Support Your Village with Regina and Reina King

My mother had read that in China, they discipline their kids by kneeling on rice. So she said, you can kneel on rice for 10 minutes or we take a break and you get the rest of these licks. That's commitment to the licks. And Raina was like, I'll take the rice. And I was like, I just knew. I was like, if only I knew that I should have just got the rest of these licks. Like you could have been finished. How about your mother researching Asian punishment? You know, I mean, it's like that. Asian torture. She's like, let me find some real good stuff that don't work. This episode is brought to you by Theraflu. Hey, little girl. Craig Robinson, what's happening with you? I like your sinks. I have. You have these? Yeah, I do. Eleven's? No, not the same. But I have that style, that high top. No, eleven's are what they are, not the size. Oh, OK. I didn't know that. I don't know what things are called. Yeah, I see that. It's like, no, I don't wear an eleven. Especially not a men's eleven. Jeez. Oh, my goodness. What's going on? You know, excited that to be here. Excited. Excited with our guests that we will introduce at some point. I know, we got to have some L.A. flavor for a change. I know, it's really good. I got a whole lot of L.A. questions. Me too. Because L.A. is a mystery to me. Yeah. It's always like, what does it mean to grow up here? But anyway, we'll get into that. But I'm happy that you're here, that we are together. Yes, we are. And you are enjoying, but we haven't had dinner yet. I don't know. We got a busy schedule. So I don't even know if we'll get a chance to even chill. We'll chill for a bit. Yeah, I might have to whip something up at my Airbnb. Right. I don't. Okay, what do you think you're going to cook? I don't know. I don't know. We might. I might have to go shopping and get some groceries. You can't even say that with a straight face. Like, look at you. But if I wanted to, I could. You're not going to leave here right now and go to the grocery store. No, no, because it's late. But I might do that before we leave. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So is it a good? Is it a good high-end kitchen in the place that you're staying? Is it a chef's kitchen kind of situation? No, no, no. It's not a chef's kitchen. It's a regular kitchen, but it's got everything you need. And, you know, these trips, it's really hard because we put in a lot of time during the day to do a meal at night. But Aaron and I are enjoying the weather here and we're staying up later. So maybe we'll whip something up. Well, anyway. We've got. I can't. We're so excited for our guest here. We've got siblings. Siblings. Famous siblings who have done everything all over the place. I love these two. And for a long time. Yeah. Raina and Regina King. Yes. Sisters who are, you know, own Hollywood, own the industry, killing it on so many levels. Yeah. Well, let me let me give them a proper introduction. Regina King is an Academy Award winning actress. And a director with a 40 year career, widely regarded as one of Hollywood's most versatile and dynamic, dynamic creators. She is also the founder of Me and You, a wine label established in honor of her son, Ian. Raina King is an actress and producer who has worked in entertainment for decades, both in front of and behind the camera. As an actress, her credits include Scrooged and Shirley. Regina. And Raina are sisters and co-founders of the production company Royal Ties, a company recognized for developing projects across genres with depth, range and cultural relevance. All right. So without further ado, Regina and Raina King. Come on in to the IMO scene. How y'all doing? Hey, hey, hey. He was a cute. Hey, hey, hey. Okay, we got to get one of those. Oh, especially with this basketball height. Y'all so short. I know. I know. That's what people say when they meet us. Can you put some heels on? See, we can't tell how tall we are when we're sitting. We have short torsos. Lots of legs. You really? Yeah. She actually has a short torso and longer legs. I have a short torso and long legs, but long, short legs. They're long in relation to other things. Well, you guys, thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having us. How y'all like in L.A.? Oh, man. Why don't I live here? I don't know. Don't you want some of that vitamin D in your life? I know. Gotta have that vitamin D. I mean, you heard me say, like, you know, we spend a lot of time in L.A. We record IMO here. Our daughters live here. Our higher ground productions are here. But it seems like. It seems like everybody we meet are transplants. I mean, rarely do I meet people from L.A. And I, you know, I'm trying to get a sense. I'm still trying to get a sense of the city. Talk about what was it like. What is it like to grow up in L.A.? I mean, does it. Is it all Hollywood palm trees? No. Well, I also feel like, you know, there's L.A. is so big. It is huge. So, like, when you talk about L.A. County, you have people that grew up in Santa Monica. And that's their whole life. And that's a whole different lifestyle than from us that grew up in Windsor Hills. That, you know, Windsor Hills and Baldwin Hills, you know, that's all adjacent. So that all of those kids, all of those people have a similar lifestyle. And you grew up and you heard the stories about Ray Charles lives over here. Yeah. Ike and Tina Turner. Socialize with people with Dara. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you talk about it sounded like the Windsor. What is Windsor Hills? Windsor Hills. Multi income, mostly African-American. What was the vibe of your neighborhood? I don't know what it is now. It's probably not mostly African-American now. Well, nothing. It's been gentrified. Well, the people that live in the house that we grew up in when you were doing. I don't know. I went and knocked on the door. They didn't answer. Oh, yeah. I'm wondering what they are. Yeah. Race they are. But I would say middle class and upper middle class. Yeah. We grew up. Mm hmm. Predominantly black. Yeah. You know, there might have been one white woman on our street at the end of the block. No. Oh, no. That's not right. Yeah, really. I mean, come on. Well, you didn't see her much. Well, did you know her name? No. Was it Mrs. Such and Such? No. You didn't even know her name. I don't know. I remember her name. Or something, was it? In my mind, I keep thinking Miss Gert. But Miss Gert was. No, Miss Gert was my babysitter. Your babysitter. Yeah. Was she old? An older white woman? She was an older woman. Yeah. She didn't like talk or interact much unless somebody was on her grass. On her lawn. Mm hmm. On her lawn. Get off my lawn. I'm going to call your mother. I'm just trying to play. We just, our ball just rolled up here. Yeah. We had to get it. We had to get it. Was it working class? I mean, did you know your neighbors? Did you grow up like playing on the streets? We did. We had a lot of kids on our street. And you know, where? What happened to that? Like they're, kids don't go outside and play. Like there's no, like when's the last time you saw a kid with a cast on their arm? That's right. That's a good point. You know what I mean? That's a good point. Everybody's all vacuum sealed. Right. Yeah. No, we're scared of the outside. I mean, you know, like I remember when we were in Chicago, the girls growing up, we did grow up in a neighborhood where there were a lot of kids, but it is true. Nobody was just letting their kids go. So I found that our girls didn't know the basic outdoor play games, like how to jump double dutch. Right. So me and my friends, one day we decided these little black girls, they have to know how to jump double dutch. But so we organized, this is what mothers do because how you learn how to jump double dutch is that you got your rope, you went outside, you found somebody to turn and a game happened. Yeah. But the girls didn't even know where to begin. So we did it, the mothers. And then we realized, well, you know, that's why people aren't doing stuff because the mothers are doing it. Well, the plan was to teach them so that they go outside. Okay. But the challenge, did you all jump double dutch growing up? Yeah, we did. We did. You know, the key to double dutch is that you have to have two people that can turn. Yes. Well. Well. That's why we probably didn't do it as often. Right. Because I don't think everyone on our block of the girls. Or even at school. Yeah. Yeah. No, because we played double dutch, jump double dutch, play double dutch, jump double dutch at school. And, you know, certain people are like, oh, I can't stand when she turns. I know. We called it, she's double handed. Double handed. Now, I don't know what that meant, but girl, you're double handed. It means you can't turn. Because you can't turn. Like not being on beat. That's right. Or did you guys ever like have like the super long rope that someone would wrap it around their back? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's when you knew she could turn. She can know how to turn. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She can know what to do. I read where you all put on your own little shows. Nobody's doing that either. in my suit. What's that? Excuse me, there's a fly in my suit. We have this book of plays. Yeah, and we used to put them on. In the living room, right in front of the furniture that we weren't supposed to sit on. That we would sit on when mom wasn't home. Yeah, that's right. Did it have plastic on it? They did not. She had a best friend that had a lot of plastic on a blue couch. And she had blue, for Christmas, she had a blue, used to kind of freak me out. The tree? The blue Christmas paper and oh my God. Just a lot of blue. Flocked. Flocked tree. It was a bit much. It was a bit much. I just remember those summer times sliding on that plastic. Or sticking to the plastic. Or the plastic will wear out and there'd be a slit in it and it would cut you. It's like, now this couch is dangerous. It's clean, but it's deadly. I don't want to go over there now. I don't want to go there. Sitting on the couch. And how, how old were you then? Because I'm trying to figure out how early you all thought y'all were going to be actors. I don't think we really thought that we were going to be actors. You know, it was like, you can act like you're somebody else. You can be something else. And we had been doing it all the time at home. We've been doing it. And, and I mean, the, the roller skating and someone saw us. Yeah. And, and asked us if we would. Tell the story, Raina. Yeah. What do you mean roller skating and somebody asked you? We're at our mom's house. My mom was friends with the blue couch. Oh. Shout out to mom. All right. We love your couch. And we, we were at her house. We were roller skating. And this woman saw us that lived up the street. And that ended up being Betty Bridges, Todd Bridges' mom. Oh. And said, you know, they should join, you know, my acting class. And that's kind of how it started. I don't, I don't even think Well, no. Raina's, first she was like, was talking to us and, you know, stranger danger. Yeah. So Raina was like, just like, where are you coming up to us? And then she told us to go get our mom. And Raina was like, mom, this lady outside is going to talk to you. She had to give it all its detail at the moment. Thank you, Regina. To keep it all the way real. That's right. And. See, so that's what you think about L.A. You know, it's like you could be roller skating in your little matching outfits and all of a sudden, you know, you're an actor. You're an atmosphere. See, that's what the kids on the south side of Chicago think happens when you grow up in the hood in L.A. It's like, well, that's how you become a part of the Brady Bunch. You got to live in L.A. Yeah. So what was going on with school at the time? I mean, were you still in school? We were still in public school. Right, right. So like, basically, you have a set teacher. Yeah. Our mom was like, both, both studios wanted our mother to put us in studio school. In school. Well, you go to studio school when you're shooting. Okay. But they want you to enroll in like a small school that's almost like homeschool, but yeah, that is familiar with this type of industry. Yeah. Entertainment. Yeah. Great. And mom was like, absolutely not. So if you want these girls, we're going to figure it out. Yeah. And we both ended up having really great teachers. And I really, Kathy Cyrus was just absolutely amazing. She was great. And she, I wanted to take French. She started learning French. She, so, just, in the correspondence, they went up, she went up to the school to meet all of my teachers because by then I was in high school. Yeah. And, and then when the season was over, be back at school. And you were like ahead of the class. Oh, yeah. So I was causing havoc. Right. When I got back to school. It's like, I know it all. Yeah. Yeah. How was the, how did it feel coming out of that world, being on TV and then going back into a normal high school life? Were you guys recognized? Were you known as being those girls that, you know, were acting and out there? I think people just knew that that's what we'd done because I don't know how it is in Chicago, but you go to schools that are connected to your area. Yes. So, you know, all of those kids, I went to junior high school with. Part of them, I went to elementary school with. So, they had been seeing us doing background work. Yeah, they wasn't new. Yeah. So, they weren't tripping. No. It was literally the opposite. Like, you couldn't wait to get back to kind of the public school, that kind of friend group. It was much harder for me on what's happening now because I was the only child on the show. Oh, yeah. You know, there were no siblings. There were no people in the building. So, it was just me. And the set teacher. Yeah. So, we used to bump heads. Okay. What's the story? Who had to get called? Who told off who? Yeah, my mom got called a couple of times. But, I think I was, because it's just me and this one adult, and there's no other person to kind of bounce anything off of. So, I found myself like challenging her. Yeah. I learned a little French too. I didn't realize I had to do this. I was, I don't know. But, so, that was tough. So, for me, it was a big yearning to get back to school where there are more kids. Like, any show where there may have been two or three other kids, it's like, oh, there's going to be four people. Oh, wow. And on set today with the set teacher. So, I was really excited to get back to the regular swing of things. And I was coming back further ahead than, because it was fifth grade for me because I was 10. And I was further ahead than where they were. Mm-hmm. Wow. And you guys are four years apart. Four years apart. Have you always been close? Hmm. Yeah. All right. Well, we have seen That's like, now we're like, that was right on time. I think we've always been close, but we, it took me when I moved out the house when our relationship started becoming like my other half. But I think it's, it was, we've always been close. Like, I can talk about my sister, but you can't talk about my sister. You know, like, that's always been, and we always played together. We always, remember we used to play Mel's Diner in the backyard? Oh, my God. We did. We made the mud pies. Mel's, didn't they? Kiss my grits. Absolutely. But there was, because I was younger that, you know, she didn't want me around. You know, I'm getting on her nerves. She would just go back and I'm like, I'm not going anywhere. You know. And keeping up. Keeping up. I mean, this is the younger sibling and I see it with our two daughters. It was like, Malia and Sasha three years apart. They've always been close, but you, that three year difference feels like a chasm. Yeah. And so, you're older. But Sasha, like me, I was always going to keep up. You know. You were not leaving me behind. You're not leaving me behind. But I would, I was inclusive with her. Wow. It wasn't like, oh, no, you can't come with me. I was like, well, come on then. Let's go. And it would be, we're playing baseball. We're playing running bases, hide and seek, whatever it was. If she wanted to go, she could come. But do you think part of that is because you guys are brother and sister opposed to, yeah. Absolutely. That dynamic is different. You know, there's just, and well, because our spaces could be separate. Like, I could come along, but I didn't always want to come along because it was like, okay, it's a bunch of crusty boys. Maybe I want to play with my dolls over here. But with my daughters, it was like, they were pretty much on par in terms of what their interests were and the friend group of girls, you know, they were just all running as a pack. And so, little sister, was gonna, you know, it's like, I can do this. So, in that respect, I think Sasha grew up faster just by keeping up. You know, she had to, even though she wasn't there yet, she was going to be there. Yes. And without the emotional tools, you know, necessarily. Right. But I think you're literally explaining our dynamics. Reina grew up faster. Definitely. Yep. Definitely. I think, she thought she was, she knew she was grown. And I was able to spread that, spread my wings with that more when she wasn't around. Yes. So, by the time I got to high school, I was like, hmm. It's like, you can't tell me anything. These youngins don't know. Yeah. These other 15-year-olds, they don't, they don't. I've been around the block. Yeah, I've been around the block. These children, oh my God. I'm 15 with the mind of an 18-year-old. I've seen some things. Bring me a drink. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's good. I have been traveling a ton between my IMO recordings and my day job at the National Association of Basketball Coaches, as well as my kids' teams. This travel has afforded me the opportunity to visit some new places and meet some new people. And last year's travel was so good. I've been able to enjoy my time on the road. That's because I've been booking stays on Airbnb. You've heard me talk about how much I love that I get to stay in a real neighborhood. This helps me feel at home and settled, in addition to being able to explore my surroundings. And during these trips, it clicked for me. My place is just sitting there, empty. Meanwhile, someone else could be getting that exact same sense of ease and connection from my home that I just got from theirs, and I'd be making a little extra money without lifting a finger. 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Let me, you know, and so I would have to explain to her, do not step. on my other child. I love you both, but you cannot try to parent her because you don't know what you're doing. You are just, you are not wrong. You're seven, right? You know, you don't know what's happening. But I saw Sasha come into her own as Malia, you know, moved on. So it was like that tree, you know, moved away. And so the light got to the younger one. Did you feel that way? I think so. Yeah, I definitely. It was when she moved out. I mean, it really was, that was, I'm running this house now. I've got, you know, it was, I definitely did come into my own. I felt like I had the space and not thinking about it then, but things that I actually had learned from her. And now I can exercise that in my own world amongst my own group of friends. Judging it. Without someone going, that's not how you do it. Yeah, yeah, that's not how you do it. Exactly. The idea when she moved out and having, then she also, her apartment became kind of a safe space. That was then on this next level, still learning and maturing and still able to experience it with her. So yeah, that's, and she, you know, she had a car. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's helpful. I mean, there were little perks there. Right. Because she moved out pretty young. She moved out at 17. Okay. Talk about, talk about that. What precipitated the move? I was ready. Yeah, I was ready. She was ready to watch it. Nobody, no more, anybody else's dishes that she didn't use. Well, yeah, you know, I was, that's, I mean, quite literally, you know, like I'd be out all day doing my own thing and then come back home and I got to wash they dishes? Uh-huh. I was like, oh. So, um. And you had an income from your. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that you could afford. Yeah. So I was like, so mom, I'm moving out. Mm-hmm. I'm getting a tattoo. Oh. To, to, to, those, you did that? I mean, it was like that. That was like, yeah. Just blam, boom, bam, boom. Because she'd been saying no tattoo, no tattoo. Oh, man. I don't know why you want to mark pretty skin, no tattoo. Um, I'd graduated high school, you know. So how did that conversation go over? What did mom say? And was she in the other room, Raina, listening? I'm sure I was close by. No, yeah, I'm sure. Raina's always close by. Wow. I don't ever remember any pushback because I really did not want to go to college. And I applied because my mom's a teacher and that just wasn't going to happen. That was happening. Right, right. And I got in. So then. There was nothing, you know, um, I'm working. I'm going to USC. Yeah. I don't want to wash dishes. Yeah. Why should I have to wash dishes? And she was like, all right. And she, she couldn't really have that conversation. How are you going to take care of yourself? How are you going to pay the bills? Yeah, right, right. Well, I actually. With the income, I heard. Yeah, so. Then. Dude, you said it was canceled. Oh. Regina, who, who apologizes more, you or her? When you all get into it. I'm just going to keep looking at it. I'm just going to keep looking at you. You think you apologize more? Hmm? I don't. I was just like. I don't. You don't. I think you apologize more. You do? Uh-huh. I was actually going to say the same. Oh, well. Okay. Because I feel like we, we're so sensitive to each other because like there, it's just hard to even just imagine doing anything without her. So when we know that we've disappointed each other, it just. It's an unspoken apology. I think that's what it's not, it's not really. We both kind of. I'm sorry. It's not really those words. It's, it's. It's the gesture. It's the gesture. And we do sometimes. You, you'll call or I'll call and be like, you know, when I did. Da, da, da, da, da, da. Yeah. And you'll go, oh, Regina. Uh. And vice versa. That's true. Yeah. I think we had a moment like that. Not too long ago. That's why I was like, why you look the other way? Yeah. Yeah. I guess it is, it is a balance. Yeah. It's a, it's a balance with us with so much and so thankful to have that because a lot of siblings. Yeah. I'm sure you guys have heard. I mean, we talk to sisters and sister and brothers and they don't get along with their siblings. Yeah. In that way. Right. So. I feel blessed. Yes. Have her other half. Yeah. She wrote a poem about it in high school. Oh, really? Do we have the poem? Is it still top of mind? We do not have the poem. Who has the book? I don't know. I have the book and I, didn't I bring it to you? Remember, I took a picture. So you did a book of poems or? My school. Oh, okay. Oh, and it made it into the book. My school did a book of poems and the different students. And I'm trying to think what grade I was in. Was it seventh? No, I was older than that. I think it was like ninth grade, I want to say. Okay, I'm wrong. All right. Once again, and I'm sorry. I'm wrong. I'm sorry. Moving on. I was in Regina Sillings' class and it was eighth or, it was seventh or eighth grade. But they had all the students do poems and they compiled a book. And my poem was called My Other Half. And it's still. I still have the book. She still has the book. She didn't know I had it. And I didn't know she had it. A month ago. Yeah, that's, I thought that was packed up, disappeared somewhere like with the yearbooks that you don't want anyone to see. But I would say those words that I spoke in that poem then are very much still fitting and still of the time and of the moment of what we are. What do you, what do you think it was that your mother did to foster? Because, you know, I think a lot of times sibling rivalry is coming from somewhere, right? Because I think it's so easy to unintentionally as a parent pit one against the other just because of lack of awareness or, you know, one child might be technically easier on that parent than the other. Because. You know, personalities, you know, you, parents are people too. And if you have more than one kid, you may click in a different way with the other. And if that's the case, maybe some of that, you know, sprinkles out. Yeah. So I just wonder if there's anything to say about. I think that's normal too when you say, I mean, we were going to, you may not want to, but you're going to your sister's recital or this thing. She was always making sure we were in situations that we. Had to do things together. So in addition to always. I like, I used to feel like Raina got away with everything, but says the lady to my right. But I feel like my mom really made sure that she treated us individually different. Like I didn't feel like I was treated like Raina and Raina didn't. Like she saw you both. Really like our punishments were different. You didn't have the rice punishment, did you? What was the rice? Oh, I like to tell the story. Okay, please. Oh, you want to tell the story? We're calling on you now for the rice story. Yes. Because Raina is probably not going to tell it all. Yes. That's the reason why I said Isla, because I don't want you to. I'm not throwing bombs. Have some revisionist history. So we shared a room and Raina is clean, but Raina is messy. Okay. Yes. And so we kept getting in here for a difference. For the world. Yes. Now I'm talking about as kids. As kids. As kids. But you're clean. You're clean. You're not dirty and messy. Is that a backhanded compliment? And we kept getting in trouble for having a messy room and it wasn't my stuff. And I'd be like, mom, it is not my stuff. I am cleaning up my side and I'm kicking. Then I started kicking it to her side of the room. So you see the difference. So finally, my mom was like, all right. Every piece of, if you don't have this room cleaned up by whatever time it was, everything that I pick up, you're getting two licks. Because, you know, that's when. Yeah. You know, whoopings. Yeah. And it came out to like 92. Oh, I was about to say, she didn't need to give two licks. It was enough clothes. Yeah. Dear lady, I'm like. It came out to be one lick. I'm like, God, what's happening? I'm like, yeah, I'm like, one lick movement. Oh. You got into the 90s. Yeah. It was like, what are we doing here? So, like how you say, where was Raina? So I'm in the room and she's counting. I was like, whoa. Wow. Now I'm feeling bad. Like, I had to darken her. I just got into the room. And so, she started proceeding with the spanking. And I guess my mom got tired. Raina got tired. My mom was like, okay, you can kneel. Yeah. Dag, that's just. I was, and Raina was like, I'll take the rice. I'll take the rice. I was like, right now. If only I knew that I should have just got the rest of the licks. Like, you could have been finished. Yeah. I might still have rice and prints in my knees. I felt so bad for you. Oh, my God. Asian torture. A teacher. She's like, let me find some real good stuff. That don't work. Right. So did it. Was it effective? Did you clean up your mess? Oh, yes. I did. From then on? I did once I could walk. Okay. Yes. I needed a minute to compose myself. So now you all have been in this business for so long. I'd like to hear from you. What are some of your favorite projects that you've worked on? Can you say that or is it too hard? Oh, no. I want to hear that. Please say more docs. You're not sassy. As an actress or as producers or director, because it's, it's, it's a, it's, there's I'd like to hear the whole gamut. Yes. I'd like to hear the whole gamut. I always say my favorite project is the one I'm working on now because we've been blessed to have done so much that some things I don't even remember, you know, that so that it is tough. It's tough to, um, I can tell you the things that people, um, the most, uh, talk to me about that they've loved is boondocks. You know, that's like at the top, um, Watchmen. Yeah. Um, that is Barack Obama's favorite. Is it really? It is. Yes. Oh, wow. He loves that. Mm-hmm. Uh, and I guess somewhere between. Between two to seven boys in the hood and then Jerry Maguire. What about you, Raina? It would be, um, Scrooge just cause I mean, Richard Donner, the director, those were like, that was a Matt and Alfie Woodard. That was Carol Kane. I mean, it was, um, it was. It was a, it was a, a, a master class, like I said, for a very, um, young girl. I'm, um, Richard Donner. So I have a thing with socks. Okay. I love socks and I like new socks. All right. If I could wear a new pair of socks 365 days a year. How many socks do you own? I have a lot. I actually had to buy, um, or online these little square boxes that have like, you know, 24, like compartments. Oh, yeah. And they're stacked. Oh. I've got short ones, long ones, thick ones, ankle lids. I love taking new ones out of the package. And I got that from Richard Donner. Oh my gosh. He always had on a new pair of socks and he would donate like, cause he would wear socks, one pair, you know, wear socks once and donate it. And I'm like, I want to be, I just want a different. I'm going to have a sock collection. Exactly. And you didn't want cars. Raina didn't want cars. She wanted socks. I want socks. Designer socks. And it sucks. You know, when I wash socks, I'll look at them. I'm like, yeah, it's just time. Yeah. It's, you know, if you, if, if I get three wears out of a sock. It's like, no, no, no. We are done. On to the next. I, I, I, I find other uses. Usage. You know. Yeah. To use them like the dust. The duster, dusty windowsills, you know, rags. I actually. That new sock smell. Nothing like it. Nothing like. Coming out of the package. That sounded. I miss it. But it is all right. You are so right. When it arrives, you're just like. Exactly. I have made it. Exactly. So, yeah, I would say as an actress would be, and to sleep with anger just because Danny Glover, that was a bit of a masterclass too. And then as. producer that That's hard. I would just surely only because it was something that we had been fighting to do for a decade. You know, January always feels like that moment to hit reset, to finally stop saying maybe one day and actually start becoming who you're meant to be. And that's why I love Shopify. If you've got a dream, whether it's a side hustle you've been sitting on or something bigger, Shopify makes that first step simple. So let me ask you, what's the one thing you've always wanted to build but kept putting off? And how different could your year look if you just started now? If 2026 is your year, go to Shopify.com slash IMO and make your move. This episode of IMO is brought to you in part by Acorns. You know, one of the most valuable pieces of money advice I've ever gotten is that financial wellness isn't about how much you make. 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I mean, it's been the one constant process in my life. I want my sister to have that same sense of connection, but it's harder for her because everyone around her is older, and those who are closer in age to her are really her nieces and nephews. We're also very different. When I was her age, I was more of a tomboy looking up to my brother, while she's girly, loves makeup, and is already on social media. The tricky part is my dad and stepmom are older, so they don't really know how to set limits. For example, they let her join TikTok with no parental controls, and it's hard to even explain those things to them. Sometimes my brother and I try to guide them, but I don't want to cross the line into parenting her myself. So my question is, how do I build a stronger sister relationship with her while still respecting boundaries and not slipping into that parent role? 27 years. Well, Helen, I think that ship has sailed. I mean, if I'm being completely honest, I mean, 27 years. I mean, I think that the best you can do is remember that relationship and those things between her and her brother, those sibling things, and try to encourage that with her son. And her. Sister, because they're four years apart. So they actually are more like siblings. I just don't think that you should be trying to be the sister. I mean, you are the big sister, but you are in so many. And I mean, Craig and I can attest to this. In a lot of ways, even when you are the eldest, you do have some moments where you are kind of like. Not the parent, but you're making the decision for both of y'all, you know? And so I just don't know that it's actually possible to try to not feel that bit of parental responsibility with a sibling that's 27 years younger. But you can try. You can try. You can be sympathetic to it. You can be sympathetic, but. But, you know, what are those things? She said 10 years old? She said 10? I think she's 10. She's 10. On TikTok. So 27 years. Yeah. So, yeah. I was going to say what those things that a 10 or 11-year-old are into or might want to do and experience, how you can experience that with them in more of a sisterly fashion opposed to a motherly fashion. I think maybe also a conversation with her parents, or their parents, you're really. is necessary because she's being 37 sounds like from what Helen said, is that she's much more aware of the dangers of being exposed online in a way that older and older set of parents may not know. Don't think of yourself as a sister. Don't think of yourself as a mother. Think of yourself more as an auntie. That middle ground. Because the auntie-ism, the auntie helps. What do y'all think? Well, I was going to have you start because you actually have kids with a pretty broad age range. Yeah, but it's. I know, but still. It's 16 and. 30. Yeah, well, so it's 13. 13 and 30. 32. My oldest to my youngest. Your youngest, okay. So that's why I'm like. But. You're in it. Yeah, I'm in it, but. You're the old parents. The interesting thing with my kids are my younger kids have always viewed their older siblings as siblings. Even though they were 16-ish years older, they've always viewed them as siblings. Even now as adults, they are siblings. They treat each other like siblings and it's a real cool dynamic. So the older ones never had to sort of be the parents because we were the parents. So they could take on that sibling role. And believe me, I have used the older kids to get certain messages across to the younger kids. Love that. Because as you all know, you get tired of hearing the same voice over and over again. Yeah. And my wife and I, they're tired of hearing us over and over again. So every now and then we'll be like, hey, talk to your little brothers. Same message, change the voice. Just change the voice. And surprisingly, it can be more effective. So did your kids spend time in the house together? So really our daughter, who is. 29 was in high school. was just going into high school when our two younger ones were born. So they spent some time. Now the older one had gone away to prep school and then to college. So he didn't spend much time in the house with them, but our daughter did. And as a result, those two always viewed her as the conquering hero of the family. It's been really interesting. And she was a basketball player. Well, so was Avery, too. Avery was, too, but they never got to see her play. Play, right. But they had those common interests, which Helen is saying they don't have. She has no connection other than blood. Never lived together, never. Yeah, so it just feels hard. It feels forced. That's the word I think I was going to write down. You don't want it to feel forced because it won't work for either one, especially the 10-year-old. Well, I think this is where, you know, the typical family construct, the titles, the names, they don't apply, right? So biologically, yes, you were sisters. But I think Helen would be helped if she thought about the village, right? And that she is a part of the village. And what is it? It doesn't matter what you're called. You're a part of the village, right? Because it takes a village. And, you know, in our family, we had aunts and uncles that were 10 years older than us, right? They were the younger siblings of our father. And they are 10, 12 years older than us. They felt like brothers and sisters when we were younger, right? It didn't really. It didn't really matter what the title was. You know, it's the thinking about everybody circling as a village to support the kid, right? And that the relationship has to look a certain way. Like, you're right. The ship has sailed on a sisterly relationship between a 37-year-old and a 10-year-old. You've had different experiences, different. You know, you're not sitting and coloring. You're not. And that's okay. Okay. I do feel like one of the things that's really cool in Helen's situation is that she has a six-year-old. And, you know, I'm guessing we don't hear. We didn't get the breakdown of their entire family dynamic, but it sounds like the 10-year-old is the last child of the parents. And we don't know whether it's a step-parent or whether they're staying or whatever that is. But the six-year-old's got a 10-year-old aunt. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of cool because that is like a sister. And I think that there's a blessing in that, you know, in having. And especially, you know, being a girl, you like being the big sister, giving her opportunities to feel like she's the. She's not the baby. She's the, you know. I don't know. Again, I don't know their dynamic. No, I think that. Yeah, I think that makes sense. It's like, you know, thinking about things like instead of Helen trying to force the relationship, it's like, what ways can you integrate your younger sister into your life that makes sense? That isn't. Because you can't come in with a place of, I'm going to tell you about yourself. Like, you can't come in as the parent, right? And so that should free Helen up to be like, well, maybe I'll just be someone in her life that she knows and trusts. Right. If she's thinking along those lines, that takes the burden off of, let me fix this. If she can just get to the place where her little sister enjoys her, right? You know, whatever you're focused on right now, work, family, big goals, there's never a perfect time to feel your best. There's just right now. AG1 has honestly been the easiest, most impactful habit I've added this year. Real sustainable health isn't about perfection. It's about consistency. And AG1 keeps it simple. Multivitamin, pre and probiotics, superfoods, antioxidants, all in one scoop. And AG1 is the opposite of complicated. One scoop, eight ounces of water, about 20 seconds. I drink mine first thing in the morning, before coffee, before the phone. 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That is the best one. IMO. I'm getting a round of applause. Now I am. No, so one more thing, because we wanted to talk about me and you. Yeah. So special on so many different levels. And so in preparation to talk about me and you, I went online to order myself some orange wine. And the bad news is it was sold out. Sold out. But the good news is it was. It was sold out. Sold out, right? Yes. That's great. Fantastic. But we were able to track something down. We're going to do our own. Oh. Me and you. We got this. Look what we got. You got the Syrah. We got the Syrah. We got the Syrah. And this is at the end of our day. So I might just. Wow. This is a. Tell us about it. Yeah. This is a new strategy. So this is. We have never had. We have never had. We have never had. Wine on IMO. Thank you. Wow. So I want you to tell us about me and you. And then we will toast. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. First of all. We got tissue right here, mom. Yes. You see I'm trying to. That's okay. We at IMO. Keep that close. I'm going to be crying soon. Yeah. I mean this. I've never. I've never gotten a chance to say. I want to say publicly to Malia and Sasha for being great friends of Ian's. You know, we didn't even know. We didn't. We didn't know they were friends. No. And you know, he's cooking dinner and he's telling me he's cooking dinner from Sasha. I think first it was. Yeah. And so I'm just thinking it's. Some girl named Sasha. Which it was. That his friend is. That his friend is dating. And so this feels like a. It's beautiful to be able to be sharing a bottle of Ian's wine with you all. And my sister. This came from just trying to find ways to. You hear people talk about what their kids are doing. And, you know. Ian and I. Our memories kind of stopped for a bit. And so trying to find ways to create new memories with Ian. And Ian introduced me to so many things. And one thing. And Malia and Sasha will tell you this. When Ian discovers something, he wants to share it. And he wants to tell you all about it. You know, with just everything. And you may not even like it. But you'd be like. You know what? I don't want to. This might be something here. And it kind of came to me that. Ian, we're going to. We're going to make a wine. And so this journey started from him introducing me to orange wine. I remember the moment at a restaurant called Kismet. How about that? And it. You know, to shorten the story. We came up with this label from. I was going through one of his journals. and trying to find little messages from him. And saw this little M that he had drawn, real small. And I was like, that M, it should be the M from me and you. And so that M is the beginning of that. So I had an artist who is an amazing artist who created the album covers for Fleetwood Mac, the Thriller album cover. So I know that was Ian like, yeah, look who's doing my life. And he created a font from Ian's M. And so that's how we landed there. Because Ian is an artist in all different modalities. And so it felt like I wanted it to be a canvas. And that's how we came up with the brush stroke and splatters. Because a lot of his artwork has splatters. He liked to do that on his art. And so I said I was going to make a long story short. No, take your time. This is wonderful. Make a long story long. I'll make a long story longer. It's worthy of, it's a long. It should be a long story. Yeah. And the orange wine sold out. And I don't know what I was expecting. But I knew that, okay, well, we need to continue on. And how do you continue in this social space knowing that I'm going to, we're going to make more wine. But it takes time. Wine takes time. You know. You can't brush those grapes. That's the beauty of wine. And so I came across. I came across this Syrah, a taste of this Syrah. My winemaker let me taste it. And I tasted it for the first time with Raina. And I was kind of concerned. Like, you know, people know this brand so far with the orange wine. We still haven't reached everyone. But this Syrah is really beautiful. And Raina was like, my nephew would want this. Yeah. And so we ended up doing a holiday release. A holiday release. And it kind of serves as a way for us to have Ian as a embodiment of some ways. Of all of those joyous things about Ian during the holidays. So it felt appropriate for this Syrah to come out during the holidays. Um. You know, Malia and Sasha met Ian at sort of the beginning of their lives here in L.A. Um. You know, and it's a scary time for a mother to send your kids off. I was grateful that they were living together. Mm-hmm. Um. But, you know, when you know your children are in a place, in a new place is when they have community. You know. And our girls are good community builders. But you don't know. I mean. And they're who they are. And it's L.A. And who are these people? Um. And the. And your son, your nephew, was that first bright light of connection for them here. Mm-hmm. Um. They spoke to us so, uh, glowingly about all the things that you know that are special about him. You know. His creative mind. His openness. You know. The way he makes people feel special and seen. Um. I wanna. I think we talked briefly. Um. In, uh. In, uh. At the CAA conference. You know. But we were in the middle of a thing. And I just wanted to, you know, tell you that his spirit is here with us. I know you all feel it. You know. We feel it. And I didn't get a chance to meet him. but I feel like I'm meeting him all the time. And I just am grateful to you for raising a young man that provided that space for my girls. Thank you. And we are honored to. Love that. To Toast, to Ian, to communities, to sisterhood, to sisterhood, to brotherhood. This has been a beautiful conversation, you guys. Thank you both. You are amazing. Thank you. And everybody. Thank you, really. Me and you. Me and you. Hold on, we'll let you know. IMO to me and you. This is. I love a red. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much, you guys. For being here. We can talk to you guys all the time. You know, I mean, we're building family here. Yeah. It's like, you know, we just gonna keep crossing paths. Yeah. We were intertwined. I mean, our paths were crossing before we even knew that they were. That's right. You know, with the things, the spirits that are the most near and dear to us were connecting us. This episode is brought to you by Cologuard. I knew that I shouldn't delay screening for colon cancer, and Cologuard has made that process one million times easier for all of us. I just answered a few questions about my age and medical history, and once their licensed clinician determined I was eligible, they issued the prescription and the Cologuard Plus kit was sent right to my home. No doctor's office visit necessary. For me, there was just immediate relief in getting it done. 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