Texas Death Row Worker Reveals the Execution Rituals Nobody Talks About

So when I got the job on death row, I mean, obviously, I looked at it like I could make some money back there. Those were the guys who had their dates. When they got their date and they were back there, they weren't even the same anymore. Half of them wouldn't even talk sometimes. And then there was a ritual with those guys the week that they were getting executed. They started telling us, hey, y'all watch out because we're bringing a dude out to take him to Huntsville to be executed. Even the guards that were taking him, when they put him in that van, I overheard them saying that they knew he was innocent. I looked at him and he just looked at me like, and I'll never forget that look, but that, yeah. Is it true in Texas prisons that there's no air conditioning? Yeah, there's no, they have these things now called swamp coolers, but they're only like on certain pods, on certain units. And it's like this big old like device. I don't know what it is. And it'll suck in the heat and then it'll blow out like half-ass cool air and it makes the pod extremely humid. I was never able to have one where I stayed at. I fell out of place one time and was in one and it didn't really make a difference if you stood in front of it or around it, it would cool, kind of cool that area. But no, there's no AC at all. And I don't remember, I know this used to be true. But I don't know if it still is. So like when Texas would sue to get air conditioning, I think them in Louisiana, they like, I think they're kind of in the same system. So say Louisiana would sue to get the air conditioning because you can actually look this up. It was in 2014. It was when I was back in prison and I was at that place Hutchins unit in Dallas, it was called Club Hutchins. And I want to say on the art, they had like six people that were TDC guards that were on the Dallas news. They had all their, their bodies blacked out, their voices distorted because they were testifying against TDC on the horrific heat conditions because of officers passing out and dying and just passing out with heat stroke. And they were scared for their, their identities were being sealed even in the case because they were talking about how TDC is a gang. And, uh, but like say Louisiana, had got it passed because I saw it on the news. That's why I'm bringing this up. Uh, I think Louisiana won, won their suit to get it passed, but then Texas appealed it. Cause that means they were going to have to get ACs and their stuff. So long story short, there is no ACs in Texas. There are a couple of, I think the newer units with swamp coolers. And in the summertime, like spacing on the old units, like the red brick units, like that fucking clay, it holds heat. Those walls will sweat. Like we would, on, on close custody and medium custody, we had flood the cell and lay it like on the concrete and lay on the fucking the water. But like on those, uh, red brick units, you can fucking throw water on the wall during the summertime. It'll sizzle. It'll like, that's how fucking hot it gets in there, bro. It's no joke. And then they'll try to make you be like fully fucking dressed with that stiff, raw cotton outfit, sweating your nuts off. Like it's yeah, it's, it sucks. Do any inmates die of heat exhaust? Yeah. Hell yeah. Every year, every year of heat exhaustion. When I was at, uh, Hutchins, a couple of dudes died during the summertime from heat exhaustion. The one dude, he had as asthma, I think, and his parents sued TDC. And, uh, they actually, TDC settled out with them like fairly quickly cause it was on the news. Hmm. And the corruption in the TDC, Texas department of corrections, uh, you know, it sounds, it sounds rampant, dude. It's so bad. Like even, so when I was there the second time I was at Torres unit. So there's a couple of the bigger like units that are close to us, like McConnell and Connelly and stuff like that. So I was going on medical chain. And when you go on medical chain, you got to go down to this, uh, medical hospital called John Seely and Galveston. And we were picking dudes up from McConnell and Connelly. And they were, their water was shut off. It's still happening right now on those units and some other units. Very bad. Like I could just shoot you the articles. They're keeping their water cut off. They're not even going to chow, bro. Like they're feeding them those Johnny sandwiches. They're supposed to like turn the water on so they could flush the toilet. They're leaving their toilets full for like weeks at a time. Uh, my buddy who I can introduce you to, uh, ex blood gang member, uh, he's got stomach problems still to this day. Uh, he had boils coming out of his skin from the bacteria of them smelling feces, like in their toilet, throwing a towel over the toilet. Cause they're refusing to flush the water, like turn on the water so they can flush the toilets. And they're supposed to let them go outside to use the porta potties and they're not letting them do it. It's, it's very, it's inhumane dog. Like I'm not a prison. I am a prison advocate to a certain extent. I'm not a prison advocate to a certain extent. You're going to lock somebody up. You're not changing them by treating them that way. Why would they refuse to turn the water on? I heard they were selling the fucking water to the city. Um, I heard there was water shortages out there and I heard that they were selling the water. I don't know how that would work. Obviously something is going on. Why aren't you turning the water on? Like something, something is going on. So somebody is making some money somewhere, right? And that would be a profit scam. Like, cause even the commissary, all the, almost all the commissary items are produced in Huntsville. So it's these people that are over the prison system who are financing the commissary, the look at the fucking phone company. I think it, uh, I was reading yesterday. I think they said the phone company securus makes like $4 billion a year or $7 billion the call rates, the, the, the expensive money. How much does it cost for a phone call? I don't know how much it costs a minute. I know I put 50 bucks a month on the phone for my homeboy fleabag. So, and that goes through pretty quick. You know, he calls me once a week and we don't even stay on the phone a full 20 minutes. He'll call me, Hey bro. And I'm like, all right, bet. So tens of thousands of inmates times 50 a month. That's a long ago. What are they charging for a cell phone call in there? Oh, if somebody wants to use the jag, it depends. Uh, cause dudes rent it out. It depends on the person who's got the jag really. Uh, dude, dudes, they rent them out. Usually they'll rent it out to somebody to use it. Or I mean like, I know when my homeboy had a jag, I never touched those motherfuckers because you're just risking too much fucking with the jag. I know he charged, to make a phone call was like five or 10 bucks and you weren't on the phone that long. You're talking about like a couple of minutes. How easy is it to get a jag, a cell phone into prison? Too easy. I mean, bro, you gotta think the guard, she or he is only making so much money a month. They probably got two, three kids. You got a dude in there that's got money and is willing to pay them. They're able, they're bringing it in. They, they don't check them. They do. And they don't. So if they bring that jag in, it's, it's just too, it's just too easy, bro. It's, it's way too easy. Oh, fuck it. I'm going to go ahead and it should I? Okay, dog. They already got busted. So I, it ain't like I'm ruining nothing. It fucked them up. So check this out. So my homeboy, he's got a jag in there. He's got a jack in there. So my homeboy, uh, his fall partner, they were both on America's Most Wanted. This is the last time I was in prison. So they have a, uh, a deal in there called the craft shop. So like a lot of the TDC guards, like they'll get, like, you can go up there, like as an inmate and say, like, be a leather worker. You can make saddles, this, that, you can sell it on the streets. It's all legal. So, um, my homeboy, his homeboy, and I never knew how they were doing it until after they got busted. Cause even my homeboy, who was my right-hand man, Harry, he's back locked up now. Um, he was so quiet that he didn't even tell me how his fall partner was doing this. So his fall partner got a dude in the craft shop who, uh, did airbrush. So you, you know, those little air compressors. So the company that the craft shop went through that was approved by the prison system that they could order supplies. So they were able to get the stuff that they wanted to order supplies through my homeboy's fall partner. Supposedly his people were like big time. I don't know. They were like bikers or cartel or some shit. He had told me, I can't remember, but I don't know if there was an article on it, but I'll look it up and see if I can, if I can find something and I'll shoot it to you. Somehow his people got a hold of the people that worked in that through that, uh, order company, bro, they were, he was getting those, uh, those little air compressors sent in. Once a month, stuffed phones, bud squares all that shit so the air compressor was stuffed full of drugs and was getting sent straight into the fucking farm bro from the company yeah from the company the actual company yeah so he was able to pay somebody on the outside yeah to just to shoot it in bro and they had dude they had the galaxy phones free world fucking samsung galaxies free world iphone phones sevens the motherfuckers was down there watching porn on them motherfuckers yeah they were they they they so they were making like hundreds of thousands of dollars i mean this that kind of shit is invaluable invaluable you can name your price almost yeah are there a lot of people hustling selling dope from the cell phones i'm sure there are but i mean you can make moves on the streets obviously but the the goal of the goal you would be to make money in prison because like i told you like those pencil sharpeners so now they have the pencil sharpeners that well they i don't know if they still do but um well no you i don't think they sold those on commissary i think those came from the craft shop they had the pencil sharpeners the little handheld ones they had two holes they had one that had the bigger hole and then one that had the smaller hole so the one that had the bigger hole i know you could fill it up with like coke or meth or some shit and that was like 150 bucks so you're telling you're talking about somebody if they get like a a fucking ball of meth in that's probably like 45 50 bucks now on the streets you're talking about selling that little bit in a deal for 150 bucks off a ball they're probably making like 3500 four thousand dollars off a ball so you're talking about a zone they get a zone a zone of clearing shit now and you're talking about breaking it down like that in the joint man they're probably making 10 000 15 000 off a zip a clear in prison garren garren fucking t that's guaranteed and that's like a zip a clear is like the size of a golf ball size of a golf ball broken down and you're you're talking about a female guard she can just she can stuff that and bring it in and and how are people getting high on that getting high on meth are they smoking it smoking it or snorting it uh putting it in their coffee stuff like that drinking it so are there you think there's people because you know like polonsky and uh what is the other facility torres torres they're they're basically the same building they're just segregated well torres is a whole another unit so polonsky is a max right a maximum security prison there was some dude who commented on that and he was like i don't know what he's talking about i was at a super max there ain't no fucking super max in texas that ain't how that shit works so that was a lie there's only there's only a maximum security medium security and minimum security and maximum security prison there's several of them uh there's just different custody levels like segregation is just segregation it's not called super max and death row is not called super max i mean death row inmates get treated like seg inmates you know i'm saying seg inmates just might get to maybe come out and go somewhere maybe more but they both get the same fucking treatment so it's no fucking different except for one motherfucker is gonna die someday and the other motherfucker's not um now torres is a medium custody unit it's smaller like polonsky's like a 3500 man unit and i think torres is like 2000 or something but like the biggest unit in texas if i'm not mistaken is darrington i think darrington rock indeed darrington which is a red brick i think it's like 5200 5500 man unit so but like torres is a medium security unit because if you have anything over 45 40 or 45 years you're not allowed to be there and they changed that law when i was back at torres because there was dudes over there with life sentences and they all got shipped off because they changed that law so that's the only difference is like how much time you can have on these farms you know and the death row where what unit what prison is that located in that's at polonsky uh in polk county it used to be called tarot unit terrible tarot like you had terror like the torres tarot and uh telford used to be called the terrible t's the three terrible t's but uh when they they killed that uh that black dude that i was telling you about that innocent black dude uh that dude tarot he the news was always there bro like out in the parking lot you could always see him what what remind us about the black dude who got killed i want to say he got executed for a double i want to say it was a double rape and homicide i could be wrong by the rape but i want to say that's what it was and later on because the black panthers and the uh i want to say it was the black panthers and the nation islam protested i know for a fact it was the it was the of houston and i think it was the nation islam too they were all out on the highway and shit uh they wound up getting his dna tested and i thought it was from one of the women's underwear i think i could be wrong i i know there was a case like that so i could be getting him mixed up um but it came out that he was innocent and when that happened it forced them to start doing the dna tests on people in texas and then there was a gang of motherfuckers like my homeboy red rum from dallas uh he was really um i think he was from oakland uh he was a pyro from oakland and uh he was he was one of the people so on the dallas newspaper they had like a strip of like mug shots basically uh red rum was in there for a false rape he gave his time back went home there was a bunch of dudes that had gave their time back and went home there was a white dude there that was getting extorted for a molestation that he didn't even fucking do he was in there that they probably fucked him up for the rest of his life he was in there he was a punk a homosexual getting extorted and pimped out and it came out he was innocent the whole fucking time they ruined his whole life and so that that case of the innocent black guy getting executed is that the guy that you actually saw yeah locked to his death tell us about that well and they bring him out they tell you to catch the fence and uh i was out of place doing something i was out of place i think i was at the law library so i just so happened to be in that area and uh so there was this group called texas seven who had escaped from mcconnelly unit i think or mcconnell and they're the reasons why like all these fences and all this security had changed so much because before tarot unit was wide fucking open like you could go anywhere especially if you just had a broom like a broom was power because they thought you were working so they just you could just go wherever you want so i just grew up in the middle of the state and i grew up in the middle of the state and i grew up in the middle of the state and i grew up in the middle of the state and i grew up in the middle of the state grabbed a broom and i was mobbing because they hadn't started building gates on our unit yet we knew they were coming and um i was over there out of place doing something i can't remember why i was over there but i remember they brought they brought the van up pulled up the van and then they started telling us hey y'all watch out because we're bringing a dude out to take him to huntsville to be executed because they go to the walls unit to get executed and uh when they when they came with the escort and everything and then they tell you to catch the wall or catch the fence i just because i had to law i was like oh man i'm working right now i'm on sidewalk crew he's like yeah you're cool christheimer yeah whatever and then i caught the wall and when they brought him out i remember when he was walking and i like turned i had my hands like this and i turned and i looked at him because the building's right here 12 buildings right here so he's got to go out this gate right here where that van is and i remember when i looked at him and he looked at me like i told you i'm an energy person like i could just man you could just he just like looked at me like fuck like you get bro you could feel even the guards that were taking him when they put him in that van i overheard them saying that that shit wasn't right and even later on when i got a did that job on death row guards would still talk about it and they said that they knew he was innocent wow just based off his energy just based off his his energy they just said that they knew it that they knew he was innocent they felt so you could tell they felt bad walking him like you could tell that they felt they felt bad like you just you saw it in their face like it was it was very i can't explain the feeling or the emotion but you could tell that they knew what they like you just everybody knew they knew everybody knew like they every even i knew and then when it came out he was innocent i was like that's fucking crazy dude that i looked at him and he just looked at me like and i i'll never forget that look but there's that yeah you know you see seeing guys get their throats slit in prison you've seen guys bleed out gets stabbed to death by multiple multiple inmates but how do you rank that experience looking into that innocent man's eyes as he's going to be executed how do you rank that in terms of like impactful things that you saw i think it was like like top probably top one because psychologically he's in there for something he didn't even fucking do and then he got put to death for something he didn't do how do they do they gas inmates no no that's the fucking the the lethal injection so it's like you could you imagine that man like being in jail for something you didn't do like and like one of my best friends his son got out on bond for a case that he swears up and down he didn't do and his my best friend and one of my best friends uh he called me the other day and he told me his son got out on bond he cut the ankle monitor off and went on the run he didn't know where he was at and he was like man i don't know what to do and now they're dead because they were offering him 25 years and i was like do you think he's guilty and he's like no and i was all like can you blame him and he's like what do you mean i said have you ever been to jail before when he was and he he's like went into jail and bonded out one time and he's like what do you mean i said have you ever been to jail before for some bullshit a long time ago he's like but still man i said bro if you've never done nothing if you if you're innocent and they're gonna put you in jail do you think you would do you think you would willingly turn yourself in and he was like well he they had offered him six years he was talking about taking it and i was like because he sat in the county for almost a year with no bond he just wanted to get on with his fucking life that's the fucked up thing about the system where they got like that 98 conviction rate because you're not innocent until proven guilty you're guilty until you can prove you're fucking innocent and unless you can get a real fucking lawyer that's willing to go to trial and fight for your fucking case you're going to jail i mean it is what it is like i like i told him i said man i said fuck it it is what it is like if he if you do you believe he did that case he said no i said then fucking it is what it is bro like i wouldn't want to go sit in jail for 25 fucking years you got me fucked up like i would have ran too like catch me if you can motherfucker i'm gone bro and then to see and it all the reason why i think like that is when i saw that dude's face and then not even that i saw other dudes get off a death row like when i had uh worked back there the first time on the shower crew there was a guy back there who had been back there 35 fucking years and we were talking and he was like man tim i've been back here 35 fucking years fighting this war and then he was on the news and he was like man i've been back here 35 when he got released they released him from huntsville from the walls and they put a cap on the money he could sue for you lock a motherfucker up for 35 years and you tell them they can only sue for you know a couple hundred thousand or some shit and i mean no matter no million would replace 35 years but 35 years in a fucking cell confined you don't get out at one point in time in texas inmates used the death row inmates i heard they had their own side of the unit on the but somebody fucked that up so they just sit in a cell all fucking day long bro like do they get out at all for yard there's a indoor wreck right there a passive wreck that's shaped like a weird triangle and it has a one table it has this thick ass pull-up bar and that's it and then there's an outdoor wreck that's smaller than this fucking room with a basketball goal that's like 30 feet in the fucking air with the dead fucking basketball and that's it they're not getting no sunshine no nothing and you know by law inmates in jail are supposed to get so many hours of sunlight a week uh for the vitamin d and e and shit because it helps like with like depression and shit like that so they just got these dudes sitting back there like you know yeah it's fine seeing him i i dude i've i've had dreams about that shit i i still think about that man but i'm just kind of emotional like that like i'm a very emotional person so like like i don't i'm not emotional like i think reckless but i wear my heart on my sleeve and i have a heart and there's things in my life that affected me and seeing a dude and seeing that walk and seeing that face like if i could put like a flash drive to my head and pull off that image so other people could see that image i think it would probably change a lot of people because they're just treating the justice system like a fucking uh an assembly line dude so then why did you accept the job that came later on death row honestly i accepted a job for like the money i can make back there like hustling but also number two uh because like i told you like i'm a uh i'm a tribalist so like to me like i was the type of person in prison and i got in trouble for this all the time i was the type of person in prison who was always trying to get petitions going i was always trying to get inmates to like put aside their differences and and come together and like do some shit you know what i'm saying like and orchestrate some shit like one time bro uh we tied a sheet to the door and tied it around the bench and refused to let the laws come in the bench because they were jacking us for wreck on medium custody so we fucking tied a fucking sheet and tied it over there well to the the uh they got benches on the pods now but they didn't used to have them and we tied it so how the table is and you got like the pole that goes the little ass of the table we tied it real good there and when they tried to like come in we had it so they couldn't get in and fucking we uh took sheets and put them all the way across the windows and shit and stuck them up there with tape that we had got off the ssi to block out the window and we were like bro if y'all don't start giving us wreck man we're gonna flood the pod we're gonna fucking try to kick these uh these toilets off the wall and just cause the state money so we could get wreck but then when you do stuff like that when they come down to the pod they'll say oh we'll give you what you want we just want the person who started this because then they're going to give that person an insinuating a riot case so like i would always try to wire some shit up like that for us to stick together so when i got the job on death row i mean obviously i looked at it like i could make some money but i didn't know what i was doing and i didn't know what i was doing and i didn't know what i was doing and i didn't know what i was doing and i didn't know what i was doing and i didn't know what i was doing and i didn't know what i was doing and i didn't know but because deep down in my heart i'm a i'm a people's person um like i told you on the first podcast i did with you like they would stuff these socks so you have a through f pod and a through f section the lower the sections you go down i mean the lower the pod ranks you go down like i think it's after d i want to say d starts it e e and f those people the ones that are on death row because there's some seg back there they're on the most restriction you can get and they're on the i'm talking about these dudes they set fires they dash the walls so like the food slot tray they'll have a box over the food slot tray to where they can i think they it opens up they opens up the top and they put their food down there and they shut it like those dudes will be in there without even a fucking mattress bro that shit's illegal like they'll be down there with nothing a pair of fucking thin ass boxers and they keep it cold as fuck back there so as far as like air conditioning in prisons on death row there's air conditioning in prisons on death row there's air conditioning air conditioning it's cold back there i don't know how they got air conditioning but they fucking got it so uh when they would give those socks you could charge 25 a stamp for the socks what's a sock it's a like a like the long they give you gray like tube like a tube sock that comes up to here they can stretch out so they stretch it full of food and the door when it pops off there's like a square right here so like when it when it pops off on the track you can stuff shit out the square and the laws have to let you traffic and trade like you could obviously probably sneak it around them but they're so when you clean the pod this is how it goes so when you go on the pod you got the ssis which are the porters and the shower crew guys so like say i'm pushing say i'm working two row i'm pushing on two row you'll be behind me with your back to me with the mop and you'll be mopping as i go so you're not like milking it and hanging out and shit like that and the shower crew guy is cleaning a little small ass shower the shower is probably going to be a little bit probably as wide as me with a little bit over so if a guy's going to pass a sock he's got to holler at you real cool real quick but me because how i conducted my business whatever officer i was working with i would ask them when the shift started i'd be like hey are you cool if i move some socks and they'd be like yeah i ain't tripping so when i come through like look out temple temple what's up you got me and i'm like yes shoot the shit out there but i never charged them and the why i didn't charge them is because they're shooting it to somebody who's on restriction the dude's already on death row i'm not charging you and because i did that so much when i would come on the pod man dudes would just chunk me all of a sudden a whole roll of fucking stamps out there you're talking about three four five hundred stamps from the death row from the death row inmates they would shoot them out to me because i took care of them and then on top of that i their socks always made it so there would be dudes like my co-worker who would jack dudes for their socks and he would lie and be like man the law i had to dump the sock man they they fucking fell on me so like one time i was coming through and i was cleaning and i'm on the mop so you remember my homeboy e and j i told you about the dude that got off a death row because he had got put on when he's like 16 or whatever so i come through and every night i came through he had food ready for me and the laws would eat food and he was a stupid cool inmate so the laws fucked him because he never caused no problems so everybody look at Now, Damu, I got some tacos made for us. And he'd always have his cell lit up and all red and shit. So they'd pop the bean shoot. He'd kick some tacos out. We'd eat some tacos. The officer would eat some tacos. And we'd chop it up. So he was like, he's like, hey, bro. I'm like, what's up? And he was like, uh, that fool from H-Town. What's up with that fool and them socks, bro? Them socks just keep coming up missing too much. And for some reason, your socks keep making it. And I looked at him, and I was like, I'm not trying to be putting like a no-cross fire or nothing like that. And I was like, what you think is happening? What's your first mind tell you? He's like, he's jacking. I said, you got your answer. I kept mobbing. So the dude that he burned a couple times, he comes through, and he's a TS cat. And he's like, look out, Temple. I'm like, what's up, baby? And he shoots out a bunch of. So they sell these King Leo. You can find them at some stores. They're aligned with the crown. King Leo mint sticks. They got those, and they got the fruit sticks, which are like rainbow colored, kind of like a candy cane, but they're thick. He just shoot out a bunch of mint sticks and fruit sticks for me. And I pick them up and put them on my back pocket. He's like, Jay Temple. I'm like, what's up? He's like, uh. And he, you know, I'm just going to say it for the interview. So he's like, he's like that Mayotte stealing my socks. And I was like, what's your first mind tell you? He's like, that's all I need to know, bro. I appreciate it. I'm like, yes, sir. And just kept it pumping. Man, dog, we make it down to the D pod. And as soon as we make it down the D pod, fucking the one dude sell who's always lit up. Motherfucker shoots him with the spear for fucking jacking them socks. He shoots the worker, the orderly. Yeah, he short shot the orderly in the neck with a spear. How does that work? How does the spear describe the spear and how he shoots it out of his cell? They use the span, the, the, the, the stretchy shit out of the, uh, the boxers and they intertwined it really well. So it's, it's, it, you know, it's like a fucking, like a, a bow and arrow string. And then you remember how I told you the magazine paper, he had that magazine paper fucking. And. I'm talking about two of the fucking tea tight. And then they either do that sugar mix I told you about, or there's probably other ways to do it. And that shit was a rock hard, fucking rock hard. And he dipped the end of it in fucking shit. So they had been sitting on fermented shit and shot him in the fucking neck with that spear. And, uh, that dude, what he wound up having to go to John Seely behind that shit. But they, they took his job from him for it. And that was behind him. Stealing, stealing from those dudes back there. And they were able to shoot it through the food slot. No, no, no. So you got, you remember I told you on the newer units, they have the windows. They're like two windows like this with the intertwined, uh, metal, the intertwined metal fucking, uh, wind deals like the diamonds. So he just had the fucking spear like that and fucking hit him with that hoe. And so he had to go to the hospital. Yeah. Hell yeah. He opened his neck up. Yeah. Cause I was mopping. So I'm mopping with my backpack. I'm mopping with my backpack. And all of a sudden fucking, you just hear him. Ah, fuck. I turn and I look and I was like, I guess that's what he, from him, for him stealing, you know, this is, that's what, that's what happens. I mean, that shit even happened to a dude from my hometown. Uh, he murdered, uh, this woman, this older woman. She was an older lady in our neighborhood on the South side. Uh, I'm gonna get that. I'm gonna shoot that article to you. Um, he murdered. He murdered her, bro. She would help out anybody. People like we go mow her grass as kids and stuff like that. So this is like years. I'm already have already been in prison when this happened. So he wound up going over to her house, I think to mow her grass. And then he killed her. He stabbed her a bunch of times, stole her car, stole her jewelry. I think he went and bought some clothes at like Dillard's or some shit. So when I got back there on death row, the SSI, cause he wasn't back there when I went back there as a, um, I don't know. Um, uh, fucking, uh, before I'm the shower crew, but he was back there when I was at SSI. So when I came down through there, they were like, Hey, homeboy from temple, uh, said, what's up, man? Woo. And I was all like, oh, for real? And they're like, yeah. I was like, where's he at? So that they tell me. So when I get down on his wing, I see him cause his door rolls this way. I see him looking down. He's looking at me. Yeah. Look out Tim. What's up, bro? And I don't even say nothing. So by the time I get up to his cell, he's like, man, what's up, Tim? And I'm all like, man, don't what's up me fool. And he like had his fingers through the deal for me to like to touch his hands. I'm like, man, hell. I was like, I don't fuck with you, dog. I was like, you murdered that old fucking lady. That old lady would give anybody anything for you. You're a fucking piece of shit. And I was just talking real loud. I was like, you're a fucking piece of shit, bro. Called him out. Like just everybody was listening. And I was like, I can't believe you killed that innocent lady, bro. Don't nobody respect that bitch ass shit, fool. Fuck you, dog. I was like, you ain't, you ain't from no fucking simple fool. Don't nobody in the hood fuck with you no more. Cause I had got letters from some of my homeboys saying what he had did. And, um, I was like, you, you ain't shit, bro. You made your family look bad. You made your brother look bad. You're a fucking low life ass motherfucker. And, uh, I don't know if it was because I said this and called him out like that. I don't know what was up. I don't know if it was because I had built such a, a good rapport with people back there because of me trafficking, trading socks for free and like always taking care of people. Like, you know, making sure shit was legit and stuff like that. Um, it even goes deeper than that. So I know when I wasn't on shift, he got speared and I heard he got speared for fucking. Um, doing that murder on that lady. And then he was even dashed a couple of times with piss and shit as well. And I don't know if it was because of me, but I mean, like it went further than that. Like, so on death row, they, so they prepare their food, they cook all the food, right. And they put them in those metal like container things. And then they go and put them on the line where there's like heat under there and it's supposed to be water and keeps them hot. So they'll put all, they'll prepare their food there, but then they'll put it in these, these hot carts and they'll traffic. It to death row. And then they have like a little kitchen set up there and they'll set all the food up on the line there. And then they'll make their food there. Well, uh, there's dudes back there like Muslims and shit like that. Like, so there are certain laws that, that, uh, food safety health code laws that the system has to follow that they don't follow. But for some reason on death row, because I think they have so much outside support. Like I told you, those people. Those organizations send those dudes big money. Like bro, like every death row inmate that I fucked with personally, they all had like 40, $50,000 on their books. Like they got crazy fucking money. So like they have these things called grievances when they write their grievances, their grievances get investigated because they got lawyers that they can go to. So like there are certain like, like Muslims back there and shit. Like you're not allowed to touch their food unless you're a Muslim because then that Muslim praise. So that's the rule, right? He prays. He does voodoo. They know he's going to be clean. He's not only a Muslim can touch that dude's food. Well, I, when I worked, I made sure that that, that was, that was happening. I made sure that the Muslims only touched his food and that the Muslims only served his food. And when I wasn't on shift, Muslims knew that that policy wasn't being followed, but I would put myself in the crosshairs for those dudes back there because I don't know. I'm just built. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So you're making money through stamps. Yeah. You're, you're bringing commissary food, putting them in socks and dumping them off to the inmates on death row. Is that because they, they are not allowed to get commissary? The ones that are getting like socks into them is because they're on commissary restriction restriction. It's not because they don't have money. They got money. So is, but nobody on death row can get commissary. No. They can get commissary. So why would a death row inmates be on restriction? For dashing a law or maybe just the law fucked with him. It depends on what he did. If it, it depends. He either did something or maybe the law was fucked with them and he didn't, you know, want to abide by their rule or whatever. And they put them on restriction for commissary restriction for whatever. So stamps, like in the feds, stamps are the main currency. Does that sound like. The same in Texas? Yeah. I mean, they're still currency down there now, but I think I'm a, well, the reason why they were good currency when the first time I was in prison is because you could send stamps home and then your people could go to the post office or somewhere and turn them in and get the cash for them. But I heard now that the stamps have to be on like the book, like it can't be like individual stamps. That's what I heard. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I heard. But I know. When I was in there the first time, I had so any goddamn stamps that i when i would get visits i would fucking put them hoes in my mouth and when i'd come to visit i'd spit them hoes out and put them in like a bag of chips or something like that my mom would get them out my mom would go and fucking cash them hoes in so you were eaten off this little trade fuck yeah wow yeah and i i didn't even charge anybody to move the socks i didn't charge i did it for free if the law said i could do it i did it for free and they would send give me like all you know any free food man i mean i got fed on every pod that i ate on bro what's even crazy about that death row job is the lady that wrote me that bogus case and got me sent to g pod the lieutenant that investigated that case when i went back there and worked he was the captain back there and as soon as he saw me and this had been some couple years now as soon as he saw him he said oh fuck no hell no you ain't working back here motherfucker he fucked me over he let that bogus case fly and i was like man come on bro quit tripping dog and he's like man come holler at me real quick but i don't know if you remember when i had told you before in the first podcast uh like when i had went to close custody and then i came all the way back to minimum custody i had like a lot of respect from the laws because i stayed who i was all the way down there i stayed with the blacks stayed who i was i didn't switch up you know i wasn't a hoe nothing like that so he pulled me in his office and he was like what's up you're gonna cause some problems back here i said bro i don't come on dog i was like you know you smoked me on a bogus ass case and he started laughing he's like are we cool i'm like yeah we're cool i ain't tripping i was like just let me keep my job bro and he's like all right he's like i'm gonna let you do like what you want to do but like no drugs or nothing but you can move commissary i'll give you the okay with my officer and everything else and i was like all right bet so he really gave me a lot of respect and i was like i'm gonna let you do what you want to do but he gave me the pass to even be able to move back there and then what's crazy because i kept that job until i made parole and went home on my friday which was his friday he brought me in free world food every fucking friday and i went in his office after my shift was over and i fucking ate either burger king or mcdonald's or subway or whatever like they would throw christmas parties thanksgiving parties birthday parties he would always cut me off a big ass piece of cake or any of the turkey because death row like they basically abided by their own rules back there so they had like a different way they could do things they really could get away with a lot more shit than what the gp laws could get away with so like after we got done cleaning they would send everybody home except for a choice few inmates and i was one of the ones that they let stay back there because i would go help in the kitchen that's that nobody that a muslim handled those dudes food or it was me that handled their food and they know that i fucked with them because the thing about like blacks in prison is the thing about blacks in and essays too and you didn't see this with the whites if there was like a racial riot all that like tango blast uh mehicles uh whatever that all that shit went away if it was a race right all the essays got down just like with the blacks if it was a race riot you might see maybe some muslims don't get involved or whatever i guess but if it's a race riot all the blacks are getting involved so with me being in a black gang if a muslim wasn't on shift in that kitchen and i made that dude's tray i will put like a little sticky thing on there so they knew that i made their tray so they knew that somebody safe was making their tray so it wasn't poisoned or anything because they did do shit like that you heard about inmates poisoning people's food yeah putting rats in their food doing all types of shady ass shit to their food especially to muslims because muslims be fucking they they write those grievances dude like they they're writ writers like muslims are extremely disciplined in prison and i'm sure that's probably anywhere you fucking go in the united states they read they study and they they're very they sharpen their intellect as much as possible i mean there's some dumb muslims in there obviously there's some stewhead but the majority of them in my experience they fucking they're on top of their game intellectually so were there quite a few muslims on death row yeah there was a few on there they i don't know if they were free world muslims but like muslim converts like you know in prison yeah yeah there was a few on there did they actually get drugs not you but people in your similar position working on death row would they get drugs or tobacco to death row inmates hell yeah yeah them dudes are gonna get fucked up back there if they can get it if they can get fucked up yeah they're gonna get fucked up do you have to have cooperation from the guards to be able to get them food contraband drugs tobacco etc or is there a way for orderlies to actually smuggle in keister in yeah shit you can keister in you can because they strip you in going in and going out every time every time and then like right before i left they started making you sit on a thing that would like x-ray you but that was if they wanted to do it half the time when you would go behind the thing to strip out you would just start taking your shit off and they'd be like man get your clothes back on like they wouldn't even fuck with you because they're just lazy they don't they wouldn't give a fuck so it isn't hard to get around laws to make something happen but at the same time like everybody wanted to work i think it was like a card because a a one i think it was like a one and a two card so everybody wanted to work on a one card because the guards there were cool as fuck and let them do whatever they wanted and then the a2 guard card was the police card which was the card i worked on but i actually liked working around police the ones that were police because the thing about the guards that are police they respect what is called a convict an inmate who's quiet who they know you're up to something but you're not putting it on front street you're still doing your job like i cleaned really well i did my job really well if they said hey greisheimer i need you to take care of this i'd be like yes sir no sir yes ma'am no ma'am i showed them respect i didn't talk bad to them they asked me to do something i fucking did it you know go here go there yeah i got you bro let's take care of it and i took care of business like i really cleaned because like they get those inspections so like tdc when they know they're not going to do it they're going to do it they're going to do it that the i forget what those people are called aca when aca comes in to inspect all of a sudden they want to do all this pristine fucking cleaning to pass inspection even though they never fucking pass but somehow they stay running death row is always pristine so like i always was on top of my game when it came to you know sweeping mopping waxing the floor uh shining the brass like i did my job to a tee so in if you do your job to a tee then the guards are going to be like oh my god they don't get no flack from the rank it's because you're making them look good so now i'm making you look good so now in return hey bro you fucked up if i if i uh pass some socks today to make me a little money man sim go ahead do your fucking thing i don't give a fuck bro you're still gonna clean right i got you motherfucking come on motherfucker you know what's up with me all right yeah bitch woo you play with them come on pussy ass motherfucker you know shit like that and i just so to me having the police laws around me and giving me the okay to do something was better than the friendly laws because there was always heat on that card because the rank knew what they were doing so say all of all of a sudden the rank would just show up on the pod because they'd do this while you were mid cleaning the rank would come down there hey all y'all come down here get out of them make everybody strip down and they would bust motherfuckers with shit so the police card you didn't have that type of heat because they knew that those laws weren't allowing shit to go on and if they did they knew it was heavily scrutinized so yeah you can get shit in that there you can get shit around the motherfuckers all day long but you know to me it's just better to grease the wheels if you can grease the wheels okay so how many inmates total on death row when you were working i don't know honestly i think polonsky was a 2500 man unit and i think death row made it the 3500 or 32 50 so i think it was like a thousand or some shit i mean what you got a through f pod and then a through f section so i think that's six right a b c d e f and then is it four or five cells to each section top and bottom so i think it's 10 cells to a section so that's what 60 cells to a pod and then you got six pods so what is that 100 1200 or something like that wow so there's a thousand plus inmates waiting to be executed in texas at any given time yeah yeah and then like f pod f section on a pod those were the guys who had their dates and then there was a ritual with those guys um the week that they were going to be executed or it was the week or the day they were getting executed the day before they got they they let they open up the books for commissary for them to do whatever they want and they would i don't know if they still do this but they would buy everybody back there a pint of ice cream even the laws and they everybody would eat a pint of ice cream back there they'd find out how many people were back there and they would all they would buy a pint of ice cream for everybody and they would bring the fucking like they would make sure a blue bell truck came because that was like a ritual back there the week that they were set to be the day yeah it was like the day before or something like that they would do the whole blue bell ice cream thing and everybody would get a pint of ice cream that one-on-one and how many people on that a wing that had actual dates execution dates it wasn't a lot at first but then it was be like it was never filled up i think the most i ever seen back there was like five or six and and how far in advance would the date dates be would you hear i think it would be like within the month for sure within the month a couple weeks and they would be back there and i dude i can speak to that like um that emotion too like it would like a couple of guys that i was cool with that got executed back there they were all lively and shit and then like when it when they got their date and they were back there they weren't even the same anymore half of them wouldn't even talk sometimes you come by they shut their light off because they didn't want to talk to you like that's how much they changed that quick and when i'm talking about lively i'm talking about what's up bro working out like they weren't gonna die like living like tomorrow was guaranteed like a date wasn't gonna come because you gotta realize before george bush jr became governor motherfuckers was living on death row for they weren't killing inmates like that but he fucking put like a fast track system in these motherfuckers were killing motherfuckers they i think they made it to where they hit their appeals got exhausted extremely quick so dudes would run through all their appeals within a year or two years and would be dead within four years of being on death row if even that that's how fast he made it to where they were killing motherfuckers they were killing motherfuckers quick back there and did you hear about working with all these inmates did you get to know about people's cases like the reason that they got sent to death row not too much bro i didn't really want to cross those lines with people because those dudes on death row hey you really don't just get to ride with them like that it depends it really depends if the cops are being stupid cool like when e and j when e and j me and e and j would make food uh me and e and j would talk like and he told me about when he shot the fool and killed the fool like i i talked to him about his story can you tell us his story i think he murdered a dude in the mall if i'm not mistaken coming down the escalator because fort worth was like the murder capital of the united states at one point in time they called it murder worth and i think he was a stop six which like a neighborhood said i want to say he was stop six blood and um i want to say like every time you would go to the mall back then there would be shootings back in the 90s like you look the shit up 90s motherfuckers was getting killed for starter jackets killed for jordan's like that that's like that dude back then that's how it was so when you went to the mall it was dangerous you know all the if you were you know in those gang areas and i want to say that's what he either smoked him on the escalator or coming down the stairs but i know he told me like when he shot him with the shotgun i want to say it was a sawed-off shotgun he said he had it in his jacket and he fucking popped that bitch out he said he hit that fool he said his fucking whole chest just like exploded i mean he was guilty for what he did the only reason why he got off death row was because he was like 16 or something and they changed the law so they had to let him off and he got a life sentence so what do you think what do you think the benchmark is if any between inmates who get life or basically life hundreds of years on a murder case versus inmates who get sent to death row for a murder case what do you mean by benchmark like what's the difference yeah like do you see any difference in people's cases between ones who go in on life sentences for murder versus ones that are given the death penalty for murders well as far as i know in texas as far as by the law the only thing that's going to put you on death row usually is a capital murder case because capital murder carries the death sentence where a regular first degree murder doesn't carry the the death sentence so most of the dudes on death row how they got those capital murder cases was obviously a robbery turned homicide is capital murder um i think it's like extenuating circumstances like if you tied him up or something because that's kidnapping and then there was dudes on death row you know i'm saying like my boy saw a man like uh he was back there for killing inmates in prison i think he killed like five inmates in prison it was like the last one they got him for that put him on death row because he i want to say he got like three or four life sentences for the other inmates he killed and then the last one he killed they gave him the death sentence so that like enhanced his his thing i see if that answers your question yeah so basically if you commit another felony in the course of committing a first degree murder yeah that's what elevates it to a capital murder case yeah yeah that's how they can probably ask for the death sentence uh i think i think that's how that works here in texas did you see any or get to know any death row inmates where you were like oh this guy's obviously a psychopath out of his mind or did everybody seem kind of like normal to the extent that you know a person serving time for murder could be normal everybody i met back there was normal everybody not one person i met back there wasn't normal now there was a guy back there who used to like yell bible verses every night uh this black dude but i think just being back there so god i mean bro like being confined to a cell like that i told you even on close custody like i used to do crazy shit i mean you're sitting in this little fucking cell all fucking day long bro there's only so many books you and jacking off and there's only so much fairy tale land you can live in before you're the hard this is what you're fucking looking at like so like that takes the strongest of human beings to even stay fucking what you what is even saying and stay what is quote unquote even normal in those type of conditions on top of that you know that you're gonna fucking die so you know your fate is for sure fucking sealed if you don't win these appeals and so he but even when he wasn't yelling of bible verses me and him used to talk one-on-one when we come through he'd be like what's up temp i'm like hey what's up baby oh man shit no just chilling man i'd be like what's up you ain't yelling no bible verse tonight fool he'd be like oh man i'm gonna let y'all make it tonight and he could change into a normal person so like everybody in my experience quote unquote was normal um you know i mean even my dude deuce deuce beat his case i i knew so i knew deuce when he was on death row we didn't talk but i knew who he was and then when i went back to the penitentiary and i got out and i went to the program deuce was in the program with me he was uh on a netflix series i think uh i'm on that netflix series i am a killer or something like that so he he got out he did like almost 40 years in the joint total what how did he beat his case i think it was the dna evidence or something i can't remember i could always hit him up and find out but uh so he was innocent yeah he was innocent he got out he's on the streets they he got off at death row and i think he got a life sentence and then he beat the life sentence and got his shit dropped down and he made parole and got and got out i think he only had like a few years left on parole or some shit uh i could always hit him and talk to him but i mean i remember when we had got to the the program together the carol vance program and he saw me and i saw him i was like damn i know that motherfucker and then he was like man you to him i was like man you to him i was like yeah he's like from temple i was like yeah he's like used to be on pelunsky right i said yeah he's like didn't you work on death row i was like yeah he's like you don't remember me i was like i remember your face bro and he's like yeah i was like damn i was like you got off you got off the death row another dude named dre dre from houston uh he got off the death row and got his shit commuted to 99 years and then uh they actually put him on he came to club to medium custody with me on ipod and then i think he got his shit dropped down he got a time cut so that's the about texas when i don't know if it's still like this so they would give out all this big ass time back in the game right 300 years whatever all this stack time and then after you did like 10 15 years you can apply for a time cut like you might not beat your appeals but you could apply for a time cut and they would give it to you so i think he had got the 99 years and i think he got it commuted to like 60 or something like that and he had already been locked up like over 20 so anything before 96 like if you got a life sentence before september of 1996 you only had to do 15 years before you saw parole So he even made parole on his case and got out on the streets because he was under the old law. So that's two people I know that were on death row that actually got off and got in the system and then made it home. Imagine going from probably going to be executed by lethal injection to I'm in population, GP, to, oh, wow, now I'm back home. I'm in society again. You would never take shit for granted after that. I don't think that you do. I mean, I know that as far as I know, I know that, I know at least in the system, I know that Dre and Deuce had became like hardcore Christians. They were hardcore Christians. Like Deuce is a hardcore Christian right now still to this day. I mean, we're friends on Facebook and Instagram. He's always in church. How many inmates were black versus Mexican versus white? Did you see more of a disproportionate amount of a certain race on death row? Man, I didn't really pay attention to that, but I. I want it. If I'm not mistaken, there was more white boys and blacks on death row with free world cases. I. If I'm not mistaken, at least the Mexican dudes that I talked. Two on a regular, they were on death row for killing people in prison. So most of the dudes that were back there that I can remember just thinking right off top, the majority of the dudes that were back there on death row from the free world were white and black. The few Hispanics that were back there, I don't remember a lot of Hispanics being back there like that. But the ones that I know that I fucked with, they were back there for killing dudes in prison. And that would make sense because you told us that they were the ones putting in the night. Knife work. Yeah, they were putting in the knife work like a motherfucker. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, because back in the old days in Texas, you could kill somebody and they might give you 10, 15 years. But then like them ABT cats and AC cats and then fucking the TSMX and mafia, they were killing so much. Back in the 80s and 90s, eventually, you know, people got tired and they got tired of the shit. You know, and they started giving them fucking life sentences and then they're giving them, you know, death sentences and stuff like that for it. You said on Polonsky, besides the death row unit, there's also that's where the segregation is. That's where SEG inmates are. Yeah, they have SEG there on the same building. So tell us about SEG. How big is it? Is it mostly I've heard it's mostly shot callers now, you know, high ranking dudes from all of those those sets. Yeah. Tell us about what that's like. Well, I think the majority of them are probably like on Gibb Lewis, what they they call like high security. Like, that's what they'll call it. They have their that's where they ship most of like the SEG motherfuckers that get SEG. I think the majority of them are probably like on Gibb Lewis SEG. Every unit has like a segregation, like 11 building PhD pre-hearing detention. They have SEG back there. And that doesn't mean you're going to fucking stay there. Just like on Polonsky, you got SEG on death row. On F-Pod, I think some might have been on E-Pod, but it was a lot of the times they didn't stay there. They got shipped off to Gibb Lewis or to like Darrington or Coalfield. I think Coalfield has a decent size SEG. But if I'm not mistaken, Gibb Lewis has the biggest SEG. And they live the same way that death row guys lived. It was the same, the same cell, fucking same bullshit wreck. No TV, fucking no. No nothing, fucking the exact same fucking conditions. The exact same conditions. And did you spend time in SEG yourself? No, I mean, I did like PhD time and shit. It was extremely hard to get SEG'd up when I was in prison. So, I mean, I did time in PhD, like pre-hearing detention and stuff like that for fighting my cellies. Like a couple of cellies I got into fights with and stuff like that. Like not all of them I talked about. And they. They took both of us to lock up and, you know, you sit back there a week or two weeks, whatever, 10 days. And then they let you out and then you go wherever the fuck you go after that. But I never did no SEG time. I mean, the closest thing I did to SEG was closed custody. Oh, so you got to be a pretty rowdy motherfucker to actually go to SEG. You're not just going to get sent there for a fist fight. No, hell no. You got to be, you're going to be sent there for staff on. Dude, so when I was in prison the first time, like I said, it was. It was real, like realistic where now they'll lock the pod down for three days for a fucking one-on-one fight. Like they do that shit on purpose because they know if you fight, me and you fight over a dumbass football game, we done got the pod locked down. And then what's crazy is they'll keep you in there. So they won't even take you to lock up. They'll keep you in there. So then when they come off a lockdown, now you got all these other fucking inmates ready to fuck y'all up because you done got the goddamn pod locked down. You done got the goddamn pod locked down over two soups or some shit. So now they, basically they're making it to where it's creating more drama. I see the psychology behind it. But back then, I think you might be able to get to SEG a little bit easier these days. Maybe, I'm not for sure, but because it's softer. But I know back in when I was locked up the first time, I seen a motherfucker hit a motherfucker with a hot pot, boiling hot pot water and go to close custody and not even get SEG'd up. But he hit him with baby oil. So we have like the hot pots. They call them hot pots. They're clear now. They look like a pitcher, like a tea kettle pitcher, like tall like that. So you can get the bottom, when you get the bottom taken off, it has this bullshit screw. It used to have a real screw, but it has like this bullshit screw. But motherfuckers so creative, they can get that screw off. So then the heating mechanism, you can rig it to where the hot pot boils. And it's not just hot water, it'll boil. So there was a white dude who came in, he had, I think, like three or five years. He walked in like, no lie, this is like some straight up movie shit. He came in, put his stuff off the pod, put his stuff in his cell, came out, walked over to this crip dude, was fucking sliced up. He had his shirt off, just standing there. He walked up to him and I guess like, I told him, hey, I'll pay you whatever a week or each store day, because I'm just trying to go home. And he had like three or five years, bro. So the crip dude was like, bet. So the crip dude just like, and this crip dude was a crash dummy. He was a loser. You could give him a kilo of cocaine and he'd fuck it off and make every, like he was just a fuck off artist. He was, his own homies didn't even like him, bro. Like he was a gambling junkie. If they gave him like hygiene or anything, they would take the plat, you know, when you buy a new deodorant and you pull the top off, there's that's plastic there. They had take that plastic off and put it under their underarms and give it to him because he would go and sell it or something. So he could gamble. He was one of those type of dudes. Never had nothing. Bum ass motherfucker. So he lucked up on his white boy and the white boy starts paying him. A white boy from Dallas. And, uh, his dad was like, he was really from Philly. Cause I got cool with him. Cause he was, he was stupid fucking cool. So, uh, but his dad was like some type of big ass banker, but he had money. And he was, I remember he was a Jew and I used to fuck with him. Cause he, he, uh, he, he was a Jew and shit like that. I just joke with him and shit, but he was cool as fuck. So anyways, long story short, he was on the pod, maybe about 90 days. This black dude used to punk him. He had grabbed his mail, start reading his mail, all this type of shit. So one day Tom was sitting at the table playing chess and the black dude did. This is why I say like, it's like a movie. This is you couldn't get no weirder than this. He comes over to him. He had already been threatened him like the past week that he was going to start selling them. Like letting dudes be like bone them and shit. He came over and put his dick on his shoulder. And I remember my homeboy who was a crip. We used to sit on the wall and talk a lot. I was like, bro, you need to say something to that fool dog. Like, like you let, he letting him handle that dude like that, you know, like that's stupid. That dude's good money. He's going to wind up catching out. In fact, this time Priya had already came effect. So you could try to catch out. So if you got caught extorting somebody, they could give you some time. Like my homeboy from Dallas, they gave him 99 years for extorting a dude for, for prostituting them. That dude went and said he got raped. They did the rape kit. They found DNA in them and they gave them 99 years in Polk County for selling that dude. So anyways, uh, he put his dick on his dude's shoulder and the dude was like, man, what's up? What the fuck, Tom, bro? This guy is so stupid. He just walked off. Like nothing even happened. Didn't even pay attention. This is what I was trying to tell you. Like the psychology of people, like some people aren't built to fight. Some people are only built to kill. Some people are, you know, only built to fight. They're not built to kill. This dude wanted to pay protection because he knew what he was, what he was about to do. This motherfucker goes in a cell because he gets his door popped. 'cause I told you, you'd get your door popped easy over there. - Tom? yeah tom goes in his cell this guy's not even paying attention he goes over to the domino table and starts playing fucking dominoes this motherfucker goes into the fucking uh the uh his cell puts the towel up on the door fills the fucking hot pot up with baby oil fucking magic shave which you know magic shave is like what black people use they put it on their hair because they get razor bumps and it like burns the skin it makes this stinky ass smelling and they like scratch it off and it just pulls off all the hair on their face so he put magic shave and fucking baby oil in the hot pot and brought it to a boil left his door open the whole time because he told the law when she hit the button she's like what's up he's like hey can you pop my cell could i use the restroom he's like i'm gonna leave it open because i'm gonna come back out he's like i just got to take a crap and she's like yeah do your thing he goes in there fucking pops his shit this dude's a horse jockey that's how big he is he's like 90 pounds you noon five foot two little skinny ass white boy like he could have been a horse jockey that's how i used to fuck with my mother man you should have been a horse jockey bro this motherfucker comes out so me and my homeboy joe who's out now we're sitting on the wall and we're talking and i said i said bro i saw the look in that dude's face i saw the blankness in his fucking eyes bro and i looked i said man that fool's about to do something and he's like let's watch that motherfucker so we're sitting on the floor on the wall where the vent is they had these sold these big ass bags they called it penny candy they were kind of soft on the inside so we're eating penny candy and we had just got done smoking a joint so we're sitting there all blowed and shit eating penny candy drinking coffee and we're looking he's in two row goes in his cell when he comes out i see the black cord wrapped around his arm and he's got his towel dripped over his arm and i was like oh that fool got the goddamn hot pot bro homeboy sitting there playing dominoes he's holding his dominoes like this he's got his back to us this fool comes down the fucking stairs bro comes down the whole time he walks straight past and this dumb fuck's not even paying attention as he comes comes around him like this he fucking uh takes the towel off his fucking arm and comes around and just fucking hook shot him straight in the face boom blasted that motherfucker and the fool had his shirt on this motherfucker jumps up like a like sounds like the wicked witch of the goddamn west he was like fucking takes off running rips his fucking shirt off when he rips his shirt off because all that went down his shirt it pulled off all his skin he just saw fucking pink red flesh he when he grabbed his face like he grabbed his face he pulled skin off his face and fucking tom was just walking around the fucking day room i told you motherfuckers don't fuck with me i just want to go home i'll fucking kill you he's just going ballistic and i was like fuck fool and then fucking tom went over there and started hitting the button and that dude's running around the fucking day room his homies are grabbing him trying to calm him down and he's saying on the pod get me up out this motherfucker for i kill him like and then he went to lock up he was gone for a minute and then i thought they shipped him and then one day i was going over to the infirmary to fall out of place to holler at my homeboy on medium custody because like the infirmary like you can link up with people in the infirmary and chop it up so like that's a good spot to link up with people like you got a homie on medium custody like hey or maybe you trying to shoot him something you guys will fill out i-60s the infirmary to try and get him out of the infirmary and he's like i'm gonna try to meet up in the infirmary at the same day so you can fucking make something happen so i was in the infirmary out of place and then i seen them bring tom in from close custody because everywhere would they take you they have to escort you so the dude's got his hand behind his back and the guards got the goddamn stick and shit and they bring him in and we're sitting in the infirmary and i look and i see tom come in i'm like damn tom what's up baby he's like what's up tim i was like you all good he's like hell yeah i'm good and i was like ain't nobody fucking with you down there he said fuck no ain't nobody fucking with me he's like shit they better not fuck with me he's like i'll fucking turn this motherfucking five into a 99 they did so i guess they didn't even give him any more time but that's the type of shit i'm talking about oh and i i forgot to say you remember how you would talk about like uh chow you always heard chow was no man's land and texas prison church is no man's land because that's where all the gangs meet up to talk so that's neutral that's neutral you don't make anything pop off yeah so nothing will pop off even if there's some type of gang tension racial tension gang even like other gangs they'll go to church to talk out and maybe hash some shit out so church is neutral grounds in prison i thought about that uh yesterday so i figured i would tell you that so this kid tom was being harassed so bad by this this guy this knucklehead that he just scarred him permanently with scalding hot water and lotion and baby oil yeah and the laws didn't even charge him didn't charge him now that dude was shipped off that dude i never saw him again when they took him to medical maybe his burns were so fucking bad they just put him on a medical unit because he probably had to go back to the hospital several fucking times no there's no telling but do you think something like that could give somebody third degree burns fuck baby oil and magic shave magic shave already burns so like when black dudes they put it on it just stinks because it's burning the hairs it's like pulling out the follicle follicles and shit i guess you know i'm saying it's like that nair shit for women women can put nair on and they just wash the hair off it burns it off and then you're talking about boiling fucking baby oil and launching that on somebody's skin fuck dude man he probably got third degree whatever the worst burns are is probably what he got because i'm talking about when he ripped his shirt off it you should have seen all this flesh rip off his back like dude to your knowledge did anybody ever mess with tom again hell no not that i know about not i mean he said he was good on close custody i'm sure he was last question how you've been home a few years now how has death row and conditions inside texas prisons changed if at all it's gotten worse it's gotten worse they're they're the with the water the food the cleanliness of the environment the heat it's gotten worse like texas used to be like self-sufficient they fed their inmate like when i went to prison the first time they fed fucking good bro but then right before i had got to prison it had just ended i'll look this shit up and send it to you this is how i'm gonna live my life i'm gonna live my life i'm gonna live my life i'm gonna live my life i'm gonna live my life i'm gonna live my life i'm gonna live my life i'm gonna live my life these motherfuckers are bro they were getting it's a it's a horse feed um substitute called vitapro they were they got caught with all this vitapro this shit had happened in like 98 99 but i think it was going on longer than that they were mixing the the it stretches food they figured out it could stretch food so they were putting a horse vitamin or a horse something in the food feeding it to inmates in the beef and it had they said it had this wrong ass stench and they said it was making uh inmates walk around with looking like ethiopians with big ass pop bellies and it was killing inmates and they they fucking do they got in a bunch of fucking trouble for that shit i missed that era it i want to say they all got popped in like 98 99 but it was still talked about heavily when i got there the whole vitapro scandal so um when i got there they fed good like every lunch was a dessert you got hooked up on the tray dude it was fed stupid good now down there bro they don't feed worth the fuck like commissary is necessary like those trays those slots on the tray that are all supposed to be filled up they're not you'll go down there and get they call it a meat rock it's a ball of meat with some rice in it and maybe some carrots for lunch and that's it like the laws are stealing everything like uh i was at torres unit and there's a grocery store here in texas and they're calling h-e-b so h-e-b donates a lot of food to the prisons in the san antonio area era so we would get an h-e-b diesel truck every week full of fucking cakes pastries ice cream cheese all types of shit the fucking kitchen commissary lady when it was coming in the front door it was going out the fuck or when it was coming in the back door it was going out the front they were selling that shit out on the streets and weren't even giving it to us they were fucking selling all of that fucking food and they were selling all of that fucking food and they were selling all of that fucking free world shit that h-e-b was donating to us like just the whole thing is fucked up bro like and they expect people to to come home and the thing is is everybody on the outside thinks that it's going good in there and they're taxing the taxpayer all this money they're teaching the exact same uh classes like this class called changes you take to like try to make look good and go to parole like they're teaching the same stuff and change the same changes now that they were teaching in 2000 when i went there like they don't even update the information and then they like when i went to prison the first time used to have a case manager but it that's because it was called tdc uh tdc texas department of corrections that's why you have to pay attention to wording bro and in the legal world so when it said texas department of corrections that means legally by law they had to correct you so like you had to go work or go to school you had to change you had a case worker a case worker that saw you usually every month or every 90 days hey how you doing uh well have you tried this have you done that hey how about we put you in school oh they test your iq you need you need to take it you got your ged i do yeah well you need schooling because your iq is pretty low we need to get you we did this how you're going to succeed in the world they don't have none of that no more because now it's called tdcj texas department of criminal justice so now all they got to do is house you they don't they don't care about educating you they don't care about a trade they don't care it's just a fucking joke and the taxpayers are the ones footing the fucking bill and they think that it's all going to help people and it's not they're cutting the fucking water off i can send you all the articles when i leave here i'll do i'll do it so you can post it where there's no fucking water inmates are dying fucking damn near every day and they're saying it's k2 that the k2 is killing them like motherfuckers come up dead every day there's no acs the laws you are on the lawsuits for the acs the food is like fucking horrible it's it's dude it's it's unexplainable conditions dude for for a first world country for that type of behavior and you don't change people with that type of behavior you only make them worse you you make a person worse with that type of condition if they already come from nothing and you expect them to change then why are you making them live like that with dude it's so hot in there bro like literally especially on the red bricks like i did it because i had never been on a red brick before and that program i was at was on a red brick we took water and because you could see the steam coming off the red brick because those clays it's like a clay brick oven it holds heat really well you fucking you could see steam coming off the wall we threw fucking water on that bitch and it sizzled that's how fucking hot it was like you could not lean up against that wall with your raw back that's not that's not how you do it you can't do it that's not how you do it come on dog that's like living in africa or some shit like you don't treat people like that yeah i mean not if you want them to change it's dude you got these dudes breathing in fecal matter bro boils coming out of their skin my boy justin he still has gastro problems like his stomach is stupid fucking big bro from uh being on he was on i think mcconnell and breathing in shit for a week at a time them not flushing the toilet for a week at a time breathing in shit and pissing like that ain't that ain't right dog that ain't that not and then you're making the taxpayers pay for it like that you got everybody thinking that they're living you know good and they're coming home fucked up because they're fucked up people that that's it's not it's not like that and i'm not a prison advocate because there's dudes in there that need to be in there but there's a lot of good dudes in prison that if they just had maybe somebody believing in them or something like that that they would do better i mean even when you come home your parole officer is supposed to help you get a job they don't fucking help you get no job and i mean i got a cool po but bro like they don't they don't fucking help you you come home and they give you a fucking hundred dollars you've been locked up 10 15 years the motherfucker give you a hundred dollars and tell you fucking good luck the fuck and then that dude goes and fucking rob somebody and then you make him look bad what the fuck you expected him to do you didn't even offer him no goddamn system you're taking everybody's fucking money and you don't even offer them a way to fucking change and then you wonder why your society's fucked up so you this i'm gonna send you the art i'm gonna send you the shit bro i'll send it to you today when i get home i'm gonna send you a bunch of shit so you can post like updated shit on how fucked up it is and and it's not right dog it's if you got family commissaries necessary that's all i can tell you bro they're not even giving them chemicals to wash the fucking trays johnny i would go to chow when i was there bro in the trays you would just see like you know like oil if you just say like you whip some grease right here and drop water on it how you can see the film and you see the water beat it up on top of it that's what the trays are like because the officers are taking the fucking bleach and the dwc home with them to their fucking house and not even giving it to the inmates that's how scandalous it is and it's full of fucking rats rats running everywhere you gotta take a shit and then you're like oh my god i don't like a piece of something like maybe a flip-flop if you can get one and cut it because like when you have the locker that goes so the the piece of steel that comes out you put the lock in it so it can the lock can the the locker can open up about that much and rats will get in your locker and steal your soups and shit so people put stuff behind there to lock it to keep fucking rats out of your it's infested it's infested with rats so tdc is a fucking joke dog and that's probably a thing because that's one of the one of the things that broke my fucking criminal mind frame was seeing how bad it had gotten the living conditions that i was just like i can't that's one of probably one of the reasons why i said i can't do this no fucking more i can't live like it's not getting better it's getting worse worse and worse and worse and worse and worse you