Tea By The Toast with Dave Portnoy: Wednesday, November 11th, 2026

♪ Good morning, girlies, it's the Tollos ♪ ♪ It's Jackson Claude and where your hoes ♪ ♪ It's your favorite show, the fast-five things you need to know ♪ ♪ We'll start your day off, swirly, it's the toast ♪ - It sound amazing. - Welcome back to The Tolls and Happy Wednesday. It is the humpiest hump day that's ever been. - Is it Wednesday? Because I don't know what day it is. - We've just sort of been like making news, podcasting daily, multiple times a day, that like, yeah, we don't know what day it is. Sorry, that's what business women go through. - We've been in a podcasting vortex, especially yesterday, and I have been in a call her daddy vortex, like I have fallen down a bull hole. - No. - It's everywhere. - It's all I think about, it's all I see. - I'm not scared even I've had this morning. - I was watching her on Emma Greed. We talked to Dave, our interview with Dave Portnoy, is at the end of this episode. - Let's talk about the fact that we announced yesterday that we were gonna have a guest. We posted this little teaser, like clearly, someone involved in the, you know, Sophia, call her daddy, Scandal. And when I tell you, like, are we so unsurious? Like the comments were like, "Oh, it's probably Margot. "Oh, it's definitely Ben in a wig." Like, "Hello, we are capable of greatness, you guys." - It's a new spritz flavor. - Right, like, no one was excited, even though, like, they were scared to get excited. - Yeah, because the trailer, like, if you look into the questions, there's pretty much only one person he could have been asking those questions, too. - It could have also been Milfunter. - Maybe, yes, Mooji Frick. - Yes, but it's Dave, people were like, "I feel like it's Dave, "but it's probably just Ben in a wig pretending to be Dave." Like, they also thought it was Nick Vile. - They also thought we were talking to an empty chair. - Which is something like us crazy people would do. But no, it literally is Dave Portnoy of "Bar Soul Fame," of "Call Her Daddy Fame." - L Press. - He came here, he hadn't read the book. And he actually, when we were, I think the book was it on Friday of last week, he DMed both us and the toast. And was like, "If you want me to separate fact "from fiction on your podcast from this book, "I'll be happy to do it." And we were like, well, we'd be happy to have you. He happens to be in Florida. So, like, we literally just met up yesterday in the car. - I'm proud. - He's very chill. Like, no publicist. I gave my phone number, like, no one else. I didn't meet an assistant. Nothing just came through. When his wine t-shirt sat down, drove himself home. Like, very chill, very relaxed. We had about like a 90, it's a really long episode. And of course, I would say 85% of it, 90% of it, is about "Call Her Daddy." You know, we do come from opposing camps. And of course, I had to talk to him about "Suit Man," like my boyfriend. And I feel like we just get to a little bit of resolution. But then, you know, he was on our show. We had to talk to him about a couple of other things, like, barely from somewhere else. And, you know, Brianna, chicken fry grace. Like, just a bunch of different things that we've chatted about him over the years. So, he was really nice. I was definitely like, afraid in the beginning. He's just like an intimidating figure. Yeah. And I thought he was, it was very like disarmament. He was just like a very regular island guy. Yeah. And he's another one who I think is honest. And he's telling you how Dave sees it. Right. And it was very interesting to compare like his recollection with Sofia's, see the similarities, see the differences. And like, where things fall apart. Yeah. It was an amazing episode. Like, I think you guys are really going to enjoy it. Especially, I think a lot of people are like getting reinvested in the Colorado scandal. People who like, it's sort of passed them by or now like getting invested in it all over again. And it was just very interesting to hear someone who was there. Someone who has personal interest in the matter. He really acknowledged his own biases, which I really appreciated. Like, he has this beef with Sofia that like, he will never see her side. A post call her daddy beef with Sofia where today he hates her. Her gods and has nothing to do with. It has nothing to do with the break up. So he can acknowledge it like a lot of what he says is through that lens. Yeah. So we try and go back to like a time before. Yeah. Like, I think he did a good job as much as he kind of compartmentalizing. Mm-hmm. The current hatred. Now, that would have been enough for an episode. It's 90 minutes, but dancing with the stars was on last night. And we have a couple of pop culture news to deliver. There might be a handful of people who aren't keeping up. Well, let's also just talk about the fact that how many eyeballs are going to be on this episode. Like, hi, I'm turnie. I'm Jack. We're sisters. We do a daily show. We were talking about pop culture and it's just like a hilarious way. That's very like sisterly, very unfiltered. And like, sorry, you're going to hear things here that like nobody else is saying. Like a hot dog is not a sandwich. No, we talk about real shit. Okay. We talk about real shit. And we take a lot of heat. And Dave Portney said we're the fairest of them all. He said we're the fairest girls on the internet. That's how many said. He said he just said he, like, he said he had a mirror on the wall. Who's the fairest of them all? The toast. His words, not ours. Because I was wondering. Like, obviously, I think, like, I think it was an amazing choice for him to come here. But this is my show. Of course, I would think that. And to hear his reasoning, it is true. I think if people can't really be impartial about him because he has this sort of like reputation and all this drama attached him. So people can't be impartial. So I think if he was going to go somewhere, I think he chose the perfect place. I think he did too. He's got a good picker. And he has got a good girlfriend. Yeah. He did his girlfriend, like, sort of, is the reason why he was here. It was very influential. Shout out to our friend. Shout out to the girlfriend. So let's dive in. We have stories. We have Dancing with the Stars recap. We have a little more news from the memoirs. From the memoirs of Sofia. So let's get into all of that. Nothing really to catch up with each other on. No, we literally podcasted all day long. Yeah. And then I'm podcasting again after this. Like it's just a podcast. Oh, my God. You're going to win a party. The streets are saying. Potty's here. The streets are saying that this interview with Dave Porno, like, should and could cement us the Golden Globe nom. I don't disagree. I don't disagree, but technically a qualifies for next year. So maybe-- No, not the episode would make us eligible. But like, we're about to be catapulted into a level of, like, success and fame that, like, you know, no one's really ever experienced the works that maybe Joe Rogan. And the voters are going to see that, you know? Yeah. That's true. They won't be able to ignore us. They must consider us. Yes. You must. Gun to your head. Consider us. So without further ado to ado, it is time for the fast-sized stories that you do need to know. And our first story, of course, is dancing with the stars recap. Danceoffs on Grammy Night brought the tough competition to quarter finals. So last night was Grammy Night on Dancing with the Stars. And I need to just say, I had a horrible experience watching the show last night. Completely agree. To the point that around 9.35, I was very tired and I turned it off and went to sleep. Yeah. I do have a little bit of a familiar feeling of having this slump from last year. But I think the difference is that last year, like, at this stage in the competition, there were still like so many stars on the show. So many famous people. Like, people were just dancing at an elite level. I felt this a little bit last week and then this week even more. I was so bored. First of all, none of these people are famous. Like, I don't even care about literally any of them. And it taught me on at least my favorite. Like, I actually don't even care anymore. Like, it's so repetitive. No one's really dancing like insane, except Jenna Johnson and spoiler alert. She got sent home. Imagine my shock. I was shocked. I was shocked. The Jenna Dewan. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Jenna Dewan got sent home last night. What? I turned off the show for five minutes. And that's what happened. Yeah. And I guess, you know, especially the way they did it, it was down to her in Tatiana. And to me, it was either Tatiana or Fabula going home. So when Fabula got called safe, I was like, okay, well, Tatiana is obviously going home. So it's Tatiana. And then the best couple who keeps getting perfect scores. The couple going home is Jenna and Val. Shock. Do you think it had to do with like, not her scores last night? Because her score and she won the Chacha off or what? She's gotten herself in some hot water this week. She got herself in some hot water this week. But I think that the elimination had to do with like, people's real dislike for Val. And like, the fans not vote. I think they had not a vote. Because she also like, doesn't have a lot of fans herself. And I don't think the show has been good. I don't think she doesn't have like a passionate fan. No, voting for me. And I think some people come on the show like Tatiana. Who don't have like huge hordes of people who are going to be voting every week. And Sully, but truly like, there's Tatiana nation now. Yeah, you're a part of it. Jenna did not do that successfully. And I think they have a lot of factors against them. Because like, there's just politics within the dancer community that I'm not familiar with. But people are like, Val, I think you always get good pros. Like, he's like a NEPO brother, whatever. They say that about everyone. Yes, stay winning. So like, between the both of them, they were really, I think, garnering just good scores. And now that there's really so many people left, like, I think they have like literally no votes. I wonder. It doesn't really make sense. Maybe if I watched your rest of the episode, I would have been like, no, it seemed shocking. So maybe it's about the social media stuff this week. Well, yeah, Jenna Dewan like posted like a truly like nude video of her toddler girl. Not that it matters. It was a girl or boy. Or a trial. Which is just like, I didn't see the video. I've just heard not. I don't know if it was an accident. It was the girl in the back. Oh, I don't know. I didn't see the video either. I think it was just like like a technique in a completely technical world. Like a video of like a kid dancing is not like a baby dancing naked. It's like not sexual or gross. Like, it should be totally fine. But the world we live in is sick. And you didn't more on it on the internet. And like anyone who does it like I genuinely, I questioned your judgment deeply. Yeah. I didn't see it getting blown up that big. It was like very much like on the stand Twitter. And if I hadn't been like scrolling that day, I probably would have missed it. Um, so maybe that played a small factor in it. I just think like there are so few people left. And like the amount of people on the chopping block is fewer and fewer. Like honestly, I don't even know if fibula is technically even on it anymore. You know? Yeah, I saw his dance last night. Riley was amazing. Riley is amazing. Like I saw fibula's dance and Riley was amazing. That's what I always say about the guys. He literally just, she was doing the most as a fresh. Just sort of like transcends what I think to be like the stereotype of men not needing to do much on the show. Because what he's doing is so impressive and like very layered. But I said that about Dylan Efron too. Like I'm. I'm just not impressed by it. Yeah, and I'm not sure if this isn't a great group of dancers, or if the Argentine tango is just not pleasant to watch. Well, I watch Sharna do it with I think Brandon, and I loved it when it's done properly. It's like just, what did he keep? I didn't even notice the leg. Like a horse, like, when it's done properly, like, you barely, it's like a flick. These people were making such a mountain out of it. Like, it was really bad. Everyone, like, I was just so over this episode. I was so bored. I don't even need to go through the dancers. Like, they were all mad. Nobody was able to do it. Actually, Amber and Pasha, they danced to "Weekly." Yes. Oh my God, it was so good. What, I didn't know I needed a pasta dobley to wake me up. One thing about me is, like, it's true. And I agree with you. Like, I will always champion Evan Essence. Yeah, it was Ben, okay. And we came to the room, as it's starting. He was like, I love this song. It was like, I feel like moshing. You know, Brian Kelly follows Evan Essence around on tour. And apparently, they still perform, like, all the time, and they're amazing. We should go. Evan Essence at the sphere. When? But just play that one song. As for Stan, like, didn't do the most for me. It was bad. Jenna's was good, but she was dancing jazz. It just, it didn't look difficult for her. What song did she dance? Janne Jackson. Oh, the girls at the party. And also, that is one of my top 10 songs. That's a heaven song. Nice jacket, all right. 'Cause I'm gonna have to bat tonight. How about you guys at the party? Look at that bunnies, and look at Evan. Check. Three, two, one. Check. Such a good song. And then, I think Janet thought she was recording a video for Jenna to watch in private. 'Cause she was like, "Let's get lunch, I'm in LA." Or for Jenna to watch, like, before she danced. Because she wished her well on her dance after she danced. No, and she was, like, making plans with her on TV. She seemed her phone number. Honestly, it was huge gets for both Janet Jackson and Will I Am to be there? Oh, I know. It was you, Will I Am? She danced, talked to Janet Dance to Boom Boom Pow, and she explained that they had this relationship, 'cause it's time you had to went to Harvard. And while she was there, she, like, got Will I Am to, like, put together this, like, concert for the students or whatever, and so they're, like, best friends, and so that. And I thought she was over exaggerating their friendship, but then he showed up, like, in person, not even setting a video, like, he showed up. She's connected. She's connected. And sorry, I think it's moves like that that get you through over Jenna Johnson, honestly. Oh, I guess so. Yeah. Then we had Harry Shum and Jenna Johnson. Oh, my God, what was that rendition of "Tie With a Smile"? Jackie, first of all, that's the rendition from the Super Bowl. No, no, no, no, no, I loved the rendition from the Super Bowl. This was a mess. Jackie was a mess. A mess? Crying. When was he crying? In his package. I was thinking about something else. In his package. Jackie, in his package, he danced salsa, right? And he said he grew up in Costa Rica. And how, like, this salsa, which by the way, the salsa originated, like, in Cuba, not in Costa Rica. OK. Just saying, it's, like, bringing up a lot of feelings for him, like, he didn't expect it. And he started crying. And then, like, body rolling, like, it was just-- he didn't know how much he needed to salsa. Literally, he's like, I don't know how much he needed this. And the salsa healed him. That's, like, when you're feeling down and you have chips in salsa and it heals you. That's true. The salsa can be healing. I just feel like he wanted to, like, open up to the audience. And so he just, like, started crying. He said he had avoided doing salsa for so long, because it reminds him of a hard time in his childhood. So dancing the salsa to "Tie With a Smile" is bringing up a lot of emotions for him. And, like, I don't want to be mean. So, I'll just say nothing. I could not believe my ears hearing my favorite song butchered like that. And I know it's kind of just like the Super Bowl. They were trying to do what they did at the Super Bowl. And when we recap, the Super Bowl, I said, I love what they did with that day. I got the smile. Mariachi. My-- Super bleeding. How could they even follow the music? They literally sang "Tie With a Smile" and then they had salsa happening on the side. And the two did not mesh. You want to talk about ears bleeding? Marin Morris? I didn't make it to her. OK, so then they had live performances for the-- To fill the two hours, because God forbid, we get some time back. The episode could have been an hour. Because then they do, like, the high last week, they did the team dance, they did the dance. They did face-offs, like, so there were six couples left, everybody danced against another couple. And then they had live performers. So, Brandy, the boy is man. I actually loved that. And they sounded amazing. They performed. Then they had Marin Morris perform the middle for whoever was dancing. I don't remember. Honestly, it was Jackie. It was so distracting. It was some of the worst singing I've ever heard, period. It was William Hunk. It was pitchy. It was delayed. It was off-key. It was shocking. I wonder if she had a bad night, or can she not sing? I was shocked. It was so bad. And then Cheryl Crowe-- What'd she sing? Not the song I wanted her to sing. I'm going to soak up the sun. All I want to do is have some fun. She should have sang a better song. That was cute, actually. I liked the light. I like when celebrities come. I guess they had to sing Grammy songs. Of course. The whole thing was met, except I liked that Pasha and Dinyella danced against each other. And then at one point, their choreography, which were separate choreography. They just danced their own dance on the dance floor at the same time. They did choreograph their dances to meet at one point. And Ezra did a lift with Pasha. It was cute. Pasha? Yeah. And it was the whole thing was like Team USA. Because they're both USA Olympia. With Amber? No, with Pasha. He lifted Pasha. Like two men. I literally hated the episode. Yeah. Oh, and more as dance with Mark. I remember. Dance to thong, song and Argentine tango. Oh, yeah. She got 27 out of 30. Everyone got 27 out of 30. It feels like 27 was the lowest. Okay. But like, at least three people got it. Derek made a weird comment about having like sexual chemistry on the dance floor with your sister. Who had chemistry? So, Karian was commenting on, oh, who was it? Oh, it was Ezra and Dinyella. They were singing their package. They were like brother sister. Yeah. And this dance in particular is like very sexy. They were like, we feel weird. Like, they were talking about. Honestly, I appreciated the honesty. And Karian was talking about it. Like, you know, for your sibling, you guys had great sexual chemistry. And Derek goes, tell me about it. Funny. That is funny. I was bored. And I'm actually ready for the season to be over. I remember. It's holding me back now from my life. Yes. And I remember when the cast was announced. I felt it. And I saw people saying it. Then eventually I got over it. Just basically that this was sort of a lackluster cast. Yeah. No stars. No it girls. Yeah. That's how I feel. Yeah. Ezra is not famous. I love him. But he's not more than anything. And I love his mom. Amber is not famous. Mora is famous to me. Yeah. But not hugely famous. Jen and Harriya, I guess are famous. But in the way that no one cares. Jessica Alba. Jessica Alba sort of way. Taziana is not super famous. But I love her. Agreed. Connor Wood is not famous to me because I'm not on TikTok. He is famous. And by the way, TikTok is carrying him. I actually think he will make it to the finale, which is insane. Based on the fact that one of the number one people are out. Yeah. I think Tatianna will go home next. I, yeah. But Tatianna are me. Tatianna is more a slip-in. I forgot about Mora. Yeah. Mora is slip-in. She's having a hard time. Nothing's guaranteed. Especially now with Jenna. With Jenna, nothing's guaranteed. No, but the fan votes mean a lot. That's why Tatianna Nation is so important. And I'm a valued member. I did vote for her. I'm not even voting anymore. I felt so like picking up my phone was the hardest thing in the world. I was like, oh, but you know what? You were on it. Yeah, I was scrolling on it. Being a member of Tatianna Nation is a full-time job. Yeah. Our next race, a little more dancing with the stars news. Because we're on the street. It's had the secret lives. A Mormon wives star. Jen Affleck's estranged husband. Zach Affleck was a nightmare on the dancing with the stars set. Now, I'm going to read the report. This is page six. And then we can share her. Because she was there last night. She was there last night promoting secret lives. Mormon wives. Orange County. I don't know if anybody thinks they're like, she looked crazy. She was being crazy. Yes, she was just like, no, and she was like, no, fans don't crack me up. Because he asked, like, just a volleyball question. Like, how to like in the ocean. Yeah, how does he different than, you know, you don't. And she was like, well, there's lots of drama and lots of great girls. She was acting really crazy. Like, he was like, it's crazy. And you're like, I find just no idea. I don't give a fuck. He was like, sounds like. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. He just like does the most. I love him. And there's nothing to be said. It's true. You know, he just literally his job. No, no, no, he's delayed. Okay. So we the report. Okay. Jen Affleck's estranged husband, Zach Affleck was reportedly, quote, a nightmare on set while the star competed on Dancing with the stars last year. A production source has told the US Sun. The insider claimed that Zach, quote, didn't allow Jen's partner Jan Rovnik to, quote, "fully do his job and made things very uncomfortable." Quote, Jan was a total professional and dealt with it, but Zach was much more controlling than any other partner that season. Even crew members felt they had to tiptoe around him because he was constantly upset over something. Zach also reportedly barred Jen from doing certain dance moves and wearing specific costumes. He asserted his dominance and tried to dictate. Porriam was trying to do his job well as a first-time pro and he had a very stressful experience largely because of Zach. No, I want to go on records saying I don't believe a word of this for a multitude of reasons. One, like, I'd say that anybody in production would listen to Zach. Like, this is the biggest show on TV. If you're uncomfortable, like, seriously, we don't give a fuck. Like, especially, maybe the star, if Jen was uncomfortable, they would mate. But, sorry, like, the husband doesn't get a say. Also, we know that the husband was literally the one, like, actively child rearing during that time. And I just don't think when you have young kids, you also have time to police what your wife is wearing at her dance rehearsal. Like, I just, I find it not believable. And I also just find it really, like, convenient with the picture Jen is trying to paint of Zach in this divorce, that, like, he never changed. And he was always, like, really talk of the traditional controlling guy. Bye. this to me just reads like a page out of Jen's diary, especially because she's coming for his support of her on dancing with the stars when it's like, okay, you can make the argument that he doesn't support you. But we all saw you do dancing with the stars, him taking care of three children. So how do you explain that? And so she would say, no, he wasn't supportive. Let me take it a step further. Normalizing your partner, feeling a little bit weird about what goes on on dancing with the stars. We say this every week, it's very intimate and the clothes and the moves and the ass and the cross. I'm sure enough to admit, like, I'm not woman enough for it. Like if that was Ben and him and Sharna are twisted up in a pretzel, ending their dance with their faces so close up. People think that they kissed. I'm mad. And Sharna's half naked. Oh yeah, and one pound. I'm mad. I'm mad. And you have something to say about it. You need to get tape on this show because her watching Tyler do that while she's pregnant for the first time, very emotional, very vulnerable. She's a stronger woman than me. I'll tell you that. Yeah, so I think most people are fine with it. And that's great. But we always say, how do you not, it's a little bit strange. It's very intimate. A lot of pros and stars wind up falling in love because it sort of breeds this intimacy. Of course, it's unnatural. And even if they don't, you know, even if they're not like a Kim and a Robert, they have a fling. Everyone has a fling. Lenin. Right. Glebb and Brooks. So I don't think this is so crazy that he didn't love everything that was going on at the end of the stars. And also, when you cast the secret lives of Mormon wives and you gave them a show because they are Mormon wives and you love like fixating on their subculture and all of like their crazy rules. Don't be surprised when they come to your Hollywood set and they don't like the ass in the face and in the crotch. 100% and that's all assuming that this is true. And I'm saying, I don't even believe that it's true. And I'm saying if it's true, no big deal if true. And BD, no big deal. Honestly, relatable. Try again, Jen. Try, try, try, try again to move me. Yeah, we're like sort of immovable on this. The more I think about it. Yeah. No, I, I don't know. I've actually been thinking about like my confirmation bias. He's a lot since our conversation with Dave. Yeah. In the call her daddy situations, like I, I'm becoming aware of like my own bias, you know, and how I'm like reading things and hearing things. And I'm, I'm using them to explain what I already believe. And I feel like our conversation with him was really good because it just got me like thinking a little different. Even if I wind up ultimately believing what I already believed, like it's making me challenge my beliefs. Yes, I agree. When I left the conversation, I didn't leave even more sure of myself. I definitely felt like he made some good points. I think that he has a lot of loyalty to Alex and Alex has a lot of loyalty to him. And that's a really admirable quality. That's a positive thing that he sees in her and she sees in him. So I didn't really change my mind that much, but I feel like I softened a little bit and I'm open to other possibilities. Yes. And also you said something funny after the show because just as, like, not a spoiler, but we were talking about how Alex saw Sophie and how Sophia saw Alex and Sophia. I mean, I need to write this book. Yeah. So Sophia saw Alex as like her best friend and then we were sitting here and Claudia was like, and it sounds like Alex just saw Sophia as like her crack head roommate. And it really is like a psychological thriller, where it's like, that's why I keep saying psychological Alex is first half. It's like my crack head roommate. Right. And then here from the crack head roommate, it's like my roommate is telling everyone I'm going to crack head. And it's like, you don't know who's POV to believe because like these situations where it's like she spilled and drink. It's like, well, you pushed me. Like, we need somebody who's like an actually good writer needs to adapt this story into like a fiction that's not based in reality, but do it like a book that's two parts. Yeah, just like last Mrs. Parrish or whatever. Yeah. And the second and the second part, like totally challenges, but you thought in the first flashmins in trouble. I know you never watch that show. Somebody do this. Please, like, um, what's your name? Live Constantine. Yeah, because I was really starting to think about that yesterday. And that's where it's almost like both versions are the truth. I know. It's spooky to think about, honestly. It is spooky. Reality is just like not real. It's subjective. Yeah. However, it's objective. You know, I do know. So anyways, just thinking about my own biases. That's good. Are you ready for our next story? Oh, a little color daddy news. Alex are all quietly supports. Sophia Franklin's call her daddy. Tell all book amid her rift with Alex Cooper. So Alex are all did if anything. And she posted a video of herself reading the book and captioned it first time for everything because a couple weeks ago, she made news for having never read a book. Right. She said the last book she read was like Dr. Sue's cat in the hat. People were freaking out. It was like a trending viral audio sound. People couldn't free. Whatever. She had the opportunity to do the funniest thing. And she took it. And I love that. And what was with the soup and crackers? Was that another, like, some sort of Easter egg? She had a can of progresso soup and maybe she's sick. Oh, wait, was it a nap for progresso? I didn't see the soup. I was like, seriously, just focused on it. It's a can. I mean, this is cut off, but there's a can of soup and club crackers. Oh, she's just having a snack. It's not like centered and she eats canned soup for snack. That is crazy. She didn't even pour it in a bowl, but maybe it's not soup. Like, what else does progresso sell? Like, you know, they sell chili in a can. Oh, you know what I mean? Like, maybe it's like a, a chillant or something, you know? Yeah. But if she kept in the can, like how did she warm it? I do want to say something interesting that I'm seeing from this rollout is the amount of people like mostly women in the industry, whether it's like fellow tiktokers, podcasters, like all not like piling on, but like supporting Sophia, like just even if you open the comments of Alex Earl's video, people like really supporting Alex Earl. Oh, sure. I know. Sorry. I know you can't open the comments. I can't open the comments of Alex's videos. I saw like this big tiktok girl. What's her name? Ken reading the book. Like, I just think it's really interesting that like, and where was Ken in 2020? I think she was 12. Like, these are people who are, yeah. But okay, so Kelty. We like Kelty. We Kelty is what I record about Alex Kubriner. She has like her tinks. Tinks? Yeah. Julia Mervis. The um, he changed. Jake Shane's friends. Um, Ashton Earl, of course. Ashton Earl, of course. Stossie, baby. What did my girl actually say? Stossie, baby. Well, that's your best friend. Oh, right. Right. But Stossie, baby was on. Call her daddy. But what did Stossie say? A jiff. Oh, that's what? Michael B Jordan being like, that's fine. Yeah, no, but I just mean like, I've seen a lot of, um, and even like, oh, Michaela Matthews from the Seeker Lives of Mormon Wives. Um, Victoria Villaroel. Kylie X. Yeah, but but a close friend of Alex. Haley Bailey, that huge tiktok girl. What does she say? Oh my god. I just think a comment like is a sign of support. And I just think it's interesting that, um, even like I posted yesterday on my close friends, like we were having Dave on the show, just because I wanted to brag and I was excited. And like the amount of people who called me, I would never say hello, but like high profile influencers like calling me like, it's just very clear that I really don't want to be mean that like Alex has just not made a lot of inroads like with like other women in the industry. And you know what? You don't get to the top by being friends of everyone. I just want to say you don't know everyone in your friendship, but it is really interesting to see sort of like the amount of people supporting Sophia. And I think yes, they want a supporter, but also it's out of a dislike for Alex. Just interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. I've also been thinking a lot about, um, like the post call like what Alex did with call her daddy. You know what I mean after after call her daddy. Yeah. And the success of it. And it really can't be understated like because every like of course she had the vehicle. She has a handicap of a hundred when she has the show and the audience on her side. But so many people have had major moments and made maybe a year's worth of news about it. Max go nowhere like she's just stayed at the top the whole time. And maybe yeah, we can agree she's not a good friend. But what she's done really is impressive. Agreed. It reminds me of this annoying thing that people say like when they hate billionaires, it's like there's no such thing as an ethical billionaire. Like you sort of don't get to where Alex Cooper isn't has been for six years. You are a hundred percent, right? Without you know, stomping on some throats. And it's like we can hold space for both that like, I don't want to discredit her because now a lot of people are like going back and like Sophia was the funny one and she was absolutely and Dave says this too. But it's like well, if Sophia was the funny one and Milf Hunter was the one writing all the content. Why didn't their show because they did team up at some point. Why didn't their show become as big as call her daddy. Alex's skill set is not nothing. And it is beyond impressive what she was able to do with this moment. A lot of people have huge scale bring grace. Yeah. And don't even go nearly as far. So yeah, I don't want to discredit Alex's accomplishments because it's major. And also call her daddy could never be what it is today with the two of them because the show is completely different. If it wasn't also if it wasn't this fight, they were never making it. Yeah. But so I feel like people are like well, she had to like, you know, Sophia was a liability. She had to cut her loose in order to like take on the world in the way that she did, which is true. She wanted to do like this version of call her daddy. Like there's no room for Sophia in it. But I do think if they'd stayed together, you know, they'd be they could they would have still been huge. Of course, they would have grown with their audience. And they would have grown up and the show would have changed. And they would have gotten married and like talked about like wedding planning and a really funny. Yeah. Yeah. It was not always going to be this crazy sex show. Yeah. So it's not like it had to end in order for the call her daddy to be successful. But I just think like all those things are true. Yeah. Agreed. So yeah, Alex, I made a joke. That's the news. It was a good one. Oh, honey. Let me make a little joke. Some exciting holiday movie news. Prime videos clashing through the snow trailer. featuring Michelle Randolph and Christopher Briny has come out. You know him? Of course. The summer. Conrad. To all the boys. The summer I turn, printing. Yes, you got it. The summer I left all the boys. You got there. Yes, Conrad. The internet's boyfriend. And the internet's girlfriend, Michelle Randolph, are in a Christmas movie together called Clashing Through The Snow. Mark me down as watching this. Yeah, I ship. First of all, even though they're both an extremely happy stable, like positive relationship. Like I on screen ship. Yeah, I don't know why I feel like doing a Christmas movie is like solo brown. And these two are like kind of like high-powered actors. Like obviously the summer I turn pretty was who just also being made into a movie now. So he's working on that. She's in the Yellowstone Landman, whatever it's called. She's dating Glenn Powell. So she's just like sort of in a league of her own. And I'm not doing like a streamer Christmas movie. It must just be really paid well. I hope so. And he is like a prime-- He's on prime video contract, right? Because of the summer I turn pretty. So maybe he had to do this, but like she didn't. Also in the movie is Lucas Gage and Andrew Schultz with appearances from-- Andrew Schultz with appearances from Julia Fox and Paris Hilton. Sure. OK. Why not? Whatever. It's no fever pitch, but-- It sounds great. Yeah. I prefer my like corny holiday movies like Starless. Really? Hallmark. Like true like low-budget community theater affairs. Danica. Danica Patrick. Danica Mick Millen. Gracie Shibert. Gracie Shibert. Yeah, or has been. Not the Gracie Shibert. That has been a former-- That nice. A formerly famous woman. Is that nice? Actually insane that like of the Mean Girls, like the four of them, three out of four went on to become like major a-list. And like they were also like pretty doing well before they were cast in the movie. Rachel McAdams was. I feel like a menacee freed was totally unknown. Really? Lindsay Lohan, obviously. And Lisa Shibert, totally. Mm-hmm. And don't forget about Janice Ian doing the most. She stays consistently as a working actress in Hollywood. She did in Matthew Perry. She was in Fleishmans. That's how I was. She's in that show ever like ex-education. Six sex positions. She's in my favorite movie. Mean Girls? No. She's in my favorite movie, too. You know the one with the bridesmaids for Rebel Wilson's wedding. No. I think people don't even realize like that. It's her because she looks so different. She played this like really like golf teenager in Mean Girls. And she grew up to be this like very lovely, like very feminine looking woman. She doesn't even look like Janice Ian. You might not even know. It's called Bachelorette. You know it with an Isla Fisher and Kirsten Dunst. I've never seen this movie. Claudia, you're in for a treat. Really? Watch it tonight. Is that Zoe De Chanel at the top? No, that's Janice Ian. Oh, of course, duh. You guys, you have to watch Bachelorette, okay? Okay, toast movie of the day. Okay. And then our last story is just a sweet good news story. Nick's parents are going viral for choosing the name. Nick's. Oh, I'm like, Nick. Nick Vile? New York, Nick's. I'm cracking up, but you being one month late to this story. Oh, really? How many times I've tagged in the thing? It's from November 10th. It's November 11th. Jackie, this is what like over a month old? Maybe this person also just wrote it up. But I got tagged in this like a month ago. Okay, I was curious what it was going to be. So a mother who was expecting when the Nick's won the championship this year was inspired by the electricity that she felt in the air. And she decided to name her baby, Nixon. Last name or middle name, five. Nick's in five. And I got tagged in this. I just saw the name Nixon. I'm like, that's a cute name. I got tagged in this so many times. Nick's in five. Yeah. And the thing is like, yes, I am carrying a Nick's championship, baby. I think a lot of women who are pegging at this time are too. Like our husbands were so excited. So yes, Jalen is a name that comes to mind. Oh, G is a name that comes to mind. Nixon, five wasn't. What about Anthony for Carl Anthony? Love. Tony. Tony. I know there are lots of names we could choose from. This girl like really went above and beyond in terms of her creativity. She went above the end and she deserves free tickets. This baby deserves tickets for life for life. They don't have to be good seats or anything. And if your name that the nicks, like this, people such a big story. I can't believe you're just hearing about this now. I don't even know if the nicks reached out or anything. They absolutely should like bring the baby to the arena. If your name, if you walk through this world, being called Nick's in five, you get lifetime season tickets. They kind of agree. Except tickets now. There was a time where you actually could not give away Nick's season tickets. Like Ben's biggest regret is not buying them at that time. Because now, like even the worst seat in the house, you cannot get away with like. But for nicks and five, he deserves it free. Free bad seats. Who cares? But Nick's in five. I share a little bit. Nick's in five should always be able to go. Agreed. It's literally, by the way. This is like fever pitch. It means five. This kid's going to grow up being like the biggest nicks. Kind of every is not going to be able to hold on a relationship. It's going to like really get in the way of a lot of his like personal relationships. And she's spelled five with a Y. Yeah. Just funny. By this woman's funny. But I love the name Nixon. Richard. Like how come that's not a name? And the Nixon is spelled K-N-I-C-K-S-O-N. But that sounds like a name, you know? It does. It sounds like a name. It doesn't look like a name. It sort of does. Like why isn't that a name, you know? It is now. Hopefully this is a trend trend. Just to watch like the baby name list over the next couple of years. Nixon rising to the top. Nixon. So you at Nixon five. Hilarious. Nixon five software. It's a bit of a mouthful. Nixon software. That's beautiful. You could call him Nick. Like my favorite podcaster. Nick Vile. How's he doing? I don't know. Actually, I meant. I heard that he was going off. Yes. So I know Sofia called him out in the book for like not being. Briefly. It is brief. Yeah. That's why I like the book. And then I heard that yesterday I actually went to his Instagram to find a clip, but I couldn't find it. And I was like, not in the mood to watch a whole episode. But I think he like. Goes off on her a little bit. Mm-hmm. I need to watch that. Yeah. The girls are fighting. Everyone's fighting. We're not. No, we're actually doing as best as we can for conflict resolution. Now we have our interview with Dave Portnoy that we recorded yesterday. We hope that you enjoy. And I do think as much as people can come together, like we all did. Absolutely. And if you're new here, I hope you enjoy what you've seen. Make sure to follow the toast on Instagram. We go live with our podcast Monday through Friday on YouTube, Spotify. It's a daily podcast. So it's really like a companion. It's like a family. It is a family because we are family. Of course. But now you are family. Isn't that beautiful? You are our family. Enjoy the interview. It's a real, does Juzy mean bad? I don't know. And it's not as Juzy. It's actually, it's quite lovely. And it's very long. And it does get a little confrontational, like, and I'm not like a, a confrontational person. People think that I am just because I'm like loud and aggressive, but like, actually I would rather die. Like my butt was clenching a lot of the times. And I feel like I was trying to, like, hype myself up to, like, go at it with him a little bit because like I did disagree with him, especially on the suit man stuff. I feel like I did a good job, but like, it was really hard for me. Wait, because also the U.S. have heard what we've said about it over the years. So it's like when we're finally talking to him, why we're going to, you know, talking to the other side of our mouth. No, but like I could see, I'm the type of person. I'm not like a people pleaser, but like when people are talking to me, like, I just want to agree with them. Yeah. And I'm nodding so much. So in this, it was a story. I'm like, very well versed in. I'm kind of passionate about. So I feel like I really held my ground and I'm proud of myself. Yes. It was. It was fun. It was really fun. 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Obviously, you're here to talk about the tell-all of the year. - Yep. - Actually, the second tell-all of the year. 'Cause you also wrote quite a tell-all that we listened to this morning. - Yes. - Yes, we did. - Oh, you had it. - I had red parts of it, especially the call her daddy parts, but we needed to refresh. - Yeah, yeah. I actually went away over here. So I never, I think I've been doing bar stool 20-something years. I've never invited myself to be like, "Hey, I want to come on a podcast." This is one. - Oh, thank you. - Oh, my God. - We're so glad. - We're so glad. - The fact that I say no to almost everything to work. - Of course. - What made you want to come here today? - Well, I think you guys are pretty fair. And I knew this book would sort of like, everyone would be tagging me and sending me stuff. And I actually have tried as my best to avoid it, like the clips and things like that, because I just know myself. But I figured, I think what I say, I'll do factor fiction. Wasn't that pretty much what I said? - Yes, that's what I said. - And I have not read the book, but I have seen a ton of clips about it. And I know me, I'd have to talk about it. So rather than doing like a T-Bass, see whatever, it's like, all right, I'll-- - Yeah, we can get into it, 'cause we both just finished the book. I will say, I don't think you come off badly at all. I think you come off like Dave. I think she had some rather nice things to say. You're very genuine. Like you're pretty low-key. I think if you-- - You're the horrible boss. - I think if you read it, you would be pleasantly surprised. And I think whether your team, Sophia team, Alex or team Gabe, like we can understand your position as a boss. - Yes, dealing with talent and the contracts and everything that you were dealing with at the time. Like you have your own interests that are opposed to theirs. So like, I don't think that makes you the bad guy, right. - Now, can you just lay the land for us? At present, your relationship with both girls is-- - I have no relationship with Sophia, none. I hate her guts. - Okay. - Where did the hatred come in? - Well, it jumped ahead, but I mean-- - Yeah, jump ahead. But-- - When do you start hating her? - When she connected a girl who accused me of sexual assault in the business insider, which was a totally lie and made up. - She talks about that in the book. I was gonna ask you-- - She does talk about that. - She said, ask you if you knew that she was one of the people who spoke to business insider about you sharing some messages that you had received. - Yeah, 100%. - You knew that before? - Yeah, I've known that. - And she admits to that in the book. She said when she was like at war with you, people reached out to her. When the business insider reached out to her, she directed them that way. - Yeah, so I mean, she went through, when she was mad, she was ever for like a week or two straight on her Instagram story, was basically saying, if you have any dirt on day porn, I contact me to delete the story. She did that for two weeks straight. The one girl that I had a falling out with hooked up with ended up dating Milfunter Mouge. - Mouge? - She went on a podcast, this girl. She's like, well, yeah, they hooked me up with business insider. - Business insider. - So I know that's a star. - A reason why you hate. That makes sense. - Well, that's also the star person in the story. Like, it came from Sofia Franklin. No one's ever, like, there's no backstory to it. Hey, it's somebody who hated you. Got to made up a story. The girl, by the way, they use, is like on record as saying she's a pathological liar. And like, it's all lies. So yeah, I hate Sofia Franklin. - And you blame her largely for the article? - She played a, there's parts I still haven't been able to figure out, but she and Mouge played a gigantic part in that. - Oh, and you and Mouge also have a bad relationship? - Oh, yeah, he's trash. - And why do you say that? - He's absolute trash. So he, in so many different respects, he sat in my office and basically said they've, and this was all three of them. Can we swear on the show? - Yeah, of course. - He said her and Alex have fucked over every single person they've ever worked with. I hated Mouge. I told him to face Mouge, I don't trust you. I don't like you. I'm only hiring you because Alex is saying we have to. He then, during the Black Lives Matter controversy, quit bar stool and said we're all racist. He put out a tweet. He had been there for five minutes. We barely interacted with him. Our entire company hates his guts and hurting me. - So he was still working there when, call her daddy, dissolve, 'cause that was around the same time of BLM. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was still working. - But Alex, in the book, Alex had fired him. So when did he come back? - So essentially what happened? When they broke up, Mouge said he hated both girls. He's like, I can do, call her daddy without them. These two are totally replaced. - Everybody wants to do call her daddy? - Yeah, they're totally replaceable. I'm the brains of call her daddy. I don't eat either one of them. And he was talking to both girls like as they're confident, basically. And then he just called me and be like, well, I can do this, I can do that. Kind of like, I guess backstabbing both of them, the story Alex told me, because I was surprised. Alex then wanted Mouge to come when they split. - Yeah. - Mouge, and according to Alex, he wanted like 15 grand cash. He's like, I need 50, and an envelope, 15 grand cash, or I'm not coming with you, and she was like, fuck you, then see you later. - Right. - That's how they broke up, and then he went back to Sophia. - Right, so he's a quite a big character in the book. And Sophia sort of explains that her relationship with Alex is like very much, Alex is in charge. Alex is the one communicating with you. Alex is the one sort of creating the deals at far so, and that she really never interfaced with you, that you guys had one meeting solo at the beginning when you hired them. And other than that, I would never remember meeting with Sophia Solo. - She said maybe there was one meeting, but other than that, never. - Yeah, I don't think there was even one. - And so I think she sort of like, obfuscates you a little bit from the blame, because so much of what you thought of Sophia came from Alex, is that true? - No, I mean, I, I, I, I, I've said I thought Sophia liked me more than Alex like Alex to me was always the driving Like business woman behind it and to me it was kind of Sophie was long for the ride. I guess I Have to say at this point like I Don't necessarily like Nobody really thinks Sophia wrote this book. Do they? Oh, yeah, I think so it seems like a first-hand account Especially things that only someone like Sophia wouldn't know she really lays it all out about Alex about herself About their you know sort of dark embarrassing moments drug use and it's not like written in a high-brow sort of way It's like very accessible. Just yeah, the passages. I've read seemed like pretty high, but I and like when I read my book For example when I did my book like I had a ghost writer first. I sat down and did tons of interviews with them Mm-hmm, and then they I saw the book and That we've degrees of truth into it and then there was stuff It's like well this didn't happen. This is my voice. I have to write the whole thing myself like there's one passage somebody sent to me Where she's describing our crisis party, right? Oh, yeah, right the girl fiction which part all of it spider doing coke in the bathroom never Happened that guy Rob. We don't even know who he is at our company the party that she says is So low brow is at hotel shantal pretty fancy thing are at this particular time like our company The Erica with CEO Our head of finance was a woman our head of marketing sales marketing woman There are a lot of women there. She makes it sound like there's some sort of like underground frat party. We don't film Actually, I have to say she doesn't really paint bar stool like that at all She talks a lot about the the other girls in the office she actually talks about someone named Casey's that yeah, he's a Smith Right, and she said that Casey told them that you and Casey were having sex. Well She also says like I'm having sex with Out she in say that she infers it and we do want to get your of course, so she Faction her reasoning for saying that is when they go to your apartment rooftop meeting She just gets the sense that Alex has been what she had not to your apartment for okay, so no, she has not never had that Like she knows that the first time either of them were in my apartment was the rooftop meeting one Alex number two is when she's like She came back and she came back. So where do we and you guys have questions? I'll ask I'll tell it honestly Where's suitman in all this? So it's using Dave. I have a real issue with suitman I really do and I had an issue at the time because to me I saw the situation as if I was in Sofia's shoes and I said this at the time and we'll say now I would have done exactly what Sofia did I would have gotten a high-powered agent and these were two girls who had very limited experience in New York with media So yeah her fancy Harvard boyfriend who works at HBO knows a guy I would go with that guy and you're doing your own best thing looking for the best deal on these girls You and you gave them a platform when nobody else would I don't blame you at all But I don't blame Sofia for listening to her boyfriend and it being packaged as like she's being controlled by a man It's like no your boyfriend smarter than you obviously listen to your boyfriend Like I didn't think it was this big deal this big anti-feminist and I really did have an issue at the time And still I would like to talk to you about it now of how suitman was treated because this is a person who Had really no stake in this. He's helping out his girlfriend and her friend. You think he was he stood to profit from the new deal I think he was the manager Trying to become the manager. I don't think I know he was becoming the manager of caller daddy Who's the agent so fear alleges that not only was it Alex's idea to involve suitman and get his advice and he set them up on this like founders Retreat where they went up state, but that suit that suit man actually at one point stepped away I was like you guys have to figure this out on your own like he really wanted no part of it. So Who did the deal with one tree? The agent what agent the agent that suit man introduced them to So we didn't know who the agent was. She doesn't sign the book So there's an agent that we've never been introduced to at any point Working behind the scenes that I still don't know who the agent is that she introduced to suit man Is it I think it's Sophia's still podcasting? No, they're not together anymore. He's referenced in the book quite a bit Yeah, there's an agent in the book. So so there's an agent in the book What do we know is that yeah Ben Ben who Ben Davis Ben Davis. Okay, so there's this agent Ben Davis That is wrapping these two that is shopping the podcast that never comes into our world at any point You didn't you didn't negotiate with any agents on their behalf never you only spoke to lawyers There's one lawyer Bruce Bruce is the one who comes forward which I I think rational people can all say is Insane demand so they went what did they demand at first? The first now and there's a couple different so Three months in is when Outcomes and ask for a race would that after the Christmas party? No, that's before three months in three months after the original contract that they signed She comes in and she's like you know, I'm doing all the extra work I'm doing the heavy lifting things taking off can't get more money. She went from 75 grand to 150 grand Oh, wow. Yeah, and you gave so paid at 75 you gave her a small race - so fear got a 30% raise so without unsolicited It's like all right. We raised you she went to 90 so that's three months in from my perspective 100% raise for one 30% for the other Fair I didn't really think much of it. That's the original raises then they get I think it's a little under a year Roughly Bruce We get that letter. I actually saw someone she wrote a letter clear. They didn't write it's like all right We have a lawyer. We want to talk about our contract. So they the the ask were a million-dollar salary each is all within a year 90% of the merch they could sell their own ads so they'd have their own sales force basically Is that for the podcast or or for outside opportunities like everything Instagram? Podcast everything they're entire and they didn't want to be qualified as barstool employees They wanted like talent contracts not employee contracts. They didn't want desks No, they didn't want like they want to be in the IP. Yeah, like all our employees are your full-time barstool employees They want to do other stuff outside of their and they stopped doing that They barely did it to begin with and then they stopped doing it completely. Yeah, I mean for us It's when you it's very clear when you sign a deal with us. You're a full-time employee You have your rights. We can monetize you as best we can and and a lot of times it doesn't work sometimes it works So they basically want out of the contracts It like we could sell ads, but if we sold it to I don't know. Let's just say Pepsi and they beat us to Pepsi. They could get cut out. Yeah, it's crazy And that's just a crazy way to do ads like to have multiple people selling your show insane Yeah, because then nobody even knows who you're you're going. Yeah, so that to me was so preposterous that we didn't even counter It's like all right. We're not doing it. She says in the book that I first you ignored them. I always ignored Like I literally like sad. I'm together to write this email. They were like so afraid so excited They finally sent in like never responded and then on the radio I think you mentioned it once and like yeah, it was clear that you weren't gonna swap it No, it was an insane thing and like I saw a clip today and I may play it I saw it in the way I keep getting stuff sent to me where like she's on a podcast and they're like it's so You play it. Yeah, like was she on the boss X? I know not skinny man. I fat I'll play it looking forward to it like a guy Paul who's been waiting for every had a good lines like her Both Two girls talking about sex But the way we were talking about it is a true we were the first girls to do that. Yes graphic Locker room talk for women. Yes. That's what it was true. It just resonates. It blows up. Yeah, massive success So much so that Stalks, but it switches out because it's so popular except it didn't exist before us. There was three episodes That in her book And do you know because I think the names in the book were fake. Do you know who was that company or that guy Mike? No idea Yeah, I'm so curious that it worked under Harvey Weinstein like well, that's not good like we we knew Alex Because of the know what's in the yard like we never listened to an episode I we saw we saw a cut that she made That's it. No, there's no doubt in the barstool value of the show. So like when she doesn't interview like this And you're like it blew up. It's so good and then we got swindled into a deal. I mean It was a this is a pretty standard pretty good contract to be honest like 75 grand health benefits and we're giving you Millions of dollars of marketing millions. Yeah, I think the initial contract that they signed was she was like totally there And you're taking it's just like you know the music industry. You're taking risks on people. You're losing money on people And so for every person that crushes it There's a bunch of money that you lost But then it gets to a point where they are by far in a way like the most successful so publicly They were paying the salaries of a lot of your employees. They're killing it. Yeah about the financials of that like at the peak of the show I think they said they were doing two million downloads in episode. I was huge. I don't know the numbers It was huge. I think they each I forget ended up with their bonuses like making seven figures the first year Because they did have And download bonuses. I believe I could be mistaken on that But yeah, they blew up, but that's what what you bring to the table signing up for like for every blow up We have ten that stink. Yeah, but then they go to LA They do other podcasts and when other podcasters here what the number one show is making yeah Logan Paul. Yeah, but if anybody had they just happened to me with Logan Paul, but if anybody had heard if we had met them and we heard they So be making seventy-five thousand dollars. You guys been doing your podcast eight years They were doing it for five minutes two months. No, and by the way you didn't even have to renegotiate with them That's where I feel like you don't come off badly in the book at all, she's not even upset. This is the most money she's made in her whole life. She comes from very humble beginnings. She's not upset at all, but they do decide that they want to renegotiate. And the fact that you even engage with them when you didn't have to, they did stop releasing episodes, is you don't come off really looking bad. You come off looking like a business man. Like a boss. And it does talk about the looming merger that you have, which obviously plays a role in the negotiation. Your number one show just went off the air. Yeah, I mean, that we, it was COVID played a bigger, like we were bought by sports gambling company. So like colored out of the audience probably wasn't like, oh, my God, we need to call you out of the crowd because gamblers, but it's like a shiny thing in your portfolio. Yeah, but it was more so COVID salary. Yeah, like they're helping pay the bills. Like I think the merger, the deal happens regardless of color. OK, yeah, that, that's not like the pressure. It's at this point we know we're going to probably lose them no matter what, right? So it's like, let's try to squeeze out as much of this as we can. Yeah, she says at one point then when you called her, you spoke to her like twice while things were falling apart that you guys tried to do it without them. Like you, you brought into other girls who were the girls. That's not true. That's not true. There was no like kind of like how the view was like, you know, rotating. Oh, that's not true. Well, because if Mooji came to you and said I can do the show without people, Mooji always said that. Right, but you never gave the shot. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, they're girls. I mean, as it was falling apart, and this is again, it's where, and I've said this, both. I think I even said in the book, both Alex and Sophia were planning to do what I would say is unconscionable stuff to get out of their contract. Yeah, I've said that. You said that Alex told you that they were going to alleged harassment in a climate that would not have been good for you to get out of their contract. But Alex told you that, and you seem to take what Alex says to you at face value on a number of things with the most. Yeah, and I mean, they put out podcasts quoting Kesha. Well, Sophia says that they put out a song that they love about a situation where someone's rights and their ownership was tied up, that she didn't have rights to her music. And there was also sexual abuse allegations. And we would let the audience think what they wanted. Here's the thing, I think in the book, and we said this on the show today, she really earns the reader's trust because she's being honest about all this stuff. All this dark stuff, too. So is that her way of saying yes, they were going to do that or she doesn't mention that at all, but I think a lot of how can you trust somebody that? Do you don't think that's a made? I don't think she knew about it. Alex said that to you. But no, based on the book, they posted it. What do you mean she posted about it about their IP? Like they were really they quoted the song and in the prayer, which is specifically, I think that's an event. Yeah, praying. That is specifically about the sexual harassment rape lawsuit. So and the ownership and the ownership of her music. So they are just are you guys looking at me a stray face and saying, she's not trying to connect with those dots there. Oh, they're definitely trying to make you very convenient. But would they have actually gone public with sexual assault allegations? I don't know. She doesn't mention any sort of plan for that. Now are they going to get out of their contract with us and go to one tree? Well, with a new show and a new IP. Yeah, they you won't call her daddy outers. No, you you can't do that. You listen, and we can't force them to be podcasters and in this industry, but they can't just pick up and leave and go do the exact same thing. Who cares? They can't resign from bar stool and then start another show with a new name. No, they have agreed on a name called the founder, because we own the IP. Right, right. But we're going to sue the hell out of them. You would have for going and taking reach of contract. Yes, it's like I use this analogy. It's like if you play for the red socks and baseball, you know, I want more. I can't just quit and go play for the Yankees. It's the same thing. Now, we can't force you to be in this business, this industry. If you want to go be an accountant, okay, you go off. You can't do that. This whole industry, people will just be doing that nonstop. Yeah, and I think that's where like suitman comes in. Like, these were not two girls who had a firm grasp on how contracts work, on how media works. And so, yeah, they probably thought they could walk away and do a show and not, you know, get away unscathed and you wouldn't have come after them for a breach of contract. That you think they thought that? Yes, because they had a whole plan. They took this retreat and they had a plan that if they weren't able to work it out with you guys, what they would do without their own IP, and they would just create a new one. But we would sue the crap out of them. That never came up in the book. I honestly don't think that they, like I said, these are very inexperienced young girls. I don't think that they knew that that was going to be an option to happen. I think that's a wildly naive way to look at that. If you're an employee of a car very naive, they're not Alex's, Alex is very cutting and very strategic, but they don't have like a ton of experience or even like a ton of contacts or connects. That's why bar stool was like this holy grail for them. They were so excited. Why wouldn't they have just left then amongst, like instantly when none, like we weren't. Alex, Alex's dream was to be at bar stool. That's how. And also they, they did see it as absolute lunacy. Oh, and also they still value in the IP. Obviously, if they can, they want to keep the name, they want to keep the social. But they'd rather take their talent somewhere else and make all the money that their show is earning. Oh, when, when Scooter Braun calls me. Scooter Braun. He's talking about Scooter Braun. He is in the book. Yep. You tell me your version of events when he gets a call. They brought me and called me Miami and he goes, Hey, I have, this is after we had already basically resolved this in the way it was resolved, which is we're moving ahead with Alex as the soul. I got it. And this is after Alex was like, I don't want Sophia in the book. Right. Because in the book, Sophia eventually calls Alex and says, I will take, like let's take the deal. I don't want to lose every deal point, but yeah, let's just go back with the 500K. But then Alex comes to you and says, she had no choice because the bus, the bus had left the station. And Alex wasn't leaving with her when they did have a contract between the two of them that no matter what happened, they would stay together. I'd be like, you had one? Yes. They had this like found, not a, not a sorry, a legal contract like a moral one. And they had done this retreat, they did these like, this founders complete like worksheet about like the, the business, the future, what will happen? What will happen? We're going to do renew negotiations if things go south, like, but always committed to staying together. They had a safe word if things start to fall apart, but just like to let you know that like I'm here. We're still together. And so Sophia thought, yeah, like when Sophia uses it at the end, like when they're like at each other's throats, but it's like, we still want to come back together. But like, I'm going to say this word so that you know that like, it's me from the founders retreat, you know, um, and Alex, and Alex ignores her. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I don't believe a lot of what she says in you seem to think Sophia's a liar. You say that in your book. Oh, I, is that rooted in the business inside her hatred or do you have the business inside her and she didn't lie about it. She just connected to people. She didn't say she didn't, she didn't, is that the first time she'd ever said that? That she did business. That she said. I publicly said it. That was the first time I'd ever heard it. Yeah. Years after. Yeah. Yeah. It's done. Um, and again, they were willing to do sexual harassment and I also think she's blatantly lying about suit man's involvement in this. So back to the Scooter Braun, um, and by the way, like the, the, the, the, the, somebody, what, I guess you're saying this, this, this, what agency has been whatever the WME, WME, okay. So anyways, um, and he remains her agent throughout the Sophia with an F and I think until recently. Okay. So he's the, I'm just processing that. So he's the agent and he's the one shopping it and he has nothing to do with suit men. They were introduced by suit man. Got it. Okay. So, um, well, there you go, that, that's a little bit. So, so Scooter Braun calls me, they grew up and calls me and he's like, I know him from Miami. He's like, Hey, I have Scooter Braun on the other line. He wants to talk to you. Can I put him through and I was like, it's all on the record. Like does he know that? Like I don't care who the fuck he is. I, I just don't care. He's like, I told him you're a terrorist, like whatever he says, so he knew going in. Yeah. He knew that everything he said is on the record. So he called me. He's like, I said, the gym and I met this guy managing caller daddy, uh, Peter Nelson. Yes. And he's like, he's telling me, you know, you guys should really take her back. She wants to come back and it was from what I heard, like a quid pro quo kind of like he had a big job at HBO, like they could help each other, whatever. So that is the call that it was Peter Nelson. It wasn't I no Sophia. Yeah. It's like Peter Nelson asked me for a favor. So again, it's suit man who's involved in this. In America, I had previous dealings with suit man that did not go very well. Oh. Yeah. And everything I heard about him and now, you know, maybe the agent has been, but if they're friends and they're taken into one tree, it just all of it going back to like why wouldn't Sophia? And maybe this is again, I don't know what Sophia and Alex, like I didn't even know this retreat. I didn't read the book. That was the first time hearing it for anyone who's been like following the story. So I guess my question on it is the way even like the rooftop meeting goes and how this goes like after, from my perspective, when we come in, we offer I offer the deal, which is a great, great deal. I was like, in the scheme of the world, if they had all different options and they were open to different networks, it's not a great deal, but in the fact that they were already signed to a contract with you, you actually didn't have to negotiate with them at all, but you did. I actually think that the $500,000 deal isn't about offer and the IP right yeah yeah yeah yeah and cutting six months off their contract so it's like I mean when we pitch people when they come to barstool it's like hey let you do two-year deal three-year deal we're gonna try to make you as big as we can and try to make as much money and we will renegotiate if you explode but at the end of three years hopefully we keep you if not go make as much money and we've had a lot of people at barstool do that sign these gigantic deals and do it so that is the pitch they turn on it within a year less than a year but then at the end it's like you can have the IP and by the way like I saw Sophia being like we're in that letter we're naive we didn't know the business I want to change anything like that's the town contract yeah that's it yeah you were you guys were nobody's like we own part of my take we own chicks in the office we own spit and chicklets like those are our IP now we're actually pretty good letting people like take you because it's like what are you gonna do with IP if it's like if we own the toast and you to leave what are we gonna do with it correct so it we're pretty good with that but anyways we offer the IP so at that moment we're basically saying stick in another year six months off and you're both gonna be multi multi multi millionaires it's a pretty good deal you went from zero we put tens of millions of marketing behind you and now you guys are set for life all you do is do one year yeah and Sophia does agree to take that deal to Alex did you know at the time that Sophia was down eventually at the very end yes you knew that she was down and Alex came to you and said I'll take it without her yes but that's where there weren't all these back and forths and to me Alex's story lines up perfectly with how it went because it was crickets for like two days like I thought all right we'll get this deal by the by the time they sit down we'll have it back I didn't hear anything two days of hearing nothing then that's what Alex comes to me like I meet with you again she's like they are gonna keep moving the goal post right that was the big thing moving yeah like there it doesn't matter what you give she's not gonna want to do it because Peter Nelson is acting as our manager and already has this one tree deal so she's like but I'll do it I want to do it and then she gets the full IP obviously she's not in there which I can't remember she said that instantly I think it was like two days later to be honest was like I get the full IP I called Sophia within five minutes of Alex taking the deal because I didn't want to break them up yet we have this they're so valuable and that's where we come from when we were watching go down like they're breaking well it's hard to find it they had magic together really there's no benefit from me for screwing it up at this point like I hope Alex along works but like who knows we're just keep trying to keep the train on the track so I called Sophia instantly and I'm like Alex is taking the deal you should get on board and come back and take the deal she ghosted me she didn't get back I think it was like two days and then Alex came back again and she's like I can I get all the equity when Alex and I had fully moved ahead it's like all right she's doing it by herself she gets 100% my guess is that's when this lawyer reached out to Sophia a different lawyer or whatever and she's in cut communication that's my guess this the lawyer remained Bruce so that's how Sophia says she found out about not only Alex getting more money but that Alex sought other council and was like doing a deal with you separately correct so that that's like after Alex is like a moving forward but also after I'm like you better come join because we're doing this yeah so the bus left they were never gonna be after that so but so that's one Sophia and Sophia is like I want to come back it's like you had time to come back days and and Alex Alex's point I guess I can't prove it it's just to me common sense like well Alex is saying Sophia is the one who's holding it up Alex has agreed Sophia had 48 72 hours to join in on this I agree parade and keep everything moving and she did not the only time she came back is after Alex fine is like it's all mine and and this parts of it like I think the idea that Alex would really go out on her own was so inconceivable to Sophia Sophia was like in love with Alex like a true sisterhood like really like a deep deep friendship that meant a lot to her and I think from your people know each other a couple crazy thing only two years but from your POV like the you knew that there was trouble in the water when Alex after the Christmas party asked you to fire Sophia right is that what happened yes she if Alex wanted her fired she'd be fired so she didn't fire but you said in your book that she wanted she can she and I think it's how you slant it like in my head again Alex didn't come in as a girl cutthroat that I want to get rid of my partner keep it it's me she came in as a girl who is at a loss defeated she's like not that out she this Sophia's zero work ethic she's drug addict she's drunk she doesn't prepare this was Alex went in always and kind of how I saw it and you could disagree I guess I haven't read the book but as a plan I'm trying to make something huge here and it so happened she met Sophia I'm not quite exactly even sure how they'd be a friend in a video in an Uber pull yeah so like I don't really know this girl and now I'm going down a path with somebody like if you to our team if one of you just fucking doesn't have what it takes not taking it seriously and has like major issues yeah but you think all of that because that's what Alex told you right but she definitely had substance abuse issues she's honest about them in the book yeah you know a lot of drugs and alcohol but then talk about work ethic like how do you then explain like so much of the call her daddy lore the merch the mug shot unwell being really from Sophia and in the book she explains a lot of like what Alex brought to the table is not only written by Muji but also stolen from black Twitter yeah I saw that means going from black to I think Sophia and I heard a lot was people resonated with her more stories the funnier one and I don't because she's out there getting drunk and doing drugs and having these crazy stories and then yeah and that's why they were a good team for sure because Alex is like kind of like the business side correct right but then so she comes into your office at a loss because her friend is a drug addict and she wants to of course but then she goes home and she tells Sophia that she was an embarrassment at the Christmas party and that you and Erica wanted to fire her but Alex talked you off the ledge that's what she says she wanted to come and apologize to you and Erica for her behavior at the Christmas party but Alex said no don't don't like worry about it and for like until she ever saw you again she had such a pit that like that you guys felt that way about her and then she said next time she saw you she could take out you didn't care less yeah that's all fiction I mean I don't know the part about what was said because I'm not in the room but I can base it on she talked about that Christmas party and it was totally false is getting like like it's getting blackout wasted at the bar school Christmas party a big deal no is doing drugs a big deal no right like I mean in my book if you go to our like we have a party in Houston for the Super Bowl and I'm talking about our guys pointing coconut eyeballs being like do you think it's a big part like yeah no like a big deal no it didn't seem like a big deal because I'm always like one drink at the holiday party max but that's not the bar stool way and so Sophia also Sophia literally went into counseling and went on medication after the bar stool party because of the way that Alex said that she was such an embarrassment and she they wanted to fire her there's no way for me to dispute what was said there but I'm not right but I can't tell you but this adds color to like what you what but and how you move like but in the same breath she said she went into the bathroom and did coke yeah that is a lie that is a ball face lie why spider you don't think she did drugs or you don't think she did it with the two individual spider and rock don't even know who the other guy is but I because it was so I really there's not a rob at bar stool I feel like there should be the rock that we have like a rob who is a who's like our kind of who's a commercial sorry by the way in the beginning of the book she does say that she changes people's names but not anyone important yeah all right so this is a work of nonfiction some names have been identifying details have been changed Sunday because I saw the passage hey did you do coke with Sophia at the accident party know is she saying that said in her book that's insane fake news said you rob don't know who that is went bathroom and did coke I'll get the quote rob yeah that's completely fake I wasn't friendly with her at all like that she loved him could not imagine only time I saw her was being blacked out at the party she even sent me a massive apology the next day I wish I still had it but she took accountability the next day and she takes accountability in the book and by the way she love spider she's going to be devastated to hear that yeah she lied about to go with him well it's one what why is he not lying like it's one word against the other I did coke I didn't do coke like why would someone if my boss is asking me to do right I'm not at the holiday party you don't and does everybody remember every time they did coke because she's also making it seem like me and Alex had some great relationship I saw Alex at that party for one second she describes that party as it's like guys hanging out with cameras everywhere that's not what no she describes the office like that yeah and the party everything is content everything is like live stream but it's not the party now she talks a lot of the party by the way why don't I believe her yeah because she was going to frame us for sexual or Alex correct but you leave out everything Alex never told you no I believe that they were going to do that Yeah, because she told me and then it lines up and then but then you why you guys also though and I won't be but you're sitting here being like you don't think Putting that Keisha song was trying to Keisha no, it was definitely misleading and wanting to write people up for sure But there is plausible deny Billy that it was just about rights But we know that they also wanted to use your Deniability verse reality and sense are too different right, but there is they were crazy by the way We're not even talking about when you were getting your book that they were gonna sue you and then Alex was asked about And we were talking about it. We're like they a hundred percent like we're gonna They absolutely had a plan to accuse you of sexual harassment. Okay, they were insane young girls You always watch the vlogs how they lived at that time like they were insane So that would be like when you're like why don't you trust them? I think it's not trust Sophia But you seem to trust Alex because it's Alex Sophia's never come clean to me with any of it and has Alex Yes, she did that day. Okay, like she again her and I say in the book They're both planning to do like deceitful awful things like I didn't say she wasn't involved and people have asked her about it But she did tell me about it And I I think she's like cunning in the sense that it she was planning her next move and do you want to like it was great Like let me tell you this piece of information But I to be like Peter Nelson was not more heavily involved there Why didn't even if he was involved? Yes, why is that so bad like that's my thing like let's say he was super involved in managing them He's a Harvard grad executive HBO. These are two girls who have worked in the industry for two years like Yeah, if I knew something like you're not on their hands, and they're not you know They have the biggest podcast in the world, and they literally just got here like let's say he was running the ship entirely So because from my perspective moody was writing for them like why what's the big deal of a man's helping? No, no, but it's not that the man is helping the man is Shopping the podcast illegally. Well, yes, I think they were doing a lot of work outside of their bar still contracts that really Legally could never have where fair like we're like there like we don't really I'm not like sitting there I mean like you can't do this as if Sophia said I'm laid back. It's right. It's like you get put the podcast Yeah, she gave an example of Daniam and dola and you and he was mad and he's something they said and you said to them Like just know you're sort of creating enemies, but do what you want? Yeah, and she was very impressed by the creative freedom that they had but What I guess it keeps come back to like why don't trust her it was both Alex and Sophia at the time They both just stopped working right basically went on boycott They leaked information that made us seem like we were some sexual deviants then she did it again later with the girl By the way the girl they're talking about who she connected his own record saying she's a pal I have it You're talking about business yeah like so yeah, I don't I don't trust of course you're not inclined to trust her that's face by the way I'm across as something like mean. I don't think she can write a book like that I think that is mean and incorrect because honestly the book reads more like a diary than anything else And Sophia she talks about how people don't really give her any sort of like serious thought because of the way that she talks Right like she has vocal fry her voice goes up at the end of sentences and it's always been this like thing in her life This barrier to entry that people don't think she's smart Why didn't she take the deal She in her mind she did in her mind she did she told Alex let's do it in charge She said if I tell Alex Alex is going to tell Dave like she thought we're still a liaison so so In her deals she did but she it from the way I see it she only did it She took the deal after Alex said she was going by herself And Sophia says that she took the deal before yeah, that maybe it was a couple more points that they wanted but like nothing They just didn't want to ultimately go to taking want to lose on everything so but essentially it would be a yes But she couldn't like when I talked to her She didn't say that Yeah, when did you talk to her? What like in she said twice she said in the book twice where you offered her her own show also Oh, yeah, that's that's next well yeah, I tell her Alex is taking the deal you should take the deal she's we're about to move forward She did not say yes she ghosted me for two days Last chance no nothing Alex takes the deal we're starting to pay I think at that point She knew Alex had betrayed her and she could never have worked with Alex again, but that is I think the first time the only time Sophia tells me like I told Sophia is too late that only came after Alex moved Yeah, I think that Sophia took two days to spiral I think she started drinking and doing a lot of drugs talking to Mooji and like figuring putting the pieces together that her whole life These last three years was live especially because like a couple like earlier in the negotiations She learns that Alex was making more than her the whole time she had no idea so when did you learn that? Um when they were already in renegotiations when Bruce stopped representing both and started representing one and Alex got separate representation Bruce but wasn't that after Alex already left No, she hadn't left yet, and I don't think Sophia I think even when she found out that Alex got a new lawyer She still thought that they were a team, but then she found out from Bruce was the actual date like when no dates in the book See to me. I think what what she has confused is this new representation all this stuff happened in it like at the very very End night bottom of the knife when Alex has moved that it I never got the sense Alex's plan was like to jettison her like I didn't get that till She's like I can't get her to sign the contract right and in that all everything about that makes sense in the time frame of That's why I don't like everything just hinges on Alex's word and you think that her word is and Sophia's but no I'm saying in date's mind But Alex's words That's up to what happened so like I'm dealing with somebody Who hasn't really shown initiative trying to like Get contracts get raises Alex has like done that stuff. She's how we publish yeah, and then so Suddenly I'm being told and I think Even being said in the book that it's Sophia who is the one who's like I don't want to roll over on these deal points Sophia never even looked at one word. Yeah, and suddenly She's like no. We got to be this hard negotiator. That does not sound like suitman's influence. Why is that bad but but so then it goes it it basically To me confirms what Alex is saying. She's in bed with suit man Alex was in bed with him too It was her idea but but she wants to sign and and that's where I think Sophia's answer as well because the deal just doubled for her That's a really good deal What do you take Sophia's half as well because she you were offering 500,000 but instead she got a million but No, she didn't get a million. She got 500. Yeah, there was the same deal for both No, no, but when she went solo when she went solo I thought she got both of their salaries. No, she got the IP today's episode of the toast is brought to you by Wayfair for all things hosting Wayfair delivers high quality customer trusted products for your home So you can host and celebrate without the stress So either you're having everyone over for meals. 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So, Fiya says in the book that you and Alex had the solo deal with Alex and you still owned part of the IP so that when they did the Spotify deal, you had about 50 percent of that. Is that true? Not true. Did you get any money off of Spotify? Zero. Zero dollars. Yeah. Interesting. Again, we, that's why I tend to like, I really have no dog in the fight. I'm just using what is common sense to me from dealing with these two. And again, there was this period of the two days where everything went down. I offer the deal and it's ghost and it's like, we just offered you the deal of the lifetime. Like this IP is worth tens of millions. You know how much merch you're getting. You're getting it all. Yeah. And I mean it. So, why isn't this deal done and that's when Alex comes to like, she's not going to sign it. Like, she keeps moving the goalposts to firm a person who has shown absolutely and when you say, why is suit man matter what? Well, that is what is the sticking point apparently to me between the two of them and getting the deal done. Right. And why would if suit man so smart, this is a great deal. Why would you be advising Sofia not to take it? Because you're trying to be their de facto manager who sold it to one tree at all. That to me makes perfect sense. There is no other explanation. You're trying to fight over little points. One year is not a lot of time to get everything. Yeah. And they would have sold it for more than 60, by the way, if they had continued a bar stool together for a year, they would have gotten like a Joe Rogan kind of deal. So, so what is the explanation on why that this broke? Because so it wasn't right off the bat when Alex, like, I'll take it all. There was a long delay of something going on. What is that? In the book, I think you're saying Sofia is like, I didn't want to roll over on the deal points. Yeah, but they didn't continue to negotiate. They never even got to that point after the offer of 500,000 according to Sofia's tell, like, to events. They never even got to continue. It was just like, I will take it. Let's just get it to the best place it could be. Right. Wait, who said that? Sofia said to Alex, I'll take it, but let's get it to the best place it could be. And they never continue negotiating and they never spoke again. Right. So, I think that my guess would be that's a little bit under selling it, but let's get a deal that's an absolute, sweet heart deal to the best place it can be. Does not sound remotely like Sofia Franklin for anything that I dealt with her. And there's two days of silence and then Alex comes and says she's never going to sign. They're moving the goalposts. That all makes sense on what was actually happening. And that's why I believe Alex. Yeah. Like, why would you try and negotiate any of that deal? I would have signed that before I left it. I think they thought they had a lot of leverage. They had literally, they were bigger than your. And still $500,000 is a lot of money, but compared to what they were earning for the company and what a podcast of that size earns is not a regular network. And that's not on you saying that was a great offer. No, no, but we're, yes, for if you come in with the, what was the Wendry offer? Do you know what it was? No. She didn't mention it either. Oh, I'm sure it was bigger than ours. Right. She didn't say. And I think she would have said, I feel like there wasn't a, uh, the only thing I can, again, we might as well have been talking to Superman where all of a sudden overnight, Sophia Franklin became the negotiator of somebody who never negotiated once in my, barely even talked to me. I actually thought I had a better relationship. Alex. And like she's always sharp, sharp in like looking and suddenly it's, it's Sophia Franklin who is holding up the deal and like in what world? She'll have to answer that. My next question is after this, you off, you call her and you say, we're going with Alex Hardady, but we'd love to give you your own show too. We'll give you everything that we give to her, um, same money. And she takes time to think about it, but obviously it doesn't do it. I don't even think Barstool was ever like the right fit for her. She's not a sports girl. Like Alex is more like sports world. Sports world minded. I don't, it didn't seem like she loved the office culture or anything. So she doesn't take it. And she's like heartbroken at this point like with her friendship and everything in Utah spiraling. Um, so how do you go from offering her a job to then cancel Sophia, cancel, oh, I hated so soon, man. Yeah. I mean, again, this is from my perspective, I'm just told that this is suit man. He has ruined your big star show. He ruined it's one thing, but also it was planning, and I know you guys are like, there's it. It's a guest planning to use devious tactics and say like, yes, when we sue them that, hey, say you guys are sexually harassed by Barstool, that's suit man in my man. I still think that's suit man in my mind. So that's who we went after and Sophia didn't do it. So it's like we gave her the offer to me. It was more intact. But I think if I look back on it, it's pretty much suit man is heavily heavily that also she's greedy lazy. Well, it was greedy. Yeah. Yeah. But why is it like greedy when Sophia does it when Alex says that she like knows her worth, meaning what? Meaning Alex went on to then yes, earn hundreds of millions of dollars and nobody ever wants culture. Greedy. But Sophia negotiating her contract. You're supposed to be greedy in a contract negotiation. But I again, I don't think it was Sophia. I think it was suit man. Sure. But yeah, you can be greedy to a point. And then it's just ass and I like it, you're we gave you you basically held a gun to my head and got the best deal you could possibly get. And I want to treat like I've been doing this 20 years and they're gigantic stars. But we've had gigantic stars that have gone on to make hundreds of millions doing nothing. I have never had anybody like this try to back out of a contract as quickly as they did. So it's like now I'm supposed to give you the benefit out and I'm looking at it. You try in a weird way. And whoever did who they were both trying to fuck me over and fuck bar still over. Like note out my mind. Sophia got fucked over first. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to cry for that. Of course not. It was me or you. Yeah. That's why by the way, I feel that you come off well in the book in the sense that like so she didn't do the business or stuff later. I probably won't have nearly they hate her and have for her as I did question for you. It's hard to say now because a business insider and if I were you, yeah, I would hate not for it to be unbiased. But do you have any like sympathy for what she went through before like at the time I take out the business. If you take out the business and if you read the first hand account from in the book, it's really it's devastating. I mean, not just the bag fumble of the century, but the loss of the friendship, the cancel like literally thoroughly canceled left, right up down. She goes on to like go to a really dark period with like drug use depression and she works out of it. But then Alex sort of haunts her. Alex becomes the biggest female podcaster in the world using her IP on well for a drink Okay, Adam. podcast and all these. I think that that was stupid by ox. I don't know. Yeah. She had unlimited resources. Yeah. Higher branding agency and company. I mean, it is a great name, but it I think it was Sophie's joke. It was and it there's a paper trail. It's all. I don't think anybody disputes that. So I that that was a misstep by her. Yeah. And then like your catalog of work, 80 episodes sold to Spotify for $60 million, your biggest Nemesis in the world becomes like America, sweetheart, girl boss, girl boss. It's a difficult thing to go through. So do you look back on the time at all with any regrets? Is there anything you would have done differently? No. But do you do you feel for what she went through? Was the question? I have to take take out what she does. Yes. Yes, which is hard to be mad for if true. It is true. She said it. No, no, I'm saying like if the accounts from the girl, like you said, she went on record, but saying she's a pathological liar. Yeah. I have it on my phone. I also, whatever. I've done that. It would suck. It would. Yeah. So I could see that. I let me put this way. I wouldn't hold the grudge. I'd be like, oh, she, she kind of like, you know, she, she played around with fire and got burned. And it sucks for her. But for she had every opportunity, she made a bunch of missteps. Like I don't pity her. She made the wrong move. She, she was trying again, I just said, but it's hard for me to feel bad for somebody who's trying to fuck us over. And then it's like, whoops, I got fucked over because my friend fucked me over before we could fuck them over. For sure. For sure. Yeah. No, you don't really have reason or need to feel bad for Sophia because you were the one sort of operating against her, like in terms of negotiations. Yeah. And we weren't up like again, a lot of people don't like me, whatever. If you talk to almost every creator who has come through our company, they're going to be like, they treat the talent really, really well. They're really, really fair. I think I said the book. I was making because I signed a contract. I think 400 grand. Yeah. I had been doing it for 10 years. Right. Like I hadn't asked for a reason for years. And you have two women who have been there for a cup of coffee, wanting a million and basically everything. It was insanity to me. And I then we get to the later parts. Oh, she, yes, I feel bad in the sense of anybody would hate that. It's like you fucked up. And was your fuck up that big of a penalty because I don't think Alex is there without Sophia. They're the perfect team. Absolutely. So that's going to suck to see her on this rocket ship and everyone's doing it. But from my perspective, it's like, well, they were both trying to fuck us over. And one got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. And I do think of Sophia, by the way, took our deal. It wasn't an elastid probably. But no, it wouldn't have. But and she blames us. I guess the reason her podcast wasn't successful is because why is because of her? Because when she was doing call her daddy, she came up as herself every day telling the stories, her personality, just being authentic and candid. And then when she hit rock bottom after everything fell apart, she couldn't come on camera as herself because she's a depressed, spiraling individual. So she just started getting really to drugs her form. And no, she has to do drugs in order to perform. But she's never performed on a podcast before she just been herself, but who she is sucks. And it is to accountability for the flop of Sophia with an F. Yes. But and I don't want to be like the Alex Cooper defender here. I think what Alex would say is she is underplaying that person who was showing up a lot while they were working together. And the success, the drunk one, the drunk like that. Like when Alex came into my office on Christmas again, it wasn't fuck Sophia. Like I got to take this cutthroat. It was, I don't know what to do. I'm dealing with somebody who has addiction problems. I can't get to work. Like that was, it was like a cry for help type thing. Like I don't know what to do with it. It wasn't trying to be this vicious behind her. That was not the Alex Cooper. That was in my office. Alex was crying. Like it wasn't cutthroat. So Sophia can say the success of Sophia with an F. It couldn't happen because the place she was in. I'm not so sure she wasn't in this place throughout in a tough person to deal with. And you can say, well, that Alex was the one keeping the ship kind of going. The stories all that. Definitely. So, you know, Sophia acknowledges that like Alex's set of skills was extremely valuable to the show in terms of like packaging it, marketing it, editing it. But it wasn't that Sophia was doing nothing either. That narrative, she feels is, is been blown up. And that they were editing together. And she goes beat by beat of the episodes in their strategy. So I think she does want to combat the idea that like she can do it. Just because Alex was clicking on the computer, doesn't mean that Sophia wasn't on the couch. There's something to the sound bites and saying putting this here. And maybe I'm being cynical. I'm definitely being cynical. But if that's true, you had mood and Sophia together. And it was a miserable flop. And you had Alex by herself. And it was a yes, but it wasn't success. But it wasn't what the show was. So she had to completely rebrand, repackage the show. But that's what she's brilliant at. No one's saying I think there are a lot of people with. Sophia and Mouge are claiming they're the brains. And they're so smart. They can do anything in there together in the show tanks. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, 100%. So yeah. Now I feel like this is obviously going to be turned into some sort of like movie or mini series. And I'm curious to 100%. Who should like you playing day four night? What a question. A little lighter question. I mean, I'm always trying to say like, you know, Bradley Cooper's my guy. I see it. I see it too. Yeah, for sure. I don't know. Yeah, it's definitely going to be a huge movie. Yeah. It'll be great. It will be great. I'm really looking forward to it. I guess it depends who they go with, right? I don't think they do it independent. I don't know. You think you'll have a say in casting? No, no. I'll have nothing to do with it. I do think I should. Well, again, it's so hard because I know everything from my perspective. And I'm not behind the scenes of what Sophia. And I've always said that. I don't know what was said behind closed doors. Obviously, Sophia thinks they were best friends and sisters. Yeah. And Alex would be like that was not the case. This is my crack head roommate. That is it. Yeah, Alex thought of her. Yeah. And yeah, I think most people at bar stool tend to believe Alex's side of what? No, they don't think Alex is a saint. They don't think Alex is necessarily nice. They think she's a cutthroat business woman. But as one person said, Sophia's book will read better than Game of Thrones, like in terms of fiction. So you know, that's everybody around again. Nobody's like nobody's necessarily saying she's mother Teresa. It also seems like your relationship with Alex even long after this call her daddy thing is sort of unbreakable like grace. That could have turned into something. But you sort of let it go. Let it go. Have I told this? I don't know that I totally let it go. Are you guys beefing? No, we don't beef. Even licks for slacks. You didn't really take a side. Alex or Earl versus Cooper. Well, I know Alex, Earl too. So I give my honest take on it. Yeah. Maybe you seem pretty loyal to Alex Cooper, which is really. Well, I think Alex Earl, if you have beef, you guys know if you should say what the beef is. And I completely agree with you. So it's like I'm waiting to hear the beef. And then I'll tell you did you watch Earl meets world? No, I did not. Did you see the scene where her and her family talked about it? I'm sure I did. It's not this big. It's not like something crazy happen. It was, you know, just like a simmering up. You know, it's Cooper reached out. She's like, I am so sorry for how we acted at our stool. Because she's now experiencing it. Yes. Like I'm on the other side of the fence managing town. Yeah. And I can't imagine what you like putting up with us. So again, to me, I said when Alex Earl signed with, I'm well, Mike, it's way too late. She's too big. She doesn't need you guys. Yeah. It was a bad deal. Yeah. So yeah, I dealt with this with two, two women who really had no following. And who knows what would happen to them if they didn't sign like Sophia under plays. It's like, we make a million dollars in March. Well, we make net probably 350 grand. And we're paying your salaries. And we have, and that's not including all the people we have set up to do it. And that's not including the millions at all. Or is that where space? So she always just like they're making this. It's like, that's the deal. That's what we signed up for. But, um, so the grace. When that, I mean, I am loyal to my people. So when that all happened, chicken fry chicken fry, right? It's chicken fry versus grace, chicken fry, the Cooper later on. I don't get that dog. That was a big mistake on it. We're on the chicken price part. Like she ended up looking like silly. Yeah. I don't, I don't understand their beef at all. Um, so when they broke up, grace goes to unwell. Um, grace was going to be on, uh, color daddy. Oh, but she ever, no, because I said we're going to war. If you put her on color daddy, I said, you can put her on color daddy. But it starts. No, do it. I don't care. I don't need the view. You can put grace on color daddy, but you got to allow breed to be on them with. You can't do it one sided color daddy. Grace slamming. If you can get them both, Bree said yes. Grace said no. Oh, so that's what happened. I would grace say no. It should go down well. Summer house bit. Well, we have you here. That was a fun day, that twice that a lot of mean things She was so you guys land with that like she's your number one up like who's your number one? I have so many enemy again. This will give you a little color the people who are involved in business inside Or are in such a different category of hatred for me. Mm-hmm. Because like even Bailey will be like well You're he's like whatever he's a buser. It's like sexual a sale. Yeah, it is because they just use that I can't see you ending this shut up like shut down the conversation It's a great and the Arnold's out there. It's totally fucking fake and anybody who paid attention to like one the time I if there's controversy I don't get lawyers I don't I just go and tell the truth and I just say you're one of the scariest people I've ever met Well, if the truth is on your side. Actually not met but it scares you on the internet. No, you're but nice and pretty. You're lovely to me Well, I'm the same anyway. It's like Bailey picks a fight out of fucking nowhere with us over the dumbest shit Mm-hmm in the history of the world. I agree. The dumbest thing the dumbest fight. Yeah, and she picked it multiple fucking times So and then she ends up on summer house right and by the way my girlfriend liked her on summer house She's like just because I was about to say something. She's like she'd people like her don't say anything Like all right, I'll let it pass um and then she comes at me again over this it girl thing because So the backs are it girl is we used to have an account Chicks chicks. We also have chicks in the office. It's confusing chicks in the office is blown up They're huge and they came to me. They're like hey people are getting confused chicks is just an aggregator It's like they're right. It is confused. Just like a female content house So like can you change the name sure? That's the only role I played in and changing the name She said yes Our people look for what's available it girl is available on Instagram. It's available on tick-tock All right, there it is it girl available free. We just went and got it So we start posting it this girl Bailey who I'd never heard of I was living in it like I on my rod at this I remember at the time she was not well. No, she wasn't on summer house yet. No, she hadn't I No following but she must attack me or somebody sends me and she's like there goes barsel being the worst people in the world again Stealing it girl it's like it girl What what we would claiming copyright of like the question mark? It was like just so stupid And so I made a video I'm like I wasn't a bad mood you catch me a bad mood and I said that like I'm in a bad mood So I'm gonna address this but like how can you say you own it girl? It's been around for a hundred years and by the way all the social handles were available It wasn't like it wasn't like you to steal it correct It's like clearly. This is something that we can do and she's like you saw a poster in New York It's like I don't even live in New York. She must add some things somewhere a billboard or just on like a fence, you know Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I made that video that's that that's the end of it and then Maybe two or three years later. There's a red carpet for devil. We're part of it. Yeah Who's the main actor and have I and and like our girl runs the it girl Not shockingly is like who's your it girl because the name it counts. It's a bad question. Yeah It's not it's not really it's not even a talent. It's like you only see the microphone right and she cut she goes ah, I got you What in the we're in our top as she's like this ugly like Yeah, right she calls you fat. Yeah, everything and old age is how you're meant like ages fat phobic Let me know people are so crazy. I know you guys don't see it It's kind of how I feel with the Sophia stands to her. It's like are we in reality like they weren't any Sophia stands until like last week But coming out of the woodwork though and you know I don't have their money but it's so funny because like when it all went down they all hated Sofia That's what we're also saying the book and like it has changed so many and it's like it was also a lot of the public We're like so nasty and it's such nasty things that her and it's like those people should be called out Tim they were already changing on Alex like yeah, but it's like you were there bad gear for Alex the first she hasn't had like good Cue scores. Yeah, I always it's the same with me. I have so many days like you die the hero or live long enough Like a villain like I the women are like tearing her down It's like don't you want this bad ass like business woman who's like stepping on people's faces to build this empire Now grant Matt. It's like I think there is an element of like it's this female Empowerment type thing and Matt Kaplan certainly heavily involved that yeah Very very she shares in the prologue actually that as her book is being announced Matt Kaplan is calling Simon and Schuster trying to get He got his hands on a shirt. He got his hands on the book proposal and he's threatening to sue and they've been like hounding to get a copy Well, that's the other thing about the book You also have to kind of trust that the things that are in and are true because they will sue There's even us to me to go through everything, but again, I haven't heard the book. You can get away with being like Hey, I get a feeling that she's been here. She slept with Dave before like, but she said it's a feeling She didn't say that they did so we all are left to wonder sure, but we could just ask not everyone can just ask you That's not true. You guys ever kiss or make out or anything. We didn't even like it He will ship to you. What's that people started to ship you like after the hour couple Her and I you mean after that happened. Yeah, that I was not aware of that way. I feel like you know a lot about pop culture She by the sea from your girlfriend. We loved. Oh, yeah, we love to you guys. She is. Well, thank you Is she the reason why you're here? Well, you know that we're just because of her. No, I was she wanted me to do it because 90 It's almost like that Bailey thing like I'll I'll go on like tick tock and people are just Killing me they're like you got it's like you don't have a brain like what are you talking about? Do you have any objectivity? So I feel like you guys have always been fairly objective So yeah, that was why and I get a lot and there's a lot with anything It's like we're gonna root against Dave just because we hate his guts Yeah, we're not gonna listen to like actually the facts of the case Does you beefing with all these like you swirly girly sort of ruin some of her fandom like when you shift to stop watching some house and like she hates Bailey now like just spies is barely I mean she gets a little she wouldn't obviously she'd probably like like Sophia if she wasn't more in the weeds because I don't know how many people Sounds like you've got a critical thinker on your hands. Yeah, well, and she's on my side and everything which like people Be the other side again, there's not many people in my shoes who went through the things I've gone through that has a Direct line to be like it was her who created this for me. Yeah, she may be like well you fuck me with right call her daddy Those are two different things you a you were trying to fuck me first and then you did something they Now she could always be like I didn't know the girl was lying, but I find that Incredibly incredibly hard. She doesn't go into details. She just sort of says I connected them and that's and then the chapter ends like how did she Get connected DMs she says Well if someone in business insider wanted to write something negative about you They'd probably go to the people Sophia's definitely left in your wake of correct. So that's always been a Major point of mind is you can't get past that you are writing a hit piece on me by just going to people who have huge Axes to grow right right trying to dig something up yet. You haven't talked to my ex-wife You haven't talked to the CEO of our soul. You haven't talked to anybody who possibly could say something nice You want to Sophia Franklin with Mouge Frick who is dating the girl Mouge Frick was dating the accuser That's interesting and they made it up. They just fucking made it up. So who would you say is your number one op in this world at the present moment? It would be Henry Blodgett the guy who like owns business. This is a guy from like 10 years. Yeah Meena Kines is a huge. She's like a big woman on sports center. Mm-hmm. She retweeted the article two minutes after it came out twice I'm gonna never issue an apology like I send her the facts. So okay There's different there's different levels of Like what we do where there's silly internet beef like yeah, and then they're like basically yes Like the baili thing that doesn't make math. No, you don't have a baili champagne bottle. I laugh at it I'm like this girl is fucking nuts, but it's not like I'm losing sleep No, that's like fun. Really bothers you and how could it not of course? Yeah reputation? Yeah, and it's like you're telling your parents Hey, there's just blatant lies about to come out. Mm-hmm So that that's the stuff that gets me and if Sophia I don't know what I would do if she called and like like I'm sorry like I that that was overlined Are you forgiving person if someone apologizes? Generally, yeah, I generally am you apologize to you ever find yourself really wrong But sometimes you can still be right. I don't know and and apologize just for the sake of the relationship to move forward Just like because you feel bad that they felt bad. I know that's like so soft, but sometimes I want to say I don't Like I don't think that that you should I'm just No, I can't I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying sometimes you could be right and you find yourself still apologizing like no I don't there just like often that's a more like But if someone who wronged you came to you and said sorry and meant it Yeah, you would have forget this depends the degree not Henry budget of wrongness. Yeah in all these people people, like, I just beg to talk to them. - Right. - Like, just, let's, because I know I have facts that will be indisputable, and then I went down a path, I sued for slander and I lost, and everyone's like, see, that proves he's guilty. It's like, no, it's because-- - It's almost possible to win. - It's almost possible. - But he still did it. - I still did it, because all I want to see is how it started. Like I said, so fear- - Was it expensive? I was gonna have the same thing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - How much you just spent? - Thousands, yeah. And they told me going in, they're like, there's one percent chance. I'm like, I have to do it, because I don't know how any of that started. Sophia was definitely, again, she was posting, I already said it, hey, any third bad stories on Dave Portnoy, and then she delete it. And the person they got ended up dating Moog, and that's not what it is about, but I have files and files of her being a certified liar. - Well, I think ultimately, I'm sure like this book loomed over you, and Alex Cooper too, like worried about what's gonna be in there. - I did it. - I didn't, because they all lie about me so much. - And I don't think you really come off bad at all. You just come off as like a savvy business person who's trying to get the best deal for himself in his company. - And the Dave that we all know, like sort of crass and out there. - I don't know how savvy either. They like kind of walk around. - They elmen over you, but they stopped recording episodes. - Which I think is a dirt bag move. Like I would never do that, but where it changed is what we've had that little, like, why are you involving Dr. Luke? - Right. - And that to me is-- - That's funny that that's like what really stuck with you, the song. - Well, combine that with what Alex told me. - And then the business ends at a article. Yeah. - It's sort of just using like a narrative online about you against you, and like using it conveniently for themselves. - Yeah, and that narrative wasn't online yet. - Have you spoken to Alex about this book? - No, she's off heaven. I know she despises, so-- - Don't be, of course. - Obviously. No, she's out heaven. I mean, when it first came out, she's like, I can't imagine, I'll say this. I think I could be wrong. As much the Sofia's tale, I think Alex's version of events would be widely different than-- - Of course. - Which is, I'm dealing with another-- - My crack head roommate, the memoir. - Yeah, and like, oh, you think we're best friends? Like, have you been paying any attention? - Right. - To what is going on here? - Yeah, do you think Alex responds in any way? - No. - Me neither. - She hasn't really ever, right? - Right, she's never really spoken about it. Past the funeral, the episodes, it's never been brought. - But she hasn't responded to controversy, really? - No. - Which is why Alex's girl thing was so crazy. - Yeah. - But so when the book came out, you two chatted, just about, was she free? - No, not since, since she announced it, did she express any sort of concern? - I think she just was like, it's gonna be fiction. Not really concerned. I mean, the Matt Kaplan thing in the beginning, which I haven't read that was a stupid move. Like, why would you threaten? Like, like, you say, I wrote the book. They're very careful. You can't just say anything, yeah. - Well, she did say she did cope with spider, which is, - Well, maybe she said, - What's that having your voice back? - Maybe she did possible, he did cope at the time. - But also, but maybe she was in the bathroom with spider while she was doing cope. And spider wasn't doing cope. - Well, that's not how she told me. - And the story as well. - What was, who was doing back cope in the bathroom, with two later? - With two later. - With two later. - With two later. - Like that's the thing, like spider knows, it's like, well, you're, you did, who cares? I was just like, that seems like a blatant lie. - Do you guys still have holiday parties? - Yeah, also our holiday party. You have it? - Yes. I love to do a dramatic reading. Oh, so Alex comes up to talk to you. She said, "Dave, she yells, running up to him. "Can I talk to you? "The bodies in between us drown out her voice. "I've lost my human safety blanket. "I accidentally make eye contact "with one of the vlog cameras floating around the bar." - No vlog cameras. - And holiday parties? - No, you're not allowed. - We just don't do it. It's like you let people live. - So like, if you go Google bar still holiday, there's nothing. - I dart my attention up to the ceiling, which is covered in Christmas garb, mistletoe, fake snow, charred faces. I feel ugly standing here, surrounding by guys, waiting for the pretty girl who knows nothing about sports and likes to talk about sex to embarrass herself. Anything I do, they'll see as a performance and hit record. I slurped down the closest drink I can find, and then another, and another, and another. - Yeah, I do. Even if she wrote it in part with like a girl, - Yeah, like she wrote it down and then someone, - She probably had interviews and somebody wrote the book. - Yeah. - I know. - So she said you wrote your own book? - Oh yeah. - Yeah. - No, but I did write my own book. - Yeah, but you said that you did interviews and, - And then he said that. - And then it came out like 90% not real, not my voice. - And you did it. - I wrote the entire thing myself. - Oh wow. - So she says she has about a drink, another, another, another. Next thing I know I feel impossibly happy. I'm in a corner of the bar with Rob, who tried to edit our videos. So who was the person you probably wouldn't remember? You assigned an editor to them when they first joined. - Yes, we don't know who that is. We reached out to a bunch of people like, not me, not me. One of the younger, shorter kids who works at the office and who people like to systematically bully. - We love Spiderman, I don't know what that's all about. - I found the only two people in the company who rival my level of a strange man, but I don't care. Nothing could make me happier than this trio. She'll have a spider. Except that Rob has blow. We all go to the bathroom and crowd around the sink, trading bumps, like laughing like all we know is joy. Doesn't say spider was bumping. - No, and I think it's entirely possible she changed Rob's name because he's the one who supplied the drugs, right? - Right. - You're making an accusation. - So she was saying spider. - She was in the bathroom with them while they did drugs. - Who the fuck time? - Some people just like to party. - Listen. - By the way. - No, it took turn, we all, all implies more than two. - Yes. - That would be great. - Yeah, by the way, we don't, like, - You don't get it. - We've got people doing like coaking the middle of the day and all of that. We don't care about that stuff. We'd rather than not. - We'd rather we do it in the house. - Yes, exactly. - It's like we, that is not like, oh my God, at the Christmas community did this. So I was just curious to get like. What's true? - Current. - Yes. - Well. - Fair, spair, spair. - We can't thank you enough for. - Does your audience like me or not like me? - Oh, I think that we always, whenever you come up in stories, which you do a lot, like you said, I think we're pretty fair. I think it's split. Like I think that a lot of the rhetoric about you online has permeated with our audience and they're commenting like, fuck, Dave, bar, souls, Rose. And then a lot of people. - No, really though, I think they feel the way that we feel. Like you're a respected man in the industry. You're very funny and you're very honest. - You are very funny. - Thank you. - Everything you touch turns to gold. We were just talking about T by the sea. And how you've had like another, every time you think Dave was like in retirement, you do BFFs pod. And then you do the pizza reviews. You do the charity for COVID. Like it just, you always have a great idea. - Yeah, we've been in the mix now a long, long time. - Except you know, I have a personal opinion for you 'cause one time you said something about us. - Bad? - Yeah. Well, we were, not, we were canceled really enough. Our show was owned by Verizon in 2017. They canceled our show. And then you know, they found our own tweets. It was like an OG cancellation. And we were like unemployed and everyone hated us. And it was just like so sad. And somebody was like, Dave talked about you on the radio. We were like, oh yeah. And I guess somebody had asked like, would you guys pick up, we were called the morning breath at the time. Would you guys pick up the morning breath? 'Cause you guys don't like, you know, have put it really high. - And in the month before we were canceled, we were actually, do we did some stuff with chicken with KFC. We were just sort of like in-- - KFC's been on this show. - Yeah. Even our old old show that was owned by Verizon, we've known him for a while. - He's a friend of the show. He called in or written in and said, would you guys pick up the toast? Like it's my favorite show and nobody, like they got dropped. Like would you pick up? And you were like, no, they seem kind of radioactive. Excuse me. - Well. - And would you like to answer that now? - Well, now you guys are killed. But we, that's, I would answer it the same exact way. Like people are looking to come at us anyways. So when we hire the radio active, it's like, they're like, oh yeah, yeah. - Right, it's like the in-bar stool again. - Yeah. - And by the way, like we didn't want to come. Okay, we just like wanted to be concerned. - We worked out for it in the past. - How long was your deal at Verizon? - We were about to, it was just really awful timing. We were about to enter into what it was like a one, or a two or three year deal. - But we were on employee contracts before. So we wound up just getting fired for free. - Yeah, just like unceremoniously. So it wasn't like a deal or anything. But we were in the process of like signing a major one. - I will say this too, but that's why that's the deal. Like if guys did what Alex and. - So different. They would get, no, they get crucified. - Yeah, of course. - But there was this element. It's like women are sticking it to the guys. - In a male dominated company. - Yeah, so like, go fuck 'em over. - Yeah. - And by the way, it wasn't, yes, there's a lot of guys. I've said this, I've always said it. Back in those days, we're the only media company where three of the four top executives were females. There was no other company that had it. - Oh, Sophia, fucking hated Erica. Like, you could tell just like by every time she spoke about her. - I think she said that. I think she said it. - She hated Erica. - Yeah, I don't think Alex liked her as much. She has a very different management style. And part of the thing that blew me up made me mad at them is I always, if you bring something to me, I fix it. Or I solve it, or I'm like, I can't do anything. I never, like they need their podcast numbers. They thought we were screwing 'em with like their. - The metrics. - Yeah, and it's like, just tell me. I'll get you it tomorrow. And then all of a sudden, we got that letter from the lawyer. That's like, hey, here's what we want. - Yeah, it's like, you haven't even talked to me. Like, I'll try to make this work, but you guys are now having a lawyer that's handling it. It's crazy, so yeah, but it's the same thing with this. Like, you know, people take her side just because it's me or Alex, who now they don't like her. - You're not public enemy number one in that book. - No, but people do, I know what you're saying. People have preconceived thoughts about you, about Alex and about Sophia. And now a lot of people have changed their minds on all three, but a lot of you three bring out strong feelings in the public. - Yeah, and it's easy to roof her. She got, Alex has made hundreds of millions of dollars and-- - Off of something her and Sophia built. - Correct. - That is 100% true. - Yes, now what Alex ended up doing with it, is Alex's accomplishment alone. Like, I don't think that you can really like discredit what call her daddy has been. to come just based on its origins. That's origins are a little murky, but a lot of people could have ended up doing what Alex did. - We're getting a 60 million and then getting less the next time, not the one 25 building on well, not having, you know, her company valued at 500 million. So it doesn't just credit Alex entirely, but the book is bad for Alex, just in terms of the persona she's built for herself, a lot of the actions. And here outside of the negotiations, just don't, you know, chive with who, chive with who she, the brand she's built for herself is like, you know, girlbomb. - Yes, you take that. - Yes, that's true. - Yes. Like I think, I'm sensing you don't. - Well, I think, I think Alex Cooper would write a book that gets past all the legal filters, everything. - And it's completely different. - And it's a 180 of that. And then it's like, who do you believe? And as I've said, my experiences lead me to say, like Alex was telling the truth. - But and Alex did share her story like in that YouTube video after you went on their show. And then the next episode of Caller Daddy, the funeral, et cetera, she shared like the prevailing narrative that prevailed for six years. And now Sophia, like talked about on interviews here and there, but never really like. - It's her time. - Went deep. So it's, this is her story. Her story. - It's gonna be number one's bestseller. It's everywhere. - Absolutely. - Well, it's anything else we've wanted to ask Dave. He said, nobody deserves it more than her. She deserves her moment. She does. - She does. - She does. - If she did, if she did. - No, sorry, we don't, sorry. I'm putting, I'm putting business inside her over there because of course then this would just be a hate interview. - It seems quite a bit of help to you her. - But and so I'm trying to just operate in the time that it happened. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I can't separate them. I can't separate the things, the two, go ahead. - That's fair. - Going in circles, but yes. - I understand. - Well, thanks so much for being here. Thanks for coming, making the trip. - It shows how much is in my head. I had two and a half hour drive. - Do you feel like you let it out? - Yeah, till like I told gas, my guy who sends me things and like don't send me the clips. They just make me mad. - Pussy off you. - Like I don't want to see them. But then I see like the clips of her saying, you know, they were huge when they came to us, which is like crazy. - Yeah, they were not, they were not confirmed. They knew they had some like magic together. They had three episodes. The people they were doing. - I think they have magic. - Yeah, everybody thinks we should start a podcast. The people who they were doing it for, like we're obviously very enthused about it. But it was three episodes when you DM'd. And if you'd ever find out who produced those first three episodes, I would love to. - And if you ever find out who Rob is, also keep us posted. - I've asked a couple people, they say not that. - Well, go find who edited their episode in the good emails, go find. - Yeah, we asked the people, I think it was a guy, Youngstown Bob, who's no longer here. - Bob. - That's Rob. - Yeah, I asked him. - And he said no. - I have absolutely no idea what he was talking about. And again. - Maybe he was blacked out. - Yeah, what was that? - Maybe he just coped out, right? - You never, let's put it. - Holiday parties. - Yeah, and our holiday parties are basically boring. - More of the story, one drink at the corporate holiday party everybody. That is definitely a takeaway for everyone listening. Dave, thank you so much for being here. Thank you everyone for listening, and I hope you have a great day. We'll see you on the next one. Bye.