‘Survivor 50’ Episode 5 Exit Interview! | The Pod Has Spoken

ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОНОК ДИНАМИЧНАЯ МУЗЫКА -Всё, это "Эксит-Пресс-Дей". Мы уже had a double elimination last night. Спойлерс ahead. Если вы не не используете этот эписотов-сорбивер, то их и then listen to our podcast with Mo Gainer covering the entire episode. И then come here and listen to our "Эксит-Пресс" with the two eliminated castaways. And let's get into it. Here we go, castaway number one, Angelina, one of our dear podcast friends, you left us way too soon. Deva down, Tyson, we got a Deva down, that's it, one Deva down, where did it go wrong with Christian? You guys came from the same season, it seemed like there was something there, like "Ты что, Френз?Was it, did you overestimate the friendship?" "Did he throw it in the trash like what, what is your take on that?" -So we like, and Christian, Mike was the glue. Mike was the lunchpin. Christian and I, we have always had like a little bit of a survivor feud, right? And I started, I threw the first punch, right? I went after him for those who recall many years ago. "Даби Берско Леот мертв" - я was like, "This guy is so charming. It all came from a great place of, like, love and admiration, but I'm like, "Yo, this guy has everyone wrapped around his finger. He's so charming, he's so funny, he's endearing, he, you know, disarming is the word I would use, right? For Christian, and I clocked that as soon as we hit the merge, and I tried to get the Goliaths to take out Christian first, but he had already gotten Dan and others around him, his broochaches around his finger, and so that did not happen until Mike put some wind с сейлами on the second boat. So that's the lore with me and Christian is that I kind of put a target on him in David versus Goliath. I would say he put a target on himself by being so magnetic. But that's where it all started. And we were, you know, we've been friendly. We are cordial. We're still cordial. I, you know, saw him and his wife, Emily at the premiere congratulated them on their baby. I mean, parenthood is like the biggest blessing of time. And so I'm one who can put the game aside. И также, как он не не обидал меня, right? Like, Christian, я не верю, так и так. Like, я не верю, он не верю, но Mike верю, both of us. So Mike was the bridge, holding us all together, but it was definitely real wobbly. -Okay, what we're seeing on this episode, ИНТРИГУЮЩАЯ МУЗЫКА ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОНОК ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОНОК ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОНОК ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОННОК ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОННЫЙ ЗВОННОК ТЕЛЕФОННЫЙ ЗВОННЫЙ ЗВОННОК Я не очень умею о том, как это гейм, как это гейм, я субтитал, я люблю my life, like we're cool, но я was sitting next to her at the premiere, like I'm a good sport, I'll put it that way, I'm a good sport, I mean you saw that in me giving the jack, yeah, I came for a good time, obviously not for a long time, and I, you know, I just wanted to run it back, and like, unfortunately, you know, it, it came, I'm getting like my St Angelina saying, like, "Queen, you're boring now, what happened, what happened, Dave, I'm not boring, I promise, I just, you know, I was just under the radar on purpose, you know?" And so, you know, I just want my, want my St Angelina's to know, I still got it, you guys, okay, I promise. >> I want to, before I give it to Riley and Ashley, you talked about playing under the radar on purpose, do you regret that now, because my stance on token chains was, I can't guarantee that I can win this thing, but I can guarantee that I can be a character, I know I can be a character, and so that's the thing I can control is just being the most Tyson I can be, you, you still maintain that playing under the radar was your- >> Look, I was still playful. Like, I was still- >> Yeah, you were fun out there, you just weren't to like, you know- >> I was fun in your face. >> I was not intentionally over the top, because I was like, for what, you know what I mean, like, yes, I did the fashion show, but that was all to have fun. Like, like, I wasn't trying to get screen time. I wasn't trying to like, be someone else. I just came out myself. Like, and the under the, I call it under the radar, but like, another reframing of that is just being calm, a reasonable, level-headed person that doesn't translate well to TV, which is fine. Like, I don't need to be the star of the show. You know, and so that being said, I will say, and I, you know, it's pretty abysmal, the lack of female voices on this season, and we need to get into that in a little bit, but you know, so it's not even about me. It's not about my confessional account or any of that bullshit. Like, I don't care about any of that, truly. It's not why I went back. And I didn't need to be a character. I was just myself, and then you get little clips here and there of like me telling Q that I had a problem with my order, with a Q skirt, and like, fun bantering things like that. It just didn't make it. That's fine, but I was, I was playful. I was having a good time. I was just trying to be low-key. I wasn't trying to start the pot, because I had to mitigate that ghost of Angelina past, which is a chaotic player. I knew there were rumors that I was targeting old school. I think Christian started on to, like, kind of muddy the, you know, muddy the water for me before I even started. I mean, that guy had a hit list. He knew exactly who he was going to take out and win. And so anyway, that's all to say, you know, I knew that, like, I knew that Stephanie and Colby were just, like, never going to work on this to me. I tried. I really, really tried. And it was just, like, hitting a brick wall, literally. And I was like, okay, and some people, you're just never going to be able to convince, you know, and I was like, it's true. But like, you just, you really, truly lose some and you win some. And I don't think there was a different way for me to play. I think this was my best strategy. I think I got two really shitties tribes, given me and my history and my connections. And I, you know, I, of course, you know, you tell yourself things to sleep at night, but I do believe if I would have hit the merge, I would have had so much gas in the tank and, like, people and other types of personalities that would have just really meshed with me a lot better. And that I could have maybe found a way to move forward further deeper into the game. But we'll never know. I don't know if you're going to be forward to playing with at the merge. Ah, so many people. Who was like, not like, you were, I love everyone. I am like an equal opportunity employer. You guys, like, I literally am like, I can find good in everyone. Like, even if you've written my name down, I'm like, I see, I'm like, you, whatever. I was excited to play with Christy. I was excited to play with Dee Tiffany. I mean, these powerhouse women, like, these confident players, you know, I was excited to play with Coach. Like, give me some coach. Like, you get, like, we miss out. And like, Coach and I get along, like, I'd like to think, Coach and I get along really well. And, and we're both obviously big personalities. And I was like, just excited to like, to get to know him and play with them. And I was like, Oh, dang it. It's like my bucket list. I'm just getting to exist on a beach with coach, like, taking away. I'm going to have to steal him and take him to feed you one day, just for us. Yeah. Well, make sure you film that. Done. I'll bring the pod. You guys can come. Okay. You can be our crew. We're in. We're in. We'll just got to get the budget approval. Got it. Right. You got more? Well, well, I wanted to touch on the thing that you were starting to talk about the the women being under edited this season, you know, one one thing that stood out to me this episode was like after the mic vote, we get Ozzie's temper tantrum coming back. We never hear from you. So what was your reaction to that and like has that kind of relate to we're not hearing as much from women this season? I mean, it's extremely disappointing to be honest like and and here's the thing here's the here's the rub Jeff Matt all a survivor production. They know who they brought on when they brought me on. They know that I am someone who does not hesitate to speak out when I see something that I'm like, that's not right. And I think what's going on right now in season 50 is not right. I think that they should honestly be ashamed by the lack of a female experiences that we're seeing out there. The fact that Tiffany has less confessionals than Zach, what's his name? Zach Brown. Zach Brown. Come on. Like, you think Tiffany doesn't have a story to tell. You think Tiffany's not a compelling good, no, come on. And so again, it's not just about any one particular person. I'm telling you right now, there is a group text of women from this season and we are not happy. Okay. They need to step it up. They need to do better. If they are still out editing season 50, turn it around. Okay. There's still time, bros. All right. There's still time. Let's get some more. Let's get some more, some more thoughts in there. Okay. Let's get some more, some more women going. Okay. And again, it's all about equity. It's a reality TV show. Right. I'm not expecting 50, 50. I'm not expecting, you know, it's not a nonprofit. Okay. But I do think that they are lacking a sense of care. And also like the fans are noticing now, like the fans, what is up with this? Like this is weird. And we're hearing this from the same people. You know what? And my theory is that they are reverting to like an older school formula. Like I feel like I'm watching Susan 15, no offense Tyson. But like I feel like I'm watching like I wasn't even on the show back then. I know, I know, but you know, like the olden days, the times before. Okay. Yeah. The land before time. And, and I feel like we're watching, like I feel like I feel like they heard all this feedback from 40. Like, it's too mushy. And the reason I went back is because I was like, oh, they care for stories now. Like, oh, they're actually being thoughtful about their players. Oh, there's women winning, winning. There are, there are people winning who aren't the typical prototype. And so I, that gave me hope, that gave me optimism. And now I'm watching the season. Like is it 50 or 15? Like really? Like do better, do better, guys. Well, let's have one more question, we've been told to wrap it up here. Ashley, our female voice. Yes. Yeah. For Angelina. So obviously your edit was a bit lighter than we've wanted. And we heard a few moments, like you've talked about a few moments that they just did not have in the show. Are there special moments that you had with your tribe that just weren't shown, haven't been talked about that you wish would have been shown on the show? Yeah. I, for me, a really profound moment that I thought was meaningful, especially given that we, we are, we met because of survivor and it showed the, the power of survivor to bring people together was reuniting with Mike and my first conversation with Mike on our swap tribe. I saw him and I just, and I meant to every word I said, you matter more to me than this game. I will never betray Mike. And I said, I, I, that was not my plan. That was not my plan coming in, but seeing him and just feeling like we were literally back on the beach that we started Goliath on seven years before, same beach. And, and he's just a dear, dear person to me and I mean, he made my older daughter laugh for the first time when she was two months old on the back porch during COVID. Like that's the stuff that transcends the game, right? And so just seeing him out there, I told him, I said, you matter more to me than this game, you matter more to me than winning more than a million dollars. And I said, and only because it's a million dollars and said, maybe if it was two or three, we'd have to reevaluate our right now, you matter more. And I love you and I'm in it with you. And so, you know, I, it's, it's, it's disappointing to see, you know, the cut of me and Mike, because I feel like they, they told the audience, but they didn't show the audience like really what that connection was and why and, and so I was surprised that that didn't, didn't show. And then, of course, if they didn't show how devastated I was to lose a dear friend. And again, it's, it comes back to the power of the show. And how it brings people together and the experience bonds you. Um, and I think to me personally, I think that's more compelling TV than watching Jonathan Fart or watching Jeff do impersonations, but I could be wrong. I could really be wrong on this. Yeah. I would love to delve into the impersonations, but you're going to be late for your flight, Angelina. Oh, thank you so much for all your time. We love you. We love you. And we wish we got to see more of you and that you would have lasted longer. Um, and we have so much more to talk about than I wish we could, but we got to get you home to your family. So another day. Okay, guys. Another day. All the love in the world. Thank you so much, Angelina. Love you guys. By the way, thank you. Thank you. All right. I was very bummed to see Angelina go. I thought we, we, her story was lacking a bit and glad we got to touch on that. Like we said, Riley, we didn't get to see her reaction to her closest ally going home. We got to see Ozzy. Um, I do understand like we want to tell everyone's story, but also like is Ozzy's future story being told? And so we had to have that. Could we have had both? I think there's room for both if we just skipped Jeff's impersonations of those three contestants. Yeah, I mean, I definitely don't want to cut Ozzy's temper tantrum, though. Right. I mean, that's good stuff, but I also have liked to have had a confessional or two from Angelina about what it means that her closest ally just got cut. Yeah. And I also, I mean, we had, we have to dig more into Angelina. I know I said that, but like she has so much to say and we want to hear from her. She's one of those contestants that went to the end last time and didn't win. And I wanted to say, which hurts worse, like getting voted out like this or getting to the end and not getting votes, um, maybe Charlie can speak on that. Maybe we'll have time for Charlie to speak on that a little bit as he comes up later, uh, or next, um, but I also wanted to talk on Angelina telling Mike White that she would not betray him no matter what. And I think that that is, it's not necessarily a flaw in the game. I feel that way about people. There are people in my life that I played survivor with that I would like just write or die. Like it's not worth me betraying this person for whatever. And, um, but I do think that with these pre-existing relationships and feeling like that about certain people as your playing survivor, you're not going to get as cut throat of a game sometimes. You're not getting the bloodbath that the viewers, it want to expect because Angelina voting Mike White out would be riveting and dramatic television, but Angelina is unwilling to do that. Mike, I have to assume was also unwilling to do that because he stuck his neck out for Angelina and so much that he actually became the target. Yeah. We like that dynamic, do we think that slows the game? Is it less compelling? Should we have seen that on camera? I think it's a balance, right? Because then you have Charlie who was, you know, betrayed. And so you have like the two different ways of like you have Angelina who wasn't betrayed by Mike White, but then it still ruined her game. And then Charlie who was betrayed and then that kind of messed him up. So I feel like if you betray your closest allies, it could traumatize them so badly that they can do really, really bad on survivor, but if you create such a big bond that you're never ever going to betray each other, then it can also make you have a really bad game. So I'm not sure how. There's, yeah, it's definitely like a balance of, I feel like there's certain people that unless they gave me license to kill, I'm not taking a shot. It's not a lot of people, but there are people that I feel like, okay, the sting of me going for them before they tried to go for me would be too detrimental to our relationship outside of the game. And I'm not willing to throw that away. Okay. I think that's good for the show, too, you know, it brings stakes to it. The every player on the beach is like, I'm a schemer and I'll cut anybody to get ahead. That would become really boring, you know, it would be too homogenous of gameplay. You need some of these bonds where it's like, well, I just can't break that or whatever. You know, there's a lot of like last season, I go back to the last season where we wanted Sophie to betray Rizzo and Savannah, right? Yeah. And I think she would have won the game if she'd done so, but she chose not to because that friendship matter more to her and those three are still tight now outside the game. And that's an interesting choice. Yeah. That's like compelling television. It's compelling storytelling. And so, you know, if I were in Sophie's position, I would have cut those people. I think, but maybe not if I actually spent, you know, 20 plus days, three weeks with them, maybe I wouldn't have. So that's what's interesting about the show. Mm-hmm. - Yeah, you are right actually. That's what makes the show still operate is that it's not all pure strategy or have layers of emotion. - And it seems like there's some bad blood this season two of some of these players like where you've got, you know, you got like Mike and Christian seem like that's like an actual problem between the two of them. And it sucks for them. I mean, nobody wants to be feuding with people if they were once close with or whatever. But for us, it's like, oh, this is really compelling and interesting. You know, it's kind of better for this, even if it's a little bit, you know, it can also leave a little bit of a sour taste too. It's still interesting. - Yeah, it is interesting and it's at their expense, not ours. So, you know, what we are doing to call us you if you're giving the thumbs up or the thumbs down. Yeah, it is. Let's talk about the female voices not being heard. Like, you can see that a little bit and it didn't, I don't think it fully resonated with me till Angelina started saying that, but we get even Jeff doing three male impersonations. I guess he's a man. So maybe it's probably easier, but who would he do if he was a, if he had to do a female impersonation? - He could have done Angelina. - Yeah. - Carolyn, if Carolyn had a season, he could have done a Carolyn impersonation, maybe. And I also wanted to, do you guys think that Jeff did more impersonations than the three? I wanted to ask Angelina that. You think he did like 10 of them and then cut the best three? - I think he did the 30 minutes of stand-up for them. (laughing) - Which is so weird during tribal council when somebody's game is ending. Somebody's dying. - Yeah. - Essentially in the game. And Jeff's performing for the audience. - It's a little weird. - It's like juggling at a funeral. Like what? (laughing) I don't know how the, I don't know how the players feel about it. - Yeah. - But it's, - You're probably right that it would have been better done at like a challenge or something where the tone is a little higher. 'Cause I did actually think is, these questions are like, they're kind of good. Like compared to the rapping. You know, this is like a million times per a million to the rapping, to me. - Oh for sure. - So. But probably the wrong thing. - You know, I was also, when Angelina mentioned the lack of female voices, I was, it was definitely like, yeah. Oh my gosh, that makes 100% sense. Like, but I am wondering and hoping that survivor 50 will get into the Genevieve and Aubrey opportunity to give them like, almost like the Charlie and Rizzo arc that Charlie got. 'Cause Charlie got like a pretty decent like storyline through that. And I'm hoping that they're trying to set us up for that. But she's a hundred percent right. With Genevieve, we barely got any confessionals. Of course, we always talk about TIFF. I just saw a chart recently and TIFF has 0.4 in comparison to like 10. Like it's just, she has absolutely no- - I'm on the look at the same thing. You are 0.4 confessionals perhaps. So she said two confessionals through five episodes. - Yeah. - Ridiculous. - And it's like, if you just look at, so this is the survivor fact checker Instagram, they do a good job of compiling this stuff. If you just look at the bottom five for this season, it's Camilla, Jonathan D. Chrissy and Tiffany. - Yeah. - That's a people who are still left in the game. Angelina was actually tied with Camilla as well. So of the bottom six, five of them are women. And those are all people with an averaging under two confessionals per episode. Everybody else is at least two per episode or more. All the way up to, you know, Christian is getting seven per episode, right? - That's what I thought, yeah. - That's wild. - And obviously he's been at the center of a bunch of votes and go and travel council and stuff. But, you know, some of them-- - I'm intrigued to know what is, why this is happening, what, 'cause there's no way that all of the female players have absolutely no storylines going on. Nothing's going on at all. No connections are happening. So why is there more of a, like a little turn this way? And, hopefully it changes as we're like slowly, just illuminating like tons of people every single episode. Maybe it'll give them more chance, more breathing room. As long as we just keep away from, like, more Zach Brown episodes, I feel like we can-- - I mean, we've got a Mr. Beast thing coming up like that. - We're gonna get-- - So we're gonna get the confessional, so he gets 40 minutes on Mr. Beast. - And, yeah, I saw that chart, too. And it is, like, do you have the chart in front of you? - I do, yeah. - Okay, so where does the top female rank? - You have Genevieve, or sorry, Emily has 19 confessionals. She's third on the season. - On the season. - Right, at the top two of Christian and Ozzy, they have 35 and 34, respectively. So they're just, like, massively out-confessionally and everybody else. Ozzy, they've been to every tribal council. So is Emily, right? - Yes. - So they've gotten, definitely featured more there. - Yeah. - Yeah, and so yeah. - How was Surrey on the-- - Surrey's open strong, but yeah. - She had a bunch and then it just kind of-- And she's been to almost every tribal as well, so. - And Chrissy was absolutely invisible. I don't even think we saw her face last night. - Yeah. - Yeah, she was-- - Maybe I had the challenge. - I think we saw her at the challenge and she was surprised about Mike White not being there. And then that was it. - Yeah, crazy. Well, we'll see. The thing is, is that the season is already edited. It's probably done being edited. I doubt they're going back to the drawing board. So if we do see more female voices, that was already their plan. It's not like they're seeing this feedback and going back and changing the second half of the season. It's in the can, it's already done. It's been approved. This is what we're getting. So if it does improve for those female voices, then that just happened. It was not them reacting to this. - And in a can, I mean, last season, we had Sophie S, who had massively quiet pre-merge and then became a huge player in the coming squad. So sometimes they do edit it. - It does happen like that. - People that way, but it needs to have them for Tiffany if she's going to be our winner pick. - She's literally going to win and no one's going to know how she did it. She's going to have a big long speech at the end and it's going to show clips that we've never seen before of her orchestrating everything. So that's my part. - She's getting like the Erica edit. - Yes. - Yeah, invisible the whole way and up until final chart will come. - No, we don't want that. We need whoever. - We don't need more. - We don't want that. We need more Tiffany. We need whoever wins. We need to see that truly winning this thing. All right, well, I'm glad we got to hear from her and she seems in very good spirits. Let's hope, but I kind of don't think that Charlie is in as good of spirits. It seems he'll be okay, but he definitely seemed a lot darker and broodier on this season of survivor and if we'll see how that translates to his exit here. So let's get into Charlie. We're here with the Charlie Davis Charlie. I've been seeing some exit press already being released and I have to commend you on your award-winning mustache. - Wow, wait, are people talking or that? - I'm talking. I see the mustache and I'm talking about it. I might be the first to mention has anybody else said anything about the mustache? - You know, some soft mention, some notices, but I'm glad you're calling attention to it 'cause I just put it on for this exit press for my press work, so yeah, yeah, thank you. - I think it's befitting and you should roll with it longer. You're gonna get rid of it after this? - No, I'm gonna let it ride. - Yeah, let it ride. - It's been a couple of weeks, yeah. - Yeah, I think it looks very handsome. - Thank you. - Charlie, how are you? - I'm good, honestly, it feels like there's a weight off my shoulders. Like, you know, a little bit of like uneasiness and anxiety like going into your boot episode. And so I'm just like, honestly, now I feel like and doing all the press, getting to talk about it has been good. So yeah, I feel like I'm definitely lighter and yeah, like a weight's off, so it's good. I'm good. - You looked like there was a lot of weight on you this season. Was like, not heavy, not like, oh yeah, eight to star. But an emotional heaviness. Was that present the entire time? 'Cause you looked tense, you looked very distra in moments over the whole Rizzo thing. Like how, from our vantage point, it looked like it was a 24/7. - Yeah. emotional torture, is that what it was? - No, no, definitely, definitely not. And certainly, obviously they didn't show much of like original collo tribe. And there was like none of that going on over there. And then like, I'm not gonna sit here and be like, oh, it was a dishonest narrative. Like I was definitely saying all that. And it was an honest feeling and an honest reason for targeting Rizzo. But there was like definitely more going on both behind like why I wanted to target Rizzo. Like, and I think we had a more complex relationship than just me being like, I hate him 'cause he didn't vote for his number one, even though that's not even true. Like, you know, it's more complex than that. You know, we had good bonding moments and fun moments together too. - Okay, why are we only seeing this from you? Like this season is the Charlie has to get Rizzo out at all costs. What is, yeah, I mean, I think I totally get like, like them showing that, I think it makes, it makes for a good narrative. Like not only for like this season, but also like my prior-- - Your future season, Rizzo versus Charlie. - Rizzo versus Charlie captain season. Yeah, my gosh, that'd be funny. But yeah, I think it just, it was a good story to follow along and I definitely like, you know, again, like I was, I was, you know, going in on that. So, but I had, you know, more strategic reasons to target Rizzo to for sure that I was, that I was pushing out to folks obviously they didn't take. But yeah, I thought, you know, for example, I thought like, he was probably the least connected person, definitely the least connected person in terms of like, having friendships outside the game and he pre-game alliances or in-game alliances. So I thought taking him out would like, keep our hands the cleanest. And I also thought like the flip side of that coin, I was worried that he was gonna become someone who basically everyone would try to scoop up and be like, Rizzo doesn't know anyone else, but he knows me like, we're tight. And then he would basically just be able to build like tons of alliances from there. So I think, you know, I wish they, you know, that more of that had been shown, but I totally get like, you know, the story they were telling and I think it was, it was well done. Was that truly your demise was going to hard at Rizzo? - I don't know if that was my demise. I think more of my demise was like, I, you know, just not knowing that Camilla and D were like wary of me. That was more of it or like mismanaging those relationships, which like I really did, I did not expect them to flip on me whatsoever. Like and they don't show it on Callow, but I was like, I was definitely in tight with them and Tiffany, they were like those three, Tiffany D, Camilla were like pretty out in the open as an alliance. I think they were playing a pretty like cards on the table game. And I was not as much cards on the table as they were. So I think that's kind of what led to eventually them like wanting to get me out. I think we're just playing very different games. Like I sort of wanted in the pre-merge. So like, like I was saying, like not have too much blood on my hands. And I think they were more willing, obviously, to like take a big shot to bathe in blood. Yeah, like they were just they were in Camilla gave that confessional she was like, I'm excited to like not play on her in integrity. And like, so I think they were ready to just take a shot. And on Callow, they were like really not like open war against Chrissy, but like it was really just like Chrissy. And then those three women like targeting each other a pretty hardcore. And I was not like as out in the open. I was like, why are we making so many enemies? Like before the merge and all that. So it's just different different philosophies and hey, they got me. So what can I say? OK, well, last thing from me before I turn it over to my co-hosts, we saw you on your original season. Your heart shattered into a trillion pieces while everyone else is trying to eat pizza and drink champagne. And you're trying your best to hold it together. Now you're a fairly early boot. I mean, it's halfway through the season. It's not that early. Yeah. But would you rather be in the position you were last time you played losing in the end to a heartbreaker where you believed you possibly could win this thing? Yeah. Or go out early. Oh, for sure. For sure, it'll still get second in a heartbreak if you know, you invest so much time in casting and preparation and all the pregame press and then actually playing the game, put so much into it and then to go out early is pretty brutal. I mean, I not say I didn't get anything out of the experience or didn't write the experience. But it was really fun going far and doing really well. So I would definitely still take that even though it was tough. OK, I don't know if my ego could take losing in the final because I've already convinced myself that any final I would ever be a part of, I would win. That's actually a good point. I think I did say, and so maybe I should revise. I think my work, I said before I was like my worst result would be getting to final tribal council and losing again. So maybe if I truly believe that, maybe I should have answered differently, but I think I'd still prefer to go far. But now, right now in this corner, now out of the game, yeah, when I said, he's still going home. My first five tribal council, like, yeah, I was an idiot. Obviously, I want to go far. OK, I got one more then. Yeah. Does getting blindsided sting as bad as you imagined it would? Yeah, like worse the same. Exactly. Did you know? I knew and I always go back to in 46 when we blindsided Hunter, when he had his idol. Yeah, like I, it's still like burned into my brain. Like he was almost like squirming in his chair, because that was a brutal one, because we had to revote. And he, he just had to be there while we were revoting. And he knew like he was going to be going home. So like, I was like very much burned into my brain and I was like, damn, like, I'm like really sucks, like having to happen. And it, yeah, for sure did. So any more understanding for Maria, after you yourself feeling the sting of a blindside or? Yeah, I mean, I guess so, but I also, I mean, I didn't blindside her when I voted her out either. But, but you know, I definitely, you know, more understanding, for sure, I think, I think I took that away from this season as well. Or just not wanting to hold on to that as tightly. OK, well, every human could probably benefit from getting blindsided on survivor and might make him a better person. So I'm glad you got to have that experience. Yeah. Or Riley, what do you have for Charlie? Charlie, when did you learn that kind of your, the idea of 49 and Rizzo voting for his number one, did it kind of didn't really play out like that? Was that when you went back to Ponderosa and talked to Savannah? Yeah, I talked to, I talked to Sav, Savannah. Like, and at that point, I was like, oh my god, I just didn't get to that point. And that, I mean, it was like, oh, man, if they go with this narrative, which obviously they did, I was like, the fans are going to be so confused. Because like half the fans probably don't even realize that like I didn't see 49. And so lo and behold, I've gotten like so many comments and DMs and be like, but that like, but Rizzo was number ones with Savannah. Like, don't you know, I was like, no, I didn't know. I didn't know crap about what was going on in 49. So it was, but honestly, it was just funny. You have to laugh at that point. You're like, already out of the game and yeah. I don't know if it happened to you, but the original time I played, I would get DMs during airing that were like, heads up next week. These guys are kind of going for you. And he's like, we, this played out your back eight months ago. Yeah. And you don't think that like if it was real time, I would be watching the show and then adjusting my game. Like I, so there were people, there were people have been like, are you going, are you going out? Like when do you fly back out for the, for the next one? I was like, I don't. Yeah. Like for the next episode, like week to week, we go fly out there. Right. Okay. So that's still the belief of some people. Okay. Continue Riley. Sorry. I just had to share that because I like talking about myself. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's going to fall up and ask like, how Rizzo represent his relationship with Savannah? Did he just like dramatically be like, oh, we didn't really work together that much? Or was it a little more nuanced? I don't remember him talking about it that much. I, I think he, I think he said he was tight with, I think he wasn't like, I, you know, we weren't working together at all. I think he said they had an alliance. Yeah. I'll remember him saying he would talk about her. He would say something along the lines of like, oh, she like rub some people the wrong way, but like ultimately like they respected her or something. It was like, that's really all he said that I remember about about her. So. Okay. Uh, well, thank you. I'll kick it over to Ashley. Um, so we know that Rizzo is your main target. Uh, at least in the editing world. Yeah, yeah. No, that's that's true. Yeah. If you knew that Rizzo was like, not an option who would have been your second target on that tribe, probably devins. Yeah. Um, probably devins. Um, and the reason for that was literally right when we got there, Jonathan, like came up to us and was like, devins is solid. Like devins is, good and he's like totally good with us. And I was like, whoa, we've been here for like two minutes. So I don't know, it just like made me a little bit wary about like those two. So yeah, and I think I even like talked with like definitely Dean Camilla about that about being like, kind of like that was kind of weird like. But also like I don't know, I was in good with Jonathan especially like once we got to that beach. So in whether this like was my undoing or not, like I was sort of up the mind of like, there's no reason to like, ruffle anyone too badly. Like when when there's I in my mind a chance to get someone out and not make anyone too mad. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean, I agree with that. It's a numbers like how many people are going to be pissed off when we come back to camp after an exit. Yeah, and you do want to minimize that as much as you can. So yeah, it makes perfect sense. And if you could do it differently. Yeah, how would you approach it? Well, honestly, I think for me like assuming the tribe swap was the same, like I would have to be like so different from the gun. And it would really take a realization that like Dean Camilla were were wary or uneasy with me. Like, so I would have I would have had to like go to them and like really like hash it out and be like, guys, like I'm I'm locked in with you guys like whether in whether maybe that meant like wouldn't mean like pitching Jonathan or something. I don't know. So yeah, it would have taken like a big correction. I don't think it would be as simple as like me saying maybe if I targeted Devons, it would have been would have been different. So so that's that's that's maybe like a possibility. But but I think ultimately like I just I'd had to manage the Dean Camilla relationships better. So that would have been that would have been what I would do differently for sure. Ashley, you got more. You know what? I might have a fan question really quick. Oh, let's do it. In the hands of the fans. You add the D, right? Of course I did. Yeah, yeah, I thought it's spoken. Of course I did. Well, let's see. Here's a fan question. If Taylor Swift had an idol out there, what do you think it's advantage would have been? Ooh, okay. You know, something something with like because she's done her like Taylor's version albums, right? And those songs, those albums, I'll have vault songs. So I'm trying to think if there would be like a some sort of like vault advantage. So here's, okay, here's what I would do. It would be an idol that if you maybe something like if you didn't play it for like a certain number of tribal councils, you would get like another advantage like from the vault or something. So like kind of it baits you into not playing it for a while. So there we go. Actually, I kind of like that kind of pending. Yeah. Yeah, TM. Okay. Yeah, I don't hate that. Anything that happened out there that you were hoping fans were going to see for the entirety of the season. I know I every time I've been on a TV show, I'm like, I hope they show that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, honestly, like there were no like real singular moments like I wasn't there that long. I didn't go to it. It's not like it was part of any like big like moves or anything like that. So like there wasn't anything super like big that I was like, oh, I think they didn't show that. But like just generally they didn't show like early collo tribe much at all. So I would love to see more of that. Like there was some good strategy and like, I'll say, I think drama as well, like going on that kind of like between Chrissy and the Alliance of women and sort of everyone sort of interacting with that dynamic. So that would have been fun to see. But you know, we didn't go to tribal. Also, like they're coach, you saw like coaches calf injury. Like there was so much like, yeah, he was getting like massages from us like multiple times a day. You were massaging too. Yeah, I so I used bamboo is like a roller for coaches calves. So I would like put pressure down on his leg and then like he'd like move it along. Like team effort. Yeah, yeah, it was we were we were really giving him some physical therapy out there. So like some like that, like would have been fun. And yeah, I mean, coach coach hilarious out there. Like I remember I gave a confessional. I was like coach is kind of like slum dog millionaire. Like because seeing that movie, it's like, yeah, I like, he knows all the answers because of like his specific life stories. Right. Like coach like throws a grapple, he's like good at throwing grappling hooks. And he's like, yeah, it's because I was like an ace like slow pitch softball player like like quasi pro. And he like, he ties the knots. He tells a story he's like, when he was tying the knots in that in that challenge with Aussie and Q, he was like, yeah, it's because I had this like old war veteran who like taught me specifically the best knots to tie sticks together. And I was like, what? And you believe all that? Cause I can't tell I've known coach for 20 years. I cannot tell if some of it like I was walking around with him like in Reno or something and we walked past a boxing gym. He's like, let's go in here real quick. I was a semi pro boxer. And then he goes in and throw some punches. There's like, the punches look real enough that maybe he's like, there is some truth to what he said. I don't know. I think that's half the entertainment value, though, it's like, because he tells the story. It's like it's so believable, but so unbelievable. Yeah. You're like, it's, it's, it's just honestly made it really funding out there. I had a great, we had a great relationship. Like we were we were working together. So did you give you a nickname for the short time? I didn't, I didn't earn a nickname. I got to say, listen, I'm ready to, I'm ready to come out and say I was disappointed by the nicknames. I was not blown away. What was it? Tide Walker. Tide Walker was there was going Belmunk. And we spoke. Yeah, it didn't do it for me. They didn't do it for me. It's not, it's not as just punchy as the warrior, the wizard, the dragon's lair. So yeah, dragon's lair is hard to beat. Dragon's lair is hard to beat. Yeah. So, but I mean, but I, you know, obviously, yeah. Well, good. Well, we enjoyed watching you this season, even if it seemed like you were mostly in inner turmoil with how to navigate Rizzo. I promise I'm okay. I'm doing good. I'm glad you're okay. I was actually a little concerned as I was watching it. I was like, he's a spiral into madness and forever linger on this Rizzo hang up he has. So I'm glad that you at least outwardly seem healthy and aware. I mean, as soon as, as soon as the call ends, I'll go back into my, you know, I'll stop faking it for the good. Yeah. Good. Yeah. A true showman. Charlie, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. We loved watching you on the show. And who knows? You can go out for a third attempt if they give you the call. And I'll create another random one-sided beef. So, okay, good. That's what we're here for. No one is safe. No one is safe. From that one-sided Charlie beef. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Tyson, I'll be like, you know, he had his podcast microphone on his right shoulder and that was too much. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get it. I would vote myself out too. So. Perfect. All right. Thanks, Charlie. Yeah. Thanks guys. Thank you. Take care. Yeah. All right. You heard it from Charlie. Um, good, good energy there. I, I was very happy to see that he seemed healthy. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you never know. Like he was, he was brooding about the Maria thing and that probably that was triggered the survivor experience just triggers those emotions. Again, plus the Rizzo thing. It could be hard to watch and hard to experience. What do you think, Ashley? I, you know what? I'm really happy that he's happy. Um, and he's healthy and everything. I can only imagine how it feels like you said to watch yourself do that. And then also to watch you get it so wrong. And so I'm glad that he was able to like swallow it down with like humility and just be like, yep, got it wrong. It's okay. Everything's fine. Um, so that makes me feel a lot better about it. Cause it, I didn't want to see Charlie go. Like that's such a bummer. But everything's okay. Yeah. Riley. Yeah. Pretty similar. I mean, it's got a sting to, that was his first tribal council, right? And it's like, that's kind of staying. It's got to feel like, you know, on some level, you almost didn't get a real chance to play the game, especially if your prior experience was going all the way to the end. Yeah. But he's doing well. Yeah. I think also you say his first tribal council. But um, to realize that you didn't have your finger on the pulse at all, is also can be a root awakening to like your first tribal council. You think you got people with you, you think you kind of know how the votes are going. And then they don't. Then you are like, I didn't know the truth. I everyone kept the truth from me. Like that's, yeah. That's a little bit brutal as well. So that first tribal council, like a little more nerve racking than it is because you're, because you're, you're hopeful that the people don't tell you the truth. Yeah. No one's actually proven anything to you yet, right? Exactly. Like Penn has not hit parchment. Yeah. Exactly. So until the until use are can see that the people telling you what was going to happen actually happens, then you're like, okay, I'm, I'm good. So until then you, you can't be certain of your alliance. Like I, I don't know how you can checking and checking and checking in again and again and again. Like you will get some reads. Like if people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, no, the plan's fine. Then that's a problem. Like you need people to articulate the plan to your face - Yes. - The multiple times. From multiple people, all the people you trust should be articulating that same plan over to you. So when they start blowing you off, or saying, yeah, we're sticking with the plan or being a little more vague about the details of what's actually happening, that's a problem. So, and Charlie, one of the co-hosts of the on fire podcast, gone, is there, do you think there's any rivalry there between those co-hosts of the Jeff's podcast? That isn't playing anymore. So if you're listening and trying to find out you can listen to past seasons, I'm sure, but it's not happening right now. - Yeah, would there be a rivalry with you Riley if there were people from other podcasts on there or anything like that? I mean, it's a little different podcast, maybe. - Podcast host theme season would be either like a complete disaster or kind of fun. It's kind of fun for me, but. - I think we'd all get along. - No, I don't know, I think we've got the RHAP team. We've got the Drop Your Buffs team. I think that, for the most part, all the podcast hosts would be very friendly and it's a friendly space for sure. No, I don't know, I can't imagine that I would feel, like a rivalry toward someone over something like that. - Yeah, I don't think so either. It would be like if it was like McDonald's versus Burger King employees, nobody cares. - Yeah, they don't care at all. - Also a good idea for a theme season. - Ooh, Wendy's Burger King McDonald's. - Yeah. - And then maybe a weird tribe like Arby's or something. - And then they get all like a stoner is it Jack in the Box or something? - Yes, okay. That's the new theme. Yeah. Any other thoughts on Charlie? - Well, none of them specifically, but it's something I'm keeping track of this season. So our last three people voted out are all people who had never been voted out before. And so we have five left that are like that. There's D who won obviously, Joe and Chrissy, both went to Final Tribal Council and lost, and Rizzo and Camilla lost firemaking, which I think is a lot different than actually getting voted out. - Right. - So, I don't know if there's something, of the people who've gone so far, we had 10 on this season who-- - And five are already gone. - Have never been voted out and five are already gone. One of them is Kyle, so that kind of doesn't really count. But I feel like there's something to this. - For sure is, there for sure is. If you've never been voted out before, you don't know what it feels like when the walls are closing in or when the vibes are off or whatever. - Or you're not willing to betray people close to you to survive because you haven't felt this true sting of being blindsided by people you trust. And so I do believe that there's an extra layer of cutthroatedness. Is that a new term that you get when you have been betrayed by people, you put some faith in. - Yeah. - So I do, I think that that is mostly it. I've said in the past, playing against people who have never been voted out would be the easiest because they have not felt the sting. - Yeah. - Okay. - So, I think they're a little bit easier to navigate because what they did last time worked out, like even with Rizzo not winning, he went to fire. He's like, well, I would have won if I didn't, if I made fire so it's on me like that's a different feeling than getting betrayed. - I felt like this probably explains why Christian was so willing to flip on his David versus Goliath people and be like, I'm not trusting them again and whatever else. And Mike and Angelina are kind of less likely to do that. They haven't felt this before. - Oh, wow. - I love that observation. - Yeah, that's great. I'm gonna keep my eye out on that. That's very interesting. - Yeah, that's one of the things I've been kind of just paying attention to 'cause I feel like it's a really interesting dynamic and it's one that the show doesn't really highlight. They do a good job of highlighting a lot of other dynamics, right, like Charlie with this final travel vote and how he feels about Maria and how that comes into his game. You see a lot of that with a lot of these different players. Like some of them are kind of fighting the last war and they need to actually evolve or whatever. But one of the things that I'm just like keeping in my mind is like the players who never voted out and how they kind of go about their business a little bit differently because yeah, like to your point Tyson, they haven't felt that sting. - Right. So that will be very interesting to continue following. I do think that there is a lot to that actually. And yeah, anything else thoughts on Charlie or Angelina before we shut this one down? - Sad to see them go. It's just a big bummer, but glad that they are themselves. Their personalities are so lovely and they do not seem like they're upset at all. And I think that just makes survivor a more fun game to observe like me as an audience member. I just like seeing everyone have fun and seeing that they actually had fun makes me enjoy this season a lot more. - Yeah, we'll talk about this more on another pod, but the other, I am sad to see Charlie and Angelina go. But like we are going in the merge with some heavy hitters still left. Like this is a good, all in all, like a fairly solid pre-merge boot order could be a heck of a lot worse. We still have to read, we still have coach, we still have like Colby and Dee and whoever else that felt like, oh, they could be real easy pre-merged targets and they're still on our screens. So yeah, I'm quite pleased. - Yeah, definitely. And we assume it's the merge. And because of that, we are doing a great big fat merge extravaganza episode coming out Monday evening at some point. So stay tuned for that. That's a special gift for all of our listeners and new listeners that haven't even joined us before. So come celebrate all things survivor with the pod is spoken. We will be back early next week and can't wait till you hear our voices then. - All right. - See ya. - See ya. - There we go. (laughing)