‘Survivor 50’ Episode 6 Exit Interviews!| The Pod Has Spoken

СПОКОЙНАЯ МУЗЫКА СПОКОЙНАЯ МУЗЫКА СПОКОЙНАЯ МУЗЫКА СПОКОЙНАЯ МУЗЫКА -Л right, welcome everybody to Exit Press. The Blood Moon Exit Press, we have a triple whammy this week, so enjoy, and we will share our thoughts on each and every one of these three that has been eliminated. Here you go. All right, here we have the one and only survivor legend, Colby Donaldson Colby. -Morning game. -Morning game. -It's too soon for me to be talking to you here. Not early in the morning, it is early on the West Coast here, but more so in the game. -I think you got a bum rap, dude. -Well, I've been wanting to talk to you to get your take on it, because I wanted to know what I missed, what I could have implemented, what moves I could have pulled from a guy like you, and some advice on how I could have maneuvered differently to pull anything out. -Yeah. -Draw a different rock at that challenge. -Yeah. -I think if there was a way for you to not tell people you'd lost your vote. I don't know if that was even a possibility, but that's literally because losing your vote, and then not having your shot in the dark is a double whammy, and everything else is too risky. Even the conversation between, like, is it Colby or Coach? You can't go Coach. He has the shot in the dark. If he gets a whiff of that, he'll play the shot in the dark. Colby will not. It's very, very safe. -That's exactly right. So you're right. Now, let me clear it up for you three real quick. Savannah went straight back after the journey and told her entire try. -All right. -So it's a renew. So then it permeated the entire past within a day. -So it's not going back. So, yes, Savannah. And I mean, I would have done the same thing. But as soon as she got tipped back to her beach, she said Colby lost his vote. So everyone knew before we. They've known all along. Everyone has. The one person that forgot and told me yesterday was Coach. And he forgot during the challenge, because he called me yesterday to say, "Man, if I had remembered you lost your vote, I would have been able to hang in there long enough to be the inaugural challenge." -But that's just coach being coached. -Yeah. -You know that. -That is coach being coached. -Yeah. -You have played amongst many different eras of Survivor. And we get a lot of discourse about this new era. How it's different. Has it changed? Was it different? Was it more difficult? -Just tell us about coming from mid 2000 or early 2000s. Like when was the. What was the 2020-02? Was that the first time you played? -I competed in 2000. It aired in 2001. -Okay. -And that was the only one if you recall. Little trivia here. That was the only one. The only season ever that's gone 42 days. So it went 42 days in the Outback. And in 38, 7 out of 39 days, he rose villains. -Right. -And he grew good in the All Stars. Tyson, it is vastly different in some ways. The game, the new era game. And I think the compression of time putting it all into 26 days. I'm not saying it's. Well, it is easier in some ways. No question. It's easier than 42 days. But it's also more difficult because it ratchets up the pace and tempo of everything. And so for old school players, where you used to be able to factor your safety in three days, which is what it took to produce an episode, that now gets compressed as well. And so you just don't feel secure for very long in this game before you're having to re-strategize and update your thought process and who you're aligned with. So it paces a lot quicker than the old version did. However, all of us agreed and I think this is universal, even the new era players. We felt that 50 was moving pretty slow in some regards because we still had so many people, right, at this point. And so that's. We didn't anticipate the triple vote-out or the triple tribal council. But we knew they were going to have to ratchet up the pace somehow and last week we had two. So it's starting to pace up. But we had kind of been sitting around the old school game going, "When is this shit going to get crazy? When is this going to get wild?" Because it just didn't feel to us that it was moving at the pace we had watched in '48 and '49, '47, and stuff like that. But that was by design, again, them just wanting to throw his curveball after curveball to keep us on our heels and not knowing what's coming next. So in those moments where it felt like it was moving slower than it needed to, did you all think maybe it was going to be a 39-day season or did they tell you in advance the timing and stuff like that? Yes. To answer your question, yes, we thought about it. But there were several of us and we discussed it all out there. There were several people that had commitments that we had to get back to. And so the bracket of time we were gone was finite. They couldn't push it. That was one thing they couldn't fool us with because I, for one, I could barely take off for the five weeks we needed to go film. I was not going to have a job when I got home if they kept me one day longer. And so there's no way they would have stretched it. But we were trying to figure out all scenarios. So how are they going to get rid of this many people this, this quickly? And anyway, I think I caught something. I was trying this morning Tyson to listen to to part of your show before I had to start media. And I think you were the one that suggested a 17 person tribal. And then you could still do triple vote-outs at the same tribal. Yeah, I actually ran through that in my head and go, "Man, would that have been fun?" That would have been, you talk about a blood bath. That would have been crazy to see 17 of us sitting on stumps and voting out one. Thinking we're going to get up and go back to camp and then you got to sit down for a second. And then ultimately a third, "Wow, that would have been wild." But for a guy like me, I absolutely would have been saying, "There's no question I would have made it through if that were the case. If we're all in one group together." Yeah, what were like, if it had been all 17 at one tribal, like who's on the bottom, where are the dynamics at that point? Well, so I wasn't hyper aware of all the other alliances playing out on the other speeches. It's only in watching the show that I'm seeing some of that. We had suspicions and we were hearing things. But the people I'm aligned with at this point, and we haven't seen any of it because she and I both got voted out last night. But I locked in, well, I felt we were locked in on night one with Genevieve. It took Genevieve a couple more days because she's so guarded. It took her a while to get to the point where she felt like she could trust me. And because neither one of us had been to the tribal council yet, we hadn't had to prove that trust out. But we were definitely locked in. And I've been playing with her since, like Stephanie, well, Stephanie got put on another tribe. But Genevieve and I got swapped together. So we've been on the same beach the whole time. So that's something we didn't see. But I'm locked in with Genevieve. Stephanie's absolutely good to go. Joe and Coach, Jonathan's good to go. Who else? Rizzo. I'm still in really good shape with Rizzo. I know he was already put in feelers out and was going with other people. But there was no reason for Rizzo to target me or to even go after me in a merge situation. And I know for a fact that I've talked to him multiple times since I had his loyalty. He really did. We connected out there. And so he would have at least been a bird dog that could have brought a bird back to the shooter. And let me know, hey, look, they're going in for you over here. He could have, he could have helped me in other ways in a post-merge situation. And I would have done the same for him. Yeah, I think I do think that no vote and no shot in the dark on a group of five is just a death sentence. Like there's you, like a 17, let's see the 17 person merge, go crazy. The I voting breakdown on that would have been like six people would have been voted. And yeah, Tyson, you and I, you never played with a loser, loser voted. No, right. Yeah, it was new to me. And then I didn't even know in the first few days after I lost my vote that I couldn't play my shot in the dark. And I think I brought it up in a confessional. And the producer's like, when you lose your vote, you can't play your shot in the dark. Well, shit, it's just got exponentially worse. Yeah, I didn't even, I didn't. That's how it was so funny. We would go to Rizzo or Genevieve or some of these new airplayers, Q, Kyle. And ask them, hey, what does this mean? How does this work? Explain this to me again. How does this, and they, they just know the game so much better than I do. And not just because they're fans, but they played. It's just, I needed, I needed some assistance. They were like my mother. walker out there, just to help get me around because they're just so savvy when it comes to the game now. >> Well, let's talk about this new era player. There has also for the last five years been discourse about the new era, the casting feels different than it did before. Is that just us being old or is this like when I'm watching you on the beach, it seems like everyone's seamlessly integrating between the different eras, the new era and old school and stuff, is there a different vibe with these new school new era players? >> You know, there's no way I would classify it as a new era holder. I think they're going to be people that you just don't find a way to connect with on any beach, regardless of era when they played or there is that person for you. >> Well, I didn't get a chance to connect with Camilla in the game. It was only a ponderosa after that I fell in love with the girl. She's got one of the driest, quickest wit. She's a funny person. Now, would I have played the game with her? Not sure. I'm not sure I ever would have trusted Camilla, but Emily on our beach is just someone that I couldn't find on this last beach on the very last day. It's just someone I couldn't find enough common ground to bond or really flesh out an authentic friendship or working relationship or anything. And, you know, she's smart enough to suss out if I'm being inauthentic. And if it's just a play for one vote or whatever, I'm not going to treat her like a fool and expect her to buy into anything I'm selling at that point on the beach. But to get back to your question on new era old era, I didn't think Tyson that I would connect with as many of the new era players as I did. I didn't think there was any game future for me and Q going into the game. In fact, in all my pregame interviews, he was the one I flat out said, there's no future with that dude. And then, sorry, getting a warning on the plums here. Within short order on the beach, you and I found common ground. And again, we were talking about Southern cooking and what we like to cook at home. We're sitting around the campfire. And sometimes that's all it takes is to listen to a guy long enough to find the redeeming qualities. Had he played chaotic before? Yes. Is Q going to do Q things? Yes. But I had zero problems with that guy. In fact, built a friendship with him. I still talk to him often. And that surprise a hell out of me. Rizzo surprised me that I found those redeeming aspects of Rizzo's personality and makeup. And so if you're open-minded to it, I don't see a huge delta between new air and old air in terms of casting, meaning you can cast good people from this new generation or new era. And bad. You could probably dip back in the pool, Tyson, and pull some pretty bad apples out of the old for sure, a player as well. And that just comes down to casting in the producers. Yeah. I agree. We love Q over here at the podcast. He's great guy. And I do think he's one of those that you see him on TV and you definitely have some judgments. And then you meet him in person. You're like, this guy is great. He's a straight shooter of sure he's going to be chaotic. But like, sometimes you got to be chaotic on survivor. Yeah. And again, remember anything that takes the target off use, not a bad thing, right? Not a bad thing. So you talked about wanting to redeem yourself and have a different experience coming into season 50. Did you do that and how so? I don't know, Tyson. I mean, man, I sure what a lot. I mean, I just went out, sir. You know, part of that redemption was going to be to perform like I used to perform. Yeah, man. Just hadn't been able, hadn't been able, just I was showing signs of age. No doubt. I mean, it's just tough going back. But again, I'm not that I mean, Joe's 46 and that guy's 10 times the athlete I am. So physically, he's still getting a done and he's not that much younger than I am. So I can't blame my age. Do I feel redemption in the way I approached the game, prepared for the game, played the game with the cards I was dealt without question. I was engaged and locked in to playing the game. And production knew that they could see it in all my interviews. They were where you remember, Tyson. I was grumpy. He rose. I was going. I remember exactly right. I remember talking to you at the season rap party finale party. And I walked over and I said, Colby, are you okay? Because you do not look happy. And you're said, it's just a lot. I don't. Yeah. You were not happy to be there. Yeah. Yeah. So I took a completely different approach this day. You would have enjoyed being out there on the beach with me. And I would have enjoyed playing with you as well, Tyson. No, and it was in my mindset and that and look, it's no accident that I was able to make inroads with guys like you and these new era players, right? Because I because of the attitude I took going into it. And it was important to me, Tyson, what I said at the end of travel about finding the joy, it wasn't always joyful. And it wasn't about finding the joy. But I did make it my purpose and to go in to this game and make sure that people around me were taking away the positive from, from what could otherwise be very negative. And I'm not talking about getting voted out. I'm talking about the day-to-day monotony, how things go down and how brutal and rough it can be. But we're all blessed to be there. And it's not until you get to be our age and you've done it as long as we've done it that you had true perspective and you're able to really put it all into into sharp focus of of how lucky we've been to get to go play this incredible game multiple times. And so I wanted everyone out there because a lot of those people were first time attorneys. And I wanted them to know how lucky they were not only to be returning but to be chosen on season 50 and to appreciate that. Yeah, I like that. I like that attitude. It definitely showed through on the TV screen, especially on your exit. Riley, what do you have? Bobby, how has Jeff changed over your seasons? Oh, the same guy question. No, no. Yeah, Tyson will appreciate this. Thanks for asking that. Tyson and all of you, Ashley, Riley, that dude at some point along the line took a turn from, remember how, you talk about me being grouchy. Remember how grouchy probes used to get a trouble? Yeah. This new era has never seen the probes that we've seen. And that dude, when he, no yelling, no, no ripping into anybody. You mean now now? Oh, no, no. Oh, it's, but he used to, but, but he used to. Oh, that guy. Oh my gosh. He was. I lived for those moments though. It was because it was chaos. And you loved when things got chaotic for sure. I know you, but, but here's, here's what I observed is there was a shift at some point. I don't know when it happened. And him certainly being the shepherd of this entire production team were they, they changed the way they were going to approach the game, the, the players, all of this. And, and, and it was, and for my dollars and donuts, it was all for the better because what used to be somewhat adversarial in your confessionals, and there was a point at hero's villains when we were there, we didn't even trust production. And we wouldn't, we, you know, we had a gag order. We had all that stuff back then because we weren't playing the game and, and, and we didn't feel like they were holding our secrets in. All that's gone Tyson. There is zero adversarial dynamic between producers, production, and that carries over to probes. He's a softler, general, jettler probes. And I've heard you guys talk about the various things he's done, the impressions and the wrapping and all that. One of you said it, but it's true. The truth is probes is in on that joke. That dude, he's, he's got his ego fully in check. He knows some of the stuff he does is ridiculous. And he's okay being the butt of the joke with that stuff, you know, but that's a lighter side of jett that we didn't use to get and we get it now. And it carries over into all of it. And maybe that's because this was such a season of celebration, but it was palpable when we were out there with regard to, to the interviews and production and everything. And to, to me, I think it's all for the better. It's not softer. I'm not saying it's easier or any of that. I'm just saying the dynamic that exists now between probes and production and the castaways is much healthier than the dynamic we experienced, you know, 15, 16 years ago on heroes villains. Okay. Yeah, I love to hear it. And that unfortunately is our time with you, Colby, but we would love to have you on in future seasons of this podcast. And hopefully we'll see you at the finale when it happens. I think we're doing on making the trip. So much love. Thanks again. Wish you a lot longer. Keep up the good work. I do too, Tyson, but keep up the good work. Enjoy your, enjoy listening to the show. You're all killing it. Keep doing it. And best of luck to you. Thanks for having me on. Thank you so much. All right, Riley, what do you think of Colby? Did he redeem himself? Yeah, you know, I do enjoy if this is like his survivor journey. And like thinking about players as having like arcs across multiple seasons of survivor, you know, not having heroes versus villains, where he was so grumpy and miserable, being his swan song. But now him, you know, having a much better time on 50, even though it ends in him just getting totally swapskirt. I mean, we wanted to see the 17-person tribal. We at least wanted to see some of these dynamics that he built up over the first two weeks of this game play out as opposed to being five players in this small tribe and it just being a group of three that gets their choice to pick off either coach or Colby and they pick Colby. But they pick Colby because he didn't have a shot in the dark. Right. Right. It wasn't even a pick. It was the only logical direction. Yeah. So he's like double screwed, basically, right? He's popped onto a group of people that he's not working with and he had this lost vote from like day one or two or whatever that he didn't really, you know, he didn't get an option of whether to risk his vote or not. He just went on this journey and it was like, here you go. You're playing Jango for your vote. So that stuff is a bummer to me. But I really enjoyed seeing this version of Colby. This much more at peace with the game and like where he's at physically and how he played in Jeff and Survivor and like, you know, his decade of reflection in his 50s and all of that. Like that, I really enjoyed it. I loved all that stuff. Yeah. I agree. It was really nice to hear him talk about it like we, I, you know, I never knew how well of a speaker. He was until just hearing him just like raw without the production and just listening to him think over his answers and I think that's another reason why they picked him because he is just a very like attractive guy overall and we all want to talk to him. We all want to listen to what he says and you don't want that kind of player around. And I think that's like the best like compliment you can get to Colby is that he is just way to attractive to have around on season 50. So if no offense to coach, but because coach is also, but if you had to pick between the both of them, I think if you were at final tribal, you'd rather sit with coach than with Colby. Yeah. Oh, for sure. I do also think to your point there, Ashley, that when they cast Survivor, a lot of people are like, give us pointers, give us tips. That is exactly what they look are looking for is somebody who can expound on what they're talking about even further than need be beyond the bare minimum. So if they can talk and then keep talking and then add to their idea and then add to their thought and then pile on top of that, that is what makes a good confessionalist. That's what makes someone attractive to a reality TV production team. And I have never been able to articulate that before. I've always been like, TMI is what they want, like just keep delving into it. But it really is just being able to continue to have thought after thought, which then breeds more thought and more inspiration. So I don't know if that's a learned trait. If that's something people can get good at or if that's just like something you have or you don't. Does you think Colby this season, I mean, I feel like you came in, you were a little more skeptical. You obviously had the experience with him on HRSA's villains, he hasn't shared a beach, but you had this after party and I remember you were like, you just such a grouch back then. Like, what do you think, seeing him on FISC? I liked it. I think that it was refreshing. I think that that's the attitude he needed to have to even come out of it positively no matter what because survivor reality TV in general, like you can have pretty negative experiences there. But if you can, like, compartmentalize that and just understand or think like, oh, you know, it's just that's, that's it. Like I'm fortunate enough to be here or lucky to be here or I just wanted to be here. Was the man, like, there's so many routes. I don't think I would be as positive as he is currently about the way he exited. I always feel like that's so many dice rolls there for that he's lost to be able to, to then just get ejected from the game. It's like, didn't get to vote, didn't have the shot in the dark, didn't get a choice in whether or not he was risking his vote to begin with. So I would have been definitely a lot more salty if that were me and his shoes doing that interview. I do respect that. I also am wondering how much effort is that taking to be that positive about like, is it natural? Is it something he has now become and is and or is that something he wakes up every day saying, like, let's celebrate the ridiculousness of life. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I think it's genuine from him because he's not out there to, you know, be like a gamer or something, I think we'll get maybe a little bit of a different perspective from like a Genevieve, for example, you know, the players went home without casting a vote. So what, which we'll talk to her later today and we'll see, but, you know, Colby was out there for the experience. I think he got the experience that he wanted, even if it's not, you know, I would be like you. I'd be like, I'd be like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I keep your place of rider, I think it's a place to play it all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not saying it. Well, I'm questioning it. If it was genuine or not, what I'm questioning is like, does it take effort to see the positive in a moment like this? Is that or is that natural for him or is it definitely had to learn that? Take a step back. Yeah. Well, are we going to see Colby again? Do you think Colby's coming back? Do you think this is the stamp on his survivor? I think we'll see him in a cameo. I think he'll be invited on if we, for the hundredth season, you know, and then they're going to be like, you're going to be invited on to and then, yeah, and then he's going to jump out of the bush. There'll be 75 then have like, you can get the title. If you grab 15 sandbags and you throw them over the wall. So. Yeah. Okay. Season 100 when we're all in our 70s, that's going to be very cool to watch. Yeah. Here we have Camilla. Enjoy. All right. We are here with Camilla, our second exit interview of the day, Camilla. How are you feeling? Are you recovered from that yet? Or not? Oh, yeah. I'm good. You're good today. Today is such a fun day for me. I love, I love doing exit press. Listen. Yeah. Whether you win or lose, you have to do exit press. So. I actually have been looking forward to this this day since I got voted out. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Why? I mean, I got a lot to share, a lot, a lot didn't make the TV screen. So. Tell us. Okay. What didn't make it? What didn't make it that did we want? We needed to see or the audience should hear. Um, yeah. So Mike went on a journey very early on and Savannah turned into a news reporter and was grilling coal, be about a zoom alliance, um, and coal be spilled all the names to Mike and Mike brought all the names back to us. Uh, and I didn't believe it because I thought Mike maybe just wanted us to play with him and not the other older people turns out I was wrong and I should have believed in Mike. The zoom alliance. That's what's every, that's what everybody's calling it. Yeah. We were calling it zoom alliance, but it actually talked to one of them was very honest with me. And it wasn't zoom. They were using. There's a group phone call kind of, uh, uh, the conference call line. Yeah. The conference call lines. Yeah. I agree. Were you on any conference calls? I was not, uh, because I'm stupid. And when casting reached out to me and they're like, don't tell anyone. I got it. I got it. And once I made it one step further in the process, I got an email that same day and there was that that said, like, there were leaks. Yeah. And you all to maintain the integrity of the game. If we find out that this was, this comes back to you, you will be cut. And I saw the word integrity. When I see the word integrity, big alarms go off. So it's like, okay, I won't do anything. I won't reach out to anyone. I haven't reached out to anyone because I didn't want to get cut. And turns out that was a stupid decision on my part. So it's ironic that you're the most honorable and filled with integrity. Damn. Right? It is me. It is you. I'm Mrs Honest in Integrity. The entire time. I hate the most. It was you. You've heard the saying for every finger you point, there's three pointing back at you. Honor integrity loyalty, all pointing back right now. Yes. Yes. Camilla, I wanted to ask you, did you do anything to combat your reputation from 48? Because people had just seen that, then they went out. They have to assume you're interested in being sneaky and misleading. How did you navigate that? I was basically telling people, like, look, I am loyal to a fault. I never, I didn't take out Kyle even when I had the chance to because I couldn't, I didn't have it in me in my heart to do it. I mean, I also told people, I'm like, you want me to go live for you. I'll go live for you. I have no problem doing it. You want me to do the dirty work? I'll do it. I kind of did some of the dirty work with the last vote, not my elimination, the week before, where we had to come back and help Jonathan get through it. I immediately turned to him once the votes were read and I told him we saved him and that we saved him from Charlie and that Charlie was gunning for him. Did he believe it? I thought he did because I used direct quotes from Charlie. And Charlie was very suspicious of Jonathan because Jonathan was doing suspicious things. Like what? Jonathan doing. Jonathan for some reason, like, was so against us tossing out devins as a potential option to vote out. And when all of us individually asked them, why do you say, like, why not devins? And he's like, trust me, devins is locked in with us. And we're like, why? Why? What do you, what, what makes you think that way? Trust me. And that this man already has pre-gaming allegations against him. That is a very suspicious thing to be saying. Yeah. A little, a little scared. And also he wanted to throw the, he was talking about throwing the challenge where, like, Rizzo and Charlie was up between them too. And so I told him, Charlie told me he wanted to throw the challenge. And then he starts yelling, I didn't, I didn't say any of that. Charlie was lying to you. I would never say that. And then Charlie might get voted out the next day. That was all real. Okay. There's a lot. There's a lot we're not seeing here. Did, did you, going to people and telling them that you were loyal to Kyle to a fault, etc, help you? Did, or do you think people were still suspicious of you? Do you think it mattered? Is there a different way you could have navigated any of that? I think people would see right through it and be like, yeah, she's telling me the things I want, want to hear, you know? I do think that people were like, hey, let me keep her around because at least she's down to play ball. Like, she will, she, like, if I have a crazy idea, she might entertain it. Meanwhile, there are other people who I don't think were ever going to want to deal with me this season. And so there was like nothing I could do about that. Right. Um, Riley, what do you have? Well, this is a, like a little less, it's not a game strategy question, but Camilla and Jeff started rapping. What was going through your head? We did see your face. He told us to start snapping and my brain was immediate, like, this is fried chicken and waffles. I don't want to participate. I really don't want to participate. And then he started rafish. I'm so glad I wasn't there for the impersonations, I will say. Yeah, I thought the impersonations were like, at least as a viewer, less difficult to get through for sure than the, uh, yeah. But I'm glad I didn't have to sit through like every single thing. Yeah, sure. I survived many, many things from 48 and 50. I'm glad I didn't have to go through all of them. Fair. Yeah. We don't know what's coming next. So maybe you don't have to go through even more. Yeah. Or maybe there's something for the life finale that you get to participate in. Maybe he'll do an impersonation. So little inside baseball here. At the life finale, there are commercial breaks. And during commercial breaks, someone has to entertain the audience. And if Jeff can step in and do some impersonations during the commercial breaks, that only the people present will get to witness that will be something special. On token chains, they did a dance dance off for all of the fathers of the contestants. And they were like, all the fathers in the audience from the contestants come on up. People started walking up. And then they, the MC announced that there was going to be a dance contest. And my dad just turned around and went back to the stage. Didn't even get to the stage. Yeah. So we fingers crossed. If you got to determine what creative entertainment would be present during the commercial breaks in that, uh, auditorium, what are you hoping for? I, first of all, I rather see Rick Devon's struggle than any thing that you've mentioned so far. But now thinking about that, I want to see, I want to see more of this fake wrestling that Jonathan and sorry, fake wrestling might be redundant. That I want to see more of this wrestling that Jonathan and Charlie were doing like bring, bring everyone into it. I want to fight someone. Who are you fighting? I'll fight anyone. I want to fight Jonathan. Okay. Uh, let's talk about first season versus a returning season. Did you have more fun at one? They try to push out your mind the results as much as possible. Yeah. Yeah. I will say the for like all of the trip portions of 50 were so much more fun than the trip portions of 48. Because like day one or day two, someone told me my name was being thrown around. I'm like, this is so exciting. Like people are playing survivor. I just remember like every single day on that first time. I'm like, I can't believe people are actually playing survivor. People are throwing my name out. I'm hearing so many names. It was so fun in that aspect. I actually had a lot of fun. And the people were a lot of fun too. Okay. So do you think that it was the cast that was making it more enjoyable for you? Do you think it was that you had already played once? Like what is, why was that? I think it might have been the cast, no shade to like my cast on 48. I think people were just more ready to play and get their hand sturdy on. Okay. And you like that? Yes. Yes. It's very fun. Okay. Yeah. I, this isn't about me. This is about you right now. But I felt the opposite. I felt like on Harris versus villains when everybody got down to business. I didn't like not just hanging out and bonding with people for the first week. Oh, that's part of the game. I hate everybody stepped on to the beach. I was just like, we're ready to fire. I was like, I don't even know anything about you yet. Let me, can I learn about you before I decide if I'm voting you out? And so I think it was, it was, it, maybe it just wasn't what I was expecting when it happened. So I wasn't prepared for it. So, but I think the audience, especially you touched on something where it's like, you touch that beach on a returning season and everybody is ready to start gaming. Yeah. People already feel like they know each other anyway, because they saw an edit of them on TV. So they're like, I don't need to get to know you. I already have my impression of you. I don't want you to change it, because I have a plan. Sounds very rigid. Who's impression? Did you dislike the most and we're ready to get rid of immediately? I mean, I don't really dislike, dislike anyone, but I just didn't like how like, initially, but like, one of the first things that Chrissy was talking to me about strategically was like, D and Tiff are always together. The girls, the girls are always together when you get them out. And I was like, the boys are always together too. The boys are always sitting on the beach together by the boat. Yeah. As much as Rizzo is a guy's girl is Chrissy a girl's guy. A guy's a guy said that backwards. I understand what you're getting at and it did feel like that because her initial targets were D and Tiff and then I heard she was throwing my name out. So I mean, it kind of felt like that. Yeah. I mean, she was throwing your name out. Yeah. Yeah. Was Applebee's everything Jeff sold it to be? Yes. Okay. And here's the thing. I had Applebee's right after that episode in 46 because it was like, there's no way it's that good. Yeah. And I went and it wasn't good. And then on 50, I was like, I want the shark bowl. I want the shark gummy, but I'm not excited for anything else. But when I got there and I put the spinach in an artichoke dip in my mouth, I'm like, oh my god, salt makes food taste amazing. This one's significantly better than Applebee's that I had in America. VG Applebee's hit. So we know what makes Applebee's good is starving on island for 13 days or their secret ingredient salt. Yeah. It is actually like you are craving salt and sugar out there. Those are the two things that you're just like give me as much salt and as much sugar as possible. Okay. So you were pleasantly surprised by the Applebee's. What was your burger order out there? I don't even I don't. Did you get to order or did they just give you something? No, we ordered. And I have no idea what I order for the burger because I really only cared about the dessert and coke and the shark bowl. That was it. Yeah. I mean, I want to fries, but I don't like burger was just like, I don't I don't want to have to deal. Like burgers are too big these days. Yeah. You don't like the burger flop. No, no, I don't like I don't like they need to make them smaller again. Yeah. They're all right. I've got a small drop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like I don't like eat burgers these days. Okay. Well, that's why some people get them without the bread and stuff. Did you like this blood moon? I mean, obviously it didn't work in your favor. So I'm sure you have some criticisms of it. What are the advantages of going to a gigantic chaotic merge only to then slim it down to five? I mean, I thought it was pretty cool. Like, I've been swapped screwed before but I somehow got out of it. So I'm not going to like, I'm not going to blame this gimmick on me getting out. Like, that's totally fine. I could have, you know, had better social relationships, not with this group, but maybe with like, if I got swapped with other people, I also like the challenge that they did it at because it's like a challenge that I actually could have, like, could have won immunity for unfortunate rock draw, but whatever. I will say, I think it would have been more fun if we had all 17 people go to tribal council. Yeah. Go that one person and then Jeff's like psych or voting out another. Did you listen to our, did you listen to our interview with Rachel? No. That's exactly what we said. This is what we propose. And then we said psych again after the second one. Yeah. You got another one now. I think that would have been fun and more, like, scary for us because we're still here. We didn't strategize that far. I thought that would have been fun to see everyone just scramble. - Camilla, what were the dynamics when you were on that beach with 17 people? Were you in a good group? Was it just complete chaos? - I kind of messed up. I did not navigate a 17 person merge that well. I will admit. When I got there, I was like, okay, my friends have friends and I want to have conversations with those people. And like obviously with the people, like resolidify and get the information download from people who I already knew, which meant that I had long conversations with a small amount of people instead of having shorter conversations with everyone. And it was very clear to me in the second half of the day that I had messed up real bad because I went back up and I was ready to start talking to new people. And I would go walk up to a group and everyone would leave. There was a time where I walked up to a group and Emily was like, all right, well, I guess that's, that's it with me. I'm heading out. I'm like, okay. So I went and I sat on the hammock by myself and I was like, tried to come to terms with how badly I messed up the merge and then coach walks to me and he starts singing all by myself. And I'm like, this is not what I need in the moment. - Going to sing to you all by yourself. I'm like, he's like, oh my, myself. And I'm like, this is, I just got like shunned from two different groups of people. I don't need this right now. - I really don't need this right now. - At least it wasn't. One is the loneliest number. How come they, oh, I guess that's a licensed song. I was gonna say we get Jeff rapping, but we don't get coach singing all by myself to lonely Camilla on the hammock. - No. - That would have been cinema to be honest. What do you think of coach? - I really liked him. Okay, I, oh, I actually, I talked about you to him on our first try and I was like, hey, I didn't like it. How Tyson came up to you and was like, don't wear feathers in your hair. Don't tell your stories. I wanna hear all the stories. We made him tell us about his Amazon journey. We learned about the Susanville Symphony. We had like a two hour long conversation about the Susanville Symphony at Korean The Morning. - Okay. - I enjoyed all of the stories. - I liked all the stories too, but people on heroes versus villains were very bothered and making fun of all the stories. So I was like, heads up. People don't believe what you're saying and they just think it's absurd. - Yeah. - So, I get it. You were looking out for him. - I was trying to. - Yeah. - He's still wearing feathers in his hair even. - I know. - 16 years ago, I told him not to wear feathers in his hair. He's still doing it. - In 2026, he's wearing feathers in his hair. - Yeah. - I guess 2025, yeah. - Yeah. - You didn't get a coach nickname, I guess. - I did, but I honestly don't remember what it was. - Oh no. - What? - I know he's gonna be like upset. - He's got one and you don't know what it is. That's very sad. - There was too much happening. There was too much. There was too much going on. It was like right after he, you know, brought back the pots and pans that he had won, it was just a lot happening. - What was your, we have to close this down here soon. Sure, Steve is just like sweating back there, wondering when I'm gonna shut up. What was your favorite moment that did not make air this season? - Favorite moment. - Like when you were hopeful for the last year that they would be in the edit. And then on that moment, you were like, okay, here it is, it's either gonna be here or not. And it wasn't. - Oh, I thought it was gonna be like the episode before at Tribal Council where I turned to Jonathan and I go, we saved you. And then like that whole thing happens. And like us coming back at night and him yelling and us being like, bro, we know, we know, we know a lot. I really was hoping they'd show that 'cause I'm like, that was on the spot when I came up with that. Like that we saved you thing. - Yeah. And it wasn't even there. - Dang, no. - Well, you coming back for round three, come in, oh, they call you for season 51 and be a captain of your own tribe? - No, no, I won't be back for a while, I don't think. - Okay. - You just need a break. - I need a break, I need a break. - Yep. - Well, Camilla, we loved you on the show. We're sad to see you leave and we will reach out to have you on the podcast to share your thoughts on people that aren't you and that you don't know. So it makes it very easy to criticize them as much as you want. - Oh yeah, I'm down, I'm down. Thank you, thanks for all the systems fun. - Yeah, super fun, thank you so much Camilla. - Thank you. - All right, Riley, what do you think of Camilla? - Man, she's like so sharp and quick and funny and just like all these other people, like wish we'd seen a lot more of her. - I think one thing on these returning seasons, maybe just in general, she is so dry, her humor, and so non-expressive that I don't know if I could work with her 'cause I wouldn't know truly how she felt 'cause you don't get body language from her. You don't get like joy or disappointment or shifty eyes or anything like that. It's just like the same every time which makes her a fantastic liar. But you can't also get a positive read on her. - I think like she's becoming one of my favorite players in total of survivor, just because of all time. - Of all time, guys, I'm sorry to say it everybody, but it's true. I think she's just really funny and like now knowing how dry her wit is just like just talking to her, it makes me think back to a few scenes where she has shown joy. And I'm like, was that actually joy was she just being sarcastic when they were talking about Applebee's and Jeff was just talking like, "Oh, she's bacon, bacon." And you can hear in the background, Camilla going, "Yes, was she really happy?" Or was she just making fun of Jeff? Like I don't know. - Well, she didn't have a good Applebee's experience before that. So I have to assume she was just handed it up which is hilarious. - Yes, please. So I love it. - It's so funny. - Yeah, okay, yeah. I agree with that. I think she's very funny. I will be excited to have her as a guest on this podcast. - Totally. - Yeah, and again, like, I don't know. - She brings like a good energy to this new era where they've cast so many like really kind of happy go lucky types. And you know, Camilla brings more of that sarcasm that I really appreciate. - Right. - The eye roll at the excitement of others. - It's why I had to ask her about Jeff's rapping 'cause it was like, I noticed, you know, that we didn't see her in those shots. I was like, I knew she had some kind of good reaction. - Right, that's true. Yeah, I'm sad that she left. I also, I'm having a hard time getting over the way that this went for so many people with the groups of five. It's just hard to like, it's just luck. Like that's just like such bad luck. And there's nothing you can do about it. And like literally as the tribes are being broken, you're just crossing your fingers that you're with three people. Like if you're not with three people, then you're done. So the longer we've sat with it, the more I've kind of had the same thing where I've just been like, man, this sucks on season 50 to not have like the actual dynamics play out. And like, they've taught like production and Jeff and whoever have talked to about wanting to break up some of the pre-gaming alliances. But when you do this, when you split them into different like groups, I guess they're not tribes, and they don't even get a chance to interact before they're already like knowing they're going to tell somebody's immune or whatever. Yeah, they're gonna fall back on who did they have a conversation with before the game, who did they have a relationship before the game? You have no ability if you weren't in some of those prior conversations to break that up. And like Camilla said in our interview with her that she didn't have any of those conversations. And I don't know, we didn't fully uncover if there was like pre-gaming that led to her boot necessarily, but the fact that she didn't have them, it's a disadvantage in this scenario. And it's like, man, you know, it would have helped break up some of those pre-gaming alliances. On 17th-person tribal council council, 'cause there's not a nine or 10-group pre-game alliance that's solid, that's not happening. And a bunch of them have shared a beach for two weeks or whatever. And so they may be feeling differently about, oh, you know, I had one phone call with somebody. Well, I've shared a beach with someone for two weeks. So like, now that phone call might be out the window or whatever. So, yeah, the longer as we're in like our next day now from this like merge, I've been like, man, that, that actually sucked and was just not a merge. And like, I don't know, I'm not a fan of the blood moon, no more blood moons. - Yeah, no more blood moons, guys. We tried it and the way to break up pre-game alliances is as big a group as possible, not as small a group as possible and not shifting constantly. But if you could literally, on the next returning season, start 'em off. Here's what you do to combat some pre-game. Start 'em all off on an individual journey. All 24 of 'em on the same beach. Do a couple tribal councils that way. Then do something where they have to draw teams so that you win captain ship and then you draw pick teams. And then you swap those immediately. You don't even let them play as that. 'Cause you're like, oh, you're picking your pre-game alliances. We can figure that much out. Now we're separating all of you. Make 'em do it to themselves. So yeah, I do agree that it's a bummer and Camilla probably would have been safe even though she feels like she was on the outs there who I'm just getting into her. Like sitting by yourself alone is sometimes the pretty powerful in a group of 17. If you can just be like not really gonna like scramble, I'll just chill. (crickets chirping) All right, round three, we have Genevieve. Let's hear it. All right, we are here. Exit press number three with Genevieve, the Canadian. - Genevieve. - Oh, I like what's ahead of you all. (laughing) - That's what I thought. How are you feeling? (laughing) Are you doing okay? - Oh no, I'm depressed. - Are you? - Are you? - People show it in different ways. - Yeah. (laughing) - Any animosity for Billie Eilish? - I just don't understand why she hates me so much. I'm a supporter of her music. I think she's a talented artist. She's clearly not as a supporter of my survivor destiny of wanting to be rich. So, oh, Billie, what's up? - Yeah, you guys are, you're like in a diva feud. - I don't think Billie knows I exist either. (laughing) - She's had a big impact on my life. - Okay, well, maybe it's one sided, but that could all change. You never know what the future brings. Genevieve, don't be so hard on yourself. You have lots of life to live still. You don't know when or where or what new opportunity will happen. So, don't be so sad. - Okay, thank you. I'm curious like that. Let's talk about, but really how are you? 'Cause you did say you were depressed and sad and I don't want people to real, if that's true, then yes, let us believe that. But if it's not, tell us really, are you healthy right now, mentally and emotionally? - I mean, I guess it depends on you ask. But yes, no, I'm actually doing fine. I'm joking. I'm obviously very sad that I did not win survivor season 50. My bank account is so sad, I had a deal with my husband, we could adopt another dog. So like the dogs have win a big or sad. It's just, you know, terrible day for Canada, terrible day for us all. But. - Genevieve. - I'm not doing okay. - I will adopt a dog for you. - Oh, really? - Not in my house. I will, you tell me what it takes to get you another dog. We'll get you another dog. - I love that. Okay. Okay, well, I know Mark is a fan of Utizen. So if you kind of peer pressure him, he might give in. - Okay. - He's not really up like, you know, my survivor journey is not enough to influence him, but yours might be okay. - Okay, you tell him that I'm on board with a new dog and I will help in the ways that are needed if a millionaire is needed to adopt a dog. I didn't realize that that. Was that just a deal that was like, I'm assuming it's not $700,000 to adopt a dog in Canada. - Well, I wanted a gold dog, not a golden retriever, just a gold dog. - All a gold dog. - It's very expensive. No, it's like 300 bucks CAD, which is like what? $5 USD, like you could totally up for it. - Already, then mowing it to you, Genevieve. - Appreciate it. - Yes. What was it about Aubrey? Like are we missing something? Did you guys just like totally not click from the get-go? - I don't know. I thought we clicked. I thought we clicked and then like day one or two, the guys that I was in alliance with were like, Aubrey's saying you're scary. We got to watch out for you. So by the time you're seeing that awkward conversation on the first episode, like I know that she's been doing that. She doesn't know that I know. She doesn't know the dynamics of the alliances are shaking out. And it just went from like 10s people feeling each other out to like some kind of personal issue that never really yielded any utility in the game. Like rivalries I think can be beneficial. You can either then leverage that and work with someone in a way that's unforeseeable to others or what ultimately became my only option is use it as a smokescreen and build trust with other people 'cause they know you're not going for them 'cause you're going for this other person, when in reality, even if I'm not going for Aubrey, it's like great 'cause then I can go for Tiffany and Tiffany will see you coming, so things like that. But yeah, it was just uncomfortable. I don't know. I'm just so unlikable, maybe I guess. - It's all you. You're taking the full blame for that. - For sure. I've seen your head shake. You're so nice. - You're talking about it. - You're talking about it to me now. (laughs) - Have you had interactions with Aubrey since filming the season? - Not anything meaningful. I don't have my coat back. I'd really like that. It was like a really beautiful bowl coat. That's just expensive. - The coat was great. - You gave it away, you feel, I don't know what I'm saying. - I'm teasing. Well, you like Tyson Ponderosa is so comfortable. Like they're gonna be out there freezing. Angelina had given her jacket. It was very meaningful for Emily. Like people were talking about like, "Oh, this is great for warmth." Kyle had left a shirt. I was using it as a blanket. And I'm a very pragmatic person to my core. So it's like, I will not need this Ponderosa. Wish I needed it. But instead, I'm gonna go and have the torture of sitting by the pool drinking margaritas. So there you go. - And getting any food at your back and call. I'm more spiteful than that. I think I would have tried to also take other people's jackets on my exit. - Oh yeah. - That's what everybody's got, snagged all their bags and just sprinted for the eggs and be like, "Jeff, snuff my torch on your own." - That is such a good strategy. But I don't, you know, I guess maybe that's the fundamental difference between Canadians and Americans. - You think that's what it is? It's Americans and Canadians. The spitefulness of America. - Just kidding, just kidding. We're basically the 51st state. Just kidding, it's all right. - Yeah. (laughing) - We're all good, everybody. When you talk about your jacket, I don't think that your sweater was getting enough accolades this season. I do believe it was the greatest sweater of the season for sure, maybe even better than Sophie's from last season that she has been constantly trying to sell on Instagram with an Amazon leak. So maybe that's your path to the million dollars is get an Amazon influencer account and hack that sweater like crazy. Does anyone want to buy that I have that sweater? Tyson, how much of that million you got left? You want to buy it? That's what you're on. Trade you a dog for a sweater? - Genevieve, here's the thing. If you get a million dollars and you're smart with it, it ends up being more than a million dollars. - Like two? - How long do you want to wait? - Yeah. - Wow. - Yeah. - You could definitely afford my sweater. - I could, but I don't think it would fit me and I would buy it only for wear. - You called Genevieve 10 for a 10% discount. - Yes, that's what it is. I could hang it up here on my shrine to myself. I don't know why I have this. I'm embarrassed by it now and it's the first time I really brought it up. But what is all on the shrine? Like can you walk us through it? - I have a knitted perversion to myself that a fan made and just posted online and I asked for it and they sent it. - Wow, yeah, they sent it to me. - It's a big deal. - Feel like your kids find that so it's sticking needles in it or something. - These are actual from Survivor on the wall. There are notes and stuff about like the Tremel and the instructions to the challenge I think. Then I just have some pickleball stuff. I have some news clippings right here's a news clippin. Here's some, it's just stuff that wouldn't make sense anywhere else in my house except for the room that only I go in. - Do you have your tortures? - No, they didn't do that back then. They sold them to charity. - Charity. - I know, just when you at least expect it, they come out and snatch one of the things you love most. Yeah. How was it integrating with these old school players, these legends? Were you star struck and did they have a different mentality of playing Survivor than the new era mentality? - I think it went person by person. I don't think you could paint all old school or all new school with the same brush. No, I wasn't star struck. Yes, I wasn't intimidated. And I would say, I was surprised by how adaptable Colby ended up being. Like we had a much closer relationship than was shown because we had sort of this like bonding moment on night one, which is rare for me. I really don't bond with anybody, but I was trying to. And he was receptive to it. And he ended up becoming like a real rider die for me. And he was very open to things that you might not think an old schooler would be open to. So he was open to like throwing challenges and pretty intricate like split vote plans. And yeah, so it was interesting. And it was fun to play with different people. So yeah, I think I'm sort of school agnostic. Yeah, I believe that's true. I think people generally if you are open-minded-ish, like you get out there and you learn people and you meet people and then you gravitate towards and there's no era that defines who you necessarily are your people. Who were you intimidated by? You said you were intimidated. Who was intimidating to you? Oh, 23 other people have like literally everybody. Yeah, yeah, truly everybody. Um, maybe except for so to be honest, the R.I.Z.G.O.D. stuff. And I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, that's cute. But he's super capable. So then I was like, oh, no, because it's like, okay, if you're intimidated by someone, that's not good. But if you're not intimidated by enough and you underestimate someone, then that's almost worse, arguably worse, I would say. That's how I live my life. Just underestimating every single person, every step of the way and constantly getting caught out by it and never learning my lesson. Oh, well, I'm just afraid of everybody. So that's why I hide in my house and win a bag. So maybe somewhere in the middle. Does anyone have a healthy approach? Anybody else on the floor? Okay. Um, when you hit the beach day one, was there anybody you were really excited to meet or get to know or had plans of playing with? I was the most curious about coach. I really wanted to know, like, how real is everything I've seen? And from my experience, I would say it's like 100% real. And they're like, you know, different shades the many sides, the many moods of coach. But yeah. Um, but I loved it. Like, I'm, I am a pretty open-minded person and we had a great time. So Well, yeah, did coach give you a nickname? No, no. But like, if you ever speak to him again, can you ask him to give me one, please? Well, it's funny. You say that because I have Benjamin Coach Wade texting me as we're talking. Oh, no. Yeah. Wait a minute. If the nickname's bad, don't say, like I'm too fragile. There's no nickname. He just said, he just, he just said, well, at least I held it together for half the season because we see, because we see him kind of have a meltdown in the preview for next episode. And so, yeah. So I can ask him for a nickname. But he might respond in time. We still have a few minutes here. Well, let's fill a buster. Okay. Let me tell you, what did I have for breakfast? Oh, on my third house, now, yeah. Jenny, if they had been at that 17 person merge, if what were the like the dynamics before they broke you up into three tribes of five, were you in a good group? Or like, what if that had been a tribal council of 17? I would have much preferred a tribal council of 17, rally. I, I mean, I think I was in a good group. You know, time would tell. But I think there were other names floating around of people who had been easier to pick up. I had a pretty solid crew from Vaatu, like my first tribe, and then swapping with coach and Chrissy. I think there was enough there that I could have, you know, hidden amongst the group for a little bit. And so yeah, I would have much preferred just like a normal non-blood moon, you know, whatever other stages of the lunar cycle like this, like any of those could have been cool for me. You get what you get and I got a pink rock. And so now like, I'll never wear the color pink again for the rest of my life. Forever and ever and ever. Tell you accidentally wear it and something good happens. Yeah. That's what is too good. I can't write off pink. Come on. Yeah. That's really good. Yeah. Okay. I did want to ask you about the Billie Eilish idol. Okay. Do you like it? If you were not the victim of it twice, would you like seeing it on future seasons? Or do you think we should kill it? I think it depends when it's introduced and how it's introduced. I think it's a much more interesting mechanic. Come merge. I can see you smiling, guys, and I can't even focus. So no, no, short answer. No, I don't like it. And what's the nickname? Okay. Here we go. All right. So to close it off, coach gave you a nickname here via text message. We have a Tomo gozen, a legendary warrior famous for her bravery in the Jen pie war. Other prominent fighters include Nekono, take Coco, who led a woman's army. It just talks about other people. So Tomo gozen. Tomo gozen. Tomo gozen. Okay. That's how I feel. I've been wondering what is real. There's a Wikipedia page. Yeah. I think he actually, I think he used the computer to find this one. I like it. But it worked. You're Tomo gozen from now on. You don't have to legally change your name, but if you do, we won't hold it against you. Genevieve, we're so sad. You're gone. I was hoping to see much more of you and would have loved to see that Aubrey versus Genevieve a battle in a field of 17 players rather than just a handful. Yeah. So sometimes then's the brakes, sending love. And I'm sure we'll see in the future. And you've got a bright future, Genevieve. Don't don't beat yourself up. Sometimes winning a million dollars is unhealthy for a person. So if you don't take that approach, you'll be fine. Send love and send a dog. And you know, I'm telling you, you talk tomorrow and I'll get you a dog. Okay. We'll get you a dog. Okay. Thank you so much. You all right, Ashley. What did you think of Genevieve? I think she's so cool. I don't get, she's so she said that people don't usually like bond with her immediately. And I'm like kind of perplexed by that. She seems very open. And I'm assuming because she maybe is too nice. And then when you're meeting her on the survivor playing field, you're like, is this real? Like who else is she talking to? So it kind of makes you feel, but I like her. I would have been like, yeah, let's hang out. It was born with police survivors. So I agree with that. When this during this interview, I was like, she's so personable and so fun and funny and and charming and all of those things. I also met her in person once here in Phoenix, not too long ago when survivor did their thing. And she seemed a little overwhelmed by the group and the crowds and the fans and maybe even me. She talked about being intimidated a little bit. And then I believe that she communicates differently as she either gets more intense or more focused and less playful. And I'm envisioning because as we're watching her on TV, it kind of seems like that's what we're getting from her versus this much more flavor. We should have survivor in her house. And then so she can be comfortable and have fun. Like that's the only way to do it. Yes, they should have it in Winnipeg. Winnipeg edition confined to Genevieve's home with 24 survivor players. Then she'd win. I get it. Okay. Yeah. So I think that that probably had a role. And you do like you go out there and you want to win. And you're like, I didn't win last time. I'm dead set on winning. Like I was close last time. I'm going to do everything in my power. You add that extra pressure to yourself and it can make it even worse. Yeah. And a lot of that's a common mistake with returning players. I'm guilty of that same play of overplaying to not underplay to make amends for the past only to make it worse. Yeah, fighting that last war. Yeah. So I totally get it. Riley. So it's on Genevieve. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm so I'm very similar to Genevieve in this way and like taking a long time to warm up to people. I've had like times before where I've been like, oh, this person like, yeah, I kind of know them. Then I'm like, wait, I've known them for like four years. I guess we're friends, you know, like obviously, or whatever it is. You know, it's stuff like that too. So it's, you know, the way that she has like put so much effort into these bonds. I'm like, I would be the same way. So I feel very bummed that she's gone. I like watching her this season. And you know, I think that we can take stock of it and be like, is she like one of the unluckiest players in survivor history, you know, getting all of her oral alliance gets blown up, Kyle gets meted act. She finds two idols, has no idols, you know, she's a remarkably good good spirits in her conversation with her. I think, you know, having that time to reflect probably helps, but this one's things. Yeah, I thought so too. Do you both think it stings worse if it's just happenstance bad luck or or is it softer if you're like, well, it was just bad luck. I did all I could do. I think it's softer actually. I guess, you know, I think it's things worse for us as a viewer, because it's almost yeah, because it sucks. It's like, God, I didn't know to care if they do it to them. So like, we understand. If I were in Genevieve's shoes, I would just be like, you know what, there's nothing I could have done. Right. I found two idols, you know, and I didn't have any. I got swaps onto a five person tribe with, you know, the one person I can't work with and the two people who gave her an idol. So that's a three right there that you're just not going to be able to break. Her only chance was to win that immunity and of course, I'm sure she left it all out there and didn't win and that's that, you know, it's just that's luck of the draw. And I feel like we've talked to so many different contestants on this pod, including ones you have not played in many many many years and it's like they carry these like scars with them or they're like, what if I had done this? What if I'd realized this person was lying? What if I had said this way or voted this way instead or whatever? Well, Jennifer shouldn't have any of those scars from this season because there was literally nothing she could have done. Yeah. Right. I do agree. Unless, again, unless somehow, unless she messed up that Aubrey relationship somehow, but it just, it just sounds like, you know, Aubrey didn't trust her and I don't know, eventually we'll get Aubrey's take on it, but I mean, it's just like, I don't know what you're going to do. Like, Genevieve, there's just nothing to do. I feel like you're just trying to die this season on that try. Such a bummer. Yeah. I agree. Well, hopefully she heals completely. It gets a dog and another dog. And it would be fun to see her play again. Yeah. So all right, that'll do it here at the pod has spoken this week. Thank you all for tuning in and for all the love and support throughout all the season so far. We've got a lot of coverage left. So subscribe, like, share, whatever you got to do to help share the good word of the pod has spoken. Thank you, Riley and Ashley for always being here and co-hosting Ashley also for making us sound and look amazing. Till next week. See you.