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And I'm not being paid by ABC right now, just so you know, is at 7 p.m. And not the traditional 8 p.m. I'm letting you know because I don't think anyone has done a sufficiently good job of broadcasting that it's unusual. It's nice in that it starts a little earlier. Hopefully it'll be done a little earlier. But if you don't want to miss the first hour, join us at 3 p.m. 6 p.m. Join the Oscars at 4 p.m. 7 p.m. And then join us again after the Oscars. Somewhere between 7 p.m. P.m. P.m. E.t. based on how long the Telecast goes where we will be back live on Netflix. You can watch our immediate reactions to all of the hopefully interesting results. And I have been waxing and waning on my predictions over the last few weeks. And we'll talk about those predictions later this week on the show. But not today. Not today. That'll be on Wednesday. How do you feel about that? I think we hold it in until for two more days. I think a couple of things will creep out probably. But also I don't feel that my predictions are yet locked in. Mine are not either. I'm going right down to the wire. So in that sense, it's fine. You know, well, I agree. Maybe it will feel it out. Let's talk about the precursors over the weekend quickly. This is not an Oscars podcast, but I at least want to note what happened on Sunday, which was two of the relatively big precursors based on how we've been tracking this. God for the sake of an award season for six months. One is the WGA awards, which of course, much like the Academy Awards splits between adapted screenplay and original screenplay. One battle after another one adapted. Sinners won original. We have learned nothing about the state of this race. It seems like we know which to pick in those categories. Yes. The other major precursor was the American Society of Cinematographers Awards, which transpired last night. And Michael Bauman won for one battle after another, which means he now has the trifecta of cinematography precursors, which I think means this is over. I do as well, which is not, I think what we expected. And probably not even if I had filled out my predictions on Friday that I would have put down. Yeah. I, you know, there's always room for a surprise, but I do wonder, again, it's just a really tight race. One battle and sinners and things are just going back and forth. And every time you think, oh, maybe it's going to be over here. You get something else, but I think one battle is very strong. People like this film. I completely agree with you. It has absolutely dominated the precursors in a way that almost like we've maybe we've never seen. Yeah. And there's something in play that could be tremendously historic for that movie. But we'll talk about that on Wednesday. We have a lot more awards season to come on Wednesday and then Sunday. And then probably after that on Tuesday as well. So for now, let's talk about movies, movies, movies. Pixars back. Sure is. Over the weekend, hoppers made $81 million worldwide made $47 million here in the United States of America. It is the second largest original opening movie. The second largest original movie opening this decade behind F1, which we can quibble about whether or not that's an original. And then on down the list, you've got weapons, onward, and other Pixar film and sinners. This is the biggest Pixar opening for an original since Coco in 2017. And I do feel like the thing that started happening around the, around the Barbie time, around the Super Mario Brothers movie time, where you could sense that audiences were a little sick. Of the hegemony of the previous 15, 20 years of franchise movies was starting to shift and that the old was going out and that the new was coming in. And then you know, we had Minecraft last year and then we had movies like sinners and weapons last year. You know, I don't want to over react, but what do you make of the hoppers success? I see what you're saying. And I think yes, in the sense of there is a new generation of young audiences who are ready to get in on the ground floor of something instead of being handed whatever their parents were really into 30 years ago. Even though that's also thriving in both our houses and at the world at large. But I think you're right. I do also think that this just had a billboard with an animal at the center of it. And I really, you don't have to overthink it. And I know that was very powerful in my home. And there were many people who just, and I think by many people, I mean many children under the age of 16 who were taken by that simplicity. You know, it is, it's effective. It's just here's an animal. Maybe it's going to talk. Yeah, I'm going to see what's going on. I've been thinking about this with respect to the last five years of Pixar, which has been a troubled period, I would say in 2020 and 2021. Soul and turning red both went kind of day and day. They went on Disney plus very, very shortly after their release or maybe it's the same time same to their release. And I like both of those movies a lot. I think they were like a little bit disturbed by the moment. Since then, Pixar has been in a little bit of a rocky place. Pete Doctor has come under some fire for some of his changes that he has made to stories to make them quote unquote less woke, less DEI, whatever you want to call it. There's been a lot of sense that Disney is maybe putting their thumb on the scale to change the point of view of some of the movies. But like if you just look at the movies themselves, if you look at like light year inside out to last year's L.A.O. there's a fourth one that I'm forgetting that is also in that kind of mid tier. Luca. Luca precedes that, but there's another one onward. Sure. There's a handful of these movies from this time that have not quite hit and elemental. Elemental. Yes, which did decent business, but I don't think anybody would put it in the top five Pixar movies of all time. And so because the company is in this kind of transition, one unsurprising that over the weekend they announced Monsters Inc. 3 because they have come to rely very much on the sequel machine as like maybe the rest of the world is getting a little more interested in original stories. Pixar knows that like every two years there has to be a new toy story, a new Monsters Inc, a new inside out, a new Wednesday, a two week coming. Will there be a third finding Nemo movie like all that that's kind of their business strategy at this point. I think that's good business. The the monsters, you know, they're pre merchandised. They're great. Monsters Inc. a classic. Yeah. You know, and every pediatricians office in the waiting room that I've ever been to. So that makes sense to have your baseline of things that we know work. And things Pixar movies that are made a little bit more in the mold of this is slightly more at a child's level. And then some of the other experiments you just made it and maybe also hoppers will talk about it later and then. And repeatable and that's listen if you repeat it well that's not inherently an evil thing. I agree. I don't think there's anything evil about it. I think I think it is good business. I think creatively I'm curious where the studio goes. It was once. Kind of the most successful bastion for original storytelling and not just animated features, but arguably in all features storytelling in this country for the last 25 years. I think you can make that case. They're roughly 10 original stories that this studio just built and created and made into individual franchises. Hoppers. I'm not sure if it's going to be a franchise. It seems like it's doing very well and it's going to do fine, but it doesn't it's not a billion dollar movie. So it's just maybe just a transition period we shall see, but I do feel I feel pretty good about what's going on project Hail Mary's two weeks away. I'm psyched. The buzz is like definitely positive on that and we've both seen it will ship will wait to share thoughts, but I don't know if something's happening. Listen, my child laughed multiple times during the minions versus monster.
or a trailer and it's like, that was my, it's a wonderful life. Every time a bell rings, like every time Knox laughs, magical things happen in my heart. So yeah, it's looking up. - I agree. Not such original news. Christopher McCory last seen completing his "Octology of Mission Impossible" films with the final reckoning. Is that a word? "Octology" probably not. He finished the "Mission Impossible" movies with Tom Cruise and now he's making a Conan the Barbarian movie for 20th century studios with Arnold Schwarzenegger reprising his role as Conan the Barbarian. How old is Arnold Schwarzenegger? Pop quiz. Don't look it up. - Okay, 64? - I think he's got to be older than that, no? - Really? I don't know. It's very confusing now with all of the plastic surgery. Like some people are way older, some people are way younger. - They're 78 years old. - Really? - Yeah. - Well, okay. Well preserved. Funny on Instagram. How did you think he did as governor of California? - I liked his works. - Does he like his works? - I know. - Okay. I enjoyed that documentary about him on Netflix a couple years ago. This is interesting for McCquarry. I get it. This is for guys who like to work at scale and he likes to work with big budgets on big stories. - Sure. - You need to have IP. You actually need to have a known story to get your arms around. It seems somewhat similar to what 20th century studios, what their mandate is now, since they were kind of subsumed in the Fox Disney deal where okay, we have Predator. What are we gonna do with Predator to make a new Predator movie to make it cohere? Okay, we've got Alien. What are we gonna do with this Xenomorph? And they've pretty successfully done movies like that. And so I suspect they'll have a pretty cool spin. McCquarry is great. I have had some concerns about the last couple of mission impossible movies about like losing the plot and things getting a little bit too big to get your arms around. - Yeah. And also the process, the structure and the stentification of the movie getting away from what they're actually doing. I also, you know, another star of our childhood trying to reinvent a phase of their career, but like I haven't seen our Arnold Schwarzenegger run. Like I don't know how he's doing, but 78 is different than 60 or whatever cruise is hovering around. - Presumably there's some sort of baby Conan hanging around. - Are they gonna like create it? - I assume so. I think, well, that would be interesting if what they did was they had James Earl Jones' character from the original Conan the Barbarian. If he had a son, then he could be the the Adonis Creed. Now, then we would be cooking with gas. - Okay. - That's an idea that- - Now you're excited. - Well, God, I gotta remember what the name of that character is from Conan the Barbarian 'cause that character is a sick villain that James Earl Jones plays. It is. Folsa Doom. - That's cool. What's the son's name? Doom too? - Well, in the Apollo Adonis formulation, would it be like, failure or doom? Like something similar to different? Just, just, - Yes. - Honestly, put me in the room for this movie. Like I worship the John Millius original, Conan the Destroyer, not a big fan of, but God, this is, I got interested again. Who's gonna play Baby Conan? Nicholas Galanson? - Absolutely. - Austin Boller. - You know what Centineo? - Maybe. - You could see that, right? - Yeah. - Will Polter? - I like Will Polter. - Okay, I'm just, I'm firing off names here. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're just firing off the cast of Warfare. - That's true, that. (laughing) - Yeah, well, that, I mean, maybe they should just bring the whole group back together together to do Conan the Barbarian. - I'm excited, you're excited. - Yeah, Conan, not really in your interest set. - No. - We asked Jack Sanders our producer to break in if there was any breaking news during this. - Mm-hmm. - And with four minutes to go, he broke in and I was bracing for something more exciting than a Conan the Barbarian reboot. But that's okay. - Jack, you are empowered to break in again if something dramatic happens again. Don't worry, I will. - Okay. Any other, any other stray thoughts? How are you feeling? You feeling good about the world of movies? You feeling good about your life? - Those are two very different questions. - Aren't they? - Actually, they're intertwined for me. - Feeling good about the world of movies. - Yeah, sure. - Okay. - I feel I had a great time with my son. I also recorded him watching the entire two-minute Mandalorian and Grogu trailer, which, I mean, I really feel Disney should be paying me at this point for this work, but he's excited. And we also had to switch theaters because Nox's first choice of theater was sold out when we could go. - No kidding. - So that's good. It was a robust scene. We ran into some school friends. - Wow. - At Hoppers, High LaRelle, if you're listening. - Nice. - Yeah. - Yeah, films, they're great. Everything else, really don't want to get into it. - You know, I'm about to make my first half-picks for the movie, Fantasy League, I'm in. And that goes March through August on the slate. So I've been taking a longer look at where, what this show is gonna be. - It goes March through August, but you haven't done it yet? - It's due on Wednesday. My picks are doing one. - So Hail Mary is eligible. - Hail Mary is eligible, and I am likely to take it. Now there's a price of fix to every movie. - How much is it? - And what I wanna do is I wanna introduce this game to the world at large. I wanna make a big picture movie, Fantasy League. It's something I mentioned to Jack. It will require a lot of work. - Yeah. - Probably a little bit of back end tech, but I think it would be really fun because it's kind of in the spirit of everything that we do on the show, with the auctions and all of our previews. So I've been looking at the slate, and it's not the greatest first, like next three months of the year. Once July comes around, we're cooking. - Yeah. - But up until about Toy Story 5, it's not an ideal set of circumstances, which I think is pretty common, and that's usually when my panic starts to set in is like roughly April May. - Yes. - So I mean, we can annotate it, but we have a record of past years, but it is, I would say mid-April. - Mid-April's when I get a little concerned. And you know what? - And or you go to see Minecraft by yourself on a Saturday night, and are like the movies are saved. - I know. Minecraft right into sinners, is a very special time for me. We kind of staved off my panic this past year. - Yeah. - I don't know if our April is gonna look quite that good this time around, but I think that there's a lot to look forward to, where we'll preview the summer stuff as we get a little further into the spring. But I think I'm feeling pretty good. The world at large, no. - Yeah. - Bad. - Real bad. - Extremely bad. - Also, I want to let you and Jack know that another International Women's Day has passed without your comment. So thanks again for all the new. - That's on the end of Saturday. - It was on a Saturday. - It's on a Sunday. - Yeah, it's on a Saturday. - Okay, there was a big banner. - We can't even get a real day. - What day is this? - Yeah, it's the day of rest. - I did turn to my wife and daughter when I saw that banner and I said today. - And did you do it for a year day? - Oh no. (laughing) - Before we start, let me just say. One of the best moons of all time. Was this, I just clocked this bracelet halfway through the screen, which I love. - Yeah, thank you. - That's wonderful. Is she gonna, is it one of one? Is she gonna be making any others? - This was individually made. - Well, can I place an order? Is what I'm asking. - I would love that. - Or maybe I can come make one with her. - Yeah, I mean, honestly, she would love nothing. - Yeah, okay, great. - In a bit, Allison, a big, a man, the face right now. Big like, will a man to be there? What's a man to do? - Okay, thank you. That's first. - What color would you go with? - I mean, I do like the blue. I guess I don't wanna see the options. Red, maybe? - Old man or a bead. - Okay. - So make a choice. Maybe not to match you, match you. You might wanna find some differentiation here at the table. Okay, red. Red is nice. Then we can be like-- - Super man and super girl. - Yes, that's exactly what they want. - Do they want super girl so close to international women's day on purpose this year on the calendar? - I was about to ask you what it is. - Yeah. You're a super girl. I must tell you. - Thank you so much every day. - Should we do the mail back? - Absolutely. - How do you feel about these questions? - Good. - Yeah. - Okay. - They're funny. Jack, are we opening up? Are people gonna submit in the while we're recording? - No, they're not. - Okay. - Not today. - I'm gonna say five, six, seven, nine. - What is someone emails during the show? - Sure. It listeners email in the
[email protected]. If you have anything truly special, I'll fire it in. - Because the one thing I'll say, these are great questions. I'm excited. I love our community. I also love that I no longer really look at the bigpickmailbag account because there are a lot of unsolicited essays. There's people took anything but Oscars, like pretty literally in a film sense. And just one question of advice, anything people need to check in on? - That's it Amanda. If any of you live listening have advice questions to send to Amanda Dobbins, email them right now. I will try to get them in at the end. - Yeah. You wanna be dear Abby. You don't wanna be a podcaster. - I just think I have a unique perspective. - That I will not argue. - I can't say I feel good about that. That is definitely true. You are one of one. Thank you so much. - You got it. All right, let's begin the questions. Jack, where do we start? - Well, I just wanna say, if you email me your question nine times in a 24 hour period, I will not be reading it. Not to name any names, but Philly's fan
[email protected]. Your question's not gonna be read. - And I'm sorry about that. - Tough one. - This first one is probably my favorite and I'm guessing Sean moved it up to the front. From Paul, he's asking, "In one battle after another, "we see a shot of Bob Ferguson "watching the Battle of Algiers on his couch." I doubt that the local Fox affiliate and Backton Cross would be airing this film. So, does this mean Bob is into physical media? If you were invited into the Craterian closet, what other films do you think he'd grab? - What do we think he was doing? Did he have a VHS tape? Was he watching TC?
- Yeah. - It's TCM. - You think? - I mean, they like really, it was like tucked in for the afternoon, you know, where he was like, this is what I'm doing today. I'm watching the battle of Algiers in the middle of the after in the evening time. I guess his daughter went off to the dance for a time to cheerleaf. - It's still dusk. - Five? - Four 30? - Probably five 30, 'cause it's spring time. No one's wearing winter coats, so it's getting a little bit later in the day, but it's not like a nine PM start for school dance. - How are you feeling about daily savings, by the way? - I'm thrilled. I went outside at seven 30 yesterday to take the trash out, and then just like almost started crying, and happiness. - I'm glad to have you here. - It smells so good. It's, I love it. This is a two-part question, and I'm gonna let you have part two. - Okay. - But I'm gonna take part one. - Great. - Does this mean Bob is into physical media? Fab, he does not have a phone. This guy is not investing in plastic. He is like a wash up? No, he's just, he does not know about like international, like region free, whatever, he doesn't even believe in borders. Like, he's not investing. He's watching this on TCM. - No. - Not a collector. It's nice. And also, are you-- - Incorrect. - If you want, he's a, he's a wash up. He's a loser. Do you want him like in your army? - Fuck yeah. - Okay. - Bob Ferguson of the friend 75. - He's got a good heart. - Get a pet. - I'm rooting for him. - Rock him in. But I just, I phone with me. - First of all, is he like all on the internet? Checking out new releases? Does he know about all the, no. - No. - He has his old favorites. - He's not-- - And that's why if you were invited to the criterion closet, he would do wonderfully. - That's why I said you can answer part two because he's watching TCM. He's just not like hoarding plastic. - In the preceding scene, we hear him talking to his daughter who could not give less of a day about recording with his band, the old band. - Sure. - About, and getting that tube sound from the silly Dan records. This is an analog king. This is a guy who also-- - This is also a pro band. - Well, you cannot remember anything and is also watching the battle of Algiers at like 5.30 PM because he's lost contact with the rest of the world and he has nothing going on. - I know. - God love it. - It's so fucking relatable. - It's true. - You know what you're just like, you just talking to a cinema classic on an afternoon after you send your daughter out for the evening? - Yeah. - God damn. Bob does not have a letterbox. Bob is not-- - No, he does. - And Bob is not-- - That wasn't the question. - He's not a physical media, but I think he would have a lovely time and some very interesting picks in the criterion closet. So now you made Dreamcast for him. - I've made five criterion closet selections on Bob's behalf. Whether he owns these discs, laser discs, VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, 4K, we don't know, probably not. - Bob isn't into ownership. - That's very true. That's true, but the great works must be celebrated even in a socialistic experience. We still support artists. - Listen, I believe in film preservation. I just don't believe that you are the only person preserving film, you know what I'm saying? - No, but I have a voice. - Sure. - And I'm using that voice to proclaim. - That's great. - You are making capitalism work for you. - Well, that's very true. And you know what, hopefully sending a positive message in doing so. - And you are supporting the work of other people who actually do this. - That's right. - But you are a crazy person with a garage full of plastic. - I am a creator. (laughing) - The five films that he would either pull from the criterion closet, or maybe he has in his stash, as follows, and all of these movies are in the closet and I would recommend all of them. It's actually technically, I chose seven movies, 'cause he's pulling the box set off the shelf. One is Jean-Pierre Melville's "Army of Shadows." Nice little pairing about the paranoia of living in a revolutionary moment. Jean-Pierre Melville, one of the great filmmakers about war and espionage and subterranean societies. Number two paths of glory, Stanley Kubrick's classic, about living in ethical rejection of awful fascism. Three revolutionary films by Usman Senben, the African filmmaker, those films are Emitis Zalla and Cedo. All three of those movies are amazing and underseen. Steven Soderberg's "Chay." - Yeah. - That big double-car box. - I know, I know, I know. - Yeah, great film starring producer Doltoro, of course. Does the film "Chay" exist in the one battle after another universe because Benicio Doltoro is in it, but so is Sensei. - Sensei is also in it? - Well, Sensei is in Bob's universe. So does "Chay" exist? And if "Chay" exists as it's star different actor? - Interesting. - You know, is it like Lou Diamond Phillips in "Chay"? - I'm trying to think of other in the universe. What else exists? Probably it exists. And it's just a guy who looks a lot like Sensei. - Okay, all right. - But here's my question for you. - Sensei just looked like Benicio Doltoro. Is that the thing? - Yeah. - Okay. - Here's my question. What is Bob's second favorite Steven Soderberg film? - Full frontal. (laughing) What do you think it is? - Let's see. The limey. You could see. - Yeah. - You know? - Tell them I'm fucking coming. Although "Tarenstamp" in that movie has really has more Sean Penn vibes from one battle. - Well, sure, but you gotta know your enemy. - Good point, good point. Number five, eraser head, right? Girl, dad movie, you know? And just like guy figuring out what it means to be a father. The absolute abject error of bringing life into this world and having to protect it. - Yeah, what we're doing every day. - We are doing that every day. Thank you, Bob. Thank you for that question. Thank you, Paul. I didn't move this question up. Was this question sent by Paul Thomas Anderson? - That is correct. - Okay. - Thanks, Paul. - You think you would go for shortcuts? An altman film in the PTA world? - Bob is like a real kind of single issue voter, I would say. (laughing) Doesn't really, he's kind of into revolution and not much else. And I guess, steely Dan. But we don't know a whole lot about him. I'd love to know what's on his nightstand. - You think he's doing a lot of reading? Like Anarchus cookbook? - Well, I definitely know he has a kindle, you know? - No. - So, I don't know. - How does Bob make money? - Well, I don't know. - Are we doing this? - We don't know that, which means that we don't, where does the money come from to buy the DVDs? Sorry, I don't know. - Blue race. - I don't know. I think it might just be VHS tapes. - Okay. - I think he might just be rocking. I gotta go back and look at that scene. - Okay. - We need to see that scene for a ninth time. Just a wonderful question. Incredible way to start this. Buy physical media, that's my message to everyone. Watching right now in Netflix. What's the next question? - Next question comes from Thomas. Frequently, we hear someone affectionately refer to a modern movie as something that feels like a 70s movie. In my heart, I know what that means. If you had to describe a 2020s film, what would that mean to you? - What do you think of this question? You feel that we know the character of the films that are happening right now, or do we need more space to determine that? - I guess we know some of the visual signifiers and some of the mood. And I think when we say it feels like a real 70s film, sometimes that means the subject matter, the performance or the style of direction, but it can often mean that someone's just ripping off Gordon Willis. And that's good, by the way. - That's good. - All great artists, great artists still. So at this point, we have a sense of what it's gonna look like. The tricky part is that all the examples of what we consider to be good films made in the 2020s, we often compare to 70s films. And so I think our definition of 2020s would be just, because of subtraction, like negative. - Yes. - Which is unfair, I guess there are, but if I had to think of examples of like new cinema, like visually that I think is genuinely really exciting, I don't know, I mean, maybe that's a reflection of me that I am yearn for the traditional. - Yeah, I think the signature movies of the century so far is probably in some order, top gun maverick, Barbie, everything everywhere, all at once, Oppenheimer. You know, like with, you know, I'm sure there's a few others that you could throw in there, but just kind of off the top of my head, those are movies, and they're diff, they're all different, right? They're, those are mostly franchise stories, they're pretty heavyweight. This is a very American focus point of view, obviously. I don't mean that those are the best movies, I don't mean that they're the most successful movies, there's kind of somewhere in between. They're kind of like, when you go back, when you get to 2030 and we look back at what this decade represented, I do think that there's something about spectacle and about fusing genres together. - Yeah. - That has been pretty consistent. I think we're in a very, both a synthetic and a synthesis era where everything feels a little bit more, like Barbie is a very kind of created world, right? - Right. Everything ever wants is a very created world. It's a very hyper stylized world. Oppenheimer even is a very stylized movie. It's not a gritty, realistic, naturalistic movie. I think when you think of all the presidents' men or the cine-loomette films from the '70s, those are very on ground level, hard-bitten, naturalistic films in the way that they're shot and in their performance style. Right now, everything is sort of like, there's a kind of extra textual mania in every movie. You know, the mission impossible movies that have come out in the last seven years, Minecraft, these are kind of zany constructions. So I feel like that is a thing and I feel like that is very much the influence of the internet in terms of people's attention spans and the stylistic things that we have seen on Instagram, Vine, Twins, and so on.
Twitter, Facebook, all of these social media platforms over the last 15 years. I feel the influence there. I've personally been super excited by the YouTube influence on movies, and I feel like it's really strong on horror, and we're about to have this stretch this year where you've got back rooms and obsession, and Kyloid, we're ballroom, it's Skin and Marink has another movie coming out, and there's like all of these new filmmakers, I know. I know. Chris, Brian, voice. - I did Sean. Hello, Sean. (laughing) - What's up for me? - But I like that there is, there's like some, there's like some peanut butter getting in the chocolate right now that is kind of messing with what a movie is allowed to look like on a big screen. - Yeah. - That I like, but for the most part, I mean, do you agree with what I'm saying about the big movies and kind of what their character is? - Yeah, I'm both the, like the hyper production, the spectacle of it all, and also, as you said, essentially like the meme or though, you know, the one shot influence reflected back into the movies, and we know that this is gonna be like parceled out, image by image, so people are really kind of Wes Anderson-ing out, but in very specific ways, and that's, you know, that's not always a bad thing. I liked most of the movies that you just mentioned. The other thing I think about, and this is sort of related to the YouTube of it all, but just screens. - Yeah. - And, you know, very obviously like, phones in movies and how that affects on a plot sense, but I mean more in terms of when you see people on their phones or you see the text messages, you see surveillance footage, you see, you know, monitors in like situation rooms, all sorts of just like the presence, you see recreations of YouTube and TikTok, all the ways that we spend our time looking at screens other than a movie screen now have to be reflected back into the movies themselves. And sometimes that's done in an interesting way. Sometimes it's done in an absolutely vile way, but the movies visually trying to get their arms around the internet and all of the ways we're projected around ourselves all the time is certainly a visual signature. - I agree. I feel like there's some filmmakers really have their arms around it, Park Chan Woken particular. I feel like it's done a really nice job with that. - What was the, there was a Soderbergh series that was on HBO a couple of years ago, it was a mini series that Ed Solomon wrote. I can't remember the name of it at the moment. Was it full circle, something like that? - Not mosaic, too. - Mosaic, yeah. - Mosaic, yeah. - Mosaic, yeah. Maybe, no, no, maybe it wasn't mosaic. Maybe there was a no. - I think there was a mosaic. - Mosaic was the Sharon Stonewall. That wasn't the one I'm thinking of. - Full circle sounds, yeah, full circle. - Full circle, yeah. That also I think had an interest in this and this kind of idea of surveillance. And in that way, it kind of mimics the 70s and the sense of paranoia, right? That you'd find in films like The Conversation. And I can feel that coming in a little bit in mainstream movies, not really in blockbusters. It's a little bit more like in that second tier of size of film, but there's definitely some, some of the anxiety of the world is creeping in. I mean, we talked about it a little bit with even just the Academy Award nominees this year, Secret Agent, One Battle, Centres. These are all movies about kind of like, one group coming in to take over another group and doing it in subterranean ways. But I think there's also just a little bit of a nostalgia porn pre-branded thing that is essential to it too. Like F1 is another movie that I think will be, if not memorable, like notable, in the chain of big movies over the last 10 years. And that movie is kind of like a big hash of other stuff. And some of it works really well and some of it doesn't work as well. But you never watched that movie and think like, you've never seen this before. Like I've never seen racing like that before, but I've seen race car movies. I've seen old guys still got it movies. You know, I've seen reinventions of that, you know, hero dynamic. Like all of that seems very familiar. So it feels like Hollywood is kind of figuring, trying to figure out like what people want. And the only time when it really works is when someone truly original comes along and it's like, I have an idea, you know? And Jordan Pill comes along and he's like, I got something or Daniels are like, we're gonna try something. Like that is when things really shake a little. Hopefully that keeps happening. What's next? - Before our next question just wanna let you know, we probably have already 15 advice questions to which I've put at the bottom of the rundown. - Wow. - Just put it on your radar. - Okay. - Incredible. - Thank you guys. - You did it. - Wow. - The next question comes from Michael. In honor of send help and survivor 50, let's flip the classic desert island question around. Instead of what movie you'd bring, what movie would you force each other to have as their only option? Would the idea be they can't leave the island until they finally get it? - Double worst product. - Easy. - Is it over and over again? - Is it that I don't get it? - Yeah. - I don't get it. - And you're resistant to it as well. You don't wanna get it, you know? And-- - I think it's a good movie. - On a desert island. - No, I think it's a good movie. - It could really click for you. - I, you want me to believe it is a five-star masterpiece and you think repeated viewings will reveal that. You don't think I'll turn against it by being exposed to it so often 'cause I don't have negative feeling towards it. - I don't think that you value it. And by definition, this would make you value it in the sense that it's something for you to see the only thing you have. Also, Bill's point stands, you know? You go to Paris, you get a makeover, you're in York, King Colbert. - Tell you something, double worst product, not available in 4K. - Okay. - Let's go in on there. - Let's up with that. - I don't know, maybe those people are just spending their money on other things, like, like, product. - Probably are. The double worst product to trailer ran before Hopper's, curious, I would say, based on the audience in my movie theater. And Alice was like, what's this? - I will let her know. I will take her and we will find out together. - First of all, just a few words on Survivor 50, loving it so far. - Okay. - I think the three-hour premiere was an active evil and I don't support that. Just making any episode of television three hours is not okay. However, just love seeing all my old friends together again on an island. - That's nice. - Just fighting it out. It's a wonderful show. You should get involved. - Has anyone been sent home? - Oh, certainly. Yeah. Well, we've had two tribal councils and one injury evacuation thus far. - Oh, no. - Some poor guy who is a great player named Kyle. I believe you ruptured his Achilles in full, which is not what you want. - No, absolutely not. - It was one of those things where they showed it and in real time when you watched it happen, you were like, no, no, no. - No, no, no. It was like watching sports, right? - You knew immediately it was Achilles. - That was very tough, wonderful. For me, just in keeping with the Sam Raimi thing, I think I'll just give you evil dead too. And you could just sit with it. And you can look at the craft and the creativity, the relationship to send them a history that it has, the wonders of Bruce Campbell's chin. There's so much. Also, Bruce Campbell diagnosed with a treatable but not curable cancer he announced last week. When I sent him, I loved him one of my all-time favorite actors. That was very sad. Evil dead too, just fucking banger. Banger. - Okay. I can appreciate craft. - What's your preferred format on a desert island? Streaming? - Am I building my own theater or does it kind of like, is my preferred-- - Is this the send help island? - Or can we like, you know, airlift in a full couch? And-- - Not sure that's how that's gonna work. - Okay. - How would you remind me, you would do well in the send help environment? - No, no, no, no, no. Because first of all, I haven't watched Survivor. - Okay. - So when we saw send help, you kept, you know, turning me and being like, this is like, they do on Survivor and they do this on Survivor. And then afterwards, I was asking you so like, which skills did you recognize from Survivor? And like, do you, and you have some practical knowledge, I guess? - I don't think I'd do very well. - I would know to like, I need to build a shelter. I need to stay out of this, the sun. - I could build the shelter. I have some concerns about fire. - I mean, also, spoiler alert for send help, I guess. But, you know, if I had the knowledge that Rachel McThe Adam's character has and send help, I'd be great. - Well, sure. (laughing) That's called cheating. Okay, what's the next question? - Our next question comes from Drew. With the Warner Brothers merger, I've been wondering, why don't industry giants like Apple or Disney go after this story studio and all it has to offer? I feel like they've got more than enough money and power to obtain it so I don't get why they never threw their hat in the ring. - I actually invited Tim Cook and Bob on your to join us. So Tim, Bob, come on out, guys. - I was gonna say, I actually did just get my advanced degree in like, debt load management. And so I'm able to explain Disney's balance sheet to you in like, rate detail. Disney. - I mean, Disney's just now digging out of the Fox debt. So they were never really under consideration. - And they have enough of their own stuff that they don't actually need it to compete. - I'll tell you what, there was a lot of talk about game over if the Netflix deal went through. If Disney bought Warner Brothers, that would really be IP game over. Then they would really have the complete war chest of valuable franchises. I don't think Disney was ever on the table. And particularly because they're bringing in a park's chief to run their content business, which I think should tell you a little bit something about how they intend to monetize over the next 10 years. Apple, did we talk about Apple as like, it might have been offline where we were just like, couldn't it just be Apple and make this a little bit more coherent? - Yeah. - That would have been just preferable. - I do think a couple of weeks ago, we were at least talking about, you know, Apple has a or has had a distribution deal with A24 in the past and it was always rumor. - Maybe that was what we were talking about. - Yeah, it was maybe rumored, but that like has never really happened. And it's just sort of unclear what Apple wants. - I think they are enjoying just kind of jinging up their own stuff.
- Yeah. - You know, like they feel very proud of the F1 thing. I think their movie and TV strategy has been like a little hit or miss, but it's kind of hard to just start from nothing. And they have built out like a very credible slate and you go to Apple TV now and you're like, there's a lot to watch here. There's a lot of shows, there's a lot of original films, there's a lot of kids content, and five years, and they can just keep doing it 'cause it's a drop in the bucket for them, right? - Right. - Structurally. And I don't, you know, I'm very curious to see where they go with movies. I wish that they were throwing more behind theatrical movies 'cause I think they could end up doing really good business. And even taking an L would not be that big of a deal for them, but some of it is just reputational on what can be seen. As far as acquiring, I mean, they've been very persistent. I actually think Eddie Q was on the town last year, vehement that he was not, that they were not gonna pursue Warner Brothers, so it was never really under consideration. Could they afford it? Yeah. They would be a big, they would be doing it just to get the IP2, right? I mean, what, like-- - Yeah, but then it's like, what are they gonna use? The IP for it sort of seems like there's a lot of distraction from, you know. - I, here's what I think it would be. - They don't need to sell Mickey Mouse or Batman branded iPads, you know? Like they, they just have iPads. - I think it would be not for the tech and the hardware. I think it would probably be a big experiential shift where they would actually start exploring theme parks. They would start exploring different lines of business that are much more experiential, one-to-one person to person in the real world, which they don't really do. - Yeah. - And that's just a totally different kind of a business and you have to build up a whole infrastructure to do that. That's the one thing with Warner Brothers, and there was talk even of one of the studio lots being transformed into kind of like an experiential playground for people who love movies and TV shows. - Right, I think the Paramount lot, and then they would move to Warner, that's-- - There's some centrality there, but there's no fucking parking there, so I don't know how that would work. But if they wanted to get involved in that business in addition to being able to just have Batman and Harry Potter, I guess I could see that. And also HBO obviously just matches very neatly with what Apple TV has been. - Correct. - Just totally the vibe of the shows, even some of the administration and people, like Richard Plepler advising on Apple content. So that, it would make sense, they didn't want to do it. - Yeah. - So they didn't do it. - You know what I was wondering about the other day, related to Apple, whatever happened to the-- - Vision Pro. - Vision Pro. I was thinking about it 'cause I went to the eye doctor and was basically given a vision pro to do a test. A good version of AI. - Really? - Yeah. - It's a pretty fancy eye doctor. - And then it's our local eye doctor, I recommend them. And then I was like-- - Was it named Jim eye doctor? - Yeah, exactly. And then I was like, oh, I haven't seen or heard from those things in actual years. - I remember that because that was another, like not quite experiential, but their version of experiential, right? And also trying to merge in with video games streaming whatever and that just didn't happen. - It didn't happen. I tested one out, Van Leathen is the only person I know who actually bought one and he enjoyed it. I watched some of a movie and a really unique kind of baseball game experience with the headset. And I thought it was very cool. I can't imagine wearing a headset for hours on end. That's just not something that seems fun to me. - Yeah. - And it is, I just really watch Ready Player One to prepare for this Steven Gilbert conversation that I'm having later this week. And that movie, which I think is pretty cool actually and a little bit misunderstood, is about the hellscape of like plugging yourself in and not unplugging. And so I think that there was some wisdom in that. - Yeah, but I just, I thought of it because their version of experiential is still gadget based because that's ultimately what they are. They are, and the most recent iteration didn't work, but I do still think their business aim is to release another product that they can sell rather than, you know, a Batman theme park. - I think you're right. - What's our next question? - Next question comes from Skylar. My question is related to a comment Amanda made in the Alternative Oscars episode about how she visits the Rebecca Ferguson death bridge every time she is in Venice. - I mean, it's been twice, but it is true. - Every time. - Every time. - Maybe this year too. - My question is simple. Is Venice the greatest film location in the world? If not, what is? - I don't know. I mean, Paris, New York. - It's New York for me. - Yeah. - But that's, you know, I've got some biases there. - I just, like, I just want to put Paris in as a European location. They've done good work. - Absolutely. - No question about it. - The light, just right. - What's the name of that bridge? - Oh, I don't know. I don't speak Italian. Let's see. - Okay. - Venice Mission Impossible Bridge. Why don't you guys? - Venice, yeah, bridge. - Dead reckoning bridge. Let's see the bridge of, hold on. You got this on. - Size. - Hang in there, Mola. - But S-I-G-H-S, not C-Y-S. - Size, like, like, I size. - S-I-G-H-S? - Yes. - The bridge of size. - Apparently. - Wow, that's dramatic. I was not what I was expecting. - I mean, this is an AI thing, so I got it. - I was expecting like, mozzarella, multiple Giano. - Sure, you know, that is not respectful of the Italian people. - Is this, are we on Netflix right now? - I'm not quite sure. - This is going out live. - Let's see. Now I'm looking on Reddit, and I don't, I don't know some people just talking about their opinions of this scene, which they didn't like. So we're gonna go with bridge of size, which apparently also Lord Byron wrote about. Again, this is an AI answer, so it's wrong, most likely. - Okay. - There are a lot of bridges in Venice, so, but there's a little bit of a crowd, but I'm there usually. - I, I'm not in Venice before. I can't say how it matches specifically. I think Rome, speaking of Italy, is also a wonderful movie location. - Rome? - Dynamite. - Love, love, Rome, the city. - Yeah. - Had a wonderful time there. - London, not bad. - London is interesting. You know, we can just name Lord City's Chicago. Is a fine city. You know, think Oslo, I enjoy Oslo. - Have you been to Oslo? - No. - I've enjoyed the cinema, or the Norwegian. - No, I'm just thinking of all of the places where Bond did opening sequences. So Mexico City, that's a really good one. - Yes, I love Mexico City. - Let's see. I mean, we haven't said Los Angeles, break it. - I was just about to say that. Took about a dozen years to get to. - Well, I mean, it was. - It was, and then they stopped looking at shoot movies here, you know? I'm dramatically overrate crime 101, 'cause I'm like, I know what that is. That's very rare to be able to look at a movie and say, I know what that is in 2026. I don't know, I gotta get to Venice one of these days. One's not gonna be. - I don't know whether it'll be this year, but. - It won't be. I've only signed up for tell-you-reacts, so I won't be going to Venice. - Okay. Maybe one of your, it's great. - Okay, what's the next question? - Next question comes from Tim. What is a movie you objectively know is flawed, messy, and maybe even chaotic, but you still defend with your whole heart? - This comes right on the heels of the bride, absolutely tanking at the box office. It's like far worse than anyone could have imagined. I think it was tracking for between $12 and $18 million on Thursday and it finished at $7 million. - You know it's bad when just Jared does its Instagram card and says it's bad news for the bride at the box office and it's like, damn, even just Jared is getting in on the bride. They're not regularly doing box office criticism. - Yeah, it's a very dramatic underperformance for that film. - I skipped this question and my prep and was like, I'll come back to it if I forgot. So you gotta go first. - Well, any time people are like, it's flawed, it's messy, but you know it's perfect. Like no, to me it is perfect, therefore it's not flawed. - And that was actually at the center of-- - Me with the love of actually cards. To me it is perfect. - That's like, I think that I really cotton to a kind of insane, I went for it kind of a movie that doesn't totally come together. I really have a real sentimentality about those kinds of movies. It's why I was defending the bride and pretty much enjoyed my experience watching it while also acknowledging it has a lot of problems. And we talked about Mickey 17, we talked about Babylon, we talked about these movies. - Here comes the mother fucking bride. I realized, as I was falling asleep last night, that I didn't say that on our podcast, but that's the real thing that she says. That's how she ends the prologue. And then it says the bride. And I liked the typeface, like the font that they use. - Very cool. - That's my one nice thing about the bride. There's a somewhat similar question to this about like disasters that we'll get to in a minute. And it feels like they kind of feel intertwined because I don't know, you know, like my easy answer for this is always Congo, which is like the dumbest movie of all time that I think is a five-star classic. - Well, I was about to say triple frontier. - Yeah, that's pretty good. I mean, it's chaotic. I don't know, there is like on the side of a mountain for a while, I'm not really sure about it. The choice is the bedaflex making. - That's just like the guy's making. - Charlie Hanum, like has a breakdown in a publics, you know? - I know, so relatable and holy shit. - You ever been to a publics? - I have, yeah. - Okay. - You don't need to say it like that. That's fine. - How did I say it? - Well, you were just like, I that's the thing that you people in the South have and we don't really care about it. - I did, that's what I said. - You're in this dismissive. - You know what I, the shopping, the supermarket that I think of most of it comes to the South is food line. - Oh yeah. - This is food line when I would visit North Carolina. - Oh yeah. - We would always hit the food line in the first day. - That is where my grandparents in North Carolina shopped always, yeah. - Yeah, food line still kicking around? - I hope so. - Okay, cool. You know what was elite going to college in Ithaca? Was Wegmans? And Wegmans is kind of spread now. - I've heard a lot about Wegmans still have never been. - Wegmans Jack. - That's where I first purchased alcohol under the age of
21 with a fake ID. Congratulations. - Congratulations. - Sam Adams Pumpkin Beer for October. - No, I'm not sure. - This is Sanders' lore. I love it. - I would really like to go to wagons 'cause I really like gross restores and I like gross restore, like, you know, tourism. - Sure. - But I just, I've never made it to a wagons. - I feel like it is expanding. And it was the first, it was, I don't know if it predates Whole Foods entirely, but it was the first time where I was like, this is a lot of fucking gross restore. - Yeah. - Like there were a lot of places to get, and just being like, "I'll just buy every bad junk food that I was not allowed to eat as a kid in my mom's house." Thrilling experience. Anyway, I don't know how we got here. Next question comes from Thomas. What are some upcoming titles that you hope will be world premiering at this year's Cannes Film Festival? Should we make an announcement? Sure. We're booked for Cannes. It's happening. Cannes, 2026. Seanan Amanda. We're going. We're going. We're going. We're going. We have a place to stay. I got to submit that expense report. That's a good reminder. Thanks so much. And I have some outfit concepts as to you. So I'm pretty excited. I am excited. I'm a little nervous. Why? Because this is kind of the last mountain to scale in terms of like-- And you don't feel you'll be like good enough? Why? Just don't know what to expect. It's a lot. It's a very long festival. That is true. That is true. I wanted to do a good job being at the festival. But just given what our job is, it's not really coherent for us to be out for 13 days. So I'm trying to figure out how we can pull that off. And I want to see as much as possible. That's my disease, right? It's trying to knock everything off the list. And that's not totally achievable it can. So I want to just-- Please just properly-- Well, it is. It's very different from what I understand tell you right to be, which is just everyone convenes together for three days and does trust falls and then like we just see films. That's not what it's like. We continue. And I'm assuming that this is a little bit more like Venice. It is also ticketed like Venice. Yes. So I look forward to us up at like 1am on the French ticketing website. But you'll be able to see a lot. You do also bless you. You don't have to file reviews three times a day. I don't, but I want to try to find a way to cover it in realish time. Yes. But that is different than having to go to three press conferences and then file. So I think you'll be able to see a lot. You're right. We're very lucky in terms of the way that we cover the movies and cover the festivals. I'm really grateful that we've been able to figure that out in the way that we have. And I don't want to spoil actually what I think is usually a very fun episode where we convene to talk about what we've seen. And I think we should also divide and conquer a little bit too. Like we should definitely see some stuff that I can't make in vice versa. But there's a lot of potentially great stuff this year. I don't know if there's anything on the like I don't you know the like killers of the flower moon level. No, I don't know that that's sort of like it would be my hope and dream to see the world premiere of blank blank. Or even the year of megalapolis and horizon and a lot of other things that turned out to be fairly disastrous. Right. outrageous misfires. But we're historic. Yeah. See that's a really good answer to the previous question. Like horizon is like kind of a mess. But I enjoyed it. Megalapolis is kind of a mess. But I really need to revisit it because I didn't like it very much. So what is Kevin Costner doing opening zero bond in Las Vegas? What is zero bond? That's just the new listen. He was just at a club opening. With Tom Brady and Alex Earl. Wow. This week. I have some they really need to get that horizon money back. Okay. So Alex Earl and Tom Brady. That's officially happening. They've been they've been seen a lot of the same places. Cool. That sounds great. Um movies. Yeah. I can. We did go through this a bit in January in terms of what we thought could happen. But here's the list that I made. Yeah. Tell me if you have additions. Any other thoughts. The adventures of Cliff Booth. Netflix doesn't premiere movies there. So I assume that's not going to happen. Yeah. But it's Qt and Fincher. Well, it's the summer is the release. It is the summer. And it's not like September 15th. And which we're technically the definition of summer. We don't we don't know either. I don't know. It's on Netflix. We don't know shit. I also don't have any information. So I'm not pretending like I do. I have not talked to going about it. I just think your adventure has history of Venice. Yes. And Netflix is very, very Venice forward. So if they if they wanted to do something splash. Yes. But this would be my number one. Oh, sure. Are you kidding? That would be so exciting. I have to put the way of the wind to the Terrence Malik movie, which has been rumored for seven consecutive years. Some people seem to think this could be the year. I think April 9th is the announcement date. So we have a full month until we find out what's coming. Um, Jack of Spades, the New Joel Cohen movie, which I think I took in the auction. That sounds right. Nicholas Winding Reffens, her private hell will almost almost certainly be there. CR come to can. Yeah. That is. Do you think Chris is watching right now on Netflix? Yeah. I think he has to make his own podcast right now. I will. They're usually wrapped by now. That's true. I will say the last time we know. But the last time we went live, like I heard from a lot of friends and loved ones by a text message. Just noting that everyone's silent right now. So it's a good point. Would you would you say you have a lot of friends and loved ones? It depends on the day. That's exactly how I feel. Don't we all feel that way? Isn't that the mystery of life? Yeah. You know, sometimes you're so alone and sometimes if we're so together, uh, disclosure day, perhaps I'd love it. The new Steven Spielberg film, which I think it'll only come out maybe three weeks or four weeks after cans. That seems definitely possible. Okay. Spielberg has premiered five films out of competition. I think he has only competed for the Palm Dwar one time and it was for his first theatrical feature film, The Sugarland Express. I've been doing a lot of Steven's work. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm excited for her disclosure day too. Oh, I'm also excited for you to talk to Steven Spielberg. Oh, yeah. I'm nervous. Digger? I think that's a Venice. I think you're right. The entertainment system is down. Ruben Osslin's new film. This to me, he's, you know, the Prince of Cannes. So that seems like a no brainer. Also, that means that once again, Kirsten Dunst and I would be sharing the same air. Yeah. How do we get you guys to get there socially? I don't know and I really don't want to force it, right? Because what do I pursue? No, no, no, I have some contact. She's genuinely cool. So she's not, I don't want to be like, hey, this person wants to be your friend. The one time I met her, she was great. We just talked about kids stuff. So she's lovely, but we don't know. Hey, this person wants to be your friend. No one would, you can't be intro that way. Well, I know. I feel like you guys would get along great as something that I like. But like, but any of like the fake, the Hollywood bullshit setup is just not going to work. Okay. You know, so I got a, I got to think smart. Do you like her because she's real talk central just like you? Yeah. Where she's like, we're just cutting through it. Absolutely. Okay. I get that. That's nice. Do you think she has many loved ones and friends? I think she does. I think she does too. So she doesn't need anymore. Okay. Paper tiger James Gray's new movie. I hope so. Speaking of big and France. I don't want to ask him. Shall you mail him right now? James is watching on Netflix. Probably not. Probably not. Does he have Netflix? We should talk about that. 1949, Pobble Pobble Cowsky's new movie. This would be really fun. Is there, there's a naturally a bunch of very exciting potential international films. Fjord also with Renata Rinesva. And oh my gosh, what is Bucky Barnes' name Sebastian Stan. Thank you. Hope Nahong Jins new movie. I haven't seen the wailing in like 10 years. I'm just going to rewatch the wailing before can just in case this movie is playing there. Albers Sarah's out of this world, which is starring Riley Kio, his first English language work. I'm pretty excited about. Is there anything else that you're thinking about that could be there? I mean, I think you took the big one's you think man Oh and Grogu will do a out of competition. Well, when are you going to see it? That's the real challenge. And how am I going to see it with my child? I mean, it's fine. Chris Ryan's taking him as he knows. He says he's not seeing the film. And then I told him that he will be seeing it with Knox, who will be so locked in who's so excited has so many questions. You know, and maybe Joanna and Mallory who have become kind of my like, my like ask jeez, but instead it's ask how to survive questions about the Mandalorian. Interesting. I think of them as service people and not loved ones or friends. They're lovely, but when Knox asked me is Grogu an animal or a human at 530 on a Thursday, what am I supposed to do? And then he follows up with, can you ask the director? That's actually I'm like, I don't know I can't, but these people know they're close enough. Okay. So we'll ask Mallory and Joanna. I never had John Favreau on the pod. Should I pursue that? I guess so. Knox is behind and then I'll present the list of questions. What's been a fan of John Favreau? I don't really, you know, his career has taken a turn that wouldn't be my first choice, but you know, that those early stretch of the swingers story was I commented to me, one of the first screenplays I ever bought was John Favreau screenplay for swingers. Have a mind. It's a little personal. Maybe he'll be in can for the out of, you know, out of competition screening. Yeah. And we can all see it together. I think he's pumped for Fjord. You don't know him. You don't know. I know I know he loves movies. Yeah. I hope he likes Fjord. Any other thoughts on Ken? You're excited. I'd like to go to the cap. Okay. So if you're having a party, just think of me. You probably also we should go on a boat. How are you on C? Fine. I'm from one of them. You're never ever sick at C? No. Okay. Then we'd like to go on a boat. I did I didn't say
I want you. (laughing) - If you're out there, you're gonna be a can. Let us know. - Are there movies playing there? That's the thing I'm most excited about. - Mornings are for movies. Then the evenings are for boats. - Is that how it works? - I would hope that, I mean, I'm just basing this on the Venice of it all, but that all of the, you know, that big movies at least get pressed screenings in the morning, so then you can do the press conference. And then they have like the premiere later at night. That's what I would assume. - Do you feel that you'd like to go to press screenings or premieres? - Press screenings as much as I can. I mean, it would be fun to do one premiere, you know, and just see all the hoopla, but it's inefficient. - I see. Good question. Thank you for asking. All right, Jack, what's up? - Next question comes from Brandon. Every March, especially after the Oscars happen, I like to watch a bunch of baseball movies in the lead up to opening day. What are your favorite garbage sports movies and why don't we get them anymore? - Opening day at my house on Saturday. - Yes, Little League has been gone. - That's right. - I saw the Instagram clip. I'm very supportive of this. - The live drive of the middle. - Yes. - There we go. This is an ace tradition. I like baseball movies, I like sports movies. These are important to my childhood. Like bad movies about sports that aren't regularly broadcast on American television. - I have a bunch of these as well. I didn't write mine down. I will just say, they don't happen anymore because audiences don't show up for them. And this was stock and trade Disney strategy for 30 plus years. That almost every year without fail, there would be a new high concept low execution movie for nine year olds about sports. And you've listed some of them here. Others not listed include the Little Giants, for example. Angels in the Outfield. There were a lot of movies that were like that when I was six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, where you could count on them at all times. And there was definitely a generation, our generation had our stretch of these. And they, I think that they really carried on and extended to people who were in their like 30s, even their 20s. And now it feels like if you're like 15, what are the sports movies of your life? Like Creed? - I mean, you know what I mean? - Creed would be great. If the use are embracing Creed. - Yeah. - The way back. - I mean, that would be exciting. I do remember taking F1. Our littlest cousin, Max, on Thanksgiving to Creed II. Hi, Max, if you're listening. And it's the lights went down. He said, so what happened in Creed I? So I don't think that, you know, that generation, 18-ish is embracing-- - Does Max listen to the show? - Sometimes, but listen, he's in college. She's got a lot of obligations. - What makes you more concerned? Loved ones of which you have many lessons to the show or famous people that you've heard, listen to the show. 'Cause we've now heard some prominent famous people who are listening. - No famous people or no people who work in cinema should ever listen to this podcast, okay? - Why? - Because they know things. So like they, first of all, they know where, they know all the secrets, but like they know how things work. And this is not, this is a fan thing. This is a celebration. You know, I think there should be some-- - Which is a fandom podcast? - No, because I think we're often too mean. But I also don't really feel that artists should read criticism of their work, positive or negative. - Oh, I just want to disagree. - I don't know how you can preserve that. Well, let's see, artists-- - I think people should be themselves. And if they are neurotic and need to see that, at feedback, I think they should. - I think that obviously artists are different from people engaged in a commercial enterprise that has to make money, which movies also are. And you kind of do have to take some of that feedback. - Yeah. - No, I don't think filmmakers should be listening to what we have to say. I think you could just go and create and-- - And make your thing. - And there's listening, right? - Sure, but I don't know. We don't look at the comments. - I hear a lot of people talking about-- - But do I listen? - This is what I'm saying. So famous people, good job on everything you're doing. And I would say to you what I say to the rest of the job, Bob, go outside. - Okay. What were your garbage sports movies? - Cunning Edge, essential. - Yep. - Just absolutely dynamite. Related Mighty Ducks. The Sanla is not garbage, but it's for children. I don't think any of these first three movies are garbage. I mean, they're garbage in the classical, like we love this. - Edge, written by Tony Gilroy. - Yeah. - The Sanla does an A plus masterpiece. - So is the next film Bring It On, which is a straight up masterpiece and is also about a competition, cheerleading. Cher is a fire, which my parents tried to show me when I was like 10. And great, you know, the theme song and the guy's running on the beach, it's very good. It's not really garbage, but also it won best picture over, that's 1980, right? Yeah, so it won over Raging Bull. So I don't know whether we can defend that. - No, no, that was ordinary people. - Oh, that's right. So what did it win over? - I think Charis fire is 84? - 81. - 81, okay. - 81, okay. - And what did it win over there? - Well, I just Googled Charis fire so 19. 1982 Oscars, we got to really standardize this. Okay. It won over Reds. - Yeah, that's tough. - Yeah, that's for me, that's a story. - Yeah, and that was a split. Bady won for directing, anyway. - I don't like that. - It is really funny to follow people around who are running or exercising with the chariots of fire. - Do you like the Vangelis, the theme? - Yeah, of course. It's very beautiful. - Can you run to it? - No, but like sometimes when Nox is on the playground and I'm trying to get him to run somewhere, I play it on my phone and then we run along and it gets him from A to B. - Can I tell you something? - I've been preparing for the To Live and Die in LA Rewatchables, which is recording immediately after this normal day for me. - Congratulations. - And I used to think that the 80s sucked and I used to think that the pop music from the 80 was not interesting and I didn't really like the cinema. I'm coming around. - Listen, Harold Faltermeyer, a god in our house. - Wow. - I don't know what, I know nothing besides his music, so I don't, and his contributions to cinema. So like I don't, don't, don't, don't, don't like bring the politics to me. I don't know, I haven't done that research. Yeah, powerful stuff. - Okay, a couple of others like, - Wait, I need to say Wimbledon speaking of gersenas. - Yeah, Wimbledon stinks, but okay. - I'm so, excuse me. - Tinkup, that's more of your alley also stinks, but whatever. - Stop, please stop, please stop. - Molly's game, she was a competitive skier. That is garbage for the first time. - I've ever seen that. - I've never watched a long. - Garbage, that would be really good. - That would be good. Okay, no one watches those, but it would be great. - Yeah, and then Blue Crush? - Yeah, I don't know if I've seen that. - That was, that was the keyboard word. - Yeah, that was the thing when we were young. Jack, Blue Crush, I've ever heard of it. - No. - Yeah. - There we go. - I mean, a few others like, Miracle is just good, you know? Like that's, but that's kind of in the same zone. Remember the Titans is a famous version of this. - Sure, isn't a list of good sports movies. Those are mainstream sports movies. - What about? - mainstream and garbage. - Cool runnings. - Sure. - Yeah. - That's kind of the big green, the soccer movie. - No, I never saw that one. - You're kind of anti-soccer, aren't you? - No, I'm at soccer practice every Saturday, except what it's my turn to stay home with the sleeping baby. - Thunderstruck starring Kevin Durant. - I haven't seen this. - It came out like seven years ago. - Darring, Kevin Durant. - It was when he was still on the Oklahoma City Thunder. Thunderstruck is a plan words. - And he's the star? - He's the co-star, along with a young boy. - But like how much screen time? How much does the movie rest on Kevin Durant's shoulders? - In that equit amount, a teenage clutz becomes the star of his high school basketball team when he magically acquires the abilities of his hero, NBA star Kevin Durant, but the switch leaves Durant unable to score. - Oh dear. - It's kind of a body swap with NBA. - Did I haven't seen it? - How did I turn out? - What's the body swap movie is terrible? What's the body swap movie with Kirk Cameron and Dudley Moore? - Some of you called it, don't. - I think that's who's the cast. - Like Father, like Son. - Yeah, is that it? Is it no, is a judge Reinhold with Kirk Cameron? - What is this, let's see. No, this is the Father and Son are switching minds in this. - Yeah, okay. - Yeah, that movie's a banger. What's the, is there a judge Reinhold body swap movie too? I feel like there is. - Yeah, vice versa. - Fuck yeah, vice versa is actually the superior film. - Okay. - Vice versa is judge Reinhold and Fred Savage and they body swap. - Wow. - And it is fucking good. Let me tell you. - Okay, we're talking about sports movies right now. - Are we? (laughing) I said Thundersdruck, people were screaming at the TV. I mean, cry kid. - Sure, but like, is that garbage? I guess it is. I don't know whether, I don't, what's the definition of garbage here? Ralph Machia, the pride of Long Island. - Yeah. - Thank you to Ralph, noted Metz fan. - Next question comes from Patrick from Ghana. What recent under scene or underappreciated movies? Do you see it becoming a cult classic in the future? - What do you think about my theory of the holy Trinity of low wattage late 2010s early 2020s romcoms of Palm Springs plus one and set it up? - These are good. Key attributes that they have, if not the next generation of movie stars, but like young stars, we really like Glen Powell, Andy Sandberg, Christina Melotti, Zue Duage is the other and set it up. And then plus one is Jack Wade and Maya Erskine.
Plus one like barely seen at all. So if anyone has not seen that, what a delight. - I feel like we should do a new romcom canon. - Okay. - I was thinking about this and I was like, these are these other movies that I listed here and I'm not saying these are the best answers ever. But I'm like, these already kind of have their own cults. They already, they had like instant cults because of the filmmaker who was attached to whatever. And I remember when set it up came out and set it up as like 2016, it's a long time ago. - Yeah. - But when it came out, I was like, what the hell is this? It was one of the only times I can remember in the last 10 years where I was like, where did this come from? Who made this? Whose idea was this? And probably because it was like based in Portland. - Based on that. - But you know, still there was something in it where I was like, how did this get over the line? Given what was happening in movies at that time. And I do feel that the same vibe is in plus one in Palm Springs where it's like, it's dramedy. There's like real world stakes, but it's kind of silly, you know, in Palm Springs, this case is more elevated because of the time travel concept. - The tricky thing is that these are all direct to streaming. - That's the other thing. - Which there's been no shortage of direct to streaming romantic comedies. Films and TV shows, but like a lot of movies in the last 10 years. - Yes. - Many of them starring our greatest former movie stars. And most of them like quite bad. But it does seem like the high profile, not very good streamers still get all of the attention and where things are directed. - Yeah, no, I think you're right. I think there's like, I think those three movies I listed are kind of like the hidden bridge. - Yeah. - To the kissing booth to all the boys I loved before the Colleen Hoover wave. Like those movies are not really that funny. They're much more in the sort of like romance kind of teen obsession and the other movies are more calm than rom, I would say. - Yeah. - No, they're more vibey. - I guess so. They're just, they're the best word I can come up with. - They're traditional romgoms. Where the people are like opposed. And at war until the very last moment when they like kiss and make up. That's it. And so much about what's going on is the world that it's set in, like the premise, rom springs being like, oh, we're groundhog daying it. But at a wedding. - Mm-hmm. - Also many of these two out of three wedding based. They both start at weddings. Do they end, they don't end at weddings. - Plotful is such a banger 'cause it's so good. - It deploys this really, really well. - I know, but your wedding rule is, would you like to state it? - If your film opens with a wedding good, if it ends with a wedding bed. - Right. - rom springs does end with a wedding, but it's not. - Well, it's kind of a continuous loop of wedding. So it's allowed. And the other things, those are just different genres. Like the kissing booth, it's the team thing, which is very different. And the Colleen Hoover stuff is romance, weird, whatever. So I think part of the reasons that these work is because they are just really traditional structured rockups. - I agree. And if they don't have a cult, I'd like to inspire one. - Okay. Good idea. The rest of your list is good. - So some other ideas I had for this pearl, which I do think is basically a cult movie already. I think the Thai West trilogy is well known and well covered, but that movie in particular, I think has a cosplay quality to it where people are just obsessed with that character. Bottoms? - I just saw that Alex Resperer put a question in here. - Yeah, I put it in there for him. - Bot no, bottom is great. - Bottom is great, but not super well seen. - Yeah. - But I think generationally well seen by younger movie girls. - And also has like Iodepri and Rachel Senate and Molly Gordon and - Hi, Gerber. - Yeah, like everybody, all the people who have been a whole generation. - Yeah, Bo is afraid. - Afraid movie. - That I think will be dramatically reclaimed in the next 10 years. - Okay. - Red rocket. - Loved it. - Honestly, this is the one that I would have picked for all the Oscar Hoseness for Sean. I feel like this is like maybe his best movie. - Salper? - Yeah, but it was also, it was reclaimed as soon as it hit Amazon Prime. - It was watched. - Was anybody like this is actually good? - I think a lot of young people. - What do you think, Jack? - I don't know if a lot of young people were saying it's good, but I feel like it did penetrate like the Gen Z pop culture stream. - Chris Ryan. - He enjoyed it. - Yeah. - Well, he identified with the lead character in the course. - Also like me more than any other Emerald Fennel movie. - For you, that was your favorite of the three. - Yeah. - Better man? - We tried instantly. - Yeah, Yassie's favorite. - Yeah. Malignant, have you seen Malignant? - No, which one is that? - Malignant is a good movie swap. Oh, and Jay, holy cow. Just look up the log line. Actually, don't actually, don't read any of these. - I did it. I looked at the poster and then I said. - It's a James Wan movie that came out during COVID. - Yeah. - When he was like, I'm just gonna put set aside the major franchises that I work on for one minute and just make this bonkers original horror movie and it's crazy. - Yeah. - I added a couple, game night. - I think it's there. - I do think it's there, but it's like, we aren't, we aren't saying it out loud yet. Every single time it comes up, everyone's like, oh yeah, remember how game night was the funniest movie ever made and it still is. It was funny the first time I saw it. It's funny on Rewar. - How can that be profitable for free to lay? (laughing) Oh no! - He died. - Which I realized when we saw sent help, I accidentally, I did that in homage by accident. It was just kind of in my head. Yeah, so challengers I think also. - Yes. - I'll hit though. - Sure, but a modest hit. - Yeah. - And then I was wondering whether Marty Supreme counts for this. - I think the last two are too big and I think that they're great examples of a legitimate power of a handful of people who are under the age of 35. - Yeah. - And we're doing 35 under 35 in April and I'm excited for it. I'm a little concerned about it given the like, some of the new audience we've discovered in the last two years. We haven't done this project in the last couple of years. - Oh, I think all the haters come out for this episode. - It's usually like a really controversial episode. - So you think it's gonna be, you mean that just because of the negativity or because we have young people who are gonna be like, okay, mom and dad. - Both, you know, I think it's coming in all directions. I mean, it's really good, honestly. I like it when it's really noisy like that, but you know, we had a debate about Margot versus Timothy Chalamet the last time we did that episode and you've held tightly to Margot. - Yeah. - Understandably 'cause she was coming right off of Barbie, I think I was pushing for Timothy. - But it was once again, it's reflective of what they've done versus what they're gonna do. So it's like, are we forecasting, where are we marking the moment in time? 'Cause now, yes, you're right, it's Timmy. - And did Margot Robbie cross the 35th episode? - Yeah, she's not as well, so. - Okay, interesting, yes, she's, oh, she's 35, she just turned 35. - Yeah. - Okay. - Next question comes from Day. What would you like to see in the new X-Men movie coming from Jake Shryer? PS, the outfits go hard, Amanda. - Thank you. - Well. (laughing) - I want something that feels familiar but new. - Okay. - I want the Chris Claremont era, yellow and blue costumes. I want the classic team. I want Storm and Cyclops and Jean Grey and Wolverine and Beast and Professor Xavier. And I want to see Rogue, I want to see some of the like, Tier B characters, you know? Jubilee, Archangel, be interested in that. I want to see them fight Magneto. - Okay. - You know, I want to see like a classical X-Men story and I don't want them to have to redo any of the stories they previously done. It would be interesting to see them try to do something brand new. That would be risky. Comic movies don't usually not use source material. I imagine they are because one it like pats the fan on the head, you know? Or they're like, oh good, you age of apocalypse. You like this, you know? Dark Phoenix, you'll enjoy this. And it's also like because they're usually big epic stories. It's very legible for Normie, Amanda. That's pretty much it. I think I could probably personally do 12 consecutive episodes, wish casting, like fan casting who should play the X-Men. Actually, I made an offer to the legendary news and deals text thread, which includes the blank check guys and Alex Ross Perry and a few other friends. Where I'm like, if you guys are all in LA at the same time, we will do an X-Men fan casting episode, but they'll never all be in LA at the same time. So we'll never actually make that episode. What do you want from an X-Men movie? - I'd like for you to be happy. - Okay, thank you. - And I think I mean that both sincerely. And also in the sense that I don't know if I can deal with the level of the breakdown. - The fallout. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this, you know, this will make many waves. It's not just that this movie is bad, but they've been smirched this legacy. And then they, you know, kill the whole studio and lots of people lost their jobs and all for what? For an X-Men movie that does not, you know, make the X-Men man happy. So. - You nailed it, man. That's actually it. It's like when you boil down the Fox deal to its bearest essential, its bearest essential is X-Men. It's got another stuff, right?
We just talked about getting Conan and getting to do alien and predator and getting to do dead bull pool versus Wolverine and fantastic foreign all that stuff, but getting to do. Yeah, remember I don't want to talk about fantastic for it anyway. Um, I think yeah, it will be a crash out amongst Gen X millennial and Gen Z alike because X-Men is very very sacred and very inspiring to young people who discover that comic book because it's a story about outcasts people who are trying to find each other found family in favorite. Um, but it actually literally is that it's a find a family. Yeah, it's about figuring out like what makes you special instead of what makes you different. And that's a beautiful way of telling a story. I really think X-Men is very very intellectually deep in a way that is uncommon for for a lot of comic books and also very legible for young kids. So I like it. After seeing Thunderbolts, do you think Shryer has the right sensibility for the material? I do. I, you know, I think that movie is now maybe a bit underrated relative to what comic book movies have been since 2019. Um, it's by no means perfect, but I do think he he has a background in YA and X-Men is YA, you know, it's about it's about young kids going to school and figuring out their powers. I like that. I obviously prefer Spider-Man to all the other. The kids, teens are the right entry point. Also, Si can say Spider-Man now just so you know, so the problem is you can't have teen Wolverine. Why not? Because he's just not a teenager, you know, like Logan, weapon X, he was like a man. Oh, I see. When they put the Adamantium in his body. Okay. And they don't time travel. They do time travel. Well, there you go. You want old, well, they did old Logan and younger X-Men, right? Didn't they already do that? And no, you guys remember there you go. Days of future past, right? Isn't that what happens in that? I'm fairly certain. That's what happens in that. Okay. Do you see that one? Is that the one where they go to Argentina or whatever? No idea what you mean. Anyone? Are you thinking Michael Fassbender? Oh, that's first class. Yeah. That's not that one. All right. They go to Argentina. No, I don't know where they go. Somewhere. All right. That's a generous question. Thank you, Day. Next question comes from Tom from England. On longer journeys, I have started downloading a movie. I have seen many times and then play the audio only through my car speakers. If you were to do this, which movie would you choose? Probably Network because I can do Network Word for Word. I was going to say a few good men. Another movie I've memorized large chunks of. Exactly. And also, you don't really need the visuals. Yeah. It's a lot of there's not a lot of empty air. There's something to a movie that you can listen to. I shared this with you recently. I don't think I said this on the show. I watched the movie Nuremberg on December 24th, 2025. And here's why I did it. One of obviously cramming for the year end movies. I think Nuremberg is on Netflix. Are you haven't seen it yet? No, I keep forgetting. It's probably worth a chat at some point. Did you keep saying this? But then there are all these other movies. Can we put it on the movies we messed up? Yeah. Okay. Great idea. I won't say anything about it, but here's how I watched it. I was building a five-foot-told dollhouse for my daughter. Spoiler alert Alice Santa is not real. She's not listening. So I'm building this dollhouse on Christmas Eve. And it was an ornate complicated act. It's quite impressive. It is a very large edifice. Does it close or is it? It does not. It's just kind of like the very Tony Collette and hereditary. Yeah. The miniatures are there. And we have a demon who obviously is living in her home. And so you know, I couldn't really see the TV while I was building it because it was so tall. But I had Nuremberg on. And I found Nuremberg to be an amazing movie to listen to. Because it's just people yelling at each other in rooms and over-explaining the state of the world. Yeah. I'd want another. And so what I heard, I found an enjoyable way to pass the time. When I was seven or eight, I got really into and we would drive a lot to see both my grandparents lived in Tennessee and North Carolina. And so this was in the olden days before I Pads kids. And I would get books on tape. But what I liked was not just the narrated audiobook. They were like audio plays of Agatha Christie. Oh cool. Mysteries that the like I think it was the BBC. They're amazing. And they can still you can get them on Libya or whatever. I really recommend them. But they had the same, you know, there were people do it was kind of like a pretty home companion. They had people doing sounds and people doing like enough of a theatrical. Interesting to set the vibe. And it was sort of like listening to a movie. They're great. I recommend that. But I guess you could also just listen to Miss Marple on without looking at it. Semi-related. Have you read a Saito Matsumoto's Tokyo Express? I don't think so. Eileen was was eyeing this recently. And it's sort of it's sort of an Agatha Christie ask Japanese detective novel that apparently is very good. Oh no, I haven't read this one. Okay. I figured if someone had read it, you would have read it. Next question comes from Brandon. What is your most memorable movie theater experience ever? I vividly were call seeing there's something about Mary. Which I did with 10 friends. Oh, that's cute. And we were huge, huge, huge, fairly brothers and and and Jim Kerry and you know, like super slapstick comedy fans. And I don't know if Buzz worked differently at that time in history. But the the pre-release buzz on there's something about Mary probably powered entirely by trailers and commercials was like this will be the funniest movie that ever touches your soul. And at the moment it was like it was like going to see fucking Led Zeppel under something. Were you reading entertainment weekly by then? I was. Yeah. So that's part of it. Well, I probably was like the plug for all that stuff. Yeah. So but then you started and then you're like, no, we really got it. We got to do this. It was pretty pretty electrifying. Got to be honest. I was a teenage boy living on Long Island. You know, what do you want? That's beautiful. I'm trying to think so. As a child, I remember going to see Clueless Atlantic's Mall with my mother. I was 11, 10 turning 11. And just remember being like, wow, I'm allowed to get to see something this quote unquote grown up and also movies can be like this. I also remember seeing a year later, Jeremy McGuire with my mother, which was a pretty scarring experience because of the sex scene. I remember seeing the American president with my dad multiple times in theaters. So that's sort of a, I think we saw it four times in theaters. Okay. Four times you both went together. Yeah. Wow. We just we really liked it. It's very sweet. Well, yeah. He likes movies. That's when a centrist liberal America was still possible. 1995. That was the end of it. But so I guess 95 big movie here. Let's see. And then as a grown-up, I'm trying to think I think a lot about the Irishman premiere that we want to. Yeah, which was great. At the Chinese theater in Hollywood and was like a big deal and very fancy and everyone was there. And then wound up being one of the last big premieres that we went to before COVID. So the great call. And but and I also just remember like the end of that movie and in the still of the night, like playing through the Chinese, it really, really works. So and then I remember taking my son and your son to sing it in the rain and your daughter to sing in the rain at videos. They went where's my son? Give me back my son. And then they all started dancing in the front during the actual song singing in the rain. That's very, very sweet. It was really, very special. Yeah. I have more recent adult ones for me. I mentioned this on our 25 or 25, but I was at the New York Film Festival premiere of the social network in September 2010. That's such an incredible. I took Alice to see Wish when she was barely two years old. And I watched something happen that happened to me that is just unforgettable. And it's like a huge part of our relationship right now, which is very special. I don't know, more recent fair. I'm trying to think of what's a like an exciting festival degree. Oh, Uncut James, a teleriot. Yeah. That was fucking electric. And it was amazing because 25% of the people were there left because they were like, this is disgusting to me. And the other 75% of us sickos were absolutely vibrating. Good question. Okay. What's next? Next question comes from our good friend Alex Ross Perry. He asks, I wanted to know if you and Amanda have to take those passport style photos that serve as the banner for every episode by looking at the camera and giving a big old smile every single episode. And if so, do you do it at the beginning or end of the recording? What, you think AI is doing this? You think we're just changing our little outfits with the AI every time? No. Of course we do it. We do it at the end. Here's the alternative. Alex Ross Perry. It's a thumbnail that is of a screen grab of you frozen at the most heinous facial expressive moment that you possibly could make. And then the green goblin Photoshopped into every single like around you like five of them trying to eat you. And then it just shows up. And it like pops out at you a YouTube or Spotify. You're just going about your business. You're trying to hit raffee, you know, to please your children. And then your face being eaten by the green goblin going
- Yeah! It's just frozen there. - It's made that the same shot. - Yeah. We do a direct-to-camera thumbnail, Alex Ross Perry. We're gonna do it after this one. - I don't do a big ol' smile. - Sometimes on NBA Group Chat, you know, they're getting light snazzy with the little-- - Yeah, figure guns, sure, yeah. - Yeah, everything. - Should we do like this, like, one time, you know, just some dance moves? - Oh, like, Pulp Fiction or whatever? - Yeah. - No, because then, communially once the photo exists, it gets taken out of context, right? - That's a very good point. - So when I have enough out of my control, being live on Netflix as we are right now, so that's my one attempt to our direct this. What should we do with our thumbnails? Anyone have any thoughts? - I don't care. Here, you know, I've been on the watchables on video for some time now, and every single photo of me promoting an episode of the watchables is me awkwardly laughing at something Chris has said. Every single time, they're like, this is gonna be gold guys. We'll just put Sean right in the middle, and he'll look like a freak. And you know what, that's showbiz, baby. You know, like, what can I say? That's just how it works. Okay, what's next? Thanks, Alex. - Next question comes from Jeffrey. Jaffrey or Jeffrey, I apologize. - It's Jeffrey. - I recently saw Charlie Kaufman speak at Sinectady, New York screening at Yale, and was reminded of how much his work changed when he started directing his own screenplays, with every best director when he're dating back to the 2013 Academy Awards, having written or co-written their films, and all five nominees writing their own films this year, is something being lost in the old way of a great screenwriter turning over a script to a great director. - This is a great question, and a wonderful observation about how things have changed. I personally, I think you too, were otorus. We love people who conceive and imagine and build all from the whole cloth. However, - Well, the reason that we're so excited about that is because we came of age and came to love cinema in the great heyday of our, wonderful directors taking great scripts from screenwriters and turning them into this classic, they don't make them anymore, like us anymore studio fare. So we were excited by what was new and what the younger generation was doing. And I think we'll all still really feel that way, and there's nothing, I think both of us more exciting than someone who just has like, who has it all in their head, they see it. And they've written it, they know what it's supposed to look like, they understand it, that it is kind of the closest you can get to film as a sculpture or a painting or as like fine art. - Yes. - So I do really value that, but also like Aaron Sorkin is directing the social reckoning, like why God help us? And that is someone who wrote the screenplays for some of my favorite movies that were then directed by Rob Reiner and David Fincher. And it's like, and now he's just doing it by himself. So. - I think there's two reasons. - Yes. This is a very interesting question to me. I've given this some thought in the past too. One of the reasons is because obviously the studios are not taking the chances on those kinds of stories that you were talking about that are written by screenwriters. And it's just much harder to submit, it was much harder up until about two years ago to just submit a spec script and hope that anything could happen. The idea of a movie like send help getting made is super exciting, 'cause that just came from two veteran screenwriters who'd been writing movies for decades. And that's a movie that they had written, I don't know how many years ago it was 5,6,7. And Ramy was like, I'll do this one. And that's kind of how the business should work, like 30% of the time. Yeah, where there's just a good idea floating around and someone grabs it who has a lot of skill and they can transform it into something. It feels like that business is coming back. We were raised in the Shane Black era, right? Where Shane Black was writing these mind blowing screenplays and selling them for a million dollars. And that person was venerated in the same way that William Goldman was venerated before. That William Goldman never directed a movie. Sorkin obviously working in the same tradition. I think it's coming back a little bit. The specs sales are up this year. It's just really cool. Kaufman's a really good example. I like his films as a director, but I do not like them more than when he's working with Spike Jones. And him and Spike Jones together to me is, as magical as it gets. In fact, I was listening to the How to Live in Die N' LA commentary track with William Friedkin last night. And he was talking about his favorite films of all time and what they all did. And he'd listen to handful of movies. All about Eve was certainly one of them, but there were a couple of others. And he said, the things that these movies do is, you have no idea where the story is going and they surprise you. They upend your expectations and they surprise you. And he said the best modern example of that is when Charlie Kaufman and Spike Jones get together. And I was like, that's such a random coincidence that that was part of that question. I think sometimes great screenwriters, one, they're not as trained in the art of filmmaking. So when they try to take their hand at it, like someone like Aaron Sorkin, he didn't train as a film director and a film director is an artistic craft. And I find that he's a little bit lacking stylistically to those who have worked on his films before. There's also just something going on with the marketing and primacy of the one guy or the one girl. And like movie studios have latched on to this very wisely where it's like, this is a Christopher Nolan movie and that is the selling point. - As our friend, David Sims, wrote recently, I mean, and as we have been discussing, movie stars are long gone, replaced by Batman and Spider-Man and Harry Potter. And so David observed that now it is the director that gets sold as like, this is the, it's a star vehicle but it's a star vehicle for Christopher Nolan or Greta Gerwig or Edward and Peele. - This is not a mistake. This is something that movie studios have learned through market research and looking at the audiences because as movies get smaller, the people who go consistently are sickos and they are signing up for brands. And those brands are not as frequently stars. They're much more these people who create. It's like being really interested in an author and buying any book that they write. It's the same kind of fandom. I'm obviously one of these fans too, so I relate to it, but it has come with the expense of the stock and trade screenwriter. And that's a little sad. Yeah. What's next? - Next question comes from arena. After watching the studio, I rewatched the player and I was wondering, what are some of your favorite Hollywood satire movies? - There are a lot. I know you made a long list of many of the classics. I added a couple. - The top three classic Hollywood additions of this or Sullivan's travel singing in the rain and sunset blow art. Presumably, if you're listening to this show, you've heard of those movies. They're three of our favorite movies. We talk about them all the time on the show. They all, I think, operate in a different register of satire when it comes to Hollywood and achieve their ends in different ways. - We should also say that since the player was mentioned in the question, it's not also on the list, which would be a top four. It would be a matter of Russian or a situation. - Yes, no question. Handful that I thought of, Hail Caesar, Chopic Thunder, Hollywood Shuffle. The loved one is a little bit of an underrated one that's a Tony Richardson movie from the 1960s that has a lot of fun. Alper Brooks is the muse, Bo Finger, speaking of Criterion, there's a great addition of Will Success, Spoil Rock Hunter, starring Jane Mansfield. I think it's very funny, state and main blazing saddles, especially like the last 20 minutes of Blazing Saddles when it becomes clear that they're inside of a movie. Been thinking about Blazing Saddles a lot, 'cause I'm thinking about Mel Brooks, who's turning 100 and his career is really deserves as much a claim as it can get while he's still with us. What else did you add? - Speaking of Spike Jones and Charlie Kaufman adaptation, which is the satire of many things, but screenwriting is certainly one of them. And then Notting Hill, which may have a sweet ending, but is pretty acidic about movie stars and certainly about Alec Baldwin as a movie star. - Yes, did we ever do an episode about Hollywood Sad Tires? - I think so, but maybe during the pandemic. - Okay. - But we could go back. - Okay, let's keep going. - Yeah, are we gonna talk about hoppers? - Yeah, let's keep buzzing. We're gonna do two more questions. - Okay. - Should I make one of them life advice? - Yes. - Okay, last movie related question comes from Kyle. What films really capture the people or culture of the city or state you grew up in? - There's a whole history of Long Island cinema, many of which get it very, very right. No movie gets it more right than the Wolf of Wall Street. - Yeah. - Which doesn't take place entirely on Long Island, but it captures the Long Island aggro, bro. Better than any movie I've ever seen. Married to the mob in Goodfellas are sort of antecedents for this. They are like, much more in the sort of like the production design, the vocal intonations of people, the relationships that they make. First half of Married to the mob, second half of Goodfellas, you know, that sort of like, when they're in the suburbs, moments of those movies, Steve Buschemmie's film Trees Lounge is an all time Long Island classic and as somebody who spent a lot of time in bars with his dad as a kid. That's what it's like to be in a bar. How heartless trust, unforgettable. It was Frank Oz's In and Out, starring Kevin Klein was shooting in Northport, which is one town over for me when I was a teenager. And there was a huge flurry around that movie when I was a kid. And I remember very well and it takes place on Long Island. No hard feelings?
in Montauk, which I think is a really good, like, the locals in the beach town, you know, in the in the tourist town representation, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind, a lot of long Island Railroad in that movie, Final Destination 1. Yeah. You know, hey, just sad Jets fans getting annihilated by death. And then the cinema of Ed Burns. Sure. You know, especially the brothers McBullen. Have you seen the family McBullen? I haven't. I'll watch it. I'm a Burns completist. I'm a fan of the film. No, I've had Burns. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And just choice to Mary Chrissy Teurelink, to go jump. I'm a fan of that choice as well. They put Tracy Ellis Ross in the mix there too. She's joining the McBullen fan. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to see it. I'm intrigued. It's on HBO Max. Okay. What's Atlanta? So the thing about Atlanta is that now every movie is filmed there, but not that many, like, good movies are set there. Yeah. So to get the vibe and to movies actually that represent Atlanta, I'm sorry to say that gone with the wind represents. Well, listen, it happened there and Atlanta is like, has been and you feel that was when it was at the best can be a very racist city. And then the other historical one I thought of was Selma, which obviously is in Alabama, but Dr. King was from Atlanta. Like a very important part of the fabric and history of Atlanta. And also John Lewis is featured pretty prominently in Selma. And that was our Congress person for many years growing up and like, I've absolutely an legend. So those are Atlanta historical. Then present day, drum line. Yeah. You know, and the like HBCUs. And I believe that it's like a made up one in Atlanta. Mm-hmm. Nick Cannon. And then the C.D.C. back when it existed. Yes. C.D.C. is important. It's there. I went to summer camp near the C.D.C. for many years and I'm healthy and thriving. And I believe in a vaccine. Yes. So you have many friends and close love. Yes. And then I mean, every Marvel movie, I guess. I don't know. So Black Panther starts in with a heist at the high museum of art. And I, it's not identified as the high museum of art. Of course. I grew up two blocks from the high museum of art. And I went there all the time and played in the front lawn all the time and then the library where I went to story time was right across the street. So I didn't witness any heists in my time. Nor did I meet any superheroes. Okay. Eric Kohlwanger, not exactly a superhero, right? Web well thwarted. I guess. Yeah. You know, and he's angry about it. He's trying to steal it back. That's true. Uh, I don't know Atlanta. It's good. It's good. It's good and it's bad. Okay. You had a tough experience, but you weren't properly in the city of Atlanta. So, no. Long Island is I feel the same way. It's good. It's bad. It's like any place. Okay. What's our last question before Chatton Hopper's a little bit? Last question. Live life advice with Dustin. He writes in. I recently ordered an engagement ring for my longtime girlfriend, but I've been struggling to come up with a fun and meaningful way to propose. We're both cinephiles and are going to TIFF for the second year in a row this fall. Should I work our love of cinema into my proposal? What do you think? I mean, yes. Absolutely. I mean, yes. Absolutely. It's like, I don't think where are you on a public proposal? It's not what I would do. It's not what I would do either. It's not what happened to me. And I don't think big fan of TIFF excited you guys were going, but I like, we shouldn't be trying to run out like a screen, you know, to do some sort of, will you marry me public sort of thing? I just, I wouldn't, I couldn't do it. I'm in a good conscious. Let's just, let's just game it out. Well, I don't know. I've never been to TIFF, right? I've never been to Canada. You book a friends and family only mass screening of Maggie Jell and Hall's The Bright. The greatest love story ever told. And then you and your gal come out and you introduce the film, you know, you say, "Hey, my name's Dustin. This is Maggie Jr. We're madly in love with each other. Yeah. I'm the inspiration of our love to monsters trying to make their way across the United States of America or Toronto, I guess Toronto and Canada. This is a Canadian story. And I guess Niagara Falls figures prominently in the film. Oh, yeah. That's right. That looked real fake. And after the film is over, stick around. We've got a special surprise for you all. No, no, no, no. I mean, what you have to do is you either have to get in touch with Jesse Buckley's people and or film your own drop in and instead of here comes the mother fucking bride or you want to cut the film? Yeah, yeah. And then you either listen, you've already rented out a friends and family screening for the bride in Canada. I can't recommend any of that. No, I don't, you know, I don't know. I don't think public. But what's like a small thing that you could do for movie night? I mean, let's see. I don't, I don't, I honestly, it's great that you have shared interests. A gimmicky proposal. You don't really have to do it. Do something from the heart. I still don't remember anything my husband said to me during the proposal because I was so surprised and I like sort of blacked out. Wow. He says it was nice. I'm sure that was. I said yes. Did you fear dying alone? No. I didn't. But you know me either. I just just was asking you know this story. This is that we didn't really, we didn't have a conversation about it. It's not like I picked out a ring or anything. We had one conversation about my very ambivalent feelings about the institution of marriage because of, you know, previous events, child of the horse. No more to what you mean. Sure. All of that. And like, and nothing happened. And six months went by and then just like at an hour. So I didn't remember. And that was nice. I thought it was very romantic. One of the most romantic things that you can do, even though I think marriage is like a pretty weird institution and primarily a business arrangement. One of the most romantic things you can do is ask them one to marry you. So just do that. Just do it. Like do it meaningfully, probably not in public. I don't know if you need a photographer hidden, but that's up to you. And then you can go see a movie. That's good advice. Let's leave it there. Thank you for all of these wonderful questions. We had a bunch more, but we just didn't have time to get to them. We will be doing another mailbag immediately after the Academy Awards. So maybe some of these questions can float into that mailbag. That will be about the Oscars though. We're almost entirely. Yeah. But you know, maybe we'll just sprinkle in some other stuff for fun. You know, just to keep it loose. How are you feeling about your 2027 Oscar picks? It's only 11 and a half months away. It's going to be great. I think it's a really good idea. And they should keep pushing it back. Hoppers is directed by Daniel Chong. It's his first feature for Pixar, though not his first feature film. It's written by Jesse Andrews and the story is by Chong and Andrews. The voice cast includes Piper Certa, Bobby Moynihan, John Hamm, Kathy Najimmi, and Dave Franco. The story is as follows, when scientists discover a way to transform human consciousness into robotic animals, Mabel uses the new technology to uncover mysteries of the animal world that are beyond anything she could have ever imagined. What did you think of hoppers? I had a nice time as did my four year old son. It was a little convoluted. Is it not? It is. It's the little end. It is. The Sistine Review was delivered by my son, maybe 25 minutes into hoppers. When he just said very loudly, this is not hoppers because he had not seen any of the animals advertised on the billboard just yet. And very shortly thereafter, King George the beaver and all the other animals of the animal kingdom showed up and he was very excited. I don't think he could tell you reliably anything that happened in the film hoppers afterwards. But spending time with animals and trying to be a force for good in the world. I'm pro. Yes. I'm with you. I like this movie. Yeah. I thought it was perhaps the most laugh out loud funny Pixar movie in a long time. I thought it had really good jokes. Yes. It had a couple of real gasp moments. There's one in particular where one character is eliminated. I was like, oh my. That was funny. It was great. It was a great moment. There's a handful of moments like this that are surprising and played for laughs. And the slapstick of it is very good. I think the voice performances are great in this movie. I thought Dave Franco and Merrill Streep in particular were excellent. It's crazy to just be saying Merrill Streep and hoppers, but she's in there. It is ornately plotted. And I would say, I don't want to say it's challenging for a little kid, but I'll tell you this in the same way that Knox had a reaction 20 minutes in about an hour in Alice who I would describe as a high level plot understander given that she has like a real mastery of the Star Wars universe at four and a half years old turned to me one hour and she said, Dad, what is this movie about? I couldn't answer that succinctly and quietly for her in the movie theater, but I think, and you know what, maybe for eight-year-olds.
It's super easy to understand, but because of the experience that we find ourselves in, as parents going to see these movies, I'm watching it through her eyes a little bit more, and it's okay for them to not understand every plot detail. But this is a wacky plot. Yeah. To be fair to Hopper is my son can't really recount the plots of anything that he sees. But it is, it's a hat on a hat on a hat on a hat on an animatronic beaver or a robot beaver. I just, you know, I don't want to get the technology wrong. It's a robot with the power to accept consciousness in a real battle with my son over whether robots are good or evil and really about drones and whether drones are good or evil. I'm obviously anti drones in all cases. But and he is a contrary opinion is just like drones. Yeah, I'm into it. I like them. You don't like them, but I do because I think he likes that when they're flying around at the park. Of course. And then robots. He's very interested in Siri. That's very complicated. You know, he likes to talk to Siri. So I didn't love it when robots were lionized in this film. But but it was so confusing. It like it was a robot for such a short period of time that I think it really just passed over an oxyside. I didn't, I personally didn't find the actual plot confusing to understand like as an adult. No, I don't think it's, I think most people will understand the movie. I think for young kids, it's just a lot of information. It's just a lot of jumps. Yeah. And it's also, I mean, it's like, it's also a few different kinds of films. Like it is kind of a body swap body horror movie in a way. It's also like a conservationist comedy. You know, it's very thorough. Ralph Waldo Emerson in terms of how it thinks about like the transcendental relationship to nature and how fulfilling and powerful that can be for the young mabel character and her relationship with her grandmother. I find that's going to be very touching. Yeah, very classical Pixar. You know, very similar. There's a 10 minute very moving prologue about loss. Yes. That animates the, sorry, that does animate the rest of the film. Literally. Pun intended, I guess. I also like, especially young mabel, I loved. I really would have liked a whole movie about young mabel. Yes. She then she turns into a teenager, which I guess you have to be to have access to the research lab where they're turning into, I get it from a plot. But I was really into angry seven year old mabel trying to free all the reptile pets in her classrooms. Yeah. I think there's something interesting too about how old is the kid in the story that you're telling for a Pixar film? You know, in L.A.O. I think he was maybe like eight or nine and this movie mabel is a teenager. Yeah. She's an activist teenager. And that is, that has got to be the oldest lead. She's living on her own. Pixar movie, short of soul, I guess. She goes to school. She goes to college in Beaverton. She doesn't always attend her classes, but she's college age. Yeah. And so that choice, I think, leads to kind of a naturally little bit more elevated experience where this kind of like, this collision of science and the real world and politics, the initially the villain of the film is a Gavin Newsom-esque mayor named Jerry voiced by John Ham, who is up to no good. He's trying to build a bridge and in doing so, he is sending the wild life racing away from their natural habitat. And so that's really what Mabel is trying to preserve. And there's like a couple of things about this movie that I didn't totally click with. Clearly like Mabel is trying to make some chaos to transform the human world to let the animals return to their safe place because she believes that they should have their own sanctuaries and they shouldn't be disrupted by humans. And also she has this emotional connections, our family, and the way that she kind of came to understand herself and be more at peace by being in that world herself. So then she's like kind of setting up an animal plot to undermine the humans, but then she accidentally kills the queen of the insects. And when she does so, all the creatures want to go kill a politician and Mabel and they go on a mad spree. And then one of the butterflies son grows up to be an evil butterfly king. Titus, yeah. Titus. And then he goes into the robot body of Jerry once they've been cat like it's a very yeah, there's it's just going in a lot of places and it's a lot of it's a lot of plot in the final 40 minutes of the movie. And then the movie has a naturally like sweet conclusion like the bad guy was eliminated and the other bad guy learned a lesson and then we're going to clean up this place after a forced fire, which is a little that was tough. Yeah, I was thinking about when the when they finished like script development on this because I mean these movies take years to make obviously so, but just were a year out of wildfires here in Los Angeles and that was unfortunate to see my wife said something about it immediately afterwards. And then Jerry's just like cleaning up the forest and he's has a lost office despite all the terrible things that he's done and it's like, okay, we got this. You guys we can conserve the environment. I don't know. I was left a little like I guess this is solved then thanks hoppers and like and you get a job at the local research thing, but we can't be animals anymore. So instead the professor has a whole whiteboard of other ideas of things. So science continues, but like in harmony with nature. Yeah. I know. I don't I don't know. I mostly just laughed at the animals like like my child did. Yeah. The jokes are good. Yeah. And it's very entertaining. And like and the I did think it was notable that to me, the funniest joke was about an iPhone and about using voice like voice to text or text of voice and emojis and emojis. And but we've you know, a lot of yeah. But like and not that's the only thing that knocks remember is as soon as I start going beaver beaver beaver, he remembers the potato punchline. So it works. I thought Bobby Moynihan was really funny. And the like the George character has the classic like I would buy it, you know, a stuffy, merchandiseable. I'm rooting for this person. Very funny, endearing. I thought the ways that their expressions, but their and their eyes changed depending on whether they were like talking between animals and yeah. And so the thing the neat child thing of wouldn't be fun to be an animal and be able to talk to animals, which I you know, all children or most children do feel I thought they realized really well. I just everything else was involved. I say that, but we sat next to like two grownups on a date to see the Pixar movie in the middle of the afternoon, which is really cool. And I was mostly nervous about making sure that my child, you know, behaved appropriately. Yes. But it did remind me that these movies have the burden of like a much wider audience now. They have to support both audiences. Yeah. They really do. It's a very good point. Yeah. I think so Chong shared a kind of like 2D animation preview of what the film looked like at an early stage. And it was a pure Miyazaki style hand drawn experience of two beavers going up the river. And it was beautiful. And we don't know how the movie would have poured it over in that way. But I do think that there's something in the like hyper mania of kids movies. And that extends to good kids movies like this like Sutopia to like these are pretty good movies. But there's something like really antique about them that you don't find in a Miyazaki movie. And I wonder what this movie would have been if it had removed a little bit of the like robot chaos mania. Sure. And been a little bit more ground level. A little bit more ponio. If it would have been a better movie. And frankly, if Chong might have been like almost more well suited to that, I can kind of feel just like pop to miss Pixar stuff going on in the film at times. It's not like it doesn't make it bad. But it did make me wondering about the alternative. And you can feel it in the pacing. And the they both just it does have jokes every few minutes. But it's almost like it's the kid version of the Netflix. Make sure that you have something that you have to look at the screen at every five seconds because people are going to be looking away. And so it's just over here over here over here. And it worked. You know, my kids sat happily. But it it felt overstuffed. And it kind of just you can really feel the divide between okay, we're putting this stuff in for the bigger kids and the grownups. And we're putting this stuff in because we know we have to get a new younger audience. They are not cohesive. Yeah. I found with a lot of these movies, I can feel I can hear the noises of 15 adults in a room like negotiating between what's going to work at what time in the movie. And that's just a product of having seen every single one of these multiple times and really liking a lot of them. But it's very hard to go back to a like a more innocent viewing experience of seeing Toy Story for the first time or even though I was like a probably 13 at the time, they're just felt like something like something extraordinary that had never been done was happening. But just the use of that 3D animation style at that time felt so novel. And now that has been the experience we've lived in for 30 years as animation consumers. And so when I saw that 2D image, I was like, there's there's a reason why Miyazaki movies still feel special and still feels different. And there's a reason why spider verse still feel special because that's different than this. That is that the texture of those movies is unlike just what every Pixar movie looks like. You mentioned Luca earlier, Luca is one of the few Pixar movies that looks totally different.
like the visual palette is so dramatically different. I don't mean to dump on the movie. I think it's like very good. And I'm glad that it's successful and doing well. But I had some, no, and I've seen it twice now. So I had some time to kind of mull it over and kind of work through like, how much did this really follow through on all of its intentions? - Yeah. I don't know that it has real lasting power in the mind of the people in my house either. Like I know it has not been brought up several times. But at like once since we saw it. But Mandalorian and Grogu lives run free. And I did also forget that the movie theater we went to had like Zootopia to popcorn buckets still out. They just have them all. They're making popcorn buckets for everything apparently. - Yes they do. - And. - About to get that skin and marine popcorn bucket. - My son was like begging me like, please, please can we have this? Please, he was holding it, you know? 'Cause it's just a friendly snake. And that's-- - And you did it. - That's where he is. No, of course not. (laughs) No, we're making a put that. - On his head. - I have to our consumption. We got popcorn and then when the movie ended, I'll say, can I have M&Ms? So we just got M&Ms after the movie. - Oh, that's really nice. Not trying to buy me peanut M&Ms 'cause he knows I like them. - That's true. - And he kept me like, mama, I really wanna get these for you. Mama, can I get them? I was like, this is a generic act. - Yeah, but it's self-serving. But I appreciate the creativity of trying to think that he can buy us for me. And then, yeah, it's smart. Anyway, he had a nice time. - How did you feel our live experience went? Did this break two minutes in and we don't know? - Jack? No, it's good. - It's all good. - It's working. - We're still on Netflix. - Who's watching? My mom, my girlfriend. - Is president Trump watching? - I really, really hope. - This has been a great episode of The Big Picture. Thank you to Jack Sanders, Lucas Kavanaugh. - Yeah. - Yeah, thank you to our producer, Jack Sanders, for navigating these live waters. Thanks to Lucas. Thanks to everybody here at Spotify, who helps make this happen for us. We appreciate it. This was a road test for next Sunday's episode. - Sunday. - That's not our next episode. Our next episode is on Thursday. We're gonna be making our final Oscar predictions. - You're gonna wait till Thursday to put it up. Are you sure you're not gonna say put it up as soon as it's ready, Jack? Because I want my wisdom to be up. - Yeah. - The reason why I can't do that. That I will reveal to you on the episode. - Okay, how exciting. Jack, how'd you feel about this? Good. - Home run. - Okay. - Thanks to my-- - Come see us on next Thursday. Thanks to everybody for watching at home. All doesn't have you. We'll see you next time. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
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