The transcription delves into the reconciliation of everyday experiences with scientific findings, particularly focusing on whether these worldviews clash. Ryle argues that there is no inherent conflict between the scientific understanding of the world and our everyday perceptions. He uses analogies, such as comparing a football game described in a box score to the actual experience of watching the game, to illustrate his point. Ryle maintains that fundamental physics does not replace our traditional worldview but offers an additional way to describe the same reality. The discussion extends to philosophical problems concerning perception and the relationship between scientific and everyday modes of understanding the world. The complexity lies in determining the exact relationship between these different worldviews. The episode concludes by hinting at upcoming discussions on ethics, particularly regarding race, racism, and solidarity, aiming to unravel the philosophical challenges surrounding these topics.
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There's all the things of the everyday world, colors and sounds and haircuts and pains and
dollars and home runs. Those are all things. Then in the scientific world there's electrons and
quarks and shields and molecules and how do we relate the things of our everyday sort of pre-scientific
world to the things that science has discovered and what 100 years and more have shown is there's
no simple answer. When I say 100 years I mean let's say since Einstein that's when the world
really starts to look weird from the scientific point of view and you have people saying really
it's all just atoms in the void and there's no such thing as solidity and there's no such things as
colors. After all atoms aren't colored and the world's right about us. It's just atoms in empty
space and we can go on from there. So at one extreme you have people who have insisted that the
scientific image that's the gold standard that's what sets what's real. That's reality. That's
reality. Everything else is illusion but as a cartoon I like puts it, the world we live in maybe
an illusion but it's the only place you can get a good cup of coffee.
Hi I'm Dr. Devon Sanchez Curry and you're listening to dialogues,
meditations and analyses. A companion podcast for the problems of philosophy course I teach at West
Virginia University. You just heard the philosopher Daniel Dennett, some of whose work we read last week
talking to the physicist Sean Carroll about the apparent conflict between science and everyday
experience. On today's episode we're going to discuss the work of Dennett's teacher Gilbert Ryle
with a focus on Ryle's attempt to reconcile the many categories that we human beings use in order
to think about our world. In the required chapters of this week's reading Gilbert Ryle is concerned
to refute an argument that was very popular among scientists and some philosophers in the 20th century.
The argument that Ryle wanted to refute was in short that because fundamental physics is after all
fundamental and describes what everything in the universe fundamentally is. Therefore all of our
other ways of talking about the world as containing people and places and touchdowns and justice are
in the final accounting grasping at illusions. In other words as Ryle puts it, modern man is confronted
with two worlds, the world of science and the everyday world. And according to the argument that's
agitated Ryle, the world of science is real and the everyday world is just an illusion. Perhaps
the most famous version of this argument was put forward by the physicist Arthur Eddington in 1928.
It behoves me to mention straight away that Eddington himself was not as philosophically naive as Ryle
suggested. Regardless, he once formulated our argument of interest in a strikingly memorable
if misleadingly philosophically naive manner. So his words are worth quoting at some length.
Here's what he wrote. I have settled down to the task of writing these lectures and have drawn
up my chairs to my two tables. Two tables? Yes, there are duplicates of every object about me.
Two tables? Two chairs? Two pens? This is not a very profound beginning to a course which ought to
read transcendent levels of scientific philosophy. But we cannot touch bedrock immediately. We must
scratch a bit at the surface of things first. And whenever I begin to scratch, the first thing I strike
is my two tables. One of them has been familiar to me from earliest years. It is a commonplace
object of that environment which I call the world. How shall I describe it? It has extension.
It is comparatively permanent. It is colored. Above all, it is substantial. By substantial,
I do not merely mean that it does not collapse when I lean upon it. I mean that it is constituted
of substance. And by that word, I am trying to convey to you some conception of its intrinsic nature.
It is a thing, not like space, which is a mere negation, nor like time, which is "heaven knows what."
But that will not help you to my meaning because it is the distinctive characteristic of a thing
to have this substantiality. And I do not think substantiality can be described better than by saying
that it is an ordinary table. And so we go round in circles. After all, if you are a plain common
sense man, not too much worried with science, you will be confident that you understand the nature
of an ordinary table. Table number two is my scientific table. It is a more recent acquaintance,
and I do not feel so familiar with it. It does not belong to the world previously mentioned
that world which spontaneously appears around me when I open my eyes. It is part of a world which
has forced itself on my attention. My scientific table is mostly emptiness. Sparsely scattered in
that emptiness are numerous electrical charges rushing about with great speed. But their combined
bulk amounts to less than a billionth of the bulk of the table itself.
Notwithstanding its strange construction, it turns out to be an entirely efficient table.
It supports my writing paper as satisfactorily as table number one. For when I lay the paper
on it, the little electrical particles with their headlong speed keep on hitting the underside,
so that the paper is maintained in a ping pong-like fashion at a nearly steady level.
If I lean upon this table, I shall not go through. Or to be strictly accurate, the chance of my
elbow going through my scientific table is so excessively small that it can be neglected.
Reviewing their properties one by one, there seems to be nothing to choose between the two tables
for ordinary purposes. But when abnormal circumstances come about, then my scientific table shows itself
superior. If the house catches fire, my scientific table will dissolve quite naturally into scientific
smoke, whereas my familiar table undergoes a metamorphosis of substance which I can only regard as
miraculous. There is nothing substantial about my second table. It is nearly all empty space,
space pervaded, it is true, by fields of force. But these are assigned to the category of
influences, not of things. Even in the minute part, which is not empty, we must not assume there is
substance. In dissecting matter into electrical charges, we have traveled far from the picture which
first gave rise to the conception of substance. The whole trend of modern scientific views is to
break down the separate categories of things, influences, forms, etc. and to substitute a common
background of all experience. Whether we are studying a material object, a magnetic field,
a geometrical figure or a duration of time, our scientific information is summed up in measures.
Neither the apparatus of measurement, nor the mode of using it, suggest that there is anything
essentially different in these problems. The measures themselves afford no ground for a classification
by categories. We feel it necessary to concede some background to the measures, an external world.
But the attributes of this world, except in so far as they are reflected in the measures,
our outside scientific scrutiny. Science has revolted against attaching the exact knowledge
contained in these measurements, to a traditional picture gallery of conceptions, which convey no
information and uptrude irrelevancies into the scheme of knowledge. I will not hear stress
further the non-substantiality of electrons, since it is scarcely necessary to the present line of
thought. Conceive them as you will. There is a vast difference between my scientific table,
with its substance thinly scattered in specs in a region mostly empty, and the table of everyday
life which we regard as solid reality. It makes all the difference in the world, whether the paper
before me, is poised on a swarm of flies and sustained by a series of tiny blows from the swarm
underneath, or whether it is supported because there is substance below it. All the difference in
conception at least, but no difference to my practical task in the lectures. Modern physics has
by delicate tests and remorseless logic assured me that my second scientific table is the only one
which is really there, wherever there may be. On the other hand, I need not tell you that modern
physics will never succeed in exercising that first table, strange compound of external nature,
mental imagery and inherited prejudice, which lies visible to my eyes and tangible to my grasp.
Eddington went on to complicate this two worlds picture in an interesting manner,
but what we've just heard is what Ryle is concerned to refute. Ryle's argument against physicist's
talk of two tables occupying two distinct worlds is straightforward. Fundamental physics does,
in some sense, describe everything. When speaking in terms of fundamental physics, it is true to say
that the chair I'm about to sit on is not solid, indeed that it's mostly empty space, indeed that
there really is no chair there at all that can be captured by the language of fundamental physics.
But it's simultaneously true to say that the chair I'm about to sit on is there, it's solid oak,
in a different sense, when speaking in terms of whether or not I ought to sit on it, for instance.
The chair with its solidity is not an illusion, it's just a phenomenon that exists relative to one
way of speaking, even though it doesn't exist relative to another way of speaking. And there's
no real conflict, according to Ryle, much less contradiction, between these two ways of speaking.
So there's no conflict between the quote-unquote "world" of science and the quote-unquote "world" of
everyday life. There's just one world, described in certain partially overlapping and partially
distinct respects by the various sciences, and described in certain partially overlapping and
partially distinct respects by people's various ways of talking in everyday life.
Ryle motivates this argument by way of a series of analogies. To put a twist on Ryle's central
analogy, consider the box score for a football game, say a football game in which WVU beat Texas 42
to 41. The box score, in some sense, describes everything that happened in the game. It even describes
it in a rigorous, quantitative manner. In addition to the final score, every discreet tackle, every run,
every pass completion, every time out and every touchdown, is captured in the box score.
Precisely because all of these things, all of the events that make up the game are captured
in the box score in a rigorous, quantitative manner. Some analytics nerds might be inclined to say
that the box score is the most fundamental description of the game. But it would be absurd for
these nerds to infer that the game, as described by the box score, is the only true game,
in that any other descriptions of the game are just grasping at illusions. The spiral on the first pass
of the game, the left tackles low stance, the inspirational halftime speech, the resounding
thud of the biggest tackle, the way that each member of the crowd felt while singing country roads.
Those are elements of the game that are not captured by any box score. But they're no less real for that.
Board of the point, there's nothing in those elements of the game that conflict with,
much less contradict, the game as described by the box score. There's simply two different ways
of talking about the very same thing. So, Ryle says, goes the situation with science in everyday life.
Fundamental physics doesn't give us a new world view to replace our old world view.
It just gives us another way of describing the same old world.
20th century physics new way of describing the world was admittedly more rigorous in certain
respects, just as football analytics allow for a more rigorous way of examining the game of football
in certain respects. But the new way also misses out on some real important aspects of the world
that the old way continues to capture just fine. And that's nothing to worry about since the two
ways are not even in conflict, much less contradictory. Now, if Ryle's arguments are good, then we're
mistaken in assuming that there's any obvious conflict between the world of science and the everyday
world. There's just the one world, with a wide variety of scientific and everyday ways of
describing and otherwise accounting for it. At first, this may seem like quite the relief.
Fundamental physics doesn't call into question the solidity, much less existence of the cherim about
to sit on after all. At least not in any sense that I need care about when deciding whether or not to
sit. However, on reflection, Ryle's dissolution of the apparent conflict between world views
summons more philosophical problems than it results. After all, if there were a true conflict,
then figuring out the truth about the world would just involve figuring out which world
view to hold and which to relinquish. We could be epistemically content to abandon the everyday
world in favor of the world of science, for example. But given that they don't conflict,
a trickier question immediately arises. Well then, what is the relationship between them exactly?
Moreover, given that there's not just one world view presented by the sciences,
nor just one world view presented by everyday life, but rather many distinct scientific
modes of understanding the world, and many other distinct everyday modes of understanding the world.
We're left not just with two, but with a great many world views to sort out the relationships
between. As Danit pointed out at the beginning of this episode, sorting out these relationships
is no simple task. To recognize that the everyday idea that you're sitting on a solid chair made
out of oak does not conflict with the physicist's idea that your chair is fundamentally made up of
atoms and void is not to explain how both things are true at the same time. According to Danit,
Ryle, and Eddington for that matter, it's the philosophers task, as distinct from the physicist's
task, to offer precisely this kind of explanation. Ryle discusses one of the many
thorny philosophical problems of this kind in our optional reading for this week, his lecture on
perception. The science of perception seems to indicate that we don't really see objects in the
external world. Rather, we see our own internal representations. But this seems absurd,
in a front to common sense, according to which I obviously see the microphone I'm currently
speaking into, which is an object out there in the world, not a representation in my head.
Ryle suggests that tackling this trenchant philosophical problem of perception requires getting
clear in the nature of the relationship between our everyday notion that we see things,
on the one hand, and the technical notions of optics, perceptual psychology, and the neurophysiology
of vision, on the other hand. Ryle argues in examining that relationship, not only that seeing,
in the everyday sense of the term, is not a bodily process like sweating, but that it isn't a
psychological process, like associating the word triangle with the number three either. Nor is it
somehow a jointly bodily and non-bodily process, like the one's day cart-posited with his notion of
a mind-body union. Now as Ryle admits, this analysis doesn't tell us what seeing is, exactly,
just tells us some things that seeing isn't. So it doesn't fully resolve the philosophical problem.
But it does help sharpen our thinking about the problem, and sometimes, as Socrates discovered
long ago, that's as much as a philosopher can hope for. Next week's podcast will analyze another,
even more contentious set of philosophical problems, about which both everyday folks and scientists
have plenty to say on Sundays, and about which what they have to say is, quite frankly, not always
edifying. In particular, we'll both close our explicit discussion of the categories that people
used to carve up the world, and open our discussion of ethics, by way of a conversation about race,
racism, and solidarity. The category of race, like the category of perception, has long been a
philosophical model, owing in no small part to confusions promulgated by the loose use of scientific
and pseudo-scientific technical terms. And the category of racism is, if anything, even more of a
model. We'll do our best to unmodel them. Next time on episode 12 of Dialogue's Meditations in
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The discussion revolves around reconciling everyday experiences with scientific discoveries.
The argument focuses on whether the scientific worldview conflicts with the everyday worldview.
Ryle argues that there is no contradiction between the scientific and everyday views of the world.
Summary:
The transcription delves into the reconciliation of everyday experiences with scientific findings, particularly focusing on whether these worldviews clash. Ryle argues that there is no inherent conflict between the scientific understanding of the world and our everyday perceptions. He uses analogies, such as comparing a football game described in a box score to the actual experience of watching the game, to illustrate his point.
Ryle maintains that fundamental physics does not replace our traditional worldview but offers an additional way to describe the same reality. The discussion extends to philosophical problems concerning perception and the relationship between scientific and everyday modes of understanding the world. The complexity lies in determining the exact relationship between these different worldviews.
The episode concludes by hinting at upcoming discussions on ethics, particularly regarding race, racism, and solidarity, aiming to unravel the philosophical challenges surrounding these topics.
FAQs
The apparent conflict lies in how to relate the things of everyday life to the discoveries of science.
Fundamental physics describes everything in a way that may differ from everyday experience but does not make it an illusion.
Ryle argues that there is no conflict or contradiction between the two worlds, as they describe the same reality in different ways.
Ryle uses the analogy of a football game's box score to show that various descriptions can capture different aspects of reality.
Ryle addresses the challenge of understanding how our everyday notion of seeing objects relates to technical notions from fields like optics and neurophysiology.
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