Ten Queens, Five Suitcases, No Dignity: All Stars Season 2 with Trixie and Katya

[MUSIC] >> Let's have some turkey talk. >> Wow, are we rolling? >> We sure are. >> Rolling, it's so nice to be here with vocals. >> [LAUGH] >> I thought I've got new vocal stems. >> Which, what are we dropping? >> He's a honey, little bastard. >> What is that from? >> This was a song. >> What about you know what we've been saying around the house. Talk to me, Mr. Wonderful. >> Dolores, bring me my China beat. >> [LAUGH] >> You ever just listen to that to yourself at 2 a.m. >> I love it, I love it. I was like, I also have another one, Sim from the same song. >> Does your mother know what you're up to? >> Does your mother know? >> [LAUGH] >> That's me in the kitchen at 2 a.m. >> Yes. >> My other favorite is my favorite is being high in the house and going, hello. >> [LAUGH] >> You know I'm at biggest fear is because my house is haunted. >> Yeah. >> If someone, if a boy said it recognize, goes, what? >> You're the only- >> No, no, wait, wait, wait. >> [LAUGH] >> I also got an old stand by, god, now. >> Who's god, now from Hannibal, Mason Verger? >> No, god. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been on a horror terror, I just rewatched. The history I woke up at like 7 a.m. and watched get out. >> [LAUGH] >> I like 7 in the morning and I haven't seen it in years. >> Yeah. >> The great film, that flavor, that crunch in that flavor, that crunch in that flavor. >> Yeah. >> When the grandma's wig falls off with the scar on the forehead and attacks. >> Like Conti. >> Girl, it's Conti. >> The slow roll, the slow unravel. >> Yeah. >> Allison Williams drinking milk with her button, all the way buttoned up. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Also when she's on the phone, my favorite character, the friend who works for TSA. >> Yeah. >> It's great. >> So good. >> So good. >> So good. >> You know what, I think TSA does no shit. >> They know what you got in, they know about your liquids. >> What do you think the training is on TSA? >> That's just X-raying liquids. >> Do you think it's a weekend or do you think it's like it's probably ongoing? >> Do you need it undergrad? >> No. >> I think it's they on board you immediately and they just, do you learn on the fly? >> [LAUGH] >> Does your blood move? >> No. >> [LAUGH] >> Okay, I guess we mentioned, this is kind of awkward for me because it's the pod. And this episode is launching, a kind of, a passion project, a kind of summer rewatch, a kind of side project where we're going to watch the greatest season of RuPaul's Drag Race, ever that you kept in the ship of RuPaul's Drag Race All-Star season two. >> All-Stars, can we get a clap around the house? >> A little commotion for the second season of All-Stars. >> I have so many- >> Does your mother know? >> I have so many, before we really get into it, I would love to talk to you. >> I feel like I'm Diane Sawyer, and I'm Courtney Love, and Whitney, and Andy Dick. >> Smokecrack, every base. And I just think we have to set the time because it was 26- >> I need to do my Patreon. >> But I don't smoke crack, I free base. >> [LAUGH] >> Well, why don't you break them the news then, you said the P word. >> Listen, I did the Peace Lair, and I'm gonna follow the Peace Lair. We cannot call up Patreon, we'll see you guys over on the Peace Lair. >> [LAUGH] >> Does your mother know what you're up to, for Peace Lair? >> We have been soft-launching, soft-launching, the Peace Lair for a while. >> Yes. >> Because we keep saying we're gonna put things behind a table. >> Yeah. >> Now we're ready to kick it into the atmosphere. >> Kick it. >> I want you to tell them. And so this is a video that I never thought we would make. But we're here, and we're making it. And basically, I'm breaking my silence for the both of us. Because we are starting a Patreon, or a Patreon, depending on how you pronounce it. >> We're a Peace Lair. >> A Peace Lair, if it's known. Whether Patreon, Patreon, or Patron, it will be henceforth known as the Peace Lair. And we are, we are going, we're hitting the ground running, as they say. >> Yes, we're still gonna have our normal pockets, of course. But this is, I mean, I was thinking about in the car on the way here, Volvo XC60, huge steel. >> [LAUGH] >> And I was like, this is kind of our side quests. >> It's our side quests of the ball to the beautiful. >> Yeah. >> My main quest, main quest, but side quest. >> Yeah. >> And for those. >> Why hope nobody fucks me? >> For those of you who love to listen to it for free every week, we will still be here doing it. >> This is, yeah, no, it's like, this is not a reroute, or you're not like, you know when they say it's like you get in the car. And they say, we're actually not going to airport, we're going to kill your grandma. It's not doing that, we're going, this regular trip will still be going. But then there's also another route. >> Right, there's another route. We don't take the highway. We go through the side, we go through the scenic route. >> The by way. >> The by way. >> The queen of pass. >> Yeah, the queen of pass. >> Free to the one out one. >> No problem, bar and bowl of art. >> Yep. >> But the main thrust of this is that it's not, this is a legitimate creative endeavor that I'm actually very proud of. >> We've been filming for months. >> Yeah, I'm in dire straits, but in yet, I still have not succumbed to the seduction on the cash grab. >> No, no. >> And I'm not, I'm not getting any of this money. >> No. >> This is going to you. >> As far as I concerned, absolutely. >> As your mother knows. >> Absolutely. And I also want to say for those of you, because we just, Joan just did that beautiful piece on, and it really, like at least, and it made me reflect and want to reconnect with our co-colliberator Pete Williams. So a lot of the Patreon, almost all the Patreon content you will receive is from the trifling minds of me, you and Peter. >> Peter! >> Peter, come in the frame. >> Peter! >> Pete Williams, the director and shooter of Oh, yeah. >> And I'm going to tell you, I have gotten first look at the footage, and there's already at least three long pieces, very long, at three times as long as most episodes, sometimes four times long. And they are so good, and I am able to have a major- >> Thank you for crouching. >> Yeah, thank you. >> He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like. >> He's got, I better put on my nude colored shorts and go crouch on camera. >> What a whore. >> He's got the good old sensor bar built in, so he doesn't catch any footage. >> Listen, she grew up in Utah, she's making it up for lost years. >> Yes, she is, and she's doing a great job. >> No, the first of all, we have four episodes or three or four episodes of behind the scenes stuff from the out of studio. >> Out of studio. >> Out of studio. >> Adventure time, and this is not some half-fast bullshit man on the street stuff. We shut down a whole thrift store, we went in there, galavanting, and it was so good. It's so funny, and so well done, and that's a really great job. >> Yeah, and also I want to say, you know how you and I hate the only fans, where it's $40 a month, and it's just an underwear pick for in so many years. >> Burn so many times, burn so many times. >> We are the only fans that, for your dollars, we're giving you- >> Yeah, we're giving you the best free preview is a 40-minute fisting video. >> 100%. >> Yeah, and that's what we're doing. Okay, so basically our first tier is I go through hell with the ads. >> It's never adding. >> I don't want to do ads again. >> I go through hell with this and the ads. >> Five dollars, okay, take my money, I don't want those ads. >> So all the people who make ads, or just want to skip ads? >> Yeah, five dollars. >> Five dollars. >> Less, how about this? I was going to say for the price of a latte, we guess what? We're living in Los Angeles for price of two lattes. No, sorry, for half the price of a latte, that's what I meant to say. Half the price of a latte, you can get access to ad-free full episodes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> For 20% of the price of a vodka soda in West Hollywood. >> Do you? >> No, tea. >> Mary actually, tea. >> I'm going to tell you all something that I think is so shocking. I went to a pull party in Hollywood. I went by myself. >> Yeah. >> Brave. >> Baked there. >> Brave. >> Down Hollywood Boulevard. >> Got one drink. >> $20. >> I want you to guess how much one drink was at this hotel. It was a double shot of Espelone with soda. $46. >> No, you're joking. >> I'm dead serious. >> What do you mean? >> Espelone. >> $46. >> Does your mother know what you mean? >> Espelone is a tequila. >> Espelone also costs $26 for the full bottle. >> Okay, so this one I'm saying. >> Okay, so where's the grip happening here? >> Why don't you just go to Costco? >> So as far as our content is concerned, we're giving you the, you basically get three nights at the Hilton. >> My God. >> Okay. >> And they fuck you. >> They fuck you. >> I'm limited room service. >> He's a dirty little Mr. Hilton comes down and fucks you. >> Let's talk about what's in tier two and three. So tier two is review, recap, recast. >> Yeah. >> So you're going to talk about the rest of the old stories. >> The old stories. >> So you get, so we're giving you a flavor, an amuse bush or the whole thing of the first couple of episodes or whatever. >> We're doing reviews, recaps, recasts. >> Which is what I'm in passions right now. >> Yeah. >> I have a phone app called notes. >> Yeah. >> And I have, I'll type a movie, and I will recast it myself for my own enjoyment. >> I love that. >> Right now I've been working on the Hunger Games. >> Okay, recasting the Hunger Games. >> Cat piss ever stream. >> Most people right now are lesbians. >> I'm trying to switch it up though. >> Yeah. >> The sapphic switch. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay, fierce. And then we're doing recap. We're doing movie reviews. We're doing recaps of Rupal's Drag Race. I'm excited for the Drag Race one because I had a really good time doing seven last year. >> Yeah. >> And All Stars 2 is so good. >> It's great. It's really, it's really action packed. >> And I'm not in it. It's all joy for me. >> Right. >> There's no. And also, I just want to say, this is the cast. You guys are all so good. >> I know. >> For how old the season is 10 years ago? >> It's amazing. >> Yeah, well, you know, we'll get into it. >> I'll save my thoughts for the camera. But like, yeah, no, it's great. It's really good. And I, whether or not you have we're going to watch it again. I think it'll be, it's the lovely season to talk about. >> And then we have a third tier for the top tier pussy premium divas. >> Yeah. >> And that's all this extra content. Like we're talking flying Pete to Canada to film out of joke. I mean, this is like Emmy award winning feature ads. - No, we haven't won anything yet, but we will-- - But there's chatter. - There's chatter. - And we're not doing payola. That's where you come in. You give us money, then we'll buy the Emmy. - Right. - But it's, no, I mean, I think they're great. I don't, I don't wanna, I am old, and I don't wanna spend one minute on my life watching something I don't wanna watch. That is the tea. And I, I gobbled up every single minute of these feature ads, and they're so fabulous. - They're so fabulous. - I'm just excited because honestly, we have a PhD in free content on the internet. - We have put out thousands of dollars of sugar together, and I'm excited to put out something that is like the direct to consumer, farmer's market experience, homegrown. - Come in to my garage, I'll tell you a watch. - It's very bad. - This is me coming up to the street. - A lot of watch, a lot of watch, yes. - And the watch works. - These are my duny handbags, come get one. - Okay, but anyway. But if you just wanna stay with us on the pod, you can just keep doing that. - Things are gonna change. - No one's gonna hurt you. - You don't have to choose who to live with. It's like, no, I wanna live with you, but I wanna live with Patron. No, you don't have to make that decision right now. We're not gonna drag you in a court, bring you away from your mommy or daddy. - And if you listen to the normal pod like you're in the car right now, you will just continue to get the normal pod in your own life. - Yeah, and then instead, but the good news is I'm breaking this now, is that instead of ads, we're gonna do. - Come by y'all. - Y'all my lord, come by y'all. - Instead of ads, there's a feature that, it's a hidden button, but you can press it. But we are so excited about this patron, it's gonna be really something special. And that's why we've waited so long. We didn't, we didn't just jump on the Patreon bandwagon, Bloodthirsty Monsters, creatures trying to score. - They court us, they court us, they court us. - They court us, they court us. - In the Jewish faith, you have to request to be a convert three times. - Yeah. - They did it like seven times. - No, the rabbi says to say no three times. Did you know this? - Oh, it's like, no, it's a Patreon. - It was like, no, the comeback later. - No, come back later. - It was very bad. - Yes, it was very, you know what else happens? We had to wait for us to get a little more dire financially. Things had to get a little darker. - They had to wait for the chapter 11 ink to dry. - Absolutely. So I'm excited, but now can we stop blurring 'cause I wanna talk about Drag Race? - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been waiting to talk about the shit girl. - Why am I this shit? - It's a very special surprise. - Some of the shit from this season is shit that I put on when I'm drunk just to watch it. - Okay. - Like, what? - Read you, wrote you. - Oh yeah, yeah. - As it calls, read you, read you. - Read you. - I'll be putting the shit on just to watch it. - Yeah, you know it. - Yeah, I met this guy and then he said something fun. Let's move on. Yeah, it's great. It's really great. - What do you have to surprise us with? - Well, I don't know if I should drop it now. We'll get into the episode and then I have a special surprise and one of the contestants. - Just a shit. - One of the contestants. - I don't know if I should drop it now. You stand up and the turd falls out of the bottom of your list. - You're shaking it out. - Shake it out and you just need to get dry. - Yes. So I gotta think, you and I were just maybe starting or had just started or had started. - Yeah, now I was, I remember very vividly. I got the, well, I started calling designers and by designers I mean designer, 'cause I only knew one. And I called Jane Doe from, Nina Kate from Jane Toe Latex when I got the list of stuff. I was in England and this was very soon after season seven. - If you remember, it was very soon after. - It was very soon after. - Yeah, and then there was season eight and then all sorts of two was like months later. - It was in the summer, right? - It was in this, yeah. I think it was like maybe eight months after this season. It was not a, I could be wrong about that, but I don't think so because there was like 20, 15, 16, no, it wasn't a full year. 'Cause I don't only think there was one, 'cause you and Ginger had just, they filmed a season, then they filmed our season. And I don't even think at the time of the season. - That's right. - Eight had aired yet. - You guys filmed right after season eight. - Yeah. - I think the workroom was still set up and everything. - Mary, this was logo TV, baby. - Oh, Pete was there. - This was logo TV, honey. Oh, logo, logo, golf channel. - I mean, like, where is it? - Can't find it, doesn't exist anymore. - It's on the fourth golf channel. - Yeah, I thought ESPN eight. - It's on G4. - ESPN ESP. - I just, I remember, we had just done besties for cash or like whatever, or we had just, had just done the fashion photo review around the time you got that and then maybe we started on, 'cause I feel like I remember you coming to do in All Star's drag outfits. - The last episode, oh yeah, because I, right? - I think I can badmouth the person now. - Ooh. - Can I badmouth somebody? - Are you kidding? I live for this. - Do you know how much an 11-part series on TikTok up so about someone's divorce? (laughing) - Do you know what, and I am with the whole shit. - So this is what I had to do. - There was a magazine called Queen Magazine. (laughing) - He's the honey, a little bastard. (laughing) - And I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna shi- (laughing) (laughing) - This is not on the face. (laughing) - Yeah, it's not on the face. - Yeah, if you, if you wanna be, you can make $20 to hear this. - I think I can't believe you just said it because I was, okay, one of the original business starters of Queen Magazine was in Drag Race. And I just saw him in the episode, and I was like, oh my God, I forgot about this. I forgot all about this. - I didn't. (laughing) - I don't, I don't, so I don't have the brain, I don't have the brain with, brain, brain with to hold on to Gregis, 'cause I just don't have a lot of real estate up there that's still working. But I had, I petitioned. - It's a studio apartment. Like, if you wanna take something home, - Do it. - Do it. - It's like, it's like a shared bathroom down the hall. - Yeah. (laughing) (laughing) - I'm in there with my, with my marathon. (laughing) (laughing) - Shivering, shivering myself. Like, ooh, to pick, run the bus, and you're done. I, I had to petition. Now, I had to stuff an extra outfit into my All-Stars, very limited All-Stars to five suitcase allotment, or I had to select them anyway. I had to, I had to petition them to let me stay an extra day at the hotel after filming was done, because I was, I was asked to do a photo shoot in what I thought was a very prestigious opportunity for Queen magazine. - Uh-huh. - So, Queen magazine was a brand new. - It was a brand new and a big, glossy nasty. - You know what, before, I'm not here to critique people's business success and say, oh god knows, I have closed businesses, it sucks. But, the quality of that magazine was beautiful. - I'm telling you, it was like V, Matt, it was like, when a beautiful-- - V, you know, it was like, when did those old school art magazine that you, that is just like, you know, with $30, and you get the mortgages. - You get on that Franklin, that corner of Franklin on the Franklin Village, you know, those like art magazines. - Oh, you know what I'm talking about. - It's Franklin Mint. - Franklin is really worth it. - It's a Frinck. - It's a Frinck Frinck, it's a Frinck Frinck, yeah. - So, it was gorgeous. - I was very, I was gonna be their cover girl. I think for their first issue, wasn't it Alaska? - It was. - Ah! - And it was Alaska, a change at the last minute because they had rolled their dice and thought I was gonna win all stars too. Before the season was even videotaped or filmed, they were like, we gotta get her. And then, when the, when the season was done, the voter sheet was completed. And I don't know who, I think that they probably learned because this guy who's named Rhymes with Giles, Javis Judy, the country did this to me and the, the Dixers. - Miles, Javis Moody, a former pick crew member who is a big flop. He is, I mean, I don't know him all enough to, well, I do, in this very, in this instance, I don't think anybody's, this person's not evil, of course. But this was a very, this was a big flop. And so they, I shot with Magnus Hastings, who I love. And we did a fun, really great nasty little photo shoot at his place while at the, right after I finished filming, the season. - Was it the one at the picture of the snarkle? - No. - No, no, no, no, this is much later. I don't think this, I don't know if these pictures ever saw the light today. I was in a red, a leather, like, red leather leotard thing with some crazy hair in front of a cool Mylar backdrop. It was a very cool photo. I could probably find it somewhere, I'm not sure. But they, they just, just, just booted me off the cover. And I don't, sorry, ugly. - Yeah, jobless. - Sorry, sorry, sweetie. We're gonna go with someone pretty. - Yeah. - We're gonna go with someone who won. - Right. - So that was never, it was never like the, hey, we're so excited that you're gonna win all stars. There was not that discussion was all behind the scenes. And so when, I think, when Alaska was, it was clear that she was gonna win. Or I don't know what the internet, but that, I was booted off the magazine. So, yeah, it was interesting. - Well, yeah. - It was a beautiful magazine. - Yeah, I wish it was still going. - I think they owe people thousands of dollars. - Yes, at the time, though, I don't think there had been anything that was, like, showing Drag Queen's as the focus of an art book. Like, I wish it had been successful because I think it's, I think it's nice. - Yeah, well, you go bankrupt. I'm not my nicky band. - They go bankrupt, not me. But I'm saying, you know, like, I like the effort. I wish that it would have worked for everyone. Because I like the heart, I think is no place. - Yeah, usually when you start a business, I guess these days, although if you're a venture capitalist and then somebody invests in you and you flop, they lose the money. I think that's what happened. But the customers, I think, pre-ordered a bunch of stuff. - Oh really? - Yeah. - I don't know anything about that. - Yeah, it was a big flop. And I think people lost a lot of money. People, customers who paid for subscriptions or whatever. But we can, because when you show up at the Trixie Motel, it's just an empty lot. - Just think. - But there is a flyer. - There's a flyer. - Hey. - Is that something? - Yeah, yeah. - And if you really want the experience, you can go on Instagram. - Oh my god, we have to, what do you think is going to happen at the drag sale this weekend? - Selling a lot of stuff. - I, can I tell you what I think is going to happen? - What? - Unmanageable flash mob, Ariana Grande at the mall level. - Honey, this ain't my first rodeo. Don't underestimate my power to control people. because I will whip them into a frenzy, metaphorically speaking. Not very big because I feel like people are going to buy one button and credit and maybe maybe this is for a while. Listen to me. Listen to me right now. I worked at Dorothy's boutique for seven years. We had no space in there, but we had, so we had, our capacity was probably comfortably at a hundred customers. We had a thousand outside. I was working the door, taking bribes, doing crowd control, yelling at people, stopping people with a stick. You worked at the door? Yeah, I made it to the club. I made five to six hundred dollars in bribes of your shift. I said, if you were real serious about getting this sexy gas station attendant thing for your girlfriend and getting home before eight o'clock, put your hand on the money grip. Take that money. Roll it up. Shep it up my pussy. I was like, you want to, I was like, listen, baby, this is America. You want to get to the front of the line. Right. Show me some Benjamin Jefferson. Show me the Benjamin Jefferson. Give it to me now. Show me that paper with Michelle Obama on it right now. The Benjamin Jefferson. It's the Benjamin Jefferson, honey. Oh, it's Benjamin. I'm telling you that we promised telling you they were bribing you with nickel. This is how you find out they were giving you fake money. They gave me those Benjamin Jefferson. They gave me the Lawrence joiner curse. They gave me those Abigail Adams coins and they, so I remember, no, so I can get you. So this, the sale, this weekend, this will, this will have gone up already. But the sale will have been a success and everybody will be pleased. And some people will be heartbroken only because the, the stock went out early. I'm selling stuff to and we, I deceptively had a lot. Yeah. No shit. Of course. A lot. Well, we're selling everything that ain't nailed to the floor. But I was like, we don't have much. I went through the closets. I'm like, were you honored it where I went another pass? Yeah. And I was like, you did three. You got it. You did multiple passes. My, my, my rationale is nothing is priced ever because that's the fun of it. Yeah. I don't price. No, no, no, no, nothing's set in stone. Everything is negotiable. It's a very bizarre situation. I think we're in AR. I think Brandon and his mother are selling my drink. Oh, incredible. Love it. Yeah, it's always, it's Hagalina. It's Hagalina. It's Hagalina. And it, you got to come in and be what you have to have, you know, you got to have your Venom code out. You got to have the cash flow flowing and then let's talk. It's really a social fun. It's fun. But people got to wait and they're, listen, there's the scroll down stairs. That's a restaurant. There's the, the, the commune store across the street that sells one paper towel and then they got a Mexican place to. You can get some to eat. It's a lovely little area. Yeah. Yeah. I hope it goes well. Of course it will. I do. Well, there's a parking lot. They can do the flash mob if they want. But these are all people. Listen, if we know anything about a lot of our fans, they're not exactly violent people. Okay, they're, they, they, they skew extremely respectful. They let anything confidence to take a swing at anyone. Thank you. They're very, they actually, they, they, they skew. They're passing. You could slap them. What do you think I just did? Crowd control. Right. Yeah. So I remember God, 10 years ago in 2016, we had just started, uh, yeah. You and Ginger, I remember got the call and this was the second All Star. So I have like so many questions because this season sets the rules for so many All Star seasons. I know. And I'm watching it going. Okay. You guys, we could talk about it in order, but I'm like, you guys, your only point of reference was All Stars one, which we was so long ago in such a flop. Respect. No, no, no. But I don't know people loved the team. Nobody did. Nobody did. Not even the girls on the show. Who were incredible, by the way. Amazing cast too. And they did a lot with not very much. They did a lot with not very much. And you know, it was just a big, I think it was a, a big flop from the producers point of you because nobody wanted teams, the ever drag queen drag is not a team sport, but you don't know what I bet it was. And I, nobody, I have no idea. I bet they only had enough money to a finite amount of episodes. And so if you're in teams, you eliminate two at a time, don't you? No, I think that's a, as you can have a bigger cast with less episodes, that may be true, but I feel like that just plays a massive lack of imagination because it's like, well, then why don't we just eliminate two girls or eliminate the bottom two? Or if like, if you win, you get a gun and you get to shoot or everything, they can't come back. They can't come back. They're dead. So we were shocked because I walked in thinking, because we had no way of, we had no way of knowing that you guys were, that All Stars was happening. It wasn't like an annual thing or anything. No. But I think one of the producers had very, very obtusely, very vaguely planted a seed in my head about, hey, just so you know, I mean, she didn't even say it was so crazy. It was like, so I heard, did somebody say something about an All Stars season? It was very that. It was very that. It was like, just somebody say something about All Stars season. So, but also like the last thing you're worried about in that scenario, because I'm worried about how to get my luggage from Darlington to fucking to, to, to Chatham or whatever the fuck. I was in England. Right. And you're acne. Because that was my adult at the time. I'm really, I'm worried about my unborn baby. Right. Right. I'm going to have great skater for my baby. One girl. And just a lot of night games. What tore down hit, baby? Walking in All Stars. She was jumping up. She could burn an outfit. She could, she would chop. She could, she could brush all night long. She was clapped. But she could burn an outfit. Um, so none of us had any idea that All Stars was a thing. None of us were like, 'cause it wasn't all stars. It wasn't a thing. It was eight seasons, seven, six seasons and, and, you know, way back in season seven. I remember thinking that the shark had jumped, whatever the fuck, the show jumped the shark at season six. Season six was kind of a creative or a quality apex. And then it was like either you could argue that it was. It was. I mean, it really was. But I wouldn't say, I don't think it's fair to say that it was a downhill thing. I don't think it's linear, but it was a re organization, a refresh, a re development of the whole show in, in general, you know, because season seven was not. A step down. It was a different staircase. Right. Do you know what I mean? A different stage, different, whole, different dynamic of people. Yeah. And we did, as you guys don't know, we did talk about all of season seven last year. Yeah. So if you could, you could go watch that before you do this, but, yeah. But this chronologically, season seven airs, we filmed the finale several months later, you're doing this. Yeah. I think like six months later, maybe, or a couple months later, yeah, they called and then they sent, uh, they called and they sent, um, again, not a lot, not enough time to come up with the outfits. Especially being on tour. I only had three bots. Uh, no, I was on, I was doing my solo thing. I was like doing club gigs. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? I was just like going around doing club gigs. And, um, in England, I know I was talking to Nina on the phone in England and, um, designing, like, trying to help. Me to West, your designer. Help my Disney office. Oh, because there was Ariel. There was, there was, um, Moana. There was Bell. And then there was the teacup. And then we couldn't figure out the teacups. We did the beast. No, but I, you know, we got the list. But then I remember it. I was at Jock's. I remember very, oh, I, I remember exactly where I was when I had the conversation about the talent show. And, um, we've got a special guest who was talking about her talent show. Okay. Great. Because I also wanted to say, so let's get into it, um, because I want to talk about this is also the invention of the talent show. Yes. Like the driver's talent show is inventive. So many firsts here. So many firsts here. Terrifying firsts. Terrifying. So we, can we just start? We go chronologically. Can we start with the episode? The top of the episode. I, I walk in first. You walk in first. First, and I butcher and mangle my, my catch phrase. It is absolutely not even they needed to get a honor story down here to coach you. Not even remotely grammatically even have anything to do with the Russian language. It literally, what did you say? I said, so if you're saying happy, something like happy mother's day, it's a very idiomatic grammatical construction. It's like, it literally means with mother, with the day of mother's, it is just, it's not happy. It just doesn't work. It's a very, it's an idiomatic non-translational person thought would they be like, absolutely, absolutely. They have it. Not one clue about what I was saying. I don't think they're flatter that you tried. Maybe because I did, I did say like, I'm the first one, which I think I said correctly. And then I said, like, do you have a ski, which is girls, whatever. So I got, I had a very, but so I'm wearing this wig, very Peggy Bundy with a very, let's talk about the wig because I, let's take a break. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, do it. What? I, don't hit the color. I hate the bangs. Oh, the bangs, like you, someone threw it on with one hand from behind you. And, and it's stuck. And it just stuck. It's stuck, yeah. It's not even like framing your, it's just kind of like curtains. It's curtains and it's, it's so low. It's, yeah. It's, it's so low. You're going to have an eye patch on underneath it, underneath the bang. And they couldn't, because I was wearing a latex outfit that was custom made by Joe again, it was cool. It was off the rack, it was, but it was customized, customized. And then, which would, we later turned out to be a, a tough point for Tatiana, who had the same outfit, not customized black, yeah. So I come in, they had to wire that, they had to wire me in my hair, because latex does not microphone. And because you do Broadway, because they had it right on your foot. Right. So I had us, we'll talk about it on All Stars 3, but I had that latex thing, and they put it in the hair, yeah, in the hair. So that's why it was all messed up, because they had to, they had to take it off and then throw it on me. Did they then fuck the way? Does somebody put their huge cock in the wig? Yeah, you were sure they was actually filled with gum. So I come in, I'm like, you know what, I'm like, I'm coming in off of, this is my mindset. I'm very aware of my popularity, and I'm aware of the fan favorite status, and I'm aware of the discrepancy between what I am capable of, and what people want me to do, or and also the perception, the misperception of my ability through the lens of I like you. 100%. So you're dealing with, all right, I'm very popular because of my personality, not because I'm a good child. And now you have to live up to, yeah, if you're people's horse in the race, yeah, you have to run. Yes. Yeah, yeah, I have to run, but also So I am aware, so I'm aware of being overrated. I'm aware of being overrated. - I really thought you were going to say overrated. - Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. - I'm aware of being overweight. - No, I really thought you were about to say that I'm aware I'm overweight. - Yeah, I know I'm biggest- - I'm going into this. - I know I'm fat. - And I'm not only comfortable, I'm happy. - Right, yeah, no. - So you're aware that you're rated, you're discussed, you're excited. I'm happy she's here, which is why they put you first. - Exactly. - And people are going to know me there. - And also, in coming off of season seven, which was literally two weeks ago. - Yeah, I, you know, I was, I was a very, I, towards the end of the season, people wanted me to win. I, you know, we've talked about this, but I never thought I was going to win, and I didn't even want to. But the, so I'm aware of being a fan favorite, right? So the fan favorites is a big expectation. I also objectively know that I'm overrated at this point, and that's fine, that's not my fault. That's not my fault. - You're just living. I'm living, I'm living, making mistakes, and just being myself. - I'm actually getting more overrated. I think people are excited about you. - No, no, no, that's two different things. - Oh. - People can be excited, and that's just excited. - They're just emotional. - They're like, "Love her." - She sucks, but love her. - Tee though. - Tee though. - I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, that was me during this challenge show, when we get there because somebody is, I was like, "I know this sucks, but I'd watch it again right now." - How it goes? - Are we kidding me? - I mean, I'm excited. - I, I, I, I, I mean, it's so horny. - Would it hit that crunch? - Would she hit that crunch? - That, that cr, girl, it's, I mean, I think it's the verminator. - Immediately. - I think of Wendy Williams. - Yeah. - Like Britney walking at the jewelry clanking. - It's so awesome. - It's incredible. It's so dystopian, post-apocalyptic. It's so mad, it's so, post-modern. It's so outrageous. - It's like AI. - It is, but it, no, but it's still very human. Like you went on like Gemini, and you're like, "Chill me a video of Cocoa Montrese in a, "Layer of Lame Movie." - Silent movie. - Yeah, Silent movie. - Well, sure. - You know, all this missing are the title cards. Like, and then I grabbed the hat, or and then my husband wasn't there, dot, dot, dot, like all those silent movie title cards are missing. Because if you put it in black and white, and you frame it as a silent scene, a scene in silent movie, it's actually like very on point. But it's a talent show. It's like, I have a question where we get to talent show. Now, did you know, I did not know anybody coming in. Now, I'll rent, let me rent down. - You didn't know who was gonna come. - No, and you, as you know, you were first on your season, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - You're in there for so long. - Oh my. - They give you, they give you way too long to just chewing up the scenery. - You're in there after two seconds and me roading around. I'm like, four scores and seven years ago. - Like, I don't know what to do. - How long is it between the next person that comes in? - At least 10 minutes. - I think 10 minutes is probably a little long. I mean, I would say at least five. - Five. - Five. - When you're there alone. - Five is a long time to just riff by yourself. - Who's from out of town? - Yeah, it's like, where am I like that? - Right. - Do your brunch jokes. - Yeah, it's like, you're looking in the mirror, you're taking a lot of money to look this cheek. - Yeah, yeah. - And it's like, you know, and also when you're talking, when I'm talking to anybody, you're not. - I'm not the same person. - I'm not the same person that's gonna do, like, my little scene from "Nightmother" or like, - They should have sent Alyssa in first. - She would have been like, thank God I can just, - That is a very great suggestion. - She would have just mugged. - I should have been right before Alaska. Or not invited. Not included at all. I would be, you see me from behind one of the cameras, like, you're behind the mirror. - Yeah. - The lights flash on it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What was that? - And then the next one is my butt, by the mirror. - Oh. - When I have like, in like Kung Fu Hustle, when the little voice, but it's always showing up. I'm like. (laughs) (upbeat music) - So detox comes in. Looks amazing. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Oh, I love this outfit. - 10 out of 10. She looks beyond the theory. - She looks so fabulous. And it's just a perfect, it's a perfect casual, theatrical, casual, like, I mean, it's a great detox look. - It's a great, it's a quintessential detox look. - And I love her. - She looks awesome. - I love her and I'm like, oh, that's great. I'm just happy to be with her. I'm happy to really get to know her. Then we got Alyssa. Mama, this outfit. - Melissa comes in. - Melissa Edwards with this outfit that is just psychotic. - It's very hard though. - Yeah, well, it's everything in the kitchen. - Don't you see? - It's like a skirt, a corset, a cape, and then a mat with the bow, and shoes that don't match at all. - It's great. - It's so crazy. - It's so crazy. - It's so crazy. - It's exciting though. She could be so dazzling. It's just, she's the best. She's the 11 herbs and spices. - Yeah. - Any drag race season. - She's the most dashed. - Bam, Mrs. Dash. - No need salt and pepper. It's all in there. - The rest of you could go home and she just said, it's incredible. - I loved every minute. I gotta say, it was every minute filming with her was fantastic. She showed up always on, and she was never, like she, whatever, we'll get to it, but she was just fabulous. And then we got ginger. No, sorry. - Yes. - What do you think? - What do you think? - It's beefy. - Hold on, I have a list. - Oh, it's beefy. - It's riddled me this. - It's cruel. - I'm a dog and I'm a cat. I don't know what it's like. - It was that, it was, it was that was the vibe because it was, it didn't run. - It didn't run. - Can I hate, I hate mother goose. - Why? - I hate, I know. - Crunch the crunch and munch the lunch. - I'm gonna punch the crunch, like I can't. - Also, if you're gonna do it, if you're gonna do a, like a limbic or something, we're like that. - To Robert Frost, you know? - Two forks in the road, how? (laughing) - Divergent in a cup, the pathless travel. - And it has made all the difference. - Yeah. - Do you, we're gonna do, where's Emily Dickinson? We're gonna do the Virginia Woolf. We're gonna do, you're all flops. - We're in the old doll. - Old Hollywood. - Something. - Yeah. - It was, it's so booboo. And it was, the number, I mean, the outfit was like, okay, it's a-- - I do like the outfit. I don't know if it's like-- - It's well executed, it's supposed-- - Yeah. - It's not my, I don't like purple and orange. - Or is it purple and orange? - I mean, it's probably turned out-- - It was purple and green, 'cause the riddler. - Green and purple. - It's the riddler. - I mean, I love DC, I'm like that, man. - Smarty-graw. - I'm not really ever a fan of, like, Golden Cosplay on Drag Race. - No, I mean, it is, it's kind of inappropriate. - It's just not the right venue for it. - She's really close playing general, but I just never, like, turn up Fordon Drag Race. - Yeah, I don't either. I don't think it makes sense. - The face looks good. - Also, the riddler is like, what did we joke? What do we, what do we got questions about? - What do we got questions about? What's confusing? What's the riddle? - Riddle me this? - He's a super villain. - He terrorizes that man with riddles. - I bet you can see Katja from your back. Y'all. - Well, that gets really awesome. That's the riddler. - She's the riddler. - She's the riddler when-- - The riddler-- - She's Ridley Scott. - What do we know about the riddler? He would never come out and say, "By the way, I'm the riddler." - Right, he would put a riddler cosplayer in the mix and then he wouldn't even do his hat. - Yes, of course. So then we get-- - Elizabeth, my dear. - It is so horrible when you're near. - Great mother goose, mother fucking goose girl. - So we got, okay, so I put on all the rhymes and internal. My hair, weird microphone in. Alyssa looking crazy, detox amazing. Ginger, hate the coat, love the bathing suit. - Oh my god, I forgot that I also took notes. - Hate the coat, love the bathing suit. - Hate the coat. - Her body looks great. - The body is fabulous. It's one of those, I feel like it's a semi-rare moment when she made a really great, all the proportions are fabulous. - Yeah. - And the detail on the side with the lace and the giant bow is like really chic. - Yeah. - And I think that, you know, all the proportions are really like slamming. - The body is just ginger's body is, this is maybe the best ginger body shot we've seen on driver's point. - Yeah, it was really good. - The coat hate it. - It's great to have ginger back. - Yeah. How are your thoughts on having your season seven sister there? - My best friend. - When you, well, I was just relieved at this point to have my best friend. - It's kidding. - That is your smoking buddy though. - Yeah. - You think you've got this smoking buddy. - By the way, at this point, oh yeah, I'm smoking. I'm smoking. I am, I'm sorry, but I'm smoking. And yeah, no, but see, here's the fun part, is that Roxy and detox become my smoking buddies. Of course. - So that's why I really, like I know, I got to know Roxy on this scene, sorry ex program, but I get to know Roxy and detox because when you, as you know, to your aggravation, when you have a horrible life crippling addiction, like smoking that makes no sense, you're allowed all this extra time in professional environments to just, to just smoke. And so we would go out to smoke as a group and you know, when Ginger got chopped in episode three, the three of us became the smoking crew and we were, we get to know each other. And there's no cameras out there 'cause the logo didn't do smoking on camera and no one talked. Did they do hard ice out there? - No. - Smokers, you know what? - We get, they try to get people to smoke and smokers get rewarded at every turn. - So that's, this is the, this is the double edged sword of the smoking, is that yes, you trade your life in for a wonderful social activity. - Sure. - So you would, you make friends, you make lifelong friends and then you die, of course, but it's, it's lifelong friends. That life is six months. - Yeah, lifelong, at the ripe old age of 48, they died of invisible. - Not too much dry queens from Florida smoking. I'm assuming it's on a different level. I'm assuming those bitches can put 'em away. - Mama, I can put 'em away too. - Right, it's a race. - Thank you, Xperia. - That's the real drag race. - Yeah, but it was honestly, if it was like nowadays, I'm thinking, you know, because smoking is back horribly, but it was, it was a, that's where the real, that's where the real, the realness happens. You know, 'cause we're not being, yeah, you're on an untucked, nothing's real on untucked. - Bravo, bravo, bravo. But like, yeah, you're not, when the camera's on you, you're not real, you can be as real as you try to be and if you're, if you can, you can actually try not to perform and you cannot be performing, but you're still on camera. - Right, you know, and so, you know. And so, yeah, I just, I loved getting to know them, 'cause we're so different, but I put, you know, they're great, I especially Roxy, so with this, this is like, we can still hear her voice. (laughing) And this is where Roxy and Phoebe, especially in ginger, they walk in doing something that I think is so ghost, which is to say, I'm here to prove a point. Can I tell you I took a note that this is really the redemption season. This is it. - The reason of everybody has a personal, everybody saw themselves on their season of television and wants to use this opportunity to pivot public perception, which I don't think is bad. It made for interesting viewing for me, because it makes me get invested. I'm like, is Fifi nice now? - Yeah. - Is Roxy different? Like, you're like, Katya, it's like, is she gonna get over her anxiety? Ginger, she almost won. Is she gonna win, and I don't mind that. I'm invested. - I don't mind it either, but what I do is from a psychological point of view, and just as a social, from a social point of view, it's more of a show not tell thing with sincerity. Like, you can say all you want on reality TV, but we're gonna look at what you do. - Right. - You know, 'cause if you come out swinging with the words that immediately sets you up for a comparison of like, okay, is she full of shit? Is she walking the walk after having talked a big talk? Like, whenever somebody comes up, I'm gonna win this challenge. It's like, girl, they're going home. And you also have to be careful about, okay, I learned this from, I don't even wanna say who, but I learned this from somebody in reality TV, and it's conty. If you think someone's jealous of you, you don't sit in an interview chair and say, she's jealous of me. You sit at the chair and go, I don't know why she acted like that. - Bam. - You let the audience at home decide their jealous. - Like, so this is, you look crazy. - You look jealous. - And also you say, you're like, okay, well, this person now is, so it's like, I'm not gonna kill you. Why would you say that? Now, all I can think about is you killing me, right? But you might not be a murderer, but now I'm all thinking about you being a murderer. There was this woman. She pulled up in a car out front of my house and Brandon saw her out there in her car, and she said to Brandon, don't worry, I'm not gonna whip out my dick or anything. Now, what are you thinking about? But Brandon was like, I didn't walk out here thinking you were gonna do that. - Yeah. - But now that I notice that you're saying, don't worry, I'm not gonna show my dick or anything. - Yeah. - What you got for the good? When I was like, yeah, what kind of suspicious? - Yeah, it is, yeah. A person who wasn't gonna show their dick might not have said that at all. - Yeah. - So, and now this is all, now again, nobody forces you to say anything. You are definitely encouraged to say things. And if you want to say, I mean, the more that you talk, the happier the producers will be. Because the, and the more you talk about that the even ecstatic producer will be, because they got more to build a story. And of course, they're looking for story beats, and they're, it is all edited after the fact. The stories created after, but they have, they have got an agenda for sure. They don't have a rigid one where I always think that, like you've given the production company way too much credit. You think they got winners planning all this stuff for you? Like, anybody got, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because they want the most watchable people, they want the most volatile people, they want the most, because the only thing that's, it is the kiss of death and reality is boring. - Yeah. - Big, boring and mid is the kiss of death. They want spectacular, they want devastating. They want a fail or they want to success. Nothing in the middle. - Right. - We're 40 minutes in and we're just at the entrance look. So let's keep it rolling. - Okay. - Damn. - So we get, we get the reading. You know what? - What? - No, go. - We get the reading challenge. - Yeah. - Did you know who's gonna be there? Just know what you're gonna talk about. - Yeah, we got a whole list of, we got a list of like 35 people. It was crazy long. - What? - I think you were on it. - For you. - In fact, I know you were on it. - Why are they being so secret of the day before? - I don't know. - 'Cause they don't want you to know who's gonna be there. - You were on it. I think Robbie Turner was on it. There's a whole bunch of people. So many people. Being a delight. Everybody was on it. Everybody was on it. - Everybody was on it. - You played it at night with your scroll, ready to read some of every person that ever lived. - I, yeah. And the reads were so bad. - I disagree. - Really? - I mean, the bus stop one was pretty devastating. - But it's not really a read. It's more of like a roast. - And with no punch line. - What I did like about it was that you said it, delivered it like you were actively sorry for saying it, which made me laugh. - I was, I was like, it was like the bus stop. - Yeah. - It was like you knew in the moment that you were like, "Hey." - Yeah. - What are you doing? - It was like apologetic. - I mean, I just better. So it was like, oh no, that's true. - Yeah, just better. She's fine. But I thought it was way too far. So I did apologize. - I love when someone calls detoxiness delight. - Yeah, yeah. The mother goose really is, I mean, she went down the line too. I don't even remember. I don't even think they showed one clip of me being read. - Why didn't? - They didn't. - No. - I never got read in the episode. What do they, what did she say? You can Alaska. - Alaska. - You can see Katya. - I bet you can see Katya from your bag. Yard. - What? - Because it was, now there's some smelling. - Sarah Palin. - Sarah Palin was. - No, because Sarah Palin was on the news cycle, talking about how, remember Tina feels like, and I can see her from, I can see Russia from my house. - I do know the reference. - Okay, so that, but still, that makes no sense. - Makes no sense. - There's no Sarah Palin. - Is Alaska Sarah Palin? - Yeah. - Are you Russia? - Right, it's so crazy. Yeah, it's so crazy. Also it's like, but she's, anyways, also fish, red fish, blue fish. It's like very Dr. Seuss. - But no rhythm or, it's not even funny. It's so crazy. Also, Alaska's intro took five long minutes. Five long, interminable minutes. - What do you mean more? - For, for umbrella? - At the entrance? - Oh. - Five long, she was doing Moby Dick. - I did like the plastic bag look. - Oh no, she make them. - Her looks amazing. - Her makeup is amazing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - She looks really beautiful. - She look great. - I like your out of drag look. - You have so much hair. - I know, I wrote, I wrote, we were given a long list. My darling, dear, I can't stand it when you're near. - Yeah, Alaska, I'm sure. - I'm sure, Katya can see you from her back. - Y'all. - Like, what? (laughs) - What is that? - It's Conti, it's Conti. Coco, Coco, team Coco. Love to listen to this reads, oh, I thought she had the best reads. - She was like, monsters and got it, run it. - Run it. - Heal a monster. - Bees. - Perfect. - Just go boop boop boop boop. - She's a fun guy. - She knows how to be an entertainer within the time constraints. She knows how to keep it snap, to keep it moving. - And she gives us boost, which is amazing. - So great. - Oh, so good. De-dragging, I have hair. - Thin villainous lips. - Gorgeous blonde hair. - No. - Oh, you just don't have lip. (laughs) Where's my camera? - Codal. Codal. (clapping) - It's right there. - No, that was, I mean, that's your lips. - That's your face. - That's your face. - You know what I love? This happens, I think, in the next episode. But they go, all right, give us a top of the day sound bite. - Yeah. - And you're like, I hate the sound of the day sound bites. - It's so bad. - I'm feeling sexy and you're feeling grateful. (laughs) I'm gonna take the crown and then they all walk in. Remember this day. Like energy, big energy. You're like, fuck off. - But I also hate that. I hate when the girls walk in holding hands and someone hits a pose and says, like, "New day, let's get fierce." Do you know that they, if I was in there? - I hate it. - Katniss Everdeen. But like, I would be taking these people out. - Can you show it as a camera one? Be like, what if, I would have the one that those headphones on. Is it, what did she say? - Yeah, I don't like that. (laughs) - Ow. - Face full. You're done. You're done. You pissed me off. - I would be, I would be like, energy. - Face full acid. - Face full acid. So, okay, Rulik's stunning. I love these red blondes and mixed blondes. I thought they were in the running. Perfect, shape, perfect, volume, perfect hair. - I also have to say, I know we're running a little over, but I also have to say, this is the introduction of these all-stervous rules at all. So, RuPaul, it's a two-bit bait and switch. RuPaul, first test says to you guys, there's no emissions. - There's no emissions. - And I'm assuming that means you guys think that no one's going home. - I thought it meant we're going to get points. I was like, I was like, thank God. We're just going to get points. And then Alaska will probably get the most points and she'll win, and then we'll all go home and we'll have our dignity. - What was your thoughts also on getting $10,000 if you win the lip sync? - I didn't care about the money because I was making money. I was like, yeah, that's great. But it's like, money there doesn't even make sense. - It doesn't feel real. - It doesn't feel real and it's not real. And plus, we had just, I had just been traveling. And yeah, at that point, I'm not making that much money. But I've got, I probably have $15,000 in cash in my bag. It's something you have to remember too. - Do you mean like none of us are ever there for the prize money? - No, this is not a huge risk. - None of us want to do this. - I'm not saying we don't want to make money after. None of us are there. Our priority is not $100,000. - No, it's just not. - It's not. The money is also, it's so pitifully. Like, not to be gauche, but at this point, if you're going, if you're a successful drag queen from drag race and you're going back to all stars after, several years after your season, and you've been working and building a career, you're losing money by being there. If you make it a long time sometimes, because you're not making $100,000, which after taxes is only like 50. And then you're forfeiting, you could be forfeiting $50,000. - You could be losing months of gigs. - Months of gigs. And then also, all all, spending $100,000 on costumes. - Which you didn't. - I didn't know that's clear. - And that's clear. - I did not, I did not. Now let's talk about my eye-popping talent show number look. - Okay, I just, okay, I'm not even joking because I, sorry, I don't care. We can go down the talent show real quick and easy. - Okay, yeah, dirty. - Rupal's astounding to look at. - Love her, this is love it. Astounding. - Jury, hair, gown, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful no notes. Raven Simone, guess judge. - The look is not the tea. - I like it. - You'd like that blue lipstick. - I mean, I'm glad she's swinging for the fences. - She swung. - It's did, did, did, did, did, did, did. - And she got some bar wire over the fence. - Yeah. - I like the hair with all the jewelry in it. - I hate the whole look. - Yeah, but it's gonna be good for her. It's gonna be big. - So let's go down the line. - Okay. - Adores first. - Yeah. - Ruff. - Ruff to start. At the time, I remember thinking I was like, I thought she sounded great. I thought she looked great. - She is a great singer. - Yeah. But starting with that ballad that has not one ounce of humor, not one ounce, it's like, it's nobody knows it. Nobody's heard it before. It's a ballad. It just made no sense at the top of the fence. the show. Yeah. So I understand their critiques. I do think they were so mean to her and they were even more mean without unedited version. They were absolutely honest. That Horkin saying. She can sing. She's very, very well. But Mary, the critique was rough because we were all watching. We didn't go to untucked. Right. We're on the back. No, first of all, so then she told, before the talent touch, she tells us that we're going to be sending each other home. That's right. She's, is it before or after? It's, it's before. Yes. And then Alyssa gives us that looks straight to Camel, which I love. Yeah. She's saying she had her home. And it had never been done. At least when I did all stars, I had prior conception of that. What a crazy thing to be surprised with. Yeah. Like it was, it was a on, you know, how sometimes at this point in the show, when they, they drop a bomb, you're like, Oh, God, this was a genuine shock. Your system hasn't even thought about that as a what if genuine shock. Yeah. Because I'm watching it being like, you guys have no idea. You're in real time finding out the rules that basically become the all-star schools. And it was fucking growing. Kudos to the fucking production team because they really, I think consistently almost every episode, maybe every episode, yanked it off. Yeah. Yanked it off. The eliminations are shocking every time this season. Shocking time. And everybody's got a point of you. Everybody has a backstory that's not forced really, even with their existing relationship. Hello. Yeah. Like access to grind, points to prove, um, reputations to rehabilitate and also just talented show and also knowledge of like after this, when I say that person out in the world again, how does this affect that real life relationship? And it really does. And it really does. This was a big, everybody came out of the season, a different person. Yeah. Everybody. Well, everybody got a lot of plastic surgery. Rupal makes everyone get plastic. Yeah. So, um, Alyssa eats, we're down, okay, talent show, a door. Alyssa, cut tea. It's hate the outfit. Hate the outfit. Hate the outfit. Also love the puppet. Love the puppet. Love the dancing. Love the whole thing. But Mary, why not just a whole leotard with the things dangling? Yeah. It needs to be the black panty with the visible stomach. It was just, it was just not the best outfit. It could have been these days. It would have, she would have came out there with the more complete, unassailable dance costume, that would be so kind. She killed it. Love the puppet. Talk, it was a starting talking to a puppet of Rupal in front of Rupal like work. Work. Work. And all lips synced also recorded. It introduces you to the audience. Yeah. Introduces. Yeah. It was just, I thought it was amazing. She's great. Um, Coco Jesus Christ. It was, I wrote, can we see icons? Cause I want to say, what was it really like in the room? So we're on the side there. As, as now everybody does in the talent show, they're the peanut gallery, right? And we're watching. I'm like, so I was like in my, so as a competitor, when you see somebody in a, when you get to watch the other challenges, sometimes you don't get to do that. When you do get to see people flop, you don't want them to flop, but you do want them to flop because their flop is your success, right? It's a, it's a ladder. It's an organ. It's a, it's a, it's an, it's an organization of, I got two competing storylines in my head. I'm like, what is ha, what in the David Lynch is happening right now? What in the Barton Fink fucking Cohen brother is bizarre post like modern, what is happening? Like what is actually happening? Cause all I know about Coco, my trees is that she's an incredible lip singer. Electrified and extremely tiny. I don't know people know Coco, my trees are tiny. 80 times, two tiny, like she's tiny. She's tiny. She's tiny. And I'm like, what? And she's an incredible, I'm not going home. She's an incredible face tuner. Like I'm not joking. No, no, I think digital artists is what you mean. Her and Sammy Landry from, from, from, from Canter's Drag Race. Those are my retutters. That's who I want to do in photos. Body for Sammy does the body. Coco does the face. It's incredible. Coco, she snatches in her waist by way of stretching her hand work. The, it's a reason because the part of the foot behind her is now dipped. Oh, girl, it's incredible. Yeah. I love it detox. She only did it once. So we ran through all, we ran through all these things. So baby, why have one, we can have two twice the price. Coco did it twice. You have to realize that as if we go back to a glimmerzone in airways, I didn't flop once. I flop twice. She flops twice. And the second time is almost more surreal because you're like, you're like, you're like, what did I just see? What did I just see? Is like, did I just see that? I'm actually not even sure. Oh, I did it. Can I tell you, but I'm watching? I watched this episode with Mr. Wonderful. And by the way, somebody told me to not call him blanket because it's retraumatizing blanket Jackson. And that's tea. So now it's Mr. Wonderful. Mr. Wonderful. But Mr. Wonderful said, it's the only one I would watch again and immediately rewind it and watch again. Coco. Yes. Yeah. Because it's like, you are like, what? What? We'll hold on a second. Hold on. Yeah. Wait. What? And so good and bad is one thing, remember watchability, memorable iconography. I could not, there's other levels that have nothing to do with good. No, no, no, no, memorability. I'm wrong. I'm curious. And I'm here to make it clear. Like, yeah, I know you love me. Do want to do what? Like, there's some things are who cares? It's good. And it's like, it's like in this, the cardinal sin in the snatch game is trying to sacrifice thing, um, memorability for accuracy. Right. Like, you don't care. We don't care. Do you laugh? Is it funny? Is it memorable? Right. We don't care about accurate. Fuck cares about accurate. Anyways, well, Shikari Wilson would never say that. Like, yeah, no bitch. Exactly. That's a good drag. That's a good snatch game. With the nails on the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just take off running. Yeah. Parking lot. And didn't she get in trouble for marijuana? Love. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got ginger. Uh, wait, no, we had a bad detox. Oh, I love detoxes talent. I love detoxes talent. Yeah. It's just funny that there's a detox talent singing. And they cut to her fingering her such a paint. Like, by the way, it is singing. But it's just funny that it's, it's mostly like, like, like stripping and like sexy moves. Like, it's like, it's like, it's, it's our, it's, they could have said detox talent sex. Sex. And I would have been like, sure. It's just that it's singing. And she's like, paints, uh, uh, thing paintings with his hard dick. It's very that it's yarn out of the pussy. Like, like, knitting. It's performance art. It's currently steam and interior scroll. But I love that they call it singing because it is, but it's fucking funny. Yeah. And then we got ginger, bad song, bad outfit. Ginger is a great singer. The song is so whatever. It's so forgettable. Yeah. It's so forgettable. You don't want it. It's so it's, it's corny. I hate the outfit. Hate the way. Yeah. I hate the makeup. It's a big flop. I'm so excited to not be on up for elimination or on the main stage because there are a couple of indefensible parts features of my outfit. What are you talking about? I'm just talking about the floodwater. Um, the, the length of the, the casut in the ballet flats. The no nails. The no nails is crazy. The no nails is crazy because not even a short, active oval, nothing because I'm not doing anything that is I'm not. Mr. Wonderful goes, where are nails? Thank you. She's doing a handstand, like Lerlib. No, no, no. Love the hair, love this crunchy. I love this crunchy. Love the jacket take off. Yeah. Also, my main notice, can you do any of this still? No, because it was amazing. I was thinking, I mean, it's very level one gymnastics. The press. No, the press is very impressive. So one thing they didn't really, I tried to do a different version of the press and I couldn't get up. I was astounded with the back bend and the walk. Yeah, I was in pretty good shape with a handstand with the legs, like this around, like, if that's very, nobody else can do it. No, that's very, yeah. I was like, okay, so my talent is basically one move. I'm to be honest, like everybody, holistic and do a split, somebody else could probably do a back bend. Nobody can do a press handstand. So I thought it was a press handstand. So what presses when you, when I go, when I lift, when I float into a handstand and hold it, that's a press. Yeah. That is very, very, very difficult. Not, you have to be so strong. I remember when you could do all this. So I was watching it going, I wonder if she can do any of this. Girl, I did a handstand against the wall. I was fell down, work fierce legs broken. Yeah, like Fifi. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. This is really rough. And now, I remember it not being so rough in the room, but while we watch the wig, the white hearted wig. Oh, it was just in the makeup is horrible and the skin is horrible. Oh, it was such a mess. And the tights don't match her body. It was such a mess. It was such a big, big flop. And listen, I have flopped many times on camera big time, big, I flopped. It's also like a boogie boogie number. I don't like that. It's like, let's look up to pace. Where's the mom? Number five playing. It's, we're not like a little bit of Monica. It is that a little bit of Sandra in the sun. Where's the beat? Yeah, sorry. Yeah, it's hard. And you know what? Ginger makes me a beat. Ginger makes a good point. Like even for great singers, you don't sing a capella's heart. A capella, you know what? A capella is because you got somebody doing do a do a girl. Yes, of course, that's the question. I have a question. Did you have any alternatives for your talent show? Like we're if you can do it, oh, so they did reach out to us before we did because they were floating. They were workshopping the talent show idea. Interesting. We have a voice note from one of the contestants on her talent show that talks about this very aspect. Let's play that part. I'm excited. It's very long. Hey, guys, it's Tatiana. Long time listen to our first time caller. So you guys wanted to hear about the same parts from the first episode of All Stars 2. I'll start by saying that I wrote the same parts when I was, I think, 16 or 17. It was not called the same parts. It was called something else that I cannot say on here. But I actually worked on my talent show. I had something completely different planned, but it already had that like copyright-free music for the background. And literally the night before they could did the talent show, I was like, I don't think what I have planned is going to work. So in the hotel I was like, "If I take this music and I take this ridiculous poem, rap that I wrote 10 years prior, if I slow it down, maybe I can do something with that." So that's what I ended up doing. And I remember on the day of I only rehearsed it in the hotel and in the shower that morning. When we did a staging, like blocking run through before we actually filmed, they like maked me up. And all I did was block myself. I didn't actually say anything into the microphone, which made the producers like annoyed. They're like, "Are you going to say anything?" I'm like, "I'll say it when I do it." Because I'm someone who it's, I'd rather just do what I know I'm going to do rather than rehearse in front of people. So when I do the same parts performance, it's the first time that I actually did it in front of anybody. So that was interesting, but it went well. I will say I was surprised that I was like, I thought it was going to get me safe. I did not think I was going to be like one of the top two. So that was super cool. But yeah, that's the story of the same parts. And then we obviously filmed that, wrapped. I ended up working with Michelle prior to All Stars airing at all. She was working in DC at the club that I was working at the time. Town. And she's like, "I hope that you plan on releasing that as a song." And I was like, "I didn't really think about that." And she's like, "You'd be idiot if you don't do that." So go do that. And I was like, "Okay." So I, it was Michelle. Or she put the idea in my head. I would do it. I would report. That's actually released. So I got with two amazing producers, Mark Berry and DJ Mad Science. And they produced the same parts, the dance track. So, so good. And the rest is history. That's all the info I have on the same parts. But love you guys. Talk to you later. Bye. Thanks, talk to you on it. That was, and I had the rest of the history. And I certainly made my mortgage payment running around town doing that song. I called it this morning. We were talking about something elsework related. And something about same parts. And she said, "Well, you know, I owe you guys." She said, "Because without Katya, I don't know if the song would ever done so well." I said, "Yeah, isn't she kind of like your music publicist?" She said, "Basically." But I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So I had asked her what she planned on doing. And you know, I would talk to Alaska briefly in the workroom who I kind of found irritating because she was always doing a stick. But Tatya and I was really excited to get to know because she's very real. She's very chill. And she reminds you of me. Yes. Very youthful. So pretty. Yeah. So beautiful teeth. And she was like talking about this thing. She's like, I think I'm going to do a spoken word thing. I'm like, "Girl, it's like good luck." I thought she's like, she's insane. She's literally insane. She's going to go, she's getting chopped right off the bat. And then she did that. I was like, it was by far my favorite number. Oh, we've been watching it by far. She also performed it with so much conviction. Convicted. She committed to the bit. And the fact that she's that was her first time. This is the first time she's done it actually is like mind blowing. Also, she won with me. I mean, fresh out of art school kind of. I was like, not fresh. 10 years. The music cracked me up. Well, this piece is called this piece. That's when she won for me. This piece was a meeting. When the book cut. This piece. Oh, yeah, yeah, no. Oh, is this yours? Oh, my God. It's on the screen. It might be bugged. That scared me. I thought it was, I was like, what? Well, can I say, we also skipped over a couple. We did skip over. I mean, she's by far the best. It's one of the best drag numbers I've ever seen on Drag Race. We have Roxy. I only rewatching this. Did I realize the wig reveal is a callback to her own wig reveal. And she, the only thing I didn't love, loved, loved, loved, which I thought this number was spectacular, spectacular. She's so pretty. It's just that weird horizontal line of brighter on her panties. That's the only, I mean, the tiniest little quibble I have this outfit, which is perfect. And she looks so incredible. Once the fans come out, I go, you better work you fucking more. And she's just so, I mean, she is such a fabulous entertainer. She really isn't. She just looks great. I love Roxy. Excellent. I really love her. I love the whole number. Yeah, the number is great. This is a great Alaska number too. It's perfect. And then a Tantiana with the with the ninth inning shocker. She's incredible. To go last and come out in the bowl cut and serve all you bitches like yeah, incredible. And then also them having them just they're perfectly suited perfectly Yin Yang coordinated for a lip sink. Yeah, Huntie. Yeah, this is where Adora gets thrown against the wall by Simone and Visage. The oh my gosh, really aggressive. Yeah, I think I think at this point, it's a whole again. It's like we we're very like through the whole season was like, you guys are the best. I wanted you all here. We really felt honored and we felt very flattered. Yeah, we've really felt flattered. Like we're like, oh yeah, we really felt like somebody and she she was always having a blast the whole season. And we felt like, oh my god, like yeah, no, we kind of are great. And then so I think they were they were kind of looking for where's the bar for the critiques. And they just went too much on the first episode. They just went too much. They went too far. Can I split the difference, which is not had been a judge. I do feel like what are you what are you doing if you're not critiquing? Your job is to help people by critiquing. You don't need to be mean though. Yes. So I understand, I also understand you sign up to be critiqued. Yeah. Yeah. And also was it a door's best look ever? No. No. Was it a door's best performance? No. No. No. No. And so the bar is only high because you also all are so good. Yeah. And you're really and then and then people you're you're performing not for strangers. So they're they're evaluating you against you. Yeah. And a door's headspace too. Like I know a door a little this is a different headspace than I think a door is in now. A door seemed in this what we're going to get in the next episode. But a door seemed a little raw for this all to be happening. Yeah. And she and her really hard. Yeah. And I know she's not one of the girls in a way. Like she's not a she's a star. Yeah. Like at this time I don't think kids today know like a door was a crossover pops like pop star. Yeah. She's a singer. She's a girl. She's like she just I never thought of her as anything other than a singer in a girl. Yeah. Before she transitioned to right. Yeah. Yeah. Which was like she plays by the rules. She's nice. She's she takes she's like lives in this fashion world of like a female singer to me. Yeah. And then I mean a brunch singer. I'm not happy. She's in the bottom. But no. I'm happy we get I don't belong here. Yeah. It's so awesome. Yeah. It's like I know it's horrible to watch someone go through something. Yeah. I love it. But as a viewer, I'm watching it. Like again. Clipping back. I will be putting that on Twitter. Shock again. So many times in my life, I'm going. I don't belong here. Like at the doctor's office. At the preschool picking up my my son. I'm in a door fan. It's just something. It's hard to watch so many really cry. This is spoiler alert. This is the crying season. Yeah. A lot of crying. Crying every episode from multiple people. I didn't cry the whole time. That's not true. Oh, I did. Next episode. I mean crying episode two. Did you think a door's drag was controversial? That's what they kept saying a controversial drag because it was like lower maintenance, I guess. Oh, listen, this is all this is all this this is for all the bricks and all the girls who are who are not doing the most in drag. I see you when I love you. No, a door like maybe I'm whatever. A door, honestly, I think usher's in what comes next in drag, which is this super that's polished. It's not the focus of drag in the queen's that come out personality over polished. Drag changes in a big way because of the door personality over polish, which I would I when I went on the road for a couple years after all star is doing personality over polish. Mary, I wore out this cheerleader outfit that someone gifted me as my main performance costume because I because I was very clear that people were not coming to see my step down the sequence t-shirt dress. This is Bonjour. Yeah, I was not I was not going on the road to do my step down number for Ms. Continental with my cocoa big of $75,000 down. You were and I was you were and I that's that was never me and I never felt insecure about it. People probably thought I should, but I was it was very that a door kind of paved that road for me. People talk about us now like that like nothing's changed. Excuse me. You in cocktail you just do your thing and people just love it. No, my favorite is people say you guys could just shit on camera and the girls eat it up. Well, Trump. I also wrote I love that RuPaul specifies RuPaul says you in $10,000 cash. She says it like she's going to come out there with a tray and count it out like a bank. This is where she debuts dollars. Yeah, $10,000 dollars cash. Yeah. Like she's going to come out there in front of you like a notary public at the bank in like 2040-4060 like with the ball. And this is also where they introduce the running gag of judges being bored during deliberation. Oh, I love it. You know, I would I would I think that that missed opportunity was watching is like, you know how they do the cash machines that count it. I think they should have had a cash machine that flung it at you in real time. Oh, yeah. That would have been really great. Rather than come from the ceiling or come they should have just put it in the like a dollar bills in the cash machine and it just they just flew right at you. Oh, you don't know which to be doing too serious. Do you think they've ever done the phone booth with the wind the the the grabbing the money. Yeah, we make up your makeup with the powder and everything. Absolutely. I don't know what I would come ready. Fly paper on the hands. To Scotch tape all over your face. Oh, can I cut you? Oh, So you just found out this day, this is how they're doing the eliminations. For you, when you're four hours of processing this, what is your point of view personally on how elimination should be done? 'Cause everybody has started to have different ages. - We came up with a consensus. I remember there was a, not a very rigid, but there was a penciled in group consensus that we were just gonna go with the judges critique, but also like what are we having? I think it was with our opinions and the opinions of the judges, all the information available with our own observation, who do we think is should go home? Like it was a more objective observable criteria. - With that challenge. Now it gets a little funky in the, because it wasn't cumulative. 'Cause I'm just wondering, 'cause us on season three and beyond, we also can decide how we wanna judge based on how we've seen all sorts to go. - Exactly, yeah. - Like you guys have no prior knowledge of like fan backlash for leaving someone like you know. - Yeah, well we're not, nobody's stupid in that area. And I think that in the future episode very soon, Alyssa will make a decision that's based more about what the fans will think of her than what is objectively, who is objectively the least strong in the challenge. - Are you trying to say? - Yeah, yeah. And I'm like great, but guess what? - That's also an asset. But I also think, I'm like, yeah. - I think if you win the challenge, you should be able to eliminate anyone based on, I just don't like you bitch. - Do whatever you want, you want the challenge. - You won the challenge. - You're too cheerful in the morning. I don't fuck with you. - And I have to wish you with, I'm eliminating you 'cause you're the best, and I wanna win. - I have no issue with that. - I love that actually. - Remember Naomi did it? - Yes. - Life's not fair. - I love, it's the best TV, and it's also really helpful for you. - Tee. - It's like, yeah, I don't wanna have to be like, I just wanna make fabulous TV, and I also wanna make it easier for myself to win. - Right. - Because something they don't really talk about is, I mean, we'll get there, but something they don't really talk about is sending someone home and ruining your career by pissing off fans that way. That's something they don't ever really talk about until later seasons. But that is something that you guys don't really like. - And it's a nebulous thing because it's also, again, this is Show Not Tell. - It's Show Not Tell. - These are things you don't say, like, I am a really great person. No, I'll believe it when I see it. - Yeah. - You know, like, and it's, you gotta make up some, you gotta spin a yarn or whatever. But you're like, how do you convince some of your good person by doing good things? - Right. - And 'cause you kinda wanna show people your girth and your cock, your huge cock. - You wanna show people the girth of your cock. Okay, I have a voice note from, wait, wait, wait, I have a mind. It's for another runway. I got a voice note from PV. - Oh, fierce. - Well, I think, and then who goes home? - Oh, wait, does anybody go home? - The lip sync is, take it off. - Oh, yeah. - The lip sync is take it off. - Take it off. - Shake it off. - Shake it off. - Take it off. - Take it off. - Take it off. - Take it off. - Oh, sorry. - It's a big hit in a million. - It's a big hit off. - It's a great lip sync. - Sure. - It's a great lip sync song. - Yeah. - It's great. - It's great. It's got a crescendo, whatever. - Sure. - I love this. And um, Roxy wins. - Yeah. - Coco goes home. Shout out to Coco. Shout out to Coco. Shout out to the art. Shout out to this. - It's fierce. - I can't wait to see what happens. - I know. - And stay tuned. - 'Cause it's really going down the next episode. - Well, if you're staying here on the pod with us next week, we're gonna go back to current events, you know, the 405. - Yeah. - But if you're following us over to the, - Yeah. - To the peace floor. - Then we're gonna be continued with episode 2345 and beyond. And I'm really excited because I just love this season. You guys, but this isn't a note to any of the girls out there who might be listening. This is the best season of drag race. The cast is horny. - Yeah. - Even us critiquing it, making fun of it. We're talking about the best fucking season of race. - Hey, can I, you know, let me very quickly wrap up a final thought. You know why I think it's the best season of drag race because this cast has not grown up watching drag race. - Oh. - But it's true though. I mean, I'm one of the, Tatiana's by far the youngest. And then it goes up to Alaska, who's maybe 30. I'm 32 or 33. I think I'm 34 here. And I'm, I'm not like, I'm maybe the, I think Coke was like, in her 40s. This is a very, not a young crowd. This is not a young crowd. Do you talk to us in her 30s? I think we're all, I think the age range skews like 30-ish. That's a great age for drag race. - Right. - And also it means that at this time means we were not cannibalizing drag lingo. We're not only, we're not, yes not. I mean, that is only starting to happen. - Right. - Alaska is parroting a laganja, but that's still very fresh at this point. That's really true. - That's really true. - Let's get all started. It was actually hysterical because it wasn't so played out yet. - And so many things that become drag race can and happen rigor morris. - Rigger morris. - Like so many things get invented. - Stunning old stuff. - Yeah. - This style of elimination. Like this, this, I remember watching this MTV and being like, and then the crystallizing of the drag lingo hadn't really been set in stone yet and it hadn't been that overplayed or played out. - Right. - Yeah. - So this is just your, I'm excited to watch. I'll see you soon. - Stay tuned. Stay tuned. - Right before you wrap, we have a surprise from you. - Oh my god, we got a surprise. It's from your friends at Outshine Popsicles. - Oh, yeah, out of here. Shut up. - Shout out to V&A for these. - Are these guys? - Yeah, there's actually a box. - Oh wow. - In the freezer, there's multiple boxes. - My soup, can I, can I trade you with strawberry? - There's multiple flavors in the freezer if you want. - Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I got immediately ungrateful. - Immediately. - Thank you, Outshine. That's Outshine. - Oh, thank you. - Then you teach us H-I-N-E. - And you factures coupon. You can stack them with the store circulars. - Oh, the circulars. - Oh, oh, oh, oh. - This is fierce girl. - That's just fine. - That's just fine. - It's hard to outshine. - This kind of gets, I flipped my car, I'm going to pass, turn open a Popsicle, I'm driving. (laughing) - I put it in my, I hold it between my legs and forget about it. Oh, Tangerine is my favorite. (laughing) You know what, Outshine? Pride month, you really slipped in here, huh? - Yeah, you really slipped in with no condo. - Right before July 1st, they showed up with this. - Yeah. - Smart move. - Smart move. - These are fierce, can we refrigerate them though? So we can eat them. - Yeah, please. - All right. - Cunti. - That's fierce girl. - Very Cunti, thank you, Outshine. There you go. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)