T.A.N.C. (There Are No Coincidences) w/ Aliza Kelly

(upbeat music) - Hey everyone, I'm Morgan Stewart and welcome to the Morgan Stewart Show. I'm gonna be talking about pop culture, fashion, my personal life, and just a warning, I will be giving my opinions on everything. And those opinions are subject to change, okay? Now, let's get into it. - Can we start? Oh my God, oh thumbs up, Alisa, welcome! - Yay! - Can I tell you, I am so obviously, for obvious reasons, I am so excited that you're here. - I mean, like we were talking about the fact that I feel like this is a long time coming. - But we needed you to have a show. - We needed me to have a show for this to all come to fruition. And also, I feel like we were trying to track each other down even in the last few weeks. You went to Disneyland with your child. - I did. - Okay, first of all, I wanna talk about you as a human before we go into like me obsessing about myself. - Okay. - Where are you from? - I'm from New York. - Okay, like Born and Raised. - Born and Raised. - New York City. - New York City. - Okay, what's your birthday? - August 18th. - So you're Leo? - I'm a Leo. - What's your rising? - Capricorn. - Obviously, look at this. - We need to talk about Pisces. - Okay, what's your husband's sign? - He's an Aries. - Okay, Leo and Aries are very good. Right, 'cause a fire. - Yeah, fire, fire, fire. And then our daughter is a Sagittarius. - Oh my God, you're. - Yeah, it's all fire. - So you have a family of fire and I have a family of air. - Do you? - We're all air. - Oh my God. - Aquarius, I love Libra Gemini. - I love. - Okay, how did you get into astrology? - Well, you know, to me it was a surprise. - To me it was a big shocker. You know, I went to college and I studied, I went to Carlton, which is in Minnesota. - Oh wow. - Solar Art School, very, very. - Oh my God, I love Capricorn. - I love Capricorn, yes. I went to, so I studied art history. I was working in the art world. I was living in Los Angeles. I had moved to Los Angeles. - Okay. - And I was finding myself like so many people do in their early 20s, very dissatisfied, very confused. - My boyfriend at the time who was from LA was like living a double life. I was like getting fired. He was breaking up with me. I was breaking up with him. My roommate left and moved to Big Bear. So then I had no roommate. It was just like I was in such, my life was in such disarray. And I was like, what the hell is happening? Like what is going on? - Okay. - So like a normal slash abnormal person. I was like, well let me look to see what's going on astrologically. - Okay. - And it clicked so much that I never stopped. That was truly, and there's a lot more to it. My friend and I from college started an astrology dating app in 2013 because we were millennials who believed that we could do anything. - I understand that. - So yeah. - I think we can see it by the way. - Yeah, I know. I mean, I always have millennial core hope. - Yeah. - Like flowing through my veins. The writing was on the wall for a long time because I was always a spooky kid. - Okay. - I was always-- - Like in a good way, but you look mystical to me. - Yeah, I mean, and I've always looked this way. Like this is just, you know, I've had a very consistent style my whole life. So, you know, and I was one of those kids who was like, during a sleepover I was like, let's do Ouija board. And every parent was like, we're not having a Lisa over again. Like she's too much, too much for the household. So like, I think everyone who knew me probably was like, oh, this trajectory makes a ton of sense. But I'm a Capricorn rising. - Oh my God. - So I was like, I need respect. I need to be respected in this world. And I knew, I'm no fool that astrologers are very stigmatized. You know? I knew that if I fully committed to this path, that I was going to spend my whole life proving that I was smart, proving that I was a critical thinker, proving that I was like a meaningful, capable person who wasn't just like trying to heal things with, you know, Palo Santo. - Palo Santo. - And it was like, and it took all of my 20s and until after my Saturn return to finally commit to recognizing that I could handle that. That I could handle a life of constantly being sort of like judged. - Don't you feel like astrology as of late has really come into its own? Like I feel like astrology is like a topic for everybody. Everyone is always asking about astrology. - Yes. - And it wasn't like that, I think 10 years ago. - No, it wasn't. - It wasn't as intense or extensive, right? It was like, I knew I was a Gemini my whole life beyond that I had no idea. - Yeah, I mean, and, you know, not to like, not to flex, but I think that a lot of the work that I was doing, me and, you know, some of my contemporaries were, some of the reason that astrology is in the zeitgeist. - Flex all day. - You know? - Oh, I'm the same way. Why do you think you know about those sunglasses guys? 'Cause of me, but nobody tracks it back to me. - Well, we can do. - We can. - Okay. (laughing) - It was on the record. - Now it has been recorded, so. - Okay, so where did you meet your husband? - Tinder. Strike that match. - I know. - Literally, 'cause of all the air. - I know, I had an irony of having started an astrology dating app 'cause I was like, it's never gonna work on these, on these old school ones that are like the meat markets. - Right, right, right. - And then I move back to New York, and within six months I meet my husband on Tinder. - Okay, how long were you together before he proposed? - Well, we started dating in 2017. - Oh, while long time ago. - Yeah. - And then he proposed right in the heart of COVID. - Great. - Which was like awesome timing. - Okay. - So areas of him. - Uh-huh. - He got the ring and he like, could not wait. - Good, why would he, that was long enough time, right? - There was some reason to wait. Like, it was not like an opportune time to like, celebrate. - Fair. - Nobody wanted to do anything. - Do you know what I think? - Right, fair, fair, fair. - And then we got married in 2022. - Okay, and you have a two-year-old. - Yes. - So what's his name? - Her name? - Tallula. - Can I tell you something that's so witchy? My first, first and longest childhood friend is named Tallula. - How do you spell it? - I spelled it like a funky way. - Okay. - I did T-A-L-U-L-A. - Okay, she did T-A-L-L-U-L-A-H. - Yeah, that's the classic. - Tallula. - This is the third Tallula I know now. - Really? - Yeah, my friend of mine, my friend Ruthie had a baby. She named her Tallula. My childhood friend, Tallula. And now you're Tallula. - Oh, wow. - Tallula is a very strong name. - Yeah, and I feel like, you know, when we knew that Tallula was gonna be as agitarious, when that like locked in, when we saw the Scorpio come and go, my friend, Tallula is a Scorpio. - Oh, really? - Does that not, I feel like that's what-- - It could fit, it could fit. But to me, Tallula is very much of like a wild child traveler. Like, I feel like she's-- - That's what the Scorpio is. - So maybe they're sadgen herter. - It has to be. Has to be. I feel like Tallula is like a very much a spirit of sadge. - Or at least mine is. - No, no, I think you're very right. Because that is sort of the essence of it. Every Tallula we've come across. - Yes. - Okay, can we talk about me? - Of course. - I, guys. - In fact, I get to talk on a whole podcast about myself is unbelievable. - On your podcast. - On my podcast. - On my podcast. - But like, you, now I have an excuse for it. Okay, you've all obviously, as I short circuit, have gone through my chart. - Yes. - Before I have questions for you about that, what sticks out to you? - I would say looking at your chart, you are really giving new soul energy. Do you feel that? - Like young? - Yeah. - I give young, I feel young. - New soul. - Okay, but you know how bad should I not be an old soul? - No. - Oh, I'm gonna be annoying, sorry. - Okay. - Old souls are too many people are throwing around old soul. And we're not giving enough space for the new souls. - Okay, wait, okay, so new soul. So what does that mean? - New soul, I would say that, and this is like, you know, this is, this is Aliza, Aliza is brew here, not like the classic astrology. Well, we'll get into the planets, but I would say that old souls have this very sort of, like, been here, done that. On a bad day, it's jaded, on a good day, it's wise. You have the energy of, like, let's fucking go. Let's try it. I have never done this before. So if I totally fuck up, then, you know, we'll have to just like pivot and start over. And there is this essence of, like, excitement and passion and, like, play that you have in your chart. And at the same time, as a new soul living in an old soul world, I feel like some of the challenges of your chart are feeling like you can't just do what you want to do without consequence. I feel like you feel like, you recognize that you have to still play in other people's worlds. You know what I mean? - A hundred percent. - But yeah, I mean, there's some really interesting stuff in terms of, like, you feeling judged by other people in your chart, but your insecurities around that, what we'll call them insecurities, but maybe pain points is a better term. - Okay. - Also being what your superpowers are. And why people love you. - We're going really straight in here. - No, by the way, I agree. - We're going very, very deep. - No Lou, just go for it. - Yeah, exactly. - Literally, yeah, that's what I want. - Well, like, while those things have been difficult for you in the past, they are also the reason that people appreciate you and value your authenticity and know that, like, what you see is what you get. - I hope so, because I really do believe that the person that people see on screen or on camera or whatever they're listening, like that is who I am off camera. - Yeah. - Like, I don't put on a mask. - I can attest to this. - Yes. (upbeat music) - Let's back up first, because we're getting into the most like esoteric stuff of your chart. - Okay. - But let's talk about, and also, so your listeners know who they are talking to here, who they're listening to. - Yeah. - A mercurial queen. - Is that what it is? - Yes. - Okay, so what does that break that down? - Gemini Sun, Virgo Rising. - Yes. - Aries Moon. - Yes. - Kuku. - Is that Kuku? -oku crazy, right? -oku crazy. -Okay. -Yes. -We love an Aries moon. -I feel the Aries moon more. -Can you tell me about what your Aries moon experience feels like? -I feel intense. I feel passionate. I feel quick to react. I feel impulsive. And I just want to fucking torpedo through shit. -Yeah. -And I don't want to deal with any fluff. And like, if I can pick up on what people feel and think very quickly. And so if they try to guard that or hide that, I immediately want to take that down. And I don't know how to handle people that do have a guard up. Because I'm like, but I know what you're thinking. So we should just cut through this. -Yeah, right, right. -And some people don't operate that way. Some people-- you know, so I've had to learn how to navigate that. Because I'm immediately like, I like you like me. Like, let's just get to it. -Yeah. -You know? -Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's maybe a bit of an impatience that I have to grow out of. -Or you won't grow out of it because you are a new soul, right? And like, those are some of the defining things of your chart that make you who you are. How do you identify if someone's a new soul? -Well, you know, it's-- there's not like-- this is not-- that's what I mean when I'm like, this is not a thing. Like, yeah, technical astrology. This is like my work, my interpretations of things. -Got it. -You know, and I would say that like, that's having for me. I would read that is having a lot of signs that skew to the first half of the zodiac. So Ares through Virgo. And then I would also say that there are signs that are in the early degrees of a sign. So things that are on, you know, before 15 degrees as opposed to things after 15. So that's like my technical formula when I am thinking of like, oh, is someone more old soul or a new soul. -Got it. -Yeah. -Got it. -But yeah, I mean, you with a Virgo Mercury-- or I'm sorry, with a Virgo rising-- -Yeah. -- of Gemini's son, both Mercury ruled, and then your Mercury is in Gemini exactly conjunct your mid-heaven. -What does that mean, girl? -What does conjunct mean? -Okay, conjunct means the same. -Oh, you got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. -Astrologer expert now. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. It's the same. -Thanks. Okay. -So you know that you are a Virgo rising, right? -Yes. So I'm Gemini's son, Virgo rising. Gemini mid-heaven and Gemini Mercury. -Yes. And we have a few more things. -Oh, okay. -Kyron in Gemini. -Kyron. -Do I have a Gemini Selium or I do not? -You do? -I do. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Okay, I thought I did not. Okay, I wasn't sure. -Yeah. I mean, you have a Gemini Selium. Selium is not like a, there's a few different ways to think of a Selium because we can do signs that are right, right next to each other in degree. -Right. -We can also do a house Selium, which is planets that occupy the same house. We could also do a sign Selium. You know, your son is at one degree of Gemini and then your Mercury is at 18. Your mid-heaven is at 18. -My God. -Your Kyron is at 20. So like those are the tightest, but throw the sun in there, too. You know, it's all in Gemini. So that's a Gemini Selium. -Okay. -At the top of your chart, which has to do with, 'cause you were born right afternoon, the top of your chart is where the sun was when you were born, right? -Okay. -So it is, or it's where someone's high noon is. And if you were to look up directly after coming to this world, whatever was up there would be at the top of your chart. -Got it. -And the top of your chart represents your legacy. -Okay. -What you are creating, -Okay. -How you are going to be remembered after you die. -Oh, my God. -It's like, I know. It's like literally your tombstone. So it's the top now, and it becomes your tombstone later. And that's how you know I'm a spooky girl. -I love it. I fucking love it. -And the top of your chart for you is all about communication. It is all about the way that you express yourself. -Okay. -And your Virgo Rising is also Mercury-ruled. So it's another avenue of communication. But the Virgo Rising is like, I want to be understood and I want to understand. And the way that you do that through your son in Gemini and your Mercury in Gemini and your Mid-Haven in Gemini is like, I know that in order for me to be understood and understand, I just got to start talking. -Okay. So I basically had no other option, but the career I'm in. -That's right. But an interesting thing, definitely to lean into is the Chiron there. -What the fuck is Chiron? -Chiron is a comet that represents your deepest wounds. -Great, guys, you ready for the deepest wounds chat? -Yeah, I mean, there's something with Chiron there. There's something around feeling like there's a pain point. And it's really interesting because, and this is one of the reasons that your chart is so fascinating to me is because, like, obviously, you're doing literally exactly what you're supposed to be doing in talking and being known and building a reputation for your communication. And helping inspire communication, like, broadly, at large. But with Chiron there, it's like, but at some point in this life, when you were young or in a past life, maybe, but we don't have very many past lives if you're a new soul. -And your soul, oh my god, I literally just arrived at it. -You just arrived at the breakout, I'm like, "Fuckin', what the fuck?" -Yeah, right out of the hospital. -I don't feel wise at all, okay. -And I'm quite wise. -You can still be wise, but your wisdom is going to be, is kind of from, your wisdom is from doing it now. It's not like a jaded history of like many lifetimes where it's like, "Oh, this old thing again," you know? There's this essence of still excitement and eagerness to try. -Oh, 100%. I feel that. -And does that lend itself to me having an area's moon? Because I feel that sort of constant, like, I'm very in your face, but then I'm also very not. -Yeah. -Quite reserved. Maybe that's the chiron. -Well, interesting. -Yeah. -When are you reserved? -I mean, like, if I have to get on the Zoom for wrangly and they're explaining things to me, I'm like, I have no idea what's going on. -Like, I have immense anxiety in that context. -Yes, or like, I have anxiety around like, not understanding things and not being able to vocalize things clearly. -Honey, that's it. -Yeah. -That's, that's literally-- -Yeah. -Where did that anxiety come from? -I think probably just, I was never good at school, and my brain, like, listening to people is extremely challenging, which is ironic that I'm doing a podcast. Because my mind is like, I'm waiting for you to stop talking to ask you a question, versus like, being able to, like, I mean, or maybe that's just ADD. -Yeah, I mean, it sounds like ADD. -Yeah. I try to make it so prolific and profound. -It just looks like a relatively ADD experience. -No, but is everyone like that? Because I literally want to crawl out of my skin. It's gotten worse. -I think that everyone is like it. Everyone who has ADD, which is pretty much everyone-- -I write. -Exactly. --will share that experience. I also think that when you, you know, when you're doing something and you know that there's, like, a product involved in it, that there's something that has to, like, be delivered, that changes the dynamic very much, I am the most confident, but not confident person on the planet. Is that my chart? -Yeah. I think that this is also the duality of having these planets in Gemini. -Why are they haunting me? -I need to be left alone. I need to trust-- -I have no ability to relax. -No, but that is what makes you also relatable. -Okay. -That is also your acknowledging the nuances and the duality of you being someone who is amazing at chatting and also someone who struggles in different ways in different contexts. I think is why people want to listen to you. -Okay. -They don't want your perfection. And for you with the Virgo Rising, it's like, if somebody fails on those systems, whether it's an accident, if it's a tiny thing, if it's a big thing, it's like, it's almost like feels like direct sabotage to your ability to do the things that you need to do. -100%. -Yeah, so you have chills. -Yeah, so of course you're going-- and maybe that's the chiron of it all. But I also want to say that it's interesting that you mentioned school being perhaps an anxiety piece. -Oh, I don't know what I did there for 13 years. Like, the fact that I can write words and read is crazy. Because I had absolutely no ability to follow through with anything. I mean, once in a while, if I put my mind to it, I succeeded. Math was a disaster. But like, the idea of like, we had homework due, I was like, that's not for me to do that. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -Which, I mean, I went to a school that just kind of like passed me along, but like, I probably should have not gone ahead. -No, that probably sounds like the right jerk. -Okay. -You're literate. -I know for sure. -But like, I also am like, my brain is so big and so active, but then like, the things that we all learn in school, I'm like, where did everyone learn that where was I? Was I doodling my name? Probably. -Probably, and you probably have an amazing doodall for your name. -I do. -Yeah. -So you have, and how I knew that you were going to be good at astrology is there's a few different, very astrology-forward signatures in your chart. -Oh, my goodness. -And one of them is this thing we're talking about, Kairon, and it being opposite Saturn. So Saturn represents like, maturity, responsibilities, men, -Oh. -Dads, father, concepts. And it's right at the base of your, I see your home and family. -Mm-hmm. -So like, your father who I has passed away, I'm sorry. -Yes. -No, thank you. -He was the home. He was like a rock in your home. -Right. -There was this sort of like, the world that you lived in was established and centered around your dad from what I see here. -I cannot keep crying about the dad bit. -Yeah. -Continue because everyone's like, we get your family died. You got back with your husband. Like, we fucking-- -We fucking-- - You know, bitch, we got it. You have kids that are the same age basically and your dad died, but continue 'cause you're right. - Yeah, I mean, and also it's an important part of maybe people want you to talk about it too. - I have talked about it so much. - Like I feel like people are like, I mean, I have gotten hundreds of messages being like, thank you for sharing your vulnerability. I didn't realize it was so vulnerable to share that a family member died. I mean, people go through that all the time. I'm definitely not the first. - No, but I think that our generation hasn't at large, like a lot of people are just starting to deal with-- - I was very young, I guess, yeah. - Yeah, to deal with aging parents and to deal with parent loss. - Yes, everything in my life was centered around him. And he was a rock in a sense of, he was a very anxious man too. But his sort of solidness, he was Scorpio Sun, Scorpio Sun, Libra Rising Cancer Moon. - Okay. - I mean, not to say I went to his chart, but-- - Oh, that's so sweet. - And my husband's a Libra, so they really liked each other. - Oh. - Yeah. - So something around your dad, the success of your father, the way that your father operated in the world, and this might not have any had anything to do with the way he treated you. But something may be implicit about you being a girl, you, maybe your mom. There was something about how he was able to achieve success that felt like you would never be able to do it that way. - Are you saying like he kind of achieved success in like an old school traditional way, and I was not gonna do that? - Yes. - Kind of in a sense? - Yes. - Yeah, I mean, he went to Berkeley, he had success came very, I mean, he played a classical instrument, basically professionally, he could draw. I mean, he was a very, very skilled person, an intelligent and also success came quite easy to him. - Yeah. Did your dad, parents, when you were growing up, did they think they were, they worried about you? - I think they always knew I was brilliant and wanted me to succeed. I think when there wasn't like a clear path, they were like, well, what are we gonna do? - Right. - What are we gonna do? - Oh, so keep in mind that like this world didn't really exist at that time. - Right. - You know? - Right. - So like you as a new soul, also are like you are here to be at the cutting edge and at the forefront of opportunities that I could imagine your parents when you were like doodling Morgan in class, we're like, what is going on? - What is going on? - What is going on? - What is going on? - Doctor gonna do. - And also when I went to college for three semesters and came home and was like that wasn't for me and then they were like, and then I was like writing on a blog, they were like, what is that? - Right. - Like how are you gonna support yourself? - Yeah. - So we, I think we unpacked the chiron bit of it all. - Yeah, yeah. - But I feel unpacked. - Yes, we're told, we laid it all out. - Yeah. - And to me, I feel like it's something around trusting the fact that you are doing things your way, that you can be vulnerable, that your success doesn't have to look like anyone else's success, that the way that you communicate, the way your style and your approach is going to be innovative and going to be sort of like a leader in the spaces that it's in, which means that you're not gonna have other people that are doing the same thing as you. - By the way, I really agree with that and believe that because I think like, yeah, everyone can have a podcast but nobody's gonna have a podcast like I have one. - That's true. - Nobody speaks the way I speak. - That's right. - And if they do, it's 'cause they're trying to and it gets weird. - Yes. Yes, and I do think that this is probably very much gonna be this sort of like jumping off pad, 'cause you ultimately need a talk show. - Okay, so let's talk about how, I don't know when we're airing this, but like YouTube is just doing great. Do you think people want to need to watch me versus just listen to me? - I think that people, yeah, they want all of you. - Okay, and in my chart, is there a specific, like right now, is this a specific time that like I should have launched this? - Yes. - Okay, so I'm actually gonna ask you, I was like, did you part with an astrologer who's just fucking astrologer? - No, no, no, no. Someone told me to push the date by two weeks. Right guys, remember? Yeah, yep, yep, yep. - An astrologer or a executive? - I just moved it out of Mercury and Retrograde. - Oh, smart. - But like in terms of like my overall chart, like does my life path make sense for like, obviously we went into COVID, I experienced a lot of loss, I had a lot of drama, like does that all line up within my chart? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Okay, so that was predestined basically. - Yeah, but going back to your show launching at this time, I was really curious if you had worked with an astrologer because there are all of these little touch points that are being activated in your chart, but since you didn't work with an astrologer, then we call that tank, which means there are no coincidences. - Holy shit. - Tank? - That's what I said. - That episode's called tank. - Yes. - T-A-N-C. - I don't want to go through different machines. - Tank, that's the name, thank you. - So there are no coincidences because so your moon in Aries is at five degrees. So it's very early on in the journey into Aries. - I'm sorry, is that birth five degrees? - Correct. - Okay, so I'm so new. I'm a baby girl. - I know, I'm just, I'm a baby. - You are just a newborn. Like you cannot be expected to do anything. - So young looking guys, right? - Okay, thank you. - Yeah, just, it's like, it's giving collagen. - It's giving, it's giving supple. - Yes. - And you, oh my god. Meanwhile, my pants are totally unbuttoned and my belt is hanging down 'cause my pants are so giant. - It's getting toddler. - It's giving toddler. By the way, it's giving toddler. - I also have these genes in two sizes and could have worn the bigger size, but I was so late. So, oh, let's get into how I'm always late. Okay, continue, sorry. - You know, I've been, I'm wondering, I was actually just about to on Instagram try to start doing some data collection of charts and whether people are early on time or late. 'Cause I would really like to find the correlations there. - Okay, yeah, it's always late. - I'm always late. - Yeah, chronically. So, you have a moon at five degrees of areas, right now, literally like, at this moment, Saturn is at five degrees of areas. So, this is the first time in 30 years that Saturn has been directly on your moon. Saturn is the planet of commitments and maturity. - Okay. - Your moon is your emotional in our world. - Okay. - So, with Saturn on your moon right now, it's establishing a new 30 year cycle around your, the way that you take care of yourself, fundamentally, the way that you support yourself. And it's in your, your moon is natally, in your birth chart, in your seventh house of partnerships. - Okay. - So, it has to do with contracts. It has to do with agreements and it has to do with who you are in relation and alignment with. So, you starting the show, at this time, also not to mention, Neptune just went into areas. Neptune is the entertainment industry. - Oh, is it? - Yes. - Okay. - Okay. - Wow. - So, like, a lot of new cycles that haven't been touched yet, hitting such an important personal placement. And then, your son is at one degree of Gemini. So, again, another little baby. - A baby. - A baby. - A baby, I'm not even chewing. This is big. - I can't even chew. - It's no solid yet. - Yeah, no solid. - Got it. - Mm-hmm. - And Uranus is about to move into Gemini. - For the first time. - Okay. - In 84 years. - I thought the second time, 'cause it wasn't it over the summer, 'cause I remember-- - We had a little brief moment. - I know that my brother dropped dead. - Is that gonna happen again? Is something bad gonna happen if Uranus is in Gemini? - No. - Tell everyone, no, I'm been panicked about it. Can you explain why? - Yeah. - Well, H is just, I kept seeing all these, like, fear, mongering, tick, talk, a strong idea. - Yeah, yeah. - Being like, Uranus in Gemini is terrible, terrible, terrible. And then my brother died on a random Thursday. And I was like, that's fucking annoying. And now it's coming back. So I'm like, well, what else is gonna happen? - Yeah. - You know what I mean? - Yeah. - So is there something in the charts? - Well, Uranus is the planet of shocking, unexpected things. - I know, which is so annoying. And stressing me as the fuck I understand. - I don't know if the nervous system for that. - I understand. - Shocking? Okay, so then what is that, like, my vagina on the internet shocking? - Ooh. - I don't know, like, what happened? - I don't know. From your lips to God's ears. - I don't want that to happen. I mean, five years ago, maybe, now, no. - I don't know. Is there something in the sky? Well, you know, for you, it has a lot to do. - Oh God. - So it's your son. It's your identity. - Uh-huh. - But I mean, like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, like, lead me here for a minute. Let me go here. Is the fact that, like, you know, your loss of your father and your brother are also important ways that people have gotten to know you and build relationship with you, right? - I do think it has added a layer to me that I think, unfortunately, under the worst circumstances, I think that before people could not penetrate me and I think going back to what you said, like, I consistently feel misunderstood. - Yes. - Because the voice in, which is so weird, the internal voice that speaks to me is very young. - I love. - Is, she's, like, seven years old. - Aww. - And she's, like, you fight your way up. Like, it's so funny that how I am moat and I'm so strong, so commanding, so in your face. But inside, she's, like, looking up, like, "Oh, what's happening?" And then I say things in passing, you know, either I'm having anxiety internally or I want to move on or I'm bored, I'm hungry, or I'm tired, like, and then people hold on to things I say and they push them out into the world even further. And I'm like, I'm so moved on from that point. I didn't even really mean it. - Okay, well, this is the classic Gemini. - I'm like, not to throw out some other, like, iconic Gemini. - Do it. - I say Trump and Kanye. - Oh, yeah. - Hey, everyone, let's include it. - Zalia Banks, you know, the thing is, but I don't give that kind of Gemini. - No, but those are all but Gemini's. - But also, they heard "June Gemini", I saw it. - But there's also, like, lots of, I mean, Prince is a Gemini. I think Prince is actually a very underrated Gemini because Prince also, I mean, he controversy, right? Like, that was a whole album, mint song, identity for Prince. - I love that song. I'm gonna listen to it in the car when I leave. - Yes, yes, Prince is an amazing Gemini. And so is Bob Dylan and so is Paul McCartney. Like, the list goes on and on. - By not me looking at Paul McCartney's chart and realizing that Linda, his wife, was also a Libra. So Libra and Gemini. - Oh, wow. - And John Lennon was a Libra. - I knew that too. - And Yoko was an Aquarius, so there was a lot of air. - Yes, yeah, and I think John's Venus was an Aquarius. This is what I do. I look up famous people's charts. - Yeah, me too. - All day every day, we should text about this at the time. - Okay. - It's all I wanna do all the time. - No, also, and by the way, I feel so calm around you. I don't feel a calm around a lot of people anymore. - Oh good. - I think that's internal. I think that's me just having massive anxiety that I don't know what to do with. - Yeah. - If I feel the slightest bit bad, I'm like, am I okay? It's like really, I'm getting tired of it. - Yeah, that sounds annoying. - Yeah, and then you have kids who are screaming their heads off. - Okay, that doesn't help anything. Holy shit. - Okay, how old are your kids? - Five and four. - So they're so into, like, hidey-shoes. - Two other, they're one year and one day. - Wow. - They're both Aquarius, I induced. - Wow. - But I love Pisces. I'm getting a lot of flat from the Pisces community. I said I like Pisces now. - Okay, that's a great transition back to the Gemini of it all. - Okay, tell me. - What I always say is that Gemini is just, like, literally throwing words out. - Yes. - And seeing where they land, and if it's not a hit, then it's like, okay, we tried, move on. But obviously, everyone takes what people say very seriously. - And literally. - And very literally. - Right. - Which is, like, Gemini is, like, crossed to bear, which is that, like, Gemini says something, and everyone's, like, I cannot believe this person. Like, how did they say that? And they're like, I don't even remember what I said. - Yeah. - Like, what are you talking about? - And it's not that I don't mean what I say, but I'm just, I'm emotionally moving on very quickly from that moment in time. - Right. - And also your moon in areas emotionally moves on very quickly. - Very. - So it's like, you can get very upset, and then you're really over it, and you're, like, why are we still talking about it? - I don't hold a grudge at all. - Yeah, beautiful. - Which I probably should, because I let a lot of energy come back in, even though I don't. But then also my Venus and Taurus, like, I also, like, if I am done, I am done. - Yeah. Venus and Taurus is, like, such an anchor in your chart. - Wait, Uranus. Uranus? - Uranus. - Uranus. - Okay, don't fuck it up. Thank you. Uranus. - So Uranus is moving into Gemini, and very soon after that, it's on your son. So, 'cause you have a son at one degree of Gemini. So when Uranus hits your son, it's another identity defining moment. No one is gonna die. It's not gonna be anything bad. - There's no one left. (laughing) - They simply can't. - They simply can't. - They simply couldn't. - There's, it's going to be another thing that really, really shapes how people perceive you. - Okay. - In a good way? - Of course. - Because now, you can now. - It's gonna push me forward. - Yes. Yeah, I mean, in a similar way that, like, loss made you more relatable. - I get it. - It did. - I really did. And I have to say, like, I have not connected with my audience, like, launching this podcast, doing the two weeks of press, like, the amount of, and even the podcasts I've done and the things that have been clipped, and I don't know what that means in the stars right now, like, there has been so much, like, buzz around me in over very few things. - Yeah, you're having these moments. - This is meant to be that I did this at this time. Because for a while, I was like, I don't know if I want to get back out there and disrupt sort of my harmony, my peace, my nervous system. I have small children. I don't really need to work in this capacity. I have a clothing line. I don't need to, like, be front-facing, but I feel this pull, it is my destiny to be in front of people. - And why do you think? - I just feel it. I feel, I mean, I just feel like I'm not somebody that's meant to be silenced or put away. - I would say. - Oh, okay. - That it's because you are supposed to encourage other people to talk. - Okay, you think so? - Yeah. - So am I supposed to, like, help people find their voice? - Yes. - I'm so selfless, selfless. - Selfless. - That's selfless in me. - Selfless. - Selfishless. - Yeah. - If you lean into that, then you're gonna be very successful. - Well, I do feel that in my personal relationships are people that have been passing me by in my life. Like, I always, people are very open with me. They tell me things that they wouldn't tell other people. Even people that don't necessarily like me at first glance, they open up to me very quickly. - Yeah. - And I want to get to the heart of people. - Yeah, I mean, and if you think about, like, why you have the audience and the community that you have around you, it's because people obviously like your style, they like your taste, they like your judgment, but they also like that you are real. - Yeah. - And that combination of being able to curate and create something beautiful, but also be very authentic and raw and, like, relatable in your own journey with it. Yeah, in your struggles, in your observations, in your, like, very hilarious perspective. Like, that's the u-ness of it, right? So people are looking at you and being like, "I, you're aspirational, but you also are relatable." And the relatable piece is defined by your loss, it is. And it's also defined by you doing things in a way that is different than other people. Like, the more that you try to do things, you know, you look at what other people are doing and you're comparing yourself to them, the stupider it gets. Like, truly, it just like, it becomes like, an energy suck waste of time. The more that you put the blinders on, stay in your own fucking lane. - I've been thinking that so much lately. - Yes. - And literally, like, turn it off, mute people. Like, I'm so serious. - Oh, my fucking God, both nipples are hard. Can I tell you? I have literally been thinking, repeating to myself, this is not the time to go down the rabbit hole. I have muted so many people that energetically move in a really fucking weird way. With me, they're very inconsistent. They come around when they want something. They leave when they, when I feel too big to other people, they go away. - Yeah. - And I have muted people because I'm like, I need to just go down the path. - Yes, and those are the people who in earlier iterations of yourself, you would have taken cues from to be like, "Oh, I must be doing something wrong." Or, "I'm ostracizing people." Or, "I'm like, why are these people not supporting me?" Like, something is weird about it. But now, you have the ability to be like, I recognize where the traps are of falling into wanting their approval, of wanting to be able to continue to get that validation, to be invited to the things, to whatever it is. - Oh my God, getting the approval from other people has, I think, also affected my career success. 'Cause I have, I have molded myself around not being too big. And now, I'm like, I'm not in that phase anymore. - Yeah. - I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. - Which I do think, at least for me, having a kid really helped clarify what I actually cared about. - Yeah. - And helped me realize that time is very finite here. - I agree with that. - It's not stalling, and it's not going backwards. It's just moving faster and faster. So it's like, you don't have the time to fuck around and look to other people and compare yourself. - No, 100%. - Like, it's simply a waste. - Is there something else in my chart that you're like, I have to talk to you about before I ask you a million questions? The other thing that makes you a wonderful astrologer is that I think that Virgo Reisings are the most spiritual sign. - I'm very spiritual. - Yeah. - I think about, like, if I think about somebody, they text me. If I think about somebody, they're in my dream. Like, if I pick up on people's energy, I hate, I know that's so woo and so bullshit. Everyone's like, I'm so empathetic. Like, that's the new thing. But I really spiritually, like, I feel everything happens. - Wait, hold on, we have to set the record straight around this. I'm so empathetic, hate that people are doing. - Okay. - I think that it is the patriarchy yet again. - Oh, God. - I do, because like, what is, like, I understand that it might be like silly for everyone to be like, I'm an empath, I'm an empath. But also, like, let people be an empath. - But you think everyone's an empath? I think that what's happening is it's getting overly used. - I think that there's a lot of empaths who are actually narcissists. - I was just gonna say, this is like the new narcissist. Like, everyone all of a sudden, the last two years is like, well, that's a narcissist, that's a narcissist, but then nobody knows what a narcissist actually is. - Yeah, I mean, I think that if you assume that you can feel everyone's feelings, then you might actually be, in fact, a narcissist and not an empath. - Got it. - But I do think that people, you know, I feel like, men, broadly, don't understand how to talk about feelings. And when some-- - No, my husband, he can talk about him all day. - Great, perfect. Thank God he's your husband. - Yeah. - Same with my love my husband. Actually, that's not true. (laughing) He can talk about astrology, but he can't talk about feelings. - Yep. - But I feel like men get very intimidated by feelings being in the zeitgeist in general. - Okay. - Feelings being talked about. And then through, like, all of these little cracks, it comes back to the women who then are, like, shamed and judged for being, like, I have feelings, I have intuition, I have empathy. Like, it's, you know, I just think that we have to, but I do think a lot of people who think their empaths are narcissists, so I think that also is, like, that exists in tandem too. - Yep. - You're Virgo rising super, super spiritual, super sensitive because it makes Pisces, you're descendant, and you're descendant is your opposite of your ascendant, your opposite of your rising sign. And it's sort of like the other half to your own self-actualization journey. It's like, if you are one part of a locket. - So is that, is that Virgo and Pisces? - Virgo Pisces. - Okay, so I actually love Pisces. - You love Pisces. And Pisces and the energy and the essence of Pisces is very important for you. - Wow. - Yes. - Because-- - So should I have not induced with my kids birthdays? - No, no, no, no, no. - You need a full-air family. - Okay, that's good. - Good. - That's perfect. - Good. - What does it mean about my Venus being in Taurus? - Yeah, so you love your Venus in Taurus. - I think it means that I like nice things, but can you expand on it? - It does, okay. - I mean, Venus in Taurus is a beautiful placement. - Is it? - Yeah, it's beautiful. I mean, Venus is, I always say that it's, you know, Venus is the Marie Antoinette of our chart. - Oh. - Three revolution. by the way. I talk dirty to me, I can't even handle it. - Yeah, and that's also, you are the essence of a pre-revolution with a head of that head, Marie Antoinette. - Okay. - And it's like, it's giving little pastries. It's giving, it's giving Sophia Coppola. - It's giving Sophia Coppola. - The fact that the use has not seen Marie Antoinette. - I can't. That's what you want to see here. - That's what's wrong with Gen Z. - Oh my God, little pastries. So I'm giving pink little pastries, and I'm giving pretty fun, expensive things. - Yes. - Yes. And the ability to have what you want to be taken care of, to be fanned with palms, is not a nice to have. It is a need. Period. - Also my chart's gorge. - It's gorge. - It's not like a lot of scribbles. It feels very even in the middle. - Yeah. - Like some are like weird. - Some are weird. - Flaccid, mine's like strong. - Yeah. - You see that nice line going up to down? - Oh my God, yeah, what does that mean? - That's what we were talking about with the. - The up in the sky. - The up in the sky, down in the earth, the security of how other people have done success and what you're doing at. That's that whole. - Wow. - Vertical. - Okay. - So your Venus in Taurus in the eighth house is very witchy. Are you good at manifesting? - Oh my God, everything I've ever wanted. If I say something once, like this will be a show. - Yeah. - This will be a show. - Yes. - So mode of being. - It will. - Yes. - Okay. - Yes. - So I'm good at that. So it's that, like I'm very witchy. - Yes, but I, you know, one thing to keep in mind, and this has to do with your success being tied to other people. - Okay. What is going on? Am I trapped? - I would say that your Venus in Taurus, it's important to think about the sacrifice and the cost of certain things that you have. Like, and it's not that this isn't something to fix. - This is something, actually. - Oh, I guess it's also, yeah, I guess it also goes into my relationship as well. - Yes, these are the contracts of your life. And recognizing that like your life is tied to your relationships and your ability to deliver on those relationships. That's okay. That's okay. No one is a free agent. Everyone has it. - Holy fuck. - I'm also an Atheistelium. So like you're, I'm, this is. - You're bound. - I'm bound. I'm bound, bound, bound. That really just hit me quite deep. - Yeah. - That's like, because I'm so, I think to my public, I'm very strong, independent, front facing. I kind of beat to, I'm, you know, I go to the beat of my own drum. And so the fact that there's these like strings behind me is a little like scary. - Yeah, I mean, I would say that the one thing to be mindful of is just, you know, people want to make money off of you. - Yes, they do. - Uh-huh. - And. - And is it not always fair? Does it always feel fair? - I wouldn't say unfairness, but it's, it's, everybody that I'm in contract with brings something as well. - Yes. - Exactly. - But I want my something to be the bigger something. For example, like, okay, let's talk about my relationship. I am in a relationship with somebody who's extremely giving but is also extremely respectful and wonderful. So that's a contract that I don't feel bound by. Does that make sense? - You feel like I married some rich guy who's a fucking asshole to me. And I'm dealing with it because of the things that I get from that relationship. - Right. - I got very blessed in that way. - Yes. - But then there's other contracts where I feel like I'm always sort of just this internal like frustration of like, "Oh, okay, there's this person and there's this." And then I have to do this. Or, you know, or things start to become uneven as stuff grow. It's just, yeah. - Yes. - Yes. - I'm gonna say it correctly, but it's a feeling. - No, I understand. - I have also never thought about this. - Yes. And it's, you know, and even your journey into the public eye was by way of an illusion of, I mean, illusion. - No, no, no, no, just say what you're gonna say. - Well, I'm sort of saying illusion because it was entertainment industry and everything entertainment industry is illusion. - But I think there was multi-layered in terms of illusions. - It's multi-layered in terms of illusions. It's like, you know, to be labeled as rich kid of Beverly Hills, right? Is already your bound to the terms and the consequences of that. And also a lifestyle that you inherited. - Right. - That then you profit from. - Right, right. And also that's, I don't wanna say stigma, but that title, I cannot break that title. That is always, no matter what, the adjective rich is always around. - How do you feel about that? - Frustrated. - And I also, but at the same time, you like, pastry is made of Birkenbust. - 100%. So it is one of those things where it's like, it goes hand in hand, but like, I, at the time of the show, like again, I've said this is a thousand times. We did not go into a show that was called that. We were just, I grew up in the city, you know, like my parents did well. They were not billionaires by any means. I had a very cushy life, but not crazy. It wasn't like I was inheriting a hundred million dollars. It's not, people think that I have never had a job. I have never paid my own rent. I have never been my own person for myself. And like, it's still constantly something I'm labeled as, but then that also doesn't help that I have like, really top tiered taste in one. And one, all those things. So everything is a dichotomy in my life a bit. - It's a Gemini story. - But also it's an interest, it really is a fascinating one because it also does speak to your manifestation powers. Because if you do want to live a life of luxury, and you assign yourself that title, you know, it was assigned to you. You signed up for a project. You didn't, you know, that later ended up being titled that. - But it was still a project around. - And it was something they saw in us, obviously. - Right, right, right, right. - Me less than others, but yes. - Sure. - You were an important part of the sort of like cast. - Correct. - So with that, it also then allows you to create that life for yourself, but here's where you're smart. - Okay. - And other people would be dumb, or dumb, or idiots. - Yeah, it is. - Is that someone else in that position could end up like totally fumbling? - Right. - And becoming like bankrupt and fucked, you know what I mean? By feeling like you need to put on errors for something that wasn't, that you didn't actually have those resources coming in. - Correct. - But where you are smart is you figured out how to take your circumstances and even your public reputation and then build on it to build and work for it. - I don't think people recognize the amount of work at, I mean, it's not like I'm the hardest working person in the world, but I work quite hard. But then I'm also in my phase right now where like, I don't actually care that much. - About what? - About people like thinking that I don't do anything, or I've never worked for anything, or that I'm not meant to be able to do what I want to do. - Totally. - I'm really growing out of that phase. - Yes, because you also know what's going on behind the scenes and you know what you're building and you're moving towards something. - Uh-huh. - Right, do you know what you're moving towards? - What am I moving towards? - A talk show. - Right? - Yeah. - Okay, is that a chart thing? - Yes. - But a talk show meaning like this on television? - I don't know. - I mean, not the blue wall. Which is amazing. - I hate this fucking wall. - Well, it's giving classic, it's giving classic. - Is it? - Yeah, it's giving how it's turned. - Okay, that's okay, fine, that's a good comparison. But wait, so am I giving a talk show because like this is gonna turn into a talk show? - I wanted to, do you? - Yes, but in the stars, is it in the stars? - Yes, okay. - Yes, I don't say anything that's not. - Okay, so wait, what's the timeframe in the stars? Like two years? - Well, I think that is. - You're right, it could really be soon. - What? - Guys, are you ready to move set, bitch? - Yeah, it could really be soon. - So you think Uranus might be like, oh, we just did see. - I do, but I think that there's gonna be something with Uranus and Gemini that really happens, that needs to happen. And like, it's an important new defining perception, like self-perception and how, of how people see you. Something else, like, this is it, honey, something else needs to happen for this to go there. - Right. - Like, what? Like, lose a finger? Like, what do you think it's gonna be? 'Cause I don't have much else to give. - It would either be something that gets, something that you think is gonna happen, that goes off the table, and then something else new comes in, or it's going to be something that you're working on, but there needs to be some sort of a big pivot in the way that it's being approached. I mean, I would say like this, if we need a set here, if we need, like, to create Morgan's set, Versailles? Versa, oh, oh, yeah. - Yeah. - You should, I mean, yes. - Yeah, but I also, like, I don't mind you being in a Howard Stern world. - I don't mind, you know what? I will say all joking aside, which is going back to like, saying things that I don't mean, or like, things that are fleeting. I need the content to be amazing and have people be engaged. I don't give a shit about what the set looks like, or what the chair looks like. I just give a shit about what I look like, 'cause I, have you seen the first few clips? I look like I cannot make rent. Like, what was happening? I don't look like that in person. Tell the people I don't look like that in person. I was giving dimples and weirdness, and I am collagen, I'm a baby. - Yeah, she's a baby. - I'm a baby. - Yeah. - She's not even a day over 17. - I thank you. - But I think that where we are trying to get you is to a space where people feel inspired by you encouraging them to find their voice and truth. That I think is your highest calling. - Wow. - Yeah. And I think that your clothing line is really important for the lifestyle of it all. - Huh, and I really love doing it. Should I not love doing it? - You should, what do you love about it? - I love the creativity. I love being involved. I love making decisions. I love creating things that come to life that are in my brain. - Yeah, I love styling people. I love that people are wearing things that I make. I mean, that is also something that I am fully involved in. That's not like nobody's licensing my name and sending me sketches and being like we're gonna make this this season I am literally that is the bulk of my day every day. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Do you feel like that's what you are meant to be doing or? I think it's a part of what I'm meant to be doing I think talking and being front facing and even this even this podcast launching in the last few weeks on top of having my brand Has really made me when did you run launch October 2023? Okay No September 2023. She's a Virgo. Okay. Cute. Cute, right? Yeah. And it's done very well But I do feel like I've been very sort of behind the scenes with doing that and then having this and reminding everyone like Oh, no, I'm actually like a famous person has also made me feel quite whole again I mean, it's gonna make your brand more successful a hundred percent I mean even in the last two weeks of having this press out there like sales have just been more consistent We have very big launch days and then people still buy but the consistency of people buying has been way more Yeah, so it's very important. I mean it but it's all part of the lifestyle right? Yeah, it's the aspirational, but it's also relatable Yeah, and it's also like you doing saying and doing and living your truth encourages and inspires other people. I swear to you when you post this you're gonna get so many comments being like yes Girl that is why I love you. I love you because I want to be you But I also feel like I am you you know like I get you and I get your struggles And I get you're honesty and the more that you give that and then you also encourage people to find that for themselves Like you are very good at being so Disarming mm-hmm that you can have someone on your show who is a very tough nut to crack It's unbelievable to me genuinely that you can see all of this all of what you just said like you basically have nailed me Completely based on just placements of planets. Well, astrology is amazing. Astrology is really fucking cool It really really is would you have married your your husband if he wasn't a compatible side to you? I wouldn't have married my husband if he didn't think astrology was cool and we also are very compatible So it's tank Fucking tank. I'm so into tank. Yeah, I feel like that should be the end But I want to say one more thing. What is his venison? Pisces and yours is Pisces your moon is in Pisces. Yeah, that's very compatible too. Yeah Okay, so listen to this. Okay, he's moon and Virgo. I'm moon and Pisces opposites He's mercury in Pisces. I'm mercury and Virgo opposites, but speaking to the same his Venus is in Pisces my moon is in Pisces His Mars is in Gemini my Venus is in Libra. So we're both air there. By the way Gemini Libra my husband is so compatible Who wait what's your husband's Venus Scorpio? Oh, is that good? It's so sweet and he's Gemini you're your Venus and he's Gemini moon and I'm Gemini Sun. Oh my god It's sad rising. I love I'm Virgo rising. I love I love but he feels he feels very Intense deep feeling and I'm very like light keep it airy. Let's keep it moving But he wants to talk about emotions, and I'm kind of like do we need to I mean to have a husband who talked about emotions I know but when they do it all the time we're like okay He doesn't do it all the time but like he definitely he feels his feelings He is the Yin and you are the Yang completely. So that is it's it doesn't matter like who's playing that role as long as there's a balance Oh my god, so many other things to ask you, but okay, wait let's talk about you. So first of all, let's talk about you have a podcast coming out I do okay. It's called astrology are you a Lisa Kelly. I'm alone as always my my my cross to bear in life I'm alone for now. However on Mondays. I have horoscopes, which is called your weekly brew. Okay, fucking on Wednesdays We have a tea party. Oh, which is when we tea on pop culture on deep dives into charts and then also we're gonna have gas and The gas are going to join me for a tea party. Okay, so then when Uranus when my Uranus moves and I can be a guest Can you? Can you be a guest on my show? I would love to it's gonna be really wild I think you talk for hours. It's gonna be like chicken shop date meets hot ones meets royal court except it's astrology We no one better copy me out there in the world until I get this out. No, I fucking look by the way they can't copy me by the way Chicken shop. She's an Aquarius. I just learned that she's such an Aquarius. Yeah, okay. I'm obsessed with you Thank you so much again. Thank you my dear The Morgan Stewart show is produced by Sirius XM and me Morgan Stewart our audio engineer is Brendan Burns Our videographer is Kim Cohen and our video editor is Shannon Joy Rogers our executive produces our Cody Fisher and Adam Sacks