The Apollo 15 Astronaut Story You've Never Heard... | Ryan Wood

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stuff and you until you show up with uh you know a few tanks and armed guards saying it's it's it's bolivia's you know good luck with that right uh or actually one of the cases in uh in mexico the federalities were there but um it was uh the story goes that the the navy seals or the special forces just killed him just killed him just killed him yeah not even the cartels got there yeah you know just this is some of their work from uh noe torres and ruben oyarte in their in their book uh yeah can you explain this one i i need to know yeah um i think it's the comey uh case um i have to look at the book to see what the actual date um but it was uh uh it's a crash in mexico um the federalities get there and are transporting it away and it's a crash in mexico um the federalities get there and are transporting it away and the u.s government team shows up and wants it and basically takes it and they kill the people so it's uh sort of blue on blue or blue on you know they killed them they killed them and took took the stuff not chihuahua mexico um no i think it wouldn't be it i'm looking i'm looking through your chihuahua table yeah table of contents here yeah it's well we can we can find it but the seals came in well i don't know if it was seals or special forces or somebody and we whacked them yeah whacked and that's the that's the report from uh other researchers not me per se uh i mean uh i think uh ruben oyarte and noe torres wrote a whole book on this particular uh mexican roswell the mexican roswell it was a history channel special yeah it's the history channel special um that actually i was in the history channel special um that actually i was i was in you can probably still find it can we pull that up chihuahua i have it over here let's see but that's not on the screen chihuahua mexico ufo let's see what wikipedia tries to tell us this one is again i'll let you i'll let you respond but that that would be kind of wild to me i guess i wouldn't put it past us to go in there type in yeah go to ufo sightings in mexico the third one let's do that okay so so yeah yeah yeah 1974 right yeah there you go according to local residents reported a mid-air collision between a ufo and a small airplane near the town of koyame yeah on august 25th 1974 filed by military investigation cover-up however historians say that such ufo reports were likely prompted by the 1974 crash and military recovery of a cesna aircraft involved in drug trafficking don't you love it when the cartels get in the middle of ufo that's right well that's a good cover story to me yeah it's a great listen in the my buddy paul rosalie lives in the amazon uh-huh there's a lot of these uncontacted tribes there and so you know he was trying to freak me out about all that when i was down there with him but one of the things he was explaining to me is that you know like when you see planes fly over where they are smack in the middle of the amazon like just over the canopy he's like obviously those aren't commercial jets these are these are what we call narco traffickers yeah and the fucking uncontacted tribes look at them and they think they're boxes in the sky sent by god oh wow and i'm like ah so they today it's a ufo so i i see a little tie here yeah so anyway that that's uh one example of uh of deaths associated with um with ufology or crash retrievals i dedicate the book to those that have lost their lives to ufo secrecy and uh there's the sandia engineering district uh technicians in 47 that went out to roswell to handle the bodies and they um several of them died of profuse bleeding in the nose and mouth uh from handling the bodies you know they're going out with their best uh hazmat suit of that era uh to pick them up and put them in the uh the sort of caskets so to speak and ship them off and i think that was the first tip off that um oh my goodness these things are uh potential biological weapons and that um that continues on and that that's one of the impetus of the ufo for my dad's book you know alien viruses that that he did uh that was a that was a fun one yeah i mean if you're talking about a species that's coming from another dimension at the very least or a different place of course they have a total different but i mean it's common sense they have a different biology and i mean biology is the most dangerous thing that exists on this planet so why wouldn't it be dangerous from somewhere else yeah for sure what was the what was the cause of the problem what was the cause of the problem yeah i don't know i i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i probably have that wrong maybe it started with an s i forget but he was definitely the c or an h h but he allegedly in the basement of the capital saw a few alien bodies or something like that they were like alien parts existed in in vials of formaldehyde i i think i've heard that story but i don't have any uh you know deeper knowledge than you yeah yeah that's see when i when i hear stuff like that because then i would think that that guy would have written like a whole memoir on it one of if not the most common dms i get on instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are well today's your lucky day because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter i'm going to give you my top 10 book recommendations right now also if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make money producing content from the show you can do so via the discord link in my description below and finally you can join my patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes via the patreon link in my description below as always please take one second to hit that subscribe button if you haven't already i really appreciate that also the like button's a big help and you can join my newsletter via the link in the description below or something well there's lots he may have i mean has anybody gone to look to las vegas to harry reid's uh archives and and go through that i mean he's got to have a lot of information there that's uh i mean there's lots of subtle clues there's no smoking guns um but there's circumstantial and supportive evidence everywhere that could be uh brought forth do you think some of that and i ask this of a lot of different guys sitting in that seat you're in right now when we're talking about this do you think some of that is that these these civilizations simulate it ahead of time and in english what i mean by that is if you are either one a an extremely advanced extraterrestrial species from far away that far exceeds our abilities here or future humans from way in the future who far exceed our abilities here and haven't seen powers to you know distort time whatever it may be couldn't you like simulate not crashing or simulate you know who if if i'm going to be seen only these kids in the woods are going to see me and no one else is going to see me so no one will believe them couldn't you do that as your own type of experiment because you would hypothetically be so far advanced and perfect and i'm using my imagination here because i don't know what that would fully consist of but like you'd be so far ahead and perfect that you don't make mistakes as simple as like what to us would be a plane crash right i mean uh i think certainly uh you know abduction of the mind or uh real abductions is pretty stealthy and there's no evidence um but people ask you know and senators and congressmen ask well you know i'm from missouri uh why in the hell would these crash you know why um how can they be so advanced as to screw up so badly and land on planet earth uh and so as david grush has mentioned in his testimony as there's a certain percentage of uh events that end in mission failure um even for them even for them that's what i'd ask him yep and then uh the other thing is that we value human life and they may not and so these very well could be more disposable uh you know cyber uh ai clones or biological clones that are that are just exploring the galaxy they it's it's more efficient to do a biological thing than a mechanical thing right because then there's the potential for um you know weird natural phenomenon um like a good negative lightning bolt is 10x uh a positive lightning bolt the most common type and The New Mexico desert is notorious for lightning. And so they may not have been prepared for that or maybe overwhelmed their navigation systems. Or the testimony of Colonel Corso in his book, The Day After Roswell, where he said, you know. EMP? No, turn off the radar. Let me, you know. He had an interaction with an alien and said, you know, please turn off the radar so I can leave. And, yeah, that's actually. I mean, I could do a better job of explaining it. Yeah, that sounded wild. Yeah. That was real casual. He had an interaction with an alien and said, please, you know, turn off the radio. Yeah, right. So in his book, The Day After Roswell, he highlights an interaction that he had. It was. He had his radar operating and. I think he was in a mine or a cave, and an alien appeared and he said, friend or foe? And a typical military guy. And the alien said, neither. Ooh. And then he asked, well, you know, what's in it for me or something like that? And he said, a better world if you can. The alien said, can you turn off the radar so I can leave? And he said, well, what's in it for me? And the alien responded, a better world if you can take it. Words to those effect. I don't think I got the quote exactly right, but it's in his book. And speak in the language. Yeah. And so, I mean, I don't know if he mentally heard it in his mind or actually verbally, waves or so forth, but that's in the book, The Day After Roswell. But, you know, Cornel Corso is very interesting as being, hey, firsthand witness, army, reverse engineering, you can find his documents in the National Archives. You know, his claim was that we were reverse engineering integrated circuits and fiber optics and. Night vision goggles was the other claim. But there's many other technologies that allegedly have been reverse engineering. Yeah, how put off speculates it was EMP. And if I get him in here somehow, I'd love to get him to really expand upon that. But he's like, yeah, you know, we were fucking around. We were fucking around with EMP or something and something in the physics of like their anti-gravity craft couldn't handle that. No, it's very credible theory. You know, be it radar or EMP or, you know, electromagnetic radiation and weird. I mean, if you were to take a radar from 1947 and do a spectral analysis of it, it would be extremely different than what's on the F-16. Yeah. Operating today. For sure. Yeah. So it may be something to do. I mean, it was an analog thing back then. It's a digital thing now. So it's just a different thing. So that was the little sidebar on why they crashed. So, and then we try to shoot them down with SAMs and for, you know, anti-aircraft fire or deliberate seeding of kindergarten planets is another thing, you know. Hey, we know how this thing happens for planet Earth. When they explode a nuke, we have to dump some tech on them because when we do that, then they focus more on education. They try to figure out gravity control and they work hard. They can't succeed. And they advance their technological curve and they eventually uplift their society into a more stable environment that allows them to join the galactic kindergarten. You know, I mean, you're speculating. So that's the scenario. Yeah, it sounds interesting. Yeah. Because like hypothetically, if we don't know, if all this technology is hidden by intelligence and the private contractors working with them who are by extension, therefore intelligence, then we don't know if like they're working on all this and that's why, you know, these bombs haven't gone off. We don't know if like in Russia, which obviously has had political changes over time, but like countries like Russia or China are working on that. I guess it would make sense. Yeah. But, you know, you bring up the nuclear point, which always comes up and it always has to because it's pretty heavy. Like when you think about it, if that's the deal. But, you know, my friend Jesse Michaels points out that a lot of the, he was the guy I was showing you, right? Oh, yeah. I know Jesse, yeah. Oh, you know him personally? I've talked to him on the phone a couple of times and traded emails. You got to do some, you got to do some content with him. Oh, I'd love to. Yeah, I would, I want to. But yeah, I'll talk to him. I'll talk to him. But he always mentions, he's like, when you're talking about the military guys on these nuclear bases who witnessed this stuff, these are dudes who have to report if they took an ibuprofen in the morning. So you're talking about like the most sober guys that exist in this country, arguably. And they're the ones who report to see these things. And, you know, it gets weird when you start talking with Lou Elizondo. I don't know. Have you heard his take on the nukes thing? Um, I remember I watched a little bit of his, your interview with him. Yeah. So he, he does not necessarily think that the, the potential aliens fucking with our nukes is benevolent. He thinks it could be malevolent. And I said, why? And I, you know, basically what he was getting into is they've been turning them on. In addition to turning them off sometimes, like they're showing us they go both ways. And my retort to that would be, isn't that to, to just kind of show us that like they can, they're in control here and that they wanted, they want to do this. And therefore, you know, if they really wanted to set one off, I mean, my guys, it's been 80 years. They haven't done it yet. Like they could do it in a second if they have that power, you know? I agree totally. I mean, I think it's, it's far more of a, your systems are weak and ineffective. Yeah. We can turn them on and off. You need to pay more attention. You need to be very careful with these things. You don't want to have an inadvertent, issue and have them blow up or launch one and create a problem. I mean, when we exploded it in what, July of 45, you know, I believe that the ETs were still cruising around, but the whole universe suddenly took notice. Oh my goodness. This little kindergarten planet just got the nuke and we need to pay more attention to them. They're on a trajectory. It was an inflection point. I mean, this is sort of classic thinking about, you know, how the civilization unfolds. Yeah. I used to have in my old studio in my parents' house, I had a picture. I have it out there, but it's not in the studio, where there were two pictures. One was an explosion test at Bikini Atoll. Oh yeah. And then the other one below it was a redo of the Sistine Chapel, Adam and God's hand. But, the hand of God is actually a robot hand. And the reason, I like this dichotomy, because the bottom is what I get concerned about with like AI and things like that potentially like taking over our being and how we are. That's scary to me and I think we need to not do that. And the reason I had the Bikini Atoll on the top is because we dropped these two bombs on Japan after getting, after getting to this science in, you know, 1945. And in the almost 80 years, now since then, the world has had all these weapons. And yes, we've tested them in places like Bikini Atoll. These tests happen in some respects, you could say all the time from different countries. But no one has ever used it on each other. And the idea that in a world filled with insane egos, dictators, tyrants, people who get into let's call what it is, pissing matches with each other and just aren't afraid to, you know, play score and the score is how many bodies do you, does your country lose versus mine? The fact that we've never used that feels like some sort of divine intervention. Now, could that just be wherever God is up there? Just somehow being like, yeah, listen, I know that fucking Putin guy is not great, but like he's not going to press the button, you know, or could it be, you know, some intervention from? Yeah, it certainly could be, but I'll tell you a story I heard from well, secondhand from James Irwin, who is an astronaut. And yeah, he basically said that when he was up on the moon, he had a vision given to him of four nukes going off in the Middle East. And I just, you know, okay. That's sort of his input. And you look at today, you know, with what's going on with Iran. When did he have this vision? Oh, I think Apollo 11, 12, whatever he was on the moon. James Irwin, he's one of the first astronauts. So years ago. Yeah, you know, in the sixties. And, but I think he wasn't any, to several people, including my friend Rick Burns, room um who told me and and i look today you know here we are in october 2nd of 2024 and the middle east is could easily go a couple nukes and and i think that might be the uh you know i hope it doesn't happen but i think that uh it's probably going to take one or two nukes going off and in hostility again to remind the earth that we need to get rid of them you you think that you think i just think it's a scenario that's uh they're they're planning for um and the question is what what would happen what what scares me is the guys like the let's put a time period on it too but let's we'll expand that the guys like the curse of the world okay back then they believed in the 240 to 60 theory starting a business can seem like a daunting task unless you have a partner like shopify they have the tools you need to start and grow your business from designing a website to marketing to selling and beyond shopify can 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we'd hit them and they'd lose 240 we win by 180 yeah right and so yeah we look at that during an era of people where you know they probably blew off a president's head but who's to say it it doesn't take more than a few people thinking like that right there can be there can be thousands of great people in the government and i have no doubt that there are and then you just have a few people in positions of power who just fucking suck and have that thought right yeah and then suddenly to your point maybe they put that into into practice if yeah i mean what i thought was interesting was erwin's comment that it was the middle east and we're sitting there with iran okay i i find it impossible to believe that iran hasn't purchased a suitcase nuke out of the um you know vast missing stockpile of suitcase nukes from the russian government um and that you know they have a few bombs and if they were to set one off there'd be a retaliation and people go well this is not a good idea anymore is it sort of you know you can you can see a limited exchange uh in my in my mind you know not that the u.s and russia or other major powers would get involved um so i i i but you know as uh robert sallis has often said you know there's 20 000 nukes on planet earth and uh you know if they go off it's you better be underground for uh a few decades yeah yeah it's and it's just scary it is scary it is scary well it's it's to your point it's strange times we're living in right now especially it feels like a lot of the rest of the world is on the brink which means we're also on the brink because we're a world power and by proxy everyone's involved in these different conflicts that are going on and whether it be in ukraine or in the middle east you know it's it's definitely it definitely makes you have to look at the simpler questions about you know us as a collective rather than us as these stories that we call borders right you know with all these countries that that pretend to not be a part of of the of the same human race at the highest level of stuff and to me like the highest level stuff is oh don't nuke each other right you know and it's interesting you you sort of philosophize on that uh i'll bring it back to the majestic documents there's a um one of the only sort of think pieces in the majestic document trove um is a um uh memo written by uh einstein einstein and oppenheimer and it's a four-page piece that's on the majestic documents.com website but it asks the question of are um can you settle on planet earth can the et settle on planet earth and his response or einstein's words were to the effect of um if planet earth is devoid of political unity um they would have the right to colonize but not on traditional lines and and it goes on for a paragraph or so uh but i thought that was interesting in that you know here's einstein being posed with this question of colonization of planet earth by alien species and what to do about it how to address it what to think about it and that's uh uh i thought it went to go to your what's your point absolutely absolutely and so and and that's that's the hard part about this conversation you know on one end of the spectrum you can get the guys like neil degrasse tyson who say we're not interesting at all and they don't want to study us and sometimes michu kaku who's been on this show will go there now he's obviously a lot more open on some of the other stuff but he'll be like would they really try to study a squirrel but they're maybe because like like sometimes i'll sit there let's use the squirrel example sometimes i'll sit there and there's a million squirrels outside right i don't sit there and watch most of them but one day a squirrel does some weird shit on like the telephone lines and i'm like oh wow you know what i mean so i used to say you don't get an alien once in a while i'm going oh wow look at that well i can guarantee you that i could probably find five squirrel phds that specialize in nothing but squirrels and they the gray squirrel the brown squirrel all of the squirrels all squirrels around the world there's a huge body of literature on squirrels i suspect that there's probably more more literature on squirrels than there is on ufology you might be right about that you know and uh so or other little four-legged creatures sure and so you know absolutely there's got to be an et uh race that uh you know specializes in emerging planets like ours it's just interesting though looking at like what we view as say of the era the smartest person like an einstein speculating on these things and obviously among us like he's so smart but even his ability to speculate as a human being bound here to earth having to try to put himself in the mindset of that which he doesn't know it's it's no different than than even trying to speculate what god thinks right something like that it gets really strange it's not to say like i don't want einstein speculating on it if anyone's going to do it i want him doing it but like we we all of it is is purely hypothetical in that way and and uh surely shallow yes and uh not as robust as the truth sure um so yeah i um uh i found that the the einstein uh oppenheimer memo in in july of 47 actually it's june of 47 i think it's written but um is a very interesting read on the majestic um website i mean one of the other thoughts that i we haven't really gotten into and and i'd love to talk a little about is uh is the whole notion of what is the the the giant secret what is the really controlling and hiding and it is gravity control and uh how do you manipulate gravity and uh this is fascinating me for the past uh nine months and i've been doing lots of research about it and there's very little mentioned in the majestic documents about gravity control other than you know there's a this is a description of a uh a neutronic power plant in the majestic documents in the white hot report but it it doesn't really go into it's more of like how to create electricity or something like that um but there's clues everywhere about the nature of um gravity control in the sightings not necessarily the crashes but they're surely in the crashes but in the sightings where you have these um electrostatic wicks um where you have a a craft and it's got um you know cables hanging down with uh electrostatic balls on uh on the ends or um long sort of sweeping um sort of a shark fin like thing that i think of the um The case of Eddie Laxton in Temple, Oklahoma, where this is an Air Force officer going to work, drives around the bend, and sees a UFO, sort of a teardropped UFO. Teardropped? Teardropped, yeah. It's like 75 feet long. It's more like stretched out, like a stretched teardrop. And actually, my friend Michael Shratt has it in his book. Let's see if I can pull up a picture of it. Like a digital rebrandering of it? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Socorro's 62. Oh, you're talking about Socorro, right? No, no. I'm talking about 66. I was going to say, I must have missed that. No, you didn't. 66. James Fox talked a lot about Socorro when he was in here, episode 138. That one is fascinating. Ah, yeah. Here we go. Yeah. Now, this is Eddie Laxton. So Eddie comes around the corner and sees a man in front of a craft. And he gets out of his car, walks over. And the man sees him and gets back in his craft and takes off. A man. A man. A man with a cap, with English letters writing on it. And numbers, TL197, are written on the side of the craft. And then he hears this low hum going off. And he sees all the various, the landing gear. And this is an Air Force guy who says, clearly, this is a man-made craft. That I saw, a man-made craft in 1966. And a very credible witness. And this was reported to Project Blue Book. And another witness saw this craft fly away, too. But this is just one of many cases that point to man-made UFOs and man-made craft. Yeah. And that's the thing that fascinates me, is that I start to think, well, what's the history here? There's all sorts of newspapers. There's all sorts of newspaper articles in the mid-50s about gravity control. And you see that it's sort of, there's a lot of activity in the 50s. And then it suddenly disappears in the 60s. Conveniently. Conveniently. And so there's many cases where this long, shark-like fin of the ectrostatic wick. Or there's other cases in Chula Vista. In Northern California, where this saucer with all these hooks comes down and all this static electricity. And then the witness sees it fly over and hook onto a high-tension power line and makes it glow red. And then zips off and comes back. And it acts in a weird way that is man-made and not E.T. You know, E.T. does. It doesn't need hooks and electrostatic wicks and none of that stuff. So this is the giant secret is I think that in somewhere in the late 50s or early 60s that we figured out the equations for gravity control. Yeah, see, when you say we, I need to also possibly define that and stick on my little tinfoil hat right here back by the good old FOIA request of the government. They've been released over the years. But you talk about specifically like when we look at the 50s being where we figured it out. A very interesting event happened in the 40s, which you know about, which was obviously World War II. And specifically, there was another very interesting event right after World War II called Operation Paperclip. Oh, yeah. Where we took all these Nazis and we brought them over to America. Stuck them in Huntsville and some other places and said, show us rockets and show us everything you got. And I do wonder sometimes. And this is like in the. Back of my head a question. It's like obviously most of these guys were just some of the worst war criminals ever and and drank the Kool-Aid and believed in like these psycho Nazi beliefs or whatever. But I do wonder sometimes if the scientists as maybe as the war was waning on had just enough humanity and that is giving them the minimum amount of credit possible to say, you know, if they got figured out some crazy things with. Physics to say, you know. Maybe this stash motherfucker shouldn't be the one in control of this. Right. I do wonder that sometimes because, you know, you can look at it and realize Wernher von Braun was the head engineer at NASA when we went to the moon. A Nazi put us on the moon, you know, and that was very public, too. Right. So what's happening privately? Yeah. Well, I mean, and in the majestic documents, there's many references to Ernest Stronghold and many other. Uh. Paperclip scientists that were involved in. But anyway, this there are many examples of. Craft that I think are manmade and. And I and I think one of the things that really draws me in is the the comments of Ben Rich. Ben Rich. Ben Rich, who was the head of Lockheed Skunk Works. Oh, yeah. For 15 years. Lockheed Skunk Works. And in his retirement in 1993 at UCLA, where it was his alma mater, he he said on stage, we have the technology to take E.T. home and it won't take a lifetime to do it. He said, we found a mistake in the equations and figured out how to do it. And when he says found a mistake in the equations, in my mind, you know, the E.T.'s aren't giving you equations. Um, it's human beings that are giving you equations. So then I'm I'm trying to think of trying to understand, you know, what was the trajectory of the science going on? And and it was Lockheed. Well, it was Glenn Glenn L. Martin Company in the mid late 50s that before it became. Martin Marietta, which later became Lockheed Martin. Right. So the Glenn L. Martin Company in 1950 started a group called the RIAS Group Research Institute of Advanced Studies, I believe. And that's on the on Wikipedia. And it was headed up by this guy, George Trimble, who is the arch villain in Nick Cook's book, The Hunt for Zero Point. I don't know if you ever interviewed Nick Cook. You ought to interview him sometime. Jesse Michaels just interviewed him in a recent podcast over in the U.K., I think. I'm going to have to check that out. I'm not familiar with that. So the point is that Trimble and his team put together this huge A-lister team of theoretical physicists, theoretical mathematicians, and worked for many years on cracking the code of gravity control from an intellectual point of view, from a gravity control design. And I think they succeeded, you know, in 1960, plus or minus a year. And that capability at that point, the Glenn L. Martin Company in 62 merged with Marietta. And Marietta was doing all sorts of deep underground bases and underground facilities and nukes and things like that of power plants. And so when those two companies merged, that's when I think the secret government spawned. That's the point at which the gravity control secret was figured out and went rogue or went proprietary, or went offline. Yeah. And it gets gray area, too. Oh, yeah. It's all speculation on my part. But the evidence so far points that they have this incredible scientific brain trust that figures out gravity control equations. And once you have the equations, you can start to implement it and build technologies. Well, this was another thing that Lou talks about that has me thinking and wondering about how deep this goes. And I think it gets into the fact that these companies, these private companies, meaning like they're not with the government, were given these contracts decades ago for UFO crash retrievals. Just like how the government gives out defense contracts to companies like Lockheed Martin to help with weapons of war, they'd give out contracts for a company like Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman to go in and basically be the military. Yeah. And they're not going to be the men in black, if you will, when shit goes down and bring back the craft and be in charge of it, which Lou points out. gets weird when you then consider that they therefore these private companies have been given custody in this top secret program of these alleged alien crafts or not of this earth craft whatever you want to say to the point that they can come to the government and be like you're not read in on that so who it's it's like it's it's like it's like the clowns are in charge the prisoners are in charge of the asylum now right and who's really running the world is that is it the 1500 people that have these uh top secret uh r clearances instead of uh i mean qr um so i think that the the secret management is um is outside of government control if the president asks uh they ask well why do you want to know sir uh and he says well i think there's a threat to national security and and the response is uh there is yeah we've investigated there's no threat uh you're not entitled to know um and and even in one of the majestic documents they say on the on the change control page that not only do you have to have an authorized executive order from the president but you need approval of majestic security and intelligence command so to declassify stuff so i think it's a it's a combination of both um there's probably classified law that says you know the president can ask for stuff but until it gets approved um through these other channels that you can't know about it and so the president is somewhat in the dark um about what's going on yeah you taught you used a term earlier that's been used on multiple podcasts i've recorded recently and it's nice to hear you you say it where you talked about the compartmentalization of government yes and it's such a great point because it's such a great point because it's such a great point because you can i'm just going to use some names right now not literally but like as a figurative here you 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dollars per month equivalent taxes and fees extra new customer offer for initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy see terms geniuses and know a lot about the physics of this stuff and maybe have been read in on some crazy shit over the years and then you could have another team of insanely great physicist a and insanely great physicist b and they're working on something entirely different and the two they know they exist but they don't know that they're working on these respective programs for the government and one is a total you know moated area of research and the other ones a total moated area of research and then things don't get shared but there's some sort of and not not to be sinister about it but like just for the imagery here there's some sort of puppet master above them and it's a very small group or a person who is like charged with being the only person to know that these two things exist but he's another cog that knows these two things exist and there's someone else over here who knows only you see what i'm saying absolutely like a continuous exponential curve of secrecy and that's that's how they do it i agree totally you know you know there's skiffs and then there's other types of skiffs other types of skiffs well i mean like one of your other uh guests highlighted that was a special type of uh a skiff within a skiff oh yeah yeah and um one of my friends at air force office of special investigation said that there was um there's something called uh cia level seven uh which is apparently where the alien discussions happen uh i don't know i'm just repeating what he what he told me but he wrote it in his book called meridian uh which is it's a fiction but it's a very fun um book it involves uh involves aliens and an interesting story but there's all sorts of levels of classification and there's i think that the classifications for um the intelligence community are different than the atomic energy commission if you have a top secret sci clearance that's a different animal than if you have an atomic energy commission q clearance or r clearance uh and so those are um different different worlds and they may not mix uh what they might what did your dad or or even stan freeman have to say theorize either based on speculation or on even some intel maybe they had received on which companies or yeah like which companies were involved with the crash retrievals and what they may or may not be working on that's a really broad question yeah um well i think it's i mean if you're saying who has the gravity control secret today worked on it i would say the aerospace corporation non-profit in pasadena uh i would say the carlisle group which owns eg and g which runs a lot of operations uh out to area 51 um you would think of northrop grumman um with their efforts uh you'd think certainly of lockheed martin uh skunkworks or some spinoff of that organization uh the wraith yon potentially there's there's class classified um pockets everywhere that may be working on different parts of the reverse engineering situation but you know knowing what the saucer skin does ah i don't really care i mean the saucer skin saucer skin i mean i don't really care you know the subtle aspects of a particular crash saucer uh are sort of ancillary in my mind the the jewel the crown jewel is propulsion it's the gravity control that's the thing that is the the holy grail the secret that they're guarding uh endlessly and that's the thing that's been uh figured out in my mind and that they uh they're protecting and and hiding uh and there's a very limited number of people that know what that is and how that works and so that that's sort of my perspective on um the the technology situation for crashed hardware and ufo parts what did you think of i mean you mentioned him earlier but when when dave grush came out and went public with this which does then involve a form of retrieval we'll get to that it was the magenta case and everything but when he comes out and says i mean i guess just for context right now comes out and says something like you know this case in 1933 was in magenta italy and it involved a crash ufo magenta is just outside of milan and at the time you had fascist leader benito mussolini in charge of the country he sends in a renowned scientist marconi i think yeah marconi and some other people and they get this out of there allegedly benito thought that this could have been some sort of crazy weapon emanating from germany or england or one of the countries but they store it somewhere i want to say in lombardy but fact check me in the comments on that and wherever it was stored it was somewhere else in in italy and when the united states later in invaded italy with the allied forces in the 40s somehow they were able to as they took control of the country get possession of this craft and take it back which is what david grush said you know with some of the evidence he had access to yeah you've covered the minute the evidence the magenta case long before david grush came out actually uh it wasn't in my first book i mean it was it was grush's testimony that made me um sort of pull that one out and i think there were some italian researchers that did a lot of work around that case but i what i find interesting about it is that uh if it really happened in 33 and i'm sure it did uh that no doubt it went to nazi germany um is italy and uh germany were aligned as axis in the uh in the war and so i i suspect that uh hitler and his team of scientists were all over it trying to figure out how it worked or where it worked and and the allies may have recovered it from germany uh rather than italy per se uh but i'm just sort of speculating i don't have any data and then there's all sorts of um comments or beliefs that The Germans, you know, the Nazi bell and all and so forth had some sort of gravity control and had craft. I have a lot of reserved judgment about that. I don't – I'm pretty skeptical that Nazi Germany had flying saucers and, you know, went to Antarctica and all that. I want more evidence. That's definitely in my neutral basket. So, I mean, the 33 thing was great. And I applaud Grush for, you know, kicking me in the pants, so to speak, by showing up in front of Congress and saying, you know, we have crash retrievals. And, you know, I was like 18 years ahead of time. I was saying crash retrievals, crash retrievals. And before me was Leonard Stringfield. Oh, yeah. Leonard Stringfield did a lot of, you know, AK. He was an Air Force guy, too, right? He was an Air Force guy with photographic memory. Had all these great connections. I think some disinformation was probably fed to him. But he did a great job of investigating and collating all sorts of material and information about crash UFOs. And I leveraged his work. All his work is in my book as well. I mean, there's various cases. Didn't he have, like, an experience himself? I don't remember. Yeah, I can't remember the details of that either. But it's fascinating that, like, a guy who was then that prolific in the space came from the Air Force where this shit happens. He was an intelligence guy. And he was very skilled at it. I talked to his wife, you know, once on the phone. And he allegedly has all these files printed. Primary source files that have sort of disappeared. So that's been part of the challenge of his material. Although many of his secretarial office files are all at MUFON headquarters, the Mutual UFO Network. And Michael Schratt has gone through them. He wrote, did this great book, Dark Files, where it has pictorial discussions of all sorts of various. Cases from Lonnie Zamora to other crash events, as well as sightings of man-made craft. So that's the. There's lots of great investigators that are doing good work right now, pushing the needle forward. Do you, when you look at some of that World War II stuff and what Hitler may have been studying, do you think any of that is tied to those Foo Fighters? Oh, Foo Fighters? Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't. I don't think so. I think the Foo Fighters were the real phenomenon that people were observing. But I'm just sort of. That's my perspective at this juncture. If I had good data one way or the other, it'd be interesting. Yeah. That one. That one fascinates me. Yeah. Because they were seen by so many. So many pilots, allegedly. Well, I mean, there's there's lights in the sky. I mean, there's the flying triangles in Belgium in 89. And there's all sorts of great cases. This is everywhere for, but, you know, did the Nazis succeed in gravity control? I just don't know. Did they succeed? I mean, were they the best brain trust on planet Earth at the time? You bet. Did they? Paperclip was absolutely gigantic and huge for our progress as a country. Yeah, it's crazy. And, you know, there's a there's an interesting guy by the name of Todd Ritter at ToddRitter.org. He's speaks fluent German, but he investigates science and technology for basically German science and technology, and particularly historically one. He'd be a fun podcast. He's done some good podcasts himself, all about Nazi technology. And that does sound fun. Yeah, it does. And, you know, he basically found some documents that said, no, no. You know, superconductivity was not discovered by a couple of guys that are on Wikipedia in the 80s. He's got German documents that basically show that that describes superconductivity back in the 40s. That's fucking scary. Exactly. So he has some tremendous. But, you know, he's a primary source story. He has a 5000 page treatise. It's on German technology, PDF on the web. And he just does a lot. ToddRitter.org or Ritter Institute, something to that effect. Yeah, I'll have to check that guy out. Yeah, he's he's and he lives up in, I think, I want to say like Massachusetts. Okay. Dangerously close. Dangerously close. Right. Yeah, exactly. So he's a very interesting source. Have you looked at or talk with people who might be in the know around anything that they're doing at DARPA and how that may relate to reverse engineering that would tie into some of these companies we talked about, like Lockheed and Northrop and things like that? Well, the one recent thing that came up in my gravity control investigation was a guy by the name of Brandenburg, Dr. Brandenburg, who got a $200,000 DARPA contract. He got a $200,000 DARPA contract for gravity control. He was tasked with just doing a theoretical paper and report, no experiments. But he had also. For $200,000? $200,000. I'll write a paper. Yeah. I'll do it. Well, I mean, I don't know what it involved or what the scope of the contract was. But he also claimed to have done some experiments before showing a 7%. reduction in gravity in his experiments. But at the same time, that's the only DARPA mention that I can recall. 7% doesn't account for the fact that these cases, like Eddie Laxton's case, where you got something the size of a desk that can lift 2,000 or 3,000 kilograms. And so you need something that's substantial. You know, there's also these NASA guys that are doing electrostatics or various manipulations of gravity that are all in the margin. It's like, oh, I got like a tenth of 1% lift or something small. Or the work of Potiklanoff and Ning Li at Huntsville, Alabama. Tim Ventura. And his work with the APEC group. He might be a fun podcast to talk to. The APEC group? Yeah, APEC. If you type in APEC. A-P-E-C? Yeah, Advanced Propulsion. But Tim Ventura runs a whole organization, 100 people or so, that is focused loosely knit on gravity control and propulsion. So, yeah, APEC, yeah, yeah. So they do a variety of work on various scientists that are focused on gravity analysis and gravity work. And that's something that you could explore and look at. Yeah, I'm going to have to check that out. I've never heard of that. Yeah, he's really good. He's a former venture capitalist. Physicist. He'd be a great interview. Okay, I'll have to look into him. A lot of these, I mean, pretty much all the cases we've talked about today and a lot of cases you cover in your book are land-based, right? So it's where they crash somewhere or are seen very clearly somewhere over land. But there's also this whole discussion about what's going on with potential transmedium UFOs, ones that operate. In air and in water, obviously, that even came in when you talk about like the 2004 tapes, like, oh, where did those Tic Tacs come from? They come from the sea, maybe. But is there evidence of like any weird UFO, I don't know, crashes or something or malfunctions that occur like on the water? I think the, not predominantly, I think the Murray Island case was, there's a, I think there's, there's one case in the book where it's, it's a craft that goes into the water that they recover, as well as there's the. Did I have your book? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. By all means. There's another, there's another case, Shag Harbor, Shag Harbor, Nova Scotia, where the craft goes into the water and they recover it from the water. So these are, you know, this is a lake rather than. I mean, the undersea, underwater, I mean. I heard a story of Howard Hughes' Globe Explorer being also used to recover crashed UFOs. I think that Dolan may put that in his book when he comes out with that. So it's not – most of them are land-based. And I over-selected really for U.S. and U.K. and a little bit in Europe. I don't have good visibility into Russia or China or Africa. So there's 104. If I was to really guess as to how many crashes there have been on the planet, I would probably go up into the 200s range. Yeah, just by – Just based on statistics, it seems to be a total global phenomenon. I think there's one in Australia as well. Yeah, yeah, 1966. Yeah. So there's a lot that's out there. But again, okay, so we got crashed hardware. The river's engineering it. Now what? How are we going to change the planet? How are we going to really advance the cause? I mean – Yeah, you want to do something good with it. Yeah. I mean, I close my talks typically with, you know, so now what? How can we make a difference? How can you show leadership and advance the cause? What can your readers and audience – Do to advance the hope of planet Earth and or the nature of ufology or whatever their passion is? And to think about that, be it acting or funding or investigating crashes. There's plenty of crashes to investigate all over the world. So that's the challenge is how do you channel all these desperate organizations? You know, disparate, excuse me, organizations around the world from MUFON or QFOS or the Solo Group or all the podcasters or everybody trying to advance the cause and do things forward. How do you get a more organized, cohesive, strategic plan put together to execute against the government, which is, you know, a highly funded, militarized, top-down organization? Yeah, I mean, that's one of the things that I think is really important. And I think that's one of the things that I think is really important. That's highly effective at what they're doing. And you're going to need to have stunning leadership and a lot of money to be able to push the needle and pull the secret out. And the secret is really either – it's either fusion, gravity control, or somehow tapping the zero-point energy to give me unlimited electricity in a box. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe. And hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. 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