This episode introduces the basics of the minor arcana in tarot, designed for beginners. It emphasizes simplicity over complexity, focusing on foundational meanings of the four suits—pentacles (money, focus), cups (emotions, love), swords (challenges), and wands (movement, change). The aces are presented as symbols of potential and new beginnings, with each suit linked to specific life areas. Numbered cards are interpreted as process cards: twos represent choices or partings, threes indicate journeys, fours signal stability or endings, and fives highlight emotional gains and losses. The show stresses that tarot is not about rigid predictions but about personal reflection and action. Upside-down cards are seen as paused opportunities, not negative omens, and readers are encouraged to stay grounded in their own intuition. The key advice is to start with simple, traditional meanings, write them down, and trust personal insight over online interpretations or overly detailed books. The episode concludes with a call to engage with others’ readings to see how basic meanings connect, and to remain open to life’s fluidity—where choices and actions shape outcomes. Tarot, as taught here, is a tool for awareness, not destiny.
Hello, and we're going to the search for truth.
And in today's episode, it is part 1.
Part 1 indeed.
Oh yeah, now we've done our tarot for beginners, haven't we?
We have indeed done that, yeah.
So if you are a brand new novice to the tarot, tarot tarot, you can make it tomorrow,
yeah, then please do feel free to look at our first episode of this.
Yeah, have a look, it's interesting.
Yeah, because in that we discuss the tarot itself, tarot for beginners, by your first
pack, what to do, there's a lot of that.
Or the mythology, should you buy your own patch and do that first pack of giving to you,
blah, blah, blah.
All of those.
The code all of that.
Yeah, so this is part 1 of the minor arcana.
The minor arcana?
Yes, indeed.
Now, in our first episode, we talked about, if you are brand new to the tarot, then get
a pack of cards, you can get playing cards if you like, I mean, the only thing there's
52 in playing cards, they're missing the four pages, but the rest will relate to the other
of the minor arcana.
In fact, I think also the minor arcana is really the nitty gritty of tarot, I think you know,
you've got the major arcana, the 22 major arcana, and they're kind of the big things.
Yeah.
I think people often forget.
I mean, you can't read the tarot cards just from the 22 major arcana.
Yes, you can.
But the minor arcana, I think, brings you that level of detail, sophistication, if you
like.
Yeah.
So what we're going to do in these parts of our podcasts and our video, YouTube channel,
is that we're going to give the very, very basics of what some of these cards mean.
Absolutely.
You know, I've been reading cards for, well, when I grew up reading cards, my parents taught
me, their parents taught them, mainly on my father's side, and back and back and back.
And it's not exclusive.
No.
And so many people get keep on this, don't they?
Yeah, they do.
You know, you can't do the tarot cards unless you've done this.
So in our very first episode, our advice, and as we've said before, well, you know,
it would never claim to be experts on things, for this minor perspective, from our experience,
not with the minor arcana here, and be prepared to destroy your first pack.
And what we mean by that is get each of the cards, all right, two or three basic things
on the meanings.
And that's how you can begin, because there are so many books out there on the tarot
tarot that are far too in detail about things, and by the time you've read on one card,
you thought, well, I've forgotten all of that.
So we're going to start with just some very, very basic meaning.
Absolutely.
We're going to be an academic coaching university.
Exactly.
So this is if you're a novice, then this is how you can start to learn from our perspective,
what we believe, what we've been raised to believe the meanings of the tarot tarot.
Do you know when it comes to the tarot cards, though, I don't think there is such a thing
as an obvious in the next, but I think the cards speak on so many different levels to
some of the different people, whether you're a beginner, whether you've been doing it for
40, 50 years.
Yeah, you're constantly learning.
Yeah, if you keep it simple, please keep it simple.
With the basics, so the beginning, let's talk about the four suits, okay?
Okay.
So you've got the ones, the pentacles, the cups, and the swords, and they're in playing cards
terms like spades, blah, blah, blah, blah, okay, ones, you have to tell people, ones are
clubs.
Yeah.
Pentacles are diamonds.
Yes.
Cups are hearts, and swords are spades, okay.
So the four suits.
So in the tarot, okay, ones are often about batons, staves, whatever it is in that particular
part.
Ones are often about movement.
Well, this is what all kinds of people start to disagree, don't they?
Yeah.
People say that ones are about money.
Yeah.
But they're with coins.
They're with coins.
Yes, exactly.
We're saying if you want to, listen to this.
If you completely disagree with us, that's fine, but this is from our perspective.
So ones are often about movement in terms of the term of the year, they're often about
autumn as well.
Yeah.
So start with that.
Do you want to make a note?
Start with that.
Okay, do you?
Yes.
I always see them as they do.
Movement change, things like that, autumn, if you want to talk about the time of the year,
and also sometimes health, as well.
Yeah.
It can be.
Pentacles, you probably already guessed, he's often about money, and about--
In my family, it is.
In your family, it is.
Yes.
But in other people, I've heard them say it's not.
No, but that's fun.
When we're telling you--
We're going to go from our traditional point of view, and we're going to go from what
we know and what we were raised to know.
Let's see what we know.
Yeah.
So Pentacles often about money in Korea.
Yeah.
So if you want to make some very--
Fine.
These are very basic meanings, okay?
Yeah.
We're not going to get into complexity, see?
Yeah.
We're not writing an essay here.
No, we're just writing down basic meanings, because this is tarot for beginners, very
beginning.
Cups are often about emotions and love.
Yes.
But it very basically.
And swords really about challenges, I would say.
Difficulties, challenges.
Obstacles, absolutely.
That doesn't mean they're all negative, okay?
Because there's very--
Because you can't always have positive, can you?
No.
No.
No one else have a good day.
But I have some ideas.
It's not like that.
We're not living in the disaffirm.
Oh, and also, timing's the year.
I'm not.
Princess.
Tell me it's the year.
So, oh, gums are often autumn.
Pentacles are often spring.
Spring.
So that's the four suits, the very basic, really, okay?
We can get into complexity to do what we're not going to.
So, the first cards of the minor are corner, are the aces.
Yes.
So, very basically, aces are about newness, aren't they?
Yeah.
They're almost about the beginning of something, aren't they?
Or the end to come?
Because aces are one or eleven, aren't they?
Yeah, in the play.
Yeah.
And you'll know if you're playing cards and you play games and cards are aces are often
one or eleven.
Yeah.
I know it's one or eleven.
My dad used to play cards a lot.
Yeah.
He used to go, aces high, low takes and things like that, aces low or whatever, are these
little phrases?
Really, importantly, aces.
In my family, we use them for timing.
Yes.
I mean, you all do as well.
Yeah.
So, the space of three are often, if it's one aces, on the same.
They're two aces, six.
Yeah.
So, three, if it's one aces, three days, three weeks, three months, three years, can't
it?
It's never three years.
Just the first two.
No.
Yeah, it doesn't tend to be quicker than that, isn't it?
But if you've got two aces, then obviously, double it's six, and then three is not, and
so on and so on.
So, aces.
So, they're conditional, because two aces together is also reunionistic.
Yeah.
And then.
So, it's conditional that you connect to this and this, to make that time and that.
Yeah.
And that's when we got started.
And to numbers are different if you get four aces in a row.
But we're keeping it simple.
We're not complicated.
We're keeping it simple.
Yeah.
Because we're simple.
We are.
So, that's aces.
Yeah, they do.
Yeah, they do.
Listen, non of the tarot, when you read the tarot, non of them, in my opinion, this is my
opinion, I don't know if you agree or disagree, non of them are going to go, right?
This is going to happen.
So, you know, stay at home, because it's all going to come to you.
Well.
It doesn't happen.
Life is not like that.
No.
It can show sort of pathways of things.
Yeah.
And it often goes, if you choose to do this.
Well, I've been quiet just to take part.
It doesn't actually.
Of course it does.
Yeah.
You have to take part of life.
You can't sit there and expect to be fed.
Yeah.
You know, no one's going to pay bills.
You have to get out there and you have to work and you have to do something to get something
to pay bills.
Yeah.
There's a phrase in your family that I love, though, about all the tarot cars, you do just
use this on psychic nights.
Yeah.
It's fine.
It's fine.
I'm still for you all the time.
Well, yeah.
But I still love for you, I think.
And that is, no tarot car is without home.
Yeah.
We're talking about sour, something like the tower and the devil and stuff like that.
It's for me, believe it or not.
It's for me.
It doesn't mean it's not because no card is without home.
- No, the warnings aren't there usually.
- We always say opportunity to change.
- No, you're a long time.
We always say cards are a bit like magic.
It's where you take it to the dark place
or you take it to a bright place.
The choice is always yours.
It's like magic.
Magic has no colour into it.
Passes through the hands which use it.
We give it the colour.
And we give our life the meaning,
'cause it's the flavour and the colour
by the actions that we take.
- Yeah, that's a really good point actually.
- So Aces talking about potential,
let me give you an example.
Now this is the Juliet Sharman Burke pack.
- A very pretty pack.
- This is a very pretty pack.
You probably can't see it.
- Quite simple.
- Go look it up.
But all the tarot decks will have different pictures on them.
Okay, it's not the same.
Okay, but here's an example.
So on this pack, it's like a hand.
This is the Aesopentacles.
It's a hand presenting from the universe,
or God, if you like.
- The sky.
- From the sky, somewhere we'll know.
presenting a big coin, the Ace of Pentacles. So that's what it's saying. Here is an opportunity, here is a potential
for me. Yes. So this is this is a potential for this. So binding that down and looking at the bottom of the pop. What is the Ace of coins?
Gosh, what has got so many meanings? I'm going to try and keep it really simple and it's really difficult to tell.
I remember being in the Marseille pack, we were probably when I was 14. I remember getting the book and it's a gift of legacy and engagement.
- Yeah.
- Which I think is very true of that,
- Yes.
- You know, more so, French, but I think really,
to me, my family, the Ace of Coins is about focus.
- Yes, yeah, focus.
- It's the word, it's focus.
- The crystallization of plants and ideas, yeah, absolutely.
- Yeah.
So that's the Ace of Pentacles, you want to run that down?
- Yeah, I don't want to make it complicated for you,
but it's a diamond.
So the Ace of Coins, it's, look at it as a diamond
and a diamond has many facets.
- Yes.
- And we are all different things to different people
at different times.
So it's telling you that you may have to turn the facets of the diamond, who you are, and show a different face of who you are, because things are changing.
you're quite rapidly. So it is focus because there is change. I'm going to allow you to give the
rightness on your card at the top. Or change focus on your wantsonies and the final one I'm
going to leave to you. Crystallization I think. Focused moments of clarity. Yeah. Potential.
Off. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. And if you just stick with those three basic, you know, if you're
doing a reading for somebody, you'll find that that, if that comes out, you'll be absolutely right.
Yeah. Yeah. So ace of cups. The loving cups. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's got several different
meanings, because both times my family read and they read in very different ways. Yeah.
One's moreish, one's melisian, so one's much more harder than the other. So the ace of cups,
what you want, you're asking me? Well, to me, it's the cup that overflow. It's a corner coat. Yeah.
Yeah. Um, so without wanting to. But again, it's potential. You will have the potential to be in
this for everything that you want. It's also marriage. Yes. But you've got to remember the word
marriage comes from the French word "mariage", which is contract. The contract, isn't it? So it
doesn't mean you can have a marriage of flavour, there's a marriage of colours, a marriage of many
different things. Yeah. So if you're looking for it in a traditional sense, yes, it is marriage,
but also it means there's very shortly there's going to be a marriage, there's going to be a contract,
there's going to be a blending taking place. But it's the cornucopia. It's my cup flow of over.
Yeah. When cards are upside down, we both, our families have the same thing,
which you tell them what that means. Yeah, a lot of people you'll read this on the internet
will say it's positive or negative. We don't always believe that and quite frequently. We don't
believe that. It's not activated yet. It's paused. It's paused. Or it's a watered down version
if it's a side down. Yeah, that's some card can every weekend, but it can be watered down. It can be watered
down. Yeah. You're not quite there yet. It's saying if you take certain actions with all the cards,
if they were upside down, if you take certain actions, this can come about listening with negative,
as well. Yeah. If it's upside down and it's saying the ace of sorts, it means there's arguments
and troubles come in, but you can evoke those, you can evoke those troubles if you take action
and do this now. Yes, yeah, definitely. Yeah. So ace of sorts, let's speak of upright. Yeah.
It can be a talking of health. Yes. It can be like operations. It can be in a scalpel's operations
if you're tall. Government building which is hospital. Yeah. Hospitals or the official
world field, official does a good word if you want to write one word. But it's also the surgeon's
scalpel. Yes, operations. But it can mean operating on yourself. Yes. You've got to cut into
yourself and fight to cut out spiritually. Yeah, spiritually emotionally. You've got to cut out
the badness. You've got to take out the tumour whether that's spiritual or that's emotional.
Mental, you've got to, you've got to take it out. The ace of sorts, my father and wonderful phrase
with that card is the heart of the prune, the great of the bloom. So the more you cut back,
when you cut back the roses, and you've got to suck well as you've cut them right back to the
ground. Next year, the root strengthen. Yes. And next year you'll have bigger, brighter,
more fragrant blooms. Yeah. So it's really about getting rid of the things that no longer
needed. It's also called its situational circumstantial death. Right. Yeah. Not physical. Yeah.
Just that you're getting rid of the crap that you're getting rid of the things that your life
that you no longer need. Yeah. It's circumstantial. Also, you had a phrase with it as well,
which you never call it this. So it's called it folio. Yeah. I've told you before. No, I don't think
you've told me. Yeah, it's called it folio. It's folio. It's folio. But you can say the word,
because it's Irish. You're in a very heavy accent, but it's folio. It's folio. It's folio. It's folio,
which is folio. Yeah. It means leaf. Leaf, yeah. Which means turning the page. Oh, yeah.
So it's turning the page. It's a new chapter is about to begin within the space of three. Okay,
yes. Three days, three weeks, three months. Yeah. It's a magic three isn't it? Yes. And the
eights of ones. Newtons at night. Newtons at night was always its tradition. Letters. So you might
receive it in this day. You might not receive it in a text or a phone call at night time. Does
you don't want it? Yeah. It can also mean holding a torch for someone. You don't carry the flame.
For somebody that's in the past, that you've not let go of. Yeah. And you say trouble folds of
paper, don't you? Yeah. We, in my friend, we say trouble for official paper, of tracks. That's
contrast of this on out. Yeah. So, and then we're rushing here. We're getting the basics out.
Good. The basics. Feel free to pause and write these down. Yeah. If you so wish, you know,
if that's what you want to start with, you might, we don't be put off. Yeah. Don't be put off by
long. Just start with these basics, basic words. But ask yourself what the card is telling you. Yeah,
that's kind of intuitive reading. Yeah. But we can start with that at the same time as learning
the basic meaning. Yeah. What's it trying to communicate to you? Okay. So, twos, twos pathways.
Yes. And I like, I'm going to quote Charles Dickens here. It makes me sound very well read,
doesn't it? I did not. It's from Remember It's Christmas Carol. Life is about meeting some
parties. And that is the way of it. Is that the tale of two cities? Well, he says, they say it in
a moment. It was a work in terms. It was the best of times. So, I don't know. Maybe they're
nicked it from a different child's, but now it's Charles Dickens. Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Didn't make you sound intelligent. It did, didn't it, for a moment. Just for a moment, just for a second.
Just for a moment. Yeah. But I think that's what, to me, that's what twos are about. To meeting some
parties. Yeah. Yeah. For the together going apart. Well, twos are the number of pathways. Yes.
You know, four is as well, two is the crossroads and so the two is the number of pathways.
So, two of, oh, one of I got in my part, two of swords. No. Some words.
Yeah, I don't know what you can say, but anyway, and this, remember, all tarot decks are different,
but in this one, she's holding two swords. There's an angle across swords, and she's kind of in
stalemate. Okay. For our podcast listeners, by the way, please do feel free to go and look at
different pictures. I think there are more pictures you see. Yeah.
Of different parts. I think originally, though, this picture comes from the, you know,
this is the sign of ISIS slowness. Yeah. As opposed to this, it's the sign of ISISism from
the dead. So, it's mythology with the two has been slain as endings. Yes. So pathways are
coming to an end. Yeah. Now, you say walking away with haste, don't you? For the two of
us walking away with haste, yeah. Yeah. You don't want, no, nothing, I can't give any more to this.
I can't do any more. I've done all I can. When that shop assistant has peed you off because
they won't take back the faulty goods, and he notes within your actually, just until you touch
something you know are. Yeah. I've done all, I've done all I can with this. Before I carry you.
Yeah. I've done all I can with this, it's time to move away from situation. So, that's a parting.
It's a different pathway. It's very simple, because you need to look to the cards that's around it,
to suggest where it is. Always with all the cards. Is it a family member. Yes. Is it, you know,
your love? It's with yourself. Whereas coming, coming together card, I would say is perhaps
the two of cups. Yeah. I think I've got that somewhere. In this pack, a half. So, in this one,
it's two people meeting, and it's like the meeting for the first time. But you'll have to get like
the two of swords, which we've just talked about, you know, and then you get the two of cups and
often appear together. Yes. There's two concepts together. So, there's a parting of the ways and
it's ended. And then if you get the two of cups with that, because two twos in anyone spread,
the synergistic values of those cards indicate that that's the separate ways, and there will be
separate ways. When you get the two of cups, it means they'll be a reunion. Yes. And if you get the
one ace with that as well. Yeah. A red ace, not one of the not the ace of swords, but I knew the other
aces. It will mean that they will be a reunion. You will get back together with that person. Yes. Yeah.
So, it's a coming together. I mean, one of your phrases, which I really like, is two hearts
that beat apart should beat us one. That should beat us one. That's grandmother's phrase that was.
Yeah. And I know people believe different things with beaters one. You can see that, and I've seen
that many, well, let them believe what they want. I can tell you whether I was raised with. Yeah.
Two hearts that beat apart that should beat us one. Yes. Life often pulls people away from each other.
It does. Circumstance. Yeah. And it isn't always that simple. This should beat us one. It doesn't mean
that we'll beat us one. They've got two people who want together. You have sole partners, sort of, you know,
the beat. Yeah. No, but this should be. This should be because you're absolutely suited.
Yes. Circumstances and situations that are on your way from each other. Look to the cards around it.
To guide what needs to be said and what needs to be done. Okay. So two of ones.
Yeah. Again, we're back to contracts with them as well. You know, you're back to two people
agreeing on something. It's usually an agreement. Yeah. That contract can be a wedding contract.
It can be a work contract. It can be. But we do with houses. It often appears when we want to buy
in houses. Yes. The often appears when somebody's buying a car. Yes. That's a contract if it's on,
you know, I see the two of ones as well as like a process. It's starting, but it's not quite.
We're not quite. It's moving in the right direction. Yes. But we're not quite sure where
things are going to go. So when I say that card, I often say to me, you are moving in the right
direction. Just keep on doing what you're doing. You're doing what you're doing at the moment. You may not
think is working, but it is working. Oh, it's just going to say some of it appears when there's
slumped doubts about, well, am I going in the right way? Am I going in the right way? Am I doing
the right thing? I've made these initial ideas to start something or do this or whatever, but am I?
When good things are happening, we're always in doubt. Yeah. And that's facing anything good in
this world. Never came easy. So you're going to have to fight for it. Yeah. And if anybody tells you
any differently, they're lying. Yeah. And so, you know, the two of ones is very much like you are
moving in the right direction. Things have probably been very, very hard. Keep doing that. Keep
going. Because you know, actually on the right path. Last little pentacles? Well, it's always like
business and finance can agree with you. It's a kind of career in business. Yeah. It can be equal
minded. Yeah. It can be equal minded person to yourself. It's always particularly asking
a question about love and relationships and that arise and you'll meet something similar
to your. Yes. It's about clarity. Yeah. Again, it's, again, you look to the cards that are
around. Yeah. It's an agreement. It's financial agreement. It means, you know, within two years,
being getting a job that you really want.
You may start off as a cleaner, but you're going to end up as the CEO is that sort of card is a long term investment.
It can be that the person is currently in two minds about something.
So really I think when you boil that card down it's decisions and it's based on finances.
Yes, it's kind of a life in getting a life in balance as well.
So in some of the depictions on the cards you find is juggling things and that's sort of a little bit about it.
No, we always juggling.
Always, but more financing based.
Yes, but if I don't, if I get my hot water bottle for a few nights and cut down on my gas it's not that I'll be able to buy those Gucci shoes.
Yes, it's about it.
It's all about joking for you.
Or the Christmas is going on and then you've got kids and they want presents.
So I'm going to have to cut back on.
Yes.
Certainly.
So, three's.
Three's.
Three's.
What about them?
Well, I see them as kind of like a process.
Yeah, they're on the process.
It's a good journey to go through.
Yeah.
And what I mean by that is like for example really quickly like the three of wands as tears.
Yeah.
So that's a period of sadness.
Yeah, it's always kind of beginning to say three six times.
Yeah.
It's magical.
Yeah.
Trinity.
Pentacles is like three bright things.
Three bright things.
It's a little good.
For the years out.
Yeah.
And three three of cups, three emotional challenges.
Yeah.
You have to go through.
Affairs of the heart.
Yeah, not having an affair, but you know.
The affairs that concern heart.
Yes.
Which comes to other people's interpretations.
I saw around the line.
In tarot books, you'll read an affair card and it's not.
But does it so?
Yes.
I steer away from reading.
I don't.
Yeah.
I like to torture myself because I like to read tarot forums.
No, I don't.
Tarot forums.
Tarot forums.
And I tell you what I do with it.
Do you know that you just talking to me.
My father used to forbid us from reading books.
Yeah.
I don't.
I'm interested.
It's a little crunchier.
I don't know if I believe different.
There's a morbid fascination.
Yeah.
With our half.
And only because 98% of the time, I think it's a little rubbish,
with this 2% where I go.
Oh, that's interesting.
Yeah.
Or the stolen fragments.
Yes.
There's moments where I go.
That's interesting.
And that's why it's so funny.
Yeah.
So I have a morbid fascination.
But anyway, so yes, in some books and on the internet,
you'll read the three of cups.
It's sometimes an affair card.
Yeah.
I disagree.
it's a fairs of the heart. I think you see the Three of Swords, it usually means a third person
intervention does some kind in a negative way. And Three of Swords, I. But that could be your mother
disagreeing with the relationship that either person you have in a relationship could be assisted not
like in your husband, it could be your work colleague, not like in your work, it's, you know,
how you and your work colleague worked together, sorry, it's always a third person.
Yeah, and I think the three of us can sometimes be grief, can be like funeral, sometimes,
again, a process, you've got to go through a heartbreak of some sort that you've got to go through,
so it's just the process card. Oh, it's process, I think. Yeah, we've rushed through that,
But I mean, we're the basics.
- Simple cards, I tell you.
- Yeah.
- There was always a danger, isn't it,
that we will overcomplicate things.
- Yeah.
- That we will, and that's what card reads to do,
and that's not what we're doing on our podcast.
- No, these are just the basics, remember.
- You can layer the stuff later on,
you know, and you've learned the basics.
- Just learn the basics.
- You'll actually layer the stuff, anyway.
You'll read something somewhere, you'll read a book,
or you'll think, "Oh, this sounds interesting."
You'll adopt it into your philosophy of what cards mean.
- Yeah, so, and again, in our opinion,
you just write down these basics that we're from our perspective.
They're what chapters, you know, what verse, you don't want, you know, whole tunes, you know.
No, and by all means, once you've written, if you want to do this,
and you've written all of these things, then you disagree with this, that's absolutely fine.
Yeah.
You do, you do.
Jogging?
Yeah.
So, fours?
Fours.
Well, in my family, they represent beds.
Yes.
In its simplest terms.
So you can guess what the fall of Copsie.
- Well, it's the love bed.
- The love bed.
- Often known as the marriage,
but the love bed actually refers to the bed of life,
which is, as my father used to say,
it's like you've dug the ground, you've killed the soil,
you've taken out the stones,
you've taken out the weeds and used to make a bed,
didn't that?
- Yeah.
- I've fertilized it.
And now whatever you plant is gonna grow.
- Yeah.
- And you're gonna have big fruits on that.
- Yeah.
- As you've taken the time to put down the basics
and get the basics right, which is what we're saying.
- Yeah.
- But it is also the marriage bed.
- Yes.
Yeah, it is also the love bed is the bed of life where life is actually going to go well for some time.
Yeah, so, yeah, I mean the four of Cups as well can be about intimacy, shall we say?
Yeah, it can be, then you've got to get some personality with the five and not to complicate things with either the five of Cups is often passion or is often. Camping, yeah.
Yeah, but I mean, it is the love bed, it is about, you know, some people just want the pleasure, don't they?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
again you've got to see what all the cards are so handy yeah if you're getting the
three of cups and you know the king of whatever the other king's really getting the
four cups of the year and you're getting a lot of you know but there's always one card that
tends to appear with them which is the eight of swords which is also known for dishes the debauchery
card is it debauched well your idea of debauchery might not be mine but it certainly means that
that somebody in this floor will fall pleasure.
- Yes.
- Just a pleasure.
- Not everybody wants a relationship.
- No, no.
- Some people are very hedonistic.
- And everybody, you do you.
- Yeah, you do you.
If you're looking for love and that's from passion,
that's fine, but if you're looking for sex
and excitement, that's another matter altogether.
- Yeah.
- Just make sure that what you're looking for
is the person you meet as long as the same thing.
- Be honest about it.
- Be honest, yeah, be upfront to be honest.
- Yeah. - And then shame in that.
- Yeah, so all the bad.
So the four of ones is often, we will say, the sick bed.
- Sick bed.
- No, it can be illness, but it can be,
when I say, sickening, it can be a sickening force
or anything, or anything else.
- What do you need in your life right now?
- Yes.
- It's gonna make you feel better.
- Yeah.
- But often it's also hospital investigation, blood test,
and it's like that.
It's just a sick bed, cause it's not a disease card.
- No.
- It's a sickening.
- Yeah, and it can be as simple as like,
not actually physically being ill, but wanting, emotionally sick.
Yeah, mentally sick. Yeah, physically sick. There's so many types of sickness, isn't it?
Yeah, financially sick, you can be, it's just showing you that there's a sickling and
when there's a sickling, it's asking you what you crave in your life right now. What
you need to make that you feel better. Yeah. Is that money? Is that romance? Is that your
health? Is that so? Then you can explore the other cards. Yeah. And you can just say that
to a client, you know, there's a sickling here in this area, one of these areas of your
life and they'll usually tell you. Yeah, so four sorts. The deathboat. Yes, now on this depiction,
it really is, it's in a tomb, but like I say, that way mentioned at the beginning of this episode,
I always say no card is without hope. So in this pack, in the corner, there's a window and there's
a half to the lightest shining through. Now, sometimes it can mean literal death. Yeah,
Well, the times it may be a death of a situation.
Certainly.
Yeah, and also I said, I don't know if you agree with this.
That's quite interesting, because doing that more often, they're not in too much self.
In too, yes.
Yeah, and sometimes we, in too much mind, we in too much heart, we in too ourselves.
Yeah.
And sometimes I said, I don't know if you believe in this as well, it's a period of kind of like rest or you'll need to rest.
Yes, you'll be forced to rest.
You'll be forced to rest.
The universe is saying rest if you don't know you're doing too much.
And if not, not saying you're going to die, but you'll be forced to rest, okay.
I guess it's like if you're coming on, when you're not feeling very well and you keep going,
you keep going, you keep going.
And sometimes you end up more than a few, yeah, and more than if you've just taken that one
day off.
Listen to your body.
Listen to your heart.
Listen to your mind.
Listen to your soul.
If you're feeling it, and you soul, listen to that.
Yeah.
Because the four of us is the deathbed card.
Yeah.
We are coming to an end of something.
Yes.
Now, you can gladly and willfully take part in that change and that ending.
or you can fight against it, you can rage against the storm, but it's coming.
Yeah, exactly. That's what we talked about, the salt's often being warning us.
They are warnings, but warnings, you know, things can be changed, the future is not set.
Well, that's a lie. Certain things are where we are meant to be.
But the vast majority of the future exists in a state of flux.
Yeah, we're human, we have choices.
Yeah, we're free will above all of the creatures on this planet, we have free will.
Yeah, I think there are certain things that are set in terms of where you're meant to be at a certain,
but that's a podcast run at the time, really, you know, and the four pentacles. Right, covering.
Yeah, so we've got the opposite of the death memory. Yeah, one of these is because all fours,
it's actually, I don't know if that goes back to the four corners of my bed. Yes.
Oh yeah, fours are also about, you know, four necks on a chair. It's stability stable.
It's obviously two fours are stable. Three fours are extra stability. Four fours is complete.
It's stability in what you're doing and what you're going to. So fours represents stability.
Oh, I've just remembered four or ones we didn't say can also be short-wield drive cars.
I think it's a fairs of the heart.
Keep your information to yourself.
Tell nobody anything about your business.
- Yes.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- So you want us to know your business
and that business is going to be spread
and that'll be gossip like two queens as well.
- Yeah.
- And so, yeah, be careful with the five of stores
because it's human emotion
and it can show that you maybe experience those
want, need and lust and desire
and all of them going through a whole range.
- Yeah.
- And if you get two, five together or even three,
five together, it's a quick thing.
- Quickening, yeah.
- It's happening very, very quickly
but she's actually a really good thing
which could have two, a dark five.
- Yeah.
- You know, the five of stores and the five of ones,
but they're good.
I mean, the dark cards, it means
that things are going to happen very quickly
for you to be prepared.
- Yeah.
Found pentacles, gain all of them sometimes, can't it be?
- Yeah, the five pentacles,
they're all about gains and losses
with human emotions, aren't they?
If you can be, you know, look at what you've gained
and not what you've lost.
Which kind of ties in with the five of cops.
- Yeah, one of my favorite cards actually, the five of cops.
And I know that sounds a bit odd
because a lot of pictures represent somebody clothed
in that they'll look as though they're in mourning
and they are looking towards the. - They are in mourning.
- Yeah.
- I think you've seen in a lot of time.
- Yeah, the three cops that are falling over.
- Because they've been weeping what they've lost.
- Yes.
- Not what's been gained.
- But behind them is the two cops still standing up.
- Yeah, three, usually.
- Oh, it might, yeah, and in this one there's three lying down
and two standing up.
- Oh, there's a three-spilt one.
- Yeah.
- But even if you've lost three, you've still got two.
- Yes.
And also in this watch I'm really like and often say
this to people who read it and said,
"There's a bridge in the background."
In other words, build a bridge and get over it.
- Yeah, get over yourself.
- But he's really about, yeah, as you said,
gains and losses, what do you think?
- Yeah, I get used to it.
- And you know what, you will live between points
in this world of pleasure or of pain
and I try to live between points of pleasure.
- Yeah.
- And I don't dwell, I try not to dwell.
- Yeah.
- You know, we've all had losses, we've all had pain,
we've all had probably a lot of health conditions
and stuff and you know, you look at your life
and I try and live through the positives,
what I've gained in life because that card is exactly that.
Look at what you've got, not what you've lost.
- Yeah.
- Basically, because if you would stop for one moment
and look at all the bad things that happen
in your life and what you lost.
- That's all you see.
- Yeah.
- You collapse really because the weight of that
is kind of unbearable.
- People do, they are miserable and they live in the misery
because they identify with the pain.
They've allowed that pain to become part of who they are.
- Yeah.
- Well, I refuse to.
- Yeah.
No, look at what's still there.
- Yeah.
- Those two cups that are still standing up.
- Should you have somebody that's got the five of cups
and appears in the reading,
tell them to look at what they've got.
- Yeah.
- That was lost.
- Yeah.
- And you know what?
They'll probably still want to look at what they've lost
or what they've gained.
- Yeah.
- Well.
- And that's fine.
- You did what you would have to do.
You told them what the card meant.
- Yeah.
- Rest is up to none.
You can't save people in this world.
- No.
And I think we, that's where that phrase comes in.
Hyundai is like saying,
well, you can be down, but don't stay there.
- Don't stay there.
Be down.
Be down for a while.
- Have that time where you need to cry.
You need to do whatever.
- Fine.
- Don't stay there.
- No, don't.
- Yeah.
- It's fine to cry, but you know, take that moment
and then go, right now, come on.
Off we go.
- If you want to sit in the darkness,
the darkness will love it.
- Yeah.
- Don't stay there. - Now reach for the light.
- Yeah.
And the last one in the five is the five or one's.
- Yeah, that's certain.
I mean, for me, that's a fluidity card.
As far as human emotion is,
it shows that things are moving in a fluidic way.
- Yeah.
- You know, things are moving forward.
It's not stagnated.
You've often have gone through a period of stagnation.
But now everything's going to begin to move.
It's the halfway card between five and,
between one and five and one and 11,
if we're using the Aces.
So it's that you're at the halfway mark key going.
- I also see it's sometimes it could be invitations.
- Yeah, it's invitations, yeah.
- And sometimes it might be like,
people ask you, you come up for a drink.
Let's go to a pop-up, let's go.
This is like, say yes.
- I did pop-up sessions the other day as well.
I actually was somebody that said,
"Oh, well, I've got these invitations."
Well, it wasn't thinking of, I said, "Yeah."
But, you know what, I remember having this conversation
with you before, and you've been invited,
and then you keep saying, "No, people are gonna stop asking."
- Yes, they do.
- People are gonna stop asking because it's like,
you don't wanna go.
The best thing to do, even if it's to a barbecue
or it's to a party or out for, you know, a few drinks and you say,
"No," or the time you have it, if it was,
you know, they're gonna stop asking.
- Yeah.
- And this is where we were talking about showing work
on another podcast.
Sometimes you have to do things that you don't necessarily want to do.
- Yeah.
- But it's to the benefit of everybody that you do it, really.
- Yes, and sometimes you're like, surprise yourself.
- Yeah.
- 'Cause fire's gonna be about surprises, actually.
- Well, I think some of the best ones I've ever had out
is when I didn't wanna go out.
- Yeah, so I can't be bothered,
but you don't wanna go anywhere.
- I'll go anywhere.
- Yeah, I'll go anywhere.
And then have a great time, yeah, exactly.
And so, yeah, that's five or one.
- Yeah.
- At least at the halfway mark.
- It's time to do it.
- Yeah, so next episode will carry on.
- We will carry on, but I think the most important message,
as you've already said, is to keep it simple,
be prepared to trash your first pack of tarot cards.
- Yeah, right.
Some of these that we've talked about on the cards.
- Right, three meanings on the top,
- Yeah.
- And it's on the bottom.
And don't be bothered by cards that are upside down.
It doesn't alter the meaning.
It just pauses the event.
- Yeah.
- So, the thing is, when you do a tarot card within this,
you will try and make sense of what you're saying, don't.
- No.
- Just, it's like catchphrasing in the UK.
Say what you say.
- Yeah, exactly.
- And I'll go, "Well, I don't wanna know what that means."
And it's like, "Well, I don't care."
And I've always had a phrase which I get from my father
who used to say, "I don't care."
- Yeah.
- I'm not interested whether you can relate to what I'm saying,
but I need you to remember what I've said.
- Yes, exactly.
- That's the important thing.
- Remember that I've said it.
- I'm not interested in what I've said, write it down.
- Yes.
- In my family, we don't record for legal reasons.
- Yeah.
- And I don't record reasons.
- No, but you can write it down.
That's what you used to say.
- Yeah.
- Don't care whether you believe it.
- Yeah.
- You need to remember it.
- Yeah, I've been asked that before.
Can I record it?
- No.
And I always think it's a bad sign when it's like it says,
"Yeah, you can be good."
'Cause I say fault.
- Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
- But, you know, the complications of life
is that we often see that people,
you know, their brothers have another affair with. - It's personal, it's personal, yeah, and that's one of the things
I say, I said, look, yeah.
I don't know what's gonna come out, yeah.
- I don't record.
If you don't record, if you're a psychic, kind of,
go ahead and do it.
- Yeah, you do, you know, I'm gonna do me.
- Yeah.
- So, right, those basic meanings down,
that's where what we would say is to start with that.
- Yeah, definitely.
- And then speaking about tariff forums
and things like that, use them in terms of learning to read.
- And if it's comfortably in your soul, go with it.
- Yeah, so I would say, look,
because there's stuff on several different,
the internet and on Facebook and all the social media,
where people will put their cards out there.
So, ignore the comments that people have said.
As a good way of learning, isn't it?
If you look at some of the people's cards that they've picked,
and then, like, go, right,
why are these basic meanings that I've got?
So, if I put those together,
what do I then feel that they link?
I think it's a good way to start.
Because you shouldn't read for yourself.
We talked about that and we talked about that in the first episode.
And reading for friends is very difficult.
- Well, we might find we don't read for people I know.
- You can't read for yourself in great terms of meaning.
You can only pick three cards.
- Yeah, but we're talking a little bit about that.
- There's a whole ritual that goes with that.
We do that on another podcast.
- Yeah, we talked a little,
we've talked about that briefly in the first,
yeah, in the basics one.
But I would say, just look at some people's what they picked.
- Yes.
- That's a good way to start and then go,
what do they mean to me?
- Yeah.
- That's a really good way to start.
- That's a fantastic way to put it.
Yeah, I would particularly agree with that.
- Yeah.
So hopefully, we've not bought you too much.
And you are interested.
Join us for the next part.
Well, we'll start working from the six as onwards.
- Six, two.
Well, we've got quite a few to go, aren't we?
- Yeah, we have, right, to the kings with just doing it.
What, yeah, exactly.
- But, give us a like.
Give us a let us know what you think.
- Yeah.
- Messages if you want a particular subject.
- We're in a particular card discussed a little bit more
from a traditional point of view, as well as a lot of this point of view.
- Yeah, there's something that we said on one of the cards.
And you said, and you want to ask us a question about it.
- Or you send us an email.
- If those cards have come with a certain code,
'cause that will change that, for instance, 16 next to a five changes.
- Yes.
- A queen next to a Jack will change that.
- Yeah.
- And there's some synergistic values of the cards.
- Yeah, but drop us an email on quest.research for truth at gmail.com
or you can find us on Facebook or Instagram.
- And we've got the podcast go in, and I'm glad you're ready.
- Yeah, blah, blah, blah, official fix.
- And hopefully we'll see you again next time.
- Bye for now.
- Bye bye.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The minor arcana provides detailed, practical insights into daily life, complementing the broader symbolic nature of the major arcana.
The four suits—pentacles, cups, swords, and wands—represent money, emotions, challenges, and movement, respectively, with core meanings rooted in tradition and personal experience.
Aces symbolize new beginnings, potential, and change, with specific associations like movement (autumn), focus (pentacles), emotional overflow (cups), and personal transformation (swords).
Numbered cards like twos represent choices, partings, or reunions; threes indicate a process or journey; fours signify stability or endings; fives reflect gains, losses, and emotional balance.
Tarot readings should remain simple and intuitive, focusing on basic meanings before overcomplicating with interpretations or online forums.
Upside-down cards do not negate meaning but suggest delay, pause, or emotional blockage, requiring action to activate change.
The core message is to start with foundational, personal interpretations and trust your own intuition rather than relying on external sources.
Tarot reflects human free will—life changes are not fixed, and individuals shape outcomes through actions and choices.
Summary:
This episode introduces the basics of the minor arcana in tarot, designed for beginners. It emphasizes simplicity over complexity, focusing on foundational meanings of the four suits—pentacles (money, focus), cups (emotions, love), swords (challenges), and wands (movement, change). The aces are presented as symbols of potential and new beginnings, with each suit linked to specific life areas.
Numbered cards are interpreted as process cards: twos represent choices or partings, threes indicate journeys, fours signal stability or endings, and fives highlight emotional gains and losses. The show stresses that tarot is not about rigid predictions but about personal reflection and action. Upside-down cards are seen as paused opportunities, not negative omens, and readers are encouraged to stay grounded in their own intuition.
The key advice is to start with simple, traditional meanings, write them down, and trust personal insight over online interpretations or overly detailed books. The episode concludes with a call to engage with others’ readings to see how basic meanings connect, and to remain open to life’s fluidity—where choices and actions shape outcomes. Tarot, as taught here, is a tool for awareness, not destiny.
FAQs
The four suits are Pentacles (money, material life), Cups (emotions, love), Swords (challenges, difficulties), and Wands (action, movement, growth). Each suit represents a different aspect of life and experience.
Aces represent new beginnings, potential, and change. They often signify a fresh start or a shift in timing, such as a new project, relationship, or life phase.
The Ace of Pentacles symbolizes focus, opportunity, and the crystallization of ideas. It suggests a time of growth, direction, and the need to adapt to change in one’s career or financial life.
Upside-down cards do not change the core meaning but indicate a pause, delay, or underdevelopment. They suggest the energy is not yet activated, or that the situation is watered down and needs action to evolve.
The Two of Cups represents a meeting or reunion, often between people in love or relationships. It suggests a potential for connection, bonding, or emotional harmony between two individuals.
The Four of Wands symbolizes celebration, completion, and stability, often indicating a period of peace or a successful conclusion. The Four of Pentacles represents financial stability, security, and a solid foundation in life or work.
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