Susan Gregory - on whether agents are sales people or customer service people

Daily respo content that you won't find on the radio show the Hodaki Breakfast Podcast. Hey later on we're gonna be chatting to Ellen Morrison and Adam King from the very like basically the superstars of people that lately they massive everywhere in the world. Yeah they're huge so they do online videos. They started basically taking the piss out of video games and then there's all sorts of skits and they do live, they made a movie and it's all basically been funded by the audience so yeah it's pretty cool. Millions of they've got millions of subscribers. Yeah millions and in their own studio outweighers. Yep which was funded by their followers by me. I think they're like two point six million or something. It was quite a lot. I think I don't know about $2.50. Did you? Yeah good for you. I got on you. It's all I had at the time man. But yeah because to talk to them Seth are going to eat jobs going. Yeah. Well Alan and Rowan, we're not talking to Rowan but Alan and Rowan used to be here at this very very radio station. Yes I know and I know they talked about this on the podcast recently. I think maybe we might play that audio for them. Although if Rowan's not coming in he's the one who said it. Did he? So maybe said it. Yeah. It's skin Rowan. Funny you say that. You know what should we play that? Should we play their bit of audio now? It's playing now. I used to work at Inzidme back in the day as a cameraman, as as cameraman slash editor as did Alan. I did. And and Jeremy Wells would always be in the building of what person and who goodness he was Jeremy Wells. He's a flawless looking human. He's one of the most beautiful people on the planet. That's the skin man. And I and I'd always kind of go, I never know how to kind of get to know him or just break the ice. Yeah. I'm always just that little cameraman scaring around. Yeah. And and then one day just by coincidence I was in the bathroom and he was here. He was also in the bathroom where we're both ended up being at the mirror. And I was like, oh my god this is my chance. This is my moment. This is the moment. And I was like, screw it. Take it. I'm just said, excuse me. Jeremy, what is your secret to having such incredible skin? And he just melted. He just melted before me. Here's a. I seem to the clip. Did you melt? I remember that moment. I remember it well. That's Rowan there. Yep. Who for some reason isn't coming in. No, he's not coming in maybe because he doesn't want to he doesn't want to address that. Yeah. That bathroom moment. They would have said, we're going to interview you with Jeremy Wells. He was like, oh, what day? Skin guy. What's your Tuesday? Oh, crazy situation with the bathroom. I remember then I said to him, moisture. Moisture is the trick. You need moisture. Internally or externally? Both. Both. I mean moisture externally but you're always going to have moisture internally hydration. Yeah. Well, you do have two separate glasses of water in front of you right now. Yeah. Try to get as much as possible in the first 10 hours. I've always said the key to great radio as hydration. Rode has got a drink bottle. Yeah. Drinks like a toddler. I was the sad thing as I was just thinking that. Drinks from a seppy cap. He's got a he's got to tell me to be there. Could I get some handles on this? Maybe a big nipple on it like a peach. But yes, I run I run the pint glass that just makes me feel at home. Yeah, yeah, run. I think I'm big fan of it. I don't know why we talk we used to talk all the time by the way. Me, Ron and Ellen, we spoke all the time and then saying that they're scared to chat to me rubbish. I don't believe that for a second. I think later on in that podcast, I said he hated you as well. Yeah. I believe that for a second. They did actually ask when they pitched this interview, is Jerry going to be there because we're a little afraid of him. Yeah. So it's the skin. We'll find out. We'll find out. So hydration. He's so moist. I'd like them to say something kind about my skin when they come in place. Just quickly before they do come in though because we don't need to subject them to this. We were talking about the cocaine that was shipped into the country 48 48 bricks and we're 48 kilograms 48 kilograms and they're all one kilogram bricks and we're always like does that ring any alarm bell? See why I tell them missing? Somebody mentioned it could be 48 because everything in bulk comes in multiples of 12. Yeah, that's everything. Most things are base 12. I don't know if it's the whole idea or is it base 12? I don't think so much, but it can be divided into two three four and six. Since why we have the 12 hours in the 12 o'clock in the same logic for having 12 hours and 60 minutes. There we go. That makes sense because you've got to go quarters and halves. Tens hopeless. Tens not divisible by three for example. I don't know. divisible by two. But I mean divisible by four. It is. Well it's not 3.3. Yeah, but it's not 3.3. It's quite enough when you're dishing out drugs. You know what I mean? Sure, if you're building a rocket that needs to go to the moon, you're a third probably a bit of a nightmarish. But it's always easier than I bet four stars easy to I think do you buy a third of a broker code candy? No. I do not. I know. I wouldn't have a clue. No, I would never buy a broker code cane. No. But I would also think that maybe that's got to do with the amount that they bought it for. I kind of think that maybe they bought it for let's just say 48 kilograms. I don't know. Five million or something. Well they said street value is 16.8. You'd have to think the markup is at least 50%. I reckon 300%. 300% market. I think so. So then we're saying a third of 16.8. So you're right. So let's say four point. Let's call it five. Yep. Welcome back to the start of your own point. Yeah, it's nice to be here. Thanks very much. The question was exactly what you were trying to explain to me. Someone else suggested that it was it was a de-quyshipment. Yeah. So someone else suggested that they they would give away 48 kilograms to bring in 200 kilograms somewhere else. I can completely see what I used to work at the port and well, well, I'm demonized. My memory is walking back. I did work at the port for a period there. You weren't a steveador, but it was. What was a red cape? And with bulls riding it, that's a metador. I'm not to be confused with a humidor where you might keep your Cubans cigars or El Himador the tequila or El Himador the tequila. Yeah. Or rotating doors. Or sliding doors or ranch lights or gymmers or here and but I hear indoors or corridors. Equator not to be confused with the corridor or the corridor of uncertainty. Got to know where you're off-stop. More door. One does not simply walk into being a steveador. All right. Although of all the jobs, that is probably one of the easiest to walk in. Because for thousands of years, people may have been able to walk into a port and find work. What do you do as a steveador? What does steve it do? Unload ships. Yeah, but how do you unload them? Depends on what's on there, don't you? Generally, there'll be a crane or a straddle or efforts like loose cargo. You might be able to, like it was pretty loose, dude. You might do that. Our main thing was we, they would unload the ships or the crane. Then we as the El Steveadors, we would open them for inspection, generally by MPI. So they come through and they check if there's any sort of, if there's a snake in there, if there's a spider, if anyone is hiding drugs in there. If there's a hidden cavity in the roof of it. But for example, let's say there is a 40-foot container, which is the double long ones, real, real long ones, generally, they're 20. The 41s are quite big. Now, let's say that that is full of, for example, garlic, boxes of garlic. How the hell are you going to check whether there's something else 30 feet in there without pulling it all out? You don't have enough hours of a day. So basically, they just open it and pull a couple of boxes out and go, happy? Happy. Right. So if you're going to plant drugs, what you're saying is, manoeuvr, if you are going to import drugs, it would be for those people out there who are about to do it. Do it. Put them in the back. I would even just go midway through. Really midway? You wouldn't need to go very far back. Can you open it from both sides? Some of them you can. Right. Or also a few. Yeah. Because if you thought there were drugs in there, you could just angle grind one end of it, rip that thing off. Wouldn't it be all about where it came from? For example, if it's coming from Panama or Colombia or Ecuador or or you might look a bit blue when it's swathe. You might look a little bit closer. Yeah. 100%. One day, because it's all very formal. There's rules and regulations and that. So I would have to open the container, I open it. The MPI guys not allowed to touch anything. I have to do all of that. And then he just examines it. One day, we cracked a 20-foot container open. I can't remember what was in it. He left his torch up and he right in front of him was an enormous spider web with a spider I reckon almost the size of my hand. And it was one of these, I'd not say one of these things in New Zealand before. It was one of those things you might see in like the Amazon forest or something. The jungle. And he's standing there looking at it like right in front of him with the torch right next to his eyes. We're looking at him looking at it and we're just like, "Fuck, how's he going to play this?" He stands there for a second, debating. And then he just looks down, right to his little clipboard and he goes, "Yup, it's good." It just looks like we're all like, "I'm fucking out." Now, there's this funnel web or whatever the hell this exotic spider is. And because we used to carry cans of just like raid, fly spread and stuff for that kind of thing whenever we saw that. But he's such odd expiders. - Yeah, for example. - Or domestic spider. - How do exotic spiders go with a spray of mortine? - I don't know. - You can't imagine they're, - They wouldn't like it. - They wouldn't like it. - I don't know what unit of a snake's in one of those bloody things. - It's one more thing. - Yeah, genola. - Had one guy who brought, so this was during COVID, so in the lockdown, he moved home from overseas and he brought this old school truck with him. He had paid to ship it over. And it got declined at the border. And so then he had to pay to store it at the port. It wasn't allowed to leave the port, 'cause they said it needed to be fumigated for bugs. And so he had to pay to keep this thing at the thing until the next time someone's available to come to fumigate it, which was like a week. - Doesn't everything get fumigated? - Hmm, that thinks so. - Gotta see so easy to fit things to get in. - Honestly, blue my mind. It was so much easier for things to get in than you would think. Evidently, just judging by the amount of the cocaine you're buying on the work. - Hey, man, no, I, when you were working on the ports, 'cause obviously you're a good, clean living fella and so no, I want to come and offer you, I'll give you a couple of hundred grand to let this through. - Yeah. - Did anyone from MPI ever get onto you and your mates and ask you if you'd been approached? - No. - Kind of like match fixing. - No, I wasn't there for long enough. So I wouldn't have built up enough trust for anyone to be like, all right, let's go to this guy, you know, don't have been like. - Did you get in there quite quickly? - He's got in there quite quickly. - I had a lot of money too. - Don't look, don't look. - Where did you get that house from? - Don't tug on that thread. - Hmm, where's all that? - Look, man, a lot of, a lot of, - Look, I'm coming, a lot of cash, a lot of boats. - A lot of dudes at the port have got plated haleys, right? A lot of dudes at the port. So don't, so stop fucking tugging on that thread. - Okay. - Are we gonna talk to our mates at Viva LaDetley? - Let's do it. - Well, not all of them. Let's do it next. - Shearing me wells and manias do it. Find them on Instagram @hodakibreakfast. Shearing and mania join the complaint. The Hodaki Breakfast discussion group on Facebook for more. - Adam and Alan from Viva LaDetley join us on the podcast today. - Get a fellow. - Hello. - Hello. - What a pleasant surprise to see you two, do you want to? - Good to meet you. - Yeah. - Great to see you. - Can we address the elephant in the room straight off the rip? Is the reason that Ron's not here because of their video that we played Jerry just before. - Absolutely. - And he's 100%. - Yeah, he just, he caught one of that outside and just turned around and left. - Yeah, he was, yeah, yeah. - I think he's actually kind of an awe of your whole personality and your whole vibe and your beauty. - So Ron. - Yeah, we're 100%. - Yeah, yeah. - She's hung in a blast. - Well, he taught us the story multiple times about how you guys connected was him complimenting your skin. - And the body was in the bathroom. - So what skin exactly was it? - Yeah, you're a good question. - Well, this is a face skin. - Yeah, it's face skin. It was definitely face skin. But I mean, this is just so nice for me to hear this because for the longest time, I was looking across it. I mean, Ron is a man with just impeccable skin. - Yeah, and Ellen and I hear and you can. - Yep, yep, where are we? - I mean, there's a whole lot of skin running across the whole of these literally to be fair. - Thank you. - It was a high bar. - Yeah, yeah. - So, you know, when he did, I remember the day that, - That's amazing, that's a memory of him. - I remember it, I remember it. But a lot of the story that he's telling us was always really skewed to do it. What a lot of rubbish that was. - That was, he was. - He was, he was. We were very intimidated. - We were. - For people. - For people listening who don't know, Ellen and Ron worked here at, well, it was in Zid me in those days. Was it in Zid me? - I was originally TRN, then it became in Zid me. So I was there for the change up. - Yeah, like Ellen was like the original video department. - I was, it was me. - What was it called? - It was just Ellen. It was called, they had, create me, - No, it was before that. - Oh, the original. - It was well before there. - It was way before then. - Yeah. - It didn't have a name. - It was the video. - Just like I was. - I was the guy with the camera. - Just some guy. - Just some guy. Do we have the guy around? Like what's genuinely that? I was a camera. I had a computer that I could edit the footage from and that was the entirety of the video. - And you were forced out on assignments for the ready. - And I was forced out on assignments. - It was, it was probably, it was cutting edge at the time. - It was cutting edge. - We didn't charge it that. - No. - No, no, no, no, no, no. - No, no, no, no. - It was, you know, it was just, no, it was, and no, it says it was just Ellen. And then Ron came along. - Yeah. - And they were a duo. - But I feel like, and there was just two of them in a room. - Yeah, you remember the room? - I remember the room. - We could walk. - We could lock the doors to that room and just kind of hide. It was this thing that we could just do. Like nobody, should you be saying that on there? - I don't work here anymore. (laughing) We were just kind of like, and closer on just hope nobody came. And that was a big strategy of the video department before we had to move locations and be in a more public space. - But you guys liked the D-Retro. - We did every thing. - That was part of the reason we wanted to hide was 'cause we were very overworked and very busy. - It was quite full on. I think as well, I think once, and Matt Heath was always cracking the whip on you guys. - He was, Matt Heath was. - He was a brutal task man. - He was a brutal, was he, was he your boss or was he just - Well, I didn't really know. The thing is, I was intimidated by everybody. See, everybody was kind of my boss. But I had an actual boss, - Right. - Who I completely forget, who was just kind of over-spawn me. But he wasn't like the video department boss. It was just the thing, this thing that had been handed. He was overseeing some other completely different department, he was like, I'll by the way, video guy. - He was like, after him as well. - I don't understand this. - And he was like, - He was like, - He was literally, yeah. - Yeah, and it was a cupboard and that's why we could hide. - Well, there was a transition before people didn't ever wanna see the people who work on radio's faces. - You know what I'm saying? - Like nobody ever wanted to see that. And for good reason, - Good reason I had a lot of situations. - And then all of a sudden, maybe we need to see these people. - It was strange getting a video job at a company called the Radio Network. It was very, I was very like, what am I doing? (laughing) I didn't know, but I was happy to be paid. - Yeah. - Yeah, 'cause I feel like once, I feel like once we did a show from the inside of Barry Soap's bow tie. And we created Barry Soap's bow tie. - Yeah, I was aware of that, but that was over there. I was doing other, I think. - No, you were part of that. - Are you sure as well? - 100% I was in your studio. I remember we were inside. - Right, so I was just wondering. - And I just remember, I just hate this hovering over your shoulder. - Yeah, yeah. - It's breaking the web on you. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were, - But you were, - It was like, it's all coming back. (laughing) - Is that why you left? - It's just because there were no there were. Well, I left because I, we had to make a decision to jump, just try and leave our job. - Leave our job to get into the team. - We saw this kind of gradual uphill trajectory of where we were heading. We were like, "Oh, if we commit time to this, I think we can make it." - We can make it. - So how long were you making doing both? Like working full-time jobs and making Vivalodilikes? - I was at TVNZ for like three and a half years. - You were here for way longer. - I was here for, yeah, - 20 years. - 20 years. - For five years. - Yeah, did I ever want to leave? I, I think we were probably doing both like work and Vivalodilikes for, - Five or six years. - Yeah, really. - Yeah, like it was just this part time thing, just whatever energy I had left after. - Like literally on the week, in the evenings after work and then on the weekends, any time left would be to Vivalodilikes. - And what were you doing at TVNZ? - I was in the commercials department. - Oh, you're making the Dremos and stuff? - Not in the promo department. I was in Black Sand, but I was doing TV commercials and corporate videos and all that kind of stuff. - Gotcha, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Okay, so much. - And how did you guys, how did you guys, you didn't do a little bit, that's fun. How did you guys meet and tell, were you friends and then you decide were you had common interests or? - We kind of met through the film industry just through our contacts that we knew. And then through video games, what we kind of fell in love with each other was playing StarCraft 2 games together and bonding over all the games that we loved. And then it was like, oh, we're also filmmakers. We should do some stuff together, is it? - Right, 'cause I think for people who don't know much about Vivalodil, you guys started making videos about video games? Is that better than still do basically? - And still do, yeah, by now you branched off into a million different things and have your own studio and making movies and all sorts. - Yeah, yeah. - It's said before I chit-ed on that, so you welcome. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think very much, you're too large to do. - It was a little stuff for you. - It was $25. - It was $50. - It thought it was $25. - Yeah. - How much do you guys raise for your studio? - It was $50. (laughing) - I've got a mic here, $10.6 million. - US. - Yeah, so it can't end up being like-- - So $4.5 million. - Yeah, about $4.5. (laughing) - Yeah, it's so-- - It's bizarcing that number. - I think that'll blow a lot of people's minds at our and they sort of like don't watch your guys videos or aren't that online, that's how-- 'cause what was the initial goal? Wasn't that much, was it? - Well, the way kicksetter works is you hook people in with a smaller goal, knowing that you're gonna try to get bigger. - But the initial goal-- - We never thought we'd get anywhere near what we got. - Yeah, we were, the initial goal was $100,000 US. And we were hoping to get around maybe $500,000 US. - Okay. - And then ended up getting $2.5. - It was just great. - We genuinely, we genuinely, it was mind blowing. I remember waking up that the morning, 'cause we had it been launched-- - Like 2 a.m. or something. I woke up and I was already at half a million and being like, that was our dream goal. - Yeah. - And the community's rallied, we're so lucky to have-- - Wow. - Lucky me. - So what did you say, surely you took the 500, and then you pocketed the rest of it? - And we just pulled it all, just spent on caressing up. - We messed it up. - How does that work though? What did you just put that into? - We just, the lab has to get all much bigger mortgage. - Yeah. - So we literally did all it did was go onto building, renovating the building, while buying the building, renovating the building and sets and then, - I don't know, almost more good. - I think we're showing you around the studio today. - Yes, I can't why. - Yeah, you'll see it, we really, we spent it. The studio was quite rundown when we first bought it. It wasn't a studio, it was just this warehouse that we've kind of cornered off and made into something much more legit. We've got established sound stages. There's a full medieval tavern in there. The green screen is the biggest permanent green screen in Auckland, I think still. - Yep, question mark. - I think it is, and we can-- - But it's a lot of fun time. - It's a nice association. - Way bigger than that one. - I think that's a tight second. - Don't worry actually. (laughing) - So how much of your guys time is spent now creating and making content and how much is the business part of it? - Who does all that? - Yeah, that's, who does all that? - Yeah, yeah, yeah us, essentially. - We still have a team, we're still actively involved in all of that, yeah. And I'd say when we first started out, we were like 95% was creative and like the rest was business. And now it's very much feels like 50, 50%. - That's about 50, 50. - We've got a team that does a lot of business stuff for us. We tried all the width, feel like all the creative stuff we do is more of the long lead, highly creative. So we're looking into what's the feature film down the road. We're also developing a video game for Far Down the Road. - Yeah. - Like we are, make sure you read "Hit the Video Game" we're already in. - It's a lot of small ones, but there's a video game out. There's a little bit of work for you guys. I hate this place. (laughing) - Yeah, I'm not gonna make anything good. - Come on down. - I wanna make video games. - Yeah, hang out in tebans. - Oh yeah. - Man. - So what are you guys playing at the moment? Is it obviously still gonna be doing a lot of game? - Do you think it's like a that? - I am. - No, I'm deep back into what the world grew up at the moment. - Yeah. - A 23 year old game and I'm hooked again as a far as 13. - Wow. - I have kids now so I don't game as much. - I can't. - Yeah, yeah. - I had said it's really disrupted my life. - I'm not gonna enjoy this. - Yeah, I'm gonna do it. - I'm glad he supplies this into the market. - I'm gonna go out kids. - What do you think? - I'm playing Wukong. - Oh! - Wukong. - Yeah, that's so good. - You're gonna be playing Wukong on? - I know, I'm just scrapin' Wukong. - You get to fight real good, eh? - Yeah, baby. - Yeah, that's it. - But you are in a stage I imagine now, Ellen, where you'll be playing games with your kids? - Starting to. They, a Remy who's my eldest has just found the switch and Nintendo switch and it's starting to have a-- - You've done a Star Jew Valley with the May. - Not Star Jew Valley with animal crossing. - Oh, animal crossing? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Something somewhere where it's the gateway drug. - This is animal crossing. - Okay, yeah, yeah. - Gotcha. - And then there's the Mario House. - Oh, no, then they're gonna get into Roblox and you'll lose the floor. - I hope, yeah, I don't know much about this Roblox, but I think you stay away from Roblox if the fight really is. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, my son's all over that. - Yeah, it'll be interesting for you guys because I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I seem probably in here. I'm, I'm not a person who plays games very often. I'm not much of a gamer. I do like it when I do it, but I don't know very often. - Yeah. - But my son was really into it, but I was a situation where he had to try and get him to do other things because he just zone right on. - That's me as a kid as well. - Yeah, yeah. - But I imagine it would be interesting with you in your kids because you've made an entire career and job out of it. - Yeah, it's a different vibe. - Because my parents were like, stop playing games, they'll never serve you and then I ended up turning it into a career. - Shame, shame mum and dad. - Shame mum and dad. - Shame mum and dad. - But I, but they're very supportive, of course, they're, they are, they, they did see how, I did push it a little bit far when I was a kid to a detrimental degree. - Right. - Yeah, I definitely, I guess I got a different vibe watching kids play where I'm like, I see the benefit of it at the same time and depending on the game, there's obviously just trash games out there as well, but the quality of the game is good then. - Absolutely. - You can play for like playing games as better than fucking Doom scrolling on your phone. - Yeah, absolutely. - Absolutely. - Yeah. - Yeah, the Doom scrolling is a hard thing to get kids away from. - Oh my god. - I think it's hard to get me away from it. - How do you look at this? - My kids are 16 and 14. - Yeah, and how long did you keep phones away from them? - Until they were like, I think it was like a living or something. - Yeah. - Like, yeah, seven. - Yeah, right. - You can't really, I'd love to keep it further like longer, but you can't. - I already see kids and I was going to primary school with phones now. I'm like, that's, that's, that's the thing you're creating. - Why would you give the phone to a kid early? That's what I don't understand. - Oh my god, yeah. - Some parents are like, oh, it's means that we can keep in touch with them. It's like, but they either at school or they're at home or they're friends. - Yeah, yeah. - Exactly. - And the problem has been they get a bit older. If you keep it away from them for longer, then they can't. - Then they start to their friends. - Resentings are huge. - That's the only way that can have a landline anymore. So how's to their contact with friends? - Yeah, I don't know what to talk, because they're not on the thing. And their friends are talking about the, they're taking care of their parents and then just like that one, that entire relationship. I don't know how to do this, man. - So you guys are doing a thing for mental health? Is that right? - Yeah, speaking of doing scrolling. - Yeah, no. I mean, doing scrolling is part of the mental health service. - Yeah, so we've done a bunch of mental-athologic videos in the past. - Yeah, because us guys, we love talking about it amongst ourselves. - Yeah. - And we think it's super important to talk about mental health. - And we've done a few before, we've made over like 1500 videos now, which is absurd. And yeah. - Actually, well over that, I think it's nearly 2000. - Probably, man. Just keep cranking them out. We got a convention from time to time and meet the fans and out of the, we've only done a handful of mental health videos before this season of mental health that we've done. But more often than not, like fans would come up to us and the series that they commented on was that thank you for doing mental health episodes. It was a really mental lot. Like an overwhelming amount. We're done like 300, 400 episodes of Epic BcMan or Tech Town. And only like single digits of mental health. And it was like, so this really, really moved us and motivated us to just do a whole lot more. Yeah, I feel it's very, it's just crazy important to even just talk about it. We're not sure, like, fix anything. It's just going, hey, this is a thing. - Yeah. And also, and throw a little bit of comedy in. - Interesting comedy. - Just kind of being like, it's a thing. And if you can talk about it and have a little bit of a laugh about it, then maybe you can feel better in conversation. - Have a conversation and move towards a better place. - Back just quickly to your content, what's the most viewed things? Well, what's the most viewed piece of content that you guys have produced so far? Can I take guess at the most viewed series? - You wouldn't. - I know. - I'm not going to go ahead. - You won't be able to guess it. - You won't be able to guess the most viewed piece of content. - No, I won't. But the series that's epic NPC man probably be the biggest, does it? - That'd be the biggest. - Yeah. - Yeah, would. - And then I would say average out probably that would be the biggest. - The pub G ones. - The pub G has the biggest single video, but not on verticals. - Yeah. - The normal videos. - I've never played that game, but I watch all the videos. - Yeah, I tell you. - I mean, if you know shooting games, it's a great fun. - Yeah, the biggest one though. - The biggest one is a weird one. It's from one of our survival logic videos, which is a play on kind of like Minecraft and Rust and all of those kind of games is me pretending to be camp mum in like a little penny and talking like, come on kids, let's go and let's go kill the zombies and go go to bite mum. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Something ridiculous. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And was that one when you made it, like, yep, bang it, or were you just like, I don't know. - You never pick them up. - I did for a while try to. I think this one's going to be a hit. - And you just dribble out on YouTube. - Oh, I'm sure. - And then you release one that's just two people having a conversation and it goes, goes, the connects with something. - We learned that lesson a long time ago. - A long time ago, I was just trying. - Like, one day, literally on one day, we made this really high quality music video, which was so proud of and we thought was going to go gangbusters on YouTube. And we had a little bit of spare time in that day. So we also spent about half an hour making a video where Ron gets angry and me and smashes the phone. And that one went significantly more viral on music. - It was crazy. - Days and days and days. - The big one for me was the last of us, the game, the last of us, which is a PlayStation exclusive, that just was my favorite game ever and we spent an entire day on one sketch. Because I was pushing for exercise, I know this is going to be a good game for me. And we really just got nothing. I was like, I am never taking the initiative every game. - Okay, so the learnings there are, it's impossible to perk. - There must be something that you can work out. That doesn't work. - I mean, some people can game the algorithms. - There are some people can. - But it's hard. - It's just hard. There are some safer bets, I think. We're safe for us now to keep making out the comfort food content. I'll be picking my cement and tecton. Because we know those will just be well received. But I think as a general rule, it's impossible to pick what's going to go up. - Yeah. - Well, we can pick things that aren't going to go well and we put a lot of those out. - Yeah, good on you man. - We're still waiting for the one. - Good on you for keep grinding. - It's a matter of time. - That's how it's supposed to be. - Hey, thanks very much for coming in guys. - Have a nice time. - Have a nice time. - Scraight and so stoked for your successes. Keep doing what you're doing. People are very proud of you. - And if any jobs pop up, just don't forget their tools for that. - We have not forgotten. - Yeah man. - That'll be our way. - Jerry and Manaya catch the radio show from six till ten week days. the Hodaki breakfast.