Sydney Sweeney’s rage-bait sports betting ad, the AI video of Holly Rowe, Zverev’s US Open win, and Aaron Rodgers made it a horrible week for women in sports

testing testing testing testing can you hear the jackhammer outside my house i'm looking directly at the camera so we'll be back in five to find out god sends his his toughest battles to his strongest soldiers okay let's see how that sounded hi charlotte hello madeline we're back with another episode of the sports gossip show presented by us yay yay yay yay yay yay oh nice nice nice nice new song every time baby um well i moved because there's a jackhammer outside of uh the my house in the room that i was in and i just want to say thank you so much for joining us today we're going to be talking about the jackhammer outside of my house in the room that i was in and i just want to say thank you so much for joining us today we're going to be talking about the jackhammer outside of my house madeline great for everybody who can buy a brownstone but if you could stop ripping up the street and making noise on every single house on my block it's like can we just relax everybody enough enough enough with the jack 14 million dollars to stop your jackhammering does it really need to be renovated again didn't you already buy it renovated do we need to re-renovate a renovation right now thank you thank you anyway you are not in new york no i'm not in new york if our shareholders follow me on instagram you may know what country i'm in but you might not but i am in spain for a reason you'll find out at some point an undisclosed location for an undisclosed reason yes that's correct yes wouldn't it be funny if you were just like doing spy stuff i mean charlotte you know how much i love the cia and spy movies and in general i don't know if you like love the cia no no no that's gonna be the quote from this episode it's gonna be like madeline hill loves the cia like loves donald trump's cia no no no no i just love spy movies i will watch any spy espionage show i will read any article about any anything related to that subject really anywhere in the world i'll read it and watch it it would be a pretty good cover to have someone in the sports podcast be i'm just saying cia if you're listening which they might be what they probably are the nsa definitely is you know you know you can request your file from the fbi did you know about this no i think i learned about this on tiktok so and i'm pretty sure it's real you can request your it takes like i think months to get it back and it can be literally not like they'll just be nothing but there's ever like an inquiry i think into i'm pretty sure i could be wrong this could be made up but hmm you but i don't think you can get your own cia file unfortunately no no don't understand the logistics of that but whatever you definitely can't but i'm sure there is one the fbi to me kind of reminds me of like of like between them and the cia if they were a store they'd be like home depot or something just kind of like just like grittier you do you notice it like oh we're gonna utilitarian utilitarian yes yes where's the cia i don't know what if you have a good thought of what the cia would be i'd say i mean the cia used to well i think they like to think they're like barney's r.i.p but i think they're more like um starbucks they are like starbucks they are starbucks they are starbucks it's like elements elements are elements are fine and then they do really messed up things yes like you can get a lot of things right yeah right yeah right um oh boy wow well we have a very jam-packed episode today yeah we did everything today we we'll just tell you our thesis right up front ladies it's not looking good for us it's not looking good it's not looking good for women in stem sports media entertainment talent sport what did i call it what did i say on there i think that's i think it was sports media entertainment talent i think i said sports technology entertainment entertainment media oh right because mine would be smet well i like that better women in smet oh boy oh boy what did you call it sports talent entertainment media oh no did i say sports technology entertainment media or sports talent entertainment talent i think talent i gotta work on my own acronym well i gotta work on getting letters straight so well you know what let's start off with something that's not um bad i guess uh taylor swift was at the chiefs game madeline our first sighting she was last night they played the broncos the chiefs beat the broncos the broncos didn't look so good uh and i think it's the offensive coordinator's fault but we don't need to get into that on this show no um but taylor taylor was there do you know who's sitting who's which not on my bingo card kind of the same energetically as taylor swift in a lot of ways if you think about it yeah but think taylor's supposed to not a scientologist no i get that okay yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm not talking about the scientology but just sort of like they're each they are their own industry like tom cruise is entertainment he is the movies taylor swift is music she is pop stars do you know what i mean like they are the ultimate their own stunts yes yes they are the ultimate company men and women like taylor swift put on a three and a half hour show because she wanted to prove a point i think to be like look it up my catalog and i'm gonna do it because i want to which i loved but yeah you know and i feel like tom cruise is like i'm doing my own stunts because i love the movies and i love being an actor and i love cinema and i need to prove to you that i'm not terrified of my own mortality even though that's exactly what's going on right which okay so yeah my question about it is do you think that they are working on a project together or do you think the only reason he was there was to promote that new movie digger that he is starring in and also connected to the gq profile he's on the cover of gq that just came out i have not read it yet um that it was this is just promo and he just happened to be in the suite with taylor swift that's interesting i feel like yeah i only saw a clip from that interview which tom cruise is doing word salad better than i've ever seen word salad done it's like actually impressive um i think you're probably i think probably it has to do with that with digger that knew in yari to movie not to brag i know who directed it um but i think also there's a chance of maybe she's like doing a song for the next mission impossible maybe okay interesting like did adele do did adele do the no time to die one the that was who did oh that was that was well billy eilish did the um james bond movie song right right right that's right and so did in my head it's it's well that's it spies yeah so all of this circles back to the cia goes all the way to the top all the way to the top can i tell you something my one i have only watched the first mission impossible what um yeah i don't know i just sort of missed him and i think my main takeaway is that the Well, sure. But I would I would say the missions as they advance get less possible. And does he not do them? No, he doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. But I do feel like if you think about it, the Mission Impossible movies are kind of a sports movie. Yes. He he is out there doing a triple double Tom Cruise. He's out there winning a game winning shot and he's doing his own stunts in the process. This is this is a franchise about fitness, overcoming adversity, teamwork, sports franchise. Wait, do you know what Mission Impossible, the Mission Impossible franchise is? What? It's the X Games. So it is sports. So it's sports. It's just it's just Tom Cruise is the only competitor in the X Games. Tom Cruise goes off ramps on motorcycles. Like, are you kidding me? Wait, it's literally. The X Games. OK, we solved that one. Oh, good. Well, that's how we figured that out. Yeah. But there was also someone else in that suite that was again, it wasn't on my bingo card. I I'm not surprised this other person was there that I'm going to have you tee up and say, but it was surprising that he was there along with Tom Cruise. And who was that? Which comedian was there? That's Taylor Swift's friend. It was Gerard Carmichael, who was a gifted comedian. We went to see him workshop some material at the Bell House. Oh, did we think Taylor Swift was going to be there? Yeah. Was she? Perhaps. No, she wasn't. And it was just funny because it went from first she was seen with Tom Cruise. Then Travis Kelsey had a good catch and run. He did great. The Chiefs won. I already said that. And it went to Taylor and she was freaking out with Jason Kelsey, Travis's brother, who is a commentator for ESPN now and her mom. And then they cut to her again and it was Gerard Carmichael. And I was just like, I, you know, would love to know what everybody's talking about. I know in this week, I have to know what those conversations were like to be a fly on the wall. Oh, to be a fly on any wall on any surface for that matter, for that matter. a bug like the cia uses this is an episode about the cia actually um so also it was pretty funny because during the during the uh broadcast joe buck and troy acheman are the commentators for espn monday night football and joe buck went to the wedding and the broadcast showed a picture of him and his wife who does michelle um beisner buck who does um features for it for monday night football it showed the two of them going to the wedding and troy acheman was making fun of joe he was like a little james bond and joe was like i can't talk about it he was like i literally can't why are you showing that i can't talk about he's like everybody no matter how powerful you are you are so scared to be asked about going to taylor's wedding people are terrified those ndas are under lock and key those ndas are like we'll take your first yeah take your kid do you think the nda for that wedding is stricter than it's not but i'm just going to say this anyway stricter than the confidentiality agreement you have to sign if you join the cia you know well i think they had the people who write the cia one write the taylor swift problem i mean i mean i'm sure people i mean i would guarantee you that people who are on her security team are ex agents like yeah there's no way they're not it's sort of like an athlete becomes a commentator yes a cia a former spy or security national security person becomes the taylor swift liaison yes we're just solving the world's problems we really are well can i tell you something but before we get into the stuff that sucks yes um can i tell you something that brought me joy last night that felt like it's not sports but is sports i would love for you to say what you're about to say widow's bay won a lot of emmys heck yeah it did widow's bay won a lot of emmys heck yeah it did widow's bay won a lot of emmys heck yeah it did widow's bay won a lot of emmys heck yeah it did my favorite television show i again and i also just have an admission because you know i know that people talk about having sort of parasocial relationships with people who do podcasts and so i understand and i and i get it because i feel that way about some people and you know i'm sure someone listening to this feels like they know us we want to tell you we know you too don't worry it's not weird i have to tell you i the the most parasocial relationship in my life is with matthew reese the actor i feel like we're friends you you you have sent me a few matthew reese clips you if it came out that you were running a matthew reese stan account on instagram i would be like well yeah of course but you'd also be like you'd also be like how did she figure out the technology well right that that also would be would be uh true can i admit something though today that happened at the airport i thought of you and i haven't told you this but i thought of you and i haven't told you this but i haven't told you this yet um when i got off the plane i had to go get my bag a baggage claim and i went to baggage claim obviously and i went to look at the sign with all the bag the flights and which baggage claim carousel the flight was couldn't find our flight couldn't find it just it was i just couldn't find it so then i was like well surely this is the wrong list i don't there's another list so they start going to look for another sign doesn't exist go back to the other one and then someone who i was traveling with was like oh this is the wrong list i don't there's another list so they start going to look for another sign doesn't exist go back to the other one and then someone who i was traveling with was like oh oh we're carousel 12. and i was like well right it was right in front of my eyes so i felt like you traveling because usually i immediately can like find the flight immediately just like locked in but this time couldn't do it couldn't do it you know we call that what polona charlotte oh polona charlotte i accidentally but never mind i'm not even gonna say what i did this week i i accidentally spent a huge amount of money by just pressing a button on the shop app charlotte texted me i won't say what it is there's charlotte was like i didn't mean to buy it but it's coming and i can't wait to see it it should be here i have to return it no no you got to keep it okay well keep it all right you got to keep it all right well anyway anyways so before so a good another good thing actually i lied we have one good thing before we get to the bad things um that team usa uh women's u.s basketball uh beat france 97-79 to take home the gold and i just have a crazy stat that i have to read you madeline what u.s women's basketball has not lost a game in major international play since 2006 and has only ever lost one gold medal game in 1983. what and they were down 14 at one point in the game and they were down 14 at one point to france and it was like oh no is this it is this the streak no no they had it what they had oh my god clark and angel reese who everyone was like oh they hate each other they played great together um it was just it was just a really great display of u.s basketball once again of usa basketball excellence excellence um wow i did not know that i'm i'm not surprised um it'll be interesting to see if that stat holds as the years go by stat holds as the years go on and these other teams maybe become more competitive perhaps um in the same way i feel like during the olympics with the men's team it was like touch and go there because they're like these teams are competitive these internet like people are like oh america it's like everyone has their blinders on it's like babe watch out other countries have really good basketball teams so yeah i'm curious if for the women's team if that also tr like happens if they have their moment where where the u.s loses and then all the stars have to say okay fine we'll come back you know the one thing i will say is that women i feel like tend to be better at like doing the assignment where like men will be like oh whoops we just didn't do it and then they lose i feel like i feel like u.s women's basketball is like a little more buttoned up like they did the group project they did the group they're crisp they're like we're not gonna let we're but also so are the other teams so the other team so but it was a great win um and some of the tick tocks they made there was a behind the scenes of angel reese directing the tick tock that they made after the game and it's just it just goes to show you the the talent that they have extends beyond the court yeah and the power of friendship and having good vibes off the court translates on the court one thousand percent say on this show as we have been known to say talking points it's like our version of lady gaga's there could be a hundred people in a room what is that no the when lady gaga she has like this pr talking about where she was saying she would during the stars born press tour you don't know about this well i don't know she it's the i can't remember the exact quote but it's basically like there can be a hundred people in a room but if one of them says yes like you know basically never give up believe in yourself sure sure sure and she used that quote a bunch during the press tour and i'm like do you guys not know what pr talking points are like that's you gotta hammer the point home for a long time before people start paying attention you can say it over and over and over again different versions of it you know oh yeah it's all about pr anyways you should go look that up um well speaking of um men making poor choices let's talk about the u.s open men's and women's finals because the u.s open concluded over the weekend sure did i'm sad i get so every time there's a major sporting event and i get into it takes me a few days to like not be sad that it's over but you know here we are don't cry because it's over what is it another smile smile because it happened don't cry over spilled milk drink hot don't cry over spilled milk smile because you had it because you had milk you know what can i say something about milk um i have been or charlotte knows this but i i took spanish growing up and so i've been practicing my spanish since i've been here so i've been ordering milk on the side with my coffee just like a side of milk and every time it's come warm and steamed i know wow and i was like wait i need to do this at home make some hot americanos and then do a little steamed milk and pour it on top hot americanos aren't they isn't an americano a cold what no isn't it an americano just an iced espresso with water in it yeah so a hot americano is espresso with hot water in it oh right funny how that were interesting interesting interesting interesting didn't know you could get that you can get it yeah you can order it well because you know at a lot of um like places in europe they don't drip coffee they don't have to come by yeah so you gotta get a hot americano if you want the sensation of a drip so i've been having a lot of warm steamed milk and i'm like wait i think i i need this so i've been ordering that and you should see if you can do it here you should order you should order hot steamed milk in spanish here and see how it goes i'm not gonna do that okay how do you say milk unless it's at a mexican like somewhere that you know a mexican restaurant or something yeah yeah yeah whatever you say how do you say milk in spanish sorry this is this is a special this is an episode sponsored by duolingo sponsored by the cia and duolingo they're always watching um anyways duolingo we're always watching well that little owl kind of is for sure he's locked in like this he's like did you do your did you did you do your little drills today um okay okay so the u.s open uh let's start with elena rabakina she beat arena savalenka became the world number one um she was the first woman in the open era madeline to win every match in three sets so she was a gritty performance you could say um and i think you know she did amazing job she competes for kazakhstan she is the foremost kazakh tennis player ever um and her story is pretty interesting i feel like a lot of people know it by now so we won't take too much time but she was uh she's from russia and the russian tennis federation when she was a teenager basically gave up on her and was like we there's so many people in russia we can only put so much money into so many of them like you didn't make the cut and a billionaire in kazakhstan through the um kazakh you know tennis federation was like come here we'll pay for it her parents couldn't afford it and she and it paid off for them um and it's kind of a i mean you know it goes to show that even if someone counts you out or if a full country's tennis federation counts you out don't let yourself be counted out you know what i'm saying even if you get knocked down you got to get back up chumbawumba was right um yes and i i feel like i don't know if everyone knows can you share what happened with her coach yeah so this is the part that's a bummer i think and you know it's a it was again we're going to condense this very much um uh the athletic our former our former home actually has some great reporting on this um but basically she has a coach named stefano vukov who is maybe 13 years older than she is she's 27 maybe 12 years older um and he was her coach since 2019 or 2020 she really sort of skyrocketed into the top 30 with him um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach um and i think she's a really good coach her team told wta officials that they were scared for um elena because after she fired him vukov was like walking through the lobby of her hotel and was sending her so many messages and calls to get him to take her back and and and being just like pretty um obsessive that her team was worried about her safety and there was a three-page letter that summarized the investigation that the wta did um where it reported that vukov had called rabakina stupid and the r word um that he had told her she would quote still be picking potatoes in russia without him oh my god um and they concluded that he had quote cultivated a relationship of dependence um in which she believed she couldn't be successful without him there have also been rumors which are not substantiated so i don't i i don't know that they perhaps were romantically involved um but his his suspension was lifted in uh 2025 and rabakina hired him back and posted a whole thing on instagram about how like they're they have respectful communication and everything's great um and it's hard to see this and think that everything is okay because a she's so much younger she clearly wants to win so badly you can just see how there's an opportunity for someone for a coach to treat a player badly and get away with it and get her to take him back um well i mean what i don't understand i mean first of all that's horrible and horrific to hear that um this happened to her is why was he hired back because that means that there were clearly other people on her team that were maybe they pushed back and they had no choice because she's ultimately the one probably who gets obviously to decide who her coach is um or they didn't push back and were encouraging her to rehire him i mean we have no idea and that's always what i think about it's like what's going on behind the scenes that led to them rehiring him because it's so the investigate based on what you said so he he was suspended in fall of 2024 and then rehired right before the cincinnati opened 2025 so he's been her coach again now for like a little over a year or so um and was there anything did you find anything that like there's been additional reports of this alleged abuse or abusive behavior that um has happened since then or it was just kind of this happened and then there's been no discussion i didn't find anything obviously you know i'm not we're not in tennis circles i would love to talk to people who are um just to get an idea of like okay what's really going on here um i saw some you know there were some rumblings from people in the tennis world before she rehired him about how awful he'd been um it's just it's difficult when then that player has success you know she won she won wimbledon and the usa she's won two majors now yeah with with this guy as her coach um and i think that uh or maybe one was without him but the u.s open certainly with him forgive me um and so i just i i think this sort of dovetails into the men's side of of the u.s open as well yes um unfortunately because sasha zverev uh beat ben shelton the american and madeline why why were we all like what is it about ben shelton what do we know about his life that like makes him so rootable for well ben shelton's because he one has a lovely personality two great tennis player three great story his dad is his coach and also former player love that they seem to actually have a really good relationship it feels like one of the only times it works when your coach is your parent so um seems to be working for him and then also he is dating washington spirit star trinity rodman which iconic great sports pairing i'm like if they get married and have a child and that child decides to be an athlete i'm like they have the picking of what sport they'll probably be good at probably a lot yeah totally yeah i mean and and trinity managed to she had a game the same day that um ben was playing in the u.s open final and she managed to get there for the end of the match and she was crying when he lost i mean you know not full at like but you could see her wiping away tears um and it's it was i agree with you that that ben shelton and his dad seemed to have a a healthy from what we can see body language wise and pr wise which is what we talk about on this show um like brian shelton is always smiling he's encouraging and it just i think is really nice to see because i think that especially with male athletes in independent sports it seems like there's a feeling of like well you have to be super intense all the time and like you can't you can't be be remotely gentle also ben shelton won a championship a national championship with florida um when his dad was the coach there so that's great um so he's been coaching him for a long time whole life sure he sure has he sure has and ben shelton was so gracious when in his speech about after he lost which is just also kind of in contrast to sabalenka who did not want to talk and was like i can't believe i have to give a speech now and also told a cameraman to f off when he was filming her and like i sure i get it you're upset but i do i do feel like if you're um that you just you kind of have to you can't swear at other people who have nothing to do with you losing right no it's not the cameraman's fault that you lost so and also in some ways i do feel like you know i get being mad you lost but i'm also like it's your job you're an adult maybe be mad after you're not on camera because i get you know people will proceed it's like if you're bad people are going to be talking about it that's just yeah how the internet works when you're broadcast globally after losing a major sporting event final so maybe don't do that she's also won a lot of them right yeah yeah okay also a great point you know yeah it's not like she's like brand new and yeah and like was not even ranked and came all the way and then lost like i that would be more probably emotionally taxing in some ways yeah it's like he won i think she won three in a row for two in a row at least yeah i think three but anyway so alexander's vera um is a german player and he i it's awful to watch him play tennis because there have been numerous allegations of um domestic violence against him and the journalist ben rothenberg has done really great uh reporting on this he spoke to um the the women who have accused zverev there's a lot of evidence out there there are pictures of the harm that he did to uh olia uh sharapova who was his girlfriend um in 2019 and 2020 um she accused him of domestic violence after a 15-month investigation the atp said that they interviewed a bunch of different people and said they wouldn't punish him because there's insufficient evidence to support the allegations, which is wild given what is out there. Also, the mother of Zverev's child, his former partner, Brenda Patea, alleged that he pushed her up against a wall and strangled her. And Olya said that he had suffocated her and punched her. I mean, it's really, really horrible stuff that he is accused of. But the German courts in the Patea situation, he had to pay a fine to settle. But the German court said the decision is not a verdict and it is not a decision about guilt or innocence. And he's faced no consequences whatsoever. And he's just out there playing tennis. And it is pretty maddening. It's maddening. It's awful. It's horrific. It's also not surprising. And I do think one thing that also points to it not being surprising, but it is still shocking, is that the tour does not have a domestic violence policy. Is that true? They have a policy where you can't do, you can't commit, you can't do this in tour locations. But because these tennis players are independent contractors, they say that there's no way to really, you know, manage it. I mean, it's, it is a cop-out. It is a way of not having to do, not having to deal with an unpleasant situation or a situation where one of your top players may not be able to play if you take action. Well, it's like any of these leagues. They kind of want to wipe their hands of this topic and want to feel like that they, I mean, well, I guess sometimes the NFL and the NBA will give some sort of punishment, but it's usually quite minimal. And it still feels energetically similar to this of like, we're just, we're not involved. We're not involved with this. We're sorry this happened. And we think domestic violence is bad, but then we're not really actually going to do anything about it to punish the people who we are paying millions of dollars to play a sport for millions of people. And they rely a lot on the like, well, who's to say? And it's like, well, right. You know, it is. So it was just a bummer between the stuff about Robach and his coach and the allegations against Zverev. Yeah. Where you want to, it, you can't, you can't not think about that when you're watching. And that's partly why we have this show, because when you're rooting for people, you want to know who they are. Like, and, and especially the, the broadcast on ESPN, the, the TV broadcast didn't say anything about the allegations. So, you know, we got, I got a lot of texts about like, oh, Zverev seems great. And I, and I was like, well, he's, I don't think so. And then, you know, as women, once again, even though just like, this is the smallest example of it, we have to be the ones who are like, well, I'm going to be the party pooper and tell you that the guy that you like actually probably isn't so great. Allegedly, you know? And so it's just these, like the, the, these moments where you're like, ah, I just want to have fun watching tennis. Yeah. Well, it's another example. And I feel awful for the people who this has happened to. Yeah, of course. It's just another example of male athletes, especially being able to wash their image by doing a good thing, which is winning the U S open a major title. And he, he can now say, look, see, like I'm happy. And he, and I don't know if you saw, I mean, it didn't land, but he was joking about Trinity Rodman during his interview, which again, I was like, what are you doing? Bringing up your opponents? Girl. I mean, that was just like, I felt like it was just gave me an ick more or just added to the ick that I already felt towards this man. I mean, extreme ick that I have towards him. But I just do feel like all the like happy photos, all of this is like, see, look, I'm not so bad. I'm just a, jokey guy. I didn't do anything wrong. And now I have a title and everyone needs to be quiet about my alleged bad behavior. Yeah, totally. Totally. Um, so that was, that sucked. there were also, there have been a number of things, you know, I know we, we started this episode, you know, being all funny and we'll still be funny sometimes, but the, this past weekend, Madeline, you know, when, when you and I were talking about what we're going to do on the show for today, we were both like, it feels like we have taken 15,000 steps back for women in sports. Yes. Um, with, you know, the U S O the, the, the bad stuff around the U S open. Um, there was something with Arch Manning that happened. Who's the quarterback of Texas, uh, and Texas, he led them to an unbelievable comeback against Ohio state. And, um, after that, Steve Sarkeesian, who's the coach of Texas was supposed to do a post-game interview with Holly row contractually. You have to do it. He completely blew her off. It was horrible. Holly Rose, a legend. It was disrespectful. Um, and you can tell in the clip for everyone, go watch it. She looks annoyed. Like there's a second before the broadcast cuts away and she's like, really? Yeah. Um, but something happened in a press conference, um, after this, that is even worse. So yeah, Arch Manning was asked in a press conference, whether he had seen some AI generated content of the wind. And he said, yeah, I had seen some of them. And then he said, quote, I saw the AI edit of Stark slapping Holly row and then chuckles to himself. The reporters start chuckling. And then as their chuckle gets louder, which eggs him on, he goes, that's a good one. And then fully starts laughing. He says at some point that's hilarious. Yeah. Which I don't really see what's hilarious about that. Arch. It's an AI generated video. It's not of a cat with a football and running around with a cowboy hat on, on the fields. It's a video of your head coach slapping one of the most highly regarded people, not even women in sports, people in sports media. And you're going to laugh about that. And I think it is really discouraging because it feels like to be in a place where Arch Manning, who is one of the most media trained media trained college athletes, I would say he's 22 years old for him to think he thinks about everything he does. His family is the first family of football. His grandfather was a great football player. His two uncles, Eli and Peyton were, you know, both won two Superbowls and he knows what to say and what not to say. So the fact that he thought it was so socially acceptable to laugh about an AI generated video, a violence against a female reporter, that it didn't even cross his mind to be like, maybe I shouldn't say that's hilarious shows how acceptable this kind of behavior is in our culture. Now it shows how acceptable it is for men to do horrible things to women and for young boys to get to think that's funny. And I personally thought that we were, I think it maybe at some point in my twenties, I thought we were past that in the, in the hopeful 2010s, we clearly are not. And it is just, it is so awful to see that also very interesting. Holly row is a coworker of Eli and Peyton Manning because she's on ESPN. They have the Manning cast on ESPN. So there are a lot of layers to this that just make it horrific. Yeah, it's horrific. And another thing too, is not only is he breaking his media wall by just showing who he really is by laughing at this. Also the reporters, which it sounds like a chuckle of a man. I could be wrong, but it sounds like it was mostly men in the room were laughing along and egging him on. And to me that also, this is also depressing for the state of sports media, that these people who are covering the team, presumably who are in this room are laughing along to this and also think it's okay. And to me, it felt like it was a peek behind the curtain of what women talk about all the time in sports, but obviously in other industries too, of just how much of an old boys club it is. And how prevalent the, like, you know, the locker room talk conversation, it still feels like it we're living in that. And as you said, a couple of minutes ago, it feels like we've made some progress. It, you know, like obviously coverage around the WNBA has increased. The, those games are selling out. It's like, Oh, women, women in sports, we cover women's sports. We love supporting women in sports. And then something like this happens and you're like, Oh, we have made no progress, no progress for how, men feel like they can talk about women instead of him saying that clip was not okay. You know, like whoever made that that's inappropriate. And then in addition, these grown adults as well, he's a grown adult, but grown adults who work in sports media are laughing at this about a colleague. What are we doing? What are we doing? But also it's like, it's not surprising. Like this is like, well, yeah, of course this is happening. I have never been more aware of my own body than when I've gone into football press boxes, because I have never been more aware that I am different from the majority of people in these spaces. There is a culture of you should be lucky to be here in at many of these major sports media places. A lot of women watch themselves get passed over again and again for promotion. And then even when you do get to the top, Holly row is at the top, she's at the top of her game. She is at the top of the pyramid. She had, she's the sideline reporter for the, biggest college football games in America, among other things, but in this instance. And she is disrespected in this way. That just shows you, it goes all the way down to the bottom and at the bottom, you have no visibility. So you don't stand a chance in fighting the people who are treating you this way. And I think that you and I in doing this show, it's a big part of why we wanted to do it and why we wanted to do it ourselves outside of those traditional sports media places because you just see what you're up against. You see what you're up against. And it's really, it sucks. Yeah, I just think in a lot of ways, even someone like Holly Rowe, who again, to your point, is at the peak of her career. She's doing the best things you could possibly do if you have her job. She is still in so many ways set up to fail by the system, by her own colleagues, by the patriarchy, by AI, the fact that you can even make this content you're set up to fail. But just watching someone of her status just be treated this way, you're like, well, yeah, right. Because this is what it's like. And seeing, just hearing the laugh in the background in that clip is I actually think more disturbing in a lot of ways than even him laughing in the clip. To me, it's like the then, the gaggle that gets louder in the background of how many men who were laughing along with him and were also clearly fine with it. It's like, what? I mean, that to me was like watching, listening to a horror film or something. Yes. A sports media horror film. No, truly. And you know that these are guys who post for their wife's birthday and talk about what an amazing pillar of their family she is. You know that these are guys who wear hats that say girl dad on them. It's just so, you just know that's happening. And, you know, I'll be interested to see if Arch releases a new film. If he releases a statement, if he says anything, he clearly didn't think it was that bad in the moment because he said it and then he said it again. So I, yeah, I think that this also ties into something that has sort of taken the internet by storm, which is a Sidney Sweeney sports ad. It's an ad, it's not a sports ad. It's not a sports ad. It's an ad for a sports betting company. And we're not going to say the name of that company because we're not going to say the name of that company. What this company wanted was for everybody to get mad on the internet about this ad and talk about it. And it worked because this company now has, I'm pretty, I saw an article in the Times where an expert was quoted as saying that it is now as recognizable as Cal Sheehan Polymarket because of this one ad that Sidney Sweeney did. Madeline, can you tell people what this ad was? Sidney Sweeney is in a one minute commercial and she is naked and is just covered up by various sports balls and devices. That's the only way to put it. Like devices? A helmet? Sure. Yeah, basketball hoop. She is naked and is just in different positions saying essentially the word sports over and over. She is swinging a baseball bat. She is laying on a pool table. Lots of different positions. And it's promoting this app, this website. Website that we're not going to name. But she's fully naked. The first time I saw this ad, my immediate thought was like, oh my God, this ad feels so outdated. But then at the same time, like it feels like an ad you would see in like 2003. And it's like a shocking, you know, ad. And it's a naked woman and it's sports. And you're like, oh my God, this is horrible. And then you would talk about it in a journalism or women's studies class about like how messed up in this ad. And it's like, oh my God, this is horrible. It objectifies women, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So in that way, it feels kind of outdated. Like the creative itself feels outdated. But then at the same time, going back to what we previously said about how we've taken so many steps backwards, it feels so of this time and of the moment because we have taken so many steps backwards. That's, I was like, this ad is 2026. Yeah. Yeah. We're at a point where this ad was made knowing it's objectifying women. It was made for the male. Because men are predominantly who bet on sports. It was made to make women who don't want to be sexualized, who don't want to be seen as simply for their bodies to get mad about. And this is a, this is a playbook that the right has been using constantly. There was actually an article in the New Yorker, which I took some issue with, but that doesn't need to be litigated here about how conservatives have taken back being hot and how they are painting liberals as being hot. Like, you know, you, you, what? Women can't be sexy anymore. And what it is, is catering to the male gaze in a way where they know exactly what they're doing. And I think Sydney Sweeney, she's a registered Republican. Her lingerie brand, Serum, which is I think supposed to be siren. It's spelled S-Y-R-N. It's, she's the only model in these ads for this underwear. And once again, she's always in very sexual positions the way she was in this ad. And her, her lingerie brand is a, a key partner of Stagecoach, which is a conservative country music festival. She was seen there dancing and singing with Scooter Braun, her boyfriend, who is Swifty's enemy number one, because he sold Taylor Swift's masters out from under her. And I just think that it is, all these women athletes who've gotten really mad about this, understandably. And I think it sucks that if you get mad about this publicly, you know that the people at the company are like, hell yeah, we did it. Of course. And that sucks because basically it's saying, if you're mad about this, you are proving our point. But if you're not mad about this publicly, then it's seen as okay to keep doing it. So it is just acting in the worst faith possible way of taking, of putting women objectified in sports at a time where it feels like we keep taking steps back for women working in the sports world. Yeah. Well, to me, the ad was just, it was rage bait. They clearly wanted to elicit this reaction, but it's like, at what cost? It's like, this is the message you want to be putting out there for your company. I mean, first of all, it's already a gambling company, so it's already kind of bad vibes. But, you know, like you're, you're basically just rage baiting people. And if you're outraged, they're like, see, this is what we want. And then if you're not outraged, they're like, come get $5 off your first bet, you know? And, and I think being mad about this commercial, it's not saying, I'm not saying at least, you shouldn't have bodily autonomy. If you want to be naked in Playboy or whatever, like I used to be a model, like I get it. It's, I have no qualms about that, but it's about like, you have to think about the strategic decision that this company is making in this current climate to do something like this. That it's not like this is just some random, I don't know, like art publication that's putting out this as a statement. Like if I saw that ad at an art exhibition, I'd be like, this is a, this is a representation. It's supposed to be interpreted about like the state of media and how women are represented. Like, you know what I mean? Yes. But in this context, it's like, this was a probably, I don't know, at least six figure, probably seven figure campaign they put, put together for this rollout. That it's like how many stakeholders signed off on this ad. And we're like, yeah, this is the message we want to present to the world because we know that there are a lot of people who will either be really mad about this or really on board because that's the current state of the climate. Well, and you know, the most cynical part of this whole situation, Sidney Sweeney has equity in this sports betting company. Yeah. So Sidney Sweeney was basically saying, all right, I will. And she's already been in a controversial ad for, you know, American Eagle jeans, where she talks about genetics. Which, you know, that's a, that's a right wing dog whistle. And she's saying, I'll do it again. Cause it worked the first time. I think American Eagle shares went up after that ad. And I'm going to profit off of it at the expense of other people who are trying to operate in the sports world in a responsible way. And then she doubled down by posting pictures on Instagram, on her stories of the ESPN body issue, which was an issue that used to be done with, with athletes. With the athletes, yeah. With naked athletes. And I know people who worked on it. It was done with a lot of thought in terms of how do we show how amazing these bodies are of all different types without sexualizing them. So for her to then take that thing that was thought about so carefully and say, well, I'm not doing anything different. First of all, you're not an athlete. Second of all, you're in literally sex positions in this ad. I don't know what to tell you. Is, is also again, acting in bad faith to elicit a reaction. Like I wouldn't be surprised if they said in the meeting about this commercial. Okay. Sydney, when people get mad, just post pictures of the body, body issue. And that'll justify it. Yeah, totally. But it's like how many people. And it'll make people more mad. And then we'll talk about it more. Of course. And it's like how many people were overseeing the approval of this ad in the same way, how many people were overseeing the approval of that good, good golf, good, good golf Callaway ad we talked about a couple of weeks ago. And I think once again, yeah, this is very different from the ESPN bodies issue. So this ad is, again, in my way of saying it feels outdated. It's like being like women cannot have, they don't give anything else to society, but what they look like and what they provide to men and the male gaze. And that's what that ad is. I mean, that ad is not for anyone but the male gaze and to rage bait people. So it's like if that's where we're at as a society, like, oh man, we have such a long way to go. So far. So far. Like 25 million Everest to climb. I know between that, the AI, I mean, also Aaron Rodgers went on a podcast. We haven't even talked about this because it came out the day that our episode with Mina. Times from last week came out where Aaron Rodgers went on a podcast, did a bunch of dumb stuff per usual. He also just continued to speak horribly about two of his exes. Yep. He spoke horribly about Danica Patrick and Shailene Woodley talking about their breakups. He went into intimate details. And once again, it's a man blasting women, his exes, who aren't talking about him anymore publicly in any way, shape or form. And he's not no one asked for Aaron Rodgers is feelings about his exes. And yet he is continuing to use his spotlight to talk about women in a damaging and demeaning way. People that he was in long relationships with. And while at the same time, simultaneously telling the public to not talk about his personal life, don't talk about it. I'll tell you what you need to know. But he's just volunteering this information. Did he ask their consent before he brought up those stories? No, obviously he didn't. I'm sure he didn't send a little text ahead of time. I would guess Danica or Shailene, you can let us know if that's not the case, but I'm going to guarantee you that he did not do that. So Aaron, you're allowed to go and talk about your personal life and the personal lives of other people on a podcast. Listen to many, many people and blast it all over the Internet. But if someone says anything about your personal life, you get on the extreme defensive and then ramble on. And Pat McAfee showed up about it. So just what do you want from us? I don't know. The general we. So just let us know. Yeah, let us know, because if I had to guess, it would be that you want something to be mad about all the time and you want us to talk about your personal life so that you can say, don't talk about my personal life. And then you do it again. And it creates this never ending cycle that Madeline, you and I have found ourselves stuck in because it's also not something you just want to let slide and say, OK, cool, Aaron, you can talk about. Your exes and say horrible things about them. And so I guess, yeah, it was not a great weekend. It was not it wasn't a great week in terms of the way that women have been talked about in sports and treated in sports. And I am not I try to be a hopeful person. And I think I always try to say, OK, well, we took we took steps. Back here. What's the positive? And this is this is a hard one to find a positive about. I guess the fact that and I think I've said this before for me personally, the fact that you and I have this show where we can say what we think in a way that feels very considered. And, you know, there are not many places where women can even say things like this in the sports world. So I guess that to me is hopeful. But it's it sucks. It really sucks. It really sucks. I think in some ways we've made progress. I think our show, to your point, is an indication of some progress and a swing, hopefully in a positive direction. And yet at the same time, it feels like we're being dragged down by a weight and we're trying to swim up in a pool to get to the surface. And you can't quite make it there yet. And I hope things change. But. These examples don't make me too hopeful, to be honest. Yeah. Which is a bummer. Yeah. I mean, look, maybe there's a for every pendulum swing, it has to swing back at some point. But it will. It will. Hopefully. And it will. And it will. Wow. 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