Grace Johnson delivers a rich, personal, and politically informed reflection on the role of Black women in hip-hop and music culture, particularly through the lens of "pussy rap." Drawing from her own experiences—ranging from early exposure to Neo Soul and slam poetry to deep online debates about artists like Big L and Slug—she argues that female sexual expression in music is not a deviation from artistic integrity, but a vital form of self-ownership and resistance. She centers Jill Scott as a pivotal figure, whose work embodies a spiritual, grounded, and unapologetically sexual presence that transcends judgment. Johnson critiques the moralizing of female sexuality, showing how such narratives often stem from a historical and cultural dismissal of Black women’s autonomy. She connects this to broader traditions of Black music, like the blues and juke joints, which have long used vulgarity and sexual imagery as tools of reclamation. Personal stories about school, racism, and identity further illustrate how Black youth navigate oppressive environments through creativity and resilience. The conversation also explores cultural symbols—such as the crump dance—as acts of ancestral resistance, suggesting that joy, movement, and defiant expression can be forms of liberation. Ultimately, Grace calls for a reevaluation of what is deemed "holy" or "sinful" in music, advocating for inclusivity that values all forms of self-expression as equally valid and powerful.
[MUSIC] >> Yeah, what the fuck is up? Welcome to my favorite lyrics, a podcast where we talk about music lyrics, except when we talk about other stuff. Today we got a very special guest, super funny comedian. Does it incredible work on stage and on the internet? Y'all welcome to the show, Grace Johnson. >> Hello, hello. >> Hi everybody, how you doing? >> Grace, thank you for being here. >> I'm so excited, we're about to nerd out, Grace. >> Yeah, I'm excited. You were just giving me a little breakdown of what you're going to be talking about. >> Oh, absolutely. >> And I was like, you're kind of playing 3D chess here. >> Absolutely. >> You've connected dots that I don't think that many people can. >> I want the people to understand that I came up musically in the OK player chat rooms. Those are the people I was arguing with. >> You was deep in the, what kind of arguments were you having? >> All types, all types. >> Specifically, is Big L really that underrated or did he just pass early? >> Whoa, I'm going to let you say, that's not something I'm going to say public because I'm not ready for what. >> Is slug the better white rapper than M&M? >> Slug, yeah. >> Who is slug? >> Who's are the things, who's are the things? >> Who is slug, I've never been heard about slug. >> These were the first, you know how women online be like, oh, you know, the anime niggas is like, they always try to check you in your pedigree. >> Sure, yeah, the Star Wars guys. >> This was the first iteration of them. It was like, I've collected vinyl since I was in diaper dumb niggas. Yes, that's slug. >> Slug. >> And slug is a very, very good MC. >> I don't doubt that, but. >> He's a very, very good MC. >> But so is M&M for a time. >> And these are the arguments that you will see in the OK player backlogs. >> Can I ask you, somebody who's completely unfamiliar with slug, who is from Minneapolis apparently, somebody who's unfamiliar with slug, can you tell me kind of what he had going on? >> And the way you would break down Aloupe Fiasco like bar, he would do the triple entendre like quadruple, like. >> Oh, he was from atmosphere. >> Very much so. >> Oh, he was one half of atmosphere. >> Okay, I was familiar with atmosphere. >> Yes, so he was famous for that and he was that type of dude, lyrically. >> Okay. >> So people were like, well, you gotta give him his do. And you see once a dude put hands on the table, that's the most important thing. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, once they get their hands closed to the right there. >> Once they start hitting one of those movements. >> But I got there because like, I don't know, musically what, I was like 13 when I became like a music nerd for a film. And Neo Soul was like my big thing, it was huge for me. >> Can I ask you a question, Grace? Did you ever have like a, like a knit beanie? Did you ever have like one of those like crochet hats with like a small brim? Did you ever have that going on? >> I want you to understand that I did. >> [LAUGH] >> I did, I did rock the talent quality. >> Yeah. >> Yes, when get, when get back came out. >> Yeah. >> When, when, when the mo go, ha, ha, ha, ha, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I was like, no, whatever she's saying, like it's speaking to me specifically. I also used to, I had a fake ID and guess what I had to fake ID for. >> To go to like slam poetry? >> Actually, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Neo Reacon Poets Cafe. >> Neo Reacon. >> We speak your name, absolutely. >> [LAUGH] >> Where, where was that in the city? >> No, that's a lower aside if I'm not mistaken, I remember by where PNL was at. >> Got you. And, and now like watch it not even be over there. But yes, I was over at these spots. I remember sneaking away from home because we were doing like, and going to like black lily and it was that type of stuff, okay? My binder in middle school, I had a male LaRue lyrics on one side, and in the Airee lyrics on the other side. That's the person I still am actually. >> Whoa, you was, how much, how much wouldn't jewelry did you have? >> I had the Jesus speech, I had the Jesus speech from Karmaloof, I had that. >> That was huge, that was really, that was really fun. >> That hit the streets, that hit the streets length, it was crazy. >> Right, yeah. >> I almost got suspended from school because I brought in a Joe Scott poetry that was nasty. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> When our English teacher said you could bring in any poem that you want. >> I think the general public is aware of Joe Scott doesn't know how many like, she's horny. And I don't think, I don't think people are aware of how horny she is. >> As fuck, and that's exactly what I want to talk about. >> Let's go ahead. >> How horny Joe Scott is and how she is the perfect, I think midpoint between everybody who tries to have the argument that like, oh, pussy rap is wrong. And everybody should try and be like, in the Airee, no, there is Joe Scott, she is the midpoint of all of that. >> It's true, because she is very much like, she's very much like alternative soaps. >> Fully, you know, and like special oils that you got to get from like, from like an African guy. >> And she's lighting that incense so that she could fuck the shit out of that thing. >> She can get her back blown. >> Fully. >> By Philadelphia, area man. >> Absolutely. His beard, she'll have him in beard oils. >> Come on. His beard moisture off. >> Come on. >> Glamoring. >> From what? >> I can't. >> Exactly. >> And who's to say? >> Exactly. >> Who's to say? >> Is it oils? >> It's some type of oils. >> And when she rides in that man's beard. >> Yo, you go to Jill Scott's house, you gonna leave something drenched. >> Absolutely. >> Someone's gonna be drenched one way or another. >> Is it the way you love me, baby? >> Wow. >> Exactly. So I'm just saying, she exists and people be always trying to like pit women against each other. >> I do. >> But she understands that that is how you be a fully integrated person. >> Yeah. >> Is that the, is the, everything, every part of that expression of self is holy and is wonderful. >> That's true. >> You should be all of it. >> And you should be all of it. >> You can contain all of it. If you will. >> I would say the people who are anti-pussy rap, though, would say that like, they would say that like if Jill Scott's giving you a full picture that the pussy rap girls are only giving you, you have to picture. >> Mm-hm. >> That's what they would say. >> They would say that. And they're not listening to their spiritual ears. >> I hear you. >> Absolutely. >> Who are you? Do you, because I don't picture you, and I don't know exactly what you're listening to. But just based on your spoken word past and your wooden bracelet past, I don't take you to be. I don't take you to be a pussy rap music listener. >> And that's where people are wrong. You see, the afro hides the secret. And every girl who really is, like, the bigger the fro, the longer the locks, the dirtier and nastier she is, usually is based on like the thickness of the glasses you can tell. If she thick, and the glasses is thick, hey, you're in for a really great time. >> It's over. >> Typically. So right now, obviously, Megan Estallian. >> Of course. >> Janet Jackson is my mother. Although she is not a rapper. >> Not at all. >> She do be rapping. >> She does. And she is also supremely horny. >> You know what I'm saying? >> She's been horny kind of from jump. >> From jump. >> Yeah. You go back and listen to control. Well, there's a lot going on in control, right? On her, on her, like. >> The Janet album, Velvet Rope. She has a song called "Drop" for God's sake. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> You know? Like, she's where I started, like, I remember watching her behind the music for the Velvet Rope album. >> Rift sexy album. >> Fair, very sexy album. And I watched it. And then I watched the behind the music for another album of hers, where she had the dudes on stage and they were like. >> Oh, sure. When she had them tied up, and she was like twerking on them and stuff like that. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> And it's not really twerking. She was kind of like. Blue on Burrow's neck, and he was like, which, you know, fair. Also, it's like, he's on stage. He's never been on stage. >> No, he's fine. >> He's on stage just fucking 3,000 people in the crowd. He's chained up. It's a lot going on to his senses. >> I don't understand. And do you know how empowering she had to have been for him to just be like, actually, fuck y'all. >> Yeah. >> I'm actually going to be the horniest dude right now, and it's totally fine. Because it was so sex positive. It was so beautiful. >> And they found him years later, and he was still like, yeah, no, stand behind it. Greatest moment of my life. If she won't do it again, I'll do it again. >> Well, because everybody wants to be, everybody wants to laugh at that man. Everybody wants to, but it's like, you ain't never been in that situation. >> No. >> You ain't never been tied up by a leather strap. You ain't never been leather, leather straps which are risked down in fucking Thailand or whatever they were. >> Think about it. >> Take a second. >> You in the stadium where the fucking Giants play. You in the stadium in New Jersey where the New York Giants play. You got leather attached to your ribs, your wrists and pop stars blowing on your neck. You know what I'm saying? >> I just want you to know that that was crazy that you did. >> Hey, they got Geno Smith so now everything is going to be fine. >> I'm praying. >> I'm really hoping it will be fine. >> No, it's not going to be fine. >> No, it's not. >> There's a video my buddy Justin is a big Jets fan and he sent me this video of this kid. This kid's like 12 and they asked him like the Jets just lost and like some like social media person was just like, hey, how are you feeling about this one? The kid just goes, you know, I'm a Jets fan and I've been one my whole life and I'll always be a Jets fan. But I hate this team. >> I hate this team. All they do is make me sad. All they do is let me down. I just, I hate them. >> Do you know how really bad at this whole sports thing you got to be for a 12 year old to have already given up hope? He's got his whole life ahead of him and every sense in it, right?
- It's not gonna be that. - He's like, oh, I can tell the rest of it's gonna be bad. - You know, he's 12 and he's acting like a resigned husband. He's just like, this is what my marriage is gonna be. It's sexless and it's fine. She's frigid and cold. - He's like, I gotta keep working so we can like redo the kitchen. - Absolutely. - None of it's gonna be enough. - Not at all. And never is for, for my real, it never is. - Okay, so you're, you're trying to bring, you're trying to bridge the gap and you're trying to like stop the negative discourse around the pop and pussy girl rap. - You need both of it. And honestly, if you listen with your spiritual ears, that also is just as holy and, you know, should be as reverenced as the stuff that sounds more like incense and cocoa butter. - I would have to agree with you. - It's the same stuff. I also like, I lean towards the pussy pop and end of rap, like that just tends to be. - Are you a bad bitch? - Maybe, maybe somewhere in my spirit. I think like, I don't know if like the bad bitch is like a huge part of what I got going on, but I do think there's a piece of bad bitch in me. - I think that's fair. - You know what I'm saying? - I like to be celebrated. - I do not love men who have too much bad bitch in them. - Well, and that's kind of what Drake's running into. - Absolutely, it totally is. When he cut that heart into his receiving hairline, and you all, with receiving hairlines yourself, we're like, no, we also need hearts in there. I was like, hmm, the tables have turned tabled. And since then, we always see now as men hanging out at DJ booths. That's all we see. - Yeah. - We see that. - Everybody. - Let me say this about the Drake, the heart in his hair. - Please. - I'll say this. - Did you do it? - Absolutely not. - Absolutely not. I did not do that. - That was good. - I was scared. - And I would never. - Okay. - But to me, when I saw Drake do it, I was like, this makes perfect sense for him. And I actually had absolutely no problem with it. I thought it was like a cute gimmick, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, in the way that it's like, but he is like an international pop star. So it's like, he has a leeway to do something. When, if you're a man who's not an international pop star, even if you're just like a working artist, and you did that, I don't have any respect for you. And I think you should take a hard look in the mirror at what you've done. I think you've made some drastic mistakes in your life. And I think you need to take a hard look. I think you need to go back to the drawing board as a human being and just kind of change it. - Do it. - Change whatever was in your spirit that told you to copy Drake's haircut. - I will ask a question though. What do you think hit the streets harder hair wise? Was it the Drake heart cut? Or was it Wiz Khalifa's skunk strike? - Oh, it was the Wiz joint easy. It's not even, that's not even close. 'Cause the like, no, the Wiz shit, 'cause that hit like kids. It was honestly-- - Everybody needed a skunk strike. - Honestly, I think a better comparison is what hit the streets harder. The Wiz little blonde patch in the Afro, or the Odell Beckham Junior bleached blond like fucking, whatever chemical he put in there. - Oh, that was a time. - Remember when he was with that little kid? - Every little child who was biracial. - Yeah. - Every Jayden all across. - Every Jayden wait and frighten. (laughing) - Jaylin, Jay-D, they needed that. And it was the-- - Pamello ball as well. - The oh yes, the little mohawkiness of it all. Oh jeez. - I don't even know how, I don't even know what you need to do to make to your hair to make it do that. - Burst fade. - Okay, to make it like-- - Oh, to do that, the bow out afro sponge. - Is that what did it though? - In part, and then if you also put color, it makes it all nudily. - Yeah, maybe, okay. I guess also you maybe just need to be biracial. - That also helps. - Maybe that's maybe just need to have more-- - I know they'd be mad when it's still, you come out with forcey hair. - Yeah, frustrated. - Frustrated. - Yeah. - Depending on the parent though, I feel like there's a type of black dad that's like-- - Absolutely. - That's like, yeah, my jeans. - It's Levar Ball. (laughing) - I remember Alex Inglis described all the ball brothers as undercooked one time and it's one of the funniest things I've ever heard anybody say. Like, all the boys look like you didn't leave them in the oven long enough. - I'm like, curl all the way over. I hear him. - Yeah. - I understand that. Like, as told by Ginger characters. - Sure, damn. Lost in the sense of time. - That was it. - As told by Ginger. - That was it. - But all the kids were kind of ugly on that show. And maybe that's why I gravitated towards it 'cause it didn't look so like-- - The mouse was just so low. - Yeah, even Ginger's like a little funky looking. - She kind of is, but if they told you she was biracial, you will believe it. - Sure, her dad wasn't around. - No, he wasn't. - So, it wasn't. - Who'd you say? - She's in my top five of cartoon characters that I loved. Her, Eloise, Matilda. - Matilda was a cartoon? - Yeah. Pipi long stocking. - Of course. - Who else? Pretty much, if you had child neglect issues, (laughing) I was really fucking with you. - If you were a father that was kind of in and out. - Daddy wasn't there. Yes. - Or just like, Ginger, I don't even know if they ever addressed her dad. He was just, he just was gone. - I remember the one episode she would, she'd won a poetry competition at school. And her dad didn't come, but her mom sent flowers. - That's nice. - As if it was the dad, but her mom had to have her appendix taken out or some shit. But she knew her mom did it. So she came to the hospital and was like, thank you. I know I was being a bitch to you, and I had to go hug my mom because-- - You were like, fuck, my mom, my mom, my mom. - You're like the mom and the dad. That's why Father's Day is Mother's Day Port, too. - Wait a second. I'm really, look at, I'm looking at auto rocket and I'm looking at S told by Ginger. - There was a very similar situation. - There was an error. - Hold on. Auto and his sister famously, no mom. Ginger and her brother famously, no dad. - You gotta have no mom. The only person who I could think of right now who had two parents was Eliza Thornberry. - Eliza Thornberry, Tommy Pickles. - Yeah. But they were all feral. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they were bad parents. They weren't-- - Fully. - I mean, Eliza Thornberry literally lived in the woods. Or she lived in the forest. - Every day, it was a lion assumption that was fitting each of her child. And y'all never knew that. - Right, exactly. - Her best friend was a monkey. - And her little brother acted like a monkey. - Fully. - And nobody was addressing-- - Nobody. - Put Donnie on the I.E.P. - Put that boy in school. - Put Donnie on the I.E.E. early intervention for Donnie. Even if he-- - No! - He not supposed to do that. This is why the outcomes for her, for your kids, with special needs, be different, cross-prasial lines. Okay, 'cause a black mom would be like assing in that chair. - Sure. - You can't be right. Get off the top of the car. - Why are you swinging on it? - Why are you swinging on the car? Put Donnie early intervention. Get him some help. - Yeah, they didn't do nothing about it. - Get him some help. (laughs) - They're never scared. (laughs) - He's scared. - He's swinging on the bus. - He's scared. - Yeah, and everybody's like, no, that's just how he be. (laughs) That's just Donnie, bro. (laughs) And the monkey the only one with sense. - Yeah, of course. Oh, 'cause the monkey, like a British accent. - Fully. - Yeah, yeah. The monkey was like, could they understand what the monkey was saying? - No, only she could. - Oh, I see. Classic. - Classic cartoon. - Absolutely. Only she could. - Wow. - That's why we didn't even check if to see why he was British, nobody cared. - Also his hair is fully locked. - Fully, and nobody cared. - That's white and neglect. - Nobody cared. - And then they had the oldest sister stuck in that RV camper. - Oh, 'cause she was like the cool girl. - Yeah. - She was like big sister. - She had that Alia bang. - Yeah, she look kind of fly. - Back, back, but for room. (upbeat music) - Alia has not come up on this podcast as much as she probably should. She deserves, oh yeah. It was a very confusing thing for me with her because I loved Alia so deeply, but it was part of my queer awakening. So it was one of them, yeah, yeah, it depends. It depends, 'cause like if you're a creepy little boy about having a crush, everybody's like, oh my god, oh he's such a creepy little boy, that's fine. If you're, I would just say this, I had an Alia poster with a well worn mouth. - I see. - You see? - I see. - And so when she died, I want you to understand that I ran home from school, full Naruto, back pack. And then I went and took my poster down and held it and cried. - And can I ask you, that is very sad. Can I ask you a separate question? - Please. - The Alia poster, well worn mouth. Was there any point in which her mother walked in the room and she said, hey, why are you a poster all torn up? - No, she did not ask for that. - Why is it on the wall all crumpled up and messed up weirded? I didn't buy it for you like that. - She didn't, she didn't. She did ask later on in my teenage years where it was just some things where she wouldn't ask. She would just call me into the room and be like, this Bible verse, the Bible just happened to flip over. (laughing) To this particular page, do you want to perhaps read it? (laughing) - Honestly, that's like maybe the sweetest form of parental homophobia. - Absolutely. Where they're just like, hey, there's some words here, maybe you could take a look at them. If you don't want to. - And then she would have a measure that she had done it. - Of course. - So one time she called me back in the room for the same thing and the passage had already been highlighted. (laughing) And I was like, well babe, we've talked about it. - We've discussed this. - We have, we're well worn. I agree.
man shall not lie with man as with woman you should not do that Because why should a man be comfortable right of course you can't be relaxed. I like no you need AC and a fan bitch You should have been in war Normandy needs bitch go go there sleep in the trench So um We have so deviated and I knew that what happened that that's part of the show Absolutely that just what happened can I can I use just like curiosity as a as a queen's native? What's your relationship with 50 cent? Mm-hmm I feel like you got some thoughts He's also a cancer man Um, I yes, and I am a cancer. So it's one of those. Oh, you too. Wonderful. Comment is as well So I just had a birthday. Oh, yeah, so we have I have to respect His moments of petty Of which there are many you know what I'm saying and my personal favorite was the Buying the first three rows at the Jarrahul concert. I don't think I could have come up with that But I'm so happy someone did yeah, I love the taking it to hell completely. Um, I do I do love that I also love like a hat feels and McCoy's like level type of right where it's kind of a Generational this goes on for I'm raising people to hate you. Yes. Yeah, I love I love that about him I also like, I don't know. I think I met him once on the Coliseum block, which is the spot in Queens where Rapper used to come to like break new music. Okay, so just like outside It like they there would be record stores on this whole black Where the Coliseum all was okay, so they would come like to do giveaways or like just hang out or whatever So G unit would pop up sometimes Nicki Minaj would pop up sometimes like Waka flaka was there too. I know he had it going crazy. Yeah, so it was a damn the smallest clothes now. It is closed Okay, gentrification But yeah, that was like You know being from that neighborhood and that being part of the lore is very very like It's prevalent. It's funny. New York growing up here seems so fly because you could just be like oh, yeah Like 50 cent just goes to the mall that I go to He does, you know, and he just shows up there and like plays new music It also has so much things that I tell people my childhood memories and they go. Oh my god. No. Yeah That wasn't supposed to happen because y'all just New York City kids just get let loose Like quick. Mm-hmm. Y'all are just like it would bug me out when I first moved here like in the summertime You'll just see a gang like a pack of like 10-year-olds Just running around in a way that it's like on the train. They're on the subway, and I'm just like y'all Nobody's nobody's gonna tell y'all got to be you know. There's no supervision. I will cut school just to go watch TRL. Yeah, cuz I like who was on the show that day Whoa, and you would come would you come and you'd watch from like down down below because I didn't want my mom They see me on TRL. My mama didn't watch goddamn TRL She'd be a work exactly and then I would come home like I was at school the whole day TRL Judge Judy, and then there was a bus that would take you I think from Times Square to Connecticut to go see like Steve Jerry Sprinter So it's like Stanford Connecticut. Yeah, did you do that? I have a suffec ID and Student Metro card the world is my oyster. I do. I really love the fact that it's You were do some kids are like skipping school to like smoke weed and like Didn't do like inhale instant shit like that and like smoke weed and get drunk and shit like that and you're like on in a row I'ma go I'ma go watch Jerry Springer and do slam poetry. Why not? Where you ever performing at the slam poetry? I had the balls to do it once Okay, and it was such a terrible poem about unrequited love of course Yes, yes, yes, you got to write a poem that unrequited you have to you have to and then I wrote it and then I did the It was like an open mic, and then I did it and I was like And you never got back no to it no never stand up is the closest that I have gotten to that to that need for For someone else to validate my emotions. Yeah, there's a lot of that going on so much Do you remember any of those slump poem that you did? Oh? No, you're also the second person we've had on this podcast Who did something recently who who's discussed having slam poetry in their past absolutely on tonio also? You know I see it now. Yeah, now did you said it? I do see him in a different light. Yeah, I do keep forgetting He's light skin just cuz he's you know like a normal acting man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's in there That's in there. He was doing that special. Yeah, he had poems written in the way that he was describing it He had poems written that were like it was like an acronym It was like an acronym and like I think it was I think the acronym maybe was his name And then every every single one of the letters of his name like went into a line of the poem and then they all rhyme together to spell on Tony, I do think I do think that's who was going well There's nothing like that. You know what I mean? Oh, I love that. That's humorous. That's that's that's confidence That's that's a whole lot of it. I love it. I do think every young black man at some point in his life like writes down some poetry Oh, or it's trying to rap or I mean two sides of the same I was the same coin. Yeah Because like why would Jellin Brown be trying to rap was Jellin Brown rapping? Jenna Brown started rapping after he got to the NBA that And this is after everybody is like oh, he's still smart because he says the word what Panopticon, I don't know. It's it's we I will say he said it himself He said it himself. He's like the bars not high. It's really not it's like sort of like be like the smartest NBA player is like It's not high he can spell panopticon and that's it That's I'm not a lot of people can do that NBA player or not It's really hard you go to the streets in New York City you say hey spell panopticon I bet you there's like a 20% that's that's right. That's not or especially defined panopticon. I I'm not gonna hold you I learned with that word meant six months ago. Oh, that's cool. That's like a relatively new word for me specifically That's fair. This is a circular prison where you could watch people and you are watched AKA manhood is a panopticon it is because you all police each other and Want to make sure that each other is not wiping your butts? It's It's it is It's a it's a prison. Yeah, but you're like in the cell holding the key Yeah, you could walk out. Yeah, but but many won't no I saw a dude post on threads that was like do y'all think it's feminine to hold one of them fans that the women got at the club Right sure sure sure the mechanical fan and he was like and then it was dick is in the comments Just arguing about whether that is bad is it's too bad bitch or not and I was like make it a climate does not care if You are a man or not. It was earth is trying to boil all of us. It wants us in a seafood boy Bro is it as if you let the internet tell it an adult man can't do anything anything they can't do anything except for like Punch somebody and shoot a basketball. That's that's the only stuff that's like for men to do any time It's like oh you can't wish another man happy birthday. You can't you can't do another man happy birthday You can't you certainly can't have a hot dog or any anything that could be perceived and I'm you know what I mean the hot dog I'm gonna eat the glitz I'm glitz down. Yeah, I'm gonna empty out the kill bossa into flat bread So he can eat that It's disgusting. What's going on? I've never seen nothing like that. You can't you can't have a birthday. You can't wear like a coat You know like monkeys eat more bananas than all of them sure They don't they're not police in each other on whether it's all a negative They're saying and that look like a tasty banana. I was I had one of those as well and then they fight each other for a fuckin banana Yeah, it's a Yeah, it's a prison. Yeah, I think often times about like being a little kid and like I was just having this discussion You know dad just watch this movie called D.D. Which is just like a coming of age movie about just like little like Asian kid in the in the back and with bro from walking dead and He's he voice is invincible. I think so. Yeah, and he It's it's set in like 2008 It's like a teenage boy in 2008, which is also when I was a teenage boy and I was watching and I was like Oh, this is really like the whole movie's just like embarrassment and violence and I was like Oh, that is what it feels like to be a teenage boy. It's all just like being really scared that people aren't gonna like you and being like though The like razor's edge you walk between like being on the right side of being a boy in the wrong side is like It's so so thin and the whole movie is him just like getting on the right side of it a little bit and then being like Ah, no and and and missing it I remember that same summer that Aliyah died they were making fun of me because I it's all the poster at your house. No It was because I hadn't gotten boobs yet. Oh, sure or or did I get boobs But like didn't have the appropriate broth for the boobs. It was something I don't envy that part of it. No, not fun. Yeah, not fun. Mm-hmm. I really think we should abolish middle school That's one of my like I really think so kids should have to do it
empathy training and then be out in nature. - I'm not mad at that. Just learning about the trees. - That's it. - Learn about the worlds. - How to be a steward of the earth, that's it. But middle school, I didn't really leave there with nothing good for real. - Nothing positive. - No. - That's what I remember like, did y'all have, for like boys, did y'all fresh cut at your high school? Was this a thing, or a trim middle school? In my middle school, basically anytime you got a haircut, the first like day or two that you came back from getting a haircut, like if you got a haircut on like Saturday, you came back to school on Monday, somebody like a nigga would go fresh cut and they would slap you on the back of the head. - Jesus Christ. - Yeah, and that was just a part of it. And that was just like something that would happen. And you would be walking around feeling like, you had to simultaneously feel good about how good you're a crispy new haircut look. And also you had to have your head on a swivel because you could be like, oh, somebody could hurt me right now. We had, they did punch buggy. And then I for getting the sexual harassment one, which was, if you were think like I was, a dude would just come and smack your ass in front of me. - Of course, yeah, we, I think that one, that one, that one exists kind of for everybody. - Absolutely, I'll just smack your ass and run away. And then I'll be like just, I just, you know, like a abolished middle school. - Yeah, we gotta get rid of it. - It's not really good for no life. - There's no, I can't think of everything, like I feel like most of my learning I did and most of my academic learning, I learned in elementary school and in high school. - That was it. - Middle school was just survival skills. - It was just like, how can you make it out of here? - Survival skills and like trying to not, like trying to like hide boners. That was like a big part of middle school for me is just like getting really excited at something like kind of innocuous and then being like, all right, well now I gotta, now class is over. - It's totally done. - Now class is over. - Whatever shorting was saying, I'm not paying attention. - No, I missed, I missed that. - I'm fully. - Trying to stay safe and hide my body. That's really what, that's really what middle school is about for me personally. Grace, you brought us some lyrics today. - I did. - You brought us some lyrics? I mean, you brought us a whole song. - Oh yeah, yeah. - You brought us a whole song? Okay, give the song name and artist to the people and you can, you can take it wherever you wanna go. - Okay, so the song is called Rules by Baby Mother and so you gotta put your hand on your heart 'cause this is like my personal anthem. Let me sit up straight. - Pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa. (clears throat) You can't get your pussy to a nigga who now used to get and pussy 'cause your pussy gonna be everybody business. You can't sell dope to these niggas 'cause they broke and they snitchin' 'cause got these niggas bustin' shots up in your business. You can't get your pussy to a nigga who now used to get and pussy 'cause your pussy gonna be everybody business. You can't break bread with these niggas, give head to these niggas. They aren't grateful on mama, that's bad for business. And everything she said, "I try my best to live by." - Sure. - 'Cause, come on. Have you ever actually just, oh God, this is actually, this is what they should teach in middle school. (laughs) - You should do this right after the pledge of allegiance. - Absolutely, the girls should have to talk about that. And it's specifically the first, the chorus. I think it's really cool and really subversive. Like, to me, she has like a bit of a darker take she has on her pussy rap, but it really is like about body reclamation, we're talkin' about it, and owning your shit and who you can share your body with. - Sure. - And who's deserving of being able to be all up in your, you know, splash waterfalls. - Of course. - And I love it. Which way I always love ludicrous as a rapper? Because, big, hey, I only wanna be there if you want me there, baby. - Sure. - And how can I make you want me to be there? - Typical dude. - Of course. - But yes, I really, I think this song, and it's why I think like pussy rap is the part of hip hop where the genre within hip hop that is still in conversation with like the subversive nature of like the Duke joints and stuff that was going on in those spaces in the black American self. I think the music that came out of those places, the blues, all of it was about talking about their lived experiences, but also lived experiences in a way that was painting a picture about the oppression that they were living under. And right here, we're talking about a woman who, I mean, she's a black woman. I'm a black woman. We have certain oppressions that we live under. - I heard about her. - And you know, you might have, there is a book or two. - I'm familiar with a little bit of what's going on. - There is a book or two about that. And so, I just, I love the lyric because it's the first thing that's out the gate. The verse she goes in and she, it's more narrative and everything, but this is a declarative statement about how you should be with your body. She's not saying don't fuck. - No, not at all. - She's just saying be mindful who you fuck. - And she's not even, she's not really even trying to police it. She's not, there's no like, it's not even periodanical. It's not like, oh, don't give pussy out. It's just like, hey, just when you do decide to give pussy out, don't give it to a nigga that's not giving no pussy. - Absolutely. And you actually want somebody who values what he's, what he's receiving. And I really, really like that song for that reason. Also, Megan, it's the stallions, you know, I'm running through a nigga house like the Tomb Raider. Like, that's it. And they're the ones that come with the punchlines, it's joky, it's fun, it's declarative statements about what the fuck you're gonna do with your body. This is like, Trina was that. - Of course. - Who else, like, we could go forever about women who have done this. - Trina, little Kim. - You know, pussy rap pioneer. - Exactly. And all of this happened for me, I would say, like, I got into more Southern hip hop. Because my brother was a RA at college. And he went to Howard. And someone left the iPod. And he sent that iPod home to me. - That's why. And D.C. kind of like, D.C.'s like the bridge. - The melting pot. - It's the bridge between the North and the South. - Absolutely. And I got that iPod. And then I was just listening to everything. That's when I found, like, Houston, like, screwed and chopped. And. - That really resonated with New Yorkers. - Kinda did. - Like, it's like Rocky loved it so much. He made it like his whole thing. - His whole fucking thing. - Yeah. And then people feeling like they have to go to the South to, like, really get to the soul of what music was at the time. - I think there's a pipeline between Atlanta and New York. I feel like there's a cultural exchanges happening there. - Fly ass nigga central. Just in the ways that fly ass nigga dumb, you know. - Can't exist. - Absolutely. And then I think Atlanta had a moment when I was a teenager because Atlanta hip hop became sort of the new pop music, almost, or was making that a shift. So I think like Southern Hip Hop has always been useful in reminding us, like, what, it's a conversation around like, what is vulgar? Who gets to the terminate? Who gets to claim vulgarity or call something else vulgar? Like, I'm sure somebody would listen to these lyrics and be like, oh, she's being vulgar. But what is the message that she's trying to convey? She's saying I own my body and you should have discernment with it. But when I think black people, especially if we're talking about juke joints, right, like when black people would, juke joint music was kind of vulgar. But that was reclamation within itself of like, I mean shit, we watch centers. It was, it was a place where niggas would come and talk about whatever the fuck, right? - Like a really light loose. - Precisely. I think that like, pussy rap is still the, is right now the embodiment of all of that. It is the embodiment of the blues. It's the embodiment of that subversive nature of black music because these are women who are like, yeah, I'm being a pro. You got a big lot I'll talk about, you know, my body is mine and shit, like hell yeah. - Can I ask you really quickly, speaking of being a lot of, how did you feel about her name change when that happened? - Look. - 'Cause I do feel like you're the exact right person to speak on this. - I don't know that I am. (laughing) One thing I like to do is stick to my rivers and lakes. (laughing) - As TLC said. - Yeah, you said by racial conversations or not. - You know, I think that girl should have had better people in her. (laughing) I think she should have just had better people who was there to tell her. But I mean, maybe, you know, I, mm-hmm. (laughing) I feel like Mariah Carey, the only one that could have a word here. - Interesting. - 'Cause she's the reason I know about tragic models. That's the elusive chantouce, that's what my girl is. She's the only one. If she has a declarative statement on it, I'll go with what Mariah says. - And something tells me she won't be speaking on this matter. - I don't think Mariah is gonna say that. - I talked about this, I think on the Antonio episode as well. I didn't, I didn't know Mariah Carey was black 'til I was like, 18. - And that was Tommy Matola. That was very intentional. - He made sure that you never knew that. - I knew she made music that black people love. But like, I just never, I just never thought of her as being a black person. And again, that was very much by design. - Tommy Matola didn't want you to feel like she was a black woman. - Yeah, and mission accomplished. - This is Tina Marie, part two. And we're just just gonna-- - It's bigger and better this time. - Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Uh-huh, because she don't have no niggas.
her damn. Rick James. I rewatched them at the BET awards singing across the rooms. Come on. The Coke was pure. Fully uncut. Yeah. Yeah. Uncut. And that is a shade of love. It's a type of love for sure. It's a hood love. You don't know where it's like there. It's very destructive but like incredibly passionate. You know your uncle who's 58 who has braids still. Yeah. Yeah. And he finally wants to make an honest woman out of that lady that he's been bringing to every family function for 2016. Yeah. The lady that he has like three kids with. Without a doubt. He's three kids with but they live separate. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But she doesn't want to be the special friend anymore. No. She's ready to. Now that they're about to turn 60. She knows she knows. Now she's like, okay we got to we got to do something. Absolutely. And shout out to that uncle. Have you ever seen a Scotty Pippin with his hair braided. I did. And Larza. Larza. You did something to that man. He now has a 23 year old girlfriend. Of course. Larza. These ones actually look kind of clean. Oh man. I'll say these these kind of look kind of clean. These ones. Oh merciful Jesus. Oh lord. Rodman to me is the most interesting bull. Well sure. Do you know how many times like our entire like American diplomacy hinged on Dennis fucking Rodman. How do you how would you say he did? Honestly him and John Kerry are on the same same level. Uh huh. We could have thrown him this some other stuff and just seen what would have happened. What did his Rodman? Just put him in it. Send Dennis Rodman to Ukraine. Let's just kind of let's see. Let's see what would happen. And this is the thing about Dennis. He will go. Oh he's going. He's taking a trip. His universe is enough that he feels like he could really bring peace to the to the Middle East. Send him there. Let's see. He's everywhere except for where his kids are. Him Celine Dion and Dolly Parton. I really think could do something in the world if we could just unleash them like Captain Planet. That's your I think you're on to something. The way we niggas love Celine Dion. That's true. I didn't I don't think I wasn't aware of like how much black people love Celine Dion until I moved here. It's like Caribbean people African people. They love Dolly Parton. Yeah. But that's that's Celine. Oh man. That's special. Yes. In Nigeria, there's a joke that they call her Celine Dion. I didn't know about this. Yeah. She popping in Nigeria. We love love Celine Dion. I did not know this. There's people who don't speak English but can sing you the power of love. I mean that's just, you know, Bob is a Bob fully. Yeah. But she's a she's a force and I just think if we just send her, send Dolly Parton and send Dennis Rodman. Interesting. They could have done a little bit more than whatever this diplomacy situation we got going right now. Well, we certainly it's not going well as it stands. Send them and then get take Trump. Take Trump. Take Trump. Just take his phone away for like two weeks. Let's see what they could do for real. They need to give him like an hour of phone time like a day and be like, Hey man. Okay. Or like a phone that's not hooked up to the to the Wi-Fi. Sure. Like when you give like your little cousin. Exactly. And they're like, Hey, you're right there. You're playing. Yeah. Look. Okay. That's your car. Yeah. You doing it. Send him some shit. Yeah. But then I feel like it'll be it'll be more like evil niggas that would be in charge too. So I don't know if incompetence or evil is worse. It's a tough balance. It really is. Wait, I'm so before we while I still got you. Didn't you say you have a theory about Justin Timberlake you wanted to. Oh, I do. I do. I do. I do. I mean, people do know this. This has been discussed. But I do think that as we know the justified album was supposed to go. Most of those songs for real had Michael Jackson in mind for them. He did. And so if Michael had just done the album. Janet's Super Bowl. Miss happy. Whoa. Could have been avoided. And I told you I'm a Janet Stan. Yeah. That's the only person that it came in this room right now. I really would cry. The rest get New York apathy for me. Of course. But I love that lady so much. And it hurts me to know that Michael really could have just. He really could have. Her brother really could have stepped in and saved her. Because if we watched the documentary, she was about to sign a deal with Coke that was going to rival his Pepsi deal. Interesting. She was going to be like the biggest next biggest solo artist which is why we could say Michael and we know who we're talking about. We could say Janet and we know who we're talking about. They didn't have to be Jackson's no more. But Janet was about to be it until the Fire Nation came. So the titty incident happened. And in hindsight, I still for the life of me can't really understand how that ended up being like a Janet Jackson issue when it was like so clearly it was so clearly like Justin ripped the just to rip the shit off. She was like she was present for it. She said in the documentary and I'm paraphrased. I've seen this darker. Oh, you have to. It was the joint she did with Hulu. She said that she felt she was the bigger artist so she could take the hit. Oh, so she took that upon herself. But she forgot she was a black woman. Well, she hadn't had to live like one in such a long time. She had been up for like 25 years. So she forgot kind of the pitfalls of the blackness could still touch her. And the black people who were doing white slavery on just the temper like we're like, hey, don't fuck up the money. Yeah. Get up there and put it on that lake. Yeah. But I just yeah, there's a good history of white slavery of music. Let's speak on that for a second. No. Because you did just drop it as if it's something that everybody knows about. No, there's usually a time when a white artist will come out and then you can see the black people behind them like usher and Justin Bieber or Italy and T.I. Which I'm like, how did that pairing come together? Exactly. Which is why she put that runaway slave lyric in there. And everybody was just like who wrote it? Because you're Australian. Yeah. She often, which is the thing she seems to oftentimes forget that she is Australian. Very much so. You know, walk a mile and then loop of times. But I'm just I really think if Michael had just stayed and just done that album. Yeah. He also, he might still be here. Whoa. Really? Because that would have been like that would have popped them back off. He had some joints though around that time. Butterflies. Butterflies which still goes. You rock my world. It was like around that period of time. He still had some. He did. He had some joints like in the early 2000s. I just wonder. But if he had rock your body. Come on. Who knows where that but I don't know if like I don't know if we're hearing rock your body from like a 40 something year old Michael Jackson in the same way that we was hearing it from Timberlake when he was doing it. The thing is for a man. The music video with the lights wouldn't work the same way if Michael was 30 years into his career. It went around. But Michael was also the blueprint for like Omarion. For everyone. For like literally every. Chase a chase a bitch music video where he's just like hey girl. Yo. Yo Chris Brown. Thank you. One of the only Chris Brown songs that I still feel really comfortable putting on. It's the only one. It's just that first album. Like that one I still feel very. But I guess it's because. Right up until wall to wall. Yeah. Because that's when he was when he was pretending to be a vampire. And sometimes deuces. Sorry. Yeah. I'm not mad at deuces for whatever reason. deuces not really getting played out. It's not like that's not really. It's really evergreen. Like it could be. It could that could I could put that on my headphones. I'm saying like they're not playing deuces like at the in the club. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a wall. Yeah. I love. Oh wonderful. Yo is I was maybe I was doing karaoke the other day and somebody put on yo and and I'll sing that at the top of my lungs. We have that one and it's a time capsule song and we're just like we go back to the place we were when we heard that shit for the first time. I remember. I mean me. Come on. I do. I love a music video where Nick is a dancing after a woman in the street. You know, he's like spinning around like a white post. No, Bob. Exactly. Because if I move too fast, you can't say I'm sexually harassed. Exactly. Yo, a creepy niggas on the street if you're listening and we know that you are. Dance. Dance around. Entertain me. That's something that you're not thinking about. You just you standing there all stagnant. Talk about, oh baby, where are you going, dead and up. God, God told me to tell you. No, hit a hit a dance. Don't some shoulders in it. Wow. If you cropped, maybe. I'm trying to say this and I'm finally going to say this. Me and my homie Ryan Thomas. We we feel this strongly. Okay. That crumping might be the Hawker for people from California. For black people from California. I I see no error in that. It's as if I could. Sure. It's similar movements if you really think about it. When I'm doing the Internet police. Y'all y'all talked about him. But what if that was him tapping to into something ancestral to go against oppression? And also for those of y'all who are unaware of it during the pandemic, you know, everybody was going through it in one way or another. There was a lot happening in this world in a lot of different ways. But there was a video of a black man standing in front of a police officer just.
doing crump moves and you know what I will say for as much grief as we gave that man. And nobody shoot him. No violence was done towards that man whatsoever. The cop just stood there. He was mystified by the power of the crump. Of the crump. So I'm just saying whatever he was tapping into. Yeah. Maybe we might not crump it out but we might have the dead shit. What Angela Davis is saying. She said the revolution gonna have dancing. Mm-hmm. And maybe that dance is the crump. She didn't know that yet. But she was all exactly. But she could feel it you know because she tapped into the ancestors yesterday and tomorrow. That's what I'm saying. Whoa. Maybe you might dug it for freedom. Whoa. Mm-hmm. Maybe you might hit them folks and the folks that you hit in is the police. That's you know as as black people you know we've tried we've tried so many things to get free. We've tried so many things to we've tried so many things to stay safe you know from from the dangers that await us you know everywhere. Maybe it's just but nobody at no at no point have you ever seen a nigga just kind of you know swing them shoulders around. And I'm just saying that's probably how the Irish got free. Have we asked them? Because what was they do they was hitting J. They was hitting J. You hit that river dance they can't hold you nigga. Yo. They can't hold you bro come on son. Yeah dancing dancing is the key to our freedom. That was some Celtic Galic shit you fuck it you've done you did not explain no more. They're not gonna leave you with it. Not at all. Then that's your servitude had to end. Yeah cuz they was hitting that jig crazy that river dance. Yeah they was calling on the party ancestors so maybe some Chicago footwork. We need to reach backwards. That's the way that we connect. That's the way we connect this place at time. That's what Ryan Cooler was trying to do with that one scene in centers was to show us. Right. I'm saying next time if I'm ever if I'm ever in like a hectic police situation I'm gonna hit like a like a cab Callaway sort of like you know what I'm saying kind of like a big big band I'm gonna be wearing big pants at all times and be hitting one-legged spins just to kind of let people know hey it's all good could it look with you know as a person that some people are aware of would it look kind of bad for my whole deal if people saw me maybe wearing like a zoot suit and like doing spins in front of a police officer is he watch yeah it would look strange but guess what I'd walk away with no ticket in my life absolutely I think you should try it next time I do but by that by that math I do have to dress like that right now all of the time and I think you should shoot right right now have you thought about that I hadn't considered yeah that's what the men in 2020 was trying to bring back when they said you got to wear suits to the protest that's that's what you should be doing Grace before we get you out of here yes please we got a voicemail to listen to let's do it here's a voicemail for today all right I got a bar here also no introduction I got I got a bar here no people like hey what's up Devon and your guest no my name's my name's Adam I live in Minnesota no he said I got something for your last here it go okay I got a bar here about a very interesting and that is the top of this push I feel like phrase oh did you do this and that is the top of this push now this is dimension probably for the last millennium but this this is from like wanting 11 yeah I'm pretty good the mad live had a song way back in the day called shame and I just can't get over the fucking bar and how did he even get to this bar this man said then bitches want to grip from the same dick you'd be sitting on and your girl Monique she be hitting me where her nigga trying to buy some weed she perceived with nothing but vikies on nothing but asymptitis but I let that ask a visit took in that hit that wish to say was accidentally like I stepped on a banana peel in fell in that pussy I've heard a lot of shit I've heard water I've heard mother fuck it pillows all the shit to describe that but I've never heard of banana peel I think what what was he smoking was he smoking shame loud shit what what what was in that studio that day because I don't know how the fuck you get to a bar like that that don't sound that crazy to me it doesn't sound that crazy to me I would have to agree with you that's just widely coyote type shit yeah it's like I love that this guy called it and he was like I got something insane for you something that you could never even make some one of the most spectacular wild bars and it's literally somebody just doing something that like they do on like looney tunes every week it's like oh yeah step you stepped on a banana peel and you slip and you fell in something and some pussy Kilo Ali began the song I met this girl in that letter made let me play in her miss out she made my dick so his art it never goes sis out from the side to the side the bitch gonna get it all from top of my dick to the bottom of my best all like it's more inventive really fun yeah really fun this one I'm just like this is pepping the peel with it did this yeah this is cartoonish Elmer Fudd Tom and Jerry tied back to this not the worst way and there is ever gotten this a pussy no this is this actually makes all the sense in the world to me absolutely now I'm concerned about this man's media diet what what happened in your childhood I want you to see I want you to see some cool shit there's so much some niggas have laughed their way into some pussy don't I know it I'm sure you do I'm sure you do yeah I'm sure I'm sure some niggas him he's you know just begged of course yeah there's so much R&B music absolutely pointed in that direction so slipping and falling into it unless we're calling you know what what should we call it salino and Barnes sure sure it's just a slip of ball accident and you're gonna need a compensation absolutely because what kind of pussy did you was just so wet yeah that you you had no choice but to fall in also was it a you know like when it's it's a it's I see out yeah yeah in a winter time and then you just fall for 30 seconds yeah that happened to me once that happened to me once I stepped on a bad piece of ice slipped fell for at least 25 seconds and then one of my air pods flew out into the street damn yeah it was yeah the snow had just hit or the ice had just hit you know so like the salt hadn't gone down or nothing like that and yeah I have a similar story yeah but it was we gave it by a car I swear it's funny uh no I just always have to preface that because people are like I was on a scooter and I it was one of those days we have scooters and queens now because we different all right so I'm by my mama house that's crazy all got scooters down there because the type of potholes we have right we shouldn't have we shouldn't be scooting and those scooters go fast to fully fast yeah so it's just we got potholes in the fucking bike lanes they just put in yeah of course that's it nuts I had a pothole so bad my titty popped out the broad and it was nuts and it wasn't a good dancing on the sidewalk like hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey dance on the sidewalk like hey hey oh my okay and they always go I don't why you trying to scare me it's so scary that it's already scary the matured mayor mandami I've tweeted you about this before real like hey the paho situation in Queens is crazy and you live in Queens are you he lived in Queens Queens we need you real real real real bad okay but yes I got hit by a car but before before that happened it was one of those days when the sun was shining really great and you were like fuck it so I put on lovely day by um is it Roy errors oh bill withers I put it on and I was like when I wake up in the morning look and the sun night touch by I got hit air pipe flew out but once they didn't yeah and I was on the floor my bubble jacket hit exploded so it was just all fed there so it looked like when the chicken did cross the road like when Randy Johnson through that pitch they hit the pigeon yes yes and then all the air pod you can hear in the air pod was a lovely day lovely day lovely day lovely day and I'll never forget it this is wheel still spitting people checking in all be I have to know something really bad happening in New York City when when people are actually stopping there they're like hey like are you are you good I was like not a real but not in a way that can get fixed and I was like my mama lived down there because you go get her and they they went that's nice yeah and they come from my house I had to drag myself over her and I was like hey my I got hit by a car and then she came up blood of Jesus I was like all right that's not doing that's not doing it for me called 911 yeah we got to and get some medical attention. - Please. - Were you all right? - Yeah.
Most part I just hobbled for a while and now I wear mostly crocs, okay, yeah That's about it. But it was so funny to me. Um, I went to Jamaica Hospital Which I think I think was the same hospital that 50% got sent to when you got shot a little Queen's legend shit That's what I'm saying and you don't know if you Like it's that the best hospital to go through because they used to all type of shit Or is that the hospital you don't want to go through because they a little too used to all type of right So they like they've seen they've seen niggas bounce back from all sorts of that's what I'm saying. I'm super worried about what I'm chillin I'm chillin in the um in the in the emergency room They supposed to give it be morphine or whatever and then this other dude. He's having a mental break But it was the funniest mental break I've ever seen in my life and I leave you with this as six police officers came in to try and calm him down I hear I'll be show us in 12 seconds. I'll be show us in five seconds. I'll be show us in eight seconds You don't know me. I'm the civil suit dandy That's incredible It's also wild. It's also I'd feel fucked up if I was one of the cops and like he said he said five seconds Exactly it was like 20 seconds for you 30 seconds for you Four seconds for you. Yeah, you're going down in one shot. I'm pussy. I will hold on hold the fuck on my cop that makes me Exactly That's parking brother. You're gonna bring some brutality upon yourself. You can't be don't be don't be 10 Five seconds. Yeah, exactly let me up and down like I'm not a grown-ass man Who worked for the NYPD? Come on come on. Rich respectful. Yeah, but yeah grace. Thank you so much for pulling up This was super fun. I'm so happy you had me on here. Do you have anything you like to plug for the people before you get out of here? Follow me on a gram. It is critical grace theory or all the socials whatever and then I got a show It's called crank that comedy Next show is at Union Hall August 28th You can get tickets on that same Instagram place, but no follow me on there because my career depends on it Don't it ever Grace appreciate you pulling up. You're grace so so so funny, and cheers. Yeah, bye. We'll see y'all next time My favorite lyrics is a production by disco nap if you guys like what you hear leave a review and tell all me about the show And make sure to follow us at my favorite lyrics pod on all social platforms except for Twitter We offer that you can learn more about this week's guest and the my favorite lyrics team by checking out the shows notes And thank you to the guys that made this show happen executive producer Lauren Mandell producer Carmen Carrigan our editor and Nicole Ryan's and yeah, that's all the people that I'm going to thank for now
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Grace Johnson reflects on her early musical influences, including Neo Soul, slam poetry, and underground rap debates in online chat rooms.
She highlights the cultural significance of Pussy Rap, especially in reclaiming Black women’s autonomy and bodily agency through lyrical honesty.
Jill Scott is presented as a pivotal figure in the genre, embodying a balanced, spiritual, and sexually confident expression of self that challenges moralizing narratives.
The conversation critiques societal dismissal of female sexuality in music, arguing that all forms of self-expression—no matter how bold or seemingly "vulgar"—are valid and sacred.
Grace draws connections between historical Black music traditions (like blues and juke joints) and modern Pussy Rap, seeing both as acts of resistance and reclamation.
Personal anecdotes about childhood, school, and racial dynamics reveal how Black youth navigate oppression, surveillance, and identity in marginalized spaces.
The discussion touches on cultural figures like Janet Jackson and Dennis Rodman, using them as examples of how Blackness, power, and performance intersect in popular culture.
The crump dance is interpreted as a symbolic ancestral resistance movement, representing a form of nonviolent, joyful defiance against oppression.
Summary:
" Drawing from her own experiences—ranging from early exposure to Neo Soul and slam poetry to deep online debates about artists like Big L and Slug—she argues that female sexual expression in music is not a deviation from artistic integrity, but a vital form of self-ownership and resistance. She centers Jill Scott as a pivotal figure, whose work embodies a spiritual, grounded, and unapologetically sexual presence that transcends judgment. Johnson critiques the moralizing of female sexuality, showing how such narratives often stem from a historical and cultural dismissal of Black women’s autonomy.
She connects this to broader traditions of Black music, like the blues and juke joints, which have long used vulgarity and sexual imagery as tools of reclamation. Personal stories about school, racism, and identity further illustrate how Black youth navigate oppressive environments through creativity and resilience. The conversation also explores cultural symbols—such as the crump dance—as acts of ancestral resistance, suggesting that joy, movement, and defiant expression can be forms of liberation.
Ultimately, Grace calls for a reevaluation of what is deemed "holy" or "sinful" in music, advocating for inclusivity that values all forms of self-expression as equally valid and powerful.
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Slug is a prominent rapper from Minneapolis, best known as one half of the duo Atmosphere. He is celebrated for his lyrical depth, complex wordplay, and unique style, which blends poetic storytelling with sharp social commentary.
Jill Scott is highlighted as a pivotal figure in pussy rap, representing a bold, authentic expression of womanhood and sexual agency. Her music is seen as a spiritual and subversive form of self-expression that challenges stereotypes and celebrates full-bodied womanhood.
The podcast draws parallels between pussy rap and historical blues and juke joint music, emphasizing that both are forms of cultural reclamation. Like the blues, pussy rap speaks to lived experiences of oppression and resilience, asserting ownership over one's body and voice.
The song 'Rules' by Baby Mother is presented as a powerful anthem about body reclamation and discernment. It encourages women to be mindful about who they share their body with, promoting a conscious, empowered approach to intimacy.
Grace highlights Southern hip hop as a cultural bridge, especially between the North and South, with its influence shaping mainstream music and challenging norms around what is considered vulgar or acceptable in rap.
Grace uses humor—like references to crump moves or absurd lyrics—to make serious conversations more accessible. This approach helps break down stigma and allows listeners to engage with complex issues like sexuality and racial identity in a relatable way.
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