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Please look out for my lizard. She's on a walkabout. I just love what you've done with the place here. Oh, thank you. We're over here in the Sycamore Studios. Jo's joining me today. Andy will be back next week. We're not going to do a recording on Monday. I'm giving Andy Memorial Day off from Euphoria. What a kind boss you are. I want to clip that for him. But we will be back. If something really super significant happens on Euphoria, maybe Andy and I will record on Tuesday. Define significant. Rude eyes. Multiple plot lines convert. Oh, okay. Jacob Valorti has something to do. Jules and Jacob Valorti show up in like a similar scene. Oh, Jules has lines. That makes sense. Exactly. But today we're going to talk a little bit of Survivor, a little bit of The Burrows, which is a new show on Netflix that I checked out two episodes of. I watched two. Good. I want to talk to you obviously about Widow's Bay. Andy and I will hit it harder next week. But I had a fun idea for us where I think episodes four and five are elite television, two of the best episodes I've seen this year. And it got me going down a little bit of a best episodes run of TV series. And let me tell you, that was a fun little list to look at. I don't often think of things in terms of like the runs that they're on. That's more of like a Bill Mind thing. But I really enjoyed thinking about these. And there were some really obvious like ones that jumped out. And we're going to talk a little bit of Survivor. Yeah. In fact, just good for the sake of newsiness. And you can hit us up at The Watch at Spotify.com. And you can follow us at The Watch Pod underscore on Instagram, Ringer Dash TV. We can also watch Prestige TV on YouTube and listen to us on Spotify or wherever you like, honestly. Transistor Radio. Maybe Andy and I are still broadcasting from a far away time. How are you? Are you good? I'm great. How are you? I just had to do my spiel. That's great. This is my fifth podcast of the week. So I'm feeling in the groove. I know that you're probably there too. But we both found time to watch a little bit of Survivor. So spoilers for anybody who hasn't watched the finale yet, I guess. I had to stay up quite late to watch it because it did not go to Paramount Plus until the wee hours. You guys just did a house of our crossover with Tyson and Riley earlier in the week. So I know that you're locked in. What did you think of the finale? Were you a fan of how things were executed? How do you usually watch Survivor? That's a question I have for you. I usually turn it on at on Paramount Plus. And then I will be completely candid with you and our listeners and say that after about 12 seasons that like we started really watching it in earnest in my household during the pandemic. Yeah. After about like 12 or 13 or 14 seasons, we may have gotten a little bit quick with the trigger finger when it comes to skipping the physical challenges. Oh, yeah. So we get it down to about like 40 minutes an episode by just being like, we're social players. I'm and after the challenges. Do I need to unlock like maybe I don't have the elite tier of Paramount Plus because I thought it was like it only hit. I had thought I had to watch it on like Paramount Live TV, but maybe it's just I needed to wait for East Coast after midnight for it. Yes, it's I think it goes up at like 10, 10, 15 on Paramount Plus. But like many nights I have been sitting there like refreshing, like it's getting too late to start. It's getting too late. OK, I thought when they said it will post the next day, they meant like the next day. So I've been I've been watching television on Paramount Plus, like starting it up right at eight o'clock. I have to be home and I've been like watching. Oh, OK. Do you have cable? No, I'm like, I know. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, I don't. I have just. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. That I still have cable. I don't know. Yeah. Like I watch. I don't know what. Yeah, because I don't watch a lot of network stuff. And if I do, I'll just like watch it next day on Hulu. That's how I watch Marshalls. You know, the only thing is like you don't want to get spoiled for Survivor and stuff like that. So I've been watching it like old school, like before VCR television. I've been watching it like before VCR television. I've been watching it like television. I've just been because you can't record off Paramount Plus. So I was just like, I have to be home at eight o'clock. Did you grow up in a the channel stays on one channel all night family? Kind of. Well, I mean, they used to block program in a way. National news. Yeah. Like, did you guys. Yes. A one one. Yeah. It was like Jeopardy into. Yeah, absolutely. But we. But for this, I went to a finale party at someone's house. Lovely. And it was like, I don't know, a room full of people. And I knew two people. But the point you're making about skipping through physical challenges, Survivor, I don't think you need to watch every single second with like all of your attention. I agree. And so to watch it with a rowdy room of people where they were talking over, usually talking over television bothers me. It did not. It did not because like I don't need every single second, especially in the Jeff patter in the live finale interview stuff. And, you know, spoilers for what's happening. Right. We were all very invested specifically in certain people not winning. Yeah. So once Tiff was out, which was a huge bummer for the room. Yes. Everyone except for one person was Team Aubrey. So like we were yelling and very excited. And I have not watched Survivor in that way. It felt like I was in a bar or something like that, where it's just sort of like everyone's blood was up and they were really excited. You know, because a couple I feel like there's been I'd have to like look at the actual champions over the last couple of years. But it felt like I was in a bar or something like that. And it felt like I was in a bar or something like that. And I feel the way about Survivor finales that I feel about the Super Bowl, which is if my team is not playing, I treat it as like sort of a grand piece of entertainment, but not as something I'm as invested in. And I get a little melancholy during Survivor finales because I really like having like a rowdy room. Yeah. Regular Wednesday appointment television. There's two things to talk about. There's the actual gameplay and who won. Yeah. And then there is the snafu that occurred that basically happened when Survivor finales often cut back and forth between the game that has been taped in Fiji or on Fiji and then 10 months ago, whatever it is. And then the live L.A. studio finale show that Jeff is doing. So was that like a Paramount or something? I mean, yeah, it was the Paramount. Yeah. And this year, this season, season 50, which has been this sort of coronation for the show. Jeff screwed up. It seems like Jeff screwed up. I don't know. No, he definitely. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if somebody was in his ear being like, and now tell him, like, send Rizzo to the jury or whatever. But we were about to get our fire making competition. I hate fire making. I think it's a really unfair way of deciding who goes to final three. But it's tradition. It was going to be Rizzo versus Jonathan. Did he imagine Jonathan was going to probably. When Jonathan could like start a fire every single day. His brain. His freaking homelander. Someone I was watching with was like, Jonathan should start his fire at the fire making, just like looking at Rizzo and just like, because he doesn't need to concentrate at all. He can do it in his sleep. But Jeff does a little stand up interview with Rizzo. And then in the middle of it, before the fire making takes place, he's doing we're about to see fire making and Rizzo, why don't you join the jury? And it was described to me as an a text before I saw it was, oh, make sure you watch tonight. There's a La La Land Moonlight. Yeah. Yeah. Now I thought what that meant was like Jeff got the count wrong for the final vote, which obviously would be very difficult. But what did you what was kind of going through your mind when you saw this happen? Were you like, is this a technical problem? So the people I was watching with, we started late so that we could fast forward through commercials. And the person was on the fast forward. Everyone in the room started accusing him of like missing the fire, you know, because it was like clear. As soon as Rizzo comes out and there's an empty stool with the rest rest of the jury, you're like, okay, but like, what did we miss? I was talking to Tyson and Ashley because they're here recording Pot of Spoken. And I was like, what was it like in the room? And basically, because so many people had to do their job incorrectly for that to have happened. Every single PA, every single producer, every single person just like let this happen because they play the episode in the room on the big screen. So like they're watching it and it was clear that they had not shown fire making yet. Tyson said he was sort of zoning out because they had already watched the finale. So like he was not, he was like, he's like, wait, didn't they not show fire making yet? He said, Ashley and Tyson said that Dee, who we couldn't see on the camera, she was like the far left of the jury, that she was like gesturing to Jeff to be like, cut it. That Rizzo kind of tried to say like, did I? Like, whatever. But yeah, the, I guess it was like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I, but I still don't understand how it was allowed to go. Like no one stopped him. It's also funny that it's not like a Saturday Night Live. Like we'll catch it for the West Coast thing. I guess once the cat's out of the bag, the cat's out of the bag. He did so many bits about it throughout the rest. Yeah, I guess that would have killed it. Yeah, exactly. But yeah. As far as the winners of spoilers again, obviously we're into this, but Aubrey wins. So who did you want to win? Aubrey. Oh, entirely. Yeah. Like, was this a Super Bowl? Up until a certain point, I was really hoping Seri would win because I wanted to see, to me, her gameplay is the other side of being a physical beast and camp beast. Yeah. And she's just like, one of the reasons why I skipped challenges is I'm like, I don't actually think people, Seri's never really held accountable for not being good at challenges. You know what I mean? Rizzo either. Rizzo lost every single thing. So if there's really no like, hey, you're holding us back. Now, every once in a while in the beginning of seasons, you'll be like, hey, we need to win some challenges. We need to win some food. Yeah. You're out. But as it goes on, I feel like the physical challenges are really just for the immunity necklace. So it's like, I'll find out who won, but it doesn't matter how people performed. So I was cheering for her. I think she obviously ceilinged out because at a certain point, you have to sort of say like, if we go to the final three of the series, she's going to win. I think she got out on like an unfair twist, but the two twists of the game where they randomly divided the tribe into, you know, mini tribes. Yes. That's what like screwed Genevieve out of the game earlier this season when they did it. And that's what screwed Seri out of the game, because if she had had access to everyone to weave her spell. Of course. Which she used to protect Ozzy, her ride or die all season. Yes. Ozzy would not have been voted out. If Ozzy wasn't voted out, then Seri is less vulnerable, you know, and like the Rizzo, like Rizzo didn't want to go to the end. She had Tiff. So I feel like if Ozzy hadn't been so dumb and if they hadn't divided the tribes the way they did, like there was a path for her to the end. It was a narrow path. I wonder if she's ever like practiced fire making. Like if you're Seri and you're like that good at social, do you think you're either like, OK, so like because she's always going to eventually be like, who's been running this game? Oh, like me. Seri is. I was happy for Aubrey. Respect. I think it's useful to ask you about this. Like we can watch television sometimes and lose ourselves in it. But then a lot of times we'll watch a show and we'll kind of be like, I kind of see the seams or the stitching and where we're going with this. I'm actually kind of a useful way of looking at the Burroughs. And, you know, now that, you know, Aubrey won, it's been obvious, I guess, for like six episodes that she was going to win because they really started giving her. Well, she kept saying now is when my game began. She said that four or five episodes in a row. I will say this. And I we do have proof of this. Mallory and I entered a survivor pool this season, the same pool. I entered it last season. I did win last season. We did not. We did not win this season. We got second place, though. But part of like the pool is you have to pick your, you know, your final champion. We picked Aubrey only because in the very first episode, there was that extremely weird Genevieve and Aubrey conversation that just was like, it can only be one of us. Yeah. Yeah. And it was just sort of like we thought it had to be one of them. We were like, it's either Genevieve or Aubrey. Otherwise, why is this socially minded, like C-suite Denzians? Yeah, exactly. I was just sort of like play from the middle. There's just like no reason this scene is here because it was just so awkwardly shot and edited that unless they were trying to seed something from the very beginning for one of them and we weren't sure which we picked Aubrey. We also picked Genevieve to go far. She didn't. But we didn't win. But that that was my only editing clue early on that. But otherwise, Aubrey wasn't getting like a great edit early on. So I don't know in terms of like for a while we were like, oh, is it Christian? Because they're focusing so much on Christian. She's just such a good narrator. Is it Devon's, you know, because he's so entertaining, et cetera, et cetera. I was worried it was Jonathan. But yeah, it's complicated in terms of I really loved analyzing a reality show edit to try to like see what stories they're trying to create. It was especially challenging, I think, with Survivor 50 because they were really trying to craft these. Rizzo, remember when you lost at fire making? You're about to, you know, they're like, what can we craft where we can use archival footage to really like stitch together the history of Survivor and make this person's downfall feel like connected to previous games? So they were working overtime to craft certain stories. So they were working overtime to make this person's downfall feel like connected to previous games? Yeah, they maybe spent, to my taste, a little too much time indulging like some character work that wound up not really paying off. Like the coach thing kind of wore out its welcome for me pretty quickly. I feel like, yeah, like Christian's an amazing player who I just think is a great play-by-play guy for Survivor, but like ultimately got so much camera time. But then it's like, how early do you want to start tipping your hat towards Aubrey? I don't know. I don't know. Aubrey. It was almost better that they did it this way. Well, and I think it's interesting because one of the complaints, especially after the Zac Brown episode is when people were sort of ranking confessionals, they were like, Zac Brown has more airtime than Tiff. Yeah. And then, but Tiff was someone who went a long way in the game. So they saved a lot of the Tiff stuff for later. Yeah. And that's a strategic edit, but it also, you know, pissed a lot of people off because they're like, why aren't you showing these various players at all and get Zac Brown the fuck out of here? Which I agree with. Mr. Beast gone. Tyson's, uh, over the course of the season and advice that Tyson has given again and again on his podcast is if you're auditioning for Survivor, the number one thing you need to be able to do is exactly what you're saying is tell a story. So if you can convince them that when you sit down for a confessional, you'll have a really fun and dynamic way of describing what has happened or what you're thinking. That's the number one thing they're looking for. Yeah. They're looking for like people who look, like in a swimsuit. Yeah. They're looking for people who are good at challenges. Yeah. They're looking for, you know, quirky characters, but that narration is something they need from everyone in the group. Yeah. Especially, I think also part of the problem was that they had such good orators on this season was that tribals wound up being dominated by like the same four people, like in a good way for television, but probably at Tiff's expense, maybe a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. I mean, I thought it was a really entertaining season. Like I said, like there's always like a bit of a, like the finale is not actually survivor, you know, to me. Yeah. Um, I guess it's been a while since we've had just like a gobsmacking amazing. I mean, I will say the way they edited Aubrey going into her final immunity challenge where she's just sort of like, these guys don't want me to go to the final three. So I need to win this immunity. And then as soon as the room I was watching and saw what the challenge was, people were up off their feet because they were like, she could win it. That's not something that Jonathan's going to dominate. So it was just sort of like, and did production do that? Cause they wanted Aubrey to go far. Who knows? But like that was, to me was the most exciting, like Tiff losing the biggest, like, oh man, now we're stuck with these chuckle fucks. And then, and then Aubrey, uh, getting a challenge she could actually win. I can't believe Joe was like, I never lied until I lied once. And that was like his whole story. He made his whole thing. Like I lied when I needed to. And I was like, where did the honor integrity thing go, Joe? 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And I think they don't need to do that really because they have the platform. So shows wind up just becoming wildly successful with or without like a traditional promo. So this is from Jeffrey Atlas and Will Matthews who did a very well-regarded Dark Crystal. I liked it. Reboot? Like spitting off? How would you describe it? Reimagination. Yeah. Called, what was it called? Oh, The Age of Resistance. And they created this series. It's executive produced by the Duffer Brothers who this is their second series that they've EP'd for Netflix this year. The other one being Something Very Bad is About to Happen. About to or going to? I can't remember. About to. About to happen. Which I loved. Which you did love. And so they've shown themselves as able to guide shows. I think they definitely have like. I think more successfully in some of these, like, you know, the Weiss and Benioff deal or whatever. Like there's just a real Duffer Brothers ethos that seems clear inside of these shows. It feels. Yeah. And I was almost surprised watching these first two episodes. So just as like a brief, the logline is in a seemingly picturesque retirement community, a group of unlikely heroes most banned together. to stop an otherworldly threat from stealing the one thing they don't have, dot, dot, dot, time. This is basically set at a Villages-esque retirement community, but with maybe a few MAGA-inclined seniors who are trading STDs. I don't know if anybody has ever seen the Villages documentary, but it's quite a thing. The show opens with a very like amblin'd out set piece with Dee Wallace, who people will know from E.T. and Ed Begley Jr. about what seems to be an alien and lots of hints and lots of Easter eggs and stuff. And then turns into a really well-observed, occasionally amusing, really well-acted, given the cast, show that is basically like fine for 45 minutes and then has in each episode like a pretty. What the fuck? Yeah, last five minutes. And so the Duffers know what they're doing. Alfred Molina plays the main character, Sam Cooper, who's a widower who's just moved to the Burroughs. Alfred friggin' Woodard plays an ex-investigative journalist who is living there with her husband, Art, who is played by Clark Peters from The Wire, who plays like a stoner who's kind of just doing yoga and playing golf, but also some other stuff. Dennis O'Hare plays a terminally ill resident of the facility. And then Gina Davis is somehow qualifying for senior citizen now. They keep iterating like we're in our 60s. We're spry young. We're the youth of the city. They had the courage here. What did you think of the. Bill Pullman, also very important inside of this. Yeah. To your point, the cast. Like, you know, when I watched the trailer, I was like, wow, this incredible cast that they've assembled. And also like, do I feel my age that, you know, these actors. Especially when you see like Bill Pullman and Gina Davis and you're just thinking about A League of Their Own or something like that. You know, like these actors who we grew up with were like, oh, they're populating the retirement community. Is this what people felt like when they watched Cocoon in the 80s or whatever, you know? Seriously. Very Stranger Things meets Cocoon energy. The Amblin, you know, swing that they're making, which they obviously made with Stranger Things. Stuff rattling on the shelves. Yeah, all of that stuff is here. The cul-de-sac, et cetera. But it's so well acted. Yeah. And I was just sort of like. I was thinking, I was like, if this show were a bunch of 60-somethings that I've not seen in other things, I'd be far less interested. But just 60-something influencers who just popped into TV. Oh, my God. Yeah. The TikTokers are going to get old, man. That's tough. But Alfred Molina's so good. Bill Pullman's so good. Ed Bickley Jr.'s so good. Geena Davis, Alfred Wetter, Clark Peters, fantastic. And so it's just, you know, it's just really well done. And a script that I'm not sure is. And the other question I have, we've only watched the first two episodes, but this is the perfect kind of fun theory show. There's just a lot of music. There's a lot of mysteries. It's very like, don't worry, darling, what's happening here sort of thing. But it's a binge drop. And so by the time that some of your listeners are listening to this, they've already watched the full season and they know what happens in the show. We still are like, what's in the walls? And where is the key? And what's happening, you know? That's like, I was kind of thinking about that because we're about to talk about these two episodes of Widow's Bay that have been coming out once. It's a weekly episodic drop. And the way in which one episode can build on another and now, like, I think anticipation for the sixth episode of Widow's Bay will be at, like, this fever pitch after these last two. And you just don't get that with this. And in some ways, I feel like they almost write these shows knowing that. I'm not sure some of these things get sold to Netflix and may get recut lately. But, like, this was probably, I think, if it comes from the Duffers, like, brought through the Duffers deal that they had with Netflix for the pre-existing one before. And guys who've worked for Netflix before. Yeah. Yeah. It really does feel like if you cut together all of the domestic, like, Alfred Molina scenes of him having, like, reveries of his late wife played by Jane Kazimeric. Is that right? Kazimeric. Yeah. Who people know from Malcolm Middle. Yeah. Or Alfre Woodard sitting at her breakfast nook kind of thinking about stuff. Like, that's this domestic drama that I don't know if you would be able to distinguish necessarily episode one from episode three because there's a lot of repeated kind of gestures and scenes. Yeah. But then all the stuff that's, like, lore and the weirdness of this. Who's stealing the rose quartz. Yeah. And all of Geena Davis's stuff from her arts and crafts studios getting stolen. And there is, like you said, Don't Worry Darling, like, a little bit of a Stepford Wives element to what's going on with the guy who runs this place. The founder. Yeah, exactly. All the stuff with Seraphim, which, you know, is a, like, basically alien presence angels. Which is what they call their Alexa in this place. And all of the condos are kind of hardwired with this. But Alfred Molina very specifically ripped his out of the wall when he got there. He's an engineer. Everybody's got their little special skills. That's the thing. We've got a doctor. We've got an investigative journalist. And we've got Geena Davis who's into crystals, which will come in handy. So, like, everyone having their occupation that will be helpful. But also, I agree. Something I really do appreciate is this idea of, like, a vulnerable, and you get this with kids, but a population that no one's going to believe or is easily dismissed. Or they can be like you're having, you know, maybe you're starting to have dementia. Ed Begley Jr.'s character of, you know, in the first couple episodes here. But yeah, so watching Alfred Molina, who, something I do appreciate about these episodes, and again, I've only seen two, is, like, how we're not so far ahead of, like, he's quick on the investigative beat. Yes. You know, and he will probably draw the rest of them into this as they go forward. But, like, you know, he's already, like, I saw something, and I'm not believing the story they're telling about what I saw. I'm not even, like, so old that I need to be here. So I know I saw something at the end of the first episode. And so he's already investigating. So it's not like we saw the thing which we did in the, in the cold open, and we're just waiting around for people to figure out that there's, like, aliens in this show. Yeah. They're with us. But how quickly, like, when he talks to his daughter, the great Jenna Malone is here, like, that, how quickly he sounds unhinged. And how easy it's going to be for him to be discounted. Yeah. And so, like, that, that, you know, the commentary that the show can make, about how we treat our elders and how we dismiss our elders is a potentially rich vein inside of the show. I mean, this is also, I'll say, set in New Mexico, shot in New Mexico, and, like, the Vince Gilligan universe, I think it's always nice when a show is just like, yeah, this is where we're shooting it. So, like, we're going to have, not elements of New Mexico culture, but, like, it looks like the kind of place where you're like, how, like, where is this village? And it's like, New Mexico is the kind of place that those people places pop up. Middle of the desert. Like, Area 51's over here and then right next to this. Tellingly. Yeah, exactly. And, yeah, I think it just, like, looks really good. I have this weird thing with shows like this, which I would describe as, like, a B-tier Netflix show where the binge is almost like, if I don't keep watching this right now, I may just stop. Yeah. You know? And, but I, I like, I enjoyed what I watched and I'll try to give it some more. To your point about the launch, I watched this a couple days ago I started, we had the screeners for it. I started the screener and then you're like, Like, hey, I want to talk about the show. And I just opened up Netflix and realized it's now out. You know, like, and there was just no fanfare between when it moved from my screener row to like, it's just a show that's out there. But I'll be curious. I remember watching the trailer when it came out earlier this year. And I was like, this could either really be something or just vanish into the ether. I think a lot of older people have Netflix. Also, I will say that there's a lot of really good details, especially in the first episode of like the Dee Wallace character, like watching Jeopardy and answering all the questions and then kind of watching Golden Girls. And like, there's some really like good understanding without being condescending. The CPAP machine being like, and Bill Pullman's great in what we get from him. Have you watched the trailer? Of this? No. Okay. Then I won't say what I saw. Does it give further like. It gives an indication of something that's going to happen that I am uninterested in happening. Oh, okay. So you let me know when you get there. We'll have to check that out. You'll know when it is. I will. I want to talk to you about Widow's Bay. Yes. We can do this one of two ways. We can do the episodes thing first and talk about Widow's Bay second, or we can just chat. I know you've been discussing it with Rob, so I don't want to make you double it up too much. Episode four is my favorite episode of television I've seen this year. So I'm happy to talk about it as much as possible. And I will spoil Andy's takes where he is like, this is probably the best thing I've seen this year, like by far. Yeah. Um, I have also started to notice anecdotally more and more people being like, holy shit, Widow's Bay. Like, so it does feel like it's starting to get like a little bit of heat in the streets. Have you noticed that? Um, Van was just in here and I had been hammering him to watch it and he was like, yeah, and then I was on the phone with Chris and Chris was like, hang up the phone and watch it. I was like, oh, I see. When I told you to watch it, you didn't, but Chris told you to watch it and you did. He's like, no, both of you are equally important. Anyway, you got Van to watch it. Devil and Angel on his shoulder. You loved it. Van is the devil on both of our shoulders. That's correct, correct. Yeah, absolutely. It's kicking up in the conversation, which is great. It deserves it. Like, it is so, it's a miracle of a show is how it feels. You know, I was reading a recap of it on Vulture and I realized that I am not actually like, I'm so blown away by A, the comic performances and just the staging of the whole thing and how for me, even just watching on my screen at home, three-dimensional, the town feels already where I'm like, oh yeah, and I kind of know where this is and now they have to drive here and I've already settled so into the landline technology and like all these things about it that I have not really been like hardcore clocking the underlying lore of the town that I think is going to become increasingly important over the second half of the season. And we get a little bit of this at the historical society in this most recent episode. Shout out, Jerry. It speaks to the wonder of the show where it's like, it's there, it's going to matter, but it is in so many shows that would be foregrounded. There is a lesser version of this show that is like, what do you mean the mayor's wife? You know, like from like, we're piecing together all this stuff and this is so confident in the moves it's pulling and the characters it's developed that they can have that kind of like down in the, down in the faders. I agree with you. And I think there's confidence, there's confidence across the board, like with their, you know, something that Rob and I are tracking in our coverage is like, you know, we're doing sort of, it's hard to talk about comedy in a week to week kind of way. Tell me about it. It's comedy month of rewatchables. It's difficult. But like the categories that we're sort of trying to frame this around, we have something that's like obvious joke and then there's something that's throwaway joke. Yes. And those are kind of hard to distinguish on this show, but there's just so many little jokes of like something written down somewhere and the camera doesn't zoom in on it and make sure you saw it. It just rewards you if you took the time to look at it. Did you see Katie Dippold on Script Notes? Script Notes, yeah. And so this is John August and Craig Mazin's podcast where they talk a lot about like the very fine details of like screenwriting and production. And Mazin is just like, I am in awe of this show. Like you guys, do you know how hard it is to shoot that much at night? Do you know how hard it is to like get your production design team to make the teeth game and it's going to be a one, second throwaway joke, but it's like- It's just some pliers in a box. Someone, and I know from talking to Andy how hard that stuff is when he was working on Briarpatch and he was like, yeah, like I want, like he was like, we wanted to do this beer label on our beer bottles, but we couldn't. So we had to do, you know, it's like, and he's like, and that took like a week, a week of like cumulative meetings about this beer bottle that's going to be in the back of a scene and to see it get like, I'm picking up on those little things and it's just, it's encapsulated in the Chris Fleming performance in this most recent episode to speak to your point about obvious joke and throwaway joke. Yeah. Where, I mean, the funniest thing that I've seen this year is him being like, just don't look at a mirror and then he closes the door and it's a full door mirror. It's just really fucking good. I just also really love the delivery of like when Patty reckoned and she's like, Todd O'Connor? And he's like, hey, Patty, you know, just like a real throwaway. Is that Coke? Yeah. You know? Or like, I have to go because my girlfriend's cat absconded or whatever. It's just so funny. Chris Fleming is so good in this episode. But also just like something that Rob and I did in our coverage of episode five is we went through like drug trip episodes that have been like really great throughout TV history. It's a formula that like almost always hits for me. But I really appreciated, you know, going back and looking at like Mad Men episodes or that Roseanne episode, et cetera, et cetera. I love the artistry of- Alex P. Keaton on caffeine pills. There you go. Yeah. I love the artistry of the lights going out and coming back up as Tom blips in at a time. And it's just sort of like, especially when he's, when you come up on the gas station and the car is just sort of like, you know, off kilter and just like all the lights come back on on the set as Tom is waking up. And it's just like, it looks incredible. Who, I always forget her name. Who's the actress who plays the woman who's with him at the gas station? Oh, Rosemary. Dale. Dale Dickey. Dale Dickey. Yeah. She has now been present for two, like, the fact that she is there for Patricia's witch ceremony. Yeah. Burning Man. Yeah. And then also for Tom's gas station and is completely not blessed by either of them. Unbothered. Knew about the hag. Heckled Tom into the hotel. What does Rosemary know? What has she seen that this is just like completely unbothered? I hope that she, that's the thing also about this series. I've been thinking a lot about X-Files just because I know they are going to, they're obviously rebooting it with Ryan Coogler and Daniel Debweiler. But, I saw that there's like a Chris Carter director's cut coming of I Want to Believe on DVD. Oh my God. On Blu-ray. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So I've just been thinking about like, maybe what a miracle that show is, but also like those were, we had something where it was like, you can make something that flits in between the monster of the week and the season long story and the larger conspiracy. And I don't know that they want to make this show for eight years and ever put up episodes and episode numbers like X-Files. But there's no reason why this couldn't have like a slow horses run where they are like. I'm curious about that. Like how long they can sustain the mysteries and the lore. Like how much is going to be wrapped up at the end of this season? How much do they have, does Katie have the mentality of that a lot of TV creators have now, which is like put everything on the board because you don't know if you're going to get another season or how much is she thinking about it in a long-term kind of way? You know, it's so funny you should mention that because I was, when I was looking at episodic runs in great TV shows and maybe even not all-time great TV shows but great episodic runs and so many of them, you can see the way TV changes as you go through the years to, you know, we have to go back. Lost. It would probably be in like the first season if they were doing Lost today. Yeah, but also they wouldn't even, like by the time we have to go back, you're 60 episodes into Lost. Yes. To go back to your X-Files point, I was actually just talking to a friend of mine who's watching it for the first time right now, X-Files and she's like, I don't know that I, I don't know that it's as good as everyone was hyping it for me and we were talking about why, you know, I was like, you got to get to the Darren Morgan episodes and she got to the Darren Morgan episodes and she's like, okay, sometimes great but there's a lot of stretch and so, and she's a huge Buffy Vampire Slayer fan so they were running similar, at the similar time with similar episode counts so why does that show work for her and this one doesn't? And we were talking about the depth of the cast because in Buffy Vampire Slayer or in Widow's Bay, we have a whole town of people that I am invested in and with X-Files, it's just Mulder and Scully. Like, you've got some other characters but it's really, meeting these people. It's really just Mulder and Scully and the beauty of a 22, 24 episode season, the example I always love to bring up is from Lost which is the season three episode Trisha Tanaka is dead where they just, Hurley and Jyn and Sawyer and Charlie get a VW van restarted. That's the episode basically and a lot of people like think it's a throwaway but it's not because you're just investing in characters and you're spending time with characters. And they get to interact with each other. And so those 22, 24 episode season, you know, The Pit does this really well where we're just, we have like a broad swath of characters. It's inviting us to just hang with them and spend time with them and emotionally invest in them and that's what Widow's Bay is doing really well. Like, the sort of, horror trope of the week thing that they're doing is really funny, but also, like. I'm invested in Patricia being shunned by all the girls she went to high school with. I'm invested in Tom's relationship with his son. You know, like I care about Wick and Jerry's like dating background, you know? And like, I'm interested in what's going on with Rosemary. What's Ruth Steele? And what's happening with Dale? You know, and this is the Katie Dippel Parks and Recreation DNA that's inside of the show. But it's just created such, I don't, I would want to hang out with these characters for seasons and seasons of television. I mean, this script has been around for a long time. Like the, the Widow's Bay script. I, I'm curious. I would love to read earlier drafts of it. And I would love to know, because to me the, the iceberg is nobody born on the island can leave the island. That's obviously why he's been keeping his son on the island. Whether or not he, the son is truly like, because I, in my house, we've been debating like, if this gets so naughty, why hasn't he tried to get onto a ferry yet? So does he know maybe intrinsically he shouldn't, that's like the one thing he shouldn't do but if you were to save that for the cliffhanger of the end of the first season. Right. That would be like kind of a little bit more of what traditional TV would do. But instead that's introduced, I think, in the middle of the second episode or something. Yeah. I feel like we're getting a lot of lore really quickly. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's great because, you know, that's something, of course, that's something like Lost, a show that I love, but was accused of withholding answers for and answers. So, yeah. Okay. So I want to do this. A little exercise with you here. Widows Bay is on episodes four and five. Pretend like you have not seen any more Widows Bay. I know that you guys just recorded. They are dropping six and seven together next week. Yeah. Is this a Memorial Day thing? No. I don't think it's a spoiler to say because they've been leading up to this. Episode six is titled Our History. So it's like a flashback sort of thing. So I think they want to drop a more standard episode along with it to make it, you know, to not make you feel like I have to wait another week to check back in with characters I care about. So they've begun this kind of like, I would say episodes four and five, especially for everybody kind of responded to. I loved five as well. Yeah. I mean, you could say three is the hotel episode and you could say they've already gone on a run in this. For the sake of our conversation, I'm classifying a run as three episodes or more. Two episodes is good. Three episodes is a run. And so now that we're watching Widows Bay do this, I wanted to like talk a little bit about when I asked you this question, did you have an immediate response? You know what? So sometimes, you know, whenever I get to go on the watch and you give me prompts, I get excited because I love talking about the history of television. I had already done the homework for this because a year ago when Mal and I were doing like our Buffy rewatches in Buffy Vampire Season 2 is my all-time favorite run of episodes of television. And then I like, I tweeted it out. I said, is this the best run of episodes of television? And then I got a bunch of responses. I was like, I already did my homework for Chris. So that's why it became prompt Twitter. Yeah, exactly. But Buffy Season 2, which is, and normally I would hesitate to bring my like nerdier genre stuff to the watch, but this is Widows Bay. So here we are. Buffy Season 2, which is Surprise and Innocence, which is widely regarded as one of the best sort of turns of a plot that has ever happened in a show where our love interest on the show, Angel the Vampire, loses his soul and becomes. Becomes the villain of the show. And this is just like early Joss Whedon. We didn't know you could do this on television sort of stuff. So that's the two-parter Surprise and Innocence. Incredibly good. Phases, which is this great Seth Green werewolf episode. Just like Seth Green finds out that he's a werewolf. Right, I remember that. Be Wish, Bother, and Bewilder, which is Xander fucks up a spell and like all the girls of Sunnydale want to tear his clothes off. Kind of like Obsession. Yeah. And then Passion, which happens to be my favorite episode of all time of Buffy Vampire Slayer, which again is another spoiler for season two of Buffy, which aired 20 plus years ago. A major character dies in the first time that Joss Whedon ever did that in a way that I was 16 when I saw it. And I was like, I didn't know you could do this in storytelling. Don't think my wife has recovered yet. Yeah. So that run to me, starting with Surprise and Innocence, Phases and Bewish, Bother, Bewildered, though they're the kind of like quirky standalone, there's a werewolf episode, there's a witchcraft episode. They're incredibly good. And then. Passion is just an all-timer and that is just like an incredible run. Did you watch it when it was on? I did. And do you remember being in the throes of like, I literally can't wait for Buffy to be on. This is so incredible. Did you even subconsciously understand that you were watching like a successive episode run kind of? I don't know about. Well, so I'm the exact same age as Buffy. So I was 16 when this was airing. And I think I told this story when. Grew up in a hell mouth. Yeah. We're in County, California. But like, my. I wasn't allowed to watch TV on weeknights when Buffy was airing. I think I probably had gotten in trouble and that was my punishment or something like that. So I had a friend who would tape it and bring it to school for me. It's so clutch. And she brought me Passion. And she was just like, if you can watch this before the weekend, that would be great. Yeah. And I found a way to do it. And I was just. But that was before like, the internet couldn't ruin it for me. We weren't online. We weren't online in that way. So it's not like I was going to get spoiled necessarily. But she just really wanted to talk to me about what happened. And Passion, very specifically, that's when I knew I was watching something incredibly important and special. That you would be thinking about for a long time. Yeah. The rest of my life. That's my number one TV death of all time, I think, just because of when it hit, like who I was, how it changed how I understand how television works. Yeah. I mean, I think that was the thing that was sort of awesome about that nascent period of TV going into what we. what we consider Golden Age and Prestige. Where there's all this rule-breaking happening. But because I don't even know if the executives in charge knew what they had on their hands. Right. So like, obviously, like I know that Buffy had like plenty of budget and, you know, head-butting going on behind the scenes with like their network execs and stuff like that. But like, sometimes you would just be like home on like a Wednesday night watching something and you'd be like, is anybody else seeing this? Right. Like, this is crazy. Yeah. I felt that way when I watched Battlestar Season 1. Oh, yeah. You know, I was just like. Totally. Is this happening? Like, you know. My number one pick for this run that I felt pretty immediately was Succession Season 2, episodes 2 through 4. That's Valter. That's Hunting, which is Borne on the Floor. Safe Room, which is one of my favorite Succession episodes of all time. Is it because of how often you love to throw water bottles in, Andy? It's just. It is the. It is the episode that I think is peaked Jeremy Strong. Yeah. I thought that was the best. And he and. He and. He and Shiv are just like in like another like planetary atmosphere in that episode. That's the hug. It's not going to be me. Yeah. Or whatever. Yeah. And then actually. I love Turnhaven. Turnhaven. I love. That's one of my favorites. The only reason why I sometimes give Turnhaven a demerit is it is also the first time that I got mad at Succession because I did not think Shiv and Kendall were sufficiently acknowledging what had just transpired. Now, you can say like that's just that family and this is also TV and all those other things. But I'm like, they had like this insanely vulnerable moment and Shiv got this incredibly important piece of information that obviously Kendall is being blackmailed not to put himself forward as CEO. Right. And so, why is that not ever even acknowledged in the next episode? Like a real glee moment where like, from episode to episode. And it also felt like they reset and just became like banter twins again. So, Turnhaven is awesome though. But those three, I especially love. I mean, Hunting, incredible. Walter, very good. The thing that Turnhaven does that showcases what Succession does so well is like just introduce you to a whole new cast of characters that you have like mere minutes to sort of get, learn who all these pierces are. And it's just, and it feels very theatrical and they got a bunch of theater talents in to play these roles and I just. It's so funny to go see plays in the intervening years. Yeah. How many pierces are just like in a play. Exactly. Yeah. They just raided Broadway for this episode. But yeah, I love Turnhaven. It's like the pierces and all of Gilded Age. Yeah. What was another one that you liked? You already claimed some of my favorites so I will let you get to those. But for, I'll do another one. Another genre one. Doctor Who. I talk about this one all the time. Silence in the Library. This is the end of David Tennant's run as the 10th Doctor. So Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead which is an all-time two-parter set in a library on a planet somewhere. And then Midnight which is my favorite episode of Doctor Who which is like a stand-alone David Tennant with a bunch of random characters on a train and it's just this bottle episode chamber horror piece like essentially like an Agatha Christie horror thing. That happens on a space train. I love Midnight. Turn Left which is, which then showcases the companion of that season and then Stolen Earth and Journey's End which is, it was like Avengers Endgame before Avengers Endgame. They brought back all the characters. All the characters from all the seasons for this incredible like two-parter. That is, you know, and I think Tennant is the best Doctor we've ever had and they just gave him banger after banger and Stephen Moffat who wrote Sun, "The Library: Forest of the Dead." Like, this is a real audition. for him to take over, which he did when Matt Smith started as the Doctor. Is it widely regarded by other Doctor Who fans as like peak Doctor Who? Or is that like a. I will say, or is this a joke? I will say Silence in the Library of the Forest of the Dead is widely regarded as like an incredible two-parter. And then the two-parter at the end of the run. Midnight in turn left because they are so odd. But I think in the side of these runs, and this is a good case. I'll be curious what you think of Widow's Bay episode six. Can you have a run of like two episodes that are very much in keeping with the show? And then a diversion. Yeah, one that's like sort of off that. If it's incredibly good, does that just prove what the show can do even more? Yeah, and it's funny that I picked Succession and I was looking at some of the big blockbuster shows that we've covered over the years. And I was going through Thrones seasons. Yeah. The run up to the children is like incredible. I agree. But then you also look at the five episodes before that and you're like, those are pretty good too. Can I just do all of season four? Yeah. So that's it with genre shows and especially with shows that are adapted maybe. Or 10 episode seasons. You know. Yes. My next one was, I just, I forgot that this was the case. The last three Better Call Saul episodes before Breaking Bad time takes over. And this is basically the end of Howard and Gus's chest maneuvering. With Lalo about the meth lab. Holy shit. Yeah, holy shit. I was watching clips from this last night to refresh my memory. And like Kim with Lalo and all the stuff that Mike is trying to. Lalo shows up at their, yeah, at the apartment. Dude. And also we were just so locked in because they had their plan in Post-its. And so we were just sort of, I was like pouring over the Post-its. And like, and the end of Howard is so tragic. And what's happening to Kim in that moment is so hard to watch. But irresistible. And you want to root for Jimmy and Kim, but you're like, what are we doing? But she's just self-aware enough to be like, I've, my soul died here. So like, we can't be together anymore. Oh, it's so good. And then, not for nothing, they just do more episodes of Breaking Bad after that. Which is fucking crazy. But yeah. I had a Better Call Saul run from the previous season, which is Wexler versus Goodman. Oh my God. JMM, Bagman. Bad Choice Road. Something Unforgivable. That might be better. This is just, Better Call Saul was just unbelievable. Unbelievable television. Let me ask you one. Did you have, so I put down Andor, the prison arc, eight through 10, season one. Did you have a different Andor arc? I do. Only because I saw you put the prison arc on there. And the Narkeena arc is so good. But the Gorman arc in season two, I think also, and like this, Andor's a perfect, because you have these three episode chunks. And I was like, does the Gorman arc beat the Narkeena arc for me? And I don't know what does, only because the Narkeena arc is where we realize what we had in Andor, right? And you get the Luthan speech and you get the, you know, Loy's speech like in the same fucking episode. Yeah. And it's also like the peak of like, oh, Eben Moss-Backrack's gonna come on for three episode. It's just like, you can't really like feel too safe with anyone. Right. Because your favorite, your favorite character might get killed in two episodes. Absolutely. Nemec, that guy. So, yeah. So the Aldani arc into the Narkeena arc are like of season one are just incredible. The Gorman arc, I think the Gorman arc at the end of the day might be stickier for me because I know you and I were like really into tracking all of the French resistance comps in season two. And then the end of the Gorman arc, which we have the Cyril Cassian showdown, which is one of the best moments in all of the history, of television to me, right? I agree with you, yeah. And then also the feeling we all had that we're almost out of Andor. Yeah, and then is Mon Mothma's escape is the next episode. Is the next episode after that, right? And then we only have two more, you know, like the- And then it's Clea and Lani and everyone else. Yeah, time was just like running the fuck out. And so like that was part of it too, where it was just like, it was just slipping through our hands as we were watching it. Yeah, oh man. 'Cause like when we watched season one, we were like, maybe we'll get five seasons of Andor. And then by the time of season two, you're like, Tony's like, this is it. When I did that pod with Sean, I was watching, I just kept watching the conference room scene of them putting down the shades and being like, okay, you know, we just gotta get it out. What are we gonna do about these Gorman people? And I was like, this might just be like a top five show for me of all time now. What to do about limited series or anthology series here is interesting because I think there's a lower degree of difficulty if you're just gonna do six episodes for your middle block to be really good, you know, like first episode, it's like, okay, meeting these people last episode, there's often a little bit of a kind of like winding down clunkiness to it. Usually I think you and I both have a couple of shows that either intentionally or not intentionally wind up only being one season. I threw out the middle three episodes of Chernobyl. I don't even in my mind have like a, and then this happened and then this happened. I don't have the vibe of it, but I also watched Chernobyl way after the point. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought the end of Chernobyl was a bit not, not my speed, but like the middle is just really great. And then I have episodes three through five of the first season of true detective, which is locked room who goes there, which is the famous tracking shot and secret fate of all life, which is not. So if you have any like limited or one season ones we could do, we could talk about those. Yeah. Far. So far, Fargo season two episodes seven through nine. So did you do this? I know you did it. Lop, lop at the castle. The castle is flying saucer at the, at the motel. Part of it is part of it is like, are these three episodes in isolation? Really good. Yes. But part of it also is the experience of having watched Fargo season one and saying, what is this incredible episode of television Fargo? The best show that's ever happened. That's how Fargo season one happened to like felt at the time. And then Fargo season two happened at another incredible, but at first I was like, I don't know that they have it and I'm unsure about Kirsten Dunst here. And like, is what I want from Jesse Plummins and et cetera, et cetera. Alison told me in a season one or two, two, two. Yeah. And, and then no, she's she's season one. Sorry. Season one. She's season one. Okay. Cause season two is when you have Patrick Wilson playing. That's right. Her dad. Yeah. But Chris Milioti is here. And like all of a sudden it's an incredible cast. Sam McLaren is here, et cetera, et cetera. But when you get to the motel and it's just like fly, you know, Kirsten Dunst saying to Jesse Plummins, yeah, it's a flying saucer and we got a goal. You're like, oh, Fargo season two rips, you know? And so that's when you get the reassurance, the same thing can happen with Andor. Cause I remember the first three episodes of season one of Andor, we were all like, we're not entirely sure. Of season one. Of season one. Yeah. We were like, we're not entirely sure what's going on. And we were like, we're not entirely sure what's going on. three of lost spoilers for lost um is incredible television and spoilers for better call saul too yes sorry howard um but like uh charlie as a character on re-watching lost and you know i did a podcast re-watching every episode of lost and like charlie the character does not work for most of season three because they had the way that damon puts it they arced out charlie they like did all of his stuff too early and then they just didn't know what to do with him right and so they um so he's just like running back the same you know drug loop over and over again and so you're frustrated with his character and and then you get something like greatest hits which is charlie going back through the moments of his life that he's sort of like he he's been given this prophecy you're gonna die brother right and so the episode before he's gonna die and like you know you're watching television you're like are they gonna subvert that what are they gonna do no he just dies force ghosts yeah but but you care so much more about it because you had this episode before which could feel cheap if not done well of just sort of this one character reflecting back on his life and all the little moments that he is proud of a time that he like helped a woman who was getting her purse snatched the time that he was at a community pool with his dad as a kid but it's just it's done so well and and and a perfect encapsulation of what the the lost flashback structure can do yeah that leading into charlie's death which coincides with his big lore it was a flash forward you were watching this whole time moment which like the sort of buffy thing changed television forever and people been chasing that high yeah forever i don't think you beat it it's so good was there a different thrones run no i think the end of four is like because i can i can name you isolated standout episodes yes that i think are better but in terms of like because i really think five is when i think five is when things start going wrong for thrones and that's earlier than a lot of people think uh no that's six six five is like sansa's wedding and stuff like that like i think five is the early germs of things going wrong i remember five when's hard home is five five or six because hard home is when i kind of was like five oh i wonder if it's gonna feel like this where there's like two or three episodes that are like okay pretty good yeah there's sort of game of thrones episodes but it's a lot of like two people walking and talking and then there is a blockbuster movie and then there's three episodes and then there's a blockbuster movie yeah but for four i remember just being like so fully captivated and also like so so invested with the characters at that point yeah and like the way that um the children ends with a joke we used to make at the time is everyone you love is on a boat like all these people just like getting on a boat to go so the possibility of like opening the world was so exciting part about it and then that's just like a problem they had and the world got too open and they had to bring him back down but four i think is like and on rewatch it's the last for me the end of four is the last time where i'm like they just knew exactly what they were doing yeah it almost is like that's when it felt like they still wanted to keep making it yeah you know or they weren't thinking about or they were excited super excited about it back in los angeles um joe thank you so much oh my god champion for doing this with me i really appreciate it thanks to kai and kaya for producing today andy and i taking memorial day off off i'm sorry to sydney sweeney i hope that whatever happens to you on sunday night will hold until thursday rob and i are going live on sunday this is why you're you no no it's just like ill-advised i think to do a live reaction i just i'm going to pacific northwest man you're living a better life your work-life balance 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