'That's the end' | G Nev reacts to Man Utd's 3-0 defeat to Bournemouth as Carrick on brink of losing job

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Welcome to the Gary Neville podcast. We're just sitting on our lofty perch at the old Trafford Gantry, digesting the latest chapter in Manchester United's much discussed season. And indeed that a Bournemouth as well, after the two sides took to the field here, and it's the cherries Gary who have left with three goals, three points of well deserved victory as well. What are your initial reactions to what you've seen today and what might happen from here? Well, look, let's speak about Bournemouth first, because I'm sure we'll go into the autopsy of Manchester United into the sort of seriousness of what's happened today. And the outcomes Bournemouth were absolutely outstanding, and I think that in that first 20 minutes they were the better team. They should have capitalised on that and scored a goal, and you just felt as though maybe Manchester United only chance was that they could sort of get through it scruffily and sort of scrambled because they weren't playing well. There was nothing coming out of the United, didn't have a shot on target till 40 minutes, something like that. But they missed chances, they missed chances, and then there was a really reckless challenge, wasn't there in the middle of the pitch for me, in heaven where he goes into 40, and Evan Eelson backs out of it, thankfully for everybody, because I think he would have been hurt badly. But from that free kick, Ryan who'd had a chance before that finishes it at the back post, it was really well worked, sort of players coming out and him just coming round the back, we've seen that type of move before. And from that moment on, it was inevitable I felt that Bournemouth would score. When I watch teams play against Manchester United, even not just this season, last season and the season before, they know what they're doing. They're in a good shape defensive, which I think Manchester United can get into a shape, I think we've seen that at times, but they don't know how to transition from that shape defensively into an attacking shape that then brings together combinations and patterns of play. And I said this actually since Shalik's Ferguson left, the only manager that I've ever seen put patterns of play in here at the football club is actually Louis Van Hal. I wasn't a great fan of his football at this club and was brilliant the way in which he coached his teams and one of the best performances I've ever seen at Amfield, where the way in which they played. But at least you knew what a Louis Van Hal team was, every other manager that's come here has almost felt like they've had to sit back and go on the counter, attacking they've been better, responding to actually other teams giving the ball away rather than actually being dominating. And it's just played out here today and Bournemouth have scored an unbelievable third goal, which I think just crowned off a brilliant day for them. It's a fantastic performance, but I have to say that Manchester United right now are a very easy team to play against. There's no work ethic, they've switched off, they don't really press you. If they do it's half-hearted, the defenders are not good enough as a unit or individually. And that's it. So you should beat Manchester United right now. I mean the 16th in the league for a reason, the reason they've got seven points from eight matches is because they're easy and comfortable to play against. And that's a really sorry situation really. The investment that's gone into the club has obviously not been good enough for the players out there should be still doing a lot better, but Bournemouth well done to you. I mean, I said at the end of the game to beat AC Milan Bournemouth, I beat AC Milan and Manchester United within three days, which is to be fair, the beauty of football and the good bit of today, the really good bit of today. And I'll take, I will take that home tonight because I have to say what I'm going to say about Manchester United, it'll be brutal. It'll be brutal in this next 24 hours. And the fans I think told us a story in the last 20 minutes, the game of where they were at, for the last half an hour of the game where they were at, with the feeling about the players, the feeling about the sporting department and the feeling about the owners. Yeah, I mean, obviously full time whistle is literally as we're recording this just gone. So emotions are sort of raw reaction is raw at this point, but what was notable there as Michael Carrick walked around the field in front of the team. Yeah, was he was serenaded as he left and went down the tunnel. Then there was a reaction that was very different towards the players in general. Oh, they turned sour, didn't they? They were angry at half time the United fans. They sang Michael Carrick's name throughout the second half. They obviously clapped him off. Michael Carrick waved them goodbye, I think. You know, there's a wave wasn't there. I think that to be fair, we'll be he just see if I've just seen it there on the screen where he just goes like that. And he went like that. So he's just, you know, I love you all. He does. He's proven that the football club as a player. He did a great job for the club at the end of last season. It was a magnificent job to stabilize. What was a really poor season under Rubin Amber in the performance levels were really shocking. The club like it was going nowhere. And all of a sudden Michael came in and those two fantastic victories against Arsenal and Manchester City or Manchester City in the Arsenal were fantastic. And the way in which the club performs the end of season, getting into the Champions League. But my fear was that this was going to happen this season. I didn't think it would happen that quickly. But yeah, at the end, the players were booed off with real anger by the supporters in the street for them to stay behind. And using them, the players, the supporters of the football club, the supporters of the manager, and they use the supportive of the players. But what was interesting was, was then Bruno Fernandez warmed up. There were some Bruno, Bruno, there were some Bruno shots, but not the Bruno's usually getting a Bruno. You'll usually get a massive Bruno when Bruno's usually standing wide, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, no, there wasn't that. He's lost support. And then when Los Angeles came on, I said, I dropped my mic and went, there's no welcome for him. He was silent. So they, they're not, they're, they're telling those two players, you've literally turned on your own in the last week. I know that the Sandra Martis had to go at Jason Wilcox and they had to go at the owners and didn't directly name Michael Carrick. But when you actually, to be fair, undermine, you're undermining the manager by speaking out like that to start with you are. And then Bruno Fernandez, it's the direct attack on Michael Carrick. And I always say, if a football player speaks out like those two have, you're only getting 1%, maybe 5% of what they're actually thinking. You imagine what they're really thinking. They're really saying in that dressing room, what that toxicity is like between them all about the coaching department, the club, the this, the Manchester, the weather, want to get out of it. You imagine them lot, that lot. And they've got many of managers sacking out some of them. And, you know, I get angry once a season to like this because I am, I am angry. I'm a bit emotional as well, because I said last season when Michael came in, whatever happens, if he wins every single match, we mustn't appoint them as the manager, we must go and get the best manager we can, the best in the world that could come to Manchester United. You have to pay 25 million a year for a manager, get rid of a player and pay that money to the best manager, whatever that manager is, make them available, beg them to come. And everyone's falling into the trap. And Michael did get the job and I can see it at the end and towards the end, I was quite open. I said, I can see why there would be a will and a want to support his appointment. But I still said if there's a better manager available, if there's a world class manager available, if Ancelotti's free or I can't move the other ones, potterty, no, maybe we should go and get them, whoever, who I am, you know what I mean, go and get them, because this is a monster of a football club. And last four or five managers, a Ralph Ranier-Coli, Michael, Rubin Ammaram, Eric Tenhardt, they've all, well none of them are managed in the Premier League before, I think all they maybe had a few months, didn't they, I think, at Cardiff. None of them have managed in the Premier League before, all of them are relatively young in the development as in their sort of what will be crazed. None of them are champions of Europe or a Premier League style sort of leagues, they're coming from below, which is fine, but that's five times now that managers have been appointed. And the football decisions have been shocking, Dan Ashworth comes in and he gets thrown out. Now Jason Wilcox is in, the fans have turned on Jason Wilcox in the second half. Now Jason Wilcox again shouldn't be in the position. Jason Wilcox is a technical director who's had an academy director background who's making a journey up underneath a sporting director. So he's then making the biggest decisions at one of the biggest football clubs in the world. And again, he's been thrust into a position ahead of his time. All my brother, he's obviously someone who's not been at a CEO position before in a football club. So there's a lack of experience just generally in the roles that they're carrying. And it's all coming home to Roost again and look Michael Carrick. Ah, they're probably gonna suck you. They're probably going to suck him in the next two hours, 12 hours, 24 hours, you know, the room is coming out Thursday Friday was it, that Wilcox and Vivell, a ton of whether it's going to be Eddie Howard, Julian Nagelsman, rumors that they've spoken to these two managers in the newspapers, a Michael Carrick's a dead man walking already, and so Michael Carrick comes into his press conference on Friday, and he starts speaking for five minutes, effectively a monologue of just club history, the players who've played for the club, the managers who've represented the club, that's the end, that's the end, because you're having to try and convince football players that are in your dressing room wearing your badge of the history and the pride and the personality and the character and the sacrifice and the humility that you need to play for this club, and once you're having to try and explain it to them, it's too late, you should have to explain that to them on the way in, don't sign them in the first place, don't sign a player for this football club if you have to explain to them how big it is and the expectations and what's gone before, and don't apologise for it either, it's not a pressure, it should be privileged to be out there, and so for me when Michael started speaking on Friday for five minutes about Wayne Rooney, Ryan Giggs, Samat Busby, Sir Alex Ferguson, he's only talking to the players, he's only talking to the players, because by the way, he doesn't have to remind these football fans that come into this stadium about those people, the history consumes every part of their lives, the history is why they're supporting this football club, the magic of this football club is deep within, and that's why they're angry, and that's why they're furious, because literally they cannot accept the decision making, the season ticket stuff, the lack of recruitment on defenders, the Tottenham have taken the two star midfielders, the two main targets in midfield, and the player last time at Stanford Bridge, 16 hours ago, watching Tenali and Fernandez run a football match, and they should be out there in red shirts, but Manchester United decided not to buy them, because they can't afford them, because of the debt, and all the other waste of money that's been spent in last 10, 12, 13 years and incompetence, and it's a series of bad mistakes, and what's going to happen now is, they had to sign defenders, they had to bring next year's transfer budget forward, somehow, and put 100 million into defenders, and they've been better off signing Tenali and Fernandez, rather than signing three that are OK, signing two that are better than OK, and I'm not saying they will beat us, but they're better than the three that I've seen out here for United in the last few months, and you've now got no defenders, and that is absolute negligence to leave that defense out on that pitch, I keep saying I'm being really kind, because we've had there's human beings out there, and my words can be fair, because I've played out there in that show, it's not easy sometimes, but Lenny Urals should not be playing right back for Manchester United, the Elgo Dallars should not be playing left back for Manchester United, Aden heaven is still learning his trade, but he should be learning his trade probably developing in certain matches, not these types of matches, Harry Maguire in Delict, and Masters have been here three or four years now, five years, more, and still can't keep clean sheets constantly, so how could they not bring defenders in, they had to bring defenders in unfortunately, I know there's this element of fix them forward part last year, fix them midfield this year, but you're not fix them midfield, you've gone cheap, buy cheap, buy twice, and it's resulting now, I'm sure we'll see a very emotional press conference from Michael Carrick, I'm sure he'll be apologising again for the performance of the fans, I'm sure he'll be resigned and upset and devastated, absolutely devastated, he will carry that Michael Carrick, because you can't not, you can't not, this football club grips you when it gets here, I've seen Michael Carrick how much he loves this football club, people think Michael Carrick someone who's maybe quite understated, he's quite understated from point of view of externally when you're looking at him, I've seen that lad screaming in shouting and singing Manch United songs in a pub, constantly when we were out on nights out, starting the songs, the passion he has for this football club is unreal, all is the same, they're both absolutely desperate for this football club, I mean grow up supporting the football club, but they grew to love it and it's become part of them, so this is devastation for Michael Carrick, and part of me why I didn't want him to get the job at the end of last season when a lot of other ex-players that knew him well and knowing well were saying give it him, how can you say that you shouldn't be give it him Gary, because I didn't want this, I didn't want him to have this in his life, now look the lure of Manch United manager is too great probably for anybody, because it's a dream, this football club is like that, you told pure if you support it, but this was probably going to be inevitable, because two things, the club's not set up really yet to be successful, and secondly, well three things, secondly they've not invested to make him successful and given the players he needs, even though they should be doing a lot better with the players that they've got, let's be clear, and he'll be the first to say that, and thirdly Michael is still very young in his managerial journey, and people like Van Hal and Marino have been to be fair eating alive here, so for Michael Carrick, he's seen what's happened to Ruben Amarim, he's seen what's happened to Eric Tanag, he's seen what's happened to Ralf Ranjik, he's seen what's happened to Oli, the warning signs were there, and they fall on for it, and I did say at the end of last season I wondered whether Michael himself might just step away, I'd say no, go and get someone, I'll continue my journey and walk away sort of like in a really strong position, but I'd get it why Michael would have wanted this job, that the fact that he could thought he could change this club, the fact that he could change this group of players who have been getting managers sack for a number of years now and under performing, they've teased him, haven't they, they've conned him for a few months, they have, they've conned him, he honestly, I think knowing full well, he never said this public because he's got class, I can say it for him though, he'll look at those players with disgust, some of them, he'll be disgusted with some of those players. Well, on that subject, I've let you go, because it's, it's, it's, it's, it's in your blood isn't it, it's this, this is your club, this is your passion about it, as indeed Michael is, is passionate and will be emotional in certain different ways as well, what I want to ask you is we're just sort of, as we're sitting here, we're seeing the close match interviews coming through, we've seen the players come through and, and, and talk, we even did had Harry Maguire who, of course, was wearing the armband today in the absence of Bruno Fandes who was on the bench and we didn't see him come on, you've worn that armband, you know what it, what it feels like to wear that armband, that was a situation, maybe many predicted that he wouldn't start, many perhaps predicted it, including Jamie in the studio that he would come on because United needed him, he didn't, and maybe that was telling. Look, I played with, I played with captains to be fair, I don't refer to Mike, I was a very different captain and I, and I, I was privileged, I was honored to play for the club as a captain at the end of my career, for two years I was still in the first team doing really well, but I wasn't, I wasn't a Roy Keenan, I wasn't an Eric Cantina captain, I wasn't a Steve Bruce or a Brian Rob, so I just wasn't, I was a different type of captain for the football club, I was a safe pair of hands, I knew how to behave, I knew how to get disciplined into the dressing room for players, and I knew how to make sure the young lads were always doing the right thing, so I was a different type of captain, but in terms of inspiration on the pitch, I'm a player, a player who would go out there maybe after a game and say the, the unorthodox thing, sorry, it can't sound very unorthodox as a captain, Roy Keenan could sometimes be explosive in his interviews after matches, but they weren't wingers, they weren't wingers, they weren't winging about the tactics, about pressing, excuse merchants, and Bruno Fernandez, he's won so much favor, so I'm trying to listen to Michael Carroll, he's won so much, so many people around I think in this last 12 months, Bruno Fernandez, by his performance levels, his consistency and the team that isn't brilliant, and he stayed and he's been loyal and he could have left, so I've got a lot of time for that, but to lose 4-1 in coma, get outplayed, and I didn't think that to be fair, I didn't think that Manchinite were particularly brilliantly set up the other night against coma, I'm gonna say that, but to come out after and say oh, if we'd been able to press, if we'd been able to do this, and somebody who can't press anyway, Bruno can't press, but to come out and win after the game about the Manchinite's tactics, when you've just lost 4-1, and a few thousand fans have paid thousands of pounds to travel over in that far corner and get f***ed way through, they'll probably bleep that, do you know me, he's like no that's not, I'm sorry, read the room Bruno, this is not a type of winging throwing your arms up in the air, it's a time for you to stand up and say that's not good enough, and I'm gonna go see the Manchinite tomorrow because we're gonna go out against Bournemouth on Sunday, you know, I'm gonna feed back into the manager. I want to get this right with him. You know, he's so many. played for the club. We're going to get on the front foot again and we're going to get on the front foot. I'm making it up. A bit positive. You know, do do something with a positive influence as a captain. But he's not. He's gone on base. They throw his manager under a bus. The week before Martin has done the same. And that's why Bruno's name's not been sung today. It's loud as it ordinarily would be. The fans work crying out for Bruno to come on by the way with 20 minutes to go when Shay Lacey came on. They weren't singing his name. By the way, when those fans want someone on the pitch, they'll tell you whether you're Alex Fox, whether you're Michael Carrick or the Ralph Randy, whoever's the manager, they want someone on that football pitch. You'll get your names sung. They weren't singing for Bruno for an artist to come on to. They're backing Michael Carrick. So getting your box, you know, are you stand? Michael Carrick's one things for the football club on a constant basis, improving that he can have the humility, the resilience, the all the stuff. And Bruno has got that. Bruno has delivered for Manchester United in more ways than any other player in the last 13 years. He needs the one player I think you could take back in time and you think you could play in a Manchester United team in the 90s and the 2000s because he's massively talented. But you let himself down this week. He did. And he didn't need to do that because he's basically stuck the knife into his manager. I think Michael to be fair today. Again, he's it's easy for me to sit up here and say, I thought you should have brought him on. I thought half-time him and couldn't you should have come on to go on you. And I'm madness by the way. Go on. You go and face that. Which I think many people thought because he was on the bit. Had he not been in the squad at all? Yeah. Then obviously we wouldn't have seen him. But within being on the bench, it seemed that he would be brought on if needed, which clearly United needed him. Absolutely. Look, I once told Alex Ferguson. I've told this story publicly. It's not new this. I once told him in a European away game to f off when I was on the pitch is captain. He left me in the stands for three weeks. Maybe four. Didn't play for four weeks. No one knew at the time. Just left me in the stand. Didn't pick me. But made me travel. Made me travel. Sat me in the stand. Made me travel. Sat me in the stand. Made me travel again. Sat me in the stand. Four weeks. So my point is, it's not just sitting in the stand if you're not going to bring him on. But he's not brought. He's putting on the bench and not brought him on. I thought it was strange, but look, when you're in the position that Michael's in, I've been one thing I can't talk about with real certainty is how Michael is feeling. Because I manage for four months. And towards the end, you get desperate. You feel out of control. It's like sort of you've lost control of everything. You don't know what to do next. You try everything. You play different systems. You play different tactics. You try and leave players out. You try and bring players in. You then get them back out again. And you're all over the place. So I've been where Michael's been. I've been emotionally in press conferences at the end where you feel like you look beaten. There's a press conference of me in Barcelona, which you see online. If you want to go on Google, put Gary Neville, Barcelona press conference. I'm a broken man. I'm broken man in it. I've been where Michael is. Where you feel like you're letting people down. Where you feel like you're just desperate to do well for someone. For the club, for the fans, who you think are great. And there's nothing you can do about it. There is nothing you can do. And look, we are where we are. It's going to happen, again, I think. I'd be very surprised. Look, you never know. The Glazer family in in Austin, Jim Rackliff, Omar Barada, Jason Wilcox might say, no, we're not changing. I don't care. He's staying with us all season. But I fear they're going to make a change in the next 24 hours. Obviously, various things that we've discussed so far come down to opinion. But one thing is fact is the result today, but also the league table. Looking at the league table today, we've got some of them as it stands as we record this. Some of them at the bottom with four points, Coventry and Nottingham Forest in the bottom three with six. And then above that, Crystal Palace with seven and Manchester United with seven. So as it stands now, it's very different to the days of you as captain, Sir Alex Ferguson and the dugout titles, which cup are you going to win this year's sort of thing? Where you look at that table now, almost if you can, I suppose, take the emotion out of today. But what happens now in terms of how the club gets up the table? I've got no doubts. They'll go and do what they're going to do in the next 24 hours. They'll probably change manager. They'll bring someone in. And that squad, even as negative as just being about it. I said this by the way, after Rupert Abrams last year, I said, by the way, Manchester United should be in the top four or five with this squad. They should be in the top four or five, maybe six. They should be and they'll get there. I've got no doubts and we'll see a pattern and a cycle again. But what Manchester United have to do now today, if they're going to change their manager, they have to go and get the best manager in the world that's available. And just imagine if he's not available, go and get him. You have to pay for that. Because you pay for quality in life, that's just a Manchester United historically. I've always paid the maximum. Everyone remembered when they signed Brian Robson for a million pounds in 1981 or whenever it was. He was like, a billion pounds. Boy, keen for 3.5 million. Way ruining for 30 or 40. It was massive money at the time. But Manchester United have always broke the bank for quality. They've always broken transfer records for quality. And they've got to go and get the best manager now that they possibly can if they're going to make that change of Michael Karry. And those players will sell up the league and they'll tell us all in a few weeks. Oh, it's far better. You'll hear all the stories, all the nutrition is better, the food's better. The sport science has changed. He's been writing other set piece culture that's coming with this new man. He's amazing. And now the fitness is good because the sport science is in the strength and conditioning cult. We're doing yoga and pilates and we're doing stretches like this and we're doing stretches like that. We never did that three weeks ago. And it's the same sort of thing we're going to hear. And they'll move up the league because that squad's got a lot of good players in there. I want to play against Rashford, Kuhnier, Embermoh, Bruno, Amat. I want to be cool enough to play against them every single. What does they are now? But if they're flying in the fit and they're moving forward with purpose, they're harmful. Seshko, I've never mentioned these injured at the moment. So there's a group of players there that will make a top 16. And you'll see Manchester United fans applauding in the new manager in a month. But they'll be devastated today about what they've seen and another manager that they like. They know this manager is getting thrown under the bus by these players. So all these players have to go and they need a manager who's going to come in and be brutal with them and be brutal with above, by the way. Because the manager is the most important person in the football club because he's managing first team performance. And when you don't think first team performance is the most important thing in the first football club, then you're done. Because if it's right out there and you're winning out there and you've got entertainment out there and you've got success out there, the rest of it falls into place. The fans are happy. The commercial team are more successful because the the companies want to sponsor them and partner with them. Everything becomes easier. You make more money just generally because you're winning and you're in the top of the league and you get more prize money. So everything becomes it's all down to a football club is about a first team winning football matches and the women's team winning football matches and they've started to win again in the last few weeks. And the academy winning football matches. So the first team is the pinnacle of that. First team men is the pinnacle. Then you've got the women's which follows very close. They have to win. They have to have their own stadium. They have to be actually treated properly, which did not win. You didn't have the academy which has got with the best in the world. That's the most important thing to produce in players, making sure you have to spend $150 million and buy two midfield players, three midfield players, sorry. So look, I think they'll get into the top six. They'll get into top five. I think somebody will come and get a tune out of them. We'll see a more positive group of players in the next few weeks. And that'll cycle probably roll over again and you'll see smiling facing the directors box and you'll see the fans always turn up. It's always full. That's the thing that always absolutely mesmerises me about this football club. This football club, this ground's always full because it's got a very special group of people that support it, the fans and the volume. There's masses of millions of them everywhere. So if a few don't like, my daughters haven't come today. My daughters haven't come today. That's a sign. And I'm sure a lot of other sons and daughters and people are, weather's bad. No, I'm not watching them anymore. They've been in the last, they don't like it. It's not good enough. They came against Tottenham a few weeks ago, rubbish. And that full of performance, on that day I thought Michael, you're in a bit of trouble here because I knew they'd switched off and they'd down tools and they'd stop running and they were walking on a football pitch. Can't walk on a football pitch impossible. Don't walk on a football pitch, be on your toes, be lively. It's your podcast, Gary. It's your name on the door. So I'll let you finish it. I'm merely here to ask the questions and to sort of probe and whatever. But ultimately, as you put the mic down tonight, take the headphones off, walk up the gantry. What are your emotions? Well, look, I'm speaking as a fan, mainly I'm speaking as someone who disappointed as a tech teammate of Michael Carrick. I'm probably sorry it came in, didn't want it to happen in the first place because of this moment and what may happen in the next 24 hours. So that's the fan bit that you've just heard for 20 minutes. But if I switch into sort of what would be business mode and being a football club owner, you've just got to look at the fact that the 16th in the league, that the results are there, that the fact that the players out on the pitch, the stadium's empty towards the end. And you have to make big decisions and I've sat managers at my football club. It's one of the most horrible things to have to do. And sometimes you think it's unfair, even on their part, let alone the fact that ultimately you're doing it, because you sort of sometimes think, why am I doing it? Why have I put myself in this position? Why are we out where we are? Because the reflection upon us, and I to be fair, came away from selecting the manager of Soulford after three years of getting it wrong. I did, you know, I think I sat two managers in one season, and I reckon, the season I can't go on television, I start talking about stacking managers when I make, sorry, be responsible for stacking managers. If I'm getting it wrong at my own football club for five, six years, we were really successful, we went up the leagues, won four promotions and won an AFL trophy. But in that sixth, seventh and eighth years, I got it wrong, and I had to move myself away from it. Three years of getting it wrong means that you're getting it wrong, and you have to step away from it. I think that's where the focus needs to be now. The ownership, I know the fans want it to change, but it's just not going to change, they've been here for 20 odd years. But the sporting department comes under massive pressure, because they got ten hard wrong, they got hammering wrong, and they now look like they're going to do it again with another man, that's three goals, I'm sorry, when you've had three goals, no, you've got to be accountable. So who's appointing the manager? The reason that people are there in the dressing room is because someone's recommended those players. Michael Carrick hasn't picked all those players out on that pitch. That's not Michael Carrick's job. Who's the head of recruitment? Who's the sporting director? That's where all I should be looked at now, because the reality is the manager will get replaced, but they've got it wrong three times. And then before that, the glaze has got it wrong four or five times. They didn't even have a sporting director in for ten years, it was pathetic. So this club's been run by incompetence for a long time in terms of sporting side. And they've got to get it right, they've got to get it right because look, 13, 14 years now without a Premier League title, that'll be another five or ten before you know it. Because there are other clubs that are set up for success right now, for the next few years, a Manchester United aren't and they're making really poor decisions. And so from a business perspective, this is really bad for Manchester United, but it can't just be the manager. The can't be the consequence of the manager again. There's got to be consequences above that. There just has to be because you can't keep letting the people pick the manager that keep getting it wrong. So it's a good to be a turbulent week, a shocker to there, nothing of a performance, nothing against Tottenham here, nothing against Cuomo, nothing really against Madrid, a little bit against Leeds, it was a bit of a fight, nothing against Fulham for me wasted time. So this is a pattern of nothings, a pattern of players switching off of downing tools and Michael Carrick, a brilliant man, a man of integrity, of credibility, of decency, of professionalism, of high quality football and consistency and reliability, everything that group of players in that dress for a man is going to suffer for it because he's not been able to deliver. It's been too much for him in this last few months and he's not been able to get a tune out of them and they've turned on him. And I know that because Bruno's turned him publicly with that little statement, imagine what the light behind the scenes, he's actually captain saying that, imagine what the scene in the dressing room behind closed doors when no one's listening, that's horrific. And there's a few of them out that professional because a couple of a minute and I live in Manchester, they're not that professional, some of them. So I've got no time for them. Do you know what I mean? There's a few of them that don't go to bed at the right time. Don't eat the right things. Don't think about Manchester United every single minute of every single day that are not living and breathing this football club as they should be, like professionals should. And why? Why? Because it's gone to their heads. But they still walk around like their King William. They're not, they're nothing, some of those players. I can't believe that the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the lack of standards. There's a banner wasn't there in the first half that was held up in the streffin and standards. They went a long time ago. The players are wondering around thinking that, you know, everything, some of them. I'm not talking all of them because there's some good professionals in there was a few of them are well below the standard and they need to be sorted out and weaved out of football club straight away. Anyway, it is what it is. Gary, I will podcast episode number. Who knows? Who knows? We'll see what happens in the days and weeks and months ahead. But Gary, thank you. Well done. Good to see you.