an expert on the passage of 50 years. Okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Right. What did you learn about her that you didn't know? What did I learn? What? What did you learn about Melanie that you didn't know in doing the show? I am struck dumb by her organization, by her, her concentration and focus, how prepared she is. She ran one of, if not the most popular, not ran. She owned and ran women's store here in, in on this street that's here, where we're shooting. So people from all of them, Beverly Hill, from all over would come to her woman's store to get what Melanie had chosen to show in her store. She ran it for years. And then finally, you know, her children, and then she sold the store to these girl employees that she had who bought the girls who I think were sisters, certainly related. Their father bought the store for them. Here's sweetheart, here's the store, and they ran it into the ground. Because Melanie had the taste and the perspacacity and the engine, which she's showing now in this podcast. I'm looking, I can't believe her questions and her knowledge and, and I'm seeing my daughter as not only a great daughter, but a relevant human being who ran, who guided that store, that person who looked into fashion and, and went to New York and got this clothes and brought them in and did the advertising. And that's my daughter. Does she ever call you up and say, Dad, can you read the book? Zika's coming on. Can you read it? Because I've got to do you. And people of your age. I don't have time. I have time to do research on chat G.B.T. I'm consumed by research and chat G.B.T. for example, Bye ladies.
research and I haven't finished it yet just starting, is on the Mongols. On the Mongols? So I became, because here's the relationship. I thought you were researching Keats, Mongols. I did. I know. But that's gone. I learned as much as I could. Now the Mongols, because a lot of the scientists of today are Asian, many of them Chinese, of Chinese extraction. So there's a wonderful man who owns the Los Angeles Times and is a cancer doctor who's in the forefront of research, has a research facility near the airport. And is into objective reporting. So Melanie, you all about him, and our producer, Amy, the collection is there. It just goes a little slower. You went inside, man. But now it goes tick, tick, tick, tick. So I'm waiting for the last two. For Beth. Beth, our producer, who's great. She's buttoned. So Beth discovered this wonderful man who owns, and is in the forefront of research. So Melanie had read his books. So now we've got this individual who has done our podcast, his brilliant. And we did his podcast at the Los Angeles Times, which has a studio in it, and he's brilliant. And he's talking about, why did I bring that up? He's talking about cancer and the potential for the cure for cancer. Doctors are many varied, so the cure for one cancer isn't the cure for the next cancer. They're separate. You can cure that one, but that one's still very lit. Melanoma apparently is the most very lit. I didn't know that. I mean, I could have died, you know, or I will die because it pops up, but he has some of the answers. And the answers, we interviewed another lady, whose name I can never remember, but Melanie who's got a stint, oh, I remember the story that targets the cells, right? What? That targets the cells. It's electrified. So you got it in the vein. So eventually your blood goes through it. And because the cancer cell is engorged and larger than the other cells, this, this stint, which is electrified, it's programmed to zap any large cell. What's the future of that? So we're discovering all these things. So it isn't just cancer and the cures for cancer and the excitement of being an adventurer in the forefront of cancer. It's no time but now to live your life. It was a time to do something, to study the Mongols because the Mongols, in a hundred years, they were a tenor in herders in north of China. And in a hundred years, they swept across the world and had the largest empire of anybody, bigger than the Romans, bigger than, and they guided China who then divided into all those marvelous spheres of influence. The hands, for example, the guy who owns the scientist, who owns the Los Angeles Times, is from the province of Han, which at one time was the largest, what do you call him? Empire, Chinese thing. So he's proudly a Han. I mean, so the Mongols guided, all started the profusion of civilization in its various forms in China. China is the country of the most worthy of respect, other than Persia, which, and there are enemies. I mean, it just doesn't, it isn't right. It isn't right. It isn't right, these ancient civilizations who carried humanity and the human efforts at living in their hands. They gave us all this history, and we're at war with them in one shape or another. It's too bad. It is. And maybe it will disappear when we learn that we're killing each other, we're killing each other, and spinosa talks about the unity of nature that we're all one. This is Borg spinosa, spinosa the philosopher, 1500 says it's all one. We're all the building blocks of the universe of the cosmos, a 600 years later. I think a scientist a few years ago says, you know, there's this thing called quantum physics. And there are some of the weirdest laws of nature in the study of quantum, which is the study of the gift of the atom and the intricacies of the atom. That's totally different from the science of the, of the large of those rules don't apply. Don't apply. But they do. Because how could it be different? You know, John Wheeler had the same view about consciousness than spinosa did. I don't know John Wheeler. John Wheeler was a famous physicist. He invented the coin that turned the black hole. I thought that was hockey. Nope. I know hockey had the theory. He had the theory. Wheeler was first. Wheeler was the, was the double slit experiment, the delayed choice experiment. It was the double slit. Yes. So you understand all of that. That's great. So that examination. So here's the dilemma. Here's the dilemma. Mixing this into my morning coffee is about as simple as habits get. Now with fall here, that small habit matters more than you think. Cold and flu seasons right around the corner. 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All I know is, I'm studying the Mongols now. What turned it on to it? What made you go? I had read somewhere about the hands, H-A-N-S, and my scientist friend says, "Well, my family comes from the Han. We are Han." He says with pride. He's Americanized totally. I mean, he's here before he was a teenager. So I read up at the hands. The hands were like the, like the Pope. They were the knowledgeable. They were the. the keepers of the civilization, they spread the word, the hands. They were in the, I think, the southwest, they had a huge hunk of land, the hands. And so, even though various dynasties, as the word, various dynasties took over and the hands were, and then weren't, they remained in the scribes, if you will. So, the hands have an elite position in China. Anyway, that's my curiosity. What did, um, have we covered everything I wanted to cover? Wait a minute, wait a minute. Are you have a list? Oh, I got a little list here. Where's it been? Where is the metal album? The unexplained is a wonderful show. I love, it's one of my favorite shows. I'm so glad. Are you sucking up? Are you wearing a mask? I'm on the show, I'm on the show, Bill. It is. No, no, it's a wonderful show. It's a wonderful show, and it's getting more and more wonderful as the writers. Well, we plateaued, haven't we? No, no, no, no. I'll tell you why we haven't plateaued. Because, for example, unexplained. So, we go, yeah, it was unexplained. That's a car coming down. We don't know how the car goes. What about sound? And it's effective medically. We can't explain it, but somehow sound and the ancients built caves with reflecting sound, and there's metallic things that give off sound that may be useful in your health, that people 500,000 years ago knew and we don't know now. You know, the great pyramid vibrates in an F-sharp. And the F-sharp? I don't didn't know that. I know that the great pyramid has so many mysteries about it that we haven't discovered a paper like that can fit between the rocks, and we can't do it now. Right. And hidden chambers that we're discovering using Lydar, using radar rays going in. My god, there's a hotspot there. What is that? We're discovering mysteries that 5,000 years ago were perpetrated. And my show, the unexplained, which you can find anywhere. It shows like that are shown, including the, whatever, what's the network? History. The History Channel. It's filled with mystery. That's a great show. And it isn't. I think there are, you know, flying aliens coming down. It isn't aliens, man. That reminds me of something. We'll get back to unexplained. Tell me what happened in Mojave in 1967 with the motorcycle and there was a story that you said you couldn't get rid of. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. So I became a motorcycle aficionado, dirt pipes. So years ago in this area, in the Los Angeles area, not far 30 miles outside, you could go up into the, into the dried mountains where there was that much of bush or you avoided the bush on trail bikes, which were high spinning engines so that you could have a lot of power to go up the hill. And I fell in love with it and went out with groups every, every weekend on a Saturday, put the bikes on a truck, go out to, to Palmdale out there 40, 50 miles, dried the mountains. Also in those mountains, prospectors in days year would walk around looking for gold or, or whatever they were looking for. And they would dig a, a trench, usually three feet wide, six feet wide. Is that a grave? I don't know whether they lay in it, but they were looking for something. Well, nothing here. And they go on another mile and dig another grave, okay? Right. So now you got these bikes, these, you know, crazy people like me, seeing them lift the, the front of the bike up so that that rear wheel goes out again, you climb them and it's thrilling. You fall off and you've got helmets and, right, and you're young and you get up and you get back on. And I'm doing start trick. I come in, oh shit. What did you do? I mean, you can't go there anymore. Paramount, you, you're built, you're off of morning, right? Okay. And I go riding with the lawyers and agents of the networks, of the, of the studios, they with the same guys who said, you got a contract saying you can't ride a motorcycle, you can't jeopardize yourself. Right. I'll see you Bob. I'll see you, I'll see you in the truck. So I'm riding a line of the boom. And my bike falls into one of those trenches. And I'm buried. And there is a, a ruling, understood ruling. Then when you're riding in a group, you keep your eye on the guy behind you. So the guy behind you, them, I know you. And then the second guy's got his eye on the guy in front. So everybody's taking care of each other. The son of a gun who was in front of me didn't. I'm lying in the grave by bike on top of me. They disappear into the vast hell of the sonoran desert, or whatever it does that is. I get up. And I've got leather sauce and a helmet and leather gloves to protect me from this very thing. And it did. So now I've got heavy leather's in 90 to 100 degree suns overhead. And I'm thinking, should I take my leather's off and dive sunburn? Right. Or do I keep my leather's on and die of this heat prostration prostration? I don't know what to do. But the first thing I got it to is get my bike out of the hole. The bike's 100 to 150 pound. And you're straight. I finally were going to get it up and it won't start. So I'm in the middle of the desert in my leather's. I'm kind of knocked around. So I'm not thinking right anyway. I don't know whether to take the leather jackets and the helmet off of the thing or to stay the way I am. And I look up and I see a guy in silver over the ridge there. And he goes. And I push the bike. And I push the bike. He keeps going. Like he's falling. What about a half an hour? I'm pushing the bike in the sand with the leather's on 100 degrees in the desert. And then I come to a road. And I get on the bike and I push the bike and jump on the seat and a coast about a mile. And there's a gasoline station. The guy says, oh, the wire or the thing, right? Bike starts. I never saw that guy again. That guy was very mysterious. That guy didn't have wings, but he was dressed in silver. Thigh of Morgana. I thought I'm Morgana. Maybe, no, it was too real. And there was an astronaut. I've forgotten his name Marshall Magellan, who was very, very spiritual. His journeys as an astronaut were filled with the mystique of spiritualism. I mean, space, the voyage into space for him, meant more than just an adventurous an astronaut. He was very religious and it was part of reaching for God so that his mission had a religious overtone that many of the other guys didn't have. They're all scientists. But I was told by a great scientist just recently that the magic, the intricacy of a cell forming an envelope, forming what they call it, there's a name for it, forming the container that contains a cell so that a cell is as a memory. To form a membrane around a cell is so intricate that it couldn't have been evolved evolution. It had to be ordered. That's the scientist said. The magic of a cell is so profound. There's no way it could evolve from the primordial soup that was there with all the building blocks and all the chemicals. And I was struck by that because the word God defines too much. It doesn't allow, God bless you, my son, into the pearly gates, you know, keep the good book. It's so beyond our ability to encompass how all this started and what it is.
is. I don't know. I don't know. That's this papyrus. Right. Right. But it's 5,000 years later, we got chewed up wood. And how what are we? This is mankind's answer. It doesn't matter AI at all. You got this. This is communication to everybody in the world. And maybe in the universe given the Starlink will eventually be let's us. The miracle of existence is not can't be contained in the Word of God. It has to be so much bigger and larger. It is so much bigger and larger and mysterious. And that's what I would argue with my science friend who says God ordered it. I heard you argue politely with Melanie last week where she felt like consciousness continues. Yeah. And you said no. We go back to. Well, I don't. I didn't say no. I if I said no, I was I was an error. Nobody knows. Right. You can't say no. You can only honor the person. Well, I hope you're right. I hope you're right. But I don't think there's any question that when we die. And by the way, wrote a song. I want to be a tree. So my most of my family is ascribed to my desire to take my molded body because they have to mold her it and place it beside a tree that we've already chosen and help nourish that tree. Little plaque with him. Shatner and other members of the family who chose their own tree, by the way. And you help nourish that tree and you're growing tree and you bring whatever the lyrics of the song about. I want to be a tree is you come under my shade shade. That'll be enough for me. That's my view of what happens. You go out and you rejoin. Cosmos. Does Bill continue at all? No, Bill is this guy wears masks. I think you're right. I think we come here. We learn. We learn. We do. We tell we have there 50 years. You die slowly. You're die abruptly unexplained. You love unexplained. That show on TV Bill. Best show. You have the contributors or top shelf. You know, I've got exactly what you're talking about because that's honorable. I mean, I think it is too. And I think, well, you're living in a, you know, of course you would think so. But if somebody else says, wow, that validates you. It's a terrific show. And the show I just did about sound and the healing of sound, the mystery, the healing of sound. Come on. It's, I'm shooting my segments next week. I'm looking forward to it. You cold read your parts. Yeah. Absolutely. You ever come across something that you're like, this is bullshit. What is this guys? Because I have when they have me the paper. No, no, I don't, I don't think it, I think if somebody, if somebody's giving an honest answer, I know a lot of people who said, I saw a spaceship. Yeah. It's bullshit. I don't know if it was a spaceship. Why didn't they land before he paves over the lawn at the White House? And it's this land on the White House lawn and say, we're here from Vulcan there, whatever. And we'd like to talk to you about, you know, about what you're doing. And about the Mongols, we come very message about the Mongols. Why aren't they, if, so Thatham Organa is got to be an answer to a lot of it. I think so. Yeah. And Thatham Organa is a song. And Thatham Organa then is, are you an illusion? Do you really love me or do that love? It becomes a love song. That's not the Brad Paisley album, I think. Is it on the Brad Paisley album? Yeah. I think it's the last track on there. In generations, you had that great ad lib with Kirk Thatham. Oh, my, and you said you'd love to do one more take. Yeah. You don't. I did it. I did it on a talk show. I forgot who it was. Well, let's do another take whatever ad lib. How do you want to do it? Well, no. So this character dies. You know, at that point, it was like, it was all over. I mean, Star Trek might have ended or anyway, I was ending. So this legendary fictional character that I played for three years is, is died. So the question is, how do you die? What am I going to be? My sister, who was three years, who was three years older than I, was in Montreal, in a coma, died. And her daughter, my niece calls me and says, Mommy's dying. She's moaning. And I said, I can't, I can't get up there. I can't fly up there. Take the phone and put it next to her ear. Let me talk to her. So she did that. And I hear her. I said, Joy. Joy. It's Billy. Joy. It's Billy. You're going to go see Mommy and Daddy. But I love you, Joy. You're going to be all right. You're going to be peaceful. It's going to be all right, sweetheart. She went, oh, she made the most contented sound. And her daughter started crying, who's holding the phone. And I started crying. And Joy passed away the next day. She died, peaceful. I don't know what the coma was. The coma might have been pain, might have been agony, might have been conscious. I'm dying. And I haven't seen Billy or my daughter is there and I can't reach her. I mean, one of the myriad of thoughts that somebody's dying is still conscious enough to think. What are they thinking? I'm leaving this world. I don't want to leave. I don't want to leave this world. I'm having too much fun talking to you. No, I'm talking. I'm having too much fun talking and watching you listen, hoping, hoping, hoping, hoping that you think it's all right. I do two hours. I can. So the question of what are you seeing when you die? What are you conscious of? Is it blackness? And you're totally, I mean, what is I've been unconscious? I've been under the under an anesthesia and it's blackness. That period of time is blank. My father saw something. Tell me about that. He just at that moment just looked out and saw something. Well, but you see, you can't say that because it's a known fact that lack of oxygen. Sure. Elucination or or or or it's all mine. So we go back to all mine. So Captain Kirk lived his life briefly. There's the enemy there. You go there. You go there. So I think he would have faced death bravely but with wonderment and all. And that's what I wanted to capture it. Oh, my, I didn't want fear. Oh, my, it's why. That was what I wanted to do. I don't think it's. It's oh, my, it's startled and a little fearful, but that's the actor. That's the notes you can play as an actor. If you're feeling, if you know death and your fear of death and how you you the actor want to die, you can interpret those notes to give the character. Thank you, Bill. By everybody. Thank you. That was William Shatter. I kept the Star Trek fan thing to myself for a whole hour, which is the hardest thing I've ever done on the show. Let's start with the building. In 1992, McGill students voted to name their student union after him. And the university said no. We only named buildings after dead people and big donors. The students kept calling it the Shatter Building anyway. The university's been losing that argument for 34 years. Good for him. Now that man and silver. The conversation didn't go where I thought it was or hoped it would. In his 2008 memoir, Up till Now, Bill says the man and silver was the part he made up for television and he's been trying to take it back ever since. And he told me that story with the guy and silver in there anyway. But I think the story is better with the silver guy in it. So to see who might have challenged.
Now his whole theory that we're all wearing masks and the one he wears for an interview
is pretty good, but then he told me about the phone call to his sister and for about
one minute I saw the man without his mask.
Now remember that minute for the rest of my life.
Bill's album is Love and Other Mysteries, the book is Wisdom and Worries, and his podcast
for this daughter Melanie is No Time but Now.
Everything I mentioned is linked below, until next time be safe, be kind, and know that
you are appreciated and live long and prosper.
Now I'm a parent on my phone, as well as mirrors in, so I'm saying it like I should.
But then another conspiracy theory becomes the truth, my friends, and it never ends.
I feel the crack at it, I got stuck inside my home with an K-Out truck, I've been only
a little while, to stand, look you great faith, the moon landing alone, on a film set,
I wore the shadow people there, the rust-wellings just fought the smiling man, and I'm told,
and his name was Cole, I can't believe, I'm cancer with the fidget, and the fish are
♪ Wednesday, day two ♪
♪ And when I have to read all through the night ♪
♪ All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth ♪
♪ So the one falls on your feet all through the light ♪
The mouth man's sight in van, the solar storm still come to a gutter, the city on the ground.
Mysterious number stations, planets are phoned to, brackets dark gate, and what the dark watchers found.
When I sing you, listen, don't you worry though
The black night's at a light and told me so
I can't believe I'm dancing with the fishy
Have your fish on first day, next week they take you
And one month I'll be off to the night
Oh, I ever wanted what to get to the truth
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♪ Have delicious days and nights when they change you ♪
♪ And when the waffles on the feet all through the night ♪
♪ Oh, I ever wanted one to just hear the truth ♪
♪ So the waffles on the feet all through the night ♪
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