‘Survivor 50’ Episode 9 Exit Interviews! | The Pod Has Spoken

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Christian, how are you feeling after the aftermath, after viewing that episode? Look, I mean, you might not believe me. I'm feeling great. In the scheme of things, like, you got to understand, like, you know, I got to be, I'm a fan of this show. I love my job and I love this show and I got to go on the show not once but twice and on season 50. And not only did I get to go, I got this crazy thrill ride of an adventure the entire time, like top to bottom of things from my perspective that I just like just like a life. Another you feel like you get a lifetime of memories from just like one season of Survivor. I feel like I got a whole nother one out of this. And yeah, the fact that I go out and, you know, you get voted out at one point, it's it's OK. And like, yes, well, the circumstances are crazy, but I'm sure we won't talk about any of that, right? We're going to talk about all of it, but if it's too repetitive for you on the day, then you talk about what you want to, because we like to be unique here. We like to run a conversation with you where you leave us feeling even better about yourself than you did when you jumped on this call. What a great philosophy. Go on. Yeah. So let's get into it. I mean, we know each other, so I think our conversation will flow freely, but I have a couple of bullet points here. Rick's fake idol was also your fake idol. How did you feel about him snagging that last week and then not really including you on its use that much? Was there something you could have done? I mean, obviously, Emily and Rick were left out of the vote, so they couldn't have known that they should have given it to you maybe to flex or something but let's think outside the box here but first of all did rick take that without your knowledge so i mean look we did not explicitly say we're playing it tonight but there's an understanding there was an understanding that if we felt we needed it you could go get it right he even told me before we swapped that like if you're at a tribal council you can go get that you know you can go he told me that so i was always aware of it the only the only thing is he didn't tell me exactly where it was so there were some tribal councils i was like where the heck is it right because you had to fall you couldn't see you didn't see where he placed it no i know i think i saw his head go from up to down and back up again like i saw like so it's clearly somewhere but he told me it's going to go in one place but like anyway there's all this logistical shenanigans with it but like so there's an understanding we could we could we could each play it whenever we felt it i don't blame him for feeling the need to play it because the live tribal started, you know, people getting up and talking to each other, whispering before he ever went and found that. Right. Right. What had happened was someone had tipped off Jonathan or multiple. Someone's had tipped off Jonathan that something was going down with coaching Chrissy, one of whom was Ozzie. And so I was like, Oh, and my, my job, because I was Jonathan's partner, I was the diminutive partner of our, of our, of our giant duo. Um, and so I was like, and I was trying to convince him that I'm voting for, I'm voting for Rick. I'm voting for rick because this was such an existential vote because i felt like not getting rid of coach and chrissy you have a giant alliance of you know old school thinkers who don't like me terror that much uh do they not well i mean i say well coach was talking all kinds of things about me but i think we've actually kind of i actually made some end rows with coach which i had before but but i was concerned that they would seem they would get rid of me at some point letting me take control the game bad existential threat heart of the death star needed to go and so i was lying to jonathan up and down like yes getting rid of rick and rick and aubrey rick and aubrey they're going of course trying to save them right we're all trying to save them and um so once the live tribal starts once rick pulls that thing out right then all of a sudden it's like what's this gonna be and i'm trying to say look that thing could be fake you know i'm sure trying to pretend like i'm going after rick and aubrey and it becomes even harder and harder but he's sad he's got an idol and Stephanie's like, make him show it to you. And I'm like, what do you want me to do? It was crazy. And it was just nuts. So, but the thing is, because it was nuts before he played it, I don't blame him. It was his butt on the line. Now, if I magically was in charge, I'd be like, we got the votes. It's fine. Am I 100% sure that's the case? No, but also I would have kept it. At which point, you know, maybe the next vote plays out differently, but I mean, I don't blame him for going for it. And also let's not skip over the fact that was pretty epic, right? It was pretty crazy. It was awesome. I said last night on the podcast, I would have had to target Rick after that because it was just too cool. Like, you'd just be like, I can't have somebody doing that cool of a thing in front of me without me being the one doing the cool thing. They have to go. Jimmy Fallon, without his existence, would you still be in the game? It's kind of a butterfly effect question here. I mean, I have a biased opinion on this because it's me, but I think there's a strong chance i would have survived that vote only because emily came out swinging to save me to her own detriment which i would by the way um and i had ozzy by the way so i really felt in a lot of ways vindicated in my in my trying to keep emily close to me because i was like yes she she the people talk about the fact that she spills secrets and all that but that that's tactically how emily behaves not strategically and loyalty wise why she behaves and so she came out swinging for me almost went home in my stead, right? And I believe, and again, my perspective, it seems like there are people saying, well, there's already votes on Christian. He's against the wall. Why would you let him get away this time? So it might've been Emily instead. Now that said, that does not absolve me of the mistake of telling Seri about an Aussie plan. That is without a doubt, in my opinion, like the clearest obvious mistake that I wish I could take back. I could reveal it myself, don't do. And it put me in a bad spot but the jimmy fallon twist didn't help they weren't obviously together siri and ozzy when i'm even if i'm going into season i'm feeling like they've been around each other for so many years they how can they not have something oh believe me i'm kicking myself i mean the thing is we we also knew it i mean we talked about it a lot on the original sila tribe right and like that was like oh should in fact there's there's there's lots of talks like you know siri is really trying to protect ozzy right here but like i think just like over the weeks that just sort of washes away amongst all the other politics i think what you know and i think that there's two factors okay and i one well i can only speak for me and so my view of sari i really was investing a lot of like the i was i was really trying to look for an end game option if i didn't have some way to punch through the final three i might as well not even show up on this dang island why am i here and so and sari is one of the few answers to that particular riddle because who also has a hard time punching through this final three in a way that's much more severe than even me, right? Serene, Serene. And so I promised her, I would take her to the end on day one. I said, Serene, look, you might think I'm crazy, but you and I have similar problems to vastly different degrees. We both want to punch through that final three. I know I'm not you, but there will be times where you will be targeted and I would want to protect you. There will be times where I'm targeted and you could protect me. And in the end we could protect each other to go to the end. Now would I go to the end? Probably not, but like, and sure. And so I've invested so much in the game option in Suri. I think it blinded me to the dangers of who she was talking to. Even though it was very clearly there was a middle that I was starting to sniff out with Ozzy. And so I think that's why I missed it. And maybe everyone else I can suspect says like, you know what? Ceri's a good target and shield for me. I want to keep her for now. Cause she might take a bullet later, but if she's just, if she's useful to everyone, she's useful to no one. And we should all realize that. Yeah. I mean, we're watching it and wondering why people aren't realizing it, but it is crazy. That is part of her mystique is that she's so comforting when you are face to face with her and she's so chill and she's so at ease that it just like makes you feel like you're her person. And I think that one thing I think we can appreciate Tyson has mutual reality show contestants that if we make it through the filter of being cast on survivor and you can get on there and yet somehow be chill and blend into the background, you are probably incredibly dangerous. You know, like, you know, there are a lot of us are on this show because we're loud and we talk a lot, right? Not that Ceri, isn't hilarious and entertaining. She absolutely is. I think, and this is why I kind of had like a list of people in the pre-teens, like, do not forget about these people as being threats. And I think the fact that I needed that one big threat at the end to take a bullet for me right before the finals blinded me to like, yeah, she just is that skilled. Right. And sure enough, she was. Well, and also like, you're looking at, you're trying to put yourself in her shoes, I'm assuming and saying, is Christian more valuable to me, Ceri, than an Aussie or than somebody like this? And if you feel like you're more valuable to me, Ceri, than an Aussie or than your pitch to her early about punching through to the final three was more valuable to her than other relationships, then why wouldn't you put your trust in that? Yeah. And I think, and clearly it's audacious. Like I was even talking about like, like if I do this, if I say this, I might look like the biggest idiot on the planet. She might go back to her confessional and laugh at this, at this dumb professor who thinks that she, that he could go to punch, that he would stick up for me to the final three. And she very well might have, maybe audacious play to have some path to the end. Something I never had in my first season. Yeah. Yeah. Was that puzzle more difficult than it looked or did you crack under the pressure a little bit? Because I feel like you easily could have done that puzzle, Christian, based off of what I'm watching. Oh, so, uh, I mean, obviously the pressure got to me. I mean, but the thing is like, uh, there are lots of different kinds of puzzles. Uh, the, uh, the kinds of puzzles I'm really good at. I'm really good at. I'm really good at. I'm really good at these kinds of procedure based puzzles where you try to figure out a sequence, right? Uh, slide puzzles, figuring out a sequence, right? And that's kind of an optimization problem. I have a good eye for that. Even like the opening marooning challenge, there's like a thing where you have to slide oars back and forth and it's a procedure. You save time. And I was like, I was able to optimize that pretty well. A, a jigsaw puzzle, you have to grind out, you have to grind out the solution. And as soon as I saw the jigsaw puzzles, like, Oh, this might be tricky. I actually kind of went assuming it would not be a jigsaw puzzle. Cause I've done so many jigsaw puzzles this season I was like, Oh, I'm not going to do another one. They're going to do something else for this journey. And when I saw like the piece of like, Oh, you're, Oh, they are. Oh, okay. I actually thought it might be survivor trivia. I thought that for Sire 50, I was like, Oh, okay. That, like, that's like the Sire 50, the survivor trivia, they've done physical ones in the past. That makes sense here. But like what happens, I just logistically, in case you care about the details here, Tyson. Yeah, I do. The, the, um, there was a point where I swore there must've been a way for a piece to go into this one spot that it's the only way that it could work. And I spent too much time zeroed in on this one spot and like, Oh God. So it was so, um, and so I spent too much time. So I ended up being a couple of pieces away knowing though, that that jigsaw puzzles, they become exponentially easier as you get down to the end, right? There are fewer and fewer. So I was actually closer than I remembered being given the, but I was still, you know, I was panicking. I honestly, I did choke and I feel really bad about that. It's really sad. And that's why I felt like, you know, how do I turn this into something positive? And I don't want to set a bad example for my son by being too hard on myself, you know? Yeah. I think you played it perfectly. It's okay to be disappointed in failure, but also stand back up and learn from the failure or try again. Like that's, that's it. Right. What else is there to do? If you're winning all the time, then, uh, uh, nobody wins all the time. Nobody's ever won all the time. Like I was like trying to think of somebody who's just constantly winning. I was that moment of heartbreak and maybe internal rage did you think about because i did the aliens showing up and finding a survivor puzzle on the bottom of the ocean in the earth like 300 years from now and be like what the fuck is this i was worried it's like my polluting the ocean by like you know i mean now even if you finish the puzzle the puzzle goes off the edge but like i'm polluting i'm polluting this beautiful ocean and i will say there's something underrated like when i was going out to that journey i was like oh my god i am on a speedboat in the middle of the pacific ocean driving out to a pontoon where there are camera folks waiting to me to do a challenge i i turned to the guy the boat captain i said floor it like what go really fast and so it's like it like there's sort of an underrate like the adventure of the journey there i like i i never stopped to think about how that would feel obviously it was a sadder journey home but the journey out was a blast i was like yeah i didn't even know you could do that i guess request that uh i i never would have thought of that i would have just been like i'm a prisoner to this guy driving this boat i'm just gonna sit here in silence in case i don't want to get in trouble um i bet those puzzle pieces had a half life of 23 trillion years or something though it will be yeah there's some there's some kind of they might be like like that i haven't thought through or become drift could you imagine it washes up as driftwood oh my god like what is this what a souvenir yeah somebody those fans that go out and scour the beaches just to see where it's filmed end up bumping into a puzzle piece that would be the thrill of a lifetime for them uh riley would find it like it's the titanic yes yes everyone's out there now dig looking for the treasure on the bottom of the ocean survivor um riley what do you have christian can you explain how you started fire going way back with the glasses and like did somebody have like reading specs or something like what was the yeah so and yeah why why don't people do this on every season well well i mean well who has reading specs people who tend to be older what is the cast of survivor 50 skew a bit older so we had multiple people who had reading glasses uh jenna and and and sari uh i actually made a joke because i saw colby had reading glasses back at and ponderosa i said i wish colby were here i can use this you know i can use his reading glasses and sari's like oh i got reading glasses and jenna did too sari's glasses were slightly higher prescription we actually had originally in a two-stage lens that we kind of worked out we realized we didn't need it so we just did a one stage and worked out fine okay wow do we need more old people or maybe that's why they stopped casting old people because you get fired that's it that's it that's that's the key i mean also on david versus goliath we had constant rain and clouds we were there's no way on my first season we'd ever be able to try that and this is not something i prepared to do that's one of the beauties of survivors we end up doing stuff you're like i never thought i would ever prepare to do it's the the over preparation for specific challenges overrated the the adaptation the novel things that's what's awesome it's like an astronaut out in space having to figure out a problem that they had no preparation for whatsoever with a limited amount of things on their shuttle to figure out how to actually live yeah square peg round hole all you got is duct tape and a sock yes figure it out you got it exactly um so what's the ideal prescription then there is like let's say i go back on survivor but i want to start a fire real quick so i go to my eye doctor and fake it through an eye exam so i can get like the thickest glasses possible as possible strong as possible i mean that's that's what you're looking at i mean stronger the better i mean literally you looked at the had the prescription numbers on the glasses like straight a little bit stronger let's go and try any yeah so i mean also making me a steady is important there's there's we're feeling it out on the fly and i'll see if we can get it out of the way and we'll see if we can get it out of the way so i'm going to do that i'm going to do it i'm going to do it i'm going to do it i'm going to do it i'm going to do it i'm going to do it i'm going to do it i'm going to do it i'm going to do it i'm going to do it yes all these camera people are hovering over you're trying to get the shot you're like like i feel bad for these people if i don't waste it all of their time oh when they start to walk away when you're trying to do something you know it's like it's the worst feeling as you're like trying to get something going and the camera guys are all amped into it and then they slowly one by one just start putting their cameras down and backing away and focusing on other people you're like wait i got a joke i've got something over here guys um what else you got riley anything else well i i i mean that brings up part of it which we also saw in this episode which is like this thing that you have wrestled with which is like this reputation as like the the heavyweight smart guy but then it not always coming through i guess like can you just like speak more to your feelings on that on survivor as like the the i i guess like the failure but also just like the reputation too generally as like us like uh like people perceive me as smart or what what do you mean they're like what people perceive you as as smart and and brilliant but then we watch you do this puzzle and then it seems extra like how do you navigate that as is that hard to uh come to terms with as i said i mean like you know like when people view you as a smart person they expect you to do basically everything perfectly right it's just like that is the expectation like and and all manner of unrelated skills when in fact when you you learn that expertise is incredible narrow. You know, like we, you know, when you get a PhD, you're diving down in a particular topic. Yes, you learn more generalizable skills about science. And yes, you're probably pretty good at picking up things on the fly. But like, frankly, I should have just bought some puzzles online and just started doing jigsaw puzzles all over, over and over again. I think that if there's any, I think if there was a hubris element to my preparation there, like, it's like, I didn't bother doing that. Cause I was like, I was like, I don't care. I don't want to over-prepare on a particular puzzle. That is not what I'm there to do. When in fact, every, you know, every other challenge is a jigsaw puzzle. So really I should just dial in and do jigsaw puzzle. I should have done jigsaw puzzles, you know, for two straight years. Right. That would have been the thing to do. When in fact, you know, just because you're a smart person, doesn't mean you, you know, allegedly smart person, it means you can just look at a thing and just solve it. Right. There's, there, there, there, there are different ways. There are ways where people are brilliant, but they just can't do basic math. Like these are things, like I think Emily flipped and talked about this on her season. She had to do like a math problem. She's a finance analyst. Doesn't mean she's not, not smart. It's just smart comes in all shapes and sizes. I think people should remember that when they make assumptions about people, but I'm glad that people seem, seem to think I'm smart, hopefully still. Well, I'm happy that you kind of lean into like the vulnerability of that reputation on, on yourself and are able to express yourself when it comes to, when you don't always like live up to it or, you know, just the pressure plays out. Thank you. Thank you. And I want to set a good example. I wish I was more articulate with this question, but thank you so much. No, I just want to make sure I knew where you're going. I mean, and honestly, I mean, that's going to happen with my son, right? You know, at some point he will be perceived, I'm sure to be good at things, right. But they will ultimately not do well in those things. And it's easy to get down on yourself. You know, at least I'm projecting, I don't want to project too much of myself on my son, but I can get down on myself. Absolutely. And, um, and I think that in a way, so I was kind of a gift. It's forces you that you can't hide. I couldn't hide that failure. I had to move forward in spite of it. So not saying I wish I hadn't, I'm glad I didn't do that puzzle, but given that it didn't, there is a lesson in that. I'm grateful for that. Well, if there's any, anything also about parenthood is that if you hide survivor, this survivor failure from him, he will think that you are one hundred percent successful at everything you do until he's a teenager. So I guess there is that, there is that assumption. Uh, I, Michael is one now. So I look forward to having to make those decisions about what I exposed him to when, including his dad's ultimate, uh, fallibility. Yeah. Well, thank you, Christian. We have to run. Thank you so much for being vulnerable and for giving us, uh, so many amazing moments on this season of survivor. We've loved watching you. Uh, you were the star of the show. I will say that of the memorable characters on season 50 of survivor, you will go down as one of you you'll be on the DVD cover, like without a doubt, like if they make DVDs ever still, you will be one of the handful on the DVD cover. Thank you. I'm glad, I'm glad you had fun. I mean, and, and I, it's, I think in part, I was having a lot of fun for all of us. I think it's infectious. I think someone told you to have fun when you go out there, to make sure that that was the one thing you could control. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's good advice. Whoever that is, they should give that advice to as many people as possible. Then we can keep it to ourselves. Okay. Love you, Christian. We'll talk to you soon. All right. Reports do it too. Then meeting prep, then chronic migraine doesn't care about your to-do list for people with chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more Botox on a botulinum toxin a prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. It is not approved for those with 14 or fewer headache days. A month Botox prevents on average eight to nine headache days a month versus six to seven for placebo prescription. Botox is injected by your doctor. 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So I'm, I just respect him and how he just takes this entire process and I'm a hundred percent sure his, his child's going to be so proud of him when he watches it early or later on in his life. So I'm just, I'm just, it was just like really nice to hear him say this, all this stuff. He's just, Oh, I'm so inspired by him. Yeah, I agree. I think it was, he was distraught. He sat down and failed and then realized that his son's going to watch it or it's a teaching moment or a learning moment, but also like that's in general, that's humanity is failing and trying again. And so, yeah, I thought his perspective on it was good. It seems like he's very positive and happy. And so we like to see that Riley, any thoughts about Christian? I mean, we love Christian, one of my personal favorites ever, and he brought it this season. And then like we're saying, I mean, just what a wonderful perspective on life and on the game that he had and was able to share with us and with everybody, even on the show too, even in the moment. It's happening. So, um, hope we get him for a third time. Yeah, I could see that. I could see that happening. I will share a little behind the scenes here. Christian did reach out to me as he was going through casting for season 50, uh, debating on whether or not to actually go because he did have a new son at home and he knew that that was going to be a lot of workload for his wife. And also, um, just, you know, leaving a new child at home is very difficult to leave for six weeks or whatever they have to go. Um, and I told him, look, you can't control if you can win or not. Like you can do your best and try to win, but you can't control whether or not you enjoy the experience and have fun. So if your goal is to get the money or get as much money as possible, and that's the only thing that's going to scratch that itch that you have to go, then it's maybe not worth going. But if you can go out and have fun and make it an experience, regardless of your, uh, placement at the end, then go. And, uh, he ultimately just decided to go and texted me when he got home and said, thank you so much for that advice. I took it to heart and I don't regret any of it. So, yeah. I mean, to that point, like I have a almost one and a half year old, so similar in age to, to Christian's son. And I mean, those, that first year or so, the changes happening so fast and right. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think I would have left him for six weeks for almost anything. And so that's about if you were on survivor, what if, uh, if you got cast on survivor, it maybe it would have been a, like a, it would have been a very difficult decision. I'm sure it was difficult for Christian and obviously we're very happy he went, but it's like, you know, for anyone out there who doesn't know what parenthood is like, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, if it's been a while since your kid was that young, I mean, it is like, they are changing, like every single week new stuff is happening. And so you miss that time and it's, it's crazy, but I think that, you know, he made the right choice for him. And the fact that he spoke to his son so much on this season, he'll be able to go back and watch this one day with, with his kid and it'll be really meaningful and great. So, um, I think he got out of the experience, what he wanted to and what made it worth it. And if he has other kids, he's going to have to go back to so that they can also get mentioned on survivor. I've thought that cause I had my oldest, my oldest came out on the family visit and I was like, Oh, my youngest, although my youngest was on house of villains, FaceTime call. So we not equal, but you know, they both got their, their moment in the limelight. Uh, house of villains isn't as prestigious as survivor in the reality competition. Not yet. Not yet. Yeah. They'll get there. Yeah. So, um. Any last thoughts before we shut it down? I don't know. I think Jimmy Fallon should send a basket to Christian immediately. So if he hasn't yet, Jimmy, come on. Did Genevieve get her baskets from Billie Eilish? Billie Eilish, does she know that the season's premiering? That's the question. She doesn't know it's her again. What were you going to say, Riley? What did you see? I saw somebody online screenshotted the full note from Christian's journey, and if he had won, it actually was a little bit different than they showed on the show. So he would have put a vote in the urn that he would have written down there, but then he would have had the option to bank his actual vote from that tribal council and save it for the future and basically get an extra vote. And he wouldn't have had to have announced this to – his tribe the way that he did the loss. So that makes it a little more like the risk-reward is maybe a little bit closer there. I still think it's a pretty bad twist, this one, but there was a little bit more that he was playing for there, I guess. It doesn't allow for gameplay if you lose. You have no option to go back and lie or to twist a story or to use it to your advantage, even though it's a disadvantage. There was no – I feel like one of the bedrock principles of the journey is that you can always go back and lie about what happened. And people have to determine whether you're telling the truth, even if you are telling the truth. It always comes with that tension immediately. And so taking that away here from him, I mean, it was like – I think he told us he thinks he could have been safe if he hadn't had this happen. I'm not exactly sure how it would have played out, and I don't think he is either. But once he went – his name was certainly out there. He knew he was in danger. And then once he goes back and is like, by the way, there's already a vote for me out there, and I can't vote. It's from me. It's just like his ability to mount – to wriggle his way out of that situation is just gone. I think for twists like this, if you lose and you have to vote for yourself kind of thing, I think there should be an option of I don't want to do it. And then they can still – they'll punish you with taking away a vote or something. But I think that it's just – it didn't seem very fair at all. There's no real choice in this. And I feel like with journeys, there should just be a little more choice so that we can get an actual strategy. I agree. Some agency to maneuver. One thing I forgot to ask him was what it felt like to actually write his own name down on parchment because nobody's done that for any reason whatsoever. He has the – out of 700 – you're not allowed to. Usually. So out of 700 contestants, there's a few rules on Survivor. One of them is you're not allowed to write your own name down. So I'm sure someone else asked him. If not, then maybe he will be so kind as to chime in in the comments or let us know. That'll do it here. Well played, Christian. Always fun to watch you. Until next week. See ya. See ya. See ya. And a small coffee for just $5. Only at McDonald's for a limited time. Price and participation may vary. Promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing.