Tara Raghuveer Returns

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I sometimes don't know how to be charming when it's gloomy. You're charming 100% of the time. What are you talking about? You've fallen right into my trap, sweetheart. Okay. Starting off on the right foot. If you have any criticisms, let's get them out at the top. I don't want them to sneak in during the episode. Okay. If there's anything you want to take me to the. I mean. mad about. major slumlord, let's start there. Yes. I'm not a landlord yet, but when I am, my tenants are in trouble. Yeah. It's happening. Well, because I want to maximize profit. Of course you do. And I don't care who gets hurt along the way. These studios keep getting nicer and nicer. Does that make sense? They keep getting paid less and less. Right. I keep seeing you build this empire. Sure. Yeah, I'm taking money away from the staff. I am. I'm building my empire on the backs of hardworking people. Yeah. Which is the American dream, by the way. It's what they've all done to get to the top. I grew up with nothing. I earned this. Sure. What's not clicking? Bootstraps. I see them all over you. You're wrapped in them. I have bootstraps everywhere. Yeah. Ugh. No, no, no. I'm going to be ethical. I do like to text you, though, sometimes and just test the limits and see what I can get away with. Yeah, true. You're kind of testy in the text messages every once in a while. Every once in a while. I go, I go, hey, this family on my block's getting evicted. Could I buy that building ethically? Oh, yeah. Kidding. Guys, I'm kidding. I don't do that. What's your perspective? You know, more people than you would expect hit me up for this kind of moral question every once in a while. I don't know how I became anointed as everyone's most moral friend. It's certainly not true. But I get hit with questions about this, that, and the other thing. Someone trying to secure some kind of unethical bag. Should I do it? And I'm literally always, my answer is like, get your bag, sweetie. And people sort of know that they're coming to me and they're going to get that. But I would never, yeah, there are very few things I think I would tell a friend, you cannot do that. Because ultimately, the problem's with the system. You know? I think you have a really good perspective. I think you are one of my, you're one of my North Stars not because I think you're like, I think it's because of that. I think because you have a really clear barometer for like, you're not doing the like, look, there's a not small enough number of leftists that I am friends with. And interact with in the world that are like, you're not a good enough leftist if you don't prescribe to their every single definition of every single word and issue. And they want to like, rake each other over the coals about it. And you don't participate in that. And I don't participate in that. So I know when I come to you, you're going to give it to me straight. And if I got a no from you on a question, if I was like, hey, this thing came up, should I do it? And you said no, I would really know. Like, that is not cool. Do you know what I mean? Totally, totally. Purity is boring and incorrect and incompatible with living life. And also, yeah, if you want people to take your opinion seriously, I feel like you can't, you can't always be in the, you know, this is the only right way zone. You have to be, you have to like, take someone's information in and give them feedback related to that situation. My hope is that people would actually take me seriously. If you actually were coming to me being like, this family down the street, they're getting evicted. I want to buy the building. They're all so loud as hell. I need them out of my space, whatever. I might be like, Kayla, that's so mean. And I would hope that you would take me seriously on that front. Yeah, I would. Yeah. What are we going to do about these leftists, Tara? What are we going to do about these leftists? You call me in on a Monday to answer this question. What are we going to do? I do feel, I don't know if you feel this or not, but I feel that the people that are the most like that, capital L, capital T, like the most like prescriptive, annoying, like unproductive, loud and hateful left people, they're also the ones doing the least. Yeah. Almost every time. And I'm like, how do you not see this? Yeah. All the time. All the time. I mean, I think we're in a moment where things are changing for the better. I mean, here we are sitting in New York City, Mamdani-stan. There's like a lot of people of the left who have figured out how to get really big stuff done. And I think they're demonstrating that there could be another way. And I think, I think I'm clocking people paying attention to that and moving in better directions than in the past. There's a little bit less infighting, a little bit less kind of keyboard warrior. It might just be that everyone got like locked out of their Twitter accounts by, you know, two-factor authentication or something. That's what happened to me. Oh, yeah. You're not on there anymore. Yeah, that's what happened to me. I can't see anything that's happening on Twitter. I can't tweet at all. So, you know, maybe people like me are just getting locked out of the kind of petty discourse. But I do think things are on the up. I think so. I'm seeing less. The number is still not small enough for me. I'd like it to be as close to zero as possible of the kind of sentiments that annoy me. It's not my job to educate you being a big one. I have never fucked with that. I do not like that at all. I think that is such losing behavior. But, yeah, there's less and less of it and I feel excited by that. Yeah, same. I think Mom Donnie has done a really good job of sticking to the fucking message. Sticking to the message and also he sees his job and I think good organizers and public people in general see their job as educating people. Actually, it's like being curious and educating people. That might be the whole point. And, you know, we've talked about this at length but it's like you've got to kind of assume that most people are good and I think you and I are people who assume that most people actually share our values and our views on the world but you've got to approach people with curiosity and bring them in to your vision a little bit if you want to win. And I think that's the main thing. Maybe the big evolution since we last sat and had a conversation like this is like I think now that the left has started to taste a little bit of what, winning tastes like people are like I want some more of that actually and thank God. It's about time. Let's go. Let's win. That's the point. Yeah. And also not just that most people should agree or do agree with our big points but like really trying to delineate between the big points and the small points and being like what really matters here? Like, do you need to be exactly like me? Do you need to talk the way I talk about everything? Do you need to like I've said many times like I don't really care if someone's like yeah, I don't care if I get married like I'm down with that. I'm legitimately cool with that. I'm like rock on. I think we just need to like we need to get really serious about winning where we can win and going that actually is a victory. Like that's a person who otherwise would be saying shouldn't be able to get married. It's not like the other version of them is that they don't say anything bad. It's like no, we need to like win where we can win, get excited about the things we have in common and like yeah, make it fun. I've been calling it inviting people to the party. Inviting people to the party. Everyone's invited to the party. We're having more fun over here. Yeah. Our view of the world is way more fun. Yeah. It's more fun to hang out with like all the, like I think about KC Tenants all the time and I go all these neighbors that I know now that would have never been brought into my life because you organized me are like this is a more fun way to live. Yeah. Not being racist and fucking like classist and like trying to always get one over on somebody and see how you can get ahead the most and how you can like isolate yourself from your community in the most like extreme ways possible. Not doing that stuff is the more fun way to be. And I do think the right is actually for a long time they've been much more inviting to the party. I mean like every mofo is invited to a party on the right. Yeah. They're not so concerned with consistency of belief with sort of coherence and ideology. They're really just concerned with having a ton of people at the party. Winning. Winning. Yeah. They're concerned with winning first and foremost and there's a lot of lessons I think to take from that and frankly how successful the rights project has been because they're not the right people purists and they're not alienating or sort of self-marginalizing or whatever and i think the the left could definitely take some notes on the front of like let's all come to the party you're all invited to the party and you know coherence is important and there's a limit on what we can learn from the right of course because they're willing to sacrifice a lot of values and people along the way but i feel optimistic right now i do too i have i've felt optimistic for a while yeah but it's always kind of hard to tell it makes me feel better when you say you're optimistic because ultimately um i have come into a really comfy situation as we said you're on your way to an empire so i acknowledge that and i sometimes think like oh let's use some active language caleb i have come into a company situation you're exploiting the labor of many people right in order to build my personal empire i look forward to continuing it but no i sometimes think like oh is my optimism just based on the fact that i have like a really charmed life and i like to think no i think maybe there's a part of it there's a part of it but i you're you're in the world enough you're paying enough attention i think you have a broad enough life where you know people who are really you know you know a lot of people who are still really struggling and um you're in touch with a broader community than just your blessed and charmed community as blessed and charmed as hey blessed and charmed community no that's the question certainly the that because i i certainly see times that i feel less stressed about things and i'm like oh that's because i have x y and z going on yeah i know that my personal optimism is certainly affected by the fact that i have like financial security and things like that i can go to the doctor without worrying too much about it like those things are like huge gifts i wonder if my like broader political optimism is based in something real or if it's based in my personal and i most of the time i'm like no i think it's based in like real things that are like that feels insane to me well i also think optimism this has been coming up a lot recently because there was this jaylen brunson quote about imagining the worst case scenario you can imagine the worst case scenario but you have to do something about it and people on the left were freaking out because they were like oh my god it's like antonio gromshi this italian communist and um gromshi talked about uh pessimism of the intellect optimism of the will and one of the ways i think about this in my organizing is like we kind of have a choice between despair or delusion and optimism in times such as these can feel delusional and it is in a way it's a little bit delusional but the alternative is despair and what happens when you're despairing is you give up you shut down you close off you self-alienate you marginalize you and your community from any desire to win or to find a better path forward so i kind of think we don't have another choice but to be optimistic and then materially i think there's some good there's some good stuff happening right now that is that's reason for optimism even as there's of course like mountains of terrible shit all the time yeah we know about the terrible shit what's what's making you feel optimistic what's making me feel optimistic you know i was remembering the first pod that we did thank you for having me back yeah and we had just launched rent strikes our first rent strikes in casey tennant's history which i don't agree with yeah which you don't agree with as a as a aspiring slumlord yeah you made an agreement yeah yeah we we had just launched our first two rent strikes at a building downtown and a building in independence missouri and that building in independence they stayed on strike for eight months and they withheld three hundred thousand dollars over the course of that eight months it was a shitty building uh there had been a lot of horrific things that had happened over time they withheld all of that rent and then finally got to the bargaining table with their landlord and they were like oh my god we're gonna be like oh my god we're gonna be like a slumlord in june of last year and we won rent reductions two-year leases a schedule for major repairs and they got to keep every cent of that money that they withheld which is life-changing which is life-changing and that was just the beginning so what's giving me optimism right now what's giving me hope is like that was the beginning of a whole new era for the tenant movement and i'm not being dramatic and saying that we're getting serious about our economic power meaning tenants' rent right the landlord can't pay their mortgage without our rent so the theory is really similar to workers on the job the boss needs your labor that's how the whole economy functions so we've gotten really serious about tenant economic power in the last couple years and there's a lot of reasons we should all be optimistic about that because once we figure out how to flex that and flex that more and bigger and all over the place it could be game over for these slumlords like you yeah like me and what i'm doing to my tenants also i do want to say for anyone listening that isn't as um familiar with all of this like there are probably a not insignificant number of people that listen to the podcast that are i would say not completely like organized or fully uh understand all of this like what we're talking about when we say that people are going these conditions are not like we wanted a new ac and they wouldn't put it in it's like this these are like unsafe unfair like completely objectionable living situations that are like i i just i sometimes think that maybe people don't understand like they hear strike and they think like oh you just didn't want to pay your rent because your landlord wouldn't do something you wanted and it's like no this is actually like bare minimum people are extremely unsafe like it needs to happen it's the the conditions are really terrible i mean just two weeks ago i was back home in kansas city and leading negotiations with a union that i've been organizing with for a couple years the north lawn tenant union in the historic northeast and these buildings are just horrible as we were sitting at the bargaining table two of the women at the table with me had lost their electrical the day before no electricity in their home in kansas city missouri united states of america in 2026 no electricity they had to stay in a hotel who's paying for the hotel the tenant union but at that moment we were at the table with the landlord there's sewage backed up in the basement there's all sorts of mold and critters and pests there's no trash there's no way to get mail delivered there's a lot of immigrants in that building who can't get their visa documentation sent to the place that they live i mean it's really bad and and you're right i think a lot of people in the sort of more normal sections of the rental market or whatever they're not um they're not accustomed to this kind of treatment and then there's a whole other swath of people who are not only accustomed to it they're sort of like numb to it this is just what life is like if you if you live under a certain income in a certain community uh so the conditions are bad and we're not going to be able to do anything about it we're not going to be able to do anything about it and we don't we don't take we don't take any action lightly whether it's a rent strike or something else uh we're not doing it for fun or for shits and giggles we're doing it because our people's lives depend on it depends on us taking that kind of action yeah yeah it's it's like also yeah i think sometimes people don't understand the full scope of what these landlords and rental companies are comfortable doing to people particularly people they think they can get away with it like like immigrants and like very poor neighborhoods where they're like oh well no one's really paying attention to what's going on over here i i really think it's an active choice that they're like oh we no one's going to do anything about this these people don't speak english they're not organized and and then when the tenant union comes in and they are organized i think it's a shock and they think they can still get away with it it's really fun when they don't it's really fun when they don't i do love that um but the psychology of some of these landlords is super interesting now i've been at the bargaining table with many landlords over the course of the last several years in particular and uh it's it's really interesting this guy just a couple weeks ago he pulled up he flew in from chicago pulled up we were standing outside the building and first thing he said to me is he was like i'm not caring you can frisk me i'm not carrying any weapons and i was like bro we invited you to a meeting we you know we sent you the full list of attendees we sent you an agenda in advance we sent we go out of our way to really demonstrate we're coming in good faith and we want to end with some kind of agreement that's better for the tenants of course also better for all parties involved your asset is crumbling the neighbors are complaining the city's involved the tenant union is going to have to escalate if you don't fix your shit so that's sort of our perspective and it's super interesting to encounter someone in this immediate defensive posture he knows he's not acting right you know he knows he's getting one over on people so he comes expecting to be like attacked right so that that's the beginning and then we sit down and he starts kind of waxing poetic about his values and what's right and wrong he identifies as religious he he's mostly in the nursing home business bad sign by the way um yeah the the exact kind of temperament that's what you want in the nursing home business i mean it's like and it's the same in every in every little get rich quick scheme it's like you're gonna own a couple nursing homes outside of chicago a couple shitty apartment buildings in kansas city and that's how you get your you're not or whatever but like it's so interesting to encounter this psychology up close because he'll he'll spill all these beans he'll confess all of this about his values and how he thinks about his business and whatnot and then we'll get into the negotiation then when it comes time to get this guy to sign a document that basically just has him committing to do the bare minimum for his tenants he'll freak out i saw the blood leave this man's face as he realized we had walked him down a path that we had walked him down and so i you know my my role as the negotiator in that moment is to kind of like turn up the heat like raise the stakes in the moment where we need his signature so i reference back to his values and his religion and the way he wants to run his business and then all of a sudden he's like well now it's getting personal and you know this is this is not cool you can't this isn't good faith anymore and I'm like buddy you told me this about yourself yeah right but this is so many of them it's like they think they're very happy living miles and miles away from people that they're that they're exploiting um and it's important for us to remember when we're encountering them that they too want to think of themselves as good people right and that's critical in a negotiation is you got to see that in someone and then help call them into that as painful as the process can be for that man yeah I can't tell what's worse when someone like it's certainly more rare when someone unabashedly is like I do not care about being a good person this is about profit and you need to get comfortable with that yeah or when it's that or when it's no I think I'm a good person and it's okay what I'm doing I can't tell what would be more distressing to me as like a human being to sit across from because both are so scary to me I the the I think I'm a good person and what I'm doing is okay certainly seems more common I think most people doing bad think that they are good and they have their reasons and their justifications but I'm just like well that is so scary like look at the way people are living and you own this thing like that's crazy yeah I don't know what makes me more yeah I don't know what upsets me more they're both troubling they're both troubling the other the other version is like I think people you know like I think people who are living in the middle of these big firms that are buying up huge chunks of the market or whatever they're so separate they're so separate they've obscured their ownership and their connection to the property so much that I think they've convinced themselves they're not even connected to what's going on on the ground it's just it's like numbers in a spreadsheet type stuff and yeah I think that's the only way you could sleep at night is by really separating yourself but both any way you slice it it's bad it's extractive it's sad I I don't know how people um I don't know how people can like deal with themselves look at themselves when they're involved in business like that yeah yeah I don't either that's why I don't think about it when I'm doing it yeah exactly exactly you're you've removed yourself it's numbers on a spreadsheet yes yeah I actually tell these guys sometimes I say you are a number on a spreadsheet right I say that when I walk in the just to remind everyone number one on the spreadsheet yeah they're all across it's basically the spreadsheet is set up to where at the very top like a one is me sure and then there's just money signs and smiley faces on either side and then about 70 cells down they are all equal on a plane yeah and it's like sad faces and like that kind of stuff sure okay that's the spreadsheet and that's how the empire is built everyone that's pay attention that's the technical spreadsheet that runs the business you want to get like Caleb build yourself a spreadsheet like this you should start doing like get rich quick instructional videos or something transform the pod I'm doing something so much more annoying which is I'm privately talking to every I know about why they're not doing running their business correctly I'm privately going you're not paying your people enough this is embarrassing there you go okay okay so I'm actually doing something way worse raising the bar in the podcasting industry we love it god no one listens um we love it though we love it that's my influence by the way that is not your anything good you're doing I'm just gonna be like that's my influence that's my influence I organized him on a dance floor years ago that's my you know that's my boy you have a lot of influence in my life you do have a lot of influence in my life what do you think of me good and bad you go for first and then I'll do you okay here's what I think of you a couple weeks ago Tara a couple weeks ago don't make it time specific a couple weeks ago you called me on this podcast yeah um you had Serenity on you called me on this podcast you accused me of not falling through on a plan with you and then I and then I corrected the record and you called me all sorts of names you called me a charlatan right you called me a charlatan right you called me a charlatan right you called me a fake in my defense you called me a fraud you called me a conniving brown vixen it got racial conniving brown vixen that was my nickname for you in fairness that's something sweet we agreed upon a long time ago I didn't sign anything I didn't agree to anything yeah um okay what do I think of you so I think I mean basically I think you're fake as shit based on that interaction okay right beyond that though I mean Nicole cut all this I think you're I think you're a good um I think you are I think you're really thoughtful about where you're heading in life and you're ambitious which is the thing I think is most fascinating about you you're not apologizing for wanting to do the things you want to do for having a big cool interesting life for wanting your life to get bigger yeah I love that you're kind of equal parts ambitious and thoughtful and step and by now I feel like we've known each other long enough that I've seen you sort of your your life has gotten bigger and bigger and you're no less thoughtful um no less generous so I mostly I mostly think good things about you which is a little bit of a boring take to have on your podcast but do you think well no this actually did lead to something interesting though do you think that um other than just you saying something sweet to me which is nice do you think that uh ambition and thoughtfulness are usually like decoupled do you think those things are not typically together I think the world is not set up such that most people are able to be deeply thoughtful while also gunning for something hustling for the next thing that they're going to achieve um and I think often you know people like sell out or um get swept up in uh the life that they want and they lose sight of some of the things that matter to them or the people that matter to them um but I think you've you've like seen that from a million miles away and as your star has risen you've been really thoughtful about not letting that happen to you um and you know I one of one of the main things I've been thinking about related to you recently is I'm like my king is taking care of himself right now 75 Caleb how have I or have I not been checking in to be like who checked in on 75 Caleb in a way that feels mostly loving borderline hateful what's the hate sometimes your accountability can feel like a knife oh my god comedy royalty kate 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you're so sweet you're obsessed with power and winning in a way that i think is so inspiring thank you so much i love how much you want to defeat uh i love how much you want to win especially for people that you don't have to uh love as much as you do like it would be very easy for you to not care as much as you do about the things you care about and i'm so grateful that you do and are because without you i don't think i would be i think i would have stayed disengaged had i not become friends with you i think i would have just stayed like where i was which is like i donated a little bit of money every once in a while to a couple of things i believed in i voted the way that i thought was correct but really after like 2016 bernie situation i really feel like i was not completely disengaged but i certainly was not engaged at the level that i am now and that really changed when i met you i think you have fundamentally changed my life and hopefully if there's any reason for me to be doing this job where i fucking talk every hour every week for an hour about myself and whoever i'm with if there's any good that comes from it i hope that maybe it helps other people see the world the way that we see it you know that's so sweet thank you for saying all of that you're like and you're a conniving brown vixen but yeah that underlies that underlies everything that sweet nickname underlies it all but no the the thing that's really cool actually is because um because we're friends there's like a lot more and different kinds of people who are getting involved in the tenant movement than ever before i told you that like i was at an event in chinatown a couple weeks ago and on my way out the door this person stopped me and was like i went to union school last summer union school is this like big virtual training that we do to teach people how to organize their building and across portfolios and i was like wow that's awesome how did you hear about it and the guy was like i follow caleb on instagram and i was like that's my guy bringing people in the first inviting people to the party inviting people to the party the first time in years that i felt that my being on instagram was worth a single thing um yeah i think it's nice i think my job is a lot easier when i can view it as like an opportunity to um like share my view of the world and hopefully like make people laugh and make people feel better about everything that's going on and less like i want more followers and more money you know that part makes me really ill so it's nice to have maybe even even if it's a false perspective it's nice to have it you know the accountability is a knife line is really still sitting with me so so if you're gonna if you're gonna just put that into the world One thing I do need to hold you accountable to is I've been wanting you to write something about artificial intelligence. Yeah, artificial intelligence. And you have a lot of thoughts on AI, and I sort of don't understand why you haven't taken my call to write something yet. I have been creatively for about seven or eight months in a space that I could only describe as completely confused. I do not know what I want. I do not know what I'm doing creatively. I don't know what I view this podcast as. I don't necessarily view it as a creative endeavor on my end. You don't think we're making something right now? We are making something right now, certainly. We're always making something. Sure. But I don't view it as maybe like, I don't know. I view it as a separate thing. It feels like its own separate thing that I love and have a lot of appreciation for. And I'm really grateful for it. I've learned a ton from it. Like, I love this podcast. But I don't view it as the same as writing or performing or the other things that I do creatively. And I can't even fully describe what I think the difference is. However, I do think I should write something. I just saw before we started recording that Google is giving a $24, $75 million to do like AI. They're being really stealth about the way they're describing it. They're like, tools to help filmmakers. And so I'm like, that's a new thing. Not a new thing. That's a thing they're doing a lot with this AI stuff right now is they're trying to obscure it and being like, well, we're not going to use it to generate the images on the screen. We're only using it to help filmmakers. We're only using it to help filmmakers storyboard. And it's like, right, well, that's someone's job that just got lost. And that's someone's brain and their whole thought process. And also that becomes the image on the screen. And also when you storyboard with a theft technology, which is what generative AI is, it's a theft technology. All it can do inherently and definitionally is steal from reference images that were made by humans. Then theft is in the DNA and the foundation of your project. Regardless of if you generated the background of the fucking scene with generative AI, theft is in the DNA. It's in the DNA of your project and it should make you fucking sick. It doesn't make them sick. They don't care. But I really, really, really don't understand why so many like A24 is a great example of why fucking do it. What I need you to do is take those words you just said, write it up and put it out. And the reason I keep pushing you on this is it has to do with what we were saying about the left before, where the left can be like purist and exclusionary and whatever. The left can also be lazy. And I've been feeling this about. Put your hands up. Yeah. Put your hands up. The lazy left is present and accounted for. Everybody make some noise. The lazy left is in the house. No, but the. My whole team is the lazy left. The lazy left one, the lazy left two, the lazy left three. The spreadsheet is called the lazy left. The lazy left. And A1 is you, honey. Yeah. I only employ the lazy left and it starts at the top. Right. And A1 is you and A1 is you. But I think the left can be a little lazy about topics like AI where there's such a knee jerk. Like, fuck AI. It all sucks. You know, anyone's cooked who's using chat GPT and whatever. And while I might agree with some of those sentiments, I am a little bit like there's some irony to me in us having that kind of view that's fundamentally about protecting our cognition. Right. But then not engaging our cognition to actually have a grounded, interesting, nuanced critique that that's engaging with. Like the reality of what's unfolding around us. So this is why I'm pushing you. This is why I'm asking you. I'm inviting you to abandon the lazy left maybe just for an afternoon. That's my family. And write up some of your ideas about AI. Because I think you have such a unique perspective as someone who, yeah, whose life is the way it is. You create things for a living. You make people laugh for a living. You have something to offer the world that only a human can offer. And I think you're seeing things happen. And I think you're seeing things happen in the industry that you're also part of that people need to hear about. Yeah. You and I have talked a lot about this in the real world off these mics about how ironic it is that people are, you said a little bit about it, but that people are basically like the defense, the criticism of AI is that it's going to destroy our ability to think critically and put ideas together on our own and use our brains for what they were intended to do. And then so many people criticizing AI. And so many people criticizing AI are just like, fuck it wholesale. There's no reason to step out my argument. There's no reason to make the case because it's just bad and it's labeled bad and we shouldn't do it. Right. And that inherently is a thoughtless, like, uncritical, uninteresting condemnation of the thing. Right. Yeah. I do think that's interesting. And I do have thoughtful things to say about it. I just, I get so, this more than most things right now, there are plenty of other things that make me feel this way, but the AI conversation more than most things right now. When I sit with it for too long, I get whole, I get so sad and upset and like, I'm just like, in a way that I'm like, it actually destroys my day. Like I'm unable to have the rest of my day. You're like, you ruined my day just now. No, you haven't. But it could, like, I really could sit and think about it and just go like, what are we doing? I mean, I feel this way about so many things. I feel this way about rich people that don't want to share their money. I feel this way about, of course, the AI stuff. I feel this way about, you know, like more obvious things that would feel like honestly stupid to even say out loud because it's so, so obvious. But I'm just like, these things that I'm just like, why? Why do we have to live this way? The AI shit, I'm just like, for what? Why do you need $75 million from Google 824? Aren't you doing very well? Right. Must you do this? Wouldn't it be way cooler? That's the thing. No one's cool. No one's cool. No one's cool. And as you've often said, shit is cool because you do it, because you make it cool, whatever. Like, you know, my role as an organizer in this moment is to be like, instead of despair, Caleb. I know, Tara. Why don't we choose the delusion? And that something could be better and that you might have a role to play in making something better. Did you just pout? At my camera. At your camera. Caleb Cam is a really important camera on the show. Is this my cam? Yeah, Tara Cam. Okay, I should have been pouting there when you called me all those racist names. You can pout at Tara. Anytime I have to say something racist, you are allowed to pout at Tara Cam. Thank you so much for that permission. Yeah, you're welcome. I'm a benevolent racist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what people are saying. Benevolent, racist, slumlord, empire builder, Caleb. Yeah, right there, we should do like a freeze frame and like hearts, like an I love Lucy kind of like, at that description of me. Yeah, just edit all those nice things I said about you before when you were like, what do you think of me? Cut all of that. Cut all of that. I think that'd be beautiful. Yeah, cut all of that. What's going on in your love life? In my love life? Enough of this convenient organizing talk. In my love, you want me to talk about my love life on the pod? Wow. I'm new. You're much like me. I'm splitting time. I'll just say it. I have a sublet in Crown Heights where the drinking water is not safe for me. It's not safe for me. So you and I, yeah, our lifestyles are so similar in some ways and then so different in other ways. Completely. And I accept any knowledge, but I will say part of both of our like attraction to New York at the time, we got attracted to it. There are many things like there were work reasons for both of us. There were whatever. But one big part was like my, I do not think the love of my life is where I've been spending most of my time and I need to switch it up. Yeah. Yeah. My love life. I mean, it's a good question. You're actually the only person I would ever talk to about this in this kind of format. So I'm a little like flustered. I want love in my life. I'm a big romantic. I want big love. Nothing less. Yeah. Kansas City was hard for that. I would say it's impossible. It's near impossible. People sometimes are like, it can't be impossible. And I'm like, no, no, no. Like statistically, there are just not that many people of a relatively age appropriate range like in our worlds in any way. Just when you when you get down to it, it's like there's like three people. There's three people to date in the whole city and like, I went out with all of them and seven years later, here I am. Um, well, spring is here and summer's just around the corner and I for one plan to spend as much time as humanly possible outside in the sunshine after a long winter. So if you're like me and want to soak up some rays, you got to check out our friends at sunglass hut to get your eyes right for all those fun outdoor activities. They have a wide range of styles for the summer. You can only find it sunglass hut to give you that confidence boost to own your moment this year. Sunglass hut also offers a premium shopping experience. You won't get anywhere else with expert guidance from shades experts. Replacement is half soul free and fast. 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I can entertain myself for hours and then I come out of it and I'm like, what was that even? And I can help you even be good at it. Right. I, you're being boring. I can be like, I can, I know how to orchestrate the evening to where it almost, I can fool myself into thinking that you were a fun person to talk to. Totally. And I, that's not something I want to do. I want to be like taken by surprise and like, uh, matched. Yep. Yep. But yeah, it's fucking hard. It's hard. I went on a date the other night with a guy who I was certain was not into it. Like, like I was like, he can't be into it. He's being so boring. He must be like waiting for this date to end. And I was like, that is seems impossible to me, but it has to be his. Truth. And then after we, I'm so I, as soon as I can get the check, I get the check. I pay gentlemen and we leave. And then he initiates like a pretty serious makeout with me after we leave. And it was hot and I was really into it of course. But I was like, wow. So something is happening where you thought this went so well that we should do a serious makeout on the street. Hot. Love it. But we need to take that energy and turn it into five questions for me on the day. At least minimum, minimum five. At least five good questions on the day. Minimum five. But I, but I think the thing I'm getting from that story is like, you rock this man's world. I know you rock this man's world. How is he going to, how could he find a question when you're in the middle of a dazzling performance as you always are? Tara trust. I have learned to leave space. Yeah. Cause that was, that was the other thing is I used to just like, fucking like, I'd be like, Oh, I would feel successful if I was able to do that. Yeah. And then somewhere in my mid twenties, I was like, you are doing yourself a disservice. You need to like give people real opportunities to rise to the occasion. Totally. Cause I want to be wowed. I want to be rocked. It's going to take a lot to wow someone like you and to surprise someone like you. And I, I don't know that you're going to find that in like a 25 year old package. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. A lot of 45 year old gay men who are interested in dating someone 14 years younger than them. They're not looking for a fat guy. They're looking for a twink. Okay. And so I'm just saying, and I'm not, I am not making myself the victim. I have a wonderful, beautiful sex and dating and love life. Okay. Gorge. I love being fat. Everything's cool. I have gotten a little less fat recently. That was mostly an accident and a mistake. There have been no shots involved. A surgeon has not been spoken with. You're on the record. No shots. I'm not doing Ozempic. You're not doing it. I'm not a quitter. What can I ask? What happened? We'll leave it, but we'll at least leave in that I was kidding. I've got some friends on Ozempic and they have really legitimate reasons to be there. For sure. Wait. So can I ask why have you accidentally lost weight recently? Well, a lot of things have happened. Basically I moved to New York. Yeah. Walking, biking everywhere. You're in a calorie deficit constantly. Well, no, no, but because you wouldn't believe the amount of calories I can eat, but I am walking, biking all the time. Yeah. And then what happened was last year I was filming something like almost every day of the year. Right. And so I wasn't eating after like 10 PM because I had to be asleep because I had a 4 AM pickup. Sure. So it was this weird thing with my schedule where I was like, my stomach can't be upset because I only have access to a porta potty on set with like the crew. Yeah. I'm not doing that. So I need to be like, my stomach needs to be not upset. And I also am not up late to be having late night food. Yeah. Those things happened all in all resulted in me losing. Although I will say I just did Seth Myers and I, for some reason looked at some of the comments, which is something I have gotten so much better about, but I briefly fell back down to earth and people, their comments were mixed. Facial hair makes him look old and like a pedo. The facial hair makes him look handsome and attractive. He looks like he's gained 100 pounds. He looks like he's lost 100 pounds. Gained 100 pounds is crazy. That's mean. That's mean and incorrect. I, for one, thought the facial hair was really cute. You think so? I thought it like, well, you have a nice tan right now. And I thought it was sort of like grisly. It was giving a little bit like 45-year-old men. I'm here. I'm open for business, you know? And I'm saying. You look mature. I am putting this on the record right now. Put some inspirational music under this. Right. 45-year-old men. The pot has really changed. You've got all these effects. 35 to 45-year-old men. 45. Okay. I'd say North End is probably 45. We named an upper limit, finally. I am 31 years old. It can't go higher than 45. It can't go higher than that, yeah. If you are 27 to 45 years old and you want to sweep me off my feet, come around. What would it take? What would it take for a man to really sweep you off your feet? Charm. Question. Participation. Participation. Making plans. Being available at every moment that I want you available. Right. Having an interesting life, yet being completely flexible to what I need. In the beginning, I was like, that's not too much to ask, sweetie. And then you kept going. And I was like, okay, well. Dropping everything when I call. Sure. If I call and you have plans and I say, I want to hang out tonight, you say, I will cancel everything and be there. Yeah. Except for sometimes when I do that, you have to not cancel and do your own thing so that I don't get turned off by you. Totally. Totally. You have to innately understand the magic of that balance. you have to simultaneously be completely obsessed with me and also unwilling to bend to my demands. Sure. I mean, my head is, like, filling with guys I know who might be perfect for this. Yeah, what am I asking the world here? No, not at all, not at all. Very simple, not at all crazy demands. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And you have to, like, you have to fight with me about the checks sometimes. I'm always going to pay it, unless you're richer than me. Right. If you're richer than me, I'd love to know who you are. Right. But if you're. I'd have to go out with freaking Elon Musk or something. Whoa, you're getting it like that from the pod. Damn. Are boots okay on here, by the way? No, that's fine. We love those. No, but if you're richer than me, sometimes I might let you pay. But if you're not, you need to at least fight about the check every once in a while. Put up an effort. I want some transparency on what you're making from this podcast. That comment was crazy. I'll tell you off camera. Off camera. It's more than you think. And in the beginning, you're still like, when I'm asking you about, you know, casually being like, maybe you'll do an ad for the Tenant Union or one of our trainings or something. You're like, honey, you can't afford me. I would happily do an ad for the Tenant Union. You can't do a pro bono ad for the Tenant Union. If you guys scrape up the money, you guys put on a bake sale or a talent show or something. A bake sale. And you get that money over here. I mean, I'll do what I can. Yeah, you guys pay me because I do a lot for you guys. Yeah, you do, actually. And so I think the least you can do is pay the rate. You do a lot for us. And I will say there's so much. People are always asking me to get you to do stuff. And I'm a good. I offered you this the other night. You were like out dancing and bummed out that people wouldn't leave you alone on the dance floor. And I was like, let me be your security. If I was on the dance floor with you, no one would be coming close. We'd be dancing. We'd be dancing. I know, you know, I don't maybe physically give off the most intimidating vibe. But someone catching my eye contact in the wrong moment who's not letting you dance, they're going to leave you alone. Keep in mind, we're sitting here because you bothered me on the dance floor. That's correct. That's correct. But that was on my watch. That's the last time that's ever going to happen to you. Yeah, that was the last one. That was the last. That was the last time. The buck stops here with me. With me. Hey, look, when it comes to me and love, I got a lot of it to give. I'm a special guy. I have a big heart. Yeah, you sure do. I got a lot of things to give to somebody. Big heart, no shots. Big heart, no weight loss shots. I'm up on all my other things, though. I'm extremely rich. I get tested regularly. I'm doing well financially. I'm ready to have kids in the next four to five years. Four to five years. Next four to five years, I'm ready to have a baby on the way. Ultimately, I want a couple. How do you think you are with kids right now? now they understand me and they respect me really yeah and how do you earn their respect because i talk to them like adults i don't think i've ever seen you with well i've seen you with your little uh nephews and you see how they fall in line yeah yeah they do kind of fall in line you're a bit of a disciplinarian now that i think about it oh we're not having tomfoolery no no no no because i yeah no the kid the kids are sort of yeah now that i'm thinking about it when i've seen you with those kids at thanksgiving yeah they're they're sort of like falling in line with whatever you say actually you know it's they're they're not enough but they're it's it i think what it is is just being able to tell kids the truth like there comes a point with the showing me your toys where i go we're all done listening about the toys yeah take them back to the other room no one's really paying attention anymore sweetie yeah we're on the 17th minute of legos we've seen the legos what would you do about screens if you're a parent none no screen they get none and they can't use mine either they get none you have some how do you talk to them about that difference i say you're not old enough for this it's you're not old enough for this it's it's good it will hurt you huh stay off this they're not getting their own screens yeah my kids are not having their own screens they can have a phone when they get their driver's license okay and it'll be a flip phone a flip phone they can have a flip phone when they get their driver's license they cannot have social media yeah there will be no tablets and i say all that as someone who doesn't have kids yeah and i bet there's some parents listening right now going yeah good fucking luck buddy and i bet they're right i bet that i bet my kids will have a screen the day they're born okay i bet i'm saying right now my intention my intention is no screens whatsoever going in is no screens the reality is probably they get a screen at the hospital okay okay so the truth comes out yeah there's a lot of truth coming out today wake it up wake it up yeah that's me what were you were you um did your mom say yes to you a lot growing up uh we were extremely poor so she said yes when she could but it wasn't like there was a lot to uh of opportunity okay i was asking for things i would say when i was younger i was asking for things that just weren't possible what were your dreams what were you asking for to be rich to have more than we did mom can we be rich to wear name brand clothes okay mom can i wear under armor she'd say well it depends on what goodwill has and i'd say disgusting gross maybe so mad when she really stuff yeah because it was never cool stuff it was like all the cool kids had like the new stuff yeah you know yeah and i look back now and i'm like that was actually really cool my mom rocks but as a kid you don't have like perspective right you're like oh i want to be like everyone else but she was trying like when you would say a dream to her she'd be like okay let me try to figure out how to make some version of this happen she would and i will say she made sure i went on every school trip like there were a bunch of like we would go to washington dc or we'd go to orlando for like conferences and stuff and like competitions i went to every single one and i looking back i'm like we could not afford that i don't know how she made it work she certainly skipped some meals yeah yeah crazy my kids look if the money stops flowing they're not going to orlando i'm not skipping any meals they're not going anywhere right i will say an interesting thing to me is that i'm not going anywhere i'm not going anywhere right i'm not going anywhere i'm not going anywhere i'm not going anywhere i'm not going anywhere like i like my values yeah and i'm like whoa if i i want my kids i want to like replicate that for my kids somehow i would like them to struggle yeah you want to force them into poverty somehow yes i want to like make sure they don't listen to any of these episodes or like see any of my lifestyle beyond like okay they'll live in my house sure but i want them to think but in that sort of like small and dusty area of the house yeah and i want them to think we got it through some other i want to be like oh this was left to me or something you know this was left i don't want them to think we have money right and they're going to public school yeah of course i mean no private schools no private schools no private schools make me sick really what are you talking more about that i think that's sick this can go in your book of essays about politics in the world everybody go and i'm gonna help you write yeah that we're writing right now i wish we need to write a movie together oh my god you know i've been big on that i would die to write a movie with you we need to write a movie together but let's do it let's make it happen well you know i have this i have the shell of it i have the shell of the movie already the shell tell me well i can't tell you on here okay a lot of my listeners are thieves and crooks oh yeah there's a lot of thievery in the k-lebrity community k-lebrity community k-lebrity k-lesbian k-latina k-latina congratulations on diversifying the k-latinas they look it's not just white lesbians anymore baby no k-latinas brought themselves into the comments and they get mad when they don't get mentioned now okay i haven't seen many other ones but i'd love to expand k-lawation i don't know k-lawations i would love to hear from you yeah well black black k-lebrities had a big moment recently really and what do they call themselves uh i think they just say i'm black and i like caleb that was mostly what i saw yeah they weren't really going for a name i'll say that they weren't really trying to have their own name all right hit the comments everyone yeah comments so if yeah if you're a black what brought them out i was talking to joe sunday okay and she said what is the demographic makeup of your fandom and i said i don't know but i know that they're i know that there are a lot of lesbians of course i know that and i said there are a surprising number of straight men you would be shocked and then i said uh somehow it came up with me and i said i don't know but i know that there are a lot of lesbians i had black fans i don't remember what the uh verdict was but they let themselves be known yeah my black fans made some noise there's definitely some black fans out there we want we once went to an event that was like a mostly black event i feel like you got approached a bunch that was the best night of my life it was amazing that was the best night of my life every every cool hot well-dressed person in that room yeah came up to me and it made it me i could cry talking about it because that meant more to me than anything do you ever feel like sometimes when you're out with a friend that you have a lot of friends that you have a lot of friends that you have like really good energy with you the world kind of opens up for you what do you mean i'm just saying like that night that like best night of your life i feel like maybe i contributed a little bit oh i understand sorry you're asking if if like our connection was so vibrant yeah that people were kind of coming out of the woodwork to to talk to you did i feel like that night really was about you yeah yes that's essentially what i'm asking i feel that all my nights are about you wow i would do anything for you i hope you know and feel that i do feel that although we need to hang out a lot more i think for me to feel that for me to feel that for me to feel that for me to feel that for the for the truth to really settle call me yeah yeah i'll call you you don't really call me i call you sometimes nice please the the thing that the thing that's annoying to me recently about um calling and texting you is like it's still green android yeah you still have an android android but you so is that an android like what i'm looking at as an android that's an android okay yeah you're really committing i'm loving it yeah i'm getting put on no group texts at all well we have a very famous and ongoing hasn't really been going lately has it hasn't really been going because i think we're all we're all bummed out by your green text i know everybody hates the green text look that is one of the group chats that i'm sad to see go it's it's a casualty in the crossfire i'm like damn this is like a post-mortem on our group chat it's not really happening anymore and i hate that yeah but if it means that i get left out of all these other ones that i want nothing to do with right it was either this or change my phone number i'm getting put in too many things what are people putting you into any fucking stupid thing when you have an iphone people people will put you in anything sure a group text about one where people text that they're five minutes late that's fine just come on the lunch text is ongoing like what's bothersome about yes because then people think there was a connection formed in the group text and sometimes there was or wasn't but it's just too many texts and people text you less in general when you have green text i'm telling you iphone people do that thing all the time where they're like oh my god send so the other day send i was at the store send knock it off knock it off people are sending less voice notes people are you don't want voice notes from your friends when a lot of people think that it's okay to send you seven minute voice notes it increases your time on the phone that's a lot i love hearing from my friends i'm not complaining about being so loved and a part of such beautiful community yeah i love that we're gonna have to find a different way to express that sure ideally in person together i cannot be on the phone the phone makes me sick yeah and that being said i'm on there you are on there you are on there i i treat my voice notes for my friends as a little podcast you know katie and i have a long voice note back and forth she's amazing on a voice note i'm like a rambling idiot i'm i'm talking for 11 minutes i'm walking around i'm pacing i'm washing my dishes you're getting all sorts of background noise and then there's some people like katie who's like a professional at voice notes it's so coherent it's kind of classically wise she's got a lot of good advice for me she's remembered every single thing i've said a week ago in my 11 minute ramble uh it's beautiful i'm not i'm not skilled but i'm i'm like energetic i'll i'll think of some good anecdotes and weave them in you and kevin i would say you and kevin are it's funny because our little four-person friend group is there's many natural alliances and one of the places that you and kevin team up is on the long meandering kind of crazed voice note and katie and i are very much the same in style where it's like tight like to the but all the little natural alliances that form are fun they are really fun you just made me think of one of our biggest rifts this year this calendar year so far um i was really i was having a rough beginning of the year as you know i was in minneapolis during the height of the federal occupation i had you were working for ice at the time right you were subcontracting for them for some reason and you were yeah that's my get rich quick scheme no i was there i was there launching a city's wide tenant union we were running a rent strike drive there was 107 million dollars in lost wages at the time of this occupation and i had i'd been in india and like flew back early and flew right into it and it was cold and my skin was peeling and shit was really hard and everyone there was like exhausted after basically two months of of warfare and um and then i came back to kansas city after all of that and um lost a dear friend so i was like i was really down bad for a while and you were being so sweet you like called multiple times oh yeah left a voice note left uh you know sent me multiple text messages and basically i just want to also add some flavor to that and say that i was like i was really clocking in I was like Tara I know you're going through such a hard time I love you so much tell me I want you to text me right now three ways that I can support like is it sending flowers is it buying groceries like what can I do it was practical it was caring it was persistent and I was being avoidant and I am sometimes but you know I was like really down bad and not really getting back to anyone at that time and then not a word from my friend yeah not a word not a word from my friend actual weeks went by and like multiple unresponded to messages and then yeah Kevin hit the group chat this is crazy he was on a drive he hit the group chat and he said Kevin Morby for those who don't know Kevin Morby for those who don't know he said can someone in the chat read out loud to me the menu for the Marriott in this town in Texas that I'm going to tonight he was driving and he wanted to know what was on the menu so he thought it would be funny to ask can anyone in the group chat send a voice note reading this menu out loud to me and he had already asked Katie off thread and she had been like no I'm absolutely not doing that crazy thing for you meanwhile me after weeks of avoiding Caleb I want to say 20 seconds passed between when Kevin sent the text and then a 3 minute and 47 second voice note from Tara comes in somehow somehow she's already done it and this is I click play and I'm thinking maybe the voice note is going to be like hey guys just wanted to address that I like haven't really been getting back to anybody I'm okay thank you for checking in the voice note instead is so they've got flounder three ways and I'm like they also had the craziest menu of all time it was like the most random dishes and I was really I was having a ball reading all of it read every ingredient I was early off a phone call Caleb I was early off a meeting I had a couple minutes to kill it sounded like a fun kind of zany way to spend a few minutes of my day she's editorializing ooh this one has a cherry wine reduction I'm like picking out things for Kevin that I think he would like she's pairing wines I'm telling him to sit at the bar for the best experience you know so I hit the bar I hit send and Caleb absolutely drags my ass in the chat yeah yeah I think I said something along the lines of how fucking dare you how dare you how dare you do this to me and I said I'm down bad like I I needed something fun in my life I needed some lightness I didn't want to tell you getting back to you was not sparking joy I don't know what to tell you I didn't want to tell you how to generously and sweetly take care of me I wanted to read to Kevin about the shrimp at the Marriott yeah okay made me sick yeah made me completely sick it took us a while to bounce back from that but we're back it took us a while yeah it took about 10 seconds yeah it's so fucking funny we're back I couldn't believe it I was laughing so hard I was like Tara you must be kidding really killed me yeah you feel bounced back you feel good I feel good I definitely was in a sort of mojo deficit for a second there it's crazy because I love I love my work so much and I feel so like called by it and motivated and it's so cool I feel really really lucky there are so few people who I think get to walk around planet earth with the kind of purpose that I get to feel so I always feel sort of bad than also you know feeling less than amazing about how things are going because it's great it's not only like purposeful we're winning it's like in that same bad season that I had earlier this year we like won the first tenant bargain agreement in the American South I got to have like four baked potatoes with an 80 year old tobacco farmer named Pauline who I loved you know we transitioned the leadership of Casey Tennants and Janae Manley took over and I'm so proud and so everything was going so well but I was in a real mojo deficit for a second there it's tough I mean I lost a really dear friend and I think when when you're the type of person you and I are and our friends mean so much to us yeah that was like that was a real hit but I'm I'm coming back and summer in New York is great the Knicks are winning championships are following me around like you I'm a fair weather fan and if the weather's fair the weather's fair and I'm there if the weather's fair I'm there yeah if the weather's fair I'm there go Knicks go Knicks the Chiefs started winning when you and I came back to the city too that's true yeah once we reinvested and they never called me and said thanks for that no I don't imagine I'll be on their call list anytime soon they avoid me like the plague you talk shit on them a lot well they do stupid shit they do stupid shit they're ultimately an extremely racist franchise but you're a huge fan yeah you love the coach you love the players you love football you love football more than you love basketball yeah they're not gonna be inviting me to any games soon they really avoid me every like person who has even stepped foot on a television set that's from Kansas City has like gotten a suite at their games yeah they don't talk to me mostly because I say they're fucked up Republican owners should stop begging the public for money when they're billionaires and they can pay for their own things yeah we can leave that in and you did say that I'm saying that all the time stop asking working people to pay for your projects when you're a billionaire right I don't care how much we like you you're a little football team and I do I'm a huge fan it's fucking inappropriate it's ridiculous you should be humiliated the whole point of being a billionaire should be that you can fund your dumb little projects yeah I hate it it pisses me off and yeah I just don't like I don't like I don't like it I don't like that yeah I mean I can see why you're not getting invited for sure cozy little seats not a fun guy to have at the party no not a fun guy to have at that party but a very fun guy to have at our parties hello a better party a better party how yeah imagine how fucking cool life would be for them yeah we would all like them more if they would stop doing that stuff but I'm glad you're doing better yeah I'm happy things are feeling good thank you mojo is in the right place mojo's up I had a really really funny joke to make earlier and I'm not going to make it right now but I just want you to remind me to tell it to you off camera okay it's a really good one it's a joke at my expense it's a joke it's a joke about your circumstance okay and I'll and I'll tell it to you later it's a really it's a really really good one everyone here is going to like it yeah great Tara what's so true to you what is so true to me I think everyone needs a semi stupid creative endeavor in their life okay I absolutely agree you agree what's yours semi stupid creative endeavor in my life what is mine you guys what is my semi stupid creative endeavor I don't I was about to say the friendship bracelets but you don't you're off though you were making friendship bracelets there was a moment there was a brief moment where I was making friendship bracelets interesting and what when was that moment that was during the time when you weren't texting me back oh I see I see I see could you imagine so during that time that you were really really really sad and probably needed a friendship bracelet more than anything yeah you didn't get one yeah I didn't get one I made my birthday invite last year and that was really fun what did you make I like collaged all of the pictures from the previous year really thoughtfully sweet because basically I was like I can't trust anyone but me to get this right because what I wanted to do was pick the craziest costumes and the most like representative of who was going to be at the party yeah and I wanted anyone who looked at the invite to understand number one I'm safe to make a big costume choice sure and in fact you must or you need to leave yeah and number two there is someone on this invite that looks like someone I'd like to kiss oh or have a really long talk with okay and so I very meticulously a really long talk at the party oh that's the kind of party I'm interested in get in the corner with someone and get into that talk yeah dig in so I mean there's an open bar and stuff as well but I planned every single part of the invite really meticulously yeah it was really fun that's so sweet it was really fun but do I have an ongoing one I don't think so most of my free time is spent worrying about why I'm not creating right yeah okay what is yours we'll work on that the zines yeah I love your zines yeah my little zines I've got a couple though I mean yeah the zines are probably the most robust but I like zines I was gonna say I think your invite thing is like a good that's a good gateway to zine making the reason that I like them is that it's just not serious it's like or I mean of course they can be serious but you don't have to be precious about it the whole point is that it can be quick it can be messy I'm always making like a little like 90 minute something on the weekends I'm working on a zine this summer about listening maybe you can submit a sonic journal that could be a good push in a creative direction you're like what is that sounds horrible what does that mean I'm done sonic journal it's like when you really listen for a chunk of time and then you kind of like write about what you heard it's like a way of like sometimes I do it when I'm on a trip or something because to me it's a little bit more interesting than just being like well I did this and then I did this and then I did this I'll be like I woke up to the sound of dogs having a fight at 3am and I thought I was gonna die and and then I heard these bells and then I heard the gate open and it was such and such or whatever that's like a that's a real morning in my life in India when I'm there but yeah maybe you should submit a little sonic journal to my listening zine this summer I'm done cool put it on the record I'll do it on the record wow it's on the record you're like honey you can't afford me well it would be nice if you paid you're profiting off of this zine one of these days um Tara do you wanna play a game okay I know you're gonna do really good at this one and yeah it's hot in here because it's summer and we don't have we don't have AC it's really hot yep is this what you were yelling at your landlord about earlier uh no it was something different but that also should be in his defense I agreed to the lease when I knew there was an AC so I can't really yell at him about that okay but I was yelling at him about something else put me in if you ever need someone you know I'm your girl I do if you ever need you're good at a mean email but I can write one of those I am good at a mean email I could lead some negotiations from you we could prep together it's very intense I've been oh the mean emails I've been sending to my building about trying to replace our door staff with an iPad screen yeah I have been ripping into them you're pro screen I'm guessing I'm pro iPad screen I'm like get them out of there quicker yeah yeah yeah fire these people sooner these people that you're paying I don't want to see them anymore get them off the payroll I care about your profit right no I'm doing oh I had such a good line in one recently they basically are trying to pitch it as like an improvement to the building yeah and I said something to the effect of like I don't know if you think we're stupid or if you just don't care but of course none of us are falling for this is better for the building so if you're gonna fuck us why don't you just do it instead of lying to us while you do it right really getting nasty in the weeds with them about their messaging going point by point point by point any response uh they're they're responding to me professionally yeah and then i'm responding and saying thanks for your bullshit response we both know those aren't your real feelings as a person okay i'm getting into because i'm pissed they're trying to fire our friends right we love the door staff yeah they say hello to us in the morning they like welcome us into the building they keep our packages they are those this is their job right oh i'm so mad an ipad screen right what so i'm gonna read you 15 i'm gonna read you 15 statements you're gonna tell me if what i just said was true or false okay tara if you get 10 or more correct we're gonna give you 50 us dollars 50 wow uh you ready yep shrek sold the most dvds of any film of all time false false it was finding nemo crayola's world headquarters is in seattle washington false false forks township pennsylvania the show mash ended in 1979 true false 1983 oreos are vegan false true harvard university's official mascot is john harvard false true saturn is the largest wait no no that's not okay anyway we'll talk real yeah okay the official it's like the crimson you need to talk to chance okay chance we're gonna have a discussion about you won't be the first person to come up to him like this i've got the proof saturn is at least at least once every other episode someone goes this is bullshit and chance goes no it's not it's not it's not i have a computer in front of me saturn is the largest planet in our solar system oh god why don't i know this um true false i don't know i don't know anything about planets what's your answer uh false false was jupiter kelly clarkson's real name is kelly garber um true false it's kelly clarkson the great the great pyramid of giza is that a typo the great pyramid of giza is the oldest is that what it's called the great period of giza is the it's giza it's giza you just haven't seen it written i think i think that's why yeah the great pyramid of giza is the oldest of the seven wonders of the world um false true the currency of switzerland is the euro true false it's the swiss franc oh my god the bumper sticker was invented in kansas city um true that is true okay eagles have the best eyesight of any bird true true the ferris wheel at coventry is the oldest of the seven wonders of the world um true that is true tony island is called the wonder wheel false true not all integer integers are rational numbers integers jesus christ uh it's really mean we're not math people what the hell integers math planets chance jesus you guys were like let's book her and make her look like an idiot what the hell is an integer um i'm gonna say false uh false they are okay great the battle of midway was fought during world war one true false world war two uh australia is home to the largest cattle ranch in the world i was born there you know uh true it's true nice how'd she do seven that's beautiful that's beautiful but not fifty dollars worth of beautiful not fifty dollars do people win this not usually not usually it's it's all in the house's favor are you ever shocked at how badly someone does never how badly sometimes how well how well really not because it's not a thing of it really is a thing of like guessing and sometimes someone will have like a really incredible run right and i wonder sometimes i get really excited because i think maybe we're gonna finally have our first ever 100 100 i think the day that we have 100 we stopped the show people are getting close to 100 people get 11 wow sometimes that's amazing yeah that's really amazing i'm not i'm not a fact skirley as you can tell from that string of answers yeah that's not what's bouncing around in my noggin yeah you know yeah it's not facts it's not really information it's like ideas yeah i'm more of a vibes girl more of a vibes girl uh tara tell people how they can support where they can find all that stuff how they can support you can support me right now by putting a pan a fan in my face thank you um you can support the tenant organizing that we do by going to tenant fed on instagram that's mostly where we're active tenant federation dot org you can support the tenant organizing that we do by going to tenant fed on instagram that's mostly where we're active tenant federation dot org um you can get involved in your local tenant union we're organizing get this thanks to your help because you you did some posting on this we we got 686 applications for our union school this summer which means that at a minimum we could be organizing in 15 000 units across the country by september crazy so shit's getting big actually we're in our get big era um so yeah people should get involved get involved in your building get involved in your city-wide union if there's one um you can get involved in your local tenant union we're organizing get this thanks to your help because you you did some posting on this we we got 686 applications for our union school this summer which means that at a minimum we could be organizing in 15,000 units across the country by september crazy so shit's getting big actually we're in our get big era um so yeah people should get involved get involved in your building get involved in your city-wide union if there's one come to union school applications sadly are closed this year but stay in the mix with the tenant union federation aka tough um and if you live in kansas city obviously casey tenants is the place to be shout out yeah love you love you thanks for coming on thanks for having me well spring is here and summer's just around the corner and i for one plan to spend as much time as humanly possible outside in the sunshine after a long winter so if you're like me and want to soak up some rays you got to check out our friends at sunglass hut to get your eyes right for all those fun outdoor activities they have a wide range of styles for the summer you can only find 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