The Basement: Dave Paulides | Missing 411 and Cases the Government Won't Let You See

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America's national treasure pulls a lot better than America's Bermuda Triangle with parking. We cover a lot of fun stuff in this one. The disappearances, Bigfoot DNA, UFOs, vanishings in the park, all kinds of great stuff. After our talk, I'll come back and break down what I could confirm and what's still up for debate. And there's quite a bit. Let's go down to the video. Down to the basement. So, Stacey Aris, I read that her file was 2,000 pages. Do I have that right? I wish I knew. I wonder how we know that. Because I tracked that down, and that's what I read, that her file is that thick, which is about 10 times more pages than a typical missing person. I would find that hard to believe. Would you really? I really would. I don't know what they could be doing if he hasn't touched it in 40 years. I don't believe that. Well, speculate on her case. Why hold it for 40 years? Could most of the people in that file are dead? Oh, 100%. I think that there's only a few options. They lost it, or the investigation is so sloppy they're embarrassed, or there's a suspect in the case. And they dropped the ball on it. It's two or three, I think. It's something that makes them look bad, is what it is. It must be. So, it's not even disputed that they don't release lists of missing people at the parks. No one disputes that. They do not. And they say they don't keep track of it, which is a lie. Okay. So, tell the story. I guess a good way to get into the story would be, because we were just talking about George outside. George Knapp reaches out to you and says, they didn't even use your name in the article. I saw this on your show a few days ago. I'm like, Dave's pissed today. What's going on? So, what happened? Substack? There was an article that was written in Substack. George sent it to me and said, Dave, you won't believe this. And it outlines the national policy. Parks' reluctance to release information on missing people and how much they wanted to charge. Huge article. And my name is nowhere in it. And it's all your data and research. Yeah. Didn't it come out the day after your Rogan interview comes out? It did. They didn't reach out to you? No. Why do you think they kept you out of that article? I have no idea. You tell me, please. I don't know. Because, you know, the Bigfoot stuff, I would say, could be controversial, at least in my mind. One thing that's always frustrated me about health care is how often you leave an appointment without any real answers. You're told everything looks fine, but you're still left wondering what supplements you should take, how much sleep you actually need, or what your diet should focus on. That's what Superpower fixes. Superpower sends a licensed professional to your home, or you can visit a nearby lab. It's one simple lab test. 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That's code BASEMENT, and after you sign up, they'll ask you how you heard about Superpower. To be a favor, and if you could, tell them the basement sent you. Help support the show. So, you reach out to the BOI and you say, I want the list, and they say, well, we're going to charge you for it. What happened there? I'd already written a few books. So, I was a printed author. There's an exemption in FOIA. If I asked for documentation that they can get, that they're supposed to put it together. Well, right away, they refuse, and they say, no, your books don't count. I asked George, same thing. He says, no, that's BS. He goes, they're just screwing with you. And he goes, it's probably going to get worse. He was right. And then I said, okay, well. Because some of your books are self-published, but some are not. Right. Some are through publishers. Right. So, you are a published author. Exactly. And just so people who don't understand, I might as well clear this up right now. I could have all my books published by a big publishing house if I wanted to. Oh, yes, you could. Don't do that. Don't do it. Don't do that. Because you will get 12% to 18% of the book. Now, I don't make a lot of money off my books, but it doesn't take a whiz kid to do that. I don't make a lot of money off my books, but it doesn't take a whiz kid to go through the process and understand how to make your own book, go through your own website, and take 100% of those profits. Right. Which is why I do it. And I don't have the politics involved with a publishing house. I can say whatever I want in my books. Yeah, I bet there's publishers reaching out every week in your email, like, hey, we can get these out there. Correct. No, you don't need any of that. No. So, I decide that I'm going to file a Freedom of Information Act. Using all the formalities that are right and correct, and ask them for a list of missing people. For every park? Every park. Their entire system. And six months later, they come back and they say, well, we don't have any lists of missing people. Six months? Six months. We don't have any lists of missing people. And we've already looked and spoke to the management. And if you wanted us to go out and gather that information, we will not acknowledge your existence. But if you wanted to pay for it, if you want a list from all of the park's system, it would be $1.4 million. And if you wanted it just from Yosemite National Park, that would be $34,000. And that's to justify what the work involved in compiling that list that they have? Correct. So, I was on Coast to Coast. I think I was on Norrie's show. And I talked about this. And within a. A couple days, I get a special agent from the park service that calls. And he said, Dave, they are trying to screw you. Let me explain how this works. Each one of our regional offices, this has so many special agents, right? Every special agent has a handful of missing person case files in their desk. Here's what it would take, Dave. Each one of those special agents, maybe it takes them 10 minutes to type on a computer. each one of the four or five files name date location case number and this is out of the six districts six districts each each special agent does that and then in each office they send that list to their special agent in charge in that office right they cut and paste that on an excel spreadsheet right dave maybe we're talking an hour and a half two hours max each one of those special agents in the six jurisdictions sends that to the front office and how long is it going to take them to cut and paste dave they're absolutely screwing you that's how i found out about this and they have the list anyway this this is all just words they have it anyway because we know for a fact they keep track of who dies in the parks 100 they've been doing that since 1897 they know every number but they don't track who disappears no i don't buy it you , well they have lists of how much toilet paper is in yosemite national park sure on an inventory list they have a list on their website of every movie was made in a national park and george knapp said one day dave they are absolutely lying they have the list they don't want you to have it so you compiled your own list of yosemite oh yeah that really got me mad yeah so for the next year and a half i just did nothing but focus on yosemite wrote a couple of different books that included yosemite cases yep and guess what happened they released a list of missing people from yosemite son of a gun and what that told me though and how close to that list to your list was theirs they missed a couple of really old cases that they probably don't want to even acknowledge but but you had everything oh yeah yeah but it also told me that i'm missing a lot of cases from the other parks obviously of course but yeah because you can't do two years per is yosemite the i don't want to say dangerous that's not the right word but what park swallows the most number of people is it yosemite yosemite yeah yeah because in looking at olympia i think it's olympia national park right olympic olympic i think they're up to something like 500 deaths so if yosemite's bigger a lot of people have died in that park oh yeah well how long was your list of missing people from yosemite it was longer than theirs i think it was approaching 70 80. you never really speculate on what you think is happening with these people so there was a case i wrote this is how confusing it it gets there was a woman that disappeared in yosemite and a national park service ranger took the report and it was obvious that she was up on a hillside or on a cliff and her body was found in a position at the bottom that the wording used by the park service was she was launched meaning she didn't fall she was launched now what they thought how she was launched was never made clear but that was in report and it wasn't a missing person case that's just a death case right so you can get that and when i looked at that it was never made clear how she ended up so far from the base of the cliff nobody ever said anything about it it was just suspicious and they're not going to speculate in the case file no they probably wish they never wrote launched yes is that is that a file that the public can get to or no yeah yeah maybe we'll link to it um they probably wish they never wrote launched yes is that is that a file that the public can get to or no yeah yeah maybe we'll link to it um is that a file that the public can get to or no yeah yeah maybe we'll link to it um well since your latest your latest film is well since your latest your latest film is well since your latest your latest film is amazing amazing amazing i watched it a few nights ago washington i watched it a few nights ago washington i watched it a few nights ago washington um for it was four more in washington um for it was four more in washington um for it was four more in washington washington that's what we're calling it washington that's what we're calling it washington that's what we're calling it missing 411 washington state missing 411 washington state missing 411 washington state national park so good it's hollywood slick national park so good it's hollywood slick national park so good it's hollywood slick i hope you're proud of it you should be i hope you're proud of it you should be i hope you're proud of it you should be um um um i want to talk about a couple of cases in i want to talk about a couple of cases in i want to talk about a couple of cases in the movie some of them are really the movie some of them are really the movie some of them are really interesting jacob gray interesting jacob gray interesting jacob gray as one this is very touching but a few as one this is very touching but a few as one this is very touching but a few cases are great cases are great cases are great but um that area but um that area but um that area everything in your films focused around everything 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base outside of land at an air force base outside of land at an air force base outside of seattle seattle seattle and as they got near to the location the and as they got near to the location the and as they got near to the location the weather started to get bad weather started to get bad weather started to get bad couple of the planes landed a couple of couple of the planes landed a couple of of them detoured went to other locations them detoured went to other locations them detoured went to other locations one of the planes never made it and was one of the planes never made it and was one of the planes never made it and was lost lost lost they didn't know where it was they they didn't know where it was they they didn't know where it was they didn't have a clue didn't have a clue didn't have a clue and from the date that it went missing and from the date that it went missing and from the date that it went missing until the date that they could even until the date that they could even until the date that they could even start searching was weeks because the start searching was weeks because the start searching was weeks because the weather stayed so bad weather stayed so bad weather stayed so bad uh there were rumors that uh there were rumors that maybe it landed in the ocean there were maybe it landed in the ocean there were maybe it landed in the ocean there were rumors that rumors that rumors that maybe it went into idaho they they were maybe it went into idaho they they were maybe it went into idaho they they were really lost really lost really lost and and and sometime after that a couple months sometime after that a couple months sometime after that a couple months businessmen's leave in idaho businessmen's leave in idaho businessmen's leave in idaho and he's flying in to do business in and he's flying in to do business in and he's flying in to do business in washington ken arnold washington ken arnold washington ken arnold and as and as and as there was a reward for finding the there was a reward for finding the there was a reward for finding the transport so arnold is flying up and he transport so arnold is flying up and he transport so arnold is flying up and he says hey i'm just gonna says hey i'm just gonna says hey i'm just gonna fly by rainier because there were some fly by rainier because there were some fly by rainier because there were some rumors that maybe it crashed there rumors that maybe it crashed there rumors that maybe it crashed there so as he's approaching rainier from so as he's approaching rainier from so as he's approaching rainier from baker baker baker he sees these he sees these he sees these three four five odd looking things fly three four five odd looking things fly three four five odd looking things fly by him by him by him well arnold is a super smart man well arnold is a super smart man well arnold is a super smart man and he times when he sees these things and he times when he sees these things and he times when he sees these things going by two points going by two points going by two points he goes by and does the math and it's he goes by and does the math and it's he goes by and does the math and it's it's going at speeds that we have it's going at speeds that we have it's going at speeds that we have nothing in the world that goes that fast nothing in the world that goes that fast nothing in the world that goes that fast and he described them and they don't and he described them and they don't and he described them and they don't really really really they don't look like a common disc ufo they don't look like a common disc ufo they don't look like a common disc ufo they look unusual almost almost like they look unusual almost almost like they look unusual almost almost like some planes that we have now yeah they some planes that we have now yeah they some planes that we have now yeah they kind of look like a delta wing people kind of look like a delta wing people kind of look like a delta wing people have seen that these pictures yeah have seen that these pictures yeah have seen that these pictures yeah and uh eventually lands tells the story and that was really the start of the and that was really the start of the and that was really the start of the modern day ufo era modern day ufo era modern day ufo era right there because ken described it as right there because ken described it as right there because ken described it as moving like it was a saucer skipping moving like it was a saucer skipping moving like it was a saucer skipping across water correct so it was flying across water correct so it was flying across water correct so it was flying saucers and that's how it was coined saucers and that's how it was coined saucers and that's how it was coined exactly exactly exactly and that all starts with rainier um he and that all starts with rainier um he and that all starts with rainier um he didn't find anything didn't find anything didn't find anything but people eventually did right we know but people eventually did right we know but people eventually did right we know where that transport is now and the where that transport is now and the where that transport is now and the bodies bodies bodies correct but you can't get to them you're hitting a soft spot with me it's you're hitting a soft spot with me it's you're hitting a soft spot with me it's okay they walked there okay they walked there okay they walked there um some national parks people walked in um some national parks people walked in um some national parks people walked in on it on it on it and they confirmed that it had crashed and they confirmed that it had crashed and they confirmed that it had crashed there there there and then we brought in some other and then we brought in some other and then we brought in some other researchers researchers researchers and something odd happened there why and something odd happened there why and something odd happened there why that plane crashed on that mountain that plane crashed on that mountain that plane crashed on that mountain is a million dollar question is a million dollar question is a million dollar question it's located very high up on a glacier it's located very high up on a glacier it's located very high up on a glacier and the glacier moves so why hasn't that and the glacier moves so why hasn't that and the glacier moves so why hasn't that plane moved over the decades further plane moved over the decades further plane moved over the decades further down that's one of the questions down that's one of the questions down that's one of the questions the other question is is that one of the the other question is is that one of the the other question is is that one of the researchers we brought in dave researchers we brought in dave researchers we brought in dave far from the plane he found a propeller far from the plane he found a propeller far from the plane he found a propeller using google earth using google earth using google earth and and and talking to experts that propeller can't talking to experts that propeller can't talking to experts that propeller can't get there if the plane hit the glacier get there if the plane hit the glacier get there if the plane hit the glacier straight on at that location straight on at that location straight on at that location and it's almost like there had to be a and it's almost like there had to be a and it's almost like there had to be a mid-air event with something for that mid-air event with something for that mid-air event with something for that propeller to land up so far away because propeller to land up so far away because propeller to land up so far away because you've got a debris field i think you've got a debris field i think you've got a debris field i think there's almost three debris fields there's almost three debris fields there's almost three debris fields because didn't didn't dave also find a because didn't didn't dave also find a because didn't didn't dave also find a fuselage at some point yes because you make a good point about the make a good point about the make a good point about the glacier that's the one of the fastest glacier that's the one of the fastest glacier that's the one of the fastest moving glaciers in the country moving glaciers in the country moving glaciers in the country so every 50 100 years things are moving so every 50 100 years things are moving so every 50 100 years things are moving around those around those around those those bodies of those servicemen are in those bodies of those servicemen are in those bodies of those servicemen are in there they'll surface they'll go back there they'll surface they'll go back there they'll surface they'll go back under and we can't get up there to do anything and we can't get up there to do anything and we can't get up there to do anything about that about that about that well when we were doing the film the well when we were doing the film the well when we were doing the film the crew and i we talked about what what crew and i we talked about what what crew and i we talked about what what happened to no man left behind right happened to no man left behind right happened to no man left behind right there's 32 men up there yeah there's 32 men up there yeah there's 32 men up there yeah and and and if they were able to hike in why if they were able to hike in why if they were able to hike in why couldn't they hike couldn't they hike couldn't they hike the people out or put them on sleds and the people out or put them on sleds and the people out or put them on sleds and bring them out a lot of questions is this does it feel like a mid-air is this does it feel like a mid-air is this does it feel like a mid-air collision to you collision to you collision to you i'm not the expert on that but from the i'm not the expert on that but from the i'm not the expert on that but from the people i heard it sure seems like it hit people i heard it sure seems like it hit people i heard it sure seems like it hit something hit it in the air you make a something hit it in the air you make a something hit it in the air you make a compelling case in the film you know compelling case in the film you know compelling case in the film you know there's a lot of stuff in there i there's a lot of stuff in there i there's a lot of stuff in there i hadn't heard before i hadn't seen any of hadn't heard before i hadn't seen any of that footage before i thought that that footage before i thought that that footage before i thought that plane was just gone i didn't know that plane was just gone i didn't know that plane was just gone i didn't know that that you found it um but then i started that you found it um but then i started that you found it um but then i started to get angry like well if we if we can to get angry like well if we if we can to get angry like well if we if we can see it on google earth we got to go in see it on google earth we got to go in see it on google earth we got to go in there there there or at least make an effort for those or at least make an effort for those or at least make an effort for those families um because i agree no man left behind because i agree no man left behind because i agree no man left behind so mount rainier becomes the center of so mount rainier becomes the center of so mount rainier becomes the center of a lot of weird stuff a lot of weird stuff a lot of weird stuff flying saucers start there flying saucers start there flying saucers start there you said you heard a little bit about you said you heard a little bit about you said you heard a little bit about the mori i island incident that happened up there as well this is a ufo flies over drops slag on a fisherman and uh this is the first time we get the men in black appearing in seattle and we've got a connection to cia jfk as a whole thing but it all starts right here at rainier so what is it about that place it's got all this weird stuff there's a big foot up there too are there orbs so in our movie american sasquatch man myth or monster we filmed there's there's footage in there at the base of rainier of a woman that lives there that captured a bigfoot it appears it's coming in and out of a portal and she's had tracks up there this is right at the base of the park i mean probably within two miles and there's been a series of bigfoot sightings up there over the years a lot of it related to orbs and other things her footage was good and you know i'm not a bigfoot i'm a i'm on the fence i'm very skeptical of all of because of all the hoaxing but her footage was good and you did a great job in the film by the way of and i said this to you before we went on the air but i'll say now that uh there's a there's famous piece of footage it was filmed in imax from this i think canadian company or whatever that shows it looks like a bigfoot behind a bunch of caribou and you guys can find this online but dave went and got the original print so when it shows up on the film i know it's hoax and i go oh no dave don't fall for this but he got the original print and you can clearly see that it's a whatever guy on a bike yeah yeah when you look at it under imax with the big frames it's so much easier to see you could see everything it was it's really stunning yeah we were kind of wondering how the people were going to respond to that how people were going to get mad uh i think it's been all positive i haven't heard anyone really come back and attack us about it no i mean people are still out there saying it's real really yeah yeah they email me i don't know i don't know how you could after watching that it looks like a guy on a bike to me definitely he's got a hat he's got a backpack it's totally clear um is mount rainier one of the the clusters that you're seeing oh yeah it is for sure rainier has so many i mean we ran out of time on that film it's one of the longer films i've ever made and we covered a lot of cases there but they're near the end we just kind of piled on and listed them but they all kind of follow the same track i mean there there's no scent trail by the dogs there's no tracks found uh there's no body there's no backpack there's there's no anything and it replicates itself time after time after time and it's all around the mountain what i found stunning was how far apart like the last known sighting and then we find you know half a tent and all this it's like so spread far apart quick question if the dollar keeps losing purchasing power and there's a pretty strong argument at will what's your retirement account actually worth in 10 years the stock market had a decent run last year gold did better silver did a lot better up over 125 in the past year alone banks like bank of america are now putting silver price targets at 309 an ounce gold projections as high as 6300 again not a guarantee but not nothing either i vetted several companies before i'd put my name 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he was a big surfer swimmer athlete and he went up to see his grandmother who lived in port angeles just outside the park and he was going to leave from there and eventually ride across country on a bike and then he wanted to tour the park at his kind of leisure well one morning he gets up real early doesn't tell anybody just goes to take off and goes into the park and he's like i'm going to go to the park and i'm like i'm going to go to the park and he rides in nobody knows exactly why but he's pretty far into the park and he leaves his bike and disappears park service is notified his dad is is a lot like me because if i had heard this then it was my son i would have been there within a day and his dad is there quickly he's a warrior oh yeah he swam that river oh yeah and the park service tells his dad oh your your son's the bike's right next to a river your son's in the river and he goes what do you mean and he goes oh we kind of hiked the river and we saw some marks on the side of a rock and so jacob's dad's thinking hey my son swims in 48 to 54 degree weather every day just about in santa cruz he he lives through waves he swims in ocean water if he's in that river he's just going to swim down a little bit and he's going to come out yes and he's thinking oh this these guys are lying to me he says okay i'll go in the river and i'll go i'll follow it 10 miles down and i'll search every nook and cranny but he i don't believe he's in that river he goes no he's dead he's in the river so the dad says okay he gets a wetsuit he goes in the river and he for a couple days he just swims it told me he found animals and says no my son's not in the river he goes he never was in that river he goes i don't know why they're lying to me but dave i knew he wasn't in the river was his the case where they refused the helicopter they refused helicopters drones why canines because sometimes i mean frequently they allow all that stuff why why did jacob not get the same treatment so just later on in the film i highlighted a case where a young lady disappeared about eight air miles from jacob on a different river they had multiple helicopters multiple drones same park same management but for jacob no for her yes why so jacob's dad was at the premiere and he he never knew about this girl and he never knew how badly he was screwed over by the park service and at the end he came gave me a big hug and goes dave that was stellar he goes why is the park service lying like that why are they treating one case of a missing person one way and another 180 degrees different and applying different rules to different cases i don't get it make a long long story short eventually jacob is found no not in a river way way up a mountain up a mountain up a mountain and this is what 15 16 18 miles away oh yeah and a trail of clothes going to the top and what i explained to his dad is that number one how did he why did his bike stay here why didn't he just keep riding the bike another four or five miles to the trailhead why did he leave it here and then at the top of the mountain they said that there was a trail of clothes so if he was getting hypothermic all he had to do was hike down the mountain because it get a lot warmer quick but no he kept going up way above tree line now hypothermic people sometimes take off their clothes that's a natural reaction but they normally don't hike up a mountain 12 miles while they do that no and obviously your body will tell you when you start getting cold a lot of really hypothermic cases there's no choice you're confined you're injured you're in a valley there's no way out and you die that way he had every option in the world different so really what happened there that's the real million dollar question and if they would have brought in a helicopter and searched or if they would have brought in a canine to hit that trailhead they probably would have found him yeah so i don't understand it at all it was a touching part of the film didn't you give that bike shop owner a kindness award yeah so when jacob was staying at his grandma's house he took a ride one day and he was trying to fix up the bike for the trip across the US and he rode into this man's cycle reshop small shop and he was explaining to this man what he was trying to do and this this is an older Asian man very kind person and he goes Dave I was listening to to what he needed and things and I could tell he didn't have a job and he was kind of working off of savings and I I said hey I want to take the journey with you so here you take these gloves they fit you good you use those and then he put a new back tire on he goes no you're gonna roll on my tire he goes well what do I owe you what do I owe you no no no no this is on me so every one of my videos I talk about kindness and I said you know sometimes when you're at the store and a clerks ringing you up maybe she's having a really bad day or you go to the post office and you tend to take these people for advantage just take them take advantage of them and don't think what they're doing for us every day maybe smile hey how's your day going what have you been up to and talk about that every one of my videos some about all the time to something about kindness it does not that hard not that hard and what this man did for him was unbelievable when you really think about he would have never known in a million years that he was going to be standing up in front of a thousand people with me giving him this award he was crying of course but a nice moment and I don't know there's a set it was a very sad sad encounter that the way it all ended but yeah you deserve that does it get hard on you sometimes just living in this world every day it's you deal with nothing but pain yeah sometimes it does sometimes it does every once in a while I run across the case like that one struck my heart it reminded me my own my son and yeah I try not to let it get to me I try to keep it as impersonal as possible but every once in a while these cases just hit at my core I don't think you think you should be that impersonal though so sometimes you really help these families just by talking to them because it's like someone's finally listening oh I get a lot of a lot of hate hate mail why are you doing this you know you're making this publicity to just push your own podcast and I think you know that of all the people I've ever talked to I've ever written about I've never had one person get mad at me don't read the comments don't read don't read it just keep doing what you're doing it's working fine there's one case that's really fascinated me I don't know if it's the same same park Gilbert it's the same same park Gilbert Gilman yeah and I don't know how we tell the story to get all the information in but maybe I'll let you get started and I'll just I'll add some color but this is a very interesting case Gilbert Gilman so we'll go 2005 Thunderbird convertible pulls into the park as in exchange with a ranger walks out to the park with his camera and that's it so what about Gilbert so Gilbert was in Army intelligence so Gilbert was in Army intelligence so Gilbert was in Army intelligence sports sports book six languages has a Bronze Star book six languages has a Bronze Star book six languages has a Bronze Star um got into promoting um got into promoting um got into promoting people for political positions people for political positions people for political positions and he was pushing a woman that and he was pushing a woman that and he was pushing a woman that didn't win for Congress in Washington didn't win for Congress in Washington didn't win for Congress in Washington she was appointed by the governor to be she was appointed by the governor to be she was appointed by the governor to be the head of the public retirement system the head of the public retirement system the head of the public retirement system in Washington in Washington in Washington he he was picked by her to be the he he was picked by her to be the he he was picked by her to be the assistant director assistant director assistant director super smart guy single lived in super smart guy single lived in super smart guy single lived in Washington I just purchased this Washington I just purchased this Washington I just purchased this Thunderbird was real proud of it Thunderbird was real proud of it Thunderbird was real proud of it pulls into the park playing his music pulls into the park playing his music pulls into the park playing his music loud Ranger comes up says hey you mind loud Ranger comes up says hey you mind loud Ranger comes up says hey you mind turning the music down he goes well do turning the music down he goes well do turning the music down he goes well do you least like it that's what she said you least like it that's what she said you least like it that's what she said and she goes no I like it but could you and she goes no I like it but could you and she goes no I like it but could you turn it down yeah turn it down yeah He's wearing a Hawaiian shirt, Bermuda shorts, and flip-flops. Camera around his neck. Gets out, walks into Olympic National Park. Pretty busy area where he disappeared. Walked up the trail. That was it. He's supposed to be at a meeting for the retirement system the following day. The director reports him missing. Big search. Huge search. Well, talk about that search because that's a big clue to me. Because Jacob gets nothing. Gilbert gets 5,000 hours of federal search. All kinds of air, everything. Ground pounders. That's a big response for just an assistant pension fund manager. Huge. But I think everybody knew why he was getting that. It's because of the political tie-ins that everyone had to this case. I don't think so. I think it's something else. You think so? Yeah. All right. I found a little bit about the intelligence community. As my audience knows, we've got 82nd Airborne, two bronze stars, expert trooper. Okay. That's a feeder into a certain system. Speaks all these languages. His posts are at embassies. So that to me sounds like he's undercover with state. Three of those languages he speaks are Arabic, Chinese, and Russian. One of his posts is Mongolia. Why Mongolia? Because it's our only listening post that borders on land with Russia and China. He's in Yemen. He's an interrogator. He's a contractor in Iraq. He's doing all this stuff. So that response to me sounds like that's a guy who knows things that we've got to find out what happened. Where'd he go? Was he picked up by agents? Was something nefarious? Did he fake his death? So in hindsight, the ranger believed that he purposely had the music loud so that he would be seen by a ranger and acknowledge that he was there. That's interesting. That wasn't in the film. No. That's a nice note. Yeah. And she thought Lustig was her name. She thought it was odd the way he was dressed. It wouldn't be the way that you and I would go hiking, right? He didn't wear hiking shoes, nothing. It just seemed odd. Especially for a trained ranger. Yeah. So his girlfriend, who lives in the East Coast, flies out. His mom lives on the East Coast, flies out. Mom's in the 90s. Sharp as a tack. So they're out there. They're monitoring the search. Search goes on for a week and a half, two weeks. They're not finding anything. They put divers in the water. They had helicopters in the air. They had everything you could imagine. They searched his house, hoping to find some clue. Nothing. So. Who searched his house? Oh, the special agent. The special agent from the park service with the parents went to the house. So as the. The mom's wealthy. Really wealthy. She had a penthouse apartment in Chicago that he stayed at occasionally and had a room there. And they lived on Park Avenue in New York. That's where she lived. As they're there at the park, and this is going on, she gets a call from the management team. She says, hey, Mrs. Gilman, just to let you know, a couple of FBI agents were here today, and they needed to get into your apartment to get some things. And we let them in, and they left with some things. She's telling me this story. I says, Mrs. Gilman, they can't do that. She goes, no? I said, no, they ought to have a search warrant. And number one, your management team has no idea. There's no right to let them in. Nope. Oh, really? Just a nice, innocent lady. I said, no, no. And she goes, well, I said, did you figure out what they took? Yeah. Gilbert, the last time he was there, wrote on a yellow tablet in Arabic. He goes, I don't know what he wrote, but I kept it there. They took that. And then there were two books that he asked me to get for him that were on his nightstand. And she goes, Dave, I always thought that that was a clue to all this. I said, clue? She goes, yeah, clue. So before I interviewed Mrs. Gilman, I interviewed the girlfriend who had seen Gilbert about a month before he disappeared. And we start talking, and I said, well, did he have any ties to the CIA? She kind of goes, I don't think I could talk about that. I said, what do you mean you can't talk about that? You're under, you're not under a nondisclosure. You're not under secrecy. You can talk about anything. She just. She said that about a week before he disappeared, he had called her. And she said, I was in the middle of something and I just couldn't talk. and I had to break away and he goes but but and she said you know I always thought that he was trying gonna tell me something but I had to go and I feel really bad about that and she was she was upset so then I go on I talked to Mrs. Gilman and in the end it's the feeling that this was probably a planned event and that he went away for some type of governmental issue and it was all orchestrated by the government so when I talked to others about this I said well I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer why was I able to figure this out and the park service didn't why is he listed as a missing person on the park service if there's something else going on which we just exposed why are they lying to the public I don't get it now if this happened once okay so be it but then I ask you AJ how many times has the park been used as a point to extricate someone from society and put them into service someplace else and we don't know about it no but we know it happens yeah there you go does your gut say that he's out there somewhere he's deep deep undercover the question I really have is let's say the CIA needed him for some reason what's the need to extricate him from society and make him appear as a missing person versus just take him in and use him what's that I don't get it and I don't understand I've talked to other military people and they said this makes sense to us Dave no it's a weird way to do that yeah what do you think why do you think he was trying to call attention to himself to make sure that he was seen to use the missing international park as cover his mother was was more open about his intelligence work apparently they had a bit of a kind of a code but his girlfriend man she wouldn't say anything she knows something oh yeah I you know I was waiting for you to ask and you finally did I can't I don't think I can talk about that it's like well I know what that means the other point that I'll make here and I don't I don't care what if Gilbert watched this and but at the end of the interview with his mom I said you know there's a decent chance that Gilbert may see this someday what do you want to tell him please come home I miss you yeah come on how could you do that your mom yeah how could anybody do that to their family I couldn't no that's why I kind of lean away from that that theory a little bit because I don't feel like he would do that you know when someone's pulled out like that for admission it usually someone with a little bit of cleaner background like no one left behind to ask questions you know a wealthy mom could be a pain if you're maybe you know that could be a pain you think he's out there I do I hope you're right and I say that just because the mom feels that he is and so does the girlfriend I think the girlfriend does I never talk about this but probably my best friend in my I will say pre-agency and in great shape and he was he was working in Columbia Bogota embassy and was he he died of a brain aneurysm on a run when he was 25 but we meaning we and the family couldn't get an autopsy couldn't see anything the body came home in a welded stainless steel casket no further I have I have his flag in my office it's all very strange state department would not cooperate with with the family at all so I continue to tell myself that Pat's out there that that all of that was just staged so he can do that work but then again it's you left a lot of us hurting yeah but it's something that happens Pat had called me two days earlier and he said if something happens to me you gotta come get me I wish I still had that tape what else was happening in Washington that I didn't realize that DB Cooper landed out there as well yeah what is about granite so when you really get in and get into the minutiae about granite it's an interesting mineral and it has a lot of properties that don't exist in other rocks and minerals and just to get to the core of it where's the most granite in our world Yosemite and when I say that granite's involved in a lot of the disappearances and water is well what goes through the middle of that big huge granite field in Yosemite Merced River what are some of the properties of granite that are interesting it's conductivity it creates electricity yeah he's electricity yeah especially with the river yeah magnetic field a lot of weird stuff a lot and I didn't know that when I first started I people a lot smarter than me write to me and say hey Dave you're on to something here and pay attention to this and not just Yosemite but when you get up higher in altitude of above tree line in a lot of these places where people disappear there's a lot of granite boulders so when you hear I've heard about this more than once that orbs are seen in Yosemite a lot and where do orbs tend to go right into the rock so that's a hard thing to wrap your head around if there's something inside that orb going into that rock how does that happen they see it at Rainier they see it at Shasta yeah it goes right into the side of the rock 100% like the rock doesn't open no it just goes how does that happen I think you have captured orbs in your film during one of the shots unless you pulled that footage but there was stuff in the sky during one of those shots maybe it was during the Fleer test maybe I don't know if you remember that from the film but um your Fleer expert's amazing and uh as you're shooting there's stuff moving in the sky moving all around I don't know if you remember that oh yeah no so that individual is used right now at Skinwalker Ranch on their series doing that research and he called me he lives in Seattle called me goes Dave I want to help you if you can have if I could ever use you and he has a Fleer device that he developed himself that shows about 10 times more than a normal Fleer would show and we set up on Rainier in six hours I can't count how many things we saw flying in and out of there and it's hard to un it's hard to wrap your mind around how busy it can be that and we're not even seeing it and we can't see it with the naked eye right that's that's one of those claims that that connects to Bigfoot for me is when skeptics say how does it how does it disappear well if something can somehow shift into ultraviolet or infrared you wouldn't see it but it's still there you just can't see it no there was uh there was research done in Pennsylvania where Bigfoot has been seen there so many times and one of the times a Bigfoot was seen holding an orb in its hand what yes and this was in the proximity of where a UFO was seen hovering above other Bigfoot so that association between orbs Bigfoot and UFOs is almost like a weekly occurrence out there in parts of Pennsylvania sounds like that story from earlier where the orb comes down and the creatures come out exactly if you go back to the Native Legends because you like with the Hoopa are the orbs part of those stories too yes because if you really think about that story on the California Oregon border that glowing moon could be an orb just by the definition we just don't know yeah the tribe around Shasta they are forbidden to go above the tree line because that's the home of the sky people you ever seen vanished yes so that's owned by the History Channel you watch it right now on amazon for a couple bucks but so they hired me to do an hour and a half special about missing people we went up onto shasta and uh about some missing people and it's absolutely where that person went there's no crevices there's no place to go and well hold on now you're now you're getting me excited do you remember any of those cases from shasta because i because i have questions so the man that disappeared on shasta he was up there with a pilot from american airlines and another man that owned an import export business from san francisco and they had camped his name was carl and they'd camped on the side of shasta he didn't feel good that night and they were putting the camp together and they said hey carl you take off ahead of us and we'll follow you up this is the carl landers case carl landers yes and uh he's going up and they said yeah we saw him climbing up and then you you hit a position where a ranger checks you in before you go up well the ranger wasn't there that day and they don't know there was some thinking that somebody saw him making that final jump to the summit others said they hadn't seen him so long story short the head of search and rescue for the state of california took over that search up in that area and they put a cobra helicopter at the summit over 14 000 feet and dropped searchers and had them come down like a spider web on the mountain they did that three times and that search official i don't know if it was a search official i don't know but it was a search official and the search official said dave he's not on it he may be in it but he's not on it or he's either up there or he's in there but he's not on it and he goes i guarantee he's not on it there's no place to go i mean landers disappeared basically in plain sight with good visibility in front of two companions 100 and he was and he was a trained hiker 100 good shape good shape 69 years old yep yeah yeah still still nothing on him very very few options on that very few options about what could have happened and and the searcher he said dave i'm baffled i have no idea did you ever pull his report his case well there's well yeah so i got unlimited access to the head searcher and he was he was a searcher and i got unlimited access to the head searcher as transparent as you could be so he would have been the one writing him and so that would have been a state issue not federal state isn't covered by foia only feds right so i never even tried but anytime i wanted to contact him i could have so that was a long time ago but just last year um i don't know if you looked into the lesnar cardenas case lesnar cardenas he's driving he flips his car calls for help um police respond he's not there apparently hitches a ride home get grabs his hiking gear goes to a trailhead in shasta and just says that's it and that's the last we've heard of cardenas hadn't heard that i there is another case on shasta within the last year involving a younger man like in his 20s disappeared on the mountain too i did a video about it and just nothing nothing you comes across your desk what makes it a 411 case and what makes it not fit in those profile points um tracking dogs can't find us in professional trackers can't find tracks point of separation you and i are hiking together hey you go that way i'll go this way and something happens to one of us happens all the time um a weather event either when the person disappears or when search and rescue starts uh granite um if the person is found and they're not found they're not found they're not found they're not found they're not found nine times out of ten they have memory loss and they don't remember how they got got lost or disappeared um those cases are wild because that's what was that one case where the guy heard the bagpipes do you remember that one oh yeah that was an olympic case olympic national park you want to tell that one real fast because he disappeared twice didn't he so he gets dropped off by a girlfriend and he's going to hike olympic and spends a few days he gets lost and he's just camping out wakes up one day and he's looking for i think something to drink or something to eat and he hears bagpipes and he kept walking towards those bagpipes so there's a search and rescue team on the mountain looking for somebody else those bagpipes drug that man and led him right into the middle of that search party's camp didn't they say he was like dirty and crazy and thirsty correct how crazy is that and then what happens to him he just wanders off again so i forgot who it was but while he was missing it was like a father-in-law or stepfather or it wasn't his direct father but one of those people died and there was there was some theory by some that maybe those bagpipes had something to do with a father or father-in-law that died that led him to safety yeah that's a nice touch yeah gotta admit it's pretty odd yes um but i mean if you're dying of thirst you're all kinds of crazy things you're going to see in here oh and no doubt but to lead you to the middle of the search camp that's pretty remarkable that's that's a great case all right we'll take a quick uh quick break come back we'll talk some more 4-1-1 and we'll get into some bigfoot right back so i've been asked to ask you about one shasta case and if you don't remember you don't that's fine do you remember the grandma cappy case oh yeah you do okay thank goodness such a weird story very weird story little boy gets lost um then he tells a story that he gets taken down underground and there's this woman she may may be been a robotic type woman because she admitted some kind of sparks and things and the thing that was very odd about it is that he he was taken underground and for a little kid to come up with this story is just bizarre and the way he described this woman was bizarre i would have ignored it and not given it two cents except that for a little boy to come up with that story i don't know if it's possible the way he was found was weird yeah um for you guys that don't know this little boy is hanging out with his grandmother grandma cappy and says i like you better than the other grandma cappy and mom says what and he tells this story about being underground with someone who looks like his grandmother makes him defecate on paper or something like that it's too weird to make up then surgery has you can't find him they search the whole area and then he just appears out of the brush and he's fine and he's found in a location that was previously searched yes which is one of our profile points and i wish i could have interviewed the child one-on-one but we didn't get that option so we have to just kind of listen to what his grandmother said um it's one of a kind i've never heard of anything similar to that no it's a really weird one and um i think his grandmother was camping there once and woke up with like puncture wounds i don't know if you remember that part of the story which was corroborated by a friend of hers and they thought it was spider bites or something yeah but i think i think it sounds like dna extraction for the road for the androids that are under there that's a great story it is a wild one all right let's talk some bigfoot so you know i don't like bigfoot i don't like that i don't like it well then why are we talking about it because because if i don't i'll get i'll get i'll get in trouble when i say i don't like it that's not what i mean i want i want all these stories to be real i approach them with as a hopeful skeptic like bigfoot i want it to be real but there's so much noise i don't know what to believe so in in my mini doc i debunked pretty much everything i've ever done in my life i've debunked pretty much everything i've ever done except patterson gimlin film i couldn't debunk it and the uh the freeman video i couldn't debunk that is there any other video so when i go to a conference i'm going to give you a list of things to think about and this is what this is how i started and i start off talking about a man named ron moorhead who had the sierra camp and it was a it was a camp with hunters that went to it for decades. And they had these encounters at the camp with what probably was a Bigfoot. And he actually brought a recorder up and recorded the sounds that this thing made in camp. He then turned the recordings over to a University of Wyoming professor, and Rodney Curlin, University of Wyoming. And he said that these were not digitalized. They were not prerecorded. They were a lower frequency than what humans could produce. They're very unsettling. They're creepy. They are creepy. Then they were turned over to a man named Scott Nelson, 25 years Navy Cryptolinguist Specialist, three-time Navy Postgraduate School. He identified it as perfect language. We just don't know what they were saying, but he said that is language. So he said, "We're going to try to find a way to do it in a way that's not the same as it was in the past." And he said, "We're going to try to find a way to do it in a way that's not the same as what it was in the past." He stated that they are a tribe of people, they can bend light around them. Mariah Mayer, a good friend of mine, by the way, she and I did a cruise together. She said, "Something ran right by me, but I couldn't see it." We didn't walk through any of this. It's like she walked through a portal, didn't recognize anything, something runs right by her, she says she doesn't see it. Dr. Rob Alley wrote a book called "Raincoast Sasquatch," one of the best books out there about Bigfoot. And he had multiple, multiple reports of Bigfoot swimming amongst the inner islands. Swimming! Swimming amongst the inner islands in Alaska. This was a common occurrence in Alaska. Now, apes and gorillas don't like to swim. Bigfoot likes to swim. And apes and gorillas can't make language, they don't. Obviously not. Right, they don't have the anatomy. No. So I'm going to get to that. Okay. Don't jump ahead. Sorry, I just want to step on the punch line. So in our movie "American Sasquatch," Colm Kelleher, the chief investigator at Skinwalker Ranch, where they saw this bipede come out of what looked like a portal. Six foot tall, 400 pounds. NASA website 2015 said portals are real. Jonathan Dover. What did NASA say in 2015, it says portals are real? Portals are real, it's on their website. Okay. Okay. Jonathan Dover, you ever heard of him? Mm-mm. Another guy you would really like. He's a former Navajo ranger, he's 30 years in law enforcement, graduated from the Federal Law Enforcement School, super smart man. He's Navajo. As a ranger, they were like the fishing game for the Navajo tribe. He gets called into his chief's office one day after 20 years, and he and his partner get called in and said, "Hey, you're my new Bigfoot and UFO expert.". We've had too many of these, you're gonna go investigate and you're gonna be the expert. He goes, "Hey, I don't have any interest in this." He goes, "I don't care, you're gonna go do it." Jonathan went out and for 10 years did nothing but investigate Bigfoot and UFOs. He said, "Dave, I can't tell you the number of times I walked and followed a path of tracks that ended in the middle of nowhere." Just suddenly stopped. DNA studies. When I was working for the technology people, one of the things they wanted was DNA. So I went on coast to coast. Who wanted DNA? The people that paid me to go out and do the research. Oh, they wanted you to collect DNA. Yeah. Not yours. Yeah. No, they're not getting mine. Mine either. 23andMe, no thank you. So we went on coast to coast and we got 14 states, different specimens, two Canadian provinces. When the people sent in hair, we need the follicle for the DNA. So when they sent in the hair, at first we sent it to a hair and fiber expert. Now, a lot of people don't understand this, but there's people in the FBI and people on the outside that look at hair and fiber every day and use it for criminal prosecutions. Everybody's hair looks different. I mean, human to ape to gorilla to deer to elk, everyone is different. Bigfoot hair doesn't look like anything. It doesn't look like anything else in the planet. How do you know it's Bigfoot hair? If I see, if I'm a witness and I see the Bigfoot walk over to, and this is exactly how it happened. They walk over to a shed on the property. This is in Hoopa. And they lean over this shed and they're going through the big plastic bags in the shed. They pick out two bags, they pull back over the shed at the point where they're pulling back over right at the corner. It pulled out hair. It pulled out hair. Okay. One of our guys went out there, accumulated the hair. The hair was sent to a hair and fiber expert. It's nothing on that's ever been identified on the planet. This is replicated time after time. But when you look at it under a microscope, it looks like it has scales on the hair. It's very unique looking. I could teach you, AJ, in 10 minutes how to be a hair and fiber expert and identify a Bigfoot hair. It looks like nothing else. These 100 plus samples that we had of just hair, they all look just like that. But they're like nothing else on the planet. It can't be mistaken. So you have the follicle, you can get the DNA, but you can only get mitochondrial DNA, meaning from the maternal side from hair. But we also, in our specimen analysis and collection, we've got blood, saliva, tissue. Let me help them understand. So it's hard to collect. Fraternal DNA, because that only occurs in the nucleus and it degrades very, very quickly. Mitochondrial DNA, it's all over the cells. There's 2,000 in every cell and it's very hardy. So easy to collect the maternal side, fraternal, almost impossible. So we did get saliva, blood, fingernail and tissue. I didn't know you had all of that because I'm very aware of the Sykes DNA study in Oxford. I didn't know you had all of that stuff and I leaned towards Sykes. I didn't know you had blood and saliva and tissue. So where did that come from? On Sykes, from these 115 samples from all over North America. So on Sykes, do you know that Dr. Meldrum sent Sykes Bigfoot hair? I didn't know he did. He did. I think he just passed, didn't he? He did. That's a shame. So Dr. Meldrum and I did two different cruises together, and we're the speakers on the cruise. I asked him that. I said, "Did you send Sykes hair?" He goes, "Yeah." I go, "What did Sykes do with it?" He told me, Dave, that it was bear. That's what's in the study, is American black bear. So I'm going to tell you flat out, it's a lie. That's what Meldrum said? So first of all, Dr. Meldrum, smart guy. And he's a tenured professor. I could teach you in 10 minutes to identify Bigfoot hair. You mean to tell me that you're trying to tell me that Meldrum sent. Black bear hair for Bigfoot? Impossible. You can't do that. I don't believe it. Sykes took all of the DNA samples and never vetted them through a hair and fiber expert. Just went straight to DNA. So. He's a geneticist. That's what he does. But wait a minute. That's idiotic. Do you know how much that one sample probably cost him to do at that point? Tens of thousands of dollars. Why would you do that? That makes no sense. That's why I don't believe anything he did. Fair enough. I wanted your reaction. Okay. So let's go on. Mm-hmm. So we have non-human hair yielding human mitochondrial DNA. Non-human hair yielding mitochondrial human DNA. Now that on the maternal side comes back to 12,000 years into the Middle East. Now we got nuclear DNA. But when we passed it through GenBank, the world receptacle for DNA, 352 billion base pairs when we did it, it had never been categorized in GenBank. It didn't exist. Now when the movie came out and we interviewed other experts in other arenas, there were experts doing DNA studies on the elongated skulls, do you know that they couldn't get DNA, nuclear DNA on those skulls either? But they can get mitochondrial DNA? Yes. But if you take a contaminated sample and run it through a test like PowerPlex, you're going to get mitochondrial DNA perfectly and you're going to get fraternal DNA that doesn't match anything because it's a it's called an amplification error so that's what you would actually expect so that's exactly what the press tried to push on the public but we used there's only like 10 of these in the world at the time the Louisiana crime lab completely automated system extracts analyzes computes does everything and that came back and said it gave us what was called a q30 score that's like a score about how accurate their measurements are it was in the stratosphere for accuracy then the press came back and said well the reason it says human they're sterile thinking it's ape and gorilla right right the reason it's human is because it's contaminated so they never said this in front of me but I'll say it in front of you if you're thinking it's human and you're thinking it's an ape and gorilla I'll say it in front of you if my DNA contaminated those things it's gonna show I'm Greek and Russian it's not gonna show Middle East and on the on the male side it's gonna show Greek it's not gonna show nothing nuclear so that's impossible for one of us humans to contaminate it and the problem was is that there was nobody educated to counter these ludicrous things that were being said now let's keep going here this is important there's only one country in the world AJ that committed their funds to studying the topic do you know who it is Russians the Russians spent millions they got their best scientists in the world to study it you know what the conclusion they came to what human one of their researchers came here to a conference in Colorado and I was invited to it I walked into the back room at the conference and they're holding my two books and he said Dave you're the only one that's told the truth everyone else is lying we know what the truth is because we've done it in Russia now you're finally telling the truth here did the Russians get the nuclear DNA no they got exactly what I had found but you see they believed that it actually bred with a human mm-hmm and they were trying to at that time extract the DNA from bones that were buried like 50 70 years ago and they were having a difficult time with it but they said we know you're right Dave that's coming from the country that did it yeah so that's pretty powerful Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade Electrolytes.com zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self what propels you propel with Gatorade Electrolytes yeah Russia invests and all that stuff they do so in 1924 I was doing a review on articles about missing people in 1924 I found an article in the Oregonian newspaper I almost thought of my chair thinking I've gone to a hundred conferences on Bigfoot I've never seen anyone present this the title of the article on the front page of the Oregonian was big hairy Indians back of the Ape Tale I said what they called it the Silatic tribe they said that they're covered with hair I know the tribe bear and bird language they have they imitate anything in the woods they have supernatural powers they can kill game with hypnotism other tribes that claim loomy and the Quinault have traded with them I heard this that they traded with them they would they had relationship with it correct I've heard it yeah and I want to be there man they said that they're another tribe of us and by the way the articles in there oh is it it articles in that book I see a very famous giant skeletons article right on the back of the book I watched one of your videos might been just a few days ago where you were covering some of the sort of connect the first time I saw anyone connect the Giants legend to possibly being Bigfoot well and I and you were very cautious because you didn't attack the Smithsonian like I do oh I have I have good but I thought it was an interesting theory because we've got all these stories articles in the press bones being found being shipped the Smithsonian giant all these native legends here are the bones you've got that we've got the woman from the Lovelock tribe wearing the orange hair yeah I mean that the hair is there well I wonder if we can test that so the truth is is that every time that those giant bones have been found it goes to an institution mainly the Smithsonian and bingo it's gone why is it gone now I'm not saying that all of those giant bones were Bigfoot but I find it suspicious that all of those specimens are gone how could that be now they will argue that that it's sensationalism and all of that and that's fine I I will give you I'll give you 95% of it but we have records from the Smithsonian acknowledging receipt of large bones in inside a large coffin as well so like a giant ossuary we have their receipt so what do you mean you don't have it well what doesn't make sense to me is when they said well you know we're trying to hype this or something no no the articles were written at the time the bones were found hype it was in just a normal newspaper trying to show the trail of where it went and there's so many articles oh absolutely no absolutely okay so that 1924 article subsequent to that I found several others that also talked about similar occurrences with that tribe the Silithics then we bring in Harvey Pratt brings witnesses draws much more human looking face than anything related to an ape or gorilla now here's the part you won't hear at other conferences apes and gorillas namely gigantopithecus let's talk about that they don't have large breasts all year all the time only humans have that no wild ape or gorilla hair has ever been found in the wilds of North America so all these specimens that have been found we know what gigantopithecus DNA looks like Paranthropus DNA we know what their hair would look like we also know they didn't walk upright absolutely they did their knuckle walkers that's right so that DNA has never been found here nope apes and gorillas do not like water to swim in there's not one shred of evidence gigantopithecus or Paranthropus has ever been in North America no hair no bones no sightings no evidence just like you said that they walked upright gigantopithecus went extinct two million years ago and we say it was here just because of a piece of a jawbone and a few teeth and that's it so when people say well Bigfoot is gigantopithecus or anthropus ape gorilla there's not one shred of evidence to prove that think about that and I and I'm not saying that with no facts or evidence there's that's a hundred percent fact yet we do have hair that doesn't match anything else in the world that was seen by people a Bigfoot going from a to b we recover we do the DNA the evidence is there you still have samples sitting around samples of of hair tissue that could be tested with more supervision I know you don't like the Sykes test that's fair he was very specific so when I first got the samples and was looking for the DNA you know where I went first UC Davis I lived in California sure I mean the one of the best scientific centers in the world yep you know what they told me they said hey we don't want anything to do with Bigfoot why not I don't know I got that from universities time after time after time it was something that they didn't want to touch so I've you know what BFRO is I do okay so the biggest organization yeah biggest Bigfoot research organization in the world yeah great database so there was a man named Wally Hersham Wally was the main benefactor to BFRO and and gave them hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars over the years with one edict get DNA if you ask them they never got any DNA again AJ I'm going to say I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I was able to get DNA Scott Carpenter and I got DNA from Great Smoky Mountain National Park and then we got DNA when we went on Coast to Coast why didn't they do that so Wally, when he heard we've got it, he joined our study. He actually helped finance some of the DNA work. Once that DNA was done, he said, you guys did an excellent job. I know what you did is 100% accurate. You've answered all my questions in the Bigfoot world. I'm done. And he dropped out. He died not too long ago. He was a really good guy. And he was trying to just get to the fact of what it was. He says, I know now. He knows. He knows. I wonder what happens to Meldrum's work and all of his, everything he has. It went to Cliff Barakman. Oh, it did? Yeah. Is it safe there? Oh, yeah. Cliff's a good guy. I think the field is going to miss Jeffrey Meldrum. I mean, they tried to have him untenured, and it didn't take. He was one of the nice, did you ever get to meet him? No. One of the nicest people you would ever meet. I mean, we didn't agree on anything in the Bigfoot world, but we could sit around and talk. He seemed very sincere. What did you disagree with him on? Oh, he thought it was an ape gorilla-based, pranthropus, gigantopithecus. I didn't know that he felt that way. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was very valuable to the field because he's so credible. He broke down so many doors, and he had people listen that wouldn't normally listen. Yeah. I would think there'd be more public support for the research. There's a lot of people out there that do it as a hobby. I personally believe that there have been organizations within the last three years, that have done DNA studies, that believe it was an ape or gorilla, that did the study, found out what it was, and then never talked about it again. I hear that from the Smithsonian. Over your research, going back 15 years, I feel like you've moved from, or closer toward the interdimensional, quantum orbs side of this. Yeah. I think that's a very interesting story. Have you? Oh, definitely. So what do you think is going on there? Because I think all UFO people in the community, researchers, I'll say we, we're moving toward some type of spiritual manifestation. Orbs are more frequent now. So I've been a MUFON investigator for 17 years. I didn't know that. Yeah. I don't actively do any work. I'm too busy. I'm too busy doing my own things. But I do have access to all their literature and research. And did you know that many abductees have seen a Bigfoot creature on a craft? I've heard that. Yep. So what do you make of that? Yeah, all the missing time, all that. Now, what is the quantum argument? Because I like quantum physics. You know, like, you like hockey? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I like quantum physics. Yeah. How does Bigfoot connect to quantum mechanics? So how something can be in two places at the same time? Entangled. Right. So one of the things that has happened to the researchers at Skinwalker Ranch, they don't talk about it a lot, but they have gone public with it, the hitchhiker effect. Yep. Have you heard about this? The phenomenon follows you. It follows you. And it can go home with you. And nine times out of 10, it never bothers the researcher, but it will go after the family, friends. And it's almost as though it wants to scare them or surprise them at some level. A lot of poltergeist reports like this. Yeah. Exactly. And I mean, we're talking about world-class physicists that have had this happen to them. So it's real. But that happens at the ranch when they're dealing with UFO issues. It's happened fairly regularly to Bigfoot researchers. Hitchhiker effect. Oh, yes. No kidding. Oh, yes. When you get down to the bare basics with these guys, everyone in the movie would admit it. That was in my movie. It's all happened to them. It's happened to me twice. What happened to you? So I was doing the research in California, moved to Colorado, and I was living in the foothills outside of Morrison, Colorado. Kind of in a rural area. Came out to my car one day. And there in kind of the muddy soil right at my car was about a 16-inch track. Perfect. Just one. And it was at a place I couldn't miss it. It was right. I stopped everything. I searched for like 300 yards in every direction. Not another truck. Just one. Did you take a picture? No. I probably should have, but I didn't. Nobody ever takes a picture. No. But. So I moved in. So I moved to Montana. And at the time I was living with another lady. And I have a forest all around me. And she went for a hike. And she texts me. She says, "You need to come out here right now." Uh-oh. Grabbed my gun. Go running back there. She goes, "Look, Dave." And there on the side of the trail is a 15, 16-inch track. Perfect. Just like my house in Colorado. Perfect. And she goes, "What do you make of that?" I says, "Well, let's. Let's look." So we spent an hour looking. Couldn't find any other track. So then we turn around, start walking back home. And I have to go over to this little knoll on the trail. And I swear to you on my. Anyone's life. As we go up over the trail, laying right in the middle of the trail is a deer leg. Wow. Perfect. Right in the middle of the trail. But no deer. Just the leg? Just the leg. It was placed there so we wouldn't miss it. And she goes, "Oh, they're here, Dave." I go, "Oh, yeah, they're here." That's your bowling ball in the creek moment. Yeah. There you go. Let's go home. Yeah. So things like that have happened to us before. We were in Colorado when I was living there. I mean, there was a trail. We always like to hike up in Northern Colorado. And it snowed like six inches that morning. We were going to take the hike anyhow. And we were out about a mile and a half. And in fresh, perfect snow, starting on the hillside to our left, crossing the trail in front of us, and stopping like five feet on this side. Perfect. Perfect set of tracks. Stops. Starts right there where you can see and stops right there where you can see. But that happens all the time. Now, the reason I'm leading you on this is that these aren't these creatures there leaving one track. There's something else going on. And I think it has to do with being in multi-places at the same time and being able to leverage that to send us messages. Messages, I don't know what it means other than, "Hey, we're here. We're keeping track of you." I don't know. This is like part of the trickster legend where they leave you just enough to let you know that we're here, but not enough to prove it. See, I don't believe that because I think that they cooperated with Scott and I and purposely left their DNA for us. Left their hair. Left their tracks. How intelligent do you get the sense they are? Way smarter than us. Really? Way smarter. Yes. Then why dig through garbage for food? Why not open a Denny's? A Bigfoot Denny's would be a good idea. Right. See, those are the parts I can't square. You know, if they're hyper-intelligent, why pluck a chicken? What's non-intelligent about that? I guess that's how we do it. We're going to eat it. Yeah, we're going to eat it. Yeah, so there's just parts of the story I can't square, but there are parts that I can't disprove. So one of the things I've talked about in my channel before is I was at a conference and somebody asked me to go to lunch and they were super smart. So I said, "Okay, I'll go." And they said, "Dave, I got a theory for you." You know, this one really made me think. "Dave, you've heard of that theory that we're in a simulation. Now, put your guard down for a second and think we really are in a simulation." I think we are. And whoever's playing this game with us, they earn a certain amount of points. And once they get enough points, they can put a Bigfoot down and see how you humans down there will react to it. I love this theory because that's what you do if you're playing SimCity or whatever, if you earn the Bigfoot bonus. Jonas, let's drop a track. See what he does. Wouldn't you? Yeah. Send Godzilla, whatever. Yeah. And then he said, and then on that other side, we have this ant farm next to us. And Earth is the ant farm. And every once in a while, the home body, 20 planets away, needs some fresh DNA, and they pluck some out. I've heard that before. Yeah. What can you say? It's unfalsifiable. It's a great theory. Yeah. I lean toward simulation theory. Speaking of science and physics, you brought in a couple of, are these missing scientists, right? Yeah. They're in the news. And we've got four men here. They're all German scientists. They're all scientists, right? Yes, sir. What happened to these guys? So here's the intriguing part behind this. First of all, I came up with this on my own about four or five years ago. Three out of the four are from Germany. The young man on the far left, he got a special scholarship because of his brilliance, Fulbright Scholar, to come to the States and study graduate-level physics. He disappeared. In Olympic National Park, January 20th, 1992. He was a genius. Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade Electrolytes, zero sugar and vitamins. What propels you? Ali off-crossed. The second man was here for a physics conference in Los Angeles at Lake, and he came, went to Lake Arrowhead for the conference. He was a university student. He was a university professor of physics in Germany, 62 years old. He went on a hike with some people sponsored by the conference. As they go on the hike, there's like 20 people. He starts to feel ill. This is something I talk about in missing persons cases. If you and I are out together, sometimes one of us will get sick and say, hey, you go on. I'm going to wait here. That point of separation. He sits down. There's a guide at the front of the pack, a guide at the back. The guide at the back also doesn't feel ill. He doesn't feel good. So he and Cross both sit down. Cross says, I feel better. And he takes off. And the other guide says, well, I'll meet up. Cross took off and never was found again. Bingo, gone. Rich Reinhardt Kirchner, he worked for a company called GSI Corporation. He's a physicist. He was studying heavy ion research. They had an accelerator where they bring in physicists from all over the world. He was here on vacation. He landed in, in Vancouver, rented a Cabova camper, drove down to the little Colorado River Gorge and went for a hike. He had been there the year before. He was by himself, disappeared, never found again. Carl Dish, this missing May, 65, at the Bird Ice Station in Antarctica. He was an ionospheric physicist originally from Wisconsin, working for Boulder Labs, the National Bureau of Standards. He was watching, he was walking between buildings there. - In Antarctica? - Antarctica, during a storm. And they have ropes that you hold onto. He'd been there for a long time. He knew the gig. Somehow or another, he got off, off the rope and he disappeared. Now, the interesting part about that is that there were rumors, and you could look this up, that there were lights in the sky seen. And supposedly, he called into the ice station years later and said, "Hey, I'm alive. "I'm someplace else," or something. Weird. - Really? - Now, that's not the only one. Kirchner, when he disappeared, disappeared really in the middle of nowhere in the desert out there, in the Little Colorado River Gorge. There were some sheep herders that, when he disappeared, they saw lights in the sky above his cab-over camper. And when the Arizona State Police took over, over that case, in the report they, 'cause I have it, it says they saw lights in the skies and thought he was abducted by aliens. I've never seen anything like that. - Wow. - In a police report ever in my life. It's in the report. So for what it is. Now, we talk about linkage. This is the only time I've ever seen confirmed linkage. All of them were physicists. All of them were German. What makes it not a coincidence? 'Cause they're so spread apart. - How about this? I can't find another physicist in the world that's missing other than those four. - That's a good answer. And what do you make of the scientist controversy now? Is it overhyped? - Well, first of all, not all of them are scientists. Several of them, one of them was a program manager, McCaslin, and a couple of others were just peripheral support people. I think the press is trying to find linkage when there is none. - Really? - Really, I think so. I think a couple of them are real. A couple of them are suicides. - I'm with you on most of that. I tend to think the press is a tool of the state, but I think it's overhyped a little bit. I don't talk much about it, 'cause I think a couple of those scientists would like to be left alone at the moment. So I'm doing that. - That's very honorable of you. - Well, because I've covered so many of these cases of people working on advanced research that just, they get suicidal, they get home invasions, mugged in front of their house, you know, in broad daylight, over and over and over again. - So getting back to the German scientists here, hope you don't mind me saying this, but on my YouTube channel, "Can't Am Missing," an American, "Can't Am Missing" project is mine. - Yeah, plug it. - Half a million followers. - Oh, it's going up. - Oh yeah. - We're going up. - So we talk about Germans disappear, and they disappear at more of a frequency than normal people. Now, why is that? I get a lot of people that talk about that, and some people say, "Oh, there's something about the German blood. "There's something about Germans going back centuries "that it's different." I have no idea if any of that's true, but I'll throw it out there. - Well, they're the most common ethnic group in America, or German descendants. Could just be that, 30% or so. - Yeah. But how do you account for only German physicists? - I can't, I can't. And, you know, with Carl Dish, when you handed me this earlier, I saw the date, and I was like, "Oh, this is a Nazi scientist." And you said, "No, he's the only American on there." - Yeah, that's right. What German heritage? - Mm-hmm. - So no trace of, so Bissert, he was out of Washington. - He was in the movie. That case is in the movie. - That's right, I remember him. So no trace. - No trace. And you gotta, you know, I mean, that's 34, 35 years ago, and still nothing's been found of his, which is odd. - Mm-hmm. - I mean, I mean, that's a long time ago. - Yeah. - So let's just, let's just think about that. What are the, what's the consistency? They were by themselves. They were in a very, very remote area when they disappeared. How odd is that, that those guys would be in that space at that time and disappear, considering who they are? I mean, none of them made a living being in that room. They were in that remote space. The two guys in the middle, one a professor in Germany, one a physicist at a big corporation in Germany, and they're here, and it happens here. - Yeah, it's weird with, you know, with a lot of your cases, they're experienced hikers, but there's so many cases where it's like, these men have never go out for a hike, and suddenly you're, you do. - So Kirchner was, it had been said that he was a hiker, and that he had gone to this little Colorado River Gorge for, now when he disappeared, there were some US Fish and Wildlife people actually down in the water in the gorge doing some studies. Said they never saw anybody come down there. So if he didn't go down in the gorge, where did he go? - Have you tried to get these cases yet? - I do have Kirchner's case. - You do? - I do. Dish's case, I don't even know if there is a, you know, a case because it was at Antarctica. - Yeah. - Crossed, he would be the L.A. County Sheriff's. And Bissert's case is National Park Service. - Are there any agencies that cooperate with you? Do you have any, are there any good guys out there? - Oh yeah, I tell people that in most jurisdictions, the sheriffs are really, really good guys. And the reason for that, we elect them. Right. Police chiefs, political appointees. Sheriffs, no. We got them into office. They usually respond. They're usually good. Not everybody, but usually good people. The Bureau of the Interior is infamous for being litigious about its image and yet has not sued you. No. I don't think they have issued a public statement about you. Have they? I mean, they know who you are. Not that I know of. It's, you know, because it's very hard for the skeptics. It's like, if he's lying, they could just. The O.I. sues people. You were working with Tim Burchett to try to get to Secretary of the Interior? Congressman Burchett from Tennessee. Absolutely salt-of-the-earth guy. He's actually in our movie. And he tells a Bigfoot story. He's a big believer. He had a fighter pilot tell him a story at the park right near where he lives at Great Smoky National Park. Fighter pilot's driving through the park and he says, Bigfoot rocked right in front of our car in front of my wife and I. And Tim goes, Dave, this guy wouldn't even lie. Never lie. Anyhow, he's tried to help me before and trying to get through into the Department of the Interior to get to Burgum, who's the head of it. He knocks down some doors, got me to him, and they wouldn't call me. So you got to Burgum? No, no, no, no. I got to the Department of the Interior. And then they stopped returning my calls. So it doesn't matter what kind of administration's in power. It's always Stonewall. It doesn't matter who's in charge. It feels like the UFO disclosure story. You get read into the program and suddenly I can't release the files. What propels you? Is there a case that you still kind of think about? Maybe it's solvable, maybe it bothers you. Eris. Stacey Eris does? What is it about her case? I've never seen them put up such a fight over any case like that. Did you ever identify Agent U? Oh, I know who he is, yeah. Oh, you do? Oh, yeah. That's his real name? Yeah. Okay. I mean, it sounds Asian, but he's white. Oh, that's helpful, actually. Yeah. And you haven't been in touch with him since? Nope. Did you file an appeal against that FOIA denial? No. Why not? I think there's a time to fight and there's a time to just go backwards a little bit. That's not your hill to die on. No, and I'm still having success getting other case files from other areas. So rather than make a huge stink about that that maybe shuts down the whole system, let that dog lie for a little bit. Something will come on that case in the future. That's smart. You want to pick your favors? Yeah. Well, before we get out of here, maybe it's a weird way to close this, but I think it's important. Advice for people going out, in the wilderness? Great question. So, in fact, I'm going to do one in the next two weeks. Every spring, I do a video on what to carry in your backpack and how to get it arranged so that if the worst happened, you'd walk out of there eventually. The number one thing is carry a personal locator beacon. And they're about the size of your phone. And believe it or not, most phones these days actually have that in it. But besides carrying your phone, make sure you carry a charger with it, an extra battery, solar battery, something to make sure that that thing will work in an emergency. There's a new device that just came out within the last year that is just extraordinary. It's about the size of a quart-sized milk carton. And what it is, is there's a canister inside. You activate the canister, you point it in the air, and a balloon goes straight up 150 feet. That's great. And there's a light in the balloon. And that is your SOS. So if the personal locator beacon didn't work, that balloon is going to get seen everywhere. And I always tell people, I usually introduce a couple of different bars that I know of to carry in your backpack, water, et cetera. But it's a good question. Personal locator beacon should be carried by anybody, especially if you go off-trail. If you go off-trail and you break your leg, you're not coming out of there. I've noticed that a lot of the parks, national parks, don't want you to carry your gun there, even if you're licensed to carry. Have you found that? It doesn't really matter what they think. I mean, I'm bringing mine anyway. Yeah. So the way the law is, is whatever state the park is in, if you could legally carry your gun concealed in that state, then you can carry the gun concealed in the park. I didn't know that. Yes, it's a law. Oh. It's a law. So as an example, if you're a Montana resident like me and you travel to California and because we have CCW laws in Montana that are very loose, that doesn't mean I can carry my gun concealed in California. No. In the parks. But could I do it in Idaho? Yes. Could I do it in Wyoming? Yes. Reciprocity. Yeah. Washington, Oregon, California, no. But I would encourage anybody who has the wherewithal, go down to your local rifle or pistol range, get an NRA instructor, get comfortable with a weapon, and carry a weapon when you're hiking, if you can. And always, always, always carry bear spray if there's bears in that area. Good advice. Anything else you want the folks to know? Where to find you? Missing411.com is my website for Bigfoot and missing people. Not that they're related. But I was talking to you about Jeff Meldrum and I doing the cruise. Yes. I actually have a Missing411 cruise and a Bigfoot cruise all-in-one leaving in September for Alaska. Do you promise the cruise comes back? I promise. Okay. The cruise will come back. It's probably, I've done this three times. It's the most beautiful place to go by boat in the world. And go through my website, Missing411.com. You can find the cruise and all the information about it. So it's you and some experts on the cruise? Oh, yeah. Getting talks and stuff? Oh, yeah. And hey, we walk around. We get stopped by people all the time. I'm telling you, if you want access to the smartest, best researchers in the world, that's the place to go. Okay. You going to join us? I'm into it. I love it. And lastly, I would say my website for YouTube, our YouTube channel, half a million subscribers. I load a new video on a missing person every other day. Can-Am, like Canadian American, Can-Am Missing Project. The videos are great. You're a great storyteller as well. And also very compassionate. So a lot of the stories are touching. You're doing important work. Dave Fleiss, thanks for coming in. Thank you very much. Bye, everybody. That was David Pleiss. We covered Missing 411, the Bigfoot DNA, Skinwalker Ranch, and the cases without a clean ending. So let me break it down. Here's what we know. David was a cop for almost 20 years in the San Jose PD. That's true. The Stacey Harris case is real. In July of 1981, the 14-year-old walked toward a lake in Yosemite in plain view of her father and never came back. One of the biggest searches in park history turned up a single camera lens cap. Kenneth Arnold's 1940s, 1947 flying saucer sighting happened while he was searching for a crashed marine plane near Mount Rainier. That's also on the record. Now the bigger claim. David funded a Bigfoot DNA study run by a geneticist named Melba Ketchum. She said the maternal line went back 15,000 years and the father's DNA matched nothing on record. Well, there's some problems with that study. Her 2013 paper ran in a journal called De Novo that had never published anything before or since. It looks like it was built to print this one. In fact, the paper was purchased or launched, I think nine days earlier. Other geneticists also found problems with the study. One lab traced a sample back to a black bear and no outside lab has been able to reproduce any of these results that David knows the study isn't widely accepted and has rebuttals. But based on my research, we can't rely on that DNA. And there are other problems with the study that you could find online if you want to look into it. But there are no simple answers to the paperwork problem. Stacey Harris. who had vanished 45 years ago. a records request for a file and got denied under an exemption meant to protect active criminal investigations a missing 14 year old girl from 1981 is somehow still an open criminal case he asked for a list of everyone missing across the park system they told him it would cost 1.4 million dollars or that no list exists a cop asking for those files shouldn't have to fight this hard and look the list exists i think the government is lying i could be wrong but i doubt it david politis isn't telling you aliens are abducting people he never claims anything is paranormal he lays out the cases and lets you decide what he wants is the data the government won't release and that's a cop's instinct not a believer's whether it's something strange in the woods or a system that won't count its own missing the real story is the same we can't get a straight answer from the government his books and films are at missing411.com the newest are on amazon three are free on tubi if a vanishing in the wild story interests you watch our episode on kenny beach he walked into the mojave looking for a cave and never came out it's a great story until next time be safe be kind and know that you are appreciated and we'll see you next time on the mojave show if you enjoyed this video make sure to subscribe to our channel and hit the bell so you don't miss any of our future videos and don't forget to hit the bell icon so you don't miss any of our future videos and don't forget to hit the bell icon so you don't miss any of our future videos and don't forget to hit the bell icon so you don't miss any of our future videos and don't forget to hit the bell icon so you don't miss any of our future videos and don't forget to hit the bell icon so you don't miss any of our future videos and don't forget to hit the bell icon