241. Susie Wiles Out, Stephen Miller In: What is Trump Thinking?

Trump is shaking things up following the seismic midterm loss. Susie Wiles is out as chief of staff. Her replacement, possibly the most hardline pick imaginable, Stephen Miller. Is this the beginning of a new no-holds-barred era of Trump? And that's only the half of it, Katty. Never would I have imagined that Trump would float the CEO of a martial arts company as a candidate for one of my old jobs. That's right, the press secretary. We need to talk about what's going on there as well. Yeah, and then on the other side of the aisle, the Democrats already divided. What's the better strategy? Attack Trump, investigate Trump, or act on affordability or try to do both? Let's get into it. This episode is brought to you by eToro. It's midterm season, which means the political madness is well underway. The drama doesn't stay in Washington. It can ripple through markets. And portfolios around the world. And that is where eToro comes in. 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Our best friend, Stephen Miller, who, if you are not a founding member, become a founding member, because Anthony and I have done a profile of Stephen Miller. It's coming out this week for founding members. But yes, that Stephen Miller, now in the top job that he always wanted. Somebody over the weekend was saying this is like comfort food. Chris Christie, your old friend, former governor of New Jersey, was saying this is comfort food for Donald Trump. He has gone so much for the Donald Trump that came out of the midterms and said, okay, I'm not going to contest the results. Let's try and see if we can work together. That lasted about a nanosecond. And now here is Trump with he could not have done a more base play. And after a terrible week for Republicans and for the MAGA base, I understand that is about the only thing that the MAGA has got excited about is the idea that their guy, Stephen Miller, is going to be chief of staff, which basically means, because this guy understands the levers of power and he understands policy and he understands how government and the White House work, unlike Susie Wiles, I think he's potentially, as long as he lasts, going to be much more powerful than Susie Wiles was in shaping the direction of the president. What do you reckon? Well, yes, because he's been basically running things anyway. But Susie, just so everybody knows, she lasted approximately 60 Scaramoochies. We're still doing Scaramoochies. I think so. So what is that? That's 120 Katie Zacharias. That's a very long time in Trump's world. We don't mention that, though, right? We don't not mention that. No, we can mention Zacharias. It's all good. But I think Miller's going to be there to the end. He started with him in the beginning. He's going to have a 10-year reign, little Himmler. I love the fact that Trump lost the midterms and concluded that the problem was not enough Stephen Miller. You know, so let's get more Stephen Miller in the game. It would be like getting food poisoning, Katie, going back to the same restaurant and saying, I need more of that stuff. I need more. I need more of that. OK. But, you know, Stephen Miller, the chief of staff, as General Kelly would tell you, is supposed to say no to the president and to be the dissenter in chief alongside of the president, try to help the president. When Miller hears no, he's going to say yes harsher, Katie. And so this is juxtaposed against the interview last night, which I watched all 27 minutes of. That's the interview that Donald Trump gave. He gave on 60 Minutes, guys, with Ross Douthat. He's basically saying that he was too tough on immigration. So how does that how does he reconcile that with Stephen Miller, who wants to take down the Statue of Liberty? Well, that's what I don't understand. So there is Donald Trump talking to Ross Douthat and saying, OK, everybody wanted me to come in and close the border. But maybe when it comes to going in to take into a hotel and taking away. The woman who is working as a maid. I mean, it's a weird ramble. It's kind of like something out of a movie that he does. Maybe that is a little tough. Oh, and by the way, perhaps I could work with Democrats, possibly even on the issue of amnesty. So that is you've always spoken about Trump. What star sign is he, Anthony? He's a Gemini. There you go. So this is Trump, the Gemini. This is Trump talking to Ross Douthat of the CBS News, ex New York Times, wanting to sound kind of reasonable to the American public. The American population realizing that seven in 10 Hispanic voters in Texas voted for James Tallarico, which is why they have just lost Texas. He understands the maths. He's not stupid. And then saying, OK, well, yes, when we go into the hotel and we deport the maid, then that's a little tough and I can work with amnesty. But the one person he decides to elevate in the White House is the person who has made it his mission. There is nothing Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller cares about and has cared about as much since he was in middle school and dumped his friend because his friend had Hispanic origins. There is nothing he cares about as much as immigration. So which is it? Which of the Gemini's is it? Which way is he going? I think he's going Stephen Miller. Yeah. Well, he's saying the stuff he's saying on 60 Minutes to sound like he's somewhat normal, but he's going hard Stephen Miller. And one thing. I don't know about Stephen Miller. Trump trusts Stephen Miller. And so and that is the dark side of Donald Trump. And that is ultimately who Donald Trump is, because, Katty, if you could go to heaven, Katty, and all you have to do is forgive your enemies, Katty, what say you? That was that was for me, Anthony, listening to that. And it is worth everybody listening because there is a lot in this 60 Minutes interview. It is the first interview the president has done. Since his shellacking on Tuesday. And he's asked at one point, you know, would you forgive James Comey? Would you forgive Nancy Pelosi? All of these enemies you've made, you know, in the interests of Judgment Day before the Lord, would you forgive them? And he says, well, it would be very easy to say I would forgive them. That's what everybody wants me to say. But actually, no, I thought it was the most. It was the most pure. Essence of Trump that we've heard in a long time. He's a dark figure. And all of you evangelical Christians out there that are swarming Donald Trump and he's flowing robe Jesus. He's a dark, dark figure. And that Ross question exposed how dark he actually really is. I mean, it's immature, right? That's what kids say in the playground. He's a repressed guy that's probably hiding a lot of things about his personal identity. And a result of which he's very angry about it. And he wants to take it out on other people. But, you know, listen, he also said something I think is also very important. The economy is great, but the message didn't land. Okay. And so hear me out, guys. If you think the economy is great, then the policies are fine. You don't hire a moderate to change the policies. You hire a believer. In comes Stephen Miller. Okay. And I got to tell you something. The economy is great for a large group of people. And this is something people have to be aware of. Trump is getting the confirmed biases of his Mar-a-Lago club and the Mar-a-Lago set. He's hanging out with those people. He has effectively insulated himself from the people that he used to talk to 10 years ago that are getting destroyed right now in this economy due to the affordability issues and due to the war and the tariffs and all this other stuff. So. So, so the other, the other, the other thing that Trump has said, Kevin, Katty, and I want to ask you about this, is no corruption, Katty. No corruption. I made $3 billion because I own stock. Ross, you should own stock. And Ross said, no, I guess I didn't get that memo. I don't have the leverageable assets to turn my net worth up $3 billion. What was amazing about that answer, because it covered kind of everything, when Ross asked him about the corruption, and we know from the exit polling that corruption was a huge issue for voters in this election campaign. Trump said, well, yes, I've done very well. Everyone's done very well. I made $3 billion. So has everybody. And Ross looks at him like, did you not see what the voters have just said? They're not actually doing very well. And you're right. People with assets have made money. And I think what's interesting over the course of the weekend is how you had one of the hosts of the All In podcast, which is kind of, you know, one of the tech bro podcast, come out and say, actually, you know what, this midterms was not just a referendum just on kind of corruption and Donald Trump making money. It was a referendum on a system in which people who don't have money and don't have assets and have to work for a living and get a job for a living are struggling. And we need to actually have a think about that system now. I mean, he was sounding kind of much more like a sort of democratic socialist than that podcast. Usually sounds. But I think there's something in that that Trump thinks, well, my friends have made money and they've made money around me and the people I hang out with in Mar-a-Lago because I live in this bubble, like you say, have all made money. And I look at the stock market and that's all he really cares about. And that's doing great. But, you know, he hates this coverage, Anthony. That's the other thing I'm hearing. He hates the coverage. He hates the idea that the loss was about him. He hates the idea that he spent money from his super PAC. And he's apparently he's asking, where did the money go? Was it wasted? What happened to my money? Because he thinks that's his money that people have donated over the last couple of years to his super PAC. So he he's not a happy camper right now. Right. And that's what I think is worrying is what happens when he's not a happy camper. Which direction does he go and what does he do? Not a happy camper, which is why he's going to double down on being an unhappy camper and project all of this ill will on the rest of us in our civilization. But, Catty, Mr. President, didn't you pick these candidates? And his answer, Catty? They were not very good candidates. If I had been on the ballot, then everything would have been perfect. Yeah. But he let something slip out in that interview. He said, well, Cornyn would have also lost. And by the way, he's right about that, because if you look at the magnitude of Hispanic voters, they would have cleaned Cornyn's clock. Yeah, a hundred percent. So you're right. So so my policy is to let Cornyn lose. And I think that's what he's doing. And Hispanics hate me. But I'm the greatest president that's ever lived in the last two years have been the greatest in the history of the presidency. And we're going to double down. And by the way, I have a clip for everybody. And maybe maybe we can put it in our newsletter that somebody took in Mar-a-Lago who sent it to me. And there was Stephen Miller saying that without Donald Trump, there would be no civilization left and no United States. And all of this crazy stuff. And he's pledging his undying loyalty. And in the corner of the clip, in the corner of the frame, look at me, Caddy, corner of the frame. Who's doing this? Mr. Rubio. Yeah. Little Marco's in the corner of the frame saying to himself, nobody's going to see me do this. This is a private event. But no, there I am. And all I can see is the backside of Donald Trump from my vantage point. So it's absolutely disgusting behavior by little Marco Rubio. But these guys now think that they're going to go to the American presidency. I don't know. Marco's also a Gemini. Maybe he'll morph himself 17 times. J.D. Vance is now coming up with a J.D. Vance has the Rubik's Cube out. He's trying to find a new identity, a little bit of white nationalism infused in there. And maybe possibly let's pick something out of there, maybe from migrant workers, maybe we could do a DNA recombinant of the mixture. I mean, these guys are really unbelievable. Can I OK, let me ask you about that. And I think the other interesting thing and then we'll get to the Democrats. The other interesting thing that's happened in Trump world over the last few days, obviously, is J.D. Vance putting out that long post last week and saying, actually, this was all about the war in Iran. We mentioned this on Friday. It was not about all of the other things like corruption and ICE. He doesn't mention any of that. It's all about the war in Iran. And Donald Trump, a couple of times over the weekend, comes out and says, well, some people didn't like it. I didn't like it, but I'm OK with it. But I just wish that he had said that he would have done the same thing all over again and that basically Donald Trump was right to do what he did. So here's my question to you. J.D. is like, as you say, he's in this Rubik's wheel. He's trying to find the exit that will take him on the route to the presidency. And he is lost at the moment because he doesn't know which way to go and he doesn't know how the electorate is going to be. And he's trying to spin himself in circles. But how much more does Donald Trump tolerate J.D. trying to distance himself from Donald? You can't do that in Trump world. I'm not endorsing anybody, even though this is my number two. I'm not endorsing anybody because I'm He may not even run. He may not even run. Who knows? By the way, let me tell you how sick Trump is, though. He thinks he's done a great job and he is such a narcissist. He doesn't want any of these guys taking credit for the great job that he has done right now. I think he's done a shitty job, as do you. But he thinks he's done a great job. And God forbid anybody should take credit or ride on his coattails unless the person's name is No. And that is also not going to happen. But, Caddy, before we go on to something else, I just want to make a couple of predictions here. They are going to try as hard as they can to goose up whatever legislation or judicial confirmations they need between now and January. So Miller is in the office right now looking at that. And he's on the phone calling congressional leaders saying, we got a jam full MAGA here before the year end. Now, I predict, watch me, I'm picking my nose scratching my nose. That's what the congressional leaders are going to say, because even over the weekend, some of the House of Representative GOP members were trouncing Steve Miller and they don't want anything to do with this guy and they don't want to be attached to this guy. OK. And they're saying it publicly. Yes. Because they know that if they want to have a chance in 2028 of keeping the White House and possibly even having a Senate that is not a Democratic filibuster proof majority, because the Democrats could win even more seats and have a filibuster proof majority in 2028 at this rate. They know the route to that is not more Miller. They're not dumb. Right. They know that they can't go Miller and White House. You can't have both. You can't have the White House in 2028 and go full Miller today. Pick and choose. It's like a buffet, guys. Tell our audience who Robert Garcia is. So Robert Garcia is the Democratic congressman who over the course of the weekend, no, course of last week, had a message for Republicans. And the message was this lawyer up and specifically for Stephen Miller. Yes. And Pete Hegseth. He's coming for him hard. OK, so now since you mentioned Pistol Pete, Water Pistol Pete Hegseth. Oh, we have to get to Pistol Pete. Yeah. So since you mentioned him, we now have a countdown clock. OK, so I predict he doesn't last to the end of the month. He's out by November the 30th. OK. I think it's sooner. OK. You think it's sooner. OK, good. OK, good. I was being conservative. I think he's out by Thanksgiving. I think he could be out by the end of this week. Right. He could be out by the end of this week. And how would they get him out? They'll decide to remove him because they don't want to go through the process of him being impeached and they want to blame somebody for the war. Now, the only wrinkle in all of this is that Stephen Miller, who says he wants to end the war in Iran, but really has not been involved in that at all. And I don't know how he's planning to end the war in Iran. He has been a defender of Pete Hegseth in the White House. He and Pete are tight. Patriots are in charge is what Pete Hegseth wrote when he heard Stephen Miller was going to be the chief of staff. Patriots are in charge. Yeah. But you also know that that we know from Ross, who was interviewing Trump, that the meeting that Trump had prior to the interview was with who, Katty K? Pete Hegseth. Yeah, I see that. OK, so now Trump is backing him publicly. OK, we know that. But privately, he's told allies he's considering a replacement and he's asking people privately who should be the guy that replaces Pistol Pete, Water Pistol Pete Hegseth. Now, just imagine this stupid son of a bitch when he gets let go. What happens to this guy and what happens to his stain on American history? But anyway, he's going to get nailed because Thomas Massey is introduced introducing today, as you and I are speaking, new articles of impeachment, and he's going to force a vote by Wednesday. And they're going to go after him on the Venezuela stuff. They're going to go after him on the Iran war power violations. They're going to go after him on the firings. And was that actually legal? Okay, before we take the Democrats, there's so much news going on, guys, but we do have to quickly get to, was it the right Dana White, ladies and gentlemen, or did the president get a little bit confused when somebody suggested to him that he should appoint Dana White to be his new secretary? And he thought, great, that's my buddy from the UFC. But maybe it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't the right Dana White. That might have been the problem. What do you think? I mean, this is classic Trump, you know, shoot, fire, aim, you know. So somebody said to him, there's a woman spokesman from the Pentagon. Who was around in his first term. But I don't even think they gave it to him like that. I just think they gave him a list. He saw the list and then he reacted to the list by saying, Dana White, let's go press secretary. And, you know, listen, that's another sign of his crazed incompetence. And then he says, oh, it was all a joke. It was all a joke, guys. Well, yeah, but Dana White is no dummy. Dana White's flying to the White House to talk to him. He's already said he wouldn't take the job, but he, what does Dana White want? He wants publicity off of this. And by the way, Dana White's base, UFC base, is tied to MAGA. A lot of these MAGA people like it. And they have to rebuild MAGA because every little bit of the MAGA coalition, young men, non-college educated men, Hispanics, black men, a lot of them all went to the Democrats or stayed home in the midterms. So they've got to rebuild MAGA. And Dana White is, I guess, the obvious choice. Well, listen, he just signed a 7.7. $7 billion deal with Paramount to broadcast this UFC fighting. I don't think he's going to be the White House press secretary anytime soon, but it just goes to show you, if you are a world leader looking at Trump, you're like, okay, the guy is batshit crazy. So we do know that. But we also know that his brain is not working properly because he's just flying off the handle on things that are somewhat crazy. It's going to be a wild two years. And so we got. We got trouble ahead. Even though the Democrats are going to be controlling the Congress and probably controlling it for the next six to 10 years, we have trouble ahead with Donald Trump. Stormy weather. And this little himmler, Stephen Miller. Okay. Let's take a break. Come back and talk about the Democrats. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Anthony, we are heading into the holidays and there are a whole load of jobs that need to be done. We are hiring for an elf. What do you think? Okay. All right. Well, I'm sure we could find somebody like that on ZipRecruiter. I personally would like a professional cookie decorator. I was also thinking about a custom t-shirt designer because I've really got to upgrade my t-shirts for 2027. I think ZipRecruiter would be good for that. But the truth of the matter is ZipRecruiter can be good for so many different jobs, the highest level professional jobs, and even jobs around the house. 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It is actually kind of a fun day. I like that day when the kids come up and get their first day in school stuff on Capitol Hill. Here's the big question I have for you, Anthony. The Democrats had this stonking night. They are super happy. How do they make sure that this wave doesn't get knocked out by another wave in two years that sends them all back home again? That is the central question that they're all asking themselves right now, right? Yeah. Mm hmm. And they won on a couple of themes. They won on prices and affordability. They won on immigration. They won on accountability. I do think people want there to be accountability. That's what the exit polling said. But my friend, and who I have to disclose, I support, and I've known him for 35 years, Tom Swasey, who's District 3, which is the district that I live in out here in Nassau County. He's one of the few Democrats, because this is a MAGA county. He won the district again. And Tom Swasey, who's District 3, is the district that I live in out here in Nassau County. years, Tom Swasey, who's District 3, which is the district that I live in out here in Nassau County. He's one of the few Democrats, because this is a MAGA county, he won the district again. And Tom Swasey put out in the Wall Street Journal something everybody should read. Maybe Fiona can put it in our newsletter, the link there. But it was a wonderful op-ed on Friday saying, hey guys, don't lose the plot here. The Americans don't want to impeach Donald Trump. They don't want this nonsense. They want maybe some levels of accountability, but they really want policy. They want to contain the craziness of Donald Trump, and they want policy that's going to help them and their families. Do you agree with that, Kat? Yeah, I think that's right. I had a text just before we went on air from Brendan Boyle, who's a centrist congressman from Pennsylvania. And he said, listen, we've got early action items are going to include ending the tariffs, reversing the health care cuts, and ending the Iran war. Now, none of that's going to be easy because the president has the power of veto. And as we said earlier in the first half, it's not clear how you end the Iran war anyway. And even if you do end the Iran war, it's going to take a while for gas prices to go down. So I think the Democrats have a challenge, but they are all talking. There's a couple of really good interviews it's worth you guys listening to. One is Josh Shapiro over the weekend on Meet the Press, who talks about GSD, get stuff done. Stop the Medicaid cuts. Stop the food stamp cuts. Stop the rollback of Obamacare. We also need to have accountability. We need to look at corruption, but we have to do it in a way that protects the system. And if I was playing a Democratic strategist, a little bit of role play here, but I'm going to give myself the role. The way you present this is you say this is about protecting the American system. This is about making sure that we have a rule of law that is valid. This is about making sure that in future presidencies, people don't just think that we have a rule of law that is valid. That you win the White House in order to enrich yourself, which the founding fathers did not envisage because they thought, OK, they weren't going to be angels, but they were going to be good men. I think you're right. They've got to do both. But it's interesting to me how much they are talking about the practicalities. Now, the question I have for you, because you're the economist, how much can they deliver on this? There's a very good piece in The Wall Street Journal that's worth everybody reading. This is not easy. It's not easy for them to bring down prices. And it's not easy for them to raise wages. And it's not easy for them to juice up jobs. Right. So how much can they actually deliver? Even though they're all talking about it, how much can they actually deliver? I think that's the huge challenge for them. I think they can contain the president. I think they're going to be successful at doing things like that. But I think you're right that they don't have anything actionable that they can super deliver on. Again, just going back to Swazi's formula, he's saying 75 percent of the time should be spent on cost of living. You know, Elizabeth Warren agrees with the president on the credit card cap. She wants these interest rates capped at 10 percent. He said he would sign that. She's going to try to push that. I predict that that will not happen. The American Banking Association lobby is too strong for that. So that's an example where they'll try to do something. Al-Sayed, the new senator-elect, said something over the weekend, which I found interesting. And name it the Trump universal health care bill. I don't care. I'd like health care for all. I heard that. That was interesting. I think it was a smart move. I don't think Trump will bite that because, again, the lobbying against that is too strong. The money is just too strong in this country. You saw the allegations that were being made about Susie Weil and Ballard Partners, the great lobbying firm that she was part of, made over $100 million last year on her watch. Looked like people were getting favorable treatment. Again, for all of our British censors out there, that is my opinion. It's an allegation that's being made. Of course, she's innocent until proven guilty. But we both know it stinks to high heaven, the amount of money that's in the system. But, you know, I will just say this to you, that they're going to come after Hexeth, though. Hexeth is going to be part of that 25% accountability. They're going to go hard at Hexeth. He's an easy target. And if they remove him, that will be a boon to Democrats. Democratic voters will say, yes, get rid of Pete Hexeth. Do you think there is something of a geographical split? I was thinking this because just listening to them all over the weekend, Adam Hamilton, who you and I have spoken about a lot, the pastor from Kansas, now senator-elect from Kansas, was also on over the weekend. And listen to Governor-elect Keisha Lance Bottoms from Georgia as well, because I think there is a kind of Midwestern, Southern. Centrist, Democratic kind of caucus that is pretty powerful right now. You've got Keisha Lance Bottoms saying things like, you know, we do better with moderation in Georgia. It's not a state that likes extremes. Don't villainize one group or the other. I thought that was very interesting to hear her say that. And then you've got the kind of Northeastern, Mamdani, AOC, Troy Jackson, Michigan. But it's an area of the country where you've got more progressivism. And if we're going to see. The splits, I think, in the Democratic Party, and I do think this centrist group is pretty powerful right now. It's almost you could kind of draw a map of America and see where the more progressive caucus is and you could see where the more centrist caucus is. Does that seem right to you? That seems right. I guess another thing that they could also do on the affordability issue is they could launch investigations, right? They could hold hearings on who profited from the tariffs, health care costs, corporate pricing. It sounds like oversight mixed in with affordability, right? That's something they're probably going to do. Shapiro voiced that, by the way. He made a very good job of tying corruption to your cost of living. While Donald Trump has got richer because he's held off on AI regulation, for example, or sending chips to China, you've got poorer because of that. He's trying to kind of tell the story of why this affects people's affordability and cost of living. You know, there's some things in the big, beautiful space. There's a spending bill that ices out 17 million Americans, takes them off of the Affordable Care Act. The Democrats could probably try to reinstate that. Trump, being who he is because he's a deficit dove, he may say, fine, let that go, you know, and put those back in. Instead of having a $2 trillion deficit, we'll have a $2.2 trillion deficit. You know, those are things that could happen, which I'm not saying are great because I'm worried about the deficit. But, you know, listen, you know, the Congress. The Congress alone is not going to lower anybody's grocery bill. OK, and by the way, Democrats, let me give you the heads up. You're now sharing some ownership over the economy, even though you have very little that you can do to control the economy. So you've got to be you've got to be careful about that as well. And last but not least, that Senate filibuster. So we now we need 60 votes to pass something in the Senate. And so anything outside the budget rules will need. A Republican vote. And so it's hard, Katty. It's hard. Having said that, you put a check on these people. And having said that, these Republican presidential wannabes, them and their consultants are going to be deciphering the polls and saying, holy shit, we're hated in the United States. And look, things can change. We've just found out a lot can change in two years. A lot can change again in two years. That's another message that the Democrats should take on board. They have been put in there to govern. And to bring down people's grocery bills. And they need to make sure that everything they do has a direction. That is the direction that it's pointing in. Before we go, anybody going to support Hegseth on the way out? No, because Republicans are already you've even got Republican members of Congress publicly saying this guy is a disaster for us. And we lost the midterms in large part because of the Iran war. He hasn't got any friends apart from Stephen Miller. 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