Teyana Taylor, Babyface, Allyson Felix, Tabitha Brown & Bobby Hundreds

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After all, this big world we call home is yours for the making. So, make what matters. Learn more at autodesk.com. With Autodesk, you can make anything. Were you fast right away? Like, is it the equivalent of, like, you step on a court and do a 360 dunk? Like, were you like, holy shit, I'm fast? From the time I came out in high school, that first time I ran, like, the organized track. At the end of high school, I went pro. And the next year, I was in the Olympics. So, it all happened. Come on, at the end of high school. Three months later, I was in Athens winning gold medals. On this episode of The Shop Uninterrupted, Maverick Carter and Paul Rivera are joined by Tiana Taylor. I think success is actually the greatest revenge. I think success and grace is the greatest revenge, you know. For me, it's grace over grudges all the time. I think success is the greatest revenge, you know. Yeah, she was dissing you as more like, you know, talking through her own pain. It was projected. For your point, it's like, you ain't got a group, all of us, in that. Like, your experience don't have nothing to do with mine. Right. And so that was really it. And then I just prayed for her. You're right. It didn't really have anything to do with you. Yeah, it was all her. She was just like, what's going to happen to her, too? Yeah, exactly. And so my thing was, everybody thought I was, like, gave her this, like, shady read. They was like, ooh, she cursed out without curse words. And I was like, you be doing these reads with a smile on your face. I'll be sitting with you, but you be doing them. You be doing them. I be giving the grace. Okay. The grace. There it is. You be giving the grace away. There it is. But the reason I think people were sharing it and had so much to say about it is because nobody had ever given Wendy grace. Everybody would always give back. Oh, it was tough on her, yeah. It was always the give back spirit. But where's that come from for you? Like, we can look back at it and think about it with that grace, but in the moment, right? Like, our first reaction as humans sometimes is to be like, oh, I'm going to show you, right? Where's that come from for you? For me, I mean, I feel like it's just the work that I've been doing as I've been healing, right, on my own journey. You know, in the last five or six years, coming from a dark space of being sick, I had to really get to a place where I said, you know what, God, if you heal me, you can have me. And I meant it. And that was almost six years ago. And in that, in saying that, something changed inside of me. And I no longer wanted to be in charge of me. I wanted to be who he created me to be. And I completely surrendered, submitted myself to him. That doesn't mean that I'm not triggered, right? But when something happens, right? Because you're human. Because I'm human, and I'm on a healing journey. Healing is not permanent, because you can still get triggered. And so, I can feel something, but because I'm on a journey, I know I need to take a minute. I'll know if I'm triggered by something. I'll be like, wait a minute, Tab, you're about to react in a way that you shouldn't react. You don't work too hard on this. Right? And so, I just take a moment. Anytime we react out of emotion, it's most times not the right reaction. You ain't processed yet. So, yeah, so I just take time with it. Did you ever talk to Wendy? I've never talked to her, but I pray for her every day since. I think that would be a great conversation, because sometimes also just seeing, like, if you could look at her and say, okay, I can only imagine the pain you're going through, I think that the best of the grace is probably even reaching out in whatever way you can, you know? Because at the end of the day, it's like, you just never know who's crying out for help. Absolutely. I would love to embrace her and show her love and grace in person. Well, look at our special guest today. I can't even ask how long it is. But by the way, I was, as an athlete, though, getting back is a part of the thing, like, especially in your sport. Athletes is different. I mean, I love when somebody tells me I can't do something. Or you race for a living, like, if Jane Doe beats you, like, the next race, I'm getting her back, right? You need that, right? Yes, I think you do. And sometimes I think you build it into, you know, maybe something happened and it's not that big, but you make it bigger because you need that, like, you feed off of it. So for me, it definitely motivates me and drives me and, you know, to reach a new height that I didn't even know. And then it's like, okay, I'm grateful that this happened. But y'all know you probably look back and smirk at that same girl. You're so quiet and beautiful and graceful. The walk-off. Did you ever end up on the track, was there ever a competitor that you ended up, like, y'all had some words out there? Because you're competing. It's kind of, it's, I know it's in there. I feel like I usually keep it pretty cute. Yeah, you ran with a, you went with, she kicked everybody's ass with a smile, for sure. Yeah, but I mean, I think it's healthy. For sure. It's a part of it. And it's a competitive sport, you know, you're going up against people and it's just, yeah. At what age, when did you start running? I didn't start running until high school. That's late, right? That's late for, yeah. Wow, really? So you didn't know when you. I knew I was athletic, like I was always, I have an older brother and I was always just trying to keep up with him. Basketball was actually my first love, but it was like very apparent that I wasn't gonna be it. So it made my way to track. I kind of stumbled into it. I actually went out for the team to meet people and find friends. And then I had a great coach early on who, you know, spent the time, invested in me. So were you fast right away? Like, is it the equivalent of like, you step on a court and do a 360 dunk? I mean, from the time I came out in high school, that first time I ran, like, organized track, at the end of high school, I went pro, and the next year, I was in the Olympics. Come on, if you're in the high school, you're in the track. Hey, you're like, when did you know? She's like, that's the time I stepped on the track. She's like, oh, but I'm just lacing my spikes up for that first meet. She's like, not only me, everyone knew. The question is, did you know from the get-go that you were that good? Did you know it? And did you love it? I did not know. Did you love it? And I don't, from the beginning, I don't think I was deeply in love with it. I was like, okay, here's a way to get to college. You know, here's a way to travel. I saw it as, like, my way out. Survival. Yeah. And then it was like, I didn't even know. I didn't grow up, like, watching the, like, Olympics or anything. Right, right. So I didn't know this could be, like, a career path. So when people started telling me that, and they started talking about shoe deals and stuff, I was like, oh. Okay. All right. Can I say what now? Well, you bring up an interesting point, talking about shoe deals. Yeah. You've challenged Nike, and keep me honest here, when you were pregnant, I think there was a situation with Nike on maternity leave. Yeah, I went through kind of a really dark period. Basically, even before I got pregnant, I was offered 70% less than what I had been previously making. And there was a lot of fear, even in starting a family, because what I had seen in my sport was women's contracts being paused. I saw them hiding pregnancies. So when you say contracts being paused, someone gets pregnant, and your sponsorship is, wow. Yeah. Because you can't compete. Yeah. Wow. Okay. And you said hiding a pregnancy, too. Yeah, so women were hiding pregnancies, and so when I found myself in that situation, I kind of felt like, well, I think I've accomplished enough. Like, at that point, I had been to four Olympics. I was a six-time Olympic champion. I was like, I think I'm safe. Like, I'm good. Yeah, you're like, I'm me. That's the point. Exactly. Exactly. But I found myself in a very similar situation, and instead of, like, the financial files, I turned my fight towards asking for maternal protections. And basically, the way that track and field contracts work is that they're performance-based. So you go to the Olympics, you get a medal, you get a bonus. You don't, you get a reduction. So if you become pregnant, there's nothing in place to protect you. So I was essentially just asking for that. And I was actually told that I could have time for that. That would be fine, but when the contract came back, there was no legal wording to tie it to pregnancy. And so that meant that it wouldn't set that precedent. Like, I would be okay, but all the other women that I had seen. Which is a big deal. You won the. I was terrified. You know, it's Nike. And I, we had a great relationship. I was. You've been with them forever. Yeah, almost a decade at that point. Wow. So it was really scary, but, you know, I came forward. I left over that, but they changed the policy after the op-ed came out. It was about two weeks later, and now they offer 18 months of protection. That's awesome. That's amazing. And now, by the way, we were talking earlier, you're retired. I'm retired. When spring and track season comes around, can you feel your body, like. It's so weird. Like. You literally feel like, we're supposed to be somewhere. I keep feeling like, I gotta be ready. Like. Nobody's gonna want to race me. Like. I need to be, like, in full training mode. So I'm still, like, navigating that. Like, it's a very strange space to be in. I'm trying to figure it out. But I always heard people say, like, it's really hard, you know, retiring and pivoting to your next thing, and it is really hard. And can you turn that off? Or, like, are you, like, in the hotel gym? Working out. You see them on the treadmill and you're like, beep, beep. Yeah. I mean, I'm still getting it in. I love it. Gotta be ready for that race. Yeah. I love that. Because in the back of her head, somebody want to try her. Yeah. Stay ready, man. Gotta stay ready. Faith, will you ever retire? You always make music. Yeah. Why? Yeah, of course. Yeah. It's the one thing that, you know, it's life. Yeah. You know, it's what I love. And I don't see. Unless you have to stop, you know, and I don't see any reason having to stop, you know. I've been fortunate and blessed enough to be able to work with, you know, younger artists and just every artist from every genre, so it's a little. I've been blessed enough to. I've been able to do that. And you love the younger artists that you work with now. They're a lot different than what you guys were doing in the 90s, right? A little different in the sense that, you know, I used to write all the words and write everything. Today, you know, you can't write the words for me. So, nah, nah, I ain't saying that. I wouldn't say it that way. And so, and it's actually fun to write with everyone and to get their sense of things, because things are different. People, they talk different, they say things different. Meanings are the same. It's still, everybody still gets their heart broken, still falls in love. It's a different, it's a different feeling. You've spoken about heartbreak. I'm curious to know your point of view on, do you think artists make their best work through pain or heartbreak? Not all, but, I mean, That's what I thrived on. - He didn't even get his girl on it. - He started his whole career doing it. His whole career is based on heartbreak. - Yeah. - His whole fucking life. - He still didn't even get the girl on it. - No, but I thrived on heartbreak. I thrived on pain that was in voices. And when I first heard Toni Braxton, the pain that was in her voice. Mary J, the pain that she had, that's like, that gets me excited. I was like, "Ooh, I can write for that." But through the pain and through the heartbreak, then there comes the other side of it. Then you do find love and that feeling. And so a lot of times when I would write songs, I'd remember that pain that I felt as a kid and from seventh and eighth grade. And I go to that place 'cause it's so passionate that you feel that stronger than any time in your life. - Yeah. - And that's what I would use when I'm writing a song. - Tiana, and your new movie deals with a lot of pain, the mother and the child. How do you get, as an actor, how do you get yourself, because you could be having a lovely day, but then you show up on set and you have to convey pain. How did you do that in the new movie? - I mean, I just went back to what I was literally dealing with at that moment, you know? I was six months postpartum. So I was dealing with postpartum depression. And then just being back at home, like being back in my hood, you know, performing in Harlem and shit, like I lost a lot of friends and family. So I was going to funerals during my lunch breaks. You know what I'm saying? So Tuesday I was at this funeral, Friday I'm at this funeral. So it was just like, I had to take everything I was going through and kind of like put it into Inez, my character. The hardest part was going home and flipping the switch and just being super mom. 'Cause I had an outlet. I finally had an outlet to be able to have my moment of weakness and just kind of break down, scream, yell, cry. So it was really easy to-- - It was almost therapeutic? - Yeah, in a way. Because I mean, you know, having a newborn, it's never any real time for you, you know? To think, to cry, to, everything's about you. It's about baby, 'cause you're already panicking. And even though you already got a kid, when you have a newborn, it just still feel different. You know, like my oldest was six when I had, you know, my youngest. So I'm like, I don't remember half of it. Is she okay? You're just a pimple, oh my God. So you so occupied in just being mom and being a superhero all the time. You don't got time to think, cry, feel or anything, you know? So I think that it was like, yeah, it was therapeutic to be able to go on set and be weak. - You remind me a lot of like, female version of like Jamie Foxx. Like, you're so talented, right? Like, no one can fuck with you on the dancing thing. Style, I mean, look at you. Style-wise, like you have all these things that you're super ill at. Do you feel because you're great at so many things that you maybe don't get credit for any one thing as much as you should? - Honestly, that's a great question. And I don't know the answer to it. Like people just, you know, sometimes it take that one thing to make people like finally wake up without pressing snooze. Like, you know, when our alarm go off, we hit that snooze six times. Every five minutes, that shit coming back up. You feel what I'm saying? But I think like even moments like this with the movie, I think this is like the moment to open up everybody's eyes and go back to doing all the other things that I love. 'Cause in my time, I looked at it like, okay, this weight is just punishment. Like God, what's going on? What's happening? Not realizing that the weight wasn't punishment, it was preparation. - And Bobby, you were obviously with the hundreds, which is one of the most legendary streetwear brands. Ever. Yours is all about community. Like how have you created that community, kept it together and they're so loyal to everything that you do. And how long has the hundreds been around by the way? - We're celebrating our 20th year. - Wow. - Which is wild. 'Cause it seems like we just started it two years ago. I still feel like it was my partner, my friend, Ben and I sitting in our apartment, just drawing sketches on t-shirts and writing stories. - What was the inspiration? What was like driving you to that? - Honestly, it was just, I wanted to be heard. I felt like I was excluded from every conversation. Nobody wanted to hear anything I had to say my entire life. I was a middle child. I grew up being a brown person in predominantly white neighborhood. There was definitely no Asian Americans in the vicinity. And I was just drawn to these marginal subcultures, these fringe interests like skateboarding and hardcore music and punk and backpack rap and graffiti. And there was no place for it in mainstream culture. So I'm watching film, listening to music, and I'm already speaking my language. And then it came to a point where I was like, man, I just feel left out. I don't have my own community, but if I build a brand, I can create my own world. And so that's what I champion when I talk about entrepreneurialism and I'm inspiring young people to build brands or start off their careers. I'm like, if you don't see a place for yourself in the world, make one. And then you can create a home for others to be welcomed, to be included in. And it becomes really beautiful, remarkable experience for everybody. And then it inspires them to do the same. And so everybody wins. - But are you okay with, as you said, your inspiration came from being a part of these subcultures, right? Whether it was skating, streetwear. And now those sub, because what happens, right? Those subs become, skating became this thing that a guy like me who's never been on a skateboard in my life, but I wear skateboard shoes and I like skateboard culture. So skateboarding becomes this thing that, oh, big institutions, whether it be an art gallery, a company see these subs and start using these subs to grow their business. Are you okay? Do you like that? 'Cause then the sub is no longer the same. - I think the tension is important. - It's a bit like hip hop, right? Hip hop started as this sub thing. - Absolutely. - And then it became, now it's the biggest genre in the world. - I think there needs to be this exchange. You know, skateboarding is a great example because if it had stayed the subculture that it was, it would have been this really great secret cool guy club, secret handshake club in the background that no one would have been aware of. - Well, hip hop also took it too. - Yeah. - Right, 'cause I remember my first exposure to skateboard culture was through Pharrell. - Absolutely, yes, yeah. - Through P and his style. I never fathomed P was a skateboarder. He was called Skateboard P right in his, and then Wayne and then Nike and then Bape came. - Yeah. - But yes, to your point there. - No, but now big designers are coming too. My only issue with the big designers with the skate shoes, I used to skate, I was also signed to Pharrell as well, is like that I feel like the skaters are exclusive 'cause they're not included. - No, that's my question, is that okay? - If you gonna have some like high designer, like Dior skater, like let me see somebody on a skateboard doing a kickflip or something in the campaign, you know what I'm saying? But honestly, it's become a blueprint for a lot of like big designers that are making the skate shoes. - Totally. - And I don't really see a lot of skateboarders around, and then I ain't gonna find out where a few of them should be fired. You know, I'm a keeper of the beam. But of course in my head, I'm like, I'm DCs, I'm, you feel me? Like the original boys, you know what I'm saying? Soho kid, like I know all about it. So it's like to see a big designer do it, I'm like, oh, this looks exactly like him. - You know, one of my favorite movies was "Rocky." And if you think about what that movie was about, it was about the champion Apollo Creed and Rocky, who was a no-name, off-the-street, underground boxer. And in the beginning of the film, Apollo realizes that he's losing touch with the streets. There's a disconnect from culture. And the people are kind of looking at him as you're now becoming the villain. And so he starts looking around the streets saying, who's someone of the people that I can challenge and be welcomed back into the community? And meanwhile, Rocky's like, I just need a shot. Get me on the main stage so that I can get notoriety. People need to see how I box. And so they needed each other, and it's a dance, right? - And they became friends through that tension. - And they become friends, and then you get a remarkable film franchise out of it that continues to this day. - It never hurts, by the way. - That's the way the franchise, yeah. But where the problem becomes, and I think this is to your point, is if there's a disparity and an imbalance where the corporation is now leading the dance or starting to step all over your partner's toes, and that happens much too often. - So have you had big companies come to you to buy hundreds of partners? - Absolutely, yes. - And that you've turned down? What are those conversations like? - They're really flattering at first. And I talk about it in my memoir, in my book, but it's like, you know, we have like everyone from Tommy Hilfiger, Cordis, for months and years, and then Echo and all these guys looking into the business. And it is really flattering, you know, when you build a business out of nothing, materialize something out of scratch, and then all of a sudden your heroes are coming and trying to offer you money for it. But at the end of the day, you know, look, money is great, but at the end of the day, I still would just be doing what I do every day. So even if someone paid me $200 million, which nobody's offering me that, but if you are, maybe I'll entertain. If you give me a hundred million dollars, I probably would spend it on a yacht or something, but I'd still be at work. I just want to pay. I'm like you. I'm an artist and I just want to make stuff and see people wearing and bring people together through the product. And I'm very happy with that. - But you've also, like everybody else, wrote books and done a lot of other things. - That's right, yeah. - All of you in the room do a lot of things. Is that just like who we are, or is it just- - That might be, 'cause I'm like a Glade plug-in. Listen, plug me in this whole house. Don't have me trapped in the bathroom. Like why just the bathroom smell good? When the whole, you know, the whole building can smell good. - If a door open, I want to go in there and look around. - Really? - Yeah, I need to see what else is out there. - Exactly. - Is there stuff out there that you haven't done that you want to do for anybody? - Absolutely. Absolutely. - Like what? - I feel like I'm just getting started, right? Of course, my background was acting. Nobody knew that, you know, nobody knew me rather, but I did more acting for the last, you know, over 20 years, a lot of small victories, but never anything where people would be like, oh. Sometimes, every now and then people be like, "Was that you?" I be like, "Uh." some stuff I don't want to, you know, I don't know. But I would love to get back into that. Like the talk show space, that type of thing. But even more business. I mean, you know, I have a hair care line, Donna's Recipe, because y'all know I call my hair Donna. And so just even building that out and doing skin care, like all these different things that I can include my family in. I just think, you know, whatever I think of, like to me, if I'm able, why not? And if I enjoy it, right? So that is a perfect segue. You not only left the swoosh, you created your own shoe. Yeah, our brand is all about purpose. And so when I found myself without a footwear sponsor, I had at that point been to four Olympics, a six-time Olympic champion, but I couldn't find a sponsor. And I was just exhausted and tired of begging. You wouldn't talk to all the companies? Yeah, I think because I had been so Nike branded, like. And they didn't offer you deals? Or you did like the offers they gave you? Like a few this, the other. Yeah, most would not offer. Wow. Which is insane, by the way. It's a four-time Olympic. And I think I was at a place in my career where I think brands saw like, it was kind of like it was done, you know? They thought you were finished. Yeah, at that point I was, you know, I had just become a mother and all these things. And so it was like, okay, I'm going to bet on myself. I'm going to do this myself. And it's more about the reason behind it. And for me, it was that what we thought we were doing was just creating, shoes for me to wear in the Olympics. But then we realized that shoes have not, sneakers are not made for women. So a shoe is made off of a last, which is just a mold of a foot. And it's a man's foot to make women's sneakers. It's very hard to make a last, by the way. Yeah, which I've. It's very hard because, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but the reason is because people never think about it that way. All the shoes we have on, the last, literally the mold that your foot goes into, has to, they have to make one for that shoe, that shoe, that fits billions of people's feet, who some people's feet are a little wider, a little skinnier. But that one last, all of our feet, so it's very hard. But never a woman's foot. Super, millions and millions of millions. But why is it never a woman's foot, you know, that is in the, so that was, that's what our company Sash does. We make shoes to fit the form of a female foot. And I think we're just so much bigger than a shoe company. To your point, it's about that purpose. I see when people are wearing my shoes, it's like, you stand with women. Like you stand for saying that women deserve better. And that we're not going to be an afterthought. Were you scared to start it? You must have been. Terrified. I mean, being an athlete all my life and going into this industry, it's like I, just imposter syndrome, like I'm, I don't know enough about it. Like I haven't been doing it long enough, but then starting to reach out to people, you know, Tiffany Beers, who's iconic shoemaker, engineer, and just, I think the help and encouragement, and that's just been really refreshing, I feel like this space has really been, um, yeah, people have been really helpful. That's great. But do you ever worry if I do too many things, how can I be great? How can I, how can I make sure all those things are you making sure they're all really great? You don't worry about that. No, I don't. And this is why, because I do everything rooted in TAB. I don't just put my name on anything. Like I started, I named my hair Donna in 2018. Right. And so everybody, listen, people know my hair. Before they know me, they'd be like, I thought that was you. Cause I saw Donna. If I have a haircare line, it's only going to be Donna's recipe. Right? If I have a clothing line, it's going to be bright and it's going to look like me. People be like, I saw that and was like, I know this TAB. If I do it, it's rooted in every part of who I am. I ain't going to just do it just to do it. Like the money going to come, but if I'm staying true to who I am, I ain't got to worry about like, oh, I'm not doing it well, because I know when I put my heart and my mind into it, I was like, yeah, I was putting me into it. Yeah. Face it. You've, you've said the word artist a couple of times and you as a true artist, is there an album you've worked on that for us is successful and we've grown up on and all those things that you're like, ah, I changed something. I wish I could have changed something going back in it. Almost everything. Like a true artist. And do you have one song that's your favorite or are they all like, no, I don't. And it's like a lot of times if something comes on that I've done, then I, I usually turn the station because if I start listening, then I'll be like, damn, should've, should've did this. Should've did that. That's the line about an artist and we have a line in our company, you know, it's like the work is never done. You just run out of time. An artist will work because an artist, to his point, every song he's done, he would love to take back in the studio and fuck with the drums a little more and like, just tweak it a little bit more and more. The work is never done on a different artist. I want to ask. I want to ask you, and you're the perfect person to ask us, the word streetwear. Yes. Right? Yeah. Is it putting the culture, putting the genre on a box is, is that an old term? That's a great question. It really is a good question because no one can agree on what the definition of streetwear is. And I think that's probably symptomatic of the, it's the postmodern problem today. No one can agree on what cancel culture is. No one can agree on what the virus is and streetwear is, is a perfect example of that. Yeah. And it gets us into. A lot of sticky territory because high fashion will start claiming streetwear as theirs. And then there's actual street brands that what I define as street brands coming out of New York and Harajuku and London that I'm like, these are the real kids that are creating streetwear. But then that spotlights over here, I've always seen it like the media is that it's like a desk lamp. It's always going to put a halo around what they want to talk about. And the last 10 years it was verge and Jerry and Matt and all these amazing pioneering designers. They're saying this was streetwear. But what's amazing to me about streetwear is it's what's exists in the shadows. And I think that's really a complicated, but also important part of how subculture and culture play together. We like being the ones that are starting trends or monitoring trends and putting them on the map. And then the high fashion guys will come in and start like clocking from there. And again, it's that dance. But I think it's just, I think it's really important and I can't emphasize enough that when we talk about streetwear. And I know the media likes to say it's this, it's really all this that you never see. I really think streetwares is like a day to day manager. Like, you know how like you have two managers, you have the one that's like going to get you all the deals and they like never really see you and you have your day to day that's with you every single day. Like just every single day. Like what I wear to the gas station to me is streetwear, but I've always been a streetwear kid or whatever that's supposed to mean. But when I came out at 15, like that wasn't okay. And now it's this whole big thing. So like he said, like streetwear is really just like, really, I want to say the underdogs because you know, the big dogs will always take the little dog food, you feel what I'm saying? And things have been taken away from me all my life. So I feel you know what I'm saying? It's an attitude. Like you embody the attitude of what streetwear is. It's really hard to diagnose it as a specific fashion, article of clothing or a genre because if I say it's hooded sweatshirt. It's like a day to day. It's like literally whatever is your style. It's your lifestyle. That's what it is. When I walk down this street or walk to this gas station and I'm literally stomping on the streets. This is what I got on. This is my streetwear. You get what I'm saying? But like he said, it's like, everything is always being grabbed and taken somewhere else. And it's like, did you see her streetwear and it's just like, that's not because on a regular day, you just wouldn't do that. And I feel like streetwear has become something as this whole big thing when it's really something so simple. Yes, it is. You know, it really is. The dope side of it. There's four of the other young girls like me where I don't like dressy clothes. So like I remember one time I've always been like that. I've always been like this. Always. Since the day I came out, I was talking to Kanye and he was like, I love that you never change for anybody. Like he's like, I ain't going front like in a few years, like how you dress this shit going to be in and you never have to throw in another hill. I used to be pissed. I want to wear no dress. So it's like the flip side of it is now we get to be who we really want to be. Now is no longer a thing of, no, you have to wear this or have this certain look. So like streetwear kind of becoming mainstream is dope because now I get to wear if I do want to wear high and I wear a lot of vintage stuff, but I do want to wear high end stuff. I know that I can go and get some shit that's swaggy and I still feel like me and I can say, well, this is, you know what I'm saying? Like I get to be free until it's dope. It's not just okay now for you to do that. You're influencing the trends. People are following you. So that's got to feel validating as well. Like where at the beginning you did or earlier you didn't want to do that thing and now everyone's kind of shifted. The culture shifted to like how you've always. I love that. It's like I've always been into just like, just wear, you know, the imperative part of this formula is that we, as the people wearing the product and being the influencers are constantly pushing back and putting these brands on notice. And so the last two years we've gotten really deep into web three and using NFTs and crypto to actually reshape a lot of that. So we have NFTs where if you buy them and we use your art, we start giving you royalties and so the consumer, they should actually be a participating, exactly. They should be participating in the upside somehow, right? That's the next revolution of what brands should be. You know, we're all a part of this ecosystem and everyone is influencing each other. Reading up on you, it's like you were an actor and a comedian and you know, and then you hit a phase or a stage in your life. where you drove Uber and worked, I believe, - You worked at Macy's maybe. - I worked at Macy's first. - What was that like when you think about like your journey of like you thought you'd pop off one way and then you know, you figure out a way to make it about yourself and your brand. Like what's that experience been like for you? - I think the word fear is so real for me because for so long I was fearful of being me. So I had created this other persona. I created the Tabitha I thought that Hollywood wanted to see. You know, I'm from a small town in North Carolina, I'm from Eden and I'm Southern, I'm country. And so working in corporate America and then coming to the entertainment industry, I was always told I sound ignorant or you sound country, you need to cover your accent. And so I had mastered that so well that I almost forgot who I was, right? So I had to pretend all the time and wear my hair one way. I remember when I first got an agent, they were like, listen, with your skin complexion, you're gonna need to have your hair straight. So I was like, okay. And I believed that. You know, so. - That was a real conversation. - Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Lose weight, right? Cover the accent, which said, forget about who you were and this is who you need to be. And I believed it. And I did that for a very long time with again, small victories. And it wasn't until I got sick and thought I was gonna die. When I said it earlier, when I said, God, if you heal me, you can have me. That meant, now I gotta start working. Now I gotta start showing up as the real Tav. Because it's exhausting to show up as somebody else every day that's not the real you. And God can't give you what he wanna give you if you ain't you, right? So I had to get to that place. And when I started showing up as me, I was very afraid. - Allison, I wanted to ask you, you are, I believe the most, by medals, the most decorated track athlete ever, correct? - Female. - Okay, can we at least, let's clap that up. That's crazy. All right. So was every win as important as each one? Like every medal? - That's a good question. I feel like at each point in my life, I was like learning something new. And so I was still passionate, they were still important, but they were all different. Like my last Olympics was my fifth Olympics, my first as a mother. And I won a bronze individually, a gold with a relay. And that bronze medal, I think it means more than any gold. It was like overcoming all the adversity like being a representation for women, for mothers. Like it just, it was everything. You know, I got to do it in my shoes that my company made. So it was like full circle of all the things. - Where do you keep your medals at by the way? - My parents keep them. - At your house? - I've never been into like the medals, but you know, the parents, they like to brag and bring them out and all that stuff. - I'd have mine on during the show. - Like Jeremy? - For sure. - Like Jeremy B? - For sure. - That's the New York in you. - Sorry Tim, what were you saying? Sorry, moving things to the side. - That's the New York in you by the way. - Sure. - When you accomplish something, how fast do you put it behind you? Like you got a movie, which people I think are going to love your performance. How fast would you go like, okay, I'm on to something else now. I'm going to make something else. I'm going to find my next thing. How fast do you put those things? Like you win medals and just give them to your mom like. - Yeah. - Like I'm going to win the next one. - 'Cause you got to start focusing on, you know, what's ahead of you. Like you can't get stuck behind that. After that, I got "White Man Can't Jump" coming. Then after that, I got "Book of Clarence" coming. So I'm like, okay, what's next? And most importantly, what are these kids about to have me do? So it's never really a time to- - They keep you quick on your feet. - Yeah, definitely keep you quick on your feet. - I feel like you barely feel the success, but when it doesn't go right, like that part to me, that's like, I feel that more than anything. - You feel that more. - Yeah. - So the pain or the failure, you feel that more than you do the success and the victories. - 'Cause I think like there comes to a place where people expect like greatness out of you. So it's like you win something or whatever it is, you have a hit. Like it's expected. - Of course, of course they did, yeah. - Do you think that's fair? - Yeah. - I always ask people that. - Yeah, to me, I mean, it's not fair, but I think that- - It's not fair? - Everybody doesn't understand it. Like they don't- - But you don't think it's fair? - 'Cause they build you up to bring you down. - Yeah, fair, I mean, yeah, it just is what it is. - Some people want you to win until you win. - That's what I'm saying, they want you to bring it right on back down. - Yeah, that's the thing. - It's gonna be what it's gonna be. - Yeah, it's what you said earlier that I think a lot of people feel like there can only be one, you know? Like there's only one success. - Like there's not enough room for everybody. - Yeah, and there is. - That's why I was like, even in the movie, I say one quote, like, you know, the only people who support black women is other black women, and even that shit get messy. Because of that. - That's a great line. - That's a bar. - That's a bar. - That's a bar. - She was stealing it now. - You know what I'm saying? And it's because it's like we sit here and we claim woman empowerment, but are we really empowering one another? Like sometimes you'll lose the opportunity just because a girl that's intimidated by you don't wanna stand next to you or don't wanna be in the same room as you because she's intimidated or made it feel like we're her. She run fast or she did, you know what I'm saying? Nobody's ever really uplifting one another, so yeah. - It's gotta be intentional, right? Every day my intention is to like spread love, to give joy, to share that. - But you also got a soothing voice. - Very soothing. - That I covered for so long. - I love you in the videos. I just be laying here like. - Yeah, that doesn't mean I don't have bad days, but my intention is to make others feel well, right? I have a platform, so to me it's a responsibility. And some days are rough and I'll share that, but the majority, I am sharing positive information or positive feelings and love. - I would say majority of people do not share that same sentiment. - Right, and you know what's crazy? Yesterday me and my husband, we were just talking about this. Somebody had did a video a couple months about me saying that I had toxic positivity, and I was like, dang. What kind of world do we live in that being positive is toxic? - What's that even mean? - I mean, they were like, "Can't nobody be that happy" all the time. It was a whole thing where any people were agreeing. And I was like, again, the pain they must be in to think that being positive is toxic. - Because you fell into it accidentally, trying to do something else. So were you actually having fun doing it or it was just like, oh, I'm making money, I'm doing it, so I'm gonna keep fucking doing it? Or was it like, I actually like making these videos and I'm enjoying it? - So in the beginning, I was very fearful. So if you go back and look at all my old videos, 'cause I cooked live every day at five o'clock. That was like, I made it like a job. I wasn't making no money. Listen, I would be cooking live some days, I would cry 'cause I'd be like, the Lord said thousands of minutes, there's 33 people on here, you know? And my husband, you would never see him, but you would hear him. He'd be like, man, you got them people looking in our kitchen, doing these videos. And I'm like, I'm trying to be obedient to what the Lord has told me to do. - That would've been me too. - 100%. - I mean, now that you've retired him, he could've shut the fuck up. - No, let him do it. - I would've definitely been like, man, you pretty know this shit. - Hey, look, after the first check came, he was like, don't you need to do one of them videos today? - Almost five o'clock, ain't it? - Right. - Almost five o'clock. - Y'all gonna botch y'all business and have the most amazing day. But even if you can't have a good one, don't you dare go messing up nobody else's, yeah? God bless you, I love you. - Thanks for listening to The Shop Uninterrupted. 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