Speaker 1I'll ask you a question because otherwise, you know, we may go down the dark road where I just scream about this team for an hour. Do you think this team can get to the Super Bowl? Like, not like, oh, it's an inside straight and it's a miracle on it. Like, they play obviously well because, I mean, anything that goes to the Super Bowl has to play well. Like, do you think this team, Bills, Bengals, Jags, whoever you want, you want to throw the Pats in there, fine, Steelers in there, fine, Broncos in there, fine, whoever the hell you want to throw in. Like, do you think this team could realistically be at SoFi on Valentine's Day? Or do you think it's like, yeah, this team has a ceiling of, like, the wild card rack?
Speaker 2Coming up, the latest episode of That Football Show, here on KC Sports Network.
Speaker 3It's that football show. Here on KC Sports Network, Tucker Frank. I'm hanging out with Matt Verdam for your Monday edition of That Football Show. The Kansas City Chiefs, they defeat the New York Football Jets 35-12 in what is maybe the most frustrating 35-12 game of all time. Thank you to our friends at Ben Holiday, Baldwin, Bon Burbitt, and Holiday Distillery. They certainly helped me get through that game. Matt, how are you doing?
Speaker 1I don't know. I'm very confused about how I'm doing. Fair. Um, we normally record this really late, or, like, maybe during a crappy Sunday night game. We were recording this during, like, the middle of the 4 o'clock window. I still have light outside. I don't, but good for you. Yeah. Although, you know, there's a pizza waiting for me after this, so, you know, there's stuff to be done. That's right. The house, yeah. Yeah. I don't know how the hell I'm doing. Like, I know I'm doing better than the Jets fans, but that's kind of a perpetual truth, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm somewhere in a very dark closet right now. Fireman Edge is turning the light on and off and just drinking Everclear from the bottle. Right. And, frankly, I don't blame him. But, yeah, like, I feel like, on one hand, it's really, really tough to be upset at a team that wins 35 to 12. 100%. I also feel like, I guess this is the best way I'd put it, or I can't put it. Okay. This game depends on your perspective of, like, process-result. Because the first half of that game, I was on the roof. Okay? Like, the first half of that game, they come out, and you're thinking to yourself, like, all right, just lost to Denver. Right. Hideous game. Yep. They'll show up for this one. Nope. Nope. Nope. Not even a little bit.
Speaker 3Eight-minute Geno Smith drive to open the game.
Speaker 1Oh, my God, man. I can't execute. It's disgusting. They fumble all over the field. Mahomes almost damn near gets killed. I know that defensively, to be fair to them, the Jets were 2 of 12 on third down, but they just could never get off the field in the first half of the game. Yeah, that's true. Couldn't get off the field. The Jets did not punt in the first half of the game. They just could not stop them. Now, to be fair to them, they didn't let them in the end zone either, and they were put in a bad position twice by fumbles, but it was just a comedy of errors. Drop passes, weird play calling. I don't know how else to say this at this point. A kicker that should have been cut weeks ago who just cannot make a field goal. Can't do it. He misses two field goals for the price of one, essentially. Yeah. Like, all that happens, and they go to halftime. They're getting booed. They're getting booed off the field at Arrowhead. They are, yes. That is true. Listen, I'm from the East Coast, okay? People booed during the anthem at the East Coast for fun. People in the Midwest, it takes a lot for you to get booed off the field at your home stadium. Yeah. And they were winning and got booed off the field. That's how bad they were. It's also just, my God, the Jets, woof. But it's a game in the first half you couldn't have been more frustrated. The second half of the game, if they play, if they play like that, they're the best team in football. So that's where, I understand, listen, I mean, it's adjusted for Jets, as all things in life are, okay? Right, yeah. That being said, even adjusted for Jets, I mean, that was a complete annihilation in the second half. The Jets couldn't do anything. Yeah. Chiefs had five sacks. They moved the ball up and down the field. They scored 21 points in the second half. They wanted to score more than they would have. They were running out the clock the fourth quarter of the game. They still managed to score seven points. Walker went over 100 yards. Kelsey had a nice day. Rice and Worthy had okay days. And whatever. Walker, three touchdowns. Like, Mahomes, by the way, I just saw this. Mahomes' QBR in that game was like 20, somehow. Which I was floored by. And his rating was like 122. I don't think I've ever seen a bigger discrepancy in my life. That's so odd. I thought he played really well. Like, really well. But yeah, so I think it just comes down to, how do you, like, do you look at the game and say, in totality, they pissed me off for two games. 30 minutes. Played really well for 30 minutes. And like, frankly, that's not going to cut it against good teams. Sure. Or you look at it and go, you know what? Like, slow start. Ended up blowing them out of the building. Yeah. So I think how you feel is kind of based on, like, how you feel out of those two options.
Speaker 3It was such a weird game. It was a very weird game of, like, how you're feeling. And I don't know if I've ever been so annoyed with a game that had that big of a scoring margin to it. And Matt, both you and I were talking about this going on the Friday. edition of that football show. We both said, like, hey, if we learn anything from this game, it's not a good thing. And we didn't. We didn't learn one thing from this game, and it wasn't a good thing. I didn't learn that, though. He stinks. Fair.
Speaker 1He stinks, man.
Speaker 3He's fully cooked, though. I don't think there's any coming back from it.
Speaker 1He's like the Marie Callender's pie that was, like, a meme a couple of years ago. Like, he's that cooked. Yeeted into the sun.
Speaker 3Okay? Yeah. He's fully done. Like, there's no more. We can bring. Maybe. Maybe fix him. No, you can't. You can't. Like, it's so bad at this point.
Speaker 1And also, too, like, is he hurt? Like, he's barely getting the ball to the uprights on these kicks from 50 plus. Like, the pregame.
Speaker 3I think I saw.
Speaker 1Barely hit for 55.
Speaker 3Right. It snuck in. Snuck in. And that was something that was just a routine for him.
Speaker 1Yeah. I mean, he was hitting 70 yarders in the preseason. I know. So, like, what is wrong with him? Something wrong. Which, by the way, would be fitting with this team. Like, actually, yeah, he had a torn MCL back in. September, and nobody noticed it. Like, you know, how Mansour Delane had a minor shoulder injury that's now hurt him for six months. Yeah. No, listen. Everybody knows how I feel about Justin Tucker, so I'm not going to belabor the point. If that's who they're going to go to in case Butker falters, it's time. Yeah. You've reached it. It's over. And I don't want to hear Dave Tove on Thursday telling me about how, well, you know, if he had made that field goal, you had confidence. Yeah, yeah. Well, no shit. If I won the lottery, I'd be a millionaire. But I'm not, Dave. So, like. As it turns out, yeah, making the kicks kind of important. I don't care that he had four extra points. I don't care. I just sincerely don't give a shit. Like, I had five, whatever it was. I mean, that's fine. He should hit every extra point he attempts. He doesn't get bonus points because he's hitting 32-yard kicks. Like, that's great, but I don't care. I think if you're looking for positives, and we'll get to all of it, the biggest positives to me. But, you know, they finally got sacks in this game. Yeah, they did. They got five sacks. Jones looked like Chris Jones. Finally. Like, really looked like Chris Jones. Carl Loftus has actually been really good all year, but he got two more sacks. Gelati's been good. He got rewarded with the sack. So, I mean, that was all good. They ran the ball really effectively. That's not a huge shock based on the way they've been all year long. Mahomes played really well. Thankfully, he didn't get seriously hurt. But, you know, I mean, now, listen, I mean, now you're talking about, like, they've got to make a trade of a receiver because they were already bad. Now, Worthy's hurt. Like, would you, honest to God, one thing I kept thinking about, would you make two trades for receivers? Yeah, I do. Like, I might tell the Colts, I want Downs and Keenan Allen. I'm serious. Like, here's a third-round pick. I want them both. Or here's a fourth and a sixth. I want them both. They need multiple receivers. You see what Josh Downs did today, by the way? Oh, man, dropped everything. He's ready for the Chiefs. He's getting prepared. He thought he was going to come to the Chiefs this weekend and just start dropping every pass, even within, you know, a metric mile of him.
Speaker 3How, if that's the answer, if it is, like, Josh Downs and Keenan Allen, what is your, like, all right, do you feel good? No, hell no, I don't feel good.
Speaker 1No, I'm sick to my stomach.
Speaker 3Okay, that's good because I wasn't going to feel good. I wasn't going to feel good either. I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1I feel better, you know? It's like the day after food poisoning. Like, I still feel fucking good. But I'm not having to come out both ends for nine hours straight. You know? Now I'm just coming out of one. You know, like, that's how I feel about the Chiefs wide receiver room. No, I don't feel good. No. It's like, listen, not political. It's just it was funny. I feel like the James Carville thing where he was just screaming like a maniac to people I've been putting the like news. I didn't see that, yeah. There's like one point there where he's like, I don't want to get better. I want to get worse. And it's like, it's just so funny because he's so genuine about it. And it's like, that's how I feel about the receivers with the Chiefs. It's like, you know what? I don't want to feel better about it, actually. Like, I actually am ready to just be in more pain. Like, I don't know, man. Like, Washington sucks, you know? Indianapolis sucks. I really, if I was Brad Beach, I'm dead serious, man. I'd call both those teams. Can I get Downs and Diggs? Yeah. Can I get them both? Like, I don't, and like, why the hell not? What is Downs? Like, I know the Colts are doing this whole thing where it's like, we're not sure if we're going to trade them. The fuck you're not. You guys have two wins. You traded Nelson and Buckner. You're not going to trade that guy? Yeah, you are. Okay. And Safad Diggs at this point, if you're the commander, I mean, come on now. Are you going to hold on? Are you going to hold out for hope here? I mean, also, Brandon and I, you're potentially available.
Speaker 3Look out. Did you see the DZ's press conference? Did you happen to see that?
Speaker 1I saw bits of it. I didn't see the whole thing.
Speaker 3There's a moment where he sees Grant Cohn, and he just starts busting out laughing when he sees Grant Cohn. And it is.
Speaker 1And it brings it out of people.
Speaker 3Hilarious. Yeah, no, it's very funny. Yeah, so there's so much going on here. So I want to go back to this game, though, because you talked about Xavier Worthy. Andrew at the podium said he didn't know the extent of the hamstring injury. Yeah, didn't know that. And he also said Jalen Moore hurt his ankle. And that game, quote, we'll see how he does in the next couple of games here, is what he said about Jalen Moore. Jalen Moore today was a struggle, to put it that way. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of great things on that offensive line, truthfully.
Speaker 1Their tackles were getting steam. By the way, just a little PSA. Got to throw it out there. After the Falcons game, Josh Simmons can come off of IR.
Speaker 3Well, yeah. Yeah. That is true. I thought you were going to say today Khalil Benson has made as many starts and has played in as many games as Josh Simmons has. Also fair. Both of those things are factual information that you can take with your own slants that you will. I also, Andrew, you said that Patrick Mahomes hurt his, quote, elbow region. Did you see that?
Speaker 1Yeah, I'd like to clarify that for Andy. He hurt his elbow when he was smashed. Yes. Three guys simultaneously because the Chiefs didn't block anyone. Did that? Yeah, man. Look, I will say the one thing that you should be thanking God for every night is the Bills, Bengals and Jags. Well, I think along with the Chiefs are the best teams in the AFC. None of them have a pass rush. That's a great point. I think it might be the only thing that saves him in a playoff game. Yeah, that's a good point. Greg Rousseau is a good player, but I don't mean this like genuinely. No disrespect to Greg Rousseau, but he's not in his prime Von Miller. He is. The Bengals' pass rush is Dexter Loris, who's inside. Correct. And the Jags, like, Klein, Allen, and Walker are probably the best. You know, those are probably the best guys. But again, like, they're kind of like Will Anderson Jr. and like Daniel Hunter Light. Yeah. And the Chiefs still had to deal with Denver because they play a lot of times. So, I mean, that's the only thing, like, you know, I'll ask you. Yeah. Or do you think it's like, yeah, this team has a ceiling of, like, the wildcard rack?
Speaker 3Man, it's so hard for me to say that with, like, the ceiling part being the wildcard because of Patrick Mahomes being your quarterback. Like, that part is kind of one of the things that's just like, ah, I think you got Patrick Mahomes healthy, you got a chance. Truthfully, in the playoffs, if you get him unhealthy, you still have a chance is what it kind of seems like. We've seen this, yes. Yeah. But what we've seen this year from this specific, this specific team has not given me any excitement in terms of if they can make the Super Bowl or any reason for me to think that they can make the Super Bowl. They've played two good teams in their, what are they, six and two now? In their eight games, they've played two good teams. I'm considering the Denver Broncos a good team and they played them twice, right? And they played the Seattle Seahawks. And they have looked, they looked really good week one when the Denver Broncos had no clue who Kenneth Walker was apparently and didn't know what they were going to do with Kenneth Walker. Yeah. They steamrolled them. They looked really good. Other than that, a very uninspirational performance against the Seattle Seahawks on the road. I get it. The Seattle Seahawks were off of a mini bye. You're going to the West Coast to travel, everything like that. Sure. There's a lot of things that go into it. But you had the Denver Broncos on the road and you did not play good in the final quarter to ice away a game that they probably should have won. Yep. That gives me more pause than anything because there are six wins being against the New York Jets. The Indianapolis Colts, the Miami Dolphins, the Las Vegas Raiders, the Los Angeles Chargers, and the Broncos. So those are your six wins right there. Again, the Broncos, only good team in there. Their wins are against horrible teams. They're against really bad teams. Yes. So it's hard for me to really take anything for real from this team because, again, as you said, they looked really good in the second half of this game. They're also playing the New York Jets. And the New York Jets are. They're not a good football team. And it is. There's some things Aaron Glenn did in this game that's just like. Hilarious, Coach. What are you doing? Yeah. Two timeouts in the first, like, five minutes of the game is so funny. And, yeah, I don't know. I don't believe it.
Speaker 1So my answer to that question, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But, like, you know, to your point, Chiefs have been one good team. And it's fair. It's a good point. Here's who Cincinnati's beaten this year. Okay. Tampa Bay. Houston with no Nico Collins. Yeah. Miami. Tyler Huntley, Baltimore. The Titans, the Falcons. Fair. You know? Like, then you get to Jacksonville. Who's Jacksonville beaten this year? Jacksonville has beaten Cleveland. Mm-hmm. New England, which at the time, New England was a travesty. But New England. They did beat the Bengals 22-17. So that's kind of their answer to, like, the Chiefs beating Denver. Like, that's like their one good win. Yeah. The Eagles, the Colts, the Joe Fogano Ravens. And then you get the Buffalo. And I don't have it in front. They've beaten the Lions, which, okay. Texans, who are not good. And they should have lost that game. They should have lost that game. Yeah. The Rams in the game, they should have lost that game. They beat the Chargers. They had five turnovers. They beat the Raiders. Yep. Right? I mean, so you'll look at these games. And then they beat the Ravens with Fogano. No one's beating anybody who's any damn good in the AFC. Because nobody's good. Yeah. You know, like, I guess my answer is this. Because I spent about an hour in solitude after the game, just staring at the TV, thinking about this. Sure. Yeah. I think if they get a receiver, it actually matters. And I don't know the down fits that description. I think they're on a level with anybody else. Because here's my deal. Like, Cincinnati and Buffalo, forget the stats for a minute. Just use your eyes. Cincinnati, Buffalo, their offenses are better than Kansas City's. Yes. Yes. Right? Like, they're clearly better. Kansas City's defense is clearly better than Cincinnati and Buffalo's. Yeah. They're better. I mean, Buffalo's defense is a fucking atrocity. And Cincinnati gives up 36 points to the Titans. Like, I've watched the Bengals all year long. They are not even defensive team. Like, Lawrence has been. They've been really, really good. Give him credit. But, man, if you can block him, like, it's a free-for-all. Jacksonville, I think, is more balanced than anybody. Yeah. I think they're my pick right now as the best team in the conference. But also, I do wonder with them, like, do they have enough firepower come January? Like, if they play the Chiefs in a playoff game, in the playoffs, it's much more about individual. Hey, man, how do you match up? Yeah. Like, because in the playoffs, you're getting everybody's A-plus game script. You're not getting these games. Well, we'll hold this back. You're getting everything. If the Chiefs played man coverage against them, you had Delane against Parker Washington and Williams against Jacoby Mark. Like, you probably feel pretty good going against Basil Tootin and Brent Strange. Like, you know, we'd probably match up there. You probably don't feel awful about the Chiefs going up against that defense. Like, and I'm not saying Jacksonville would lose. Maybe they'd win. But my point is, I think Jacksonville's the best team in the conference. And I don't know that I'd pick Jacksonville to beat Cincinnati or beat the Bills or beat the Chiefs. Like, I don't know that I'd pick it. And I think, like, with the Chiefs and the Bengals and the Chiefs and the Bills, a lot of that, to me, is going to come down to just a play here and a play there. Like, if we don't have the lines, because it's too far out in front of us, if you had to guess right now, Thanksgiving night, what do you think the line is that Chiefs-Bills game? I'd probably say Bills. Two to three and a half? Yeah, I think it's like. A three-point spread, which is just they're at home. If the Chiefs were at home, they'd be favored. I don't know, and that's kind of the thing here. I think what's probably going to determine this conference is who gets hurt, who comes back and is healthy. That's one thing, too. Does Thornton come back for the playoffs? Because it changes the entire way they play offense. I don't know. I would say this. I think the Chiefs right now are 6-2, and if you want to find things that you're really upset about, Lord, it's not hard, man. It's not hard. Okay? Not this fall. But if you want to find things you feel good about, it's not that hard. They run the hell out of the ball, and the Holmes is playing really well. Defensively, I do think I really firmly believe they're talented defensively. I do. I think the best version of this defense could be really good come January. But the kicker, man. What are you doing? Honestly, I'm not trying to make this about Buck. I'm really not. If he could hit a field. If he could hit a field goal, they're almost assuredly 7-1. Yeah. And they probably would have lost to Seattle. They would have been in that game in the fourth quarter, right? Sure. That's the difference between the division being over and not. Now, he's one difference of many. But I do think the Chiefs, they've got to get a receiver. And I don't know if Josh Downs moves the needle, but I'll say this, man. If he eats up 40 snaps of Andrew Armstrong and Jalen Royals, you're better. Yeah. You're not great. But you're better. And let's not let good be the enemy of great. By the way, as we're recording this, speaking of anything being the enemy of good, the Chargers down 31-9 in what is just an abject disgrace in football performance. I mean, can we just – I know we're talking about the Chiefs. Can we take a minute just to talk about how abjectly horrific the fucking Chargers are?
Speaker 3Yeah. I mean, they're horrendous. This is unbelievable how bad they are.
Speaker 1Yeah. And they don't want to sell either. Yeah. What – like, so my colleague Albert Breer has been reporting, and he's not alone, that the Chargers, they're not taking calls.
Speaker 3Right. Yep. Phone's closed.
Speaker 1I don't know how to tactfully say this, mostly because I'm me. Joe Ortiz, buddy, you're right. Did you ever hear the Chargers? For anyone who doesn't know who that is, like, you're not taking calls on soon-to-be-free agent 35-year-old Khalil Mack. Are you kidding? If I was the owner of that team, I'd go down there and be like, you're going to fucking pick up the phone, and you're going to make every single trade available to you. I would trade everybody on that team. And I think it was Ian Rapport, might have been Schefter, who put out, like, well – it was Schefter. It was Albert Schefter – who put out, well, they don't want to send out the message that they're giving up. Their whole fucking season is a message of how they're giving up. Like, what do you think? Somebody in the locker room after they get blitzed by Houston here and it's 0-8, they're going to be like, man, you know what? If we don't make trades, we're going to come right back and be in this thing. I mean, listen, I'll tell you one thing about the Chiefs' schedule coming up here, bring it back to Kansas City. I know their schedule after the next two games for five weeks is very difficult. Although, I got to tell you, I think they should kill New England. That's the hero there. Yeah. They're getting the Raiders Week 18 at home, which – well, I think the Raiders are plucky. Like, that's a game that the Raiders probably have nothing to play for. Probably just smoke them. Yeah. Bro, they're getting the Chargers in Week 17. Yeah. And that could be a generational ass-kicking. Like, so that is the same – so let me make sure I'm right with this. So, that week of football, Week 16, Denver hosts Buffalo on Christmas Day. Okay? And, like, who knows who you're rooting for in that game, right? Sure, right. Like, it could be massive either way for the Chiefs. Two days later, the Chiefs host the 49ers. Oof. And then the following weekend – make sure I'm right with this here – the Broncos – Yeah, it's awesome. The Broncos are at New England, and the Chiefs are playing at the Chargers. Like, there is an opportunity for, like, mass hilarity to ensue. Yeah. In that weekend of football. Like, that stretch of eight days is going to be insane. Okay? When Denver and the Chiefs are on – neck and neck, and the Pats are trying to desperately make the playoffs. Right. And the Chargers put out an inactive list that's longer than, like, the census roll of Los Angeles. It's going to be ungodly. It really – just absolutely hilarious football all the way around. The Chargers, man. Herbert, as we do this, by the way, we're in the middle of the third quarter. He is 9 of 19 with a pick and 63 yards. Looking good. Ooh. Looking good. Also, Drake May has thrown three interceptions so far today.
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Speaker 1Oh, you know, they drafted Matthew Golden from Texas. She took the wrong guy from Texas.
Speaker 3A.D. Mitchell played in this game, by the way. The other guy from Texas in that game. Man did nothing. Yeah, he has. Did you see the very beginning of the broadcast? J.J. Watt was like, he's like the dude from Happy Kids. Gilmore, look at his hand.
Speaker 1Yes, I did. By the way, were you getting a Spanish audio feed as well as English audio feed? No, I don't think so. That happened for like a bunch of people, including me. Really? The English feed of Nansen Watt was like on even levels of volume with the Spanish feed the entire game. So, like, I never heard a word anybody said because they were just canceling each other out the entire time.
Speaker 3Oh, wow. I wonder. So, I was watching on the antenna locally here.
Speaker 1I was on Paramount Plus and there were a bunch of people on Twitter like, for the love of God, fix your feet. They never did. Wow. Yeah, I got the English and Spanish feed the entire game.
Speaker 3Well, that's a bummer because I think J.J. Watt actually did a phenomenal job. That was one of the things I was going to say is like, I thought J.J.
Speaker 1Watt is pretty good. I'm sure he did. I was screaming at them the entire game anyway, so it didn't really matter. And then after the game, by the way, Justin Fields was like, yeah, we just put in the quarterback sneak.
Speaker 3This week. We should probably talk about that, huh?
Speaker 1Yeah. You know what? I've been relatively positive here.
Speaker 3Yeah. Can we get pissed off? Yeah. You have. You've done a very good job. I will say that. Credit where credit's due. After a big 35 to 12 win, you probably do need to take a positive high road. I found it very hard for me to take a positive high road after that game because of the comments that were made after the game. What happened in the first half? Well, we continued to see just over and over again, keep rearing its ugly head. And again, this didn't cost them a game, but still, the fact that it's still there is frustrating. The Chiefs ran a quarterback sneak for the first time since probably Patrick Mahomes got hurt. I think it was probably the first time that they've ran it. Maybe a little bit after because these are these
Speaker 1from Blake Bell a little bit fumbled because they are. They did fumble.
Speaker 3And it was it was just a horrible run play. It was just not really ran very well. And it looked like they put it in this. week which is
Speaker 1a day um look here's my biggest problem that play other than like justin fields which is my god man come on um yeah did you happen to notice who was behind fields like very far behind was
Speaker 3mahomes right mom yeah fuck's
Speaker 1he doing out there yeah what do you think the jets are gonna like account for him like hey they might pitch it out here right you play tonga on every third and f and one all season long and this was the time tonga should be on the field they're like now you know what mahomes yeah well like the personnel choices that they make are just jarring every fucking week and then i love by the way they had that with the fourth and goal down at the one yard line and instead of that was a time like sneak over no push pass like into just a sea of humanity that he got by three inches into the end zone on
Speaker 3which technically i think was logged as a run
Speaker 1too but it was it was yeah um look i'm not gonna move off how i felt after the last game because i honestly do feel the same way after this game andy reed it's over okay i just don't know how you can watch these games and feel like yeah he's doing a great job he's doing an awful job man he's doing an awful job coaching team and and i'll give you a million how many you want the fourth and one down at the goal line that was ridiculous i know it worked it was a ridiculous play call um you have kenneth walker and emma johnson and that's your fucking answer to it creed humphrey rolls a snapback every week can they fix this what is wrong with him no they can't i mean this is like and i know creed's like this on the sale while everybody loves him and i and look man wouldn't trade him for any of the center of football there comes a point snap the fucking ball correctly like come on this is ridiculous yeah get the ball back to my homes you could watch another team all year and see one or two bad snaps doesn't want you to twice a game it is eventually going to cost him in a massive spot it's going to happen um they're third and 12 where she writes was not on the field and royals and andrew armstrong were did did andy have like an aneurysm before that play what is that what are you do like you there is no reasonable answer to why the hell are you doing that why correct correct what are you doing like and this is the kind of stuff that i'm not i'm honestly not i'm not getting on any media member there i'm not getting on any media member there i'm not getting on any media member there they all do a good job but like why is that like that to me is a question has to be asked because they've done this on multiple times like why what is the thought and if he gives you this like well you know that's just what we thought was okay i don't give a shit why why do you think that's best what is the thought process i'd ask him that every time he walked off the podium what is the thought process behind that because one guy can't catch a cold barefooted in alaska and the other one has like six career catches so what the fuck is the thought process what is the thought process why are you taking rashid rights off the field when these two guys who combine between them are about a quarter of the player of rashid rights why are they on the field on third and twelfth what is your thought process what are you doing and if he's going to sit there and say well you know this is what i thought was best that's great why did you think that was best that is a fair question if he can't answer that question that's his fucking problem he needs to answer that question what is the reasoning what is the don't get snippy with the media after the game about that question what is the reasoning what is the reasoning what is the reasoning you guys want to see it now you got well how about executing it i don't care if vahe gregorian and nate taylor and all the rest of the guys who work their ass off every week happen to ask you about it which by the way they should ask you about it that's their job don't sit there and get smug about it well you know we tried it and that's what happened you guys happy no i'm not happy you fumbled the damn ball like it this is the kind of stuff that it didn't bite them in the ass against the jets because the jets suck but if they do this in three weeks in buffalo they're they wouldn't be up 14 to 12 against buffalo at halftime if they played like that they'd be down 24 to 7 okay like this is the problem this is the problem so if you want to be negative about here's the negativity their their personnel usage makes no sense the play calling down near the goal line makes very little sense this insistence on butker who andy again was also like you know i'm just gonna get ahead of this line of questioning buddy he stinks he stinks he can't make a kick get rid of him he can't make a kick get rid of him he can't make a kick get rid of him he can't make a kick get rid of him it's over put him on ir i don't care like this cannot turn into this like kleido was a lair thing they had going for like six years we're like well you know we just love clay i don't give a shit put him on ir pay him i don't care you know pass the hat to pay him i don't like whatever i don't care everybody can just toss the check in but like at some point he is actively murdering your chance to win football games yeah and again it didn't matter because the jets blow but like against a real football team that cost you the game go look back a week ago if he hits that goal they're not trying to score a touchdown at the goal line they're kicking the chip shot winning the game right so like and then today they take three penalties dave tobe's team countable two of them oh yeah one of which was a 79 yard penalty in actuality okay stop fucking taking them i don't care and i like it's almost like the moneyball movie where maybe the maybe fitch has to just start cutting some of these guys so they can't use them anymore maybe that's just what has to happen like maybe andy's got to get in there tomorrow find that the buckers key card doesn't work anymore they go what happened again we released them yeah i don't give a shit have caliendo kick i don't care it's over he's done it's gone like that is the kind of stuff for me anyway that if i was going to be negative and upset with something that's the stuff i'm negative and upset with yeah it's this unending insistence on doing dumb shit that no one has any reason for like that's the thing that drives me the most nuts if you're going to do this stuff you're the head coach like ultimately hell you're empowered to do it why what is the reasoning behind any of this stuff it's just this endless parade of shit that like no one ever gets an answer for and it's like we're just all supposed to accept it because hey you know that's what andy i don't give a damn what do you want like what is the reasoning behind that that's insane football it's like at the end of the commander's rams game for anyone didn't see it the commander's down a touchdown the last minute they're within hail mary range and dan quinn just kept throwing the ball underneath with no timeouts until they ran out of time dan buddy throw it the fucking end zone yeah you're gonna teleport up there and snap the ball and spike it like what are you doing that's the kind of thing that like he doesn't get away with because he's never won a super bowl support 23 lead very fair andy gets away with it and like andy does deserve latitude than other guys because he can flash three rings at you and tell you to shut up and like that's fair man but there also comes a point that three rings doesn't excuse some of the most odd behavior you'll ever see from an nfl team i don't care you want look the nfl man not for long that's great you want three super bowls that you will be in the hall of fame in the ring of honor and they'll bring you back every year the rest of your life and they should but right now it's not about 2022 i don't care like right now is about how do you win now and he has a lot of questions that i i have yet to hear an answer for it did
Speaker 3really fire me up to hear his quote because in the time that they ran the quarterback sneak i think i tweeted out that was like the most disingenuous quarterback sneak attempt that i've ever seen they didn't even try to do anything of like tush push mechanisms of it was a quarterback sneak that you got to see run in the mid to 2010s when they didn't have the rule about the ball game and they didn't have the rule about the ball game getting pushed from behind he's just like yeah we'll run this one and not nothing that makes the play successful and that was kind of it just seemed straight up disingenuous and i tweeted at the time it's like he just seems like he ran that just to be like oh look see i ran it and i tried it didn't work yeah and that was his quote essentially his quote is charles goldman tweeted out you guys asked for it we gave it to you it didn't work how do you feel those are hard to practice we've got to make sure we get the snap down i'm sure it is hard to practice but buddy why are you playing this game you're not playing this game you're not playing this game you're not putting a quarterback sneak why are you just now putting a quarterback sneak that is coaching malpractice that doesn't this this does not make it any worse this is not i mean sorry any better it makes it almost worse that it's just like yeah we just now started to do a sneak it is still coaching malpractice it does not excuse anything else from the execution side they should have executed it yes but they had no shot they just started implementing it a week ago and also again
Speaker 1first of all why was this not implemented in like may secondly why is mahomes on the field if he's not seeking it what are you doing you think it's it
Speaker 3i'm sorry to interrupt you do you think my home's against
Speaker 1that yeah he's twice the size of him and he's and he's got hands like yeah he would have caught the snap like i just again why is he on the field man yeah what are you doing like they don't put any thought into the details of what they do like another i don't know this one i'm not putting on age i don't know what the assignments were and i saw saying that the enemy was going absolutely berserk on emma johnson when mahomes got hurt yeah like why is jaylen moore one-on-one with fucking david bailey what are you doing he did really well by the way david bailey did it was james gray okay i don't know if johnson's supposed to chip there and johnson for the assignment and that may very well be what happened like i don't know i'm not in the hall but i can tell you right now there are a lot of plays in that game where it was very obvious that you know they were in to either you guys or a side, like, why, aren't you giving help and i know i know i know the fucking answer and the answer is the same answer it always is which is really andy doesn't like to give help i don't give a shit i don't care you know what like i don't like to clean up piss off the floor but i got a four-year-old daughter and sometimes shit happens man like i don't i don't give a shit you imagine me walking out of the bathroom calling it to my wife hey steph was there's an accident there i don't like dealing with that shit you want to handle that right okay we've been divorced court yeah like the idea that like why i just don't like doing that so i'm not gonna do it i don't like cleaning up the fucking leaves but guess what my ass is gonna be out there tomorrow cleaning up 10 hours worth of leaves because damn connecticut every fucking tree in the world's got a billion leaves on it okay so i'm gonna be out there with the lawn vacuum just getting answered all damn day like i gotta get one of those things great that's like it still takes forever but it takes 16 bags of leaves and makes it one bag um by the way i still have 38 bags and i'm halfway done all right yeah good times but like that's the point who the hell like i don't enjoy i don't like i'm like awesome fucking a man excellent fucking oak trees dropping shit left and right let's get it like it doesn't matter that you want to do it you need to do what's best you need to do what's best that's that's the job and i if you want to sit down well yeah i don't know i feel like chipping the guy it's not my style i don't give a damn you better chip him that's it i don't care and maybe on that play that maybe was supposed to chip and they didn't i'm willing to hear that but like there are certainly other plays that was not faced by the way as we just the texans just scored another touchdown of the chargers um there's a flag down but the texans seem unbothered by the flag um now they seem slightly bothered i'm not sure either way it is hilarious either way the chargers blow there is uh there is no flag on the play they picked it up 38 to 9 um yeah great showing just i just great showing uh also the packers are laying it on the
Speaker 3way i mean they're just they have wide receivers that are making plays right now and every if you hear any any minor noises from me it's just me watching wide receivers make plays for jordan love they don't even have jayden reed right now you're right correct correct they just got dudes making plays and that's kind of what it's come down to is they they have they've got that but they don't have andrew armstrong though
Speaker 1yeah no or jaylen royals and so look out yeah we gotta take one
Speaker 3more break and then we can talk about what else is going on around the national football league what you took away from the early game as the bangles kind of put it on and they ran a quarterback sneak for a touchdown of course
Speaker 1they did i mean hell he walked
Speaker 3right in yeah and uh other games elsewhere around the league so don't go anywhere we'll take a break we'll be back right after this chiefs i had a loose broker
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Speaker 1get it they get out gained every game they get demonstrably outplayed every game anyway i uh i mean nicks drew for 6.4 yards again per attempt he was awful they ran for three yards per carry even they were awful uh did jaylen wattle even play this sport today one catch for 23 years what is his season stats now i i can look
Speaker 3that up i didn't
Speaker 1say right now he has 30 catches for 337 yards what a trade yeah he's been awful um but it doesn't matter because they continue to win games they were out gained 5.7 yards per play to 4.8 they were out gained in totality 353 to 312 they gave up 28 first downs but they won because the panthers took 13 penalties for 119 yards and committed two turnovers of course yeah um they were the panthers went three out of four in the red zone the panthers uh had essentially the same amount of possession time but the broncos won i look i i firmly just have gotten to the point over the last year and a half i think the broncos stink like i really do but keep winning yeah i mean at some point got to answer they keep winning football games i do feel like at some point like just a four game losing streak's just coming but i felt like that since the beginning of last year so credit to him man credit to him i i don't know i don't know how they continue to do it but they do it i mean it's you gotta give them credit words do they keep winning their games
Speaker 3that's where i'm at is like for the past two seasons they've been doing this yes and maybe i eventually i have to concede that they're a good team i'm not conceding that bo nix is good though i'll never concede that point but maybe i'll concede that the team just knows how to win football games and they're considered on the good tier of teams goodness drake may is bad um there are some games where drake may plays like good and like oh yeah there's drake man there's other games where it's like wolf drake may is playing like a pumpkin or right now this dude will not let go of the football
Speaker 1um packers are good defense though but by the way if you watch that uh that kashon booty touchdown it's one of the most hilarious bits of effort you'll ever see in your life by the
Speaker 3chargers did you happen to see the tweet the dnf or tweet i did yep
Speaker 1yeah i did that scoundrel
Speaker 3man ian's getting
Speaker 1a little more aggressive these days
Speaker 3yeah look to be fair he's co-workers with pat mcafee so we can do whatever he wants i guess now um those are the the leash has been lengthened uh when it comes to pat mcafee uh shout out to my boy kb who uh had responded to me after i had spoke at the uh national college media conference not a big deal standing remotely crowd by the way matt 80 years yeah and then a room for 70 people standing remotely crowd talking about how i tweet about jacking off for jack aglio not the other way but um it was tweeted that like hey before you know it you'll be standing on office chairs ripping your shirt off that's the pinnacle for every media member right like that's what that's what every media member tries to do and i don't know if i can argue with that i think that's what every media member when they get into this profession when they get into the degree when they enroll in the school is like yeah you know what i want to do with my immediate sports media degree is stand on office chairs and rip off my
Speaker 1shirt it's fair honestly it's fair um espn has really lowered the bar uh right right through the uh concrete as to what it takes to you know do journalism like yeah college game day is pretty much unwatchable uh yes it is which is a shame because even as they're not a huge college like i always watch college game day and it is just it's not good man bad it's a bad product No more Lee Corso and way too much Pat McAfee. Even if you like Pat McAfee, it's a fuck ton of Pat McAfee, man.
Speaker 3Yeah. Here's the thing, like, for me, it's just like, he's working way too much. Yes. Like, that can't be good for him. Like, I know that, like, he's annoying and it's like oversaturation is all. Yeah. You just get to a point where, like, people start to hate you, right? You're around so much that people will start to hate you. You have him with Jason Kelsey. You won the Monday Night Games and stuff like that when ESPN started putting Jason Kelsey everywhere. It happens if you're oversaturated. Yes. But he has a young family. Why does he want to be working this much is the other thought process. I'm like, buddy, you can chill. You don't have to do all that. Man doesn't want to go home. That's a great, great point. I never thought about that.
Speaker 1But it's, yeah, it's also, like, way too much, like, just like Kirk Herbstreit in general. And I actually like Kirk Herbstreit. Same. That's enough. I never thought anybody. Anybody could get me to dislike, like, seeing a dog. Because I love dogs. Same. Man did it.
Speaker 3Well, Peter didn't love to be Benny. You know, old Ben.
Speaker 1No. Well, his dog, like, not picked a single game right all year.
Speaker 3Honestly, it's kind of impressive.
Speaker 1Like, get a dog right, man. The dog is the Harrison Butker of dog pickers. Like, it's, yeah, it's disaster. Crazy games on college Saturday. Although, Mizzou. I don't give a shit about Mizzou either way. Yeah, I do. It should be an investigation.
Speaker 3I feel dead inside because of that game.
Speaker 1That was insane.
Speaker 3Oh, did you see they dropped him out of the polls because of it, too?
Speaker 1Yeah, I did. And I got to tell you, like, for any Mizzou fan out there, I will tell you, again, I am a Bison. I could care less. The day ruled that pass by Arch Manning, a fumble, is legitimately on the Mount Rushmore of the worst calls I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Like, at first, I didn't even know what they were reviewing because I had the game unmuted. Correct, yeah. And I was like, what, like, what are they looking at? Mm-hmm. And I couldn't figure it out. And then I unmuted it, and they were talking about, like, oh, yeah, that was his arm going forward. It was his arm going forward. I mean, the ball, 15 yards in the air. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nope, fumble. I was like, that's the first time I've ever seen that called a fumble, ever. And then you have
Speaker 3to be like, oh, there's a clear, it's a clear and obvious recovery. And I think it has to be an immediate clear and obvious, too. And it sat there for, like.
Speaker 1Yeah, the man's, like, picked up. Like, he was picking up change on the street.
Speaker 3Yeah. And then they advanced it 12 yards down the field. That's the part that I was just like, this is, this is insane. Yeah, that was, that was pretty bad. It made me feel dead inside. And I was like, well, at least I can watch the Kansas City Chiefs play.
Speaker 1They'll make me feel better. And they, like, ultimately did, but it was still painful.
Speaker 3Yeah, they did, but it took a long way to get there. It took a long way to make me feel better. Matt, any other games around the National Football League that I'm just looking at? Looking at the scores. Because Chiefs played at noon, right? So I didn't have an opportunity to watch any of, really, to get tuned in to any of the other games. The Lions beat the Dolphins 19-9. We don't talk about that. I just saw that score. I was like, what? What in the world? We don't talk about that ever.
Speaker 1Ever. Yeah. No, there's nothing else to talk about. We've hit it all. The Eagles and Giants was disgraceful. The Browns the same. It was fucking disgusting.
Speaker 3I did see that. That would go into overtime.
Speaker 1It did. They actually made people watch for an extra 10 minutes. No, nothing that really. I mean, listen, Monday Night Football is going to be interesting. Yes, it will. Bills of Vikings. But yeah, man. I mean, listen, the Chiefs won. They're 6-2. They go to Atlanta. I mean, we saw Atlanta in Madrid, and I got to tell you.
Speaker 3Ooh, they get Atlanta off of Madrid. I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1Yeah, they do, which matters. And Atlanta sucks, man. Yeah, they're bad. Like, Friarwood hasn't seen a lot of Atlanta. Understand. Sean's awesome. And Drake London's really good, and nobody else is worth a damn. Kyle Pitts is horrendous. He's been another one this year. They're not good, man. So, I mean, doesn't mean the Chiefs can't find a way to go in there and lay an egg of all that. But, like, it's a Chief play. You know, here, honest to God, I think the Jetson. If the Jets and Falcons played 10 times, they'd probably split the games. Yeah. I don't think it was that big. It doesn't make a difference, frankly. They really don't.
Speaker 3Ooh, what about the Cardinals? Where does he throw the Cardinals in there? Just play the Cardinals. How many times did the Cardinals win? Does anyone win? No,
Speaker 1because you have to watch it. Right. I think the Jets are. I think it's also like a spot.
Speaker 3Those teams are the same. So, I think you're really sorting through some piles of ass here, right, with those two teams. They're all the same. Damn team, man. Yeah, you're sorting through some shit. I do think that, like, the Cardinals are probably the best team out of those three. Man, I don't know, though, because, like, we've seen. I think it probably isn't Atlanta, but, man, they're all bad. Yeah, that was my. They're all really bad. Like. The Cardinals do have Gardner Minshew now. And they have three points currently. So, I. Yeah, they do. They probably won't have very many more. Yeah. So. All right. I got nothing else. All right. Let's slip through this. Let's get out of here. Appreciate everybody hanging out with us, listening, liking, subscribing, and telling us how much better we are than everybody else. Yes. Thank you, guys. We do appreciate it. We will be back on Wednesday to talk about. God. God knows what we'll talk about. I'm sure something will happen. Some trade. Oh, yeah. It'll be the trade deadline next time we talk.
Speaker 1We will be talking about trades.
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