Kamal Santa Maria's podcast "Rebalance" covers the Israel-Gaza conflict and his departure from TVNZ, emphasizing the need to set the record straight regarding media narratives. He discusses taking legal action against TVNZ, addressing privacy issues related to the Roberts Report and requesting communications about himself. Kamal shares the impact of media scrutiny on his daughter and his mental health struggles. Despite facing challenges and negative attention, he appreciates the growing support from listeners and supporters. Kamal aims to provide transparency and accuracy by presenting facts through legal processes and welcomes public scrutiny to clarify the events of the past 19 months.
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On a cast and wherever you get your podcast, this is Rebalance with Kamal Santa Maria.
Welcome back to Rebalance. I'm Kamal Santa Maria with an end of year podcast for you.
Been very busy these past three months. October was obviously all about Israel and Gaza and
the horrific events unfolding there which continue to unfold there. But I've got to say it is that
kind of story which is what the balance is all about. You know narratives which have become
entrenched and then compounded and which need a real step back so that you can, as they say,
see the wood for the trees. I hope you have had a chance to have a look at the
editorials and the vidcasts which we did on Israel and Gaza, all up on the site and the
YouTube channel. Even now, almost two months on, a lot of those, no they all, they all,
they're still relevant such as the nature of this long-standing, entrenched conflict.
So do have a look at them and let me know what you think.
That was October. November and December have had a completely different focus which is why the
analysis on that conflict and other world events has sort of dried up a little bit on the balance.
The focus has been on me, quite frankly, and the next steps I'm taking in relation to my
departure from TVNZ which was 19 months ago, 19 months, and I think a lot of people thought I
would have simply disappeared and given up on all of that by now and I think some people
probably wanted me to as well, to just go away. But the more time that has passed and the more
that I've learnt and seen definitively just how much that media narrative took hold and has taken
hold ever since, the more I have felt very strongly about how the facts need to come out and the
record needs to be set straight and I know that is a phrase I use a lot but it really does encapsulate
everything for me and for my family. I am not necessarily going to change people's opinions
about me and I'm not necessarily going to clear my name and I'm saying that with air quotes and
inverted commas but what's going to happen regardless of the outcome is that the facts are
going to be out there on the record and people are going to be aware of what they didn't know.
I'm even now aware of things that I didn't know. Some spectacularly inaccurate and baseless allegations
lies which were being thrown around but also facts, actual facts which people had in their
knowledge and possession and which they didn't use because I can only assume it didn't fit the
story they wanted to tell. So let me just recap the developments of the past few months. On November
27th it was, I gave an interview to Duncan Garner on his podcast editor in chief and while there
was still a lot I couldn't talk about, I did announce that I was taking legal action against
TVNZ at the Employment Relations Authority, the ERA. Two, as I keep saying, set the record
straight. I also told him that I was prepared to sell my house so that I could fund this action.
For two reasons. One, lawyers cost a lot and this is just the start of proceedings really
than I'm planning to take against many people involved. But also when your name and reputation
have been destroyed and your prospects for future employment are bleak, if not non-existent,
things get tough financially and making sure that my family is still supported and cared for is the
absolute number one priority alongside setting the record straight. I am going to play you just a
little of that interview with Duncan Garner now. This is a portion which he actually posted as a
bonus podcast a day after the full interview was done and posted. And it's a segment where we dealt
with mental health. I am not playing this for sympathy. I am playing it so people understand
what the other side of a story like this is, how the center of the storm is a lonely old place
and how it affects those close to you as well. Because when your name is continually preceded
by the word disgraced and nearly always followed by scandal or debacle or controversy or saga,
all of that has an effect. Duncan Garner, editor-in-chief. How has your mental health been?
Rotten. Rotten. I went to a very dark place in the initial days after I left EVNZ because the
media attention was so intense. It was being hounded out of my house, having details of where I
lived and my car and color and make of the car and the value of the house and all that published
online by the media. Not doxing as such, but it was plenty of information put out there. Media
coming to the house. They tried to push through the door? Yeah, that was probably about four or
five months later. There were reporters still coming to my house only four or five months ago,
still trying to get the story. There was one reporter who tried to push their way and we
were having renovations done at the house and they were talking to my contractors and saying,
"Oh, is he leaving? Are they leaving the country?" When my wife went to go and talk to the reporter,
the reporter was physically walking through the door and had to be pushed back out effectively.
I mean, that has a huge effect. But yeah, those early days, I mean, I'm literally sitting in
the bathroom reading the ingredients, is that the word, on the back of bottles of toilet cleaner
and things that are in there. You're going to take your own life. And looking at what would be
the most effective, what would actually put, yeah. My family had me on a 24 hour sort of
side watch at one point. And that included my daughter. You know, my daughter was sitting there
reading stories to me to keep me distracted. So you were looking at taking that serious step?
Because it's funny because I always, I'd always looked at people who, you know,
when you see someone's taking their own life and in a controversial circumstance, you would think,
"Oh, well, nothing says guilt like suicide." And it's just not that. It's that not seeing a way out
because it's so intense. And I think it's magnified here because it's a smaller place.
And you just think, "This isn't going to stop." And in many ways it hasn't. But that acute,
that acute period, you feel like it's not going to stop.
So yeah, that was my first interview in 18 months. And as you could probably hear in that
clip, it was not easy. I mentioned my daughter in that clip. And you know, she is a major reason
why I am taking all this action. It's tough enough being a teenager. But she has had
so much to deal with, being followed by reporters, being afraid to go out the front door of our house,
having to change her family name, being afraid to say who her father is, having to read
about what I've supposedly done. But having all of that for the rest of her life, don't forget.
And this is why I'm always going on about setting the record straight because there is
way more at stake here than just my future. Anyway, I'm glad I did that interview. And
I'm glad also that when it was picked up by other media, they started to look at things a little
closer. Yes, I'm still called disgraced in nearly every article. Yes, they still rehashed all the
old anonymous allegations. But there was also, and I saw this in social media reaction to the
articles, there was a bit more questioning, you know, people saying, why is he the one taking
legal action? If he is talking about selling his house to do it, then he must be pretty serious
about it. And I can assure you, I am very serious about this. Rebalance with Kamal Santa Maria.
So that legal action will proceed in the new year. I've made my statement to the ERA. TVNZ
have made their statement in reply. They have also made a counterclaim to which I have replied.
So we've got claims and replies are running both ways. And it'll all get addressed together.
And, you know, we'll just have to see where it all goes. Importantly, though, it will be in the
public domain. TVNZ tried to get interim and permanent non-publication orders, as well as an
order to seal the authorities file. Those orders were not granted. So matters can be reported on
in the usual course because it is there in the public domain, and it is of public interest. And
that is a crucial point because the Chief Ombudsman, Peter Boschia, said back in August, these are
his words, quote, "The public has a legitimate and compelling interest in transparency and
accountability for how TVNZ handled this high-profile incident." And I want you to know that I am
absolutely fine with that. In fact, I welcome it. That is why I'm taking the action so that
there is this transparency and accuracy. Everything in the past 19 months has been played out through
the media through speculation, misreporting, in a lot of cases, agenda-driven journalism.
So what this official legal action in front of an independent third-party authority means
is that the facts can be presented for all to see and without the filters of others.
The Balance, Journalism Without Agenda
I just want to run through the other continuing action which I'm taking because these are all
important threads which will be eventually woven together, I guess. First of all, you might remember
the Roberts Report, which was commissioned by TVNZ while I was still an employee,
aimed at reviewing TVNZ's hiring practices in general and specifically relating to my hiring.
Now, I have never seen the Roberts Report, nor was I ever contacted or questioned or
interviewed as part of it, which is interesting when it's a review looking into your hiring
and my requests to see the report have been repeatedly refused as well. My legal team and I
believe that this is all infringed on my privacy and that's why that case is now before the
Privacy Commissioner. I say now, we are 14 months into that action and so we, again,
just continue to wait for developments there. In addition, and the New Zealand Herald
reported on this start of December, I have got a direct request in with TVNZ for all
communications regarding myself because as a former employee, I am entitled to that.
Now, it has taken 11 weeks, but other than initially receiving some personnel material,
most of which I had anyway, we have finally got the first tranche of those documents,
1,565 of them, to be exact. So that is a bit of Christmas reading for me, but even just from
taking an initial run at those documents, let me tell you, if you have ever wondered what work
colleagues have been saying about you behind your back, even before you started the job,
submit a Privacy Act request. Go on, because it is eye-opening to say the very least.
And I am also making, if we add another layer to this, an Official Information Act request,
an OIA, to the Minister for Media and Communications for all their communications
concerning myself. There have been three different Ministers since I left TVNZ, and they will all
have been kept informed of developments under something called the no surprises principle,
because of course TVNZ is a Crown Entity. And basically, I would like to know what they have
been told about me as well. You should be seeing by now a theme here, getting all the information
regardless of how voluminous it may be, so that the facts can be reviewed and the record, here I
go again, the record can be set straight, because the facts that are out there and have been out
there for so long are not the full facts. You know, this whole setting the record straight thing,
it is a slow, methodical and hugely expensive process. But I heard this phrase recently,
which I'd not heard before, it goes, "A lie can travel halfway around the world
while the truth is still putting its boots on," or something to that effect.
Short story, my boots are well and truly on.
Okay, so that's about it. I do just want to say a quick thank you before I go.
You know, when all of this kicked off, I did receive a few supportive and encouraging messages.
But mainly got abusive and threatening ones against me and my family from people who
knew neither me nor the facts. And on top of that, people I'd called friends and colleagues
for decades said nothing and have still said nothing. I think the most worrying part about
that is that 90% of them were journalists, but were apparently happy to believe everything they read
and not come to the source. What is happening now though, and this is what I want to thank people
for, is more and more supportive messages are coming through, you know, on places like LinkedIn
or through my official website, KamalSantaMaria.com. There are public comments on my blog posts
there as well. I've had some donations on Buy Me a Coffee as well. It has been so heartening
to receive all of those. So to those of you who have sent messages, thank you from me
and from my family because we really, really do appreciate it. For, you know, 19 months,
you have heard a side of the story. And if you stick around, you will hear my side too, because
that, dare I say, is what balance is all about. If you celebrate and eat it, do have a merry Christmas,
enjoy yourselves, be safe, and we'll talk again in the new year. Thanks for listening.
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Kamal Santa Maria discusses the focus of his podcast over the past months, including the Israel-Gaza conflict and his personal challenges.
He highlights his legal action against TVNZ, aiming to set the record straight and address privacy concerns.
Kamal mentions his daughter's struggles due to media attention and expresses gratitude for supportive messages.
Summary:
Kamal Santa Maria's podcast "Rebalance" covers the Israel-Gaza conflict and his departure from TVNZ, emphasizing the need to set the record straight regarding media narratives. He discusses taking legal action against TVNZ, addressing privacy issues related to the Roberts Report and requesting communications about himself. Kamal shares the impact of media scrutiny on his daughter and his mental health struggles.
Despite facing challenges and negative attention, he appreciates the growing support from listeners and supporters. Kamal aims to provide transparency and accuracy by presenting facts through legal processes and welcomes public scrutiny to clarify the events of the past 19 months.
FAQs
The focus has been on Kamal Santa Maria and his next steps after departing from TVNZ.
He is taking legal action to set the record straight and address the impact on his reputation and family.
He has a case before the Privacy Commissioner regarding the refusal to provide the Roberts Report.
He wants to know what the ministers have been told about him under the no surprises principle.
He highlights the importance of reviewing all facts to correct the narrative that has been circulating.
He appreciates the supportive messages he has received and finds them heartening for himself and his family.
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