Tan France (Queer Eye)

Hi, it's Rick Glassman from this podcast. We'll get right to the show, but first I wanted to let you know that I'm on my standup comedy tour, Ricky's on the loose and I'm in Dallas this weekend. And if you're in Washington, DC, Montreal, Quebec, Edinburgh or London in the UK, Portland or Eugene in Oregon, Philadelphia, PA or Houston, Texas. My tickets are for sale now at Rick Glassman.com. And if you want to be the first to be notified when I'm coming to your city because I'm adding dates as we speak, go to Rick Glassman.com/tour, sign it from an email list, and I'll let you know. Hey, girls, get started without me. I'll be right there. Hurry up, Rick, seriously. What are you doing? Please, I'll be right there. Now enjoy the show, the show, the show, the show, the show. I want you to know one other thing. Usually, I'm sure you know this, but usually your publicist and your team say, "Okay, I want you to do this podcast, I need you to know I requested this." Oh, shit. I swear to God, I requested this. Really? Yeah. You were the only one that I requested. Dude, when they reached out, I think I even said, I've I think I've messaged you a couple of times. I don't remember. I don't look at DMs. That's the game, baby. That's how you do stuff. My point wasn't, finally, my point was like, of course I want to have a month. I want to have a month before you messaged me. Yeah, so yeah. But yeah, you were the one podcast I had personally asked for. Dude, I'm so excited that you're here. You have no idea how long and how much I've been watching you. That's so long. I don't lie. Okay, we'll get into it then. I don't lie. That's very nice of you. I think I've turned enough people out of your show to get you at least another season. And then we're done. We're wrapped. I know. I was saying. It's so random. All right, I still need 30 seconds. Yeah, I take time. Are you hanging out with us? Are you going to do it? Let's do what we bring up soon. No, no, no, are you going to take a seat? Wait, you're on the couch. Okay, come on, come on. I know we can make out later. Just right now, let's get set up. A lot of drink options. Water still. I'll be so happy. Thank you. But do you mind? I only have a good stuff. Oh, no, that's fine. I'm sorry about that. I set up to sit down. I'm so happy. Look, excuse me, because I would have sat on your outfit. How are you? Um, do you also have a glass, please? But I could, um, I'm making you work. Where's your, um, your, your guy? You can't do it today. I was so sad. I'm so sorry that you do, no, no, I, I'm still, I'm still not ready to, to, I still got to do something upstairs. Go. But hold on, just leave me one for a second. I, uh, McCone, who is the, the camera operator, he, uh, he started working in the only last year. I, um, I've done most of them without him. I love, but I wanted him here, and he's not, and I'm going to have to ask you to come back another time, because there's so many things I want to put on and get your opinion on, and I need a camera operator for that. Closed? Uh, yeah. But today, I'll just do it with personalities. Wow. Okay. Okay. Wow. Okay. I'll happily come into your gen outfit. Okay. But it'll have to be when the camera operator's here, dude. I, you got, for the people at home, 10 respectfully got here a little too early. I got here four minutes early. Are we supposed to do 12? They asked me to arrive at 1145. Well, then your people are telling you to arrive 15 minutes early. That's weird, because I always arrive on time. I've never laid. Not only you're not late. We weren't supposed to do this until tomorrow. Wait. No, no, no, thank God. Um, were we really, are you just playing my leg? What part? That I was ready meant to be at 12 night 1145. I mean, like, that's like the most cleanest prank ever if I was lying to you. I thought you were just being a dick because you weren't ready. Oh, I feel so bad. You thought because I'm not ready instead of taking responsibility. I'm blaming you while still saying, you can be a bit quantity. Well, you haven't watched to see facial expressions long enough to know that that's your seat. All right. Give me 30 minutes. Yeah, 45 tops. Take a full hour. Me and I will be able to just we're gonna chill. High sweet hot. This episode is sponsored by cheers. Take cheers for store after your last drink or before going to bed and wake up feeling at least at least 50% better or your money back for a limited time. Our listeners are getting 20% off the entire order by using code TISO at cheershealth.com. Just had to cheers health.com and use code TISO for 20% off after you purchase. They will ask where you heard about them. Please, please support our show and tell them our show sent you. 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I'm going to be in either Dublin and or Amsterdam and or Berlin and or Paris. I'm trying to figure that out all around the August time. Get tickets at rickglasmin.com. So far. That's fine. Okay. If you don't want to bury the lead, you can talk about Honourable Gays and when they can see it and I'll be right back. Okay. I'm just going to present myself without a co-host. Okay. Honourable Gays. I'll give you guys an elevator pitch for Honourable Gays. So Honourable Gays is my first digital series in I think seven years. My last one was a show called Dressing Funny and it was a Netflix digital series. That was very successful. And now I'm launching Honourable Gays. Yes, you may like me. Now I'm launching Honourable Gays with Rob Anderson and Eric Sedanio. They are two amazing comics and social media personalities. So I love very, very much. I play the judge. They play the lawyers or defendant, whatever. And during each episode, I read out, am I the asshole reddit stories? We all know what. Am I the asshole reddit stories? All right. Yes. And so they still talk about it. It's a long one, man. So I read out the story. They give their opinions. Obviously I give my opinion because I'm obviously wildly opinionated. And then at the end, I decide who is the asshole in the story. We do three stories per episode. I think it's really funny. Also, the most important component is a lot of it is animated. I think the animations make it so fucking funny. I'm just going to swear a lot just because that's me. I don't know you swear on your part. It's fine. We also, you don't know the visuals. We're big on the animations as well, just so you know. Okay. I don't know. Why isn't it available on Spotify? I might be doing that soon. Can I tell you this? Your dog has been licking me for about a minute. And he looked over you. You would shave the nose. Yeah. He just told me. So I need to say something that I'm just getting the exposition out because some jerk offs in the audience are going to be thinking this. Yeah. Can clearly wants the dog to be away. Blah blah blah blah. Leave the dog. Why is the dog there? I am firm believer in fostering a safe space for other people to find their boundaries. Can I tell you this? Also, the most forward person you might meet. And so if I need something, believe me, I'll tell you, if he were a bigger dog, I would be two skeds next to him. So I wouldn't allow it anyway, but he's so common gorgeous. Yeah. And he's going to he's he's as it goes on. And also, he's made me feel so welcome. You were busy. So he thought he would lick me to keep me entertained. What's it going? If I were newer at podcasting, I would start to get nervous right now because I'm excited that you're here and whatever chemicals are going through my body, I now know logically. I ran outside. It was way too hot for a sweater. I put the AC on. I wasn't set up. I will be in one more minute. And I just need to settle in like him. You just chill. Okay. If you also need to lick my socks, feel free. No, it is. But I will say that your temperature in here is gorgeous. I love a cold. I love it when put on a jacket. When it's over 65, I'm like, why would you do that to a person you're interviewing? That's miserable. No one wants that. Thank you for appreciating that. I actually know that you said that I was I'm going to go one lower. Do it. What are you 166? Shall I continue on while he's gone? Okay. So it's animated. So when I'm telling the story on an horrible gaze, we do an animation that's obviously already silly animation. This is not a serious show. These are petty stories. And I just want to be able to comment on other people's lives. I want you all to know that I'm not suggesting that I'm always right but in these situations. I'm right. I thought I'd I just entertain the audience while you're doing your thing. - You're right about what, what happened? - I'm talking about honorable gaze and how I have a right to judge even though I really don't, but I just want to, 'cause I find it fun. - I have a strong take on this, and I'll tell you when I sit down. - Okay, great, man, all right, feel like I'm a little hot. - Do you feel somewhat settled? 'Cause you can take more time, I promise I'm fine. - Much like you? - Yeah, I'll tell you what I need. - Great. - And I need you to lock up for a second, I'm trying to get in the mood. - Okay, great. - Okay. - I think by a lock up American's name, chill. - I've never heard anybody say that other than my grandfather, who has since passed away, thanks for bringing it up, used to tell my grandma, lock up, Gloria. - Does it mean shut up? - Yeah. - And aggressively loving ways, the way I hear it, because the way he would speak to her, and how he felt about it, I was like, that's so funny, and I know he loves her so much. Okay, you don't need him, we might. - Okay, great. - Okay. All right, theme music. Scoot-do. - Love it. - Wow, you edit these podcasts. - So much. - Really? 'Cause I like two fucking hours long. - Oh yeah, you're gonna be here until nine. (laughing) - Okay, great. - So where are you judging if people are who's the asshole and who's not? - Yeah. - You came to a quick assumption about me, without even asking a question, based on the time that you arrived. - Yeah. - Do you think that's gonna get in the way of your show? - No, I think that un-informed judgments. - Yeah. - A fun, a fun and funny. And especially from a break, I think we have the license to be more contented than you guys. - Okay. - I think the Americans allow it. - Do better with this, do better with, bring this. - I don't usually have a mic. So do you, you can set me up, however you want. Is this going? - Yeah, maybe this one. - I'll double check this. - I started to rely on having somebody else here. - Yeah, really good. - Yeah, I think that you guys appreciate it, allow it and expect it from the brits. You can, I think that you just allow that the brits are gonna be a little bit harsh. But I don't think we're mean. I just think that we're blunt. - Sure. I don't think when anybody does it, if I trust their intention is me. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I do think there's something that Americans do for people in the UK, which is just assume their blank, whatever it might be. They assume they're smart. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - They assume that they're not being country because it's cultural, whatever it is. You guys get what I always want in any relationship, even friendship. You guys get a very quick benefit of the doubt. - Yeah, we do get a pass. It goes away pretty quickly. Like once, especially when you're in the public eye, they give you that for a while and then after a while, like, okay, we know you well enough to know you will. I just think it ticked it. - I went back and forth with how I would ask questions. I wanna ask questions by queer. I know it's ended, and I know you're moving on. And I'm not a gotcha podcast. And I don't like speaking negatively of other people. We bleep stuff. So I'm not prying. - Go. - I've heard rumors of issues with people in this and that I'm not asking names, I'm not asking who. - Yeah. - With you being on a show like that, where the show is secretly about you guys. - Yeah. - But people watching think it's about the guys. - Kind of. - Yeah. - The show doesn't work without the personalities. - No. - You know, like the show doesn't work without you guys or people that could do what you guys do. - Yeah. - Knowing that you're there for something where it's where you wanna look good, you wanna be funny, you wanna be talented, whatever it might be. - Yeah. - But you're trying to help people. Does that make it easier to do and were you able to do it longer because of that? Does that question make sense? - Maybe the one more time. - Sure, Britney Spears. I sometimes watch, I won't name names, but I see certain people and I see some interactions. I see some people hug more than others. - Yeah. - I've heard some rumors about some stuff. - Yeah. - But they did it, maybe you edited around stuff. But like, it really seemed like there was the Fab Five trying to help whoever it might be. - Yeah. - And when you hate somebody or if you dislike somebody that you're being creative with, it's very difficult. But if you're on a basketball team with somebody you don't like, "Hey, as long as we're helping score, it's okay." Did it feel more like a team in that way or was it like production? - I will say this, the beautiful thing about the show and the dynamic between us is that we didn't have to edit around anything because we weren't fighting. - Right. - And the disagreements we had that we disagreements that we weren't doing in front of the hero ever. Like, if we had disagreements, it was in a trailer. It was behind the scenes. It wasn't, imagine if you were our hero and this was y'all coming up. - You're not an old man. (laughing) - We would never dream of having that disagreement in front of you. And so it never affected the job, necessarily. And I do think that maybe I will never speak for the others, but what I will say is I work really well as a team. Like, there have been opportunities where I will get offered a job to host something myself. I'm like, I want other people with me. I think I do better with an ensemble I just do. And so anything that may have been a disagreement, it wasn't going to ever show up for you guys. And that's really exciting for us. I'm a beautiful for us show that nobody should have known if there were problems behind the scenes. That wasn't, it would have been such a shitty thing to do. For you guys to ever think, God, I don't trust that there's care and love and respect in the situation. That's not for the audience. That's for us privately to deal with. And I think for a long time we were just, that's the space that we offered at the audience. We offered them a really safe, loving space. And then too much got out that shouldn't have been out. And I was disappointed, not, I mean, I understand it's all here. But I didn't look into it more. I'm not asking you not just because we're public, it's not in my business. I would watch it every now and then I'd creep in my head and see what the truth is, these are humans, was that? It's not sad though, that that would creep in. A little, I still, it didn't make me love the show any less. But it made me not as present with it sometimes. I know, and that really hurts my heart that for some people has been the legacy, but for me, the legacy of the show is we created something so beautiful and positive. And that's not just a line. Look, as the Brits, I will always say if something's really fucking frustrating. Oh, the show is, it's, or something shitty, but the show I think is beautiful. So well done, I do believe everybody. Yeah, and I want you to know that everything that we say on the show, we don't have a script. There's no such thing as a script on our show. And so everything that we say is honest. And so even if your opinion has been somewhat muddied by what you may see in the press, I want the audience. Now, what we did on the show was not a lie. We showed so much love and respect to everybody that we work with and so much love and respect to each other. You couldn't get through nine years, was it nine years or eight and a half years? If there wasn't at least some respect for each other, I would like to believe. Yeah, when I brought that up, I didn't think it'd muddy the legacy. Maybe that's just what you have felt. I just, it's like, oh, shut up. Yeah. And I also, when you and if either you are Antony, when you guys get emotional, it just, I start, because it doesn't happen much, and I'm a big cryer. So when you guys go, I'm just, I've only ever cried twice in eight and a half years on the show. Yeah, I don't cry a lot on the show. So when I do, you know, I really am feeling it. I'm not much of a cryer. This isn't, you're not here. I mean, you're here for a few reasons that you have Honorable Gay, which you talked about for the first 35 minutes of this podcast. But, but, and I know we're not here to promote a show that's not even on the air anymore, but I still just have to say, and I've talked about this on this podcast a bit. Queer eye on Netflix. It's not just a great show. It's truly one of my favorite shows when it's, I rewatch stuff all the time. So when there's something I want to rewatch, either sitting down eat or I'm trying to work around the house. Yeah, that's one of them. When I go someplace and with my parents or with friends and like, what do we watch? Yeah, I don't know. It's either entourage, sex in the city or queer eye to be honest with you. Oh, thank you so much. I'm so proud of the show. It's so good. Again, there's some weird stuff that's happened over the last few months, but God, I look back and I just think. What's happened over the last few months? Just like the stuff that was in the past. Oh, is that going even more? Because I remember that last year. No, no, that got it. What just the feeling of, oh my gosh, this is our last season. The audience might feel some kind of way. It is, I still, I still look back at it and think, I couldn't be more proud. I love that people feel so passionate about the show and that we did something that I don't think any of the show has done. I don't know. Personally, I believe that. I don't know. I don't know that genre that well. Like, I remember the original queer eye, I was young. I was only 29. But when it first came out, I saw someone, I liked it. And I always liked your show. And then, and I watched them all. But it was the season, I think, right after your COVID season. Oh, yeah. Was it New Orleans? No, we were in Austin. Austin. Yeah. Dude. And then, and then, then unbelievable. And I, then, since we went back and rewatched. But I'm going to Austin soon for comedy. I love it. And I think I want to go to Safe in Austin. Oh, yeah. It's incredible. She's incredible. Unbelievable. I know. I'm going to start crying if we talk about it more. She's a beautiful person. Is that your favorite episode? Do you think? don't know. but unequivocably, unequivocably, whatever it is, the one that I think my eyes were wet more than they weren't, more than any other episode. Oh, wow. I love that episode, but there are a lot of stuff. Tell me something. What are some of yours? So I've only ever watched every episode once. I've never seen them because we watched them for, like, a world we'll do. Premiers, so we have to go and sit in the audience and watch it. And I always watch to make sure I'm happy with my edit because we shoot so much. We don't know. Okay, I imagine. And so you don't know what made it and you don't know what story arc there is because we have an idea of it. Can I explain how it works? I was going to ask. Okay. So we're given what we call-- Can I interrupt you a whole bunch and ask questions as much as you'd like? As much as you like. Go, I want you to tell me everything you're given, but I also want to know-- I want you to tell me this is before you ever meet the hero. Yeah. Tell me all that first. Okay. It changed a lot within the last few years, but what used to happen is, like, a month beforehand with no. As much as you guys know, when we're reading what we call the dossier at the start of the episode, we get that. But then I send an additional question to our hero through the producers. I never meet with the heroes beforehand. We-- or none of us do. We never get to meet the hero beforehand. When we see them on camera, that truly is the first time we've ever met them. And we don't retake the intro like none of that. And so I get the information, I send them a question there, and I got to-- I got to doing that after season one or two, after season two, because I needed more information. And I needed to know, okay, the store that we're going to make the most sense of this person. So let's say, for example, it was you. I would ask you, what's your favorite color? What color do you absolutely hate? What's your favorite print? What prints would you never wear? What are you wearing around the house? I would love it if it was absolutely. What would you wear on a date? What is the thing that makes you feel the best when you were growing up? What's that one piece of clothing that really meant something to you and made you feel fantastic? So those kind of questions, where do you shop? Where would you never shop? What kind of budget do you have for shopping? And so those kind of questions really helped us dictate where we should take that hero. Now what people don't understand is this. Sometimes the store I want to go to, I can't get permission to go to, they won't release us. And so, I can't go to the store or the store doesn't have any of the sizing that we need, or I don't know the person that we are interviewing something like that. Yeah, I was two things happened and I was going to wait, I'm taking it out because we had a break. Yeah, there you go. I'm not sick. I was sick two weeks ago. Okay. I have a lingering little bit of a thing. That's all right. I forgot that I have a mucinex. I wanted to take it. I couldn't just pop a pill without acknowledging it. I also couldn't keep clearing my throat. It's okay. It's okay. So. Second. I forgot. I use your microphone for something earlier. It's finally finally mixed. But it's a hot mic. Okay. I mean, you're one more time. 10.90. 7.90. I'm sorry, everybody. Continue. Thank you. It's because I turned off early. It's my fault. I know. I know it's my fault. Thank you for being here early. It's all right. It's all right. It's better than being fucking late. Usually, today I wouldn't have minded if you were 5.10 late. I was a little. Do you know what? Okay. I'm not promising I want to come back to what I was saying. But Delaney was on your podcast. Yes. A bit of a crush on it. I like her very much. And she had commented saying that I think she was 2 minutes early, like a couple of minutes. I know I'm 50 minutes early now, but she was a couple of minutes early and you weren't ready. You were 20 minutes early. I was 20 minutes early. She was 2 minutes early and you weren't ready for her either. And it just made me think, I wonder if you're just not ready. Okay. And we're going to go back to what you're saying. I love this. Now we're meeting each other. Okay. So, when I say you're early, that wasn't a criticism. I know. I know. Okay. You being early was me feeling the need for right or wrong to explain that I'm not ready. And with a little bit of defensiveness, well, it's not 12 yet and I'm aware of that. There are times when I'm not ready, usually. And I should do better at this. Usually, I'm at least, I'm ready. I'd be ready at, I know what it is. I'm ready at 12. Because I know that I need three minutes to get everything done. So if I have more than three minutes, I'll take that extra look in the mirror. I'll drink a little magic mind. I'll make sure I'll double check the cards or format it. And then once it's 5, 1157, it's go time big. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember what the Delaney thing was. If she was 2 minutes early, I would have been ready in 2 minutes. I've got no comment to that other than she was early. You were not ready. It is what it is. It is what it is. Anyway. I'll have to look back. So typically 2 to 3 minutes late. So this is a very strange situation for me. Anyway, so many factors come into play when we're deciding where we need to take somebody. Like most of the time, the biggest issue is I really want to take them to, I don't know, let's say, just for argument, say, Jake Rube. Can I say a brand on here? I've not sponsored by them in any way. So let's say, for example, Jake Rube's son. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so let's say about wanting to take them to Jake Rube, we don't have the clearance to take them to Jake Rube. So how long before you meet them, is this a week? It used to be a month, now it's about a week or it will up until the last couple of seasons, it was about a week. And so you're scrambling to find somewhere also, you really want to promote that city that you're in. And so you try and go to local boutiques, but when you go to a local boutique, the selection isn't as large. Right. So there are so many factors that come into play, so sometimes obviously I see what goes on online. And the reason why I watch the show is to make sure I'm happy with the outfits and sometimes in person looks a certain way. And I've never watched the show, just the premieres and stuff. Yeah. Just to look at the other. I watch them all once. So I can see my scene to make sure I'm happy with the outfit. And then at least I'm armed for when I do an interview and somebody's like, well, what were you thinking with this outfit? And I'm like, do you know what? That's a really good question. We could not get the size. The size that I wanted wasn't available. It's all we could go for. Why not acknowledge that? On the show, I do, I have no control over an edit. I see the show when you, I mean, okay, sometimes a week or two before, but I see the show pretty much when the public sees the show. So I don't, I don't think we already talk about the, the kinks and stuff behind the scenes. No. No one really wants to know that. I don't. Okay. And why are we talking about it? I'm telling you because I know that the audience often will say, I didn't love what you did with that look. I'm like, I know I didn't. So I think I could do about it. It was out of my hand. I'll remember the question. Go ahead. No, that was it. So I just wanted to say that the reason why I don't work, I only watch once is for to make sure I'm happy with the, the outfits other than that. I don't want to show because it's very, it's still after all these years awkward to watch yourself on TV. A lot of actors say they don't like watching themselves. Yeah. I understand that and I'm not one of them. I, if there's, sometimes it's tough. It's tough. Yeah. I, even when it is, I want to know, oh, don't do that next time or I want to know do more of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But in the moment, maybe it's different for you. Do you only do script it? No. Okay. I'm a comedian. So like, I mean, I'm watching myself on stage or I'm in front of stuff for a year. Okay. I think it's a lot different for a comedian who just stand up because you range know what landed and what it did in. But for unscripted work, where you just do a podcast. Yeah. We do it. At a time when my scenes are typically three hours, we can, we can ask for however long run. When my scenes are three hours, it's kind of hard to be like, don't walk with like that. Don't stand like that. Don't do this. Don't do that. Oh, yeah. I wasn't speaking for vanity things. Yeah. I was talking about interpersonal and like, performance. Yeah. Am I being authentic? And if so, do I like that? And if not, it's not even about on camera. Yeah. I think I've grown as a person so much having this podcast. Really? And seeing your reactions now, I'm projecting, seeing them in the, on the monitor. Yeah. I realize, you know, I think it really helps. That's understandable. Okay. You, you are very kind to people in a way that I believe. With a certain intention. One, I, I don't know you, you seem very kind. But it seems your intention behind that isn't just to be kind to them, to, to bullshit them or to make a show. But also sometimes I think your kindness is, I disagree with you sometimes. Like sometimes you say, oh, this is great. Or you look great in this. But I disagree sometimes, but even when I do, I check in with this thing, which I think is really cool that you do this. Your job, tell me if you agree or not, this seems to not just be to dress them well, but to make them feel good and close. Yeah. And I feel like I'm going to get emotional right now because that, that, this translates to me in, in other things outside of clothes. Yeah. And I've talked about this in some things where I used to think my mom was lying to me until I realized, no, that's really her amazing perspective on life. And she really believes this is the best omelette she's ever had. Like it's not that, it doesn't need to be that, that literal. Sometimes people are indifferent to clothes, sometimes people hate them and they just want to wear, I mean, I wear sweats almost, I love sweaters, I love sweats because I could sleep in them and wear them out. You make people think, oh, I could do this, whether they will continue after you or not. And I think that's a certain type of eye that I want you to like explain to me if you got that from the show or if that's how you see things in life. I could go on. But do you understand what I'm getting? Yeah. Could you explain it a little bit differently? First off, first off, I will say, I, I, I would like to believe the, or the way I feel about it. Again, I don't want to speak for others, but I've always seen kindness as a choice. I can be conti when I want to be conti, but I usually choose, choose kindness. I'm only choosing aggression when I feel that towards me. It's very rare. I would like to believe that if you were to. interview any of my classmates, they would say on any of my shows, he will always be nice, but if you are mean to him and the intention is wrong, he will bite your hand up and I will. And I like that duality. I think that one should have that. I think that one should always lead with kindness. And so when I meet our heroes, they've given me no reason to be anything other than the most lovely with them. I want to help them. But even if the work, cameras, I would always choose to be nice and I want them to feel the best they can feel. And so sometimes a night, nicety feels like a way of manipulating a situation to make somebody feel a certain way, which we get a conversation about pros and cons of that. But there's a specific nicety that I'm talking about you. It's you're giving somebody something. You're giving something, not just the clothes, you're giving somebody something. And I think that's a skill set that that I have been conscious of that I want to be better at because I want people to speak to me a certain way. And I believe things at face value or I'm very skeptical. I have a hard time with a gray area. When if you were to tell me I look good in something and I don't think I look good in it, I won't believe you. You do it in a certain way where it's like, oh, maybe this doesn't fit me the way that I don't like it. But maybe it's because I'm focusing on my insecurity and you're not because you're not me. Yeah. I think that it's, I don't think it's kindness I think for me, I think it's just honesty. When if I, I'm sure you've noticed, if you've watched enough of queer and it sounds like you have, I can be quite harsh about what people are choosing to do on their bodies. But I think that that's the kind thing to do because I want them to know it's not serving them. And the reason why they're feeling a certain way and they're constantly doing it at their clothes is because that thing that they say they're happy with, they're not happy with. And so I think it's, it's the kind of thing to do to say, that doesn't work for you. Why would you choose that? Let me offer you something else and I'm not ever, I would like to think this is true. I'm not ever. Okay. Yeah, I thought I felt warm and I was like, did you pee? I would like to believe that when I say to somebody, hey, this isn't working for you. I think this is what you should wear. It's not based on something I would wear. It's very rare. I put somebody in something I would wear personally. My style is my own style. I'm giving you something that I think you're awesome. Thank you so much. But it wouldn't work for you. It wouldn't work for most people. I want you to wear something that I think works for you will make you feel good about yourself. 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After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them our show sent you. Cheers. The way you talk about people's bodies is where I'm thinking about it the most that I like. Like, I'm really particular about body. If you want to talk about bodies, I would fucking love to talk about bodies. Sorry. I mean, let me start with this. I am not a muscle gay. A muscle gay? A muscle gay. Like I'm not Anthony. Anthony's body is a dinosaur's body. Sometimes when, especially when he's coming out of a pool or something, either they make it the slow motion very slow, like subtle, like 95%. But I sometimes I watch him walk and like, is that slow motion? Or is that just what it seems like when it's sure to go? Do you know what? That boy is wild. Like when he's around, it's amazing watching people watch Anthony. It's very funny. And it does feel like a slow mo. I don't know what season it was, but there was one where I feel like he talked to production. It was like, let's get a couple of extra shirt off shots. I will say this. I have no right to talk to him, but he's family. I'm hoping he will let me say this and not be upset about it. He is usually the one who's like, I'm not doing that. I don't want to take my shirt off. Oh, it's production. Well, they know what they're doing. I mean, they're very honest about it. Like, I'm a straight man. The girls gave them some of the straights will love this. And so he will often just have to back down, but he will typically fight it and fight it and fight it on the show. Anyway, so I'm not a muscle gay. And I a lot of my life, I absolutely hated my body. I was a very, very, very skinny kid. I was extremely premature. And the doctors with my mom took me to the doctors many times as a kid because I had such bad anxiety about how my body looked. And the doctor's kept saying he's so premature. Because you're too skinny. So skinny. How old are you when you were feeling insecure? 12, 13, like in peak, we do call it pee in America, physically, physical education. Okay. I used to take pee class every week and in the showers afterwards. I would be mortified. Everybody outside a normal size body. I was short. You could see my ribs. I was a very, very skinny person. And so I felt so insecure about it. And it took me years to put on weight to be a regular size. And so when I help people on Queer Eye, even though I know so many people will hate me saying this, those who have a larger body, I still understand how you can feel about your body, even though I have a shockingly skinny body. I do understand that wild insecurity and the worry that people looking at you, the worry that people won't find you attractive. I feel those things. And I know that many family members who will be like, "Pitch, you don't know what we're talking about. Look how skinny you are. For me, calling me skinny is not a compliment. That's not a nice feeling. I don't like when people call me skinny because I just think you're making it seem like I'm not a cool hot gay. And that's a horrible feeling too. I can't compete with those things. I understand that when I was younger, I had a very hard time putting on weight. And when people say I was skinny, I did think of it as like another way of like you're saying you're weak. You're not enough. You're not a man. For me, it was you're not a man. But you know, I do also understand like being cold, I'd rather be cold, I could put on a jacket than hot, and I can only take off so much. I know. I'm not a saying. People might not like it, but it's a real thing. You get insecure about what you're insecure about. And I'm not saying that being skinny is the same experience. Come on, dude. Being a vegan beast. However, I understand the pain to a certain extent. I understand the pain to a certain extent, looking in the mirror thinking, I know people have a negative opinion of my body. And so when I speak to people on queer eye, regardless of what their body is, I really try to remind them, it's you, you should feel beautiful. I want you to feel confident in the body. You have it. It's the only one you've gotten. It took me a long time to get here, a really long time to get here, where I can look at myself and think, this isn't the most important thing about me. I'm okay with my body. I don't think it's gorgeous. Then I don't think it's hideous. It's my body. And it serves me. Yeah, I understand. And that's a very enlightened place to live until you look in a mirror, or until you're going someplace or you see a picture. I don't look in mirrors very much. I don't feel insecure about the way I look. I think sometimes I look handsome and sometimes I'd like Jesus. What's going on? I accepted. I used, I don't know. I think everybody except for really hot people, and it's all relative to how you see yourself. I have to accept a certain person. I'm a hot person, and this is my identity now, or I'm not a hot person, even if I am, or you are, whoever it might be. But it is what it is. As a comedian, I think it's a lot better because when you look bad, it's funny. At least in performance, not when everyone wants to look at at least good enough to what they're capable of. But I now like have a thing where when people take like you take a picture, if I want to take a picture with somebody, I don't look at it. Not yet. When I find that, when I look at a picture right away, I'm looking to see how I look. When I look at a picture a day, a week, a month later, I'm looking at them, they'd see the memory of what it was. I see that. And I know like that has tricked me into things because I used, I was always very skinny, and then I started working out. I got in pretty good shape, but my chest was always flat. My legs were always skinny. And I was like insecure about them. And I see pictures of me from 10 years ago. I'm like, dude, I was fucking yoked. Oh, yeah. So I think about this now, like, imagine what I could be looking like, like, just appreciate this. Oh, yeah. I will say though, you're not 30 yet. And in your 30s, I think you're going to feel better than ever. And I think that your perspective will change a lot on your body. I do. I almost am 30. So we'll see. I don't think it'll happen in your early 30s, but when you creep towards 40, I think you'll start to appreciate the body that you have. Things will start to ache and hurt and feel uncomfortable. And I think I swear you'll feel better about it. Once you feel those aches and pains, you'll feel better. I could say even in my late 20s, I am connecting with that. I am starting to feel better. I don't feel that unnecessary. Yeah, I am. And I'll be telling you something else. I have a new relationship over the past few years now with close. I, this is one of these episodes where I'm feeling myself that I'm going to be watching it and Ricky talking too much. You don't have to come. I would love for you to come back another time. I'm an LA all the time. Great. So I, I'm very sensitive to lots of different things. I've gotten better with it. An easy way to explain it is I have OCD and you have to sit on a blanket. I don't like wearing pants pants full pants, meaning like full pants. Yeah. Okay. You know, buttons unless they fit perfect and elastic isn't that way. Okay. Then I discovered Isabel Morant. Am I saying is that right? Apparently, Isabel Morant pants that are the coolest? I wear them. I wear them in my favorite pants. They're the coolest pants. They're elastic. These pants are so fucking cool and I could sleep in them. I need to find other outfits where I could still wear these pants. I'll treat these pants like it's a watch. Yeah. Yeah. And I have this new relationship with clothes where I don't wear them all the time and I love them. Okay. And I found brands that I like. Corridor is one that I really like. Helmet Lane is one that I really like. Incidentally, these are brands that are quite expensive as I name these and I'm starting to understand. Oh, yeah. Expensive stuff is kind of, it's not all marketing. It is, but it's always better. There's a, I've tried on a lot of Morant pants. In fact, I have some here that I'm now returning. Yeah. No, but I haven't found no expensive stuff that I love like that. Can I just give you a recommendation? Yes. If you haven't tried Uniclo, Uniclo is great. I've never been heard of it. Get out. Wow. Is it a, is it a store that curates other brands? Or is it their own brand? It is one of the largest brands in the world. That's the way to sound condescente, but it's all the lost. Is that, is that, did I go to one? I went someplace in Brooklyn once. You and I Q L O is it, I think it's Japanese. I did go there. I did go there. They have these elasticated pants that I'm obsessed with. I've got them in every color. You and I, you and I Q L O. I don't know if that's the same place. It's wonderful. And you can get wonderful pants and they've got every kind of pant. You can, every, it's a massive sort. It's like a superstar. You can get probably everything you could ever want from this store. Will you please try it? There's one in L.A. There's one everywhere. That is, it's as common as H&M. And so, yes. Check out an elasticated pant from them. From them that will look lovely, feel lovely. I have noticed twice you've now said, I could sleep in it. Is that the, like the bench bar? If I can't sleep in it, then I'll still wear it. Okay. But I'll have to wear for a reason. Yeah. But same. I need you to know. But for a reason, isn't going out in the world. For a reason is going on stage, going on a date. Yeah. A lot of times I dress for, for other people. Yeah. Like I'm going someplace. Don't wear that. You can't, you know, you might feel that I'm being disrespectful if I go to a house part of yours wearing this. And I'll ask, but sometimes it's just like, just put on pants. You're going to dinner with grandma. Just put on some pants. I think that people expect that I'm always judging what they're wearing. On honorable days, I judge everything. I don't usually give a fuck about what someone's wearing. I do for TV. For TV, I do. And most of it is so selfish. It's because I'm always thinking, God, what are they thinking about what I'm wearing? It's my job. And if I don't look nice, that's a problem. They don't like what I'm wearing. Like a personal trainer who's not in shape. And they don't have to be, they can still be very educated. Absolutely. That's exactly it. But people just expect that because I work in this world, I must always look great to all look good. Whereas most of the time, I just want to be comfortable. And I'm not concerned about what somebody else's wearing. I barely notice someone else has got a head. Let alone what they're wearing. It's so rare. Unless somebody asks me, I don't, I don't notice. Are you comfortable in what you're wearing now? Yeah, I'm very comfortable in what right now. But don't you think what you're wearing now is a very cool look? I like what I'm wearing. I don't look close on that I don't like. Right. I is very helpless, but I, but I'm not doing it because I'm not, I'm not concerned about what you're wearing. I'm put something on nice because I want to feel nice. I want to put a magnifying glass on that. And I, my audience is, is, is, is almost exclusively hot women and socially awkward guys. Okay. The hot women I get. Thank you. So with socially awkward people, a lot of that comes with either how are people seeing me and not unrelated. How do I feel? Yeah. You said you don't put on clothes that you don't like. That's where my new relationship with clothes is kind of coming. I want my wardrobe to be only things I like. Yeah. And there's a level of 100 percent. I could sleep in it versus I'll, I'll be fine in it, right? I need to know I, I, I do the same. But I, but I don't have enough clothes that I like everything. They're clothes that I have that are like, okay, that's a problem. But, but I'm, I am truly fine and I'm walking my dog. It's whatever. Yeah. But like, as a metaphor and literally it's a sweatsuit. Some sweatsuits are, you look like a D1 athlete in. And some are like, that's doesn't flatter you. This doesn't fit you. This is too small. This is too old. It's on. Yeah. So I am currently in that process of not willing to get rid of certain clothes because they do feel so good. But I don't look good in them. I don't feel like I look good in them. But I haven't found something to take its place yet. You go to these stores for three hours, and then you find a couple of outfits you tried on in front of the Fab Five, and that's great. But when we see the closet, it does look like you curate a full closet. Is that correct? Right. I have those. Just so you know, for a thousand dollars. That's crazy. You guys were a hit show. That's all they give you. Yeah. Sometimes the brand will give, like, gift us stuff, um, up to a set up. So production, uh, production of some paper is just whatever the trade is for you. Yeah. But no, they give us a thousand dollars. The store does or production, production doesn't the stores two outfits or three outfits. So whatever you put on on the, on camera, you get to keep those. Yeah. So that ain't easy. No, it's really hard cause they're full closets. Yeah. People expect you to pull out miracles. I'm like, oh, we don't like that shit. You put on. I'm like, you try curating a full closet, you guys were a hit show. Yeah. This is me judging industry and stuff. Yeah. Give you, give you five thousand. That's not going to touch them. Yeah. No, I know. I know. Anyway, I don't have a closet that I'm, I do want to add to this and I'm so sorry to do this to you. Also, I, I really need to add the fact that I never talk about clothes outside of Queer Eye. People always ask me, but I'm like, I don't care about that. That's how I know you. And I love that side of you. So I know there's more. I know. No, no, no. I don't know. I'm not saying so much more to me. That's what people know me for. But I need you to know it. It's so rare I'm thinking about clothes so rare, but that's the gift. It's so intuitive to you. Yeah. Like you said, you like everything you have. You know how to put stuff together. But what I will say to that is it's because I got rid of the things that didn't make me feel nice. So I don't know. You see, you don't have anything else to replace it. If you get rid of those things, you will be forced to replace it. I, I, I am on a mission. Yeah. I do this stuff. I actually, and this might be a free plug. I recently started sponsoring my podcast, and I don't know if it's in this, but Revolve is, is really pushing a lot of men's clothing. Oh, I didn't. I did, man. Oh, yeah. And, and I like it. I mean, I have the brands that I mentioned. I mean, I'm really, I'm not doing an ad right now. Yeah. I love browsing. Yeah. The problem is as great as something is it's 90% fit, you know, but, you know, you try it on and you mail it back. That's what I was saying. I'm doing that. Yeah. But I'm trying to find a Fred Siegel, which has since closed. Yeah. I love it because they just curated all these cool clothes. And I love going there. Yeah. Maybe I'll get one piece every five times I go. Yeah. But I am looking. I'm looking constantly. Can I give you a tip as well? You know, that pair of pants, I don't know, I'm pointing that, but you did say something about Israel. Israel run over that. Are they that? Okay. Right. Yeah. I'm a, this is an assumption. I'm assuming you're doing all right. You could get them remade in a bunch of colors of fabrics that you like. That's what I suggest. You know, it's funny that you said that there's a pair of sweat pants that I like so much. I love, and I had them, well, I don't know what it's called, but they made the cardboard and the measure. I did that. And I wanted to like sell it as merch because people commented on my sweats a lot because I've curated it. Pretty cool. You okay? Whoa, whoa, whoa. It had the allergies that happened sometimes. So these are the pants. These are the ones you love are these ones you're returning that I love. I'm going to put them in. Right. I would love to see. This is so fun. So why the shorts and you do sometimes like a long pen. Did you say you don't usually wear a long pant though? Is it just this pant, usually you're in shorts? During the day, I'm in shorts. Okay. So can you just stand and tell me what it is that you like so much about the very nice, but what is it? I'll tell you what what the magic sauce is. Yeah. The elastic is just perfect. Yeah. I love it elastic. And I find and I've tried on so many of the elastic things. They don't come in waste and length. They come in small. I know. I know. I know. I am relatively skinny and tall. Oh, and it doesn't it suck. I get it. But they're too short. Yeah, I get it. And then what I've tried is well, then just buy really big and get them tailored. It never. No, I know. No, I know. These. Perfect. So then. Okay. Also, they remind me of like sister act two Lauren Hill pants. Like this is like. Yeah. Would you stand one more time? Could I make a couple of suggestions? Yeah. Get directly. No, that's not an issue at all. Get them remade. But maybe do some versions that don't have all the pockets. Of course. So that you could you could then dress them up. Also, they're so identifiable because of the baggie in the pocket. It's I'm wearing them all. I'm aware of that. Yeah. I just want another pair that I haven't I haven't really put together yet. But they're not the they're drawstring, but they're not stretch. They're not stretch, but they have this. Yeah. It's not the same, but you know, you got to I mean, I love them, but they are so far removed from what you're wearing, which I'm what I'm looking for. I'm looking to have a couple of like, they're different enough. I think you need to listen to me. Okay. What did you tell me? I get them made. Yeah. Do you have somebody that does that? I do. Make a recommendation. I'll give you a minute. So wait a minute. So I'm going to get these made. Yeah. But they don't make these anymore. Yeah. Moranta. I'm looking on their store. Great. And there's sometimes I find something that I like and you get two of them because there's only nine things I always I always do that. Yeah. I don't have another pair of these. Yeah. So I would want to get another pair of these. Yeah. And then I want to be like, let's fuck around and figure something different. Do it in our black. Do it in an olive. But do it in other colors that you could wear every day. You've got those on. Just different. If I become more recognizable. Yeah. Because one of the identifiable things with me I think is because I talk about comfort and safety and clothes and blah, blah, blah. Like I kind of want to have a line of clothes that are that, you know, for for people with fabric and sensitivities and close sensitivities, like you could sleep in it. You could go on a date and it, you know, something like that. Yeah. Like maybe it's merch or whatever. I mean, I think like to get these would be expensive. But like I love the idea of clothes like these are cool clothes that you can sleep in. But if you were to do them, you could make a version of them that's like $150. That's accessible. It's accessible. It's not cheap, but it's accessible. It's not a designer price. I'm going to take you up on you, you, I mean, not necessarily making this into something I'm offering to other people, but I want to have pants made for you. Yeah. You should. You absolutely should. But get them in a couple of colors that don't have all the details and then you can wear them a thousand times to no one will ever know always the same black pattern. We're not all the details because I do not have an eye for this until I put them on. Yeah. That's something I say, hey, could you make me a version of the details or is there something that you'll like CC me on and be like, hey, maybe less pockets? I'll add you to an email and I'll just tell them what to do. I almost exclusively wear my merch because I found clothes that fit me well. This is like, I'm just building my own clothes. What's that? He merch is branded. I'm assuming. Say it again. Your merch is branded. I'm assuming. Does that mean? Does it have like your name on it? Are you talking about stuff? Yes, but it's still white labeled stuff. Okay. But yeah, okay. Okay. You know the brand comfort colors? No. Whenever somebody has merch and it's comfort colors, which I don't even have. Yeah. I buy it. Okay. I'm talking too much. And we're talking too specific about this stuff. It's all right. They love inside baseball. I'm just getting insecure is not the best word, but it's the closest I have to getting insecure now that like, you're somebody who I've been wanting on for years and now I'm just asking you about my pants. That's so nice. No, I love that you're asking me about this. I know. I've got a question. What the fuck is that? I have that's it's for I have Jewish joints and I've had some surgeries and that's you can change the resistance. Oh. I thought you were just doing your full on workouts at home. I'm like, where's the other one? I don't think you're doing that right? No, yeah. Okay. I do it with isolated stuff. Okay. Great. No, we can talk about clothes all you want. It's just, it's typically, I need you to know outside of Quora, I don't, I don't talk about clothes because you put it in such a box and I swear this is a defensive thing. You put it in such a box because then people think, oh, he, all he cares about is clothes on my. I understand. And it seems like you talk about a lot because people bring it up. Yeah. And I'm never upset about it. That's what they know me for. However, I really wish people knew. I think that people think I'm so superficial that all I care about is clothes and I want to say it's the last thing I'm thinking about most days. For what it's worth, I think that you're a guy that knows about clothes and you help people and I never thought anything about that. That's for sure. I mean, I'm not even being flattering. I'm just like, yeah, you just imagine it's like who, yeah, no. You know, it's funny, I said I'm not really going to talk about queer eye anymore because it's done. But I will set, but I want to mention this point. On queer eye, I think I would love to know if, I would love to know your perspective because I'm usually around people I know when I talk this in depth about my work. On the show, yes, I deal with clothes, but I would like to believe that most of the time on queer eye, I'm just having a conversation and finding out about the life. I think when I do a good job of it, I might be wrong. I think when I do a good job of it is having a really human connection with everyone I meet under the show. I just so happen to also talk about clothes, but most of the time, I'm not talking about that clothes I'm talking about. Tell me about your life, what the fuck is going on? Because I think I'm the most, actually, I know this to be true. On queer eye, when there's a problem, when there's a hero and they're not really opening up, I'm always the one that's brought in. I'll say, "Tan doesn't have a filter," and he has wildly inappropriate questions. I get a pass like no other American gets, and so I can ask the shit that the others can't. I think I have this luxury on the show of being able to say, "Well, were you the problem in your divorce? Is that why you got a divorce as opposed to the other person?" Because you're saying it's their problem, but it sounds like it's you. The only one who has that permission because you guys take it differently from me. I don't know how much that's on camera. I've seen you do that a couple of times and I've would have I agree with you. Yeah. I do think and he has more at bats, but I do think Chromo has done a good job with that. Amazing job. That's literally his his role on the show. So you see that more. And if I do that, you were the two, if I do too much of it, they for sure edit it out because that is Chromo's job of the show. And I think Chromo does a wicked job. Like sometimes the only times that I cry at home watching the show is Chromo scenes. Yeah. You guys, for whatever the relationship stuff is, the group works, it's great. I will say this. I personally thought and think that our relationship on the show was fucking beautiful. I do. I had no idea. I do. And also, if you even are interested and you didn't know, I didn't hear anything that was scandalous. It's just like, oh, these people didn't really get on that well or whatever it might be, which I think is so inflated. I think it's such bullshit because everyone's wanting to click, but like the click plate shit of it all, that's not I might be in that's not the case. I'm forgetting his name. The guy that he came in, Jeremiah, love of my life. I referred to a user, I still do refer to you as hair, but for two of you guys now, I mean, the hair on you guys, I'll sometimes I'm just like, I get, I get Jeremiah is so fucking pretty. He's so pretty and his husband's an angel and his kids are amazing. He is, but I don't know what his faults are. I'm yet to find his flaws. Well, you only had two seasons with him for years. He's been a friend of mine for years. I've known him for a long time and I love him very, very, very much. I'm free to come and believe though, I did not get him hired. I had a lot of things. I was out of thing to people. Yeah, that was the most of the issue. It was that I got my friend hired and I need to make it clear once I brought them, we can lay this to rest. You really can't get somebody hired on a show. Like there's a whole massive Netflix division for casting. You get them to look at them though. Not even that. Well, you should of used your friend here, a hard job without a doubt. The hardest and everybody and the audience seemed to love him, which was such a relief. I did. I couldn't have done that job. I couldn't have replaced somebody that's also so much of what he does isn't being shown. You know, it's like he's, you have three hours. He's got to be the whole week. He's doing stuff. Yeah, he's he gosh, that boy works so hard. I like both of them. They both did a great job. I just felt bad. Me too. Me too. Me too. I know I already said it, but like the amount that what your what your show has done. Yes. I'll speak like for me as both entertainment as it and as distraction and as like when sad and to see, you know, I remember I learned years ago, right? When I first started going to therapy that like when you get out of relationship or when you're your heart broken or grieving something, one of the the very important tools is to focus on other people and like their problems or whenever it might be in one way, a selfless way of being empathetic and connective people. And then arguably a selfish way finding an excuse to not think about yourself and sit in something. Yeah. And like, I agree with that. Watching that has offered that for me like when I'm sad, putting that show on and like getting a cry out for something. And I just think that like I was really, really sad that when I heard that it was the last season. When it comes out, it's one of those ones that I don't watch episode two right away because then it's done. But I'll still watch it that day. Like I do this when I get donuts. I love donuts. But I'll eat so many. Sam. So I'll keep the donuts over there. Yeah. And then I'll just I'll take three different kind of notes and take little pieces. Yeah. And I can get up and get more. But then I have to get up. It slows me down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's all I am with queer eye. Yeah. And I love hearing that you take your time with it because the way streamers have, this is no shade, but the bastardized the way we view TV or the way we view anything. And you can be done with the show that took months of love and dedication. And we done it in a day. I don't get wrong. We always encourage people watch it because you watch it. The better the viewing figures are. And the more likely you are to get another season. But with that last season, even I encourage people take your time with the last season. I was like, take your time. It's our last season. I'm not trying to get a new season. None of us are trying to get a new season. I'm done with the show. Please take your time with this one because this is the last one. Enjoy it. Athletes talk about when they're know that they're done. Yeah. Like there's no like I'm not sure. There is that transition period. But then they like I did it. Yeah. That makes sense because their bodies are telling them that. Yeah. Maybe they're done with it too. Yeah. But it might be different if they were younger. Right. Yeah. That's not the case for you. This is different. Could you explain the why of because you did it? So many reasons. Um, I was probably done in my mind after season six. Really? I was probably done at season six, but not because I hated the show. I loved doing the show. Oh my god. It was such a luxury to have that as my first ever show on television. And it was a weirdly an easy show to film. You got to hang out with people that you had so much fun with. My schedule wasn't bad. I was working four days a week. Like it was a lot for what three months. It depends. So, um, the first gosh, the first four seasons, we did two seasons back to back. So two seasons at once. We didn't know which episodes were going to be which season. And then we started doing single seasons. Then we did another, another double. So it really depended on the season, whether we were in a city for two months or five months. If you were in five months, then you weren't there the next year. Exactly. And we would just say, Oh, we've got a new season coming and we're back in. We were already shut. Yeah. And so, um, I would, I would do that show. I love it so much. Thinking, my gosh, I know what my schedule is for the, let's say it was a Foremanston. A Foremanston, I know what my schedule is. I know that I'm done by, let's say seven o'clock. I'm our fun. A Wednesday. I've always got a Sunday off. It was a really great game. And it was fucking fun. It was such an easy job. I just got to turn up and be myself. I don't know how to do all the, my biggest issue when I first started with Quiright on Quiright. And I truly thought I was going to get fired. And I said, I'm happy to quit the show. You can replace me. This was on week three. I was like, replace me. I want to quit. You want me to quit. I'm positive because I'm shit at the show because I don't know how to do the American jazz hands. All I know to do is just beat myself and that can't be entertaining for anybody. And then I realized, I don't know. That was just the job. I just got to be, you just seeing how your mindset has changed to like, you're like, watch me judge people. You know, the confidence you've developed, like, you're not comfortable real quick, especially when people are probably applauded. Yeah, it was so easy. And so that was the job. I just got to be myself. So what was not to love? However, I didn't know. I had, I thought, God, people have got to be bored. Six seasons that I want to end on a high like our six season was arguably our most successful at that time. Where were you? What's your name? Austin. Austin. It was Austin. And it was right after COVID, we had started shooting before COVID or the month of COVID when that whole season was a, that was a banger. It was a really good season. I know it was a really good season. And so then we came back from COVID and we were all just energized. We hadn't worked for you. We couldn't be more excited to be there. But once that ended, I just thought, we should have done this high. Like it's been a great season. Let's just be done. Also, what else can I tease the audience? Because the main job is what are your takeaways for the audience who cares if you're fun, interesting, nice, whatever. Can you explain that differently? What is a lesson you are teaching in this episode? To me, the watcher or to the hero? The hero is the vehicle to get to you. So what is the audience learning through this hero? Yes, I know everyone makes one of the French talk, but let's say the French talk or this is how you get this tailored or this is how you, this is how long your sleep should be. This is what layering looks like. So you feel like you had to have a different one every time. You have to try to reinforcing something that you already talked about. That's what I had to do. The last few seasons are like, I've got nothing new. Like there's only so much I can say that's going to educate the audience. It's funny that you bring up the French talk because that's that's that's obviously you know. Yeah. So what the funny thing is is if you don't know my name, when people are on the street and they don't know my name, the French talk guy. The French talk guy. They're like, yeah. And although it became such a thing that people made fun of. It made me so happy thinking. I did something that for the rest of my life, people will know I might not know his name, but I know for something that is literally money. That is money to me. And so I never really shied away from like the people. I don't know what the French talk is. It's just talking on the front and it's ice ice. I don't do. I've tried it. Yeah. I've tried it before you've been said it when you said I'm like, we go again, I don't know if it's not for me. I don't know how to do it. It's a certain outfit, but what I do know is, and maybe it's still a French talk. Or maybe it's like, I guess I was going to say it would be a different place in France. It's a whole country, not in the front. The back, the reverse. So sometimes it happens by accident after I go to the bathroom. I'll give you an example. The reverse French talk. Not in the back. Oh, not the back. It'll be it'll be something like this like if this is tucked in a little, which then forces, but accidentally, that's not good. I can never do it. But like, oh, now I'm showing a little extra of this. Yeah, yeah. It looks like, you know, like people, like, some people know how to do their hair where it looks like they just woke up, but they let me tell you something that took a while. Yeah, I always does. Yeah. I want that with a tuck. And a French talk looks like, no, that was that was curated. Yeah. Of course. I mean, it's meant to. It was meant to look like you [BLANK_AUDIO] style. Yeah, so maybe I'm judging it, but I love it when it's a little bit under the side. And if someone would be like, dude, what's up with your shirt? As an adult, I realize it. Yeah, as an adult, I'll be like, yeah, I like it. But there would have been a time where I probably would have been like, oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I had them like, fuck, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I tried to hop in it. But I honestly think it makes a difference. I think those tiny little starting tricks make it clear that, oh, I didn't just put my clothes on. Yeah. Also, you got layers, flown them. Yeah. Show off that extra, like even that kiss of a pink. I'm like, yeah, show that off. You're out of your mind if you don't think when I put on a sweater, I hold the back of my shirt first to make shirts there, put it on. And then you adjust. Now, sometimes there's a little crinkle whatever. But that's a bit, and I don't know how it looks now. I haven't been looking at me since I started. But yeah, it looks effortless. Show it off. Yeah. Show it off. I want to learn more. And I know that's not yours. That's not all you are, hopefully, hopefully talk as much as you want about clothes. Well, just like I'm just now like telling you about an excitement of something in my life that, that started when I started getting styled for stuff for, for, for press or whatever. Do you love a stylist? Shout out to Luca. I guess if I were to be styled, I would talk with, with Luca again. Yeah. But I'm open to talking to others. I talk to stylist something like I, it doesn't feel like an exclusive. Yeah. But like if I'm working with something, I get a budget. I want to continue giving Luca the work. But like that open it up because I hate trying on clothes. Yeah. Because I hate putting on contacts over and over again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. But would bring the clothes here. And I would know, no, no, yes. Yes. And got good at like, when I first started, I said my, my reference points are Russell Westbrook and Woody Harrelson in the 90s. Russell Westbrook. But who else in the 90s? Woody Harrelson. Oh my god. No, no, I know him and weirdly enough Robin Williams. Those two, I can't picture Robin Williams stuff in, in the 90s fucking stellar. Okay. I referenced his looks. So he was so stylish. Do you have certain pictures in an album that you reference that I could put up here? I'll text you. Will you send me some? I'll remind you. I will happily send you some baggy, cool, comfortable, all-or-full. Also don't sleep on Denzel Washington. Denzel Washington's down in the 90s also. Denzel Washington's down was incredible. I don't, that's not something that I feel like I could. I thought it was so simple, beautifully done, but so simple. A nice pair of nice shit, nice pair of jeans you can even do. And like loafers. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like, I feel like I'm lying when I wear a loafer. I feel like I'm lying because I'm only doing this because, because it is on trend. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm only doing this because I'm going to this thing. What's the problem with that though? I wouldn't wear it if I wasn't going to the thing. And that's, I feel like I'm lying. Emma Stone wouldn't wear a ball gown unless she was going to the Oscars. There's, a ball gown is meant for a ball. For example, I wouldn't wear a suit if I was going to the gym. But a loafer, it's just a shoe. Yeah. But it's, you don't need to wear a loafer. I think our ideas on this are so different. I know they are. And I want to adopt more ones. But until I don't feel like a liar. Yeah. This happened with my stand up. Who's gonna accuse you of being a liar? I'm not worried about, it's not about you. I don't even see your face when I walk in the room as you would say. Just your head. Yeah. You got a head. It's just floating fucking hair. Give me that hat. So when I'm wearing, like, when I'm wearing a, sometimes you wear a suit. So I'm wearing a suit. There's never to me a time that you wear loafers unless you're a guy that likes loafers. I want to be a guy that likes loafers. But I'm not yet. I don't have the outfits for it. I don't, you know, I don't wear short, shorts because I don't love my legs. I love, I think short shorts are cool. I don't have the legs for it. And I'm pale and hairy. If I had short shorts, loafers would probably be easy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And no one else is thinking it, but you can't control how you feel about it. I get it. I get, I will say though, that every time there's a new trend, let's say, for example, we all moved away from maybe we weren't embracing this, but the skinny pan or gene trend going over to wide. Like there's always a weird transition period where you're like, I don't know if my body responds well to this, but after wearing it a couple of times, you're like, actually, no, maybe this is my new five. And so I think, can I move or am I going to wake him up? I'm going to do it. No, no, I don't need to move him. Can I move? I just want to, I don't, I feel bad about waking him, but I just want to see. Excuse me. Oh, my sweet heart. I'm sorry. I just needed to move my leg. I was in one position. But now I have you. Come here. You didn't eat to move. I just need to move by. I believe that I'm taking advantage of a situation here. Can I put my body in more accessible? Do you want to coast? No, not on that. Thank you for asking, but that doesn't get rings. Okay. So yeah, so I think it is just, I think that it's just, just take some getting used to every time you introduce something new to your closet. That's my journey. And I'm sure that's how you felt when you first put on these new pants. Like, unless, maybe this, these are the magical pants that you didn't know. With these, it opened the door to, oh, there are pants out there. It's almost like, it's almost like I was married to shorts and not that we're divorced, but in this analogy, it's an open relationship at least. And like, I don't know. I don't, I don't, even if there is something great out there, I already, I've already set my ways. And this was like, whoa, maybe I don't need to marry a Jewish girl. I would like to. It's just not a requirement. Gosh, you're so young to be setting your ways. Again, when you hit your mid 30s, I think he'll be a little more comfortable. That's why I'm trying to, you know, teach him, maybe you could teach him dog, an old dog, new tricks. If you continually teach them tricks as they get older. Yeah, yeah. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair. But like those pants, for example, yeah, those aren't elastic, but great. I don't need elastic. It's because they draw things so you can control the waist. Yes. And there are some pants that are buttons that I wear. And once they're on, it's easier. But I, I'd be hyperbolic if I said I have panic attacks before putting them on, but there are sometimes where I'm, I need to get in bed and like, okay. And then tell myself, then I put them on because it's good for me. Yeah. It's always exposure type of thing. That's how I feel with shorts. There are clothes I would wear if my body and and I'm not, yeah. I'm, I don't feel bad about myself. Yeah. I'm confident. I feel the same ways. I feel exactly the same way. I see Anthony and things. I'm like, that's amazing for you. I don't feel wanting to cure, but I can't wear nothing because I don't feel confident enough to wear that. That kind of stuff is what I would, like the way you dress. Yeah. And sometimes you make really strong choices that I love. Sometimes you make strong choices that I love for you. They're not for me. More often than not, you're, you're default, which I call what you're wearing now. And then you're strong choices. I'm like, I can't, I don't have the body for it. And I would love to. That you have a style that I would adopt. Thank you. I will say my style has changed so much last couple of years. So I turned 42 years ago. And I don't, this is not me encouraging people to do this, but I really, I also became a parent when I was 38. And I just thought, I, as much as I've enjoyed playing with style, actually, I put this gosh, there's so much I want to say in this place. Well, apparently I do like talking about clothes. I want to hear it. So when I first started entertainment because of the job that I did, if it wasn't because of my category on the show, do me a favor because I'm not checking in, bring it down better. Okay. Bring it on a little more so we're not covering the goods. Thank you. Okay. So when I first started entertainment, there was some, I felt not that I was feeling it from anybody else, but I felt so much pressure to not dress my regular way, which I know sounds so counterintuitive. But because I was meant to be the style guy, I thought, I've got to be somewhat untrend and got to wear loafers as a metaphor. Wear a loafar, take bigger swings than I would in my regular life. My regular life, I was an all black guy. Like I'd wear a pair of black pants, a black tea, a black sweater. And that's it. That was my uniform. And then I got the show. And if I turned up on a red carpet in just a black suit or a tuxedo, people would be like, that guy. And I saw, they'd be that way. I saw a lot of comments. I, thankfully, I don't really use social media anymore. Sorry if you ever think that I'm messaging you. I'm not that's my team. I consumed too much of people's opinions of me that first year. And it really fucked with me. Really, really fucked with my head. Because up until that point, I was perfectly secure person, not confident. No, I should confident enough, but not like, look at me. But I wasn't wildly insecure and I wasn't riddled with insecurity. And then I started the show. And when you're on a show, it's kind of like being in a boy band or a girl band where you're against each other. That's just the nature of our industry. And so do you mean you get other shows? No, against each other, like the cast members. Like this one's the hot one. This one's this one. This one's this one. And this one's the one. No one wants to fuck. And so, and that always felt great. And so I was like, Oh, shit. And they've all got opinions on what I'm wearing. And I'm like, okay, wonderful. You hate what I'm wearing here. You hate what I'm wearing there. Wonderful. And so, and there were a lot of people that worked in the fashion industry, would be like, how's this a star guy? He's in something plane. And he turned up to a red carpet in a tuxedo. I'm like, yeah, like a tuxedo. And I just want to feel classic and comfortable, but I can't. And so I started playing a lot more. And then as I got older, I just thought, I want to just fuck what everyone thinks. And I'd been in the industry at that point for six years. And finally, I just thought, I'm a mom. I've exhausted. And I want to feel like I know myself when I see a picture of myself. And so I just started. we're including all the time and it makes me feel like myself. And so when I hit my forties, I think my style has changed a lot. And so if you like what I wear now, I appreciate that so much more than what you would have liked three years ago, 'cause that was a version of me that was fine, but it wasn't the honest version of me. - Is your partner a dad and your mom? - Nice. - We're both moms. And by that, I mean, this is not necessarily a dig on straight men, dad. But whenever I say I'm a mom, it's because I feel like I'm a mom. Like when I'm home, I try and work no more than three to four days outside of the city. I work every day. I own a production company's home and zooms every day, but I will work from home. Ever since I had my second child, I said to everybody involved, I don't want to be away from home for longer than three days a week. And even that, let's try our best to do one day a week. And so when I'm at home, I'm there at night. If they wake up, I do the bottle. I change every diaper I make. - And that's you feels that to you. 'Cause that, when I think of the difference between mom and dad, I think of like maternal vibes or paternal vibes, not as much as like deliverables. 'Cause I think it's deliverables also. - Yeah, so maybe that's your idea. And maybe a lot of people's idea of what a dad is then. - Yeah, I mean, look, I'm not saying that every dad, there is some amazing dad's out there who will share the burden. Work like it is, it's hard. Work, share that work. - So this is a classical mom's at home, dad's at work type of thing. - Yeah, or even if both of you are off, the assumption is the mom's going to be the primary caregiver. If something goes, if dinner needs to be made for those kids, or the kids need consoling. Mom's going to take care of that kid. And the kid knows no matter what's going on, mom's got my back. And that is how I want my kids to feel with me and my husband. Because we don't, obviously we're a gay couple, we don't have the gender role, I know it's not crazy. Because we don't have the gender roles of a man and a woman, I think we both then get to decide how do we want to be the parent? And both of us want to be the accessible parent that the child, our children, both of them know. We are both their full-time parent. It's not just a, he's getting me the gifts he's playing football outside with me. And if I need an outing, he's there. No, I want them to know. When I'm awake at night with a nightmare, my dads are there. - Their moms are there, their moms are there. - Their moms are there. - That's interesting, you identify as a man, right? - 100%. - Yeah, it's interesting because also, I want to acknowledge for me, not necessarily for you, and because people who are maybe doesn't matter. For me is, I am not necessarily like, people only talk to you about clothes or something. There are people I know when somebody has somebody on who is, who is big in black culture, or big in gay culture, whatever it is. They talk about that, that's fine, that's not all it is, that's fine. But I'm not wanting to hype, like, zoom in too much on something that I was ever curious about with you. But now I am, and the idea of being a mom, but that's not a female is interesting because that is based on not definition of femininity, but definition on motherhood. And that's gotta be so subjective to what your experiences were with a mother and a father. - Yeah. - And when your kids are, how old are your kids? - Two and a two and a full. - You're four year old, does he call, he? - Yeah, he. - Does he call you mom or dad? - So when I say mom, I only say this in a silly way. They don't, he doesn't call me mom or dad. He calls me an Urdu word, which is language, which is my first language, which is the Pakistani language. And we call our dad's Abu. So my boy's called me Abu. - Abu? - Abu, yeah. - Spell it. - ABPU, Abu. - And what was the first thing, the first word you said was that a language? - Urdu is a language. - Urdu? - Urdu is the Pakistani language. It's like that national language. Urdu is Pakistani. So in some sense, you speak Pakistani, they're not saying you, the proper is do you speak Urdu? - Yeah, 'cause Pakistan has a few languages that are just like, with India people assume, are they speaking India? Actually, there's no such language. Sure, you know there's no such language. - Like speaking Mandarin. - Yeah. - Do you think Urdu is the closest language that inspired the avatar dialect? Because when you said that, it's, it sounded like-- - Did it? - Yeah. - I don't know if that's racist, but I think I feel like Pakistanis are kind of like the avatars as far as their language. It's what I'm accidentally saying, Urdu. - I don't know. I've never seen Avatar. - Did your partner-- - He's a white man. He's from Wyoming. He's a former moment. But he was born in Utah, but then his family moved to Wyoming, and so they're ranches. - What's the closed situation with him? - I don't think he's style. He's style is wicked. When I first met him, he had wicked style, but he had a very quirky style. Everything he owned was vintage, which I loved. And then when him and I started dating, his style changed a little bit. It became more European. And now I think his style is exceptional. - I have, as for someone who is only relatively new to clothing, still I have very strong opinions and points of view on clothes. Not that I'm right, you're wrong. Just, I like, I don't like, very much so. And women clothing, I could be so attractive. When you get to know somebody, they become more or less attractive. That's personality. But then it's also seeing their talents, seeing how they handle high pressure situations, how they dress, dress is a big one. And I used to not, this isn't me saying it's wrong. This is just my take. I used to really be unattracted to women and dresses, usually, most dresses. Not dresses in general. It's not that, I don't like dresses. I don't, that, that, frill and like, you know, like, that stuff. No. And years ago. - Is it hyper femininity, you, what, you know? - Ask me that after I tell you this, 'cause I don't think that's the case, but maybe I don't know. Maybe. There's definitely some judgments. And I don't know if it's femininity. I don't know if it's, if it's about me, what I'm attracted to in a woman. I don't know. - Yeah. - Are you okay on time? 'Cause I can actually talk, are you? - Wow, that's not right. - No, it's, it's one-thirteen. - Yeah, I need to leave it to. - Okay, great. Set timer for 40 minutes. - Okay. I'm gonna talk a lot. - That's okay. - Okay. - So I have, I grew up where, the posters on my wall at first were almost exclusively Arnold Schwarzenegger with a little Van Dam and a little Stallone. - Okay. - They were mine. Mentally, we were at a lot of posters, but they were also mine. - Very different pieces, I imagine. - Sexually maybe, but attraction no. - Okay. - I was so attracted to those muscles. I wasn't turned on by them, and I know this. - Yeah. - I wanted to look at them. - Yeah. - I rewind Anthony. And I'm sure that, you know, that's fluid. I'm sure there's something going on where I maybe I'm a little, - No, but it's also fascinating. - It's so cool, I'm attracted to the same way like you're attracted to athletes dunking. - Can I give you a comparison also? I'm not attracted to women's boobs in the slightest, but I'm fascinated by that. I think they're absolutely beautiful to look at, but I'm not at all turned on. - So there's a definition issue to it. When I say attracted to it, I'm also thinking like the way a magnet is attracted to another magnet, like I'm drawn to it. I'm not sexually stimulated by it, at least not consciously. But like I am like, when I see muscles, when I see guys running down the street with their shirts off, which happened more than girls with their shirts off. - Yeah, I know. - I'll sometimes be like, dude, you look fucking awesome. Like your body is crazy. I think it's so cool. So I say this as a kid, I've always been attracted to muscles. I wanted them. I would go for them. I had them kind of for a little bit. So not that there are, I'm very attracted to feminine soft features on a woman. And when I see strong girls, - Do you mean muscular girls? - Yes. - Well, I could be athletic just in shape. It's still, this is a very broad term, but there's women who are in shape that are still very feminine. Like a runner's body for example. - Yeah. - Hey Tisso fans, I have a new special. Oh, this is Nikki Glazer, by the way. Rick Glassman is the coolest guy ever. This how cool he is. Like usually people like me have to ask him, like, could you make a video for me or could you post this video on your thing? And he actually asked me, he was like, do you want to promote your special on my podcast and make a video? And that is just how sweet he is. Don't we all love him so much? I'm a fan of the show. So I feel like if you like Rick and the kind of conversations he has and the way he can both be funny and also talk about like serious issues going on in his life and getting to his psyche, I think you're really gonna enjoy my special. It's called Good Girl, it's on Hulu. I honestly don't want you to watch it because it's, I reveal so much that I like and kind of regretting putting a lot of that out there. So go read my diary, which is in the form of a really well-produced stand-obsessed little special called Good Girl, streaming on Hulu now. >> And then there's bodybuilders. No shade to anything anywhere. I'm not necessarily very attracted to like, like where like they look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. >> Yeah. >> But I'm still like, I want to look at it. I think it's, it's so cool. cool, they're super heroes. But because of how much I like muscles, my delta is leading heavier on the, if you're jacked, I'm into it. I'm into it. So I dated somebody a while ago that was in just really great shape. And I saw her in a dress and her legs looked strong. And I'm just being honest. I don't know if there's sways of, of softening up when I'm standing in my, whatever, my legs look stronger. Arms, it wasn't that she was jacked, but like there were some tone in it. And I was like, you look fucking great in that dress. I feel this way when I see, uh, uh, you know, um, Harry Styles, when he's in, sometimes he's in better shape than others, we all are. But sometimes we're like, you look fucking awesome. Because it's revealing parts of your body that look awesome. It opened the door to then seeing women in dresses. Even if they weren't that type of body type, I know, I'm like, Oh, I, I get, I get it now. I get what addresses. I mean that literally, but also as a metaphor, like it unlocked. I now think a dress is pretty. Okay. Um, but if you were to get married, would it be odd or, uh, not your preference for your bride to error wedding dress? No, I, I, I, I, I'm being sincere when I say this, my preference is I think that you should be wearing whatever you feel good in and want to wear. And that's where I connect with you, making people feel good and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I have so much my own things I want you to accept me. And I appreciate yours. I had an X where we, I talked about where, for our wedding, I would want her to wear whatever she wants. I would want to wear, perhaps a touch or whatever it is, but I want shorts. And I want all the groomsmen to be wearing shorts too. It fits like the Tom Brown moment. Who's that? Oh, uh, Tom Brown. Tom Brown is a designer that a lot of his suits are shorts. I know what you're talking about. No, I'm talking about the shorts I was wearing when you walked in. Oh, basketball shorts, sweatshirts. Yeah. Um, because just as a, I don't know, I wouldn't need to do that. But I like, there's just the idea of like, this, this marriage is us showing up as we are feeling safe while we're spending the other person. Yeah. Somebody went on, but it's not necessary. Yeah. Um, but, uh, I, when I was, the reason I brought this up originally was when I see women wearing things that are athletic, um, a backwards cap with a ponytail, uh, sunglasses, sweats, baggy sweats. Yeah. Even if they're not the most athletic, I'm a, I'm very much attracted to, to, to lots of different body types. I really am. Um, athleticism is just attractive to me. I think it symbolizes health. Yeah. So when they dress, so when, when women dress and suit, when women wear makeup, it's great. Do whatever you want. But when a woman is not wearing makeup and she's wearing sweats and a lot of things like really, you think I look good in this? Like, you know, of course, you know, you look good in that. Yeah. But like, I'm attracted to that. I think more than anything else. Um, funnily enough when my husband is at the first thing, uh, the first thing I do when we get out of bed and we are getting ready in the bathroom, I will look at him and I, it's the, it's the time in the day I find him his most attractive. And he's in sweats, like, right around the house clothes and his hair. What is it about that? And he's not done himself up. But I think he's his most handsome and the most beautiful to me when he's not sure his job. I think he looks very handsome when he's old and up. But I'm like, that's not the version I need. Right. I never need that version. It's nice that you do that. But I find it the most beautiful person in the morning. Do you, do you think it's a dragatory for me to say that when I see guys or girls, but like, when they're dressed up certain ways when you wear makeup, which there's a place for, and it's, it's great. It's still a costume. Yeah. You see it as a costume. Yeah. I think a suit is a costume. Yeah. And that's not a bad thing. No, it's a costume. Yeah. But sometimes I do like loafers. Yeah. And that's just a perspective of loafers. It's like, you wear it a costume. Yeah. And I see that. I'm attracted to when I see somebody and whatever they're wearing, I believe that even if it's a costume, yeah, that's their characters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. And I don't know how to explain it other than I believe you. That's fair. Just that I've been just when you're on camera. Do you or on stage? Do you wear makeup? No, you don't, you never wear makeup. Okay. No. I've worn makeup on TV. I asked for it not to, but I know they have a job and it's represented. And if they want a little bit, and it's no judgment for makeup as much as it is that's contacts. I hate makeup. Yeah. I don't know. It's on me. Yeah. Sunblock. I wear it because I'm you're supposed to. I hate. I hate it. I think you don't need to as much as I do. No. I mean, I meant to, but I don't, I've never known a Pakistani to get skin cancer ever. And I can be out for hours and not burn. So I just think, well, why bother? Yeah, your skin's not stood. Thanks so much. I'm conscious of mine. And I have my routine. Wow. And I put on sunblock, but same with makeup for the whole day, I feel it. I feel, you know, how you think about a certain clothes that make you feel claustrophobic. That's exactly how I feel about anything on my face. I will have, I've got a really particular skin care regimen. I stick with that. I don't want to wear makeup. I fill in my brow and that is a filter now. Yeah. It's filled in right now because I've got one, one key brow. I fill in my brow. But other than that, I don't want a concealer. I don't want nothing. You might, do you think you feel different if you didn't have skin, the skin you have? Maybe that this is going to sound like such fucking bullshit because probably, who knows, how my skin would be if I weren't so particular about my skin? Because of how I eat, how I drink the care I take of it. I'm like, no, I've done so much so that I don't have to wear makeup. I am about to, this episode will probably be out by then, but I am about to do, do you know Morpheus eight laser face laser? No, face laser where it's, it's like combination, micro-needling and something else. Oh my god, I hate you. This is going to make me sound like a crazy stalker. I hate you talking about something similar with Samara, something, something, the beautiful. Yeah, Samara weaving. Thank you. Don't notice respect by not knowing your name. She's unbelievable. She's incredible. That radio not movie was fantastic. I haven't seen it yet. It's not really. I think it just came out or it's about to come out of it, isn't it? Yeah. It's a fantastic actress. She's incredible work. And she's so funny. She's so funny. We see people that are that pretty and funny. She's gorgeous. You have to assume they were ugly as a kid, but I don't believe she was. No, I can't imagine she was. Yeah, why? Yeah. And her personality on your podcast. I'd never heard her speak outside of a movie or whatever. So wildly entertaining. Well, she had, yeah, we talked about that. That's when I booked it soon thereafter. I was already thinking about it. I'm doing it a couple days or not. Yeah, doing it next week. Is it one that requires downtime afterwards? It requires you to be out of the sun, I think, for a couple of days. And I think your face is like, does it look good? I mean, I'm fine. I'm like, I'm talking about it is what it is. I don't know what it's going to do, but I'm like this idea of makeup and it's not coming from not caring or not being conscious of. It's just what's comfortable and what looks, but, you know, I'm almost 30. I'm considering trying stuff. Yeah. Here's my rebuttal on the however it feels however it looks. Mine isn't that I don't like the way makeup looks. Every now and then, when I'll do a scripted project, they'll pop makeup on me. I hate it, but and they'll ask me for, do you mind if I put makeup on and I don't want to be a complete dick and say, you've been hired for the whole day to sort out my face. Don't touch it. Well, they're not hired specifically for you. Are they? No, but I'm like, it's your job. I don't want to take your job away. Like, yeah, for sure, put whatever shit you need to put on my face. Fine. However, the reason why I always, I made it really clear when I first started an entertainment and they wanted to do this and they wanted to do that. I'm like, I don't want that. I want, if this is an unscripted show, I want people to see me in real life and think, we look exactly as I've known him to look. He doesn't look any different. I don't want them to see me on camera and think, God, his skin looks amazing. They see me in real life thinking, what the fuck happened to that, dude? I'm distracted when I see scenes and it's more with women than men where after a lot of action just happened, their hair looks like that. I know. It's distracting. I know. I know. Or they've been through, I don't know, a bum scene and then there's debris everywhere and then a few seconds later, it's all gone. I'm like, why does she look perfect or he? It really takes me out of it and so I made a decision when I first took the job. If they're going to see me, let them see me. I don't look perfect. It's fine. I never pretended I was perfect. Your skill set of convincing people that they look good in something, not because they're wrong for what they see, but because there's more to that. But it opens the door, the way that I now appreciate a dress because something happened years ago and now I see things differently. We're showcasing your positive traits. Well, and we're not hiding, but we're mitigating your, you do that well. What's the eye for that? Tell me something, give me information. I want that for me. It's not, I don't think it's necessarily the eye. It's just the acceptance that I think unless you are the likes of a muscle gay or somebody who has the our idea of what the perfect body is, the perfect influencer body that we see all over Instagram. Most people don't look like that. And so I think most people just a good meal and I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry by the way. Wow. Did you just say that was Mike for years. Whenever I said you have a celebrity crush and every now and then you get somebody Kate back and sailed during the underworld days, I was really young. But Jessica Beale and I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry. I remember I was just I was like, she was that's possible. Well, she's a knockout. Still knockout. But unless you out that person, which is so rare, there are so few of those people. Every one of us has that part of our body though, we're just not very comfortable with. And so I just think why pretend and how do you know when to how do you know when to hide it and how How to hide it versus it's fine, that's who you are. This might be absolutely the wrong take, and I'm so sorry if this offense anyone. I'm never thinking hide it, I'm thinking, let's make the clothes a star, not your body. Yeah, but like, you know, stripes a certain way some people don't do. And, you know, like there are efforts that I want to tuck in that based on where I am that day. It's fine if I do. But like, this isn't a tuck-in body. You might say, tuck it in, tuck it in. But when I, if I don't tuck it in, I feel I look better. But if I tuck it in, I feel the outfit looks better. And it's knowing the difference. It's not the difference. But also, I will always say, almost always say, unless we're, I mean, most of the time we shoot the show in the summer where this isn't possible, but I say, thrown a layer, you won't notice the thing that you're so concerned about. But when you tuck it in, it doesn't matter. When you tuck it in, but then you throw on a layer, it helps massively. Got you. So I will usually say, as long as you're not in Louisiana in the summer, if you are self-conscious about your belly, which is the main area that most people seem to be concerned about, almost everyone I've ever worked with on Quiright, it's the belly, it's always the belly. Like, okay, we'll tuck in the thing or we'll throw on a layer or both. I don't even need to ask you, even if you are in perfect shape, let's throw on a layer, let's tuck it in. Again, I'm not really focused that much on the body, I'm focused on the outfit. That's the difference. That's a big one. That's like I was saying, don't be focused on how you look in the picture, be focused of the memory of the picture, like what you're doing, what you're capturing. Yeah. Because even if, whether you're a size 20 or you're a size 4, I still want you to wear the outfit that is the best outfit that I think is cool, interesting, look, chic. So if it's go, whatever you want to feel, and then we'll make that outfit work for your body. My takeaway from that is, is focus on the outfit, not the, because that's what people, that's what you do. Yeah. And this is going to sound like absolute bullshit, but I swear this is true. Most people aren't looking at the thing that you're looking at. I swear to God, the funny thing is I've heard you this last hour and a half, I keep doing it, I keep looking at that clock, the last hour and a half, here you talk about your body thinking, I would never know what's going on under those clothes. I'm feeling a little defensive, but I want to say, this, I truly, I'm accepting of what this is. I've gotten that way less with vanity and more so with injury and like, this is what it is and I'm trying and I'm very, I'm so grateful for my body and for the things that I'm able to do and we're so lucky. But I'd be lying if I didn't say, but you know, when you're looking at that, now, now with all of that aside, and you can look at the, how do I look and it's like, I still want to feel and look a certain way, but this fits me well because it's not hugging me. I love a hug look. I love us, I love, I love that shirt, I love, it's not a hug look. It would be for me, it would be for me, but if it was in your size, we'd get you a box, this is a boxy fit, like the sleeves fitted, what the body, I'm self conscious of my belly also always happy and always will be to get that shirt to fit me lengthwise. My arms are very long. I would need to go so big for that. Yeah, I know. And then I have to get a tailored and they would have to be tailored perfectly and sometimes things are tailored well, usually the tailored just fine. So I don't, I don't, I don't buy stuff because there's so many things. Yeah, but I know, but my point is I'm not going for a fitted look, I'm seldom going for a fitted look. Then we have a different definition. That's fitted to me. I mean, it's not oversized, but it's not like a, it's not a figure hugging look. I just need to sound for a second, I'm so sorry, Alvin. That is baggy, that is, I've got so much room, so much room. Yeah, it's also, it's also, it's great, you have it shorter because so, are your legs longer than your torso to scale? Do you know? Yeah, because that shirt, the way it looks, was that, did that come that size? Yeah, because that's the way it fits your arms. I would think if you bought that off the rack, that shirt is longer. It would be so much longer. That's another thing that I like, I forget sometimes. Yeah. There's so much about the late, like that we're longer wouldn't look good. I do think this, look as good, at least. I do think that my main skill is that I understand proportion better than most. I'm realizing I was talking to you that I don't, that's not in tune for me, and I got to learn that. Proportion is so important to me. Teach me something. How do I learn it or teach me how to learn it or give me some tricks? Here's my trick, it's not necessarily a trick. I always make sure that my sleeves are at the right point, they never, ever hit my hand, ever. I always do this even if it fits because I have so many things that don't fit. I always roll up, is this feels, is this right? That's right. Perfectly right. And if you go like this, it's a poster go up. Yeah. Okay. So I never have anything that hits past my hand because it always looks like you're wearing your dad's clothes when you're a kid and you play dress up, you probably didn't do that. So I did put your dad's stuff on it just when it hits your hand, it just looks like you put on your dad's stuff as dress up, it was it to feel like an adult, feel like an adult, yeah. Thank you. And then always, for me, I always want to make sure that it doesn't pass. My hand would have something to stand again. Yep. If it passes this point, this point being where your sleeve is or your wrist, my, so my, the length of my shirt, even my suits, my, my blazers, they always come to maximum. My hand. Got it. Which is, which is slightly above your wrist for audio people, which is then going to give me the illusion of or you, the illusion of a, a taller person, I'm very insecure about my height. And so if I balance my proportions right, my, the length of my jacket's right, your legs look longer if, if the shortest yeah, and I, and that is the case with everyone across the board, even tall people, even tall people. If your proportions are right on your top, your shirt, your jacket, whatever, it will then make everything else look, look balanced and well proportions. Now you can't go for an oversized butt look, but that is a conscious styling choice. You're choosing to look out of what proportion wise, but if I want to look classic and feel sophisticated and refined, I will always go for a perfectly proportioned look. So I have, uh, I, I love jumpers and, and, and sometimes I'll tuck in the undershirt because I want the, I want the jumper to end here. I don't want it longer and sometimes like this, I like having, it feels athletic to me. I like having the undershirt showing a little bit, um, is there a, when I say rule or trick, I understand it's not 100% of the time, but when to do that and when not to or why, like an intention versus just, huh, uh, honestly, that, for me, there's no hard and fast rule. It's whatever makes you feel good, but if you are going to a more formal event or an evening event, I would say try not to have that show, you know, or don't have it too long. Have a shorter sweater where it doesn't feel like you're wearing a night dress. Because sometimes when people want to show that little bit of something that's sacrificing their proportion to show that little bit of something, and by proportion, you're saying making their legs look not as long. They look tiny and dinky. Is there something about a shorter shirt makes your legs look longer? Yeah, but does a longer short shirt make your torso look longer? Okay, here's my opinion on this that I know so many will disagree with, come from me in the comments. All you want? I don't look at comments. Um, I don't think there's such a thing as a long torso. I'm six three. I, um, uh, I dated a girl who was, uh, five 11, our hips matched up in the same place. She has long legs. I have a long torso. Of course, such a thing is a long torso. You don't think that or you're saying that's not something that's worth highlighting. I don't see it. I don't think it matters. I think as long as you understand how to dress your portion, it does not matter if you believe you got a long torso. So you're saying legs are what you need to focus on. For me, it's always why wouldn't you want long legs? Yeah, I don't know. I don't think about that. That's not a question for you to answer. I think when people have a big torso, a long torso, it's like, they have a, if they're strong, they're, they're back has more space to go into like a triangle, it's right or shoulders. I've heard people, women in particular tell me about their long torso's for about 20 years. I think I, I know, I noticed when a woman has a long torso, and I'm attracted to it. Wow. Is that not just a taller person? Not necessarily. Like I'm, like I said, there are, I could be the same height as somebody and their, their, their waist is higher than mine or lower than mine. And it's not better or worse. I mean, it's just, I just don't, I don't see it. There's a, have you seen on Insta or wherever else? The fucking colla theory shit that people do. The what theory? The colla theory. Yes. They'll put the, I don't get it either. I look at it and I'm like, no. But you do agree that some colors look better on people because absolutely, I look, I, I don't look great in, in, in blue or green. And I've, I've tried many, many times. I like the way I look in, in, in, in yellows and oranges and, and sometimes, and I don't know when, but sometimes pinks. You, you say I have to agree that, that some colors look better on people. I don't. Yeah. I don't agree. I think that there's probably wonderful versions of blue that would look gorgeous on you, but you just don't like that color. You know how I noticed this was when there are certain times I like, I like a picture of me or I like something. Yeah. And then I wasn't conscious of it. Because I look in, all of these pictures, a lot of these pictures, I'm in orange. But isn't it just because you like, you gravitate towards, all right? No. I used to not, I used, I, oh. I have a sweatshirt that I just think is so fun and it's like, it's oversized, it's this orange sweatshirt, it's like, I like it. This isn't, it's just fun. Yeah. I'm shocked. I thought it looked awesome in this picture. And then there was something else that was orange. And I only recently, I have this Alaska shirt and I've been wearing it for years. I got it in 2016. Okay. Couple of weeks ago, I saw a picture and I'm like, not that I thought I looked great as much as like, that shirt looks good on me. Yeah. Just a Alaska red t-shirt. Red. I'm sorry, this is the the time I'm going to have to see. I think it's because you like that color. Okay. I used to have a lot of blue stuff and I like blue stuff and I'll still wear blue stuff. I don't think I look bad in blue stuff. I don't think I pop in blue stuff. Because you also said green. Green for me is such a neutral. How could anyone not look nice in a green? If you've got the right shade, it worked. So whenever somebody's like, I can't do this raw. I think there's just certain things I don't see. I don't think my brain can process a long torso. I don't think my brain can process. You looking better in one color as opposed to another color. I'm like, no, if you like that color, you like that color. Color doesn't supersede fit and it doesn't supersede vibes. That all else equal. It's relevant. And you don't see it. And that's five. I'm mentally cannot see it. I don't know if it's a disability. Not the worst. You're not even color blind, but just a lot of people. Yeah. I don't think I see it. I mean, I'm looking at you and I think I bet red looks great on you, but I'm sure you hate wearing red. No, I'm saying red. I used to I used to not like wearing red because I didn't like the color. Yeah. I this Alaska shirt is now opening the door. I'm like, maybe I would start looking good in red. Yeah. Yeah. And I think red orange and pink. They're in a similar hue on the Roy G. Viscale kind of. I mean, they do say that by they, I mean, my own people say that we lock our best people, south Asian people. And that's why we in red. And that's why brides wear red because it's the most beautiful color on our skin. And that is it. On a time like, yeah, I do see that. Have you what about women, blonde women with red lipstick gorgeous. Yeah. Now brunettes could wear red lipstick. Yeah. But red lipstick on a blonde, it does something different. Yeah. Red lipstick on a very fair skin tone. Yeah. It's different. This stuff, it's different. Now that's not to say that they look brunettes or tan people look bad in red lipstick. Pun not intended. But like, that's just the idea of like where maybe we could connect. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is a thing. And I don't know if it's truly skin tone or just skin tone or if it's aesthetic of facial features or I don't know what it is. But there's stuff that I like and I want and I try on. And I wasn't always conscious of this. So it's not like, oh, I know, I don't look good in green. Yeah. Yeah. Looking back at it. Green just doesn't for some reason. Wow. Wow. I some point in the future, I'm sure we will come to a point where I'm going to put you in something and it will be green and you will appreciate it. And based on your schedule, anytime you want to do something. Also, I love making content now. I love putting this stuff out there. So if you wanted to do a fun thing where I would produce this and film it great. Or if you're just, hey, I'm in town at the store. If you want to come in there, I want to take you up. So I had a series called dressing funny. Where was this? This was, it was, do you want me to move him? No, no, no. It was Netflix's first digital series that they did. It was I think eight years ago, maybe seven. So it was during queer. I yeah, the very start of queer. I and they asked if I would host this their first digital series. I was like, yeah, absolutely. It was because I had done a thing with Pete Davidson on SNL where I took him shopping and it was their first digital show also. And so I did that and Netflix was like, if you want to do that, why don't you do it with us instead of NBC? I was like, okay, great. So I did that. Let's make out later. And so I, come on. I know gorgeous. You're telling me the truth. I won't ask again. I swear to God, I swear to God. Okay, great. So I, I started this series called dressing funny where I took like Tina Faye and Rachel Dratch and John Malini. Also, dressing funny meaning you're basically your comedians and cars. Yeah, and I would take them, I would take them to like Fred Siegel, we went there multiple times. Fred Siegel and put them in things that they typically wouldn't wear. And not we would have a gag where we'd dress them up in something silly, but then also let me just give you my vision of what I think would work for you. Anyway, I'm going to bring that back in the next year or so. You should do that. I'll watch absolutely. You should do that. The ones that are on YouTube, I think YouTube or Netflix, I thought it's Netflix's first YouTube show. They use YouTube shows. Yeah. So it was only available on YouTube, but it's through Netflix was, it's called Netflix is a joke or something. Great guests. I have really good guests. Oh my God, I had really good guests. Every one of them was massive, Joe Koi. I see you with the sun, who's a friend of mine. Oh, yeah. I also did. He started saying, Hassan, I do apologize, but I don't want to get into this. Yeah, it's Hassan. Would you dress him? Because he is cool style. He did one of the episodes also. Did he? Yeah, yeah, he did. And he was great. He's got great style. We definitely deserve great hair. He's got really good hair. We definitely disagreed on what we thought was cool, but that was back in the day. This was like eight years ago. The style was very, very different, but I love doing that show. Of course, no obligations, but I'm going to follow up with you on this. I'll do it. This is like this. That's very exciting. I'll do it. You will be very uncomfortable. In those situations, what's so great about it is the intention is different than just getting dressed. I'm here to have an experience, have a good time, to learn something. And like, in TV shows, they take photos and you want to, it's for the poster, whatever it might be. The difference between when I first started and as I got a little bit used to it is, you only need one. If I find one piece of clothing or one perspective, that's tough to get. And like, that's a, you're a well. So like, it won't be on, I mean, I guess I get it. We'll get what you're saying, but like, it's worth it. I would like to believe it worked with everyone. And I've seen every one of these people since. And they're like, I've really fought it, but that's what I want. I want that. I want that. I want that in my life. So one of the episodes is Gabrielle Eglaceus. And he, he fought other things I wanted to put him in, like really fought it. But then I saw him at an excellent Netflix event. He was the topest one because he really didn't want to try a different aesthetic. And almost every one of them was like, I don't want to try that. That's not really my settlement. Just give it a go. And I think that's the issue we're going to have we do is I don't usually wear that. I would never wear that. But just put it on. And then I swear to God, every one of them, I've seen since. And I said, yeah, that is kind of what you do with people. I watch you do it. The dude, it's so fun. Happy would have people on my podcast that like I've watched so much. And then we talk. And then I remember, oh my gosh. Yeah. Um, they're, it's so great watching people just be down for whatever. Yeah. It's also great to have that bit of resistance and see it turn. It's just, it's rewarding when they don't for what is worth as a viewer. I'm sure you, if you agree, disagree. It's so hot. So, but you're good at it though. That's so nice. For dressing funny, it was fine. If somebody didn't want to try and deal with people who are used to being in front of a camera. Yeah. And we were just down to clown. And we can fuck about. And I could call them a con. And like, go on, you can't just put it on. Like, it's totally fine. No issue. When it's a real person. And obviously the community is really helpful when they're not an entertainer. Yeah. And they're just a person on, let's say a queer eye. Trying to get them introverted probably. Yeah. And somebody that's not comfortable on camera. And to say, hey, I know that this is also terrifying for you. And now I'm going to put you in something that you've never considered wearing before. That is sometimes so difficult. And they will sometimes really factor. I've had people crying, the dressing room saying, please don't let me, let me put this on. I'm like, you don't have to, of course, you don't have to. But will you just try it? And if you hate it, we'll, we'll try something else on. We don't even need to keep that on the show. If you hated that much, I swear, I'll tell them we can't keep that on the show. We just put it on. And that is the greatest reward where they're like, I don't want to try it. They want to try it. Then they put it on the like, oh, fuck that. Just I still think it's a win. There are times that people do it and come out and they say they don't like it. And you go, great, take it off. Yeah. And the stakes are gone. Yeah. Same. There'd be a couple of them. I'm feeling so emotional with a few things. I really think that you're so talented in what you do with with with the clothes and everything. But just like to get people to feel a certain way about themself that isn't, you want to make them feel good. But it's not even about good is that it's like that's been a conscious, I guess obstacle. I'm doing it. Like a conscious thing in my life of like, I don't want to do it. I'm not going to feel good and to do it anyway. And to what's made it easier and I have to remind myself is to learn that even if you don't want to do this thing. And you find out after the fact that you don't want to do it. I'm glad I did it because it's still information. Yeah. Sometimes my OCD is very bad. It's got a lot better. One of the one of the main reasons is a few of the main reasons I got Alvin a dog was I would go four or five days often without leaving my house. I had the luxury of having food being delivered to me. And I work from here or if I didn't have shows four or five days. This was sometimes many, many times I don't leave the house. I don't get sunlight. I don't remember what the thing is, but there's a term for that people who can't leave the home. I don't go. Or go for it because afraid of people. Oh, it wasn't that. It was more so when I close is a big thing for a lot of things. And one of them was when I would go outside, you're on a blanket because I don't want indoor clothes on the couch. - I get that. - It used to be, once I would go outside, I now have to wash my clothes. - Yeah. - So it was just exhausting. - My brother has the same thing. - Is it still? - Exactly, he's at it, it's the whole life, yeah. - I'm sorry, that's difficult. There's therapies for it. The thing that worked for me was having a reason to get out of the house. I have to walk him. And then I would come in and I had to. And I would clean my clothes up. Then there were sometimes where I was just too exhausted to deal with it. And I sat on the couch. - Yeah. - And I'm okay, still don't love it. But you start to become okay. And the only way you do that, it's exposure therapy. That's what you're doing with people. And maybe it's insecurity about the way they look, the way they look on camera, the way they feel and close, whatever it is. But it's not that big of a deal. And to have somebody that you trust, and the goal is to you to be that voice for yourself. But to have somebody that you trust, that they know what they're talking about, I'm talking so much, I know. - No, no, no, no, no. - I've got, can I add to that though, that my thought process, when I'm doing that on the show. And it's something that I felt from the very, very start. I will say this about the production company that made, where I they were wonderful at letting me decide how I wanted to film my scenes. I would make it really clear very early on in the scene. We never obviously included this in the show, but I'd say, it's just you and me. I've already told the cameras where I want them to be. For the next three hours, you won't notice them. It's just you and me, and I will never do a gotcha to you. I will, it was very different from dressing funny wear. They know we're gonna do a gag outfit at some point. But with Quirer, I'm never gonna put you in something, just to put you in something. I'm never gonna put you in something for TV. When you make a TV show, I'm sure you know this. There's usually a couple of production companies. It's seldom one. And so one of the production companies was like, the first couple of weeks, put them in a bright pink suit. I'm like, I'm never gonna do that. I'm so sorry if you want that. You've hired the wrong person. Fire me, that's okay. I'm not going to do something just for TV. And so I know you want something really poppy and really shocking at the end of this episode. That was the original Quirer, that's not me. And so I would like to believe I built up a trust with every hero and hope for the audience where even if they didn't like a look, the audience didn't like something that I put one of my heroes in. I hope that they knew this was never a gag. It was never to make that person feel silly or whatever or judged. I always went into it thinking, no matter what happens, this is real for me and it's real for you. - Yeah. Yeah, I'm just becoming either a memory or a conscious of how, like my new relationship with clothes, it isn't just about style. It's safety. - Yeah. - And like, what clothes could I wear that I'm able to wash a lot? 'Cause I need to wash a lot. And yeah, I sometimes have moments on podcasts where I go, remember that, remember what made you feel a certain way. And to do what I want to say and out loud. I want to remind myself and anybody who connects to do thing, of course go outside of your comfort zone, but still there are some avenues where you're comfortable going outside your comfort zone relatively speaking. I want to do this with clothes more. I really do. I am very limited. Like, there are times I'm wearing what I'm wearing and because I'm wearing what I'm wearing and I'm wearing what I'm at, it's like, I don't know, I don't want to go to this place. - Yeah. - You know, there's like, I don't want to, just because, and then there's sometimes I'm wearing something that I like and I'm like, I don't want to go home. - Yeah. - I should be seen in this, yeah. - Yeah. - I feel the same way. - And it's all made up. - Yeah. - It's just a feeling, but like, you say sometimes when somebody's wearing something and they say, I don't care. Like, it's fine, I don't care. And you say, I don't remember if you said it's a defense, but that's what I took from it. You go, but I'm taking from, I don't know what you say. What I'm taking from it is, you don't care because you've allowed yourself to put that in the back of your mind. It's not, it's not necessarily conscious, but you care. - Everyone cares. Everyone tells me they don't care. And I've always done something. - I always think someone says, I don't care. It's either they're either fully accepted something or it's defensive. And depending on how they say they don't care. I don't care. When people say, I don't care how people feel about me, that's, you might not need to prioritize how they feel about you. And you don't have to take on that identity. But if you don't care, that's fucking nuts. - Yeah. - This is very different, I know, but in my mind, I've got an odd mind and I feel this is the same way about this. When a gay person tells me who's closeted, that somebody who's been to this, I don't tell anybody, I'm perfectly comfortable the way I am, I don't need to come out. No one needs to know. I'm like, no, that's absolutely not it. I know for a fact that's not the reason why you're not coming out. It's because you may feel shame or fear or whatever you want. Whatever those feelings, I can repeat that. - You have seven minutes. - We'll wrap it up. Whenever somebody tells me that they don't care, I know it's fear, I know it's shame, I know it's anything but I don't care. Actually, I think it's the complete opposite of I don't care. And that's how I feel when somebody says, "Well, I don't care how I look." Who gives a shit? Like, I know you care. - It's just right now you care more about your comfort or whatever you've subscribed to. - Yeah. - Yeah, I think it's so much bigger than I just don't give a shit about clothes. Because we all know what it feels like to be in something that makes us feel a certain kind of way. And somebody, it doesn't matter if they don't say it. But if somebody sees you and say something, that feeling does something to you, I know it does. It does to everybody. When somebody's like, "Oh, you look really good, thanks." - And for people that say they don't care or they don't prioritize it as somebody who has a hard time with clothes, why this door open for me is, there are really cool clothes out there that still feel like you're not, you don't have to sacrifice your comfort. And that's new to me. - Also, it's okay to feel, wanna feel good. I, you know, there are so many things that I've changed my opinion on the last 15, 20 years. And one of them is, I wanna feel hope even if, even if things are hopeless, why do I want to accept that it's hopeless? I wanna still live with hope. And one of those other things is it's okay for me to wanna feel fucking good. There's no shame in thinking, I wanna be the best version of myself. I want people to. - Easier for people who, you have your insecurities, but your body fits close. It's easier for people who, and that entry point, I'm just, I'm interrupting and reinforcing, but that entry point is, it's okay to feel good, but then what is that cannibalized? What's the cost of it? Like, there are ways of feeling good without cannibalizing anything. - I agree with that. - And that's where you have intuition and experience that not everybody has. - Yeah. - And I start keeping like, when I see clothes that I like, I say the thing, I have never even looked at it, but just even doing that, I'll be the conscious of it. And like, we need to curate our style, not necessarily for our identity, but to feel good. And that's new, or you could feel good in this. - Yeah. - I don't have to have a, like, a tax-the-rich sweater. - Yeah. - It's just like, I don't have a message. - Yeah. - Yeah. - All right. - Is that your major gripe? You wanna tax the rich? - Oh, just thinking of what's clothing it's a message. I know some people that have like, there's something, and I have no point of you on that, to be honest with you. But, like, people are selling something. And that's not, well, you said you felt you needed to do that the first few seasons. I mean, it makes sense. But, like, even without selling something, I wanna sell that I'm rich, or that I'm taller, or that I'm skinny, or whatever it might be, eliminating those things. And just like, finding stuff that fits you, that you think is cool, and it doesn't have to be uncomfortable, is like, very, it's only a couple of years now. It's very new to me. - Yeah. - I'm, good. - I just wanna mention, you've said the word cool. This isn't me being combative. The cool thing is a really hard thing for me, and always has been, I don't care about someone being cool. I just think, if you're not a con, and if you're fun to be around, that's all that matters. For the amount of time that people are like, oh, I wanna wear this thing, because it's cool. I'm like, who gives a shit if it's cool? Nothing I do is cool, and I don't care about that. - I'll let you go. I wanna challenge you on that for a second. And maybe it's a definition difference. Cool, is it necessarily sunglasses in a pop leather? - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? Like cool is, whatever your cool is. And cool also is, I think Adam Sandler, I also coincidentally dress like him, but like, I think he's cool, because he wants to do that. So it's not that basketball shorts are cool. It's wanting to wear basketball shorts, and that's why you wear them is cool. So if somebody thinks something's cool, it's not necessarily because it has cool graffiti prints. - Yeah, it's because they're the hottest brand, or it's the hottest style. Yeah, I don't need that version of cool. I don't need to, I don't need to be the person who's extremely out of the box, or really in the box of feel like I'm cool. I think, no, my version of cool is, I wanna watch the golden girls get high and eat too much cake at night, that's my version of cool. - Is there an episode of the golden girls where they get high and eat cake? - No, but that's what I do. - I made you a joke. - You do get high. - Actually, they did try weed once, yes. Only at night. 'Cause I was, and then I didn't ask you 'cause you said you don't even wanna try a magic mind, which is not that. But if you come back on, would you ever, I get high on this podcast all the time? - I never get high on the daytime, 'cause let me tell you this, I am terrible stoned. - Got it. - I can't function. - You were somebody who I wanna get high with. - Oh, okay, if we were just hanging out, there's nobody else here, wonderful. - You don't wanna get high on camera? - Five percent. - I've only gotten high once in front of other people, and I will never do it again. because it's not like I don't tweak out anything. I just can't function. I can't follow a story. You could tell me a story, but in only 20 seconds, I don't remember how you started that and I have no idea how we got here. Understood. All I want to do is sit and watch 30 record golden girls. Great shows. Sometimes family guy, but it's been a minute. Oh my God, there is something that I've been watching. I don't know why I'm plucking this show. Do you watch last one laughing? Do you know what that is? I don't know what that is. Okay, so it's a Japanese format that has taken over the world. They don't have an American format and I don't know why or an American version and I don't know why. For every other country, it seems has a version of last one laughing. The British version, in my opinion, is the best one and not just because I'm British. Yeah, I just think they're great at panel stuff. It's a panel show. No, it's not a panel show, but it's people who you know from panel shows in England, Jimmy Carwhose set, Alan Car, Catherine Tate, Oh my God, Diane Morgan, like, if you know all these breads, you were an angle of file, it seems. So all of our big comics, comics are on season one. I don't know what angle of file means. You really like UK, like you resonate with the breads. You dated a bread the way I'll be there. I believe in August. I'm at Scotland, I think in August and London in August, so we'll get some tickets. Are you doing a show there? Yeah. Okay, wait, do you know where you're doing the London show? I've been there's a theater that I don't remember the name of it. Or I think I want to do the Soho theater and seg as it's smaller, so I could do a lot more shows. Okay, okay, okay. So I think I'm going to do seven shows there. Wow, wow, that's impressive. It's hard to sell in England. Good for you. I think people in England, I have a pretty good, I think I don't know. I've never done, I've performed there many times, but not as my own show. Okay, I want to see the tickets. Oh, you're headlining. Yeah, I'm doing my, I'm working my hour there. Wow, you're workshopping in London. Yeah, I want to film my special, I'm getting really close. And I thought it'd be fun. I might do the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. And then right away go to England and just do like, you know, like 20 shows and 20 days type of thing. No, that I completely understand wanting to workshop in England, but workshopping in London is a very confident way. I could confidently say and I haven't been saying this for very long. Yeah, I love my act now. Okay, I love this and it's workshopping because I'm getting it tighter for the special. Okay, but I'm ready to showcase it. Do you have your special location set, like what network? You don't have yet. I know there are people that are going to come watch it. The way it works is you do it and people watch it and you try to sell it. And if not, then you put it yourself on YouTube. Okay, I have not, I want to wait until maybe the end of this year. Okay, I'm very excited about it though. And I'm very excited to go there because I love going to England. You have to go in a second. I'll finish this, but you know, Ashling Bay, she's Irish, but she's big in the UK. She's a comedian. She's so funny. Okay, she has a bit, I don't know if she still does it, but she talks about how men don't like women with, that are funny. They just want them to have a sense of humor. She's very funny. Wait, is she dark brown hair? Yeah, oh my gosh, I do know she's wonderful. Yeah, she's on the Irish last one laughing. There's an Irish version of that. I have to watch the show. But start with the Brits. Please, it's so much better. But start with season two. It is stellar. Okay, the last two episodes. Where do I watch it? Prime. Last two episodes. It's two or one. Okay, I'll leave in two minutes. Um, the last two episodes are a little bit one. Keep what before you get to the last two episodes. Is it slower? I think it came out like a month ago. See the two of them. Oh, okay. She's doing about a month ago, but the show has been on for like a year. She's great. He's good, but it's not, it's not, it's his show. He's the host, but he's not the one. Interesting. He's not the one playing the game. So let me set it up for you really quickly. Not that this is important or what I'm here for, but I need to talk to you about what I'm watching when I'm high. So I smoke around about H-Pop. My kids go down at seven. And I'll have one puff. That's all I need. And then that gives you the munchies like a crazy bitch. And I'm a very keen baker. I don't eat much throughout the day. It's not because I don't want it at five o'clock and I don't stop until I go to sleep. Yeah, no, I start about seven. So I'll have my dinner and then put the kids down. Have a puff. And then I will eat about two, my two thousand calories between eight and nine. I usually am in bed by nine thirty. So between eight and nine thirty, I'm exclusively eating and watching some kind of comedy show. And I love comedy in general. Most of my friends, a lot of my friends are stand-up comics or comics in general. But there's something about watching golden girls or virtually rock on this other show that has me literally on the floor. I can barely breathe. And I have to have my husband change the channel because I'm laughing so hard. That's the kind of high I like. I don't want to convert. I don't want to talk to him. I just want to put something stupid on and just have a laugh. And if you don't watch the golden girls, you're missing out. Yeah, everyone knows that. I think everyone knows. I think golden girls has had a resurgence in the past few years. I think that's great. Really? Because I think that most straights like I was a Nana show. I'm like, no, that's what that's what straights I either used to or think of sex in the city. Yeah, because it's because it's a woman cast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'll tell you something. And I don't want to speak for all black people. But I do think people of color growing up, watching shows where it's mostly white people. They got used to being able to see shows that wasn't just them. 100%. I think people that are used to seeing themselves on screen have more of a difficult time recognizing. And I think that's changing because there's so many great shows out now. I disagree. Sorry, I told you I'm going to leave it through minutes. God, I wish we had done this an hour ago. My biggest fucking driver was talking about this with a friend. Poorna Jaganathan because of very successful actress. What did you say to the camera? Poorna Jaganathan. She is on a show called Never Have Ever. She did a movie for Apple with Brad Pitt and George Cooney. She's a formidable actress. Anyway, so we were talking about it last night. There's a new show that came out maybe two weeks ago. Maybe not even two weeks ago. By Riz Ahmed. It was created by Riz Ahmed, written by Riz Ahmed and stars. Riz Ahmed. Do you know who Riz Ahmed is? Yes. Very hard, right? It's called Bate. Yes, it's called Bate. And B-A-I-T. Yeah. And I know. Oh, the fishing show. It's got nothing to do with that. Well, I know. Obviously, you don't need to say I'm joking. I know, I'm not-- Relax, man. I was kidding. I should fuck off this. So I'll let it that out. Thank you. And so it's a show about him trying to be James Bond. And I know that the-- You're saying it's about him, like it's a parody, or it's a show? Yes, it's a show. It's made up a show. But him pretending that he's auditioning to be the next James Bond, which is so ludicrous because nobody would ever consider this British Pakistani man as James Bond. Even though he's wildly successful, an Oscar winner, but he has never been in the conversation to play Bond. Even though why wouldn't he? Anyway, the show, I know, isn't forming as well as it should or could because it is not a white man at the center of it. So we believe that things are changing and it's getting better and we're a lot more open-minded when it comes to programming. We're not-- I was on a show called "Delhi Boys" last year. Yeah. "Delhi Boys" I think is fantastic. I think it's such a well-adjusted-- I think Asavali is one of the funniest stand-up comics I've ever seen. He is so good at-- And his energy is fucking crazy. "Delhi" on the show, watching him work was-- You weren't in the first season, right? I was in season one, only episode five. I've got four or six, I don't know. But if I only just started it and I really like it, I haven't even seen. Fantastic. I want to have Asavani Subsoon. You should, he's wonderful. And porn has the female lead on that show. And the ratings weren't anywhere near what they should have been because I had to go on my Instagram multiple times. The ratings or like the critics-- There's going to be bigger. Critics were amazing. They loved the show. My biggest gripe is that we have to-- I'm constantly having to say, watch it. It doesn't matter that they don't look like you. Just give it a chance. It's actually a great show. Should I watch that or should I watch last one or laugh? I mean, look, I only watch TV when I'm high. And I can't watch a serious show. I watch-- Okay, that's a lie. When I'm traveling, when I'm on a flight regularly. So when I'm on a plane, I watch drama and-- It's funny. It's funny, same. Really? Okay. I like drama at home too, but a plane, I almost need drama. Yeah, I really want to focus on something. And so bait is great for that. Even though it's a dark comedy, it is funny, but it feels more of a drama. Whereas at night, I don't want to be serious. I don't want to focus too much. And I don't want to have to follow a storyline. So that's why I need a-- Like a 30-rock. All right, I'm going to let you go because we're going time. I'm so sorry to be talking. I said this, I think three times, I'm going to say it again. When you're in a-- You're on in New York? No, I live in Salt Lake City, Utah. Oh, you live in Utah. I was just there. It's cool. But if you're ever here again, and I'm sure you're here, you're going to be busy. But if you're like, hey, I want to promote something or whatever, please. We can do another off the top. I'm so happy. I was talking way too much. It is what it is. People get it by now. No, it's okay. I will say this. This is a very different interview to every interview I've ever heard of yours. I think this podcast, and I love my podcast. I think that my ceiling is not as high as a lot of other comedians podcasts for a couple of reasons. And it could continue to go up. But the reason why I think it's-- I think you need a lot of points of entry for this. If you see a pot, they're all so different. And people like getting the same. It's why we like 30 rock. You know what you're going into. Yeah. You could see a podcast and love it. And then see another one and absolutely hate it. You could also see a podcast that you hate and not give it another chance. And like, no, you would actually love a lot of these. I want this podcast to be me being able to show up in the mood that I'm in, hopefully offering a safe space for the other person to do and see what happens with that. And I couldn't, especially the first time, not be so excited and talk to you the way I am. I'm such a fan of what you've done. It's nice. So if you did come back again, it might be very different for better or worse. But all I know is I love this. If I do look this out, I'm so happy you came here. Thank you so much, everybody. Also honorable gaze. April 20th, which I think will be out now it's already out now on YouTube. I'll put the link in the description. Check out episode three. How many are you doing? Is it a seasonal thing or something? So we've done a full season. It's out every two weeks for launching an episode. I know one of the guys who I've been following for years. I'm forgetting his name, the one that does the movie. Rob Anderson. Oh my gosh, he's so funny. And he's incredible on honorable gaze. So is Erick Sedanio, that Stella, that I think the chemistry between us is perfect. Great. I'm so happy. He's very funny. We'll put up his Instagram too. What's his name again? Erick Sedanio. He's so good. But I'm saying that we'll put that up too, but what's the name of the movie guy? I've got Rob Anderson. I send those to my cousin so much. He's so good. Usually, I'm sure you know this, but usually your publicist and your team say, okay, want you to this podcast, going to do this podcast. I need you to know. I requested this. Oh shit. Really? Yeah. Dude, when they reached out, I think I even said, I think I've messaged you a couple of times. I don't remember. Sorry. I don't look at DMs. That's the game baby. Yeah. I'm not. My point wasn't finally. My point was like, of course I want to have a mind. I want to have a mind before you message me. I want to brag. This was my essentially one request in all of press was to come on this podcast. Really? Yeah. It was. Wow. That's so awesome. For God's sake, I don't know why, but like this was the one where I was like, yeah, we could have a real conversation. I mean, it'll hopefully it'll be funny or whatever if you're into that. But do you know him? No, but he's my fancy boyfriend. It was one of the, it was one of the, this happens sometimes, I guess, but it was one of the episodes where like when I'm talking to somebody, maybe the only episode of the guy I could be wrong, at least I'm conscious of where there's a couple times where I would get distracted. It's just like, dude, you're fucking. He's so handsome. It's pretty crazy. I know that his body got ridiculous. I'm like, get out of it. You don't need some comments where sometimes I just comment they don't know who they're talking about because they go, he is so funny. He is so annoying. I'm both. I don't know what you're talking to. There were so many comments and I know this is obvious, but I'm just telling you something. He is so, he didn't say David. He said he is so good looking. And there wasn't even a who they're talking about. If he's in the room, you just know he wasn't. I wasn't having a hard day. I don't know if I could have, but I've had some episodes where I look back and I'm like, oh, picking a thumbnail will be easy on this episode and picking a thumbnail. It was, you know, oh, yeah, we all have those days. Oh, man. Thank you so much for having me. I've really enjoyed this. Thanks. Thank you very much. I got to get a pull rate and then I'll let you go show theme music. Also, we'll keep this under the theme music. He's not just like, very funny, very talented. No, I know. Like, very funny, but I just want to justify him, but yes, I know. But I think he was an ugly kid. That was the point I was making here. He was, this is horrible, say, but he was a, do we be looking guy? He wasn't like a theater kid. Yeah. Hey, if you're an ugly fucking loser, even you could be stupid. Oh, yeah.