T.I. & Domani: Fame, Pressure & Building a Name Without Your Father

This is Expeditionally, I Am Till T.I.H.A. Uh-huh. Now, the following experience is not a test, the conversations and stories expressed on this podcast and it's been expression of purpose and true. This show, Proponane Fire Expeditionally, is a free exchange of ideas and opinions. No judgment, no preconceived beliefs, no fear. You're encouraged to share your thoughts and ask any question as long as it's done with the spirit. And ask through true love and respect for others that we would change the world to speak truth to power. Want sure at the time. Now without further ado, this is Expeditionally, I'm Till T.I.H.A. Welcome to Expeditionally, I am your host, Till T.I. Harris. Uh, my next guest on Expeditionally is an artist who's consciously carved out his own voice in hip-hop through vulnerability, introspection and emotional honesty. He grew up surrounded by music, fame, and the pressures that come with the well-known last name, no thanks to me. Uh, his style is reflective and deeply personal, his lyrics explore identity, expectation, mental health, spirituality, and the internal conflict of growing up in the spotlight. He is spoken about wanting to separate himself from comparisons and, uh, prove that his artistry stands on his own merit. The desire for authenticity is evident in his calm delivery, thoughtful wordplay, and stripped down production choices. He represents a generation of artists focused less on image and moral substance. Through steady evolution and emotional transparency, he continues to shape or career-defined, not by inheritance, but by intention. I'm excited to welcome the mind of Harris to Expeditionally. What's happening, man? What's up, man? That's how we ain't know each other. What's happening? How you doing, man? Man, I'm good. I was a great introduction. Man, well, you know, well-deserved, man. I mean, you know, I can only write down the shit you did. You wrote that, too. Man, so, man, first of all, congratulations on the new project. Thank you. You just dropped the new project for Everlasting Tape. Now, what made you define it as a tape? I started running out of names, man. EP, album, mixed tape. Just said, man, forever last tape. Okay. And what does this project mean to you? It's an extension of Foreverlasting Directord, the song. You know, I put my phone number on that song, so it went a little crazy. So people can't tell me they wanted the song to be longer, they wanted more people on the song, and then they wanted a whole project with that vibe. And I said, you know what? Let's do it. You know what? They had trap music with boy. Yeah, yeah. That song came out first, and then you. Dope Boys in the trap came out, and you know, that was the most successful record off of my first album, and people said they wanted to hear more songs like that. So I said, I'm gonna make a whole album worth. There it is. And call it trap music. All right. The Foreverlasting Tape. So it's basically, it derives from Foreverlasting the song. Yeah. So does that mean all of them are about experiences, all the songs on these projects about experiences with women? Absolutely. Well, from my perspective, me experiencing women. It's just relationship in general. You experiencing, okay, now, that's another thing. So as a father, I became a fan, and I've grown to enjoy your music, and that's good. For me, it's good for me, and healthy for me to actually have a son that does this, that I can appreciate his skill set. Yeah. So thank you for getting good. Well, you showed me how to do it, I was saying. Thank you. If you didn't put the working in and challenge yourself, you wouldn't have got, especially not as good as you are now. Yeah. Because there's a lot of self-reflection, there's a lot of, you know, self-evaluation. Yeah. Being honest with yourself and being comfortable enough with yourself to be honest about yourself to the world. Right. How did you find a way to do that? That's a great question, man. Really just, I guess, recording so often that it just kind of spilt into the music, like it's like down. What does it talk about? Let me just say exactly how I feel. Maybe that. Like you said, being comfortable enough, having the engineer that I'm comfortable with, my team that I'm comfortable with, I'm not thinking they're going to be thinking X, Y and Z when I say this. So I think is that having a good circle and just staying consistent? What gave you the fearlessness that you have? Because, you know, you have quite a quiet, unspoken fearlessness. And you always fall back on your music. Yeah. Later. Oh, make you think I could get right out of the scene. I'm sure somebody's not smoking. What you got? What you going to file? Oh, these candles right here. Oh, man. I thought you had a joint, man. Now, you know, I got a plan. I'm not going to say that. That's a shout. This is it. This is the exclusive. No. Keep out the smoke. A joint. No, but that was such a great question, man. I felt like I had to really set the fire. Man, I wanted to give that question 100%. You said, yeah, man. You said, what gives me the fearlessness? Yeah. Man, really, I grew up around it, man. You know how family. I grew up around it. And it's like seeing it and being a part of that is just what is it, the big fish theory. Like a fish in a small pond can only get so big. But a fish in like the ocean or bigger body of water, it's destined to be bigger than the fish in the little fish ball. So I think about it like that, man. I really didn't even think about it. I just grew up in that body of water. And when I say fearless, a lot of people don't know this, but they're what I mean by fearlessness. So the mind and move that the house at 18 and had his own ideas of what he wanted to do with himself. You wouldn't got your first spot. And you weren't making no money. And I wasn't giving no money. And we were still doing family hustle. Right. And they really, really wanted you to be a part of that particular season. And you said no. And for a motherfucker who ain't really have rent money lined up for the next few months. And there's a guarantee check sure shot source of income here. And you said no. I'm going to just focus on my music because if they see me on here, they don't think that I'm more of a reality star than I am. Artists. Yeah. Where did that feelings come from? Because that was real money. Like they were about a hundred some thousand dollars. And you said no. And then they made it sweet for you. They said, you know what? You ain't even got to do all the episode. We'll pay you for the whole season. If you just pop in on like the family vacations and all you got to do is just show up. Said nine. Man, what gives you that fearlessness? Loosing. Like every. For real, man. Every song. Like this going to do it. It's good. Every song. Every video. Every project. Like this. Watch this. Just being delusional. But but at the end of the day, like you said, I knew how I would look if I stayed on the show. And it would probably work against me. With me knowing what I'm working towards. Knowing that the long term, the long term goal is for me to be an established artist. For me to be respected in the music industry. How I want to. It kind of wasn't that hard to figure out. Honestly. What I'm. So you get turned down six figure like that. I mean, we're like, you know. I would get the money. I ain't going to lie to your dog. I'ma find a way to do both. I want to do this. Yes. But I'ma find a way to do this without ruining my chances of doing that. That's right. That's me. So yes, I'm fearless in my own way. But I'm still going to find a way to get the bad. That's your me. Sometimes you got a jump, man. But you. I ain't had no kid at the time. You probably got kids. You got kids. I got kids. So. Yeah. You know, growing to be less and less. But as soon as y'all got grown, then I still having grandkids. So when I. Yeah. Listen. My kids are great. I'm greater in grandkids. So keep going. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, man. Let the good time roll. You had like three grandkids in one year, didn't you? I had three grandkids in one year, man. Right. That was the year, though. Yeah. That was the year. Y'all, y'all, fuck. That's how it happened, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. karma sutra, you know, I'm saying, uh, what's your man? Okay, karma. I know that is what that is, you know, you're, you're the provocative nature intertwined sexual stuff. I'm trying not to say that. Okay. But yeah, the just your, your romance and sensual intimate dealings with women, you're very descriptive in such a way, you are too. Yeah, but I ain't, but I, I, I come off like that. Like I feel you know, you know, I'm saying that just, you know, you on the other hand, it's a little more shot value involved. You feel I'm saying, with me, you know, I, my first, I won two songs in for I will push it pump a number one. So yeah, I really kind of knew I was on that. You know, I'm saying, and plus I had three, I had three babies and diapers at the time when my first album. Well, no, I had one that had arrived in two that were, that were being presented to the world. Yeah, actually, now y'all all were born October 2001, you and Asia were, but so I had three babies and diapers by the time my first album hit the street. But for you, it's much more of a, it's much more of a shot value involved because nobody expects to hear you talk about, you know, humping and sweating. So yeah, it don't sound like that. I don't just say that. It's like if you know, you know, it doesn't sound like that. So how does it sound? Very poetic. It's like, you may not even know what you're listening to. You just know that damn, I might want to cut this on with a girl here. And maybe she might know, and she thank you sending signals. And you just don't know how it happened. You just, you just, you just follow to the wet spot. Don't need no, how you feel? Don't need no, how you got. Yeah, thank you, the man. There it is. It's my camera. Yeah, man, when you play the old type of record for me, I say, man, they dope. I can't wait to play this for your mama. That's another perspective. I don't be thinking about that. If you live, you have your mama heard these, have you listened to the record with your mama? Not with her. I don't know. She probably heard them. And what? What do you have to say? It's working. It's working. I don't know. Oh, man. It's all good. Yeah, man. It's all good, man. How old were you? If you recall, when you first realized you wanted to rap, this is for yourself. First realized, I would say always knew I wanted to be like a rapper artist of what that looked like. But what was it about the look that should because whatever it looked like then, you don't look like now, it switched. Yeah, I had figured something up. But now I remember being and I ran into this girl I went to school when she told me I was in I think third grade. And we had a dress up for whatever career you want to be. I can't school with a big old chain microphone. Just looking like a rapper shades what I thought a rapper looked like. So I knew then like, boom, I want to be a artist and I carried around a no pad, tried to write me some stuff. I didn't really know what I was doing though. It wasn't until probably 14, 15 years old, where I really tried to my real life started just spilling into the music. I seen that it was doing something for me. And then when I played it for other people, they let me know was doing something for them. That when I was like, it's just what I want to do. And as much as I discouraged you from being in the industry. Yeah, as much as I tried to steer you down a different path, what made you decide that this was it undenably. It was that it was that for sure. And then, but that as far as me trying to steer you. No, no, it was it was me expressing myself telling my telling my story. And then it's like killing two birds once done. It helped me. Then it people tell me it helped them is that then I started traveling realizing, you know, I could really travel, see the world get paid and really feel like I'm not working at all. This was what I love to do. I would do it for free. This is what I love to do. So it's like, don't tell them you do it for free. They ask you to. No, yeah, okay, I'll take it back. I could I would do it for free. If everybody else was doing it for free. If everything was free, I would do it. Yeah. Yeah. But it don't feel like I'm working. Yeah. So that's why I'm like, this is what I want to do. Got it. Um, do you ever feel or did you ever feel that it was added pressure on you because you was my son. People feel like you are already got it made and they don't need to support you. Added pressure, I would say it's pressure to establish my own name. I could say that. But not like you got to be just as good or something like that. Because I didn't feel like we came from the same situation. We didn't. So it's like, we can't even we can't even talk about the same thing or be or be weighed in the same category. That's how I feel. Okay. And he do it. He do it in his way too though. Yeah. He do it in his way. And it's still different from your way though. Yeah. How you grew up, right? But yeah. So I never really felt like it was comparable like that. Um, so that didn't bother me. But it was definitely me trying to establish my own name. And that was very important to me. I'm like, no, this is my name. Then it'd be times where I get booked for something or somebody asked me to come out doing show. They'd be like, T.I. son. They don't say my name. Like, no, I'm not coming out of that. Y'all say my name. Right. So I'm like, yeah, I'm not playing right that. Okay. Yeah. Now, you know, one thing, man, that, you know, I always go back to and I mentioned this probably, you know, publicly for the first time, not not to logo. But your cool calm, collected demeanor is something that you grew into. Yeah. Early you had quite the rambunctious persona. Um, I remember you and King, uh, dissecting squirrels in the front yard. Yep. Was one squirrel. You making it sound crazy. Oh, okay, that's what made it sound crazy. Okay, squirrels. It's not plural. Okay. Just one is one squirrel. Okay. So how did you kill this squirrel? Man, I don't even remember, but we ended up getting the hold of a squirrel. Uh-huh. And sure, we gotta hold it some, some scissors. And it's like, dang, we got to figure that squirrel out. I will worry about you out. I ain't gonna lie. I will worry. I will worry. I will worry, man. Man, I will worry, man. But think about this. It's so much for us to do. It's like, it's like, we just trying to figure it out. We just doing stuff. We outside a lot of land. So you and King, you and King used to get in trouble together. Yeah. Whenever I say, don't go outside, don't do this. You and King will always do one together that will cope doing exactly what I see it not to do. Yep. And then you kind of grew up into the money and live King getting in trouble by itself. I started standing up, painting, building stuff. And you know, I used to get whooping like every day. Yeah. I grew on. Yeah. I started getting too big. I'm like, I'm too big for this, man. You know, whooping. But now I got into just building stuff, just doing stuff with my hands, man, building, paying, drawing, putting stuff together. And I would say that really took up a lot of my time. And then when I see that people, you know, I see uncle's like, Hey, well, you'll be a pilot, a painter, a architecture. And I'm saying, I'm like, I'm not really looking at it like that. But they tell me I could be something. So I'm like, okay, let me keep doing this. Yeah. So I said, you like the results that you got from being productive. Right. Yeah. Did you talk to your little brother, say, Hey, man, listen, I've been doing this, man, and this been getting me these results. So you might want to. Nah. You know, he used to love him out there. No, he used to want to go to Memo House. He did. And then we started playing pool. I remember one time we was playing pool and I had to beat him because he was actually starting to get good. Me and him both were starting to get good where he would beat me sometimes. So down. I was like, All right, man, you think you're so good. I bet if you win this one, you go, you can go to your Memo House. If I win, you stand here. He said, All right, bet. I beat him. Uh-huh. He started. He ain't want to leave. I mean, he wanted to leave. Your hand wanted to stay. Yeah. So the street with Colin and mine. He ain't want to be in the gate, man. Street with Colin. You had to get out there with his homeboy, man. They looking for ops, man. Right. But see, that's how I meant my house. Different. See that. Yeah. He's saying that, but it's still different at the same time. What's that? Like how you grew up and like how you saying, but can't doing it. Yeah. I mean, you know, the activity, I think that it's a lot more, um, I think it's a lot more consideration being placed on these. the environment that you have access to. - Yeah. - Meaning if you wanted to, you could live without any of the pressures of poverty. - Right. - Okay. But I think what King is paying more attention to is the activity. Like even though I had access to this, I still made it my business to engage in whatever activities that are in question. - Right. - Whether it's fighting, whether it, whatever it is, I don't even want to get into it, I don't even want to get into it. And I think that that's where the lives of Blurret because people who are observing him are probably like, man, if I had that, I would. - And I can understand, you know, how that could cause a level of frustration, confusion, you know, I get that. But that was a very easy decision for you. - Yeah, you never wanted the tough stuff for you. - Right, but look, he went to school by himself, too though. - Mm. - So he probably had to carry himself a little bit different. And maybe he felt like he had to learn something. - Can you and Messiah always went to school together? - Right. - So maybe he felt like he had to pick up some new skills or something. (laughing) Cause he, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. - Okay. - Well, you know, as another added, you know, a little, a little nugget of perspective. - Yeah. - From demanding. - Right. - I always say my view on life changed when I had you guys, when you guys were born. Did that happen for you when you first held your daughter? - Yeah. But it ain't like I just knew, man. The first day out of the hospital, I went and shot a music video. And one of my people said, "Man, you walking different." I couldn't, I couldn't tell. I couldn't feel it. But I was like, shoot. Okay. (laughing) But yeah, man, it wasn't like a click, like I just knew I was ripped. - Right. - But one thing that I knew for a fact was, you know, before I had my child, I'm like thinking about all this stuff that I don't got. May need, don't know, need to figure out. But then when I held it, I'm like, I'm gonna figure out that stuff out. It's no way that I'm not gonna figure out that stuff. It's not as important because I know I'm gonna figure that. - Right on. - Yeah. - You know, I heard you say, man, that one of the things that bothered you when you were young, was often I had to leave the house, to tour, you know, be out of town. - Yeah. - Now that you're a father, how you dealing with building a career? Wow, you have a daughter at home. - Man, that's the life of a man, man. Life of a father, man. We just gotta be gone, ain't gonna lie. And it junk is tough, it's tough. Especially like when you got like a baby, you like you wanted it, she gonna remember me. She gonna, whatever we was doing, is she gonna remember that, is she gonna be too big to where it's like I'm be shocked. - Right. - So I'm thinking about all of that. And thinking about like every time she hear the garage open, she come run downstairs. What if it's not me? - I'm like, dang. - That's not that again. Like, dang, that's crazy. So I'm thinking about all that. - Right. - But it's like one day the kid's gonna understand. - Right, so yeah. - Hmm. - You know, those things that you know, you guys, when you say that, you know how me being gone to be on tour and being gone to build, you know, to build a career, how it affects you, you know. I never knew that when you guys were younger, 'cause you never expressed it to me. You never said anything, you know. You never said, oh man, I wish you would be here more. You never said anything. You said how those moments affected you. Never mentioned prison once. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, he's like, prison. We could deal with that. But now you got a tour. Oh man, my heart broke. I really didn't know. - How did that work? - I really didn't know, man. Like, to this day, I really don't feel like, I got to really sit and ask myself series of questions because I really didn't know if or did it affect me. I would say that. It's probably just when I got older and I've seen myself doing certain things and I'm asking, like, why do I probably think that way? Or why do I feel that way? Maybe it got something to do with this. Maybe just trying to trace the issues, but at the time being a kid, I don't remember, like, feeling that way. I remember on one of your records, you said that your teacher told you, while I was going through my legal situation, your teacher told you, was it third grade? I think it was younger than that. Might've been like K-something. - Kendigo, at first rate, your teacher told you, you, you was, you was gonna end up like me? - No, what she did was she kinda brought it up in the middle of class. - Like what? - Just, I remember her being up at the whiteboard, honestly, and probably just said a comment about, like, like, where's your dad or something like that? Or, I know your dad's gone. I know you're dealing with some junk. Something like that. But saying that trying to be smart, I think so, but I'm not understanding it. I probably told my mom, and she had a problem with it. And then, and then that might've been the saying lady who I said this too, she had gave me a CD. She had gave me her mixtape. It was like, let your people hear this. I'm a little kid. She gave me, she gave me that. - So in the same breath, she gonna say, your dad, your dad, that, going to prison, how you like that. And then the same breath, what would your mind passing this to me? - Mixtape. - Wow. - You remember her name? - No. - You know what I remember when she looked like? - You don't, I think. - I'd be thinking about that too, like I do. - It's probably bragging, telling people how you, how you, how you was in her class. - If there's a teacher that says she teach me, she taught me, and like kindergarten, first grade, that's probably what's happening. - God, Lee. - Yeah. - Man. - And but you had no feelings about it though. It didn't affect me. - No, I didn't understand that stuff. I want to understand it. I just knew, I probably just probably how I understood it. I was gone. She brought it up. - Man, what's going on? That's probably all I interpreted as. - Now, let's talk about the many stages and phases of the money. - Yeah. - Okay. And I can go back far, far, far, far now. Okay, so at first you wanted to play the drum. - Mm-hmm. - Yup. - You asked for a set of drums. I gave you a full set of drums. I had cymbals, snails, tom toms, everything. Might have had a zylephone on that motherfucker. You know what I mean? Get your full set of drums. How many times you play it? - Mars came through, taught me one pattern. That's the only one I learned. I played that same thing to this day. - Mm. - Tch, tch, tch, tch. (laughs) I probably didn't play it much though. - Okay. - So there's that phase. Now let me see the movie with the next phase. The next phase with the next phase, the magician. - That's a lot of stuff. - It was probably the magician phase. - Yeah. - So you were an actual magician. - Yup. - Okay, let's talk about that. - I used to pick my outfits out based on the different tricks I wanted to do at school. (laughs) If I want to do this trick, I got to, okay, I got to wear this type outfit. I used to pick, I'm for real. Other folk, they start their outfit with their shoes probably. - Yeah. - I'm like, "What trick I want to do today?" (laughs) I was a real magician. - How many tricks did you learn? - Man, I knew, I was good. (laughs) I'm for real. - What's the biggest trick? (laughs) (laughs) - What's the, what was your, okay. What was your most astronomical feat? - Okay. I did this thing, right? Where, why are you so tickled, right? (laughs) Go ahead. - Nah, I can tell them like, what you want? You see that? It's gone, put it in my hand. It's gone. Where is it? I'm not making it come back, but it's gone. It's gone, it could be it. Biggest like a soda can. - You can make it disappear. - They don't know where it went. - Wow. - Based on the outfit though, if I were to wear a different outfit. - You need a low sleeve. (laughs) - Okay, okay, so that's that fade. All right, then that was a skateboard fade. - Yeah. - That was a skateboard fade. You wanted a skateboard, you got your skateboard, you skateboarded. - Childed it. - And it was very important to you, you know. I think you were skateboarding, if I was staking. 'Cause you saw Lil Wayne skateboard. - Probably. - Yup. - 'Cause I got into, I was like in truck fitting out of that. - Yeah, okay. I remember when you told me that about you, no more polo. - I went to truck fit from polo. - You went to truck fit from polo, yeah. You said don't buy you no more polo. You know, you want the eye cool. And why you were skateboarding, you were not that good. - Yeah. - You did a lot of falling. - Yup. - A lot of falling. And you asked me to buy you a half pipe. - Yup. - The ramp that you can go up and down. And I say man you can't know like you you not that good. I don't make no sense. It doesn't it don't me out you you gonna fuck yourself up. Yeah and um tell tell tell tell the people how you responded to that. Yeah so after that I'm like okay well let me check let me go to escape part. I ended up getting a ride to this get this before Uber and all that I ended up getting a ride to escape part check it out one time now it's like this where I need to be and then could not get a ride back up there somehow. Don't nobody want to take me but now that I get older, nobody want to take a kid to escape part sit and wait for them to be done skating. All right you ready that good at the right time. But so couldn't get a ride up there so I'm like hey I'm just going to make one so I started watching videos and I ended up building uh uh uh the quarter pipe ended up building a quarter pipe in the garage and I don't know if you knew what was going on. No I did not just knew you and you you and Uncle Man was just got with just stacking wood up in the garage. I know what the hell the wood was for. All I told Uncle Man I didn't want him to help me all I wanted him to do was cut the curve in two pieces of wood and I need your truck. So I can get the wood from home depot to the house. That was it. He was having you know that's it like yeah I bet and he left me. Built that built that round. You built the whole round. Yeah by yourself. Yep now what were the dimensions do you remember? No I don't remember it's probably the biggest this board though. It was probably the biggest that board. At the time as a kid was I so how were you do you remember how you were? Maybe at lamb 12. At the time when you was a kid how was it was it was it your eye level was it taller than you? No I think I had to jump up there. So it was taller than you. Yep. So at 12 years old it was taller than you. Yep. So that got to be at least five feet. Yep. Five foot quarter pipe. Okay. What's that? It was starting to it then it didn't mess up. It was good. How much the nails and that was me man. Screws. Screws. Yeah. Okay got it. Got it. All that. And you and you and you did all of this just out of your true desire. Yep of one one escape man. It was an obstacle in my way. It couldn't go to the skate part not getting a quarter pipe not getting a half pipe. Let me just build it. Yeah. So you built it and and you didn't just build so so the quarter pipe is one side of the ramp. Yeah. The half pipe and when you got both sides of the ramp we can go up go down going this side go up and go down. Yep. So you did both of those ramps. It got to that where I started with the quarter pipe. You know I was like, hey what if I could just like saying what if I could go up on the other side too. And you built the nose. Yeah. Same measurement. Probably maybe a little smaller but it did it. It worked. Okay. Now I remember when you asked me for the quarter pipe had pipe whatever you call it. I said if you could skate boy down this hill because the house it had a hill like when you came through the gate you had to go down the hill to get to the atrium or the driveway in front of the door. And I said if you could skate down this hill without falling I get you one. And so then you built one. I feel. Yeah. You want to go be able to get that one up. Yeah. All right. So and then you say what about half the hill. I got to go all the way to the top. I said yeah you want to go to the top. And so you built it and then you came and got me. Came and got me and I said oh my god why didn't it here. My first thing was who got you there. Yeah. And you said I built it. I said okay. And you say just watch me. I say damn I don't want to see this. And so you you you had some little stas or whatever you walked up there. You went down up down back up and walked up. I completed the mission man. I completed it but you never skated again. Yeah I completed the mission man. I feel like you don't tell you what it's something it was something else too. Somebody somebody asked me like did I break something that I break a bond or something like that. That I ain't breaking nothing. Yeah you probably gonna break some bones but ooh and then it like just carried on in the conversation like that. What? Like breaking bones with noise. Damn. So you didn't want it that bad. Now I ain't wanting that bad man. I was just enjoying skating and learning little tricks but they doing all that crazy stuff and I got to break some bones probably gonna happen. Yeah. I ain't trying to do all that man. Another phase of demanding. Help noses. Oh dang yeah. You are a hypnotist. Okay. Do you this? I think anyone could do it. But man but what made you pick up help noses? It was a video shoot. I was shooting a music video and I was just inviting people because I needed people in the video. Somebody who knew him noses ended up coming and I had stepped out and walk back in the room and then it was like it was just girl like just running around talking about the flow was lava. So I'm just like what are y'all doing? We about to film. Like no she hypnotized. I'm like listen y'all we need to get this shot. We all in is location for a certain amount of time. Yeah. Then the dude had said no look on the count of three when I snapped my fingers you're not gonna be able to see nobody in the room. I said okay let's see how this goes. He snapped his fingers. She then can see nobody. You could try to make her eyes flinch. She wasn't going. She couldn't see she could see right through you. Yeah and then I said bro how you do that? How you do that? Okay. And he taught me. He taught me how to do it and I tried it and I realized man the human brain the mind could do some crazy things and it's really not that difficult man. We probably walk around getting hypnotized every day. Yeah commercials all that triggers. But yeah I then I started going to school and then I just probably told somebody yeah I had hypnotized somebody this weekend. They said you lying. Let me do you. Yeah. And I did somebody in school and then somebody else wanted to do it and then now I'm walking down the hallway teacher stopping me the money coming hypnotized my class. I'm like wow. I had to talk the whole gym. The whole gym. I sound like fat Joe now but yeah you're gonna tie the whole gym. Everybody who wanted to do it. I said yeah who I want to do it man. Y'all just lined up some chairs. Had them lined up and yeah the coach the coach just started at the money. You can't hypnotize everybody now. Yeah chill. Did you hypnotize the coach? Now they didn't want to do it. I remember you tried it on me. Did I? No you didn't want to do it man. No you tried it didn't work. Because you didn't want to do it. No I didn't want to do it. It's just think it ain't going to work. On record it's not going to work because you don't want to do it. It ain't that I don't want to do it. It's just that it ain't going to work. I don't want to do it because I know it ain't going to work. It's a futile activity. Now so hypnosis you got to listen and actually follow the directions. I don't follow the directions. No you ain't wanted to happen. Imagine your child hitting the title of you. You didn't want me hitting the title of you. I would love for you to you know I'm saying even if I said I didn't want this to happen I would love for you to show me that you were right and I was wrong. I would love that. I would have wiped your memory. You want to knew? I would have said when I say wait I'm finna say did it work and you gonna say no. I said I would have wiped your memory. God dang. Oh man. Okay let me think other demanding moments man that people might not be privy to. Okay. Oh you had a comedian you that was a comedy phase. You wanted to be a stand-up comedian. People probably just told me to try it. They said man you funny you should try. I don't care I try. You got up there. Got up there. You got up there and went and I mean on a real stand-up comedy stage in a real comedy club. You know K-dub was K-dub. I got a few laughs. You did? I got a few laughs man. It was cool. That stuff. Tough man. You did? When you get up there you realize that I gotta be funny right now. That's not tough for real. Okay. More demanding moments. Okay. Something that people might not be aware of about you but you have a heightened sense of empathy. Okay. You're able to feel what others are going through. Almost kind of like it's it's you can intimately feel like you really do feel it's I'm going to like you. Somebody'll tell you they hungry your stomach will still grab yeah, you know, I mean, yeah, where does that come from? Where did you get that? Man, I don't know That's some great question. Hmm. I really don't know man. Um, I Would just be up here guessing hmm, but but I've heard that a lot and I could definitely feel that for sure You have such a lifetime. I you feel so much of what other people experience I've never and you know, you have to be extremely selfless to do that Yeah, cuz it's gonna take a lot though Yeah, yeah, to take your mind out of what everything you got going on and put their experience In the fourth breath Yep of your thought I don't think I was talking about this, but people usually tell me people is calling me doctor Phil in school Here's the call you doctor Phil. Call me doctor Phil. Well, you know, I ain't cursed I ain't doing nothing like I had my whole my circle was like It was like stop cursing the money. Don't like cursing mm-hmm y'all chill. What made you like that? Man, bro. I really don't know man, but I know I was cursing. I was cursing like maybe Third third grade second third grade. Yeah, I had a little girl. I was talking with we was cursing together I'm like we cursing Then I started realizing okay, I gotta go home and stop cursing Then you ain't like cutting it out. Yeah, I'm like wow, I'm just I'm doing too much feel like And nobody had to tell you that That's a level of self-awareness to every child or every human being don't even get to experience. Yeah Yeah, I just felt like I was doing too much man. I'm just Switching switching on and off and stuff. Mm-hmm. True. I just not curse It really it then I started getting immune and wanting to know new words. I'm like really. I'm saying better stuff when I'm not cursing Let me ask you as As a as a son to a legendary figure And also a son to you know, somewhere who's presenting himself as a leader of Of a community or as a leader of Region or generation What is the best piece of advice that I gave you that actually stuck? Hmm You said a lot of good stuff, man, but I would say seeing it Seeing it in real time like right there in front of you Was probably the best advice or just way way to move like this Just how you handle yourself in different situations If it's business if it's if it's work at it if it's just taking care of everybody Or just just being humble like if someone if someone taking care of everything and Just really got all that power if you look at it that way power It's power man because you could abuse it and be a terrible dude Well, it's also a responsibility It's responsibility, but a lot of people you know how they say man if I had that I'd be Yeah, now you weren't like that. So I will say seeing how you were Give me an example of how you would you mean by I wouldn't like that like what do you mean, but? Now you could you could pay for something and then want to dictate exactly how it is, but that's not how you do the How do I do? You like I push out. I'm really understanding, but go ahead try it. I'm like that. Yeah, would you I See you did that with anybody like who yeah, all right, so with me if it was a if I'd ran out of money And you knew it was a song that I needed to shoot a music video for you like when you shoot it I'm probably shooting the next week next month. I don't know. You shoot that video. I ain't shoot it yet. What you need give me 10,000 What what is it? I don't know yet, but I'm I think it's gonna be dope All right, man, try it out. I guess I ain't gonna make it back So if I get two million views on YouTube, I probably make it back All right, you answer the question shoot try it. See if it works. Mm Stuff like that. Mm I don't even remember it Okay, I'm sure it happened, but I was just saying like stuff like that. I don't need you know, I mean Now, but you probably do that a lot though. That's probably stories people could tell you you probably forgot about Can't can't go with the motion and that he had what can you test you got some stories? What what happened? Yeah You know when I was in my gaming area my GTA when I was building my server We still got started we still building and I still got access we pay for It was twenty four thousand dollars $24,000. I appreciate you for that too. Yeah, but the important part is we still got what we pay I'm talking about all together because the dude who built that he wanted some money didn't need the equipment You needed all that other stuff. Yeah, yeah, but You did it, you know, I'm saying that you don't know nothing about no game and you really didn't believe in it at all I didn't you probably still don't that don't but um, I knew it was a way. It's still around. It's still around Does it appreciate as time goes on? Well, telling me was you were talking about the NFT oh, no, not NFT the what is it the? The virtual The virtual real estate Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. You could say this online for real money. I'm like to who? First you gotta build the community I just had to be consistent like what I got consistent with it. It was always something that I had to Go do this and then when I come back. We got rebuild. Yeah, so We haven't struck it But we ain't stopped though. We ain't stop. Um, but you didn't do it a lot, man, but um, yeah, I'm gonna get back to it. Hey, man Well, man him got something to do later. We got something else to do. Okay, we got a whole another we got a whole another Topical discussion What this success look like for me to you hmm mentally not financially, okay You thought you had the answer right there Mentally, okay, and not involving finance at all. You mean like not a dollar amount or don't got none to do it I'm just saying like in your man mentally what all right success Don't got to worry about what food coming from hmm Sure family family happy. I could say I could say yes to the people that I want to say yes to them. Mm-hmm Meaning like if if mom like I want to do this or or I want to I want to go try this out. I want to go here Can we do this? You know what yeah, let's try Being healthy Let me see healthy happy and traveling. That's success, man. Mm-hmm for sure. Okay. Okay. I Mean Did you find yourself giving advice to King more so as he you know makes his way Navigates his way through the industry if it is I got to figure out how to deliver it. Mm-hmm. Why so like medicine It's like We gotta make the medicine taste good But you know what y'all remind me y'all remind me of two motherfuckers. They started out in the streets together They both went in on the library ran that one person Got away and went off and the other one Went to prison and I ain't gonna say witchy witch, but when they met back up. Yeah, one of them In this time had then evolved their consciousness to a level with like man I'm not on what we on the other one like man. I learned how to do it right this time, right, you know what I'm saying Let's do it again. That's how y'all's dynamic you right, but look Can't be saying something can't like and I I hate to say it like that because Every time people say can be saying something they make it sound like they surprised But nah, he don't understand how Potently intelligent my sperm is. Hey, okay, you can say that. I don't think you understand you making it weird I have eloquent semen. Damn you made it worse I don't think I don't think anybody understand You know, this is good stuff man. This is good stuff good stuff. I Don't have ain't no dumb kids How many kids and then then the most kids you have the more of an opportunity You get a dumb one I'm saying ain't now ain't got no dumb kids man, and so that's you know, look at what my sperm can do. - All right. So, yeah, I feel like we both be saying something, man, 'cause he just too perspectives, man, too different perspective. - 'Cause you see how you just didn't feed into my, my, my, my, my, I beat at all. You just, what gives you the ability to just let it, just slide by, like, yeah. Okay, so what I was saying, how do you do that? - Man, she, I don't know for you, man, it's just, focused. (laughing) - All right. Something about you and your level of empathy, a story that I have that I don't think people know about. I know one person in particular that doesn't know about it. Kevin Hart. - Okay. - Oh, that ain't, so, so, so me and Demani, when Demani was about, I don't know man, we about 15 years old. We were moving around through the city, man, and he had just started hanging out with me, going to places I go, doing the stuff that I do. We went to a lounge, it was a day party at a lounge. It was across the street from Files. We didn't go to Files, but we went across the street to a day party, it was the weekend, and we went in there, and we were in there kicking it, having a good time. I think they were around about Demani, when the back Demani came at. - Yeah. - Everybody thought that I was saying your name, - Yeah. - And so we went there, and you know, they playing the record, Kevin Hart was in there. And you know what I'm saying, they playing the record, and we chilling and having a good time. And then Kevin was drunk. - Yeah. - Kale was drunk, he would pissy-wussy, man. You know what I'm saying, I don't know what it was. - Success, man, that's right. - Yeah, that's right. - Yeah, good of you. - He had, 'cause he damn sure had enough of that to get drunk. But he was like, I'm talking about like visibly drunk, like stumbling kind of words, like you know what? - You know, like that type of shit. - And you know, he said to me, you know, I love seeing you hang out with your side. It's you and you 'em, it's good, make me feel good. It reminds me of me when I get a chance to hang out with my side. So you know what? - You turn into my, you know I'm gonna do for you? You know I'm gonna do for you? - You not gonna be able to stop me? - Yeah, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna give you a watch. I'm gonna give you a watch, you know what I'm gonna give you a watch. Because I want you to have this watch, because I want my side. I say, what, that's a kid that don't even make no sense. I mean, no sense. Why are you giving him a watch? Because you want your son to have a watch. Why don't you just get a damn watch to your son? - Yeah. - He say, "Tip, stop it!" - Can't stop me. - When you see him putting the watch on my wrist, you started taking off your watch. - Yeah, I took my watch. - I said, "Man, here, you give him this watch?" I'm gonna give you this. - Yeah, then I'm gonna do. - No, both of y'all chill, right? (laughing) I don't need the watch. He was like, "No, you're gonna keep this watch." I'm like, "Oh, man." - Yeah, he forced that watch on the money. A Rolex, Rolex, I think it was a Daytona or something like that. - Yep. - And that was the heartfelt gesture, Kevin Holt, extended himself to the money. And that was such a memorable moment. And you know, an item that I felt would be, like it would tug at someone's hard strings and it would offer a level of consideration. Where's the watch, the money? - Yeah, so, boom, I was going to the restaurant. - Which one? Did I tell you that? - I don't know, man. - It's Chipotle. - Yeah, man. (laughing) - Chipotle. (laughing) - I was going to Chipotle. I seen his look here just sitting on the ground. She counting coins or something, jump. He ain't saying, "Where are you? I'm just talking to him." I'm like, "Well, you're doing." And he's like, "Shoo, man, I'm just trying to. " I don't know. He's not talking like how I'm saying right now. He's like a look here. - How do you look? - He probably would nine, eight. - Okay. - But yeah, he was just like, "Man, I'm trying to get to my mom. "We at a hotel, I'm like, okay, for sure." And then I had one in there, I made my bowl. Then I asked him, I was like, "How long this kid been out here?" It was like, "Yeah, he just got out there today." I don't know. But I was like, "He don't be out there." And then she was like, "No." He just showed up today. I was like, "Okay, for sure." I ain't had no cash, I mean. But I was like, "Shoo, bro." I don't know what you got going on, but I'ma get his watch. I'ma get his watch. And what I could tell you to do is sell it. Sell this watch. And this is how much I heard his word. So if someone tried to get you lower than this, nah, man, I'll take you. Go and sell the watch. And go figure it out. - Oh. - And he was like, "You said this to a nine-year-old." - Yeah. (laughing) - He out side. - Okay. - Yup, so I gave him the watch. - And you never told Kevin. - Never told him. (laughing) - Well, he doubt she'll know now. - Yeah, 'cause I don't think he'll be mad. He gave it to me. - Yeah. - I gave it to someone else. (laughing) - You gotta keep giving stuff. - Somebody else's son I got wet, yeah. - Okay. - But it wasn't like 'cause I didn't care about the watch. It was like, "Oh, I'm not a material guy." Anyway, I'm not materialistic. So I wasn't thinking that I gotta hold this watch. I was thinking, "Shoo, bro, you gotta figure yo junk out." I don't got none on me right now. I get this watch. - Mmm, yeah. - Damn. - Demi-E-E-S-O. - That why I don't care stuff, that I don't be having stuff on me. - Nothing to bad. - 'Cause I give it away. - Get that shit off of me. (laughing) - Get that shit off of me. - For real. - Talk about the shirt off my back. I give you the watch off my wrist. It's crazy. - Yeah. - For you and Kevin, both of you motherfuckers two generals. You motherfuckers two rich. - I need to run into Kevin again, man. (laughing) Shout out to Kevin. - How do you decide who to collaborate with on your music? - Okay. Really it's whoever I really vibe with for real. I'm not trying to force nothing. - Mmm. - So if they, if they, I'm not finna chase nobody down to try to get no music done. - Right. - I will try to get a hold of you to clear the music, but to create it, nah it's really like do you wanna work? I wanna work, sure. I think you dope, you think I'm dope? Let's see what we could do. And it's really like that, man. If I do reach out, I'm not too pressed, but it's not like orchestrated. Like hit my manager, my manager hits you. I don't know the label figured out and get this person on it. And chip it, I don't know, it's not like that. It's just, it's a vibe, man. I hate saying that, but it's a vibe. It's a vibe, bro. - Yeah. - Nothing is forced and you run it, but I personally ran into some dope artists and created some dope music that happened to see the light of day, but that's how I do it. - That's what's up. - What about your fashion style? Like do you style yourself? - Yeah. I think I'd be fresh too though, bro. I'll do it. Fuck you, I ain't ready to be humble. I think I'd be fresh. - Yeah, okay. - I think I'd be fresh. Do you pick your styles out by the look of it or how it make you feel or your magic treat? - Nah, nah, nah, nah. Not the magic treat today, nah. But okay, it definitely feels like it gotta be consumable. But today, man, I want, I just want to match and sit. Just match and sit. Don't sell me one of nothing. - Yeah. - Make sure that you sound like a nigga with some money, then. - Bro, don't sell. - Don't want a nut, nah, nah. (laughing) - I'm saying just like a shirt or a pants by itself that don't go with nothing else. - Yeah. - Like nah, man. - I got to push together. - I gotta push out the mannequin. - Yeah, just give me that. - Give me that, man. (laughing) And then it's simple as that though, bro. - Oh, you remember I used to wear the same shoes like every day. - Yes you did. - Like three years. - Yeah. - Oh, years of time. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I didn't care. So it's like, so you ain't never went without shoes for. - Ain't, now, you're saying the same thing. You ain't never went without shoes for. - I used to get my shoes away. - I know. - Yeah. - 'Cause I bought 'em. - 'Cause you bought 'em. If I were to buy, I probably wouldn't have bought 'em. Honestly, if I were to buy, I probably wouldn't, but I wouldn't have bought 'em. - Mm, yeah. - You grew up seeing my evolution as an artist. What do you think? What do you think the best changes that you've seen in my career from me? - That's changed. Now that I got older, man, coming out of prison and still figuring it out, yeah. I know when I don't be recording for two, three weeks, I be feeling arrested. Mm, you go and do a year and come out, hit the ground running. That takes a lot, mm, coming out of prison. Or, or I could say, experience and the amount of success, and you still being hungry and still having the work ethic. - Mm, yup. - What was the best and worst part about growing up in a big family? - Best, you always got someone to talk to. You always got someone, you a kid, play with someone to hang out with, worse, it's like they always dare. And now, brother, man, they always dare, man. So that was times you wanted time to yourself, and you just, you just had people. They dare. And I know it. Oh, man, man, what was your favorite city that you ever played and why? Favorite city, probably my head right now is DC, DC, 'cause that's my first spot that I sold out of show at DC show me love, always been showing me love, um, and it's just a great, it's a great city, man, great party city, and they know we did that show out there, man, you I was the most I got paid for a show, DC, I say DC right under that somewhere in Texas, we could we could say Houston, yeah, Houston Dallas, yeah, and, um, did it have ancestors help shape how you treat and view when, yup, and then maybe you just prepared for me because, um, I feel like if a dude don't got sisters, like they don't know nothing, they go into a blind, hmm, yes, I kind of got a little understanding, but man, yeah, I mean you too, just tell me about when you like, man, shoot, the day you think you figure it out of woman, you're not a man, I don't know if that's exactly what you said, but there's some like, that's exactly like, but all that stuff go together, man, just, yeah, about all the information, man, do you ever find yourself a situation to be like, man, what would pop? Yeah, hmm, what types of situation, okay, me being a father, I can't think of, uh, probably balancing my schedule, um, balancing my schedule and remembering, uh, to, to give my child, my time, um, or if I, if I can't like, free up my schedule, just bring up with me, um, cuz that's what you did, shoot, I just don't have any like, the studio, right, so I wanted to come to the studio, but, um, you could have been like, nah, stay in the house, you like, yeah, come on, what's up, all right, come on, you can go, um, even if you're doing some other stuff, it's like, you made sure it didn't cross and, and it didn't affect me, but you still like, let me come, hmm, and that meant something to you, yeah, I mean, but then that taught me, like, I could just bring my child, I could just bring, you know, yeah, that was up, um, last night, Lee, and you, you have a plethora of answers to choose from, but if you weren't an artist, do what you're doing now, what would you be, and what would you be doing? Well, what would I be doing? Okay, I got the science situation, what would I be doing? It's probably just creating something though, um, definitely, you wouldn't be a candle maker, yeah, what got you into making candles, by the way? I just noticed I always, uh, bought candles, I wanted a candle in the room, I wanted the room to smell like some other than just the room and people, um, so get a candle and then thug was in this room, actually, and he needed some candles, I'm the only one that bring my candles, so I told the, you could use my candles and he was like, like, these yours, like you made them, I said, nah, they just, I just bought them, but she could use them. And I walked out, I said, you know what, I'm tripping, I need to make some freaking candles, I need to make my own candles, and I've heard it before, have you sold it in the, he sold it in the spider, since since you start making, I gave them, I gave them some, okay, and then he said, I told him how I got into it, that same story, he was like, so what you gonna, you gonna give me something? I said, she was, this is it right here, man, he used candles, he said, hi, I bet, I said, hi cool, but yeah, I just gave him some candles, yeah, he was cool, that was so, how is it like, you know, growing up around people that are celebrities to the public, but you like consider them, I get your uncles, your cousins, your partners, how does that, man, you just got a different view of the world, for real, I was in school, deep-bunking, theories, and like what, like if they talk about Lohm and I, I'm like, man, I've been with these people, man, these good people, man, I'm trying to tell you, I'm trying, I'm trying to tell you know, that's probably didn't happen at all, but just having a different perspective to be able to decipher between like entertainment, what you see on the screen, and like really known a person, so I would say that, man, and a lot of people coming to the game, being nervous or star struck, damn, like me being around celebrities growing up, like you said, really just true, everybody that's saying for real, that's right, well y'all hear me, man, it's real, yeah, man, then people be a little weird sometimes too, so, yeah, this is also true, yeah, so it's like you even more normal, yeah, perspectives, what would I be doing, creating, I'll be creating, probably paying drawn, paying it, probably paying, cause I could put a any type of price on a painting, that's true, so, probably paying, top five artists, yeah, rappers, yeah, are you going to say you, no, man, that's funny, yeah, that was real funny, no, but you, I'm gonna say, 13,000, man, Jay-Z, Kendrick Lamar, I'm gonna say tip, Jayco, that's my five right there, 13,000 Jay-Z, Kendrick Lamar, tip, Jayco, yup, okay, that's a pretty solid five, man, I said tip though, not ti, I said tip, and what would be the difference in the two to you, man, if you're a real fan, you know, you're a real fan, you know, man, okay, right, oh man, but that's my list, have you said your list, man, nah, not really, man, all right, come on, what's your list, top five, man, pop, pop outcast, I put outcasts on the initial act together, pop outcast, UGK, Jay-Z Scarface, I was waiting on Scarface, I still don't know too much about Scarface, it's a cold, motherfucker, man, Brad Joanne, named the fuck with, man, that's his name, yeah, Garface, a graduate, he's a cold, man, and you know, he wanted a only motherfucker from the south, that even when the south didn't have to respect the new y'all, oh, they go fuck with him, no, they know, you know, I mean, like he was, he was the first to step outside the south and go up top and earn that respect, that a lyricist, that a lyricist, you know, only gets from other lyrics, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, that's a solid list, man, I want to tell you, man, I'm proud of you, I'm proud of the man that you've become, I'm proud of the artist that you've evolved into, I'm proud of your journey, I'm proud to see, you know, that as I talk and you act like you're not listening that you actually hear something, right, you know, you don't do like what I said to do, but you do something that shows that you heard what I see, that's real, that's deep, so I appreciate that and, and congratulations on your, your latest project, you know, one more question I got before I get out of here, yeah, I've, you've seen me go through many different levels of scrutiny from the public, you've seen me be received so many different ways, you've seen me deal with, you know, crisis is, yeah, it's crisis is, it's crisis plural or just crisis, I think crisis crisis is don't say crisis is crisis, that's I'm allowed to say you see me deal with my crisis is, yeah, no, you see me in my my crises. But now, man, when we go, when I go through shit and then shit is public and everywhere, where everybody else talking about it, how do that shit make you feel? It's a good question. Um, that go back to me, like, feeling like, you know, like, I know this guy. Um, it kinda, let me see, it made me rethink the, the album, no mercy. Like when, when you up, don't know about it, really care about you or when you got it going on, don't know about your care about yourself. I, I'd be like, bro, y'all don't even know. But for me to actually, I really don't know, bro, I just, I just commend you because it could, you could, the way that I know you really like to deal with stuff, it could be worse, you know what I'm saying? And I just try to just be there. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean? No, I'm saying not there when you trying to do stuff, if you, what did you mean? Like, what did you mean when you say the way you know that I really like it? What did you know that I really like to deal bro, you like a, you're just a physical, you, you just like a physical dude, bro. Like, there's a pause button here. Okay. I pause, pause. Now that's an identity and see it, go ahead, finish your thought. I don't know. I'm saying like, you don't really be trying to talk. Like, this is like, what we doing straight forward? Like, um, you not trying to go back and forth on the internet about no, you trying to see the way you, what's going on? What, what, what, what we doing? I've been known as a put, I've been a pull the rapper. Yeah. So, I'm gonna pull the rapper. Man. So, so just seeing you grow like that and meeting on who you are, I say it's commendable. But a lot of times I'm thinking, but y'all don't even know like this, this is good dude. I mean, let me ask you what's the one that's been, or is there any experience that you caught me dealing with something that I might not have known you was around and you saw me in that light? Yeah. For sure. It had been time. It probably just been small to you, but I'm like, nah, wait a minute. This could get bad. Come on. Just us being out and hear somebody say something and then hear that you heard, see that you heard it. I'm like, just, you feel my hand on on your shoulder. I'm like, come on. Let's go on. Just chill because man, he's supposed to be really talking about nothing, but I didn't see that a lot. I remember that Coachella just got me bringing up still. You had Daisy on your back. Daisy was sleep. I think this was the first outcast concert I didn't say. Let me get introduced to outcast. Daisy sleep on your back. We don't walk the long way. This Coachella. You got Daisy on your back the whole way. I'm not thinking about that as a child, but now my one year real heavy. Daisy was probably 12, 13 maybe. All right. So she on your back, they're not trying to let us and wherever we trying to get and you was like, bro, you can let us through. I'm trying to push you out the way and get. I'm like, man, this body gets crazy. But in fact, man, we ran over that guy. They won that big deal. But it's stuff like that a lot, man. What you on, all right, back to your original question, man. People, I be feeling like, y'all don't know this guy. This is a real good dude and y'all really doing the disservice because he's here. I'm saying, y'all really got the chance to learn from who I feel like a great dude. So that's how I be feeling. Damn. I appreciate that, man. And that's really how I care about me. And I care about, you know, what the people around me think of me, how they feel about me, what their experience of me, while I'm on Earth is, people who don't have an opportunity to actually experience me, they only have to draw a conclusion or an assumption from whatever headlines they see or whatever videos they put there. They don't really have the access to the truth. So they have to create their own truth in their head. Yeah, a lot of times they don't want to believe it. Yeah, because it's too good to be true. Right. Their experiences is what shapes their opinion. Yeah. So if they've never experienced nobody that dealt with them the way I deal with people, they're going to say, no, no, no, and ain't that because ain't nobody never did that for me. Right. Ain't nobody ever had a meal like that. So I know that ain't true, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So I think, you know, that's, that's the reason they, but it's a shame that is that many people growing up lacking that level of, of, of, of genuine intention, that level of, of, you know, just that level of principle. You know, I'm saying because at the end of the day, what you do is not as important as why you do it. Yeah. I mean, like people moving around, I'm gangster. I'm gay, but for what? You gangster for what? You gangster for the purpose of feeding your family by any means. You gangster for the purpose of protecting and defending the women and children of the community by any means. What are you gangster for? You get gangster because you just want to feel like you gangster. So you do shit that you think you've seen gangsters do and you think that that's the way. Yeah. Ain't no purpose. So people don't have access to as much purpose to where when they see true purpose, they don't understand that shit is like confused. No, it can't be. It can't be. It can't be. But man, and I appreciate having that image of myself, you know, convey to you because the things that give me that purpose, that confidence, that that drive is y'all. Knowing that I can't tell them now if they need me, I had nigga now, I got to be. It got to beat up. And if you in the way, I hate it for you. Yeah. But wrapping up. Go get the forever lasting tape. Yeah. Right now. What do people get your count? Man, be real. You can really just go on my page or whatever. What's your page? The money. We'll creative, man. Yeah, man. Just demining that calm. Well, my I'll tell my life social media. Oh, okay. We got a website. This is demining forever. Demining forever that calm. Okay. But if you just go on my page and just talk about just ask me where to get a candle, um, check your DM. After you ask me about a candle, check your DM. So you had a day, do you have a DM in people? But a candle. If they ask everybody candle, I'm sending the link to the candle. Okay. So if you ask me, check the DM. Now we, we, we, we here at expeditions to have something called the word of the day. Word of the day is usually a word that derives from the conversation or is dedicated or inspired by the guest. Word of the day today is dynastism. I thought I was supposed to know it. Dynastism. No, I don't know that preference for maintaining power within a family life. Dynastism. Root word. Dynastism. Yeah, that's what I thought you said. Dynastism. I practice calculated dynastism ensuring that the family's wealth and influence stays within the family. Dynastism. I practice calculated dynastism. Mm-hmm. See, I got it. How many times, how many times do you got to use a word for you to remember it? How many times? Yeah. And do you ever say out loud when it's your first time using a word? Yeah. Of course I do. I ain't never heard you say that. What you mean? My first time. I mean, I ain't never, I ain't never like had to, uh, I ain't had to just broadcast when it was my first time using the word, but that was my first time using that word right there. But you broadcast. Oh, no, no, you could have already knew it. I mean, I knew of it, but I hadn't used it. But I think, man, just having a little, I know a bunch of words I probably never used, but I probably never used, you know what I mean? And that's the beauty of it because you never run out of, uh, uh, uh, very bitch from, from language. You just never will. You never will. And I mean, the ability to articulate one's thoughts into expression. That is what separates human beings from the savage bee. You said it, yeah. Beasts have thoughts. They can't communicate you with the fuck they thinking, though, it feels bad. Yeah. So that is what separates human beings from the savage beast, the ability to articulate one's thoughts into expression. Now, it was a pleasure having you on on my show, but I got to ask you a question I got to ask you a question Okay, well I get out of here. Where's King verse? King verse Man, it's already made Where? Yeah, since he out of room. Yeah. Oh, you did obviously already me. Oh, okay. Oh, he just don't know Man, he got to work for what he got what he got to do, bro Yeah, I get in the mud Don't tell him that Now it's it's already made up I say live man, man. You've been a phenomenal guest, man. I appreciate it Yes, right on and give me some old grandchildren Expeditionally, no, not now you can wait. Oh, I thought okay right now. Okay. This is expeditious. I am to see I have You