Summer House Evangelists | 77

Girl, today drained me. Today already drained me. You know, I don't have earrings on. You don't even know how crazy that is. Oh, that's stressful. My mom would have a word with you about that. And I would have a word with myself, too. That's true. But you know what I have on? The monk hat. Because bad bitches love monk. And we've always said that. We need to have a conversation, though. Yeah. Because what is going on with Euphoria? You know I'm tired, Hunter. You know I'm a tired woman. Imagine how tired we are. Euphoria is giving money laundering. It's truly giving, like, who has a warrant out for their arrest? Because this show has gone so far off the rails. I mean, it's an entirely different show. Like, it's just, like, the same actors. That's just simply how I feel. I'm like, we are. I mean, I was excited for the wedding episode. Yeah, yeah, I'm proud of it. Okay. Did you watch last night's? Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Well, go ahead. Go ahead. Wedding episode. And I was, like, excited to see them all in the same place again, at least. To be, like, maybe this, like, unifying factor will, like, create some more, like, fun awe for me. And it sparked notions. Oh, joy. The craziest thing about the wedding episode. Except the dance. The dance gagged me. I know the dance background. I know the dance got you. Yes, yes. Him, like, doing the thing. I was like, ha, ha, sorry. And, like, her in a deep squat, like, I was like, this slut obsessed. I'm just like, I'm not coming to your wedding. I know how you're about to act. No, so I think the issue for me is that, first of all, this story belongs in high school. We need to get these kids back to high school. Who cares? People 30 years older in high school. Every single day on television. It's called TV. Look it up. That's first. Ben and Drama. Yes, thank you. Finally. Second of all, I think that all of the stories feel so on different paths. It truly is like everyone else is on a different show. What I liked about the wedding episode is that they're all together. But there really feels like there's drama between Maddie and Cassie over Nate. The shot of Maddie, like, went on for a little bit too long. But just her at the table, like, feeling a lot of, like, grief. Yeah. Over this version of her life that she thought she was going to live out was the most compelling moment of the entire series so far, of the season so far. Yeah, I would agree. And yet, it just, like, she just goes home after. It was so crazy. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, Alexi Deming looks amazing. Yeah, let's keep her in that dress. Like, she looked sickening. Oh, my God, Alexi Deming in that dress. With that little, that little, uh, what's it called? Because you can't, you, you, you know God like that. You're on the terms of God like that. The rosary. Yeah, the rosary above her ass crack. Diva. Oh! She got me good. Yeah. But I just, I've, it's, we're always so, we're, not always, we are sometimes so close to something, and then it's immediately, like, taken away. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I will say I love seeing Bebe come back, though. Bebe pregnant? Bebe pregnant! Bebe was one of my favorite characters. I hate a vape, but I love a vape queen. But I will say that when people pointed out that she looks like Taylor Swift. Who said that? Who said that? Who has been saying that? I retweeted, I retweeted hard, too. I will show you. I will literally pull it up, and it's like, she looks exactly in this one frame. She looks exactly like Taylor Swift. It's crazy. Did you saw Taylor Swift on the cover of the New York Times Magazine? She always has that one fuck-ass pose. Yeah. She's always like, it's not a bad thing to know your angles. I'm not mad at it. That's the only angle she knows. It's okay. Have you seen Zoolander? It's hard to model, by the way. Don't I know it. Don't I know it. This is a woman who, every event we go to, she's like, oh, can I just get a solo? I gotta get the shot. I love that about you. You know, she taking notes now, too. And Hunter will watch me watch her, and I'll be like, hands up. But the hands up. And you're like, oh, sorry. No, whenever I'm like, I freak out. She's like, oh. Okay, let's get it back on track. Okay, cameos this season. We have Sharon Stone, Rosalia, Natasha Lyonne, Danielle Deadweiler, who I adore, Marshawn Lynch, and Trisha Paytas. Wait, who's Danielle Deadweiler? We haven't seen her yet, but she's in this season. Okay. I mean, I want Marshawn Lynch in every fucking thing. I think he's a natural-born star. He is. But I will say, like, Rosalia, she can act. Why did that feel offensive, the way I rolled my. No, I think it was good, actually. You have to say it in the higher. Rosalia! Yeah. That was good. Look at that. See, I'm really liking. I'm, like, already wanting so much more from her acting career. I mean, she's such a full-body performer in general, obviously, so I think it makes perfect sense to put her in this environment. The neck brace is sending me. The neck brace is great. The neck brace is a great accessory. Also, that's going to go crazy on Halloween. No, truly. Yes, yes. Me being like, wait, is that us? And I'm like, no, it's not. It's not at all. But I'm really liking her in this, at the very least. I feel like Ru is a lesbian and Rosalia in this is, like, the fun I'm having so far. Yeah. There is something about the gratuitous nudity and sex work in this season that just, you know, I'm not trying to clutch pearls, but it feels a bit like nudity in place of character development in some ways. The Cassie of it all. I'm, like, so happy for her with her deadbeat husband trying to get them back in the black, like, get them money, whatever. However. It is a bit, like, that's all she can do as a character, just, like, have big tits. And, like, I feel like they're, I mean, I have so many feelings about Cindy Sweeney and maybe that's a separate episode. Yeah. But, like, it feels so deeply offensive to me how stupid they're playing Cassie in a way that I'm, like, she wasn't that dumb. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, can we give her a little bit of grace? There's this one shot, and I know this is really specific, of her chugging champagne in a way that's, like. Like, it's so. Yeah. She's not a mindless baby. It's one thing to take on a persona, and I think she's smart enough to know, like, something is performance art versus something is, like, a real character trait. Yeah. And it's just so belittling to Cindy Sweeney, again, who's someone I don't even think that highly of, but. I mean, body is tea, but it's just, like, her body. She's a good actress. Like, we can say that. Yeah. I think. And I think, like, it's sad to watch her do all that. I think it's sad to watch her do all this. Yeah. For what? But I'm also, like, to what end? Because what is Maddie's end game here? Like, she's trying to basically manipulate Cindy Sweeney into making both of them money, which is fine, but it also feels like a complete retread of their entire dynamic from seasons one and two, basically. Also, I have to appreciate that that scene of Maddie walking into the pool for their first meeting in a full mink coat. Ugh, sickening. Ugh, diva. I also. Hello? So, if we're going to have. If we're going to be making the Sharon Stone and Cassino. Oh, reference. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In season one, we need to have a scene between Maddie and Sharon Stone in season three. At some point. Sorry, we deserved it. At some point. I mean, I was going to say, something that's pissed me off is I haven't seen a contract come out yet. So, you know my Virgo rising ass and getting a little strict with it. I'm like, Maddie, you're going to get played with again, because if Cass is going to be the face of it, I need to see a pen to paper, I need a signature come out. Because I feel like if you're going to at least milk her for this 10% or get your, like, lick back or whatever you're going to do, it needs to be legally binding. Yeah. And Maddie's a smart cookie, so I think I'm just, like, waiting for her to figure that out. Another scene in the most recent episode that was like, huh, was Jules painting for the TV show. Yeah. And, like, drawing a bunch of, like, trans figures, which, like, I will say, like, objectively doesn't make any sense for the TV show. I thought the painting was beautiful, but I am like, girl, this is network TV. Turn it on a little bit. Just, you know, God bless. That's what's going to work. And it felt like it was trying to do some, like, woke, radical commentary when they were like, she's trans. And I was like, what? Like, it's just, it's totally normal to give feedback to be like, so we actually can't have, like, phallic symbols, like, in this painting that's for Netflix. But also, the one part where they're like, okay, so you have to take out the penises. And she's like, what about the breasts? And they're like, well, yeah, those too. It's an equal opportunity. No. It's actually just no nudity. Overarching note, no nudity. Which is a normal note. And it's like, and then she throws the red paint on it. It's just kind of like, wait, like, can someone have a lick of sense? I do. If Ru has the most sense on this show, then where are we? Yeah. Yeah. But I think overall for me, Euphoria has been, except, I mean, I really like the Maddie, Cassie, Neat love triangle season two. I think that was very impressive. But it really has always been, like, more visually arresting than it is, like, writer character arresting. Yeah. And even the visuals this season feel kind of phoned in. It's like, these, like, big, expansive, big shots, like, very Western. Yeah. But that's it. It just looks, like, expensive, but not necessarily anything. Like artistic. Internal happening inside the frame. I agree. Sam Levinson, make a music video. That's it. Just let your freak flag fly in three minutes or less. Well, speaking of. Yeah. So Z used to really ride for Sam. Yeah. I mean, we all saw Malcolm & Marie. I was there on the front lines. Not many were. Yeah. And I said, and I was alone in that. I'll see you on the other side. But literally at the premiere, Zendaya was running from Sam Levinson. Truly, like, it was Beyonce seeing Jason Lee, that blogger that Rihanna loves. She was, like, just looking for anywhere else to go. Like, just anyone. Anyone. Please. Call from God. Yeah. And I mean, if he wrote me this season, I'd be like, you take that back. And work on it again. Because I don't want to read any more of these damn pages. Because what do you mean I just keep driving around the whole season? I will say, and it sucks because I just really love Zendaya's route. I think it's, like, the first time I really see her embody a character that is fully hers and feels totally separate, then, like, I'm not seeing Zendaya Coleman at all. Like, and it's so impressive what she's able to do with that character. And it's such a disservice to her that she is still in this season doing, like, whatever the, what is she doing right now? Is she the DEA? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I have to say, I did really love the scene where the DEA calls her and they're, like, "You've just been fired." just been compromised we need to discredit that girl and she like her and Rosalia going at it together that was like oh this is like why Zendaya is the best actor on this show yeah yeah um but then it's like then something dumb as hell like me getting his toe cut off and then saying the next episode totally it's like sewn back on maybe he has good insurance he doesn't have a job he doesn't have a job I have to say moment of silence for Eric Dane I seeing him I was like surprisingly emotional oh of course like I surprisingly only because you know I don't cry that much I know yeah I try I try to get it it doesn't work it just hurt my feelings that was one time that's hilarious okay sorry keep going Eric Dane Eric Dane yes it's so like sad to see him on screen and you but it's so nice to see him on screen too yeah yeah yeah yeah and I like that they wrote in like because he I think he went to St. Levinson said like I'm slurring my words now because of ALS um so now they made him an alcoholic and seeing him in the show is yeah yeah I like how do you feel about seeing like seeing Fez in the show it's okay I mean it was odd to me for some reason I can't pinpoint why so it's not like you know I'm not dying on this hill but for some reason I'm kind of like I think it's okay to like let him rest and not I don't know how much he needs to be so I wish that it was more just that one call of Zendaya talking to him and like that moment of like oh my gosh like fantasy that he's still with us yeah that I thought was very sweet but then you know all of the um Lexi stuff like even talking about him I'm kind of like Lexi is a girl who wears two patterns at once she's not thinking about her high school Lisa says god you know what I mean she does she does if it if it has plaid she'll pair with a different plaid she will do that if it has plaid she'll pair with a different plaid she will do that she will do that I was like okay we have to start at a low so we can end at a high because we have so many great things to talk about including summer house updates y'all about to be sick of us or you're welcome I don't know either one and then what else are we talking about what's our oh my god famesick Lena Dunn's famesick Lena Dunham at large our our meeting of Lena Dunn or you might have met her before actually no I haven't oh oh just in the DMs so herstory herstory happening later on this episode are you looking for a safe space for your secret celebrity opinion do you need someone who understands your latest internet obsession we are decade-long best friends who connect over fussing and discussing all things pop culture we're your first stop after that TMZ push alert from higher ground audio I'm Peyton Vicks and I'm Hunter Harris and this is let me say this let me say this let me say this it's a jungle out there let me say that oh my lord let me say this summer summer time summer summer summer time summer house drama sorry love it totally absolutely no and keep that energy actually keep that energy I will um summer house drama I cannot believe that we have gone from being summer house illiterate to summer house evangelist girl the way I would fall on a cross for only a few of them I was gonna say yeah for who for who Sierra Mia and now Lindsay oh mother Hubbard with Lindsay I mean we've been talking about this for a long time and we've been talking about this for a long time and we've been talking about this for a long time and we've been I mean, because Lindsay's rocking with us. Yeah, I didn't say that. Um, I, okay, we need to talk about the leaked audio. We need to talk about what's going on in real life. We need to talk about what's going on in, like, showtime. Because I was actually, like, it unsettled my spirit. Yeah, it's tough. To watch the show and West and Sierra making up, knowing what we know now. Let's start with the leaked audio. Yes. I want to say Mia graduated into Hall of Fame Bravo Star, like, for a first season performance. For me, when she told Amanda in the leaked audio, you went from being married to being one of West's side bitches? That's crazy. It's a beautiful line reading. True. It's up there with, like, Real Housewives of Atlanta, like, season four, five, six. So it's canon now. She's, that really shook the table for me. If that's not in the final edit, I'm calling Bravo and I'm calling NBC Universal. It's a perfect pickup on page, too, who, like, I love a girl that really doesn't play about her bitches in a real way. Mm. Amanda doesn't play about her bitches in a very fake way, clearly, obviously. Yeah. But we needed that energy. We needed that heat. I also want to talk about, there's, in one of the leaked audios, Amanda says, I was terrified to admit the truth to Sierra because I knew that no matter what, this was going to be a friendship deal breaker for us. And that scared the shit out of me because I had already crossed the line. So a few things I want to discuss here. Mm-hmm. Same. She was terrified because she knew it was a deal breaker, not because it was going to hurt her friend, but because she knew it was, like, going to go scorched earth. And then she was already scared to do that because she'd already done it. She'd already hooked up with Wes. She'd already started the, you know, started their relationship. And I just cannot believe, and Sierra says this in one of the audios, like, out of the millions of men in New York City, you chose the one man that you knew our breakup had fucked me up. And I know that people are like, oh, they were just a situationship. Oh, they were only together for two months. Have you ever heard a Taylor Swift song? I was like, those are the worst ones, by the way. The three to six month shit, that'll fuck you sideways. I'll tell you that. Hunter's like, not now. We've already gone through that. No, it's okay. Okay, like, and some of us have survived three month situationships that should have sent us to the mental ward. And some of us, and I did. I was wearing my grippy socks. You jumped in. Okay, go, keep going. But I really do empathize with Sierra because it's like, you know what? It doesn't matter if we were together for five years or for five days. If I tell you this person truly hurt me and you, I can't forgive that. And I think something that was also crazy about, which she was like, you can't help it. And she was like, you literally can't. But you know what that was a reference to? It was a reference to Sierra talking about dating white boys. How like, you can't, I know, which I did not even clock that until I saw it on Reddit. People were, because then even on the transcript, she's like, well, you said that not according to you. You said that on an episode that she was like, you can't. And it may be something not specifically white boys, but just like who she has dated on the show. Which is so incredibly different from like your best friend, your best friends who you've like held cry over a person. Yep. And cried with Sierra over West. That episode of her being like, I see you. I see you and you don't deserve it. I was like, you're nasty. No, it's really nasty, bitch. It's evil, dark sided, down in the gutter. No, that's a gutter girl. Gutter girl. That's a gutter girl striking out. I'm trying to make a bowling reference. It may not work. It might not land. Gutter bowling. Gutter girl bowling. Strike it. And when I wanted to go bowling the other night, you said, you called me country. And I didn't lie. And that's okay. But it's really nasty behavior in a way that I would never. I mean, like, yeah, West, I mean, Barr is always on the floor for men in general. Yeah. IMO. Yeah. But I do think like the proximity of their relationship, especially in this season where now that Paige is out, like they're kind of like, I mean, Lindsay a little bit, but Lindsay's a mom, so she's a bit more busy. But I do think like the closeness of their relationship, it is so haunting to be watching them in real time now. And like knowing that they're not okay. It's one thing to physically be with someone, but to like emotionally be like, that's my boyfriend now. Like they're, they're like, allegedly she had said to a fan, I guess, that she was like, oh yeah, that's my boyfriend. When someone asked who he was to her. And I am like, and then Lindsay did an interview with Andy Cohen, I think for Watch What Happened to Him. Yeah. That was like, you know, physically, maybe it started in February, but it definitely emotionally started before that. And I just, I personally am like, oh, it's so much worse. Like it's, it's again, it's horrible, but still one thing to like physically, you know, be like, have sex, hook up, whatever, but to be like, oh, like I'm developing feelings for this person. I'm pursuing them and acting on them when you actually have the choice to like treat your friend better and choose differently is. Or even to like apologize to her, like be more respectful and how you're rolling it up. Because that's another thing Sierra said, why are you breadcrumbing this on Instagram? Like, why were you hanging out together? Whatever. Even Jesse Solomon on Watch What Happens Live was like, we went to a brunch all together. And then just after that, West and Amanda went to their own secret brunch. What are you talking about? Secret brunch. Secret brunch. It's not 2014. Oh my God. I love that every single other member involved in this, like, you know, normally people will be like, you know, like, I'm not going to weigh in. Everyone's like, oh, and another thing. Well, because, and I know, listen, I think that like in general with cheating stuff, sometimes we're a little bit too like puritanical in how we address it. However, I think that everyone in the house is owed an apology because they have lied to every single person in the house and they've jeopardized and hurt multiple friends and multiple friendships in the house. Because it's not just Amanda and Sierra. It's also. Kyle and West had a friendship and Kyle, Kyle is Princess Diana to me. That's an insane thing to say. It's really not. I think that he gets a bat. He was, there were three, there were three people in that marriage. Okay. Kyle, Amanda and Amanda's delusion. So that's a mic drop. Okay. Let's go to what's happening on the series right now because I was sick to my stomach. I was sick to my stomach. The moment you said about Amanda telling Sierra, I see you was after West hooked up with a girl, was making out with a girl literally right next to Sierra, like closer than we are at this table. She was on his lap. It was. And then him being like, you know, fuck it, whatever. And I just want to bring this all back to eventually when West and Sierra had their kind of reunion at the boat dock. He said, he literally told her, I resented you for the way that the fans treated me after our. Split and I, if I'm Amanda watching present day, I would jump in front of traffic. However, the second thing I would do is think about if West presents Sierra for how the fans treated him after their. whole thing how do you think he's going to resent you after you've brought all of this drama into your relationship how is that going to happen and you're a side bitch just to be a side bitch him the him seeing other people at the same time is clinically insane not of not of him i mean it is because he's a man but like her to be like fuck it like i'm what's that uh sizzle song the weekend yeah you like nine to five i'm the weekend yeah turn it up bitch okay that's your song that's your track that is crazy to me i will say where we are i've i've always fallen yeah yeah where i've fallen into summer house obviously because of this drama but i'm staying for everything else i'm like i'm still having so much fun with this show like i didn't realize i would like it so much and i think like i've come around to lindsey i just like i like do you like carl now i like carl but he needs to get up you know what i mean like if we're still having the same like there's a flashback to him being like oh give me the ick he goes he's very like where my hug at i hate i hate a boy who's asking for his hug just disgusting i mean that's a thing in general for me i'm like don't touch me but him being like can i get a hug how i feel whenever you're all touchy-feely but that's friendship i'm not trying to clink clink hunter he's trying to clink clink lindsey and he's like where's my hug and then he goes harder i'm gonna be sick to my stomach fam no i hated that it made me the ick the soft bar is gonna close soon it's not a lucrative idea but i stand with him obviously in his sobriety i will patronize soft bar because you i'll pay 12 for some juice i don't care you've done it before you like if they got lemonade she's gonna be buying it i love a lemonade oh my god lemonade it heals me it heals me i will say i really really love the new cast members i really i love mia i'm so taken with her she's so fun she's such a good person um who else what's the other kj kj i struggle with but kj it's just he's so online i like him a lot on the show however on the internet he posts on threads i don't know if you've seen this like he's a high school athlete whose job it is to post he's it's always like these like random non-sequiturs or like probably getting paid to post they don't pay me enough that's why i haven't posted that's why i have not threaded in my life phantom thread even but i want to go back to carl for a second because the scene between lindsey and carl's mom yes yo now listen i like carl a lot yeah i think he's very sweet now his mother no she's a little something she was doing too much i'm like what do you mean lindsey doesn't owe you anything she dated your son they broke up yeah really he broke up with her on camera so there's an agreed party here it's kind of her but what do you mean you you know you feel like you're owed a hug you feel like you're owed a confrontation whatever you guys are not close yeah you never were she's just trying to be on the show and i get that i respect that it's crazy for i'm trying to get her mother isn't that crazy for a mother cut to me as a mom in a couple years i'm like and another thing sister i think it's it's definitely like she just wants her screen time she said she's a boy mom down she's so a boy but yeah she does not sit well with me you know who i didn't sit well with me at first and now i'm like fucking obsessed with her sabrina the like like braless witchy one like she's like she's like she's the kind of girl you hate yeah you know i don't get down with all that witchy your aura is like i'm totally sensing something like epic on you like a lot of green maybe like she is you know i like that shit a little a little she's i don't she doesn't feel additive to me she's definitely not but i like that vibe um dara kj really kj's girlfriend dara excuse me dara she really goes to the mat for her and i'm kind of like why whatever it all of these relationships between uh ben and kj feel so like forced zero to a hundred so quickly well i mean they even say that on the show ben is the australian one right yeah we're like you were being single all summer you were like ready to like party and then this girl kind of comes back up out of nowhere and then to me it's pretty home but i do think there is something between how amanda was with ben talking about oh like you wanted to sleep with me in italy like we went skinny dipping whatever she's just looking for a place to land like that is male centeredness to its core she has it all over her you like that girl which goofy girl that new goof girl oh bailey or something yeah yeah yeah she's fine is she the one who's like kind of talking to carl yeah totally you ride with her totally whatever carl somebody gotta give him a little love oh lord sorry someone needs to give him his hug harder oh okay what else um i gotta bring us down bring us down r.i.p to west's grandmother and a moment of silence sorry that i laughed before the moment of silence yeah hope she's well well she's well she's not i'm sorry both of my cameras for that one no okay so i'll tell you what i read last night yeah west this sounds so crazy but this is the latest reporting that west's grandmother was murdered by his cousin over not doing chores his cousin was living with his grandmother they got into a fight because she said he didn't do enough chores and then swear to god allegedly he shot her in the face yeah in the face yeah and he's now been arrested and this all happened i think the timeline is that it happened the morning of uh the reunion so who knows if west knew that going into the reunion oh my god i'm not even like the kneecap like no face square on the nose is insane well like you know men hate doing dishes like that like i know but also girl that's insane that's crazy now west has not spoken out about this yet there hasn't been a statement about it maybe that's good no i think that's i think that's for the best given the statement with amanda when i think it's for the best no more statements from either of them yeah quiet is kept quite on the western front um but i will say something that was really funny i'm sorry where are you gonna go say the funny what what could be funny oh no it's not about grandma i was gonna say i they they have this show called like in the city or something like that oh yeah some spinoff or whatever yeah and i was just cracking up because all the comments are like we're boycotting until you cut amanda out of this show and i'm like so this is where the internet loses me well no so that she's the drama like i if the whole if all of this show was just everyone turning their backs on amanda and just bullying her all season i'd watch every episode appointment television i'm like i everything is normal until it's not on the internet you know what i mean like it's obviously like fuck west and fuck amanda but it's also so crazy to be like spam comments about like boy that's what i mean everyone being like she should be fine or whatever it's like that's not how this works no no sorry this is reality tv this is the drama that kind of makes the world go around i feel like people are acting like the way we acted when tiger woods cheated well they they had alarms non-stop they had like helicopters flying around looking for him like who's doing this i don't know i did see a tweet yesterday that was like every two years tiger woods either wins the masters or like gets into a car and dies oh god and it's not not true although it's not untrue him being like i'm on the phone with trump was crazy after he got arrested after he got arrested yeah yeah i mean yeah not defending him obviously and not defending amanda or west either but i just like the symmetry is astounding well i'm not defending anyone in this however i do think west nudes leaking well i hate that that's where we're doing too much yeah that's where it feels like that's actually really invasive also illegal and also doesn't have anything to do with this drama absolutely i feel like that's the thing that like i mean a clearer line but like the comments is one thing revenge porn is always a totally different one yeah it's so inappropriate it's so heinous it's such as like it's such a nasty response to what's going on and i feel like i mean i don't know who leaked them i haven't seen them do you have you seen i saw them one to ten that's like and that's why it's not okay and that's we just and we just acted out a scene of what you should never do when faced with nudes leaking i i they simply just saw them on twitter oh twitter oh twitter's kind of nasty like that i forgot one more thing about west though yeah his dad and you've brought you brought this to my attention before west's dad sexy sorry him falling into that split at that wedding like okay like father like son why can't they both hit a split that's crazy can west hit a split he hit a split a few times in fact in a way where i was like stretch my brother your dad don't need stretch he was off book dad was off book west different story but if we're admitting some truths at the moment bro there there's a guns mining but why was i listening why was i streaming jesse solomon's music and why is it kind of good i was like not too much well let me say this i am a bit of a jesse solomon defender i know you are he's looking your type no he literally is wait when you were watching the show and you were like oh this big old grin i know you like his ass i was like i do guess what i do um that's so funny i was at dinner with some friends a couple weeks ago and i was like oh like okay like girls let's talk about summer house yeah and the boys at the dinner were like uh now hold on now it's not just for girls like i'm i'm jesse solomon's number one streamer on Spotify when he's in my Spotify wrapped Then you know it's to you. His music is very, like, Michael Buble, kind of. Yeah, kind of folky a little bit. He's definitely, like, the pen doesn't go crazy, but, like, he has a really nice tonality to his voice. And I remember it when he sang his first, What would Jesse Solomon do? I haven't listened to the music. Is that the real song? No, it's when he sings on the show. And it's, like, a full track. Like, there's a bridge, like, in front of everyone. It's crazy. It was, like, his first season. And everyone's, like, wasted singing along, like, yes! Wait, I thought that was, like, truly a joke track. Nope, it's on Spotify. Wherever you stream. I know what I'll be doing tonight. I like Jesse Solomon. Except for when he asked Wes for permission to kiss Ciara. That, I hated. I hated how that went down, even though I actually felt like I understood. Because he did the right thing. Which is, like, if you're going to mess with your friend's ex, I think it's great to at least ask. I just think he's probably dumb. Well, of course. I think he was well-intentioned, but it just came out in a bad way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, well, I can't wait to listen to Kyle DJing sometime soon in the near future. We should go! We go to Soft Bar to pregame. Yes. Softly. And then we take a shot, Loki, at a different bar, and then we go to see Kyle on his ones and twos. I can't wait. Playing that Wes diss track. Okay, last question. What do you want out of the reunion? A fist fight. I want the girls to tussle. And I want Ciara to. You know I like when girls fight. I'm, like, problematic like that. Country. Country. What do you want? I want that one scene of Mia. I will stand at attention and salute when she says, you left your marriage to be one of Wes' side bitches. That's crazy. You know what you're going to be? You're going to be, like, the Eagles lesbian fan. Yes, yes! That's like, let's go! Let's go! That's you when Mia clears her ass. That is literally you. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'll film it. I'll film it. I'll post it. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Just as a bit, love or hate her, Lena Dunham? Love. And then let's react and say, you know. Oh, you don't want to say anything like that? Because they killed me in the comments? No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. He's like, you saw the. I'm. Choke. I got. Listen. We're going to start over. I'll say. Okay. Go ahead. Well, I'm scared now. Oh, my God. I. I'm a lover of Lena Dunham. I love her. That's my mother. And you can tweet until you get blue in the face. I don't care. She can have whatever she wants. She is a. She is a full plate at our table. Come on out, Lena Dunham. It's a real bullshit. Oops. I'm sorry. I'm a mess. Here we go. Okay. No, let's get in it. This is the thing about Lena Dunham that most people don't understand. Panko's crazy every single time. Every single time. Except for Sharp Stick. Other than that, Panko's crazy every single time. Good for you. I think that truly she is one of one in every way possible. And also, like, the stuff that she has lived through. She's, like, been a woman on the internet at the exact wrong time to be a woman on the internet ever. Oh, my God. Yes, yes. Like, the constant kind of Gawker, Jezebel, Cut, Vulture, Think Peace era, BuzzFeed, Business Insider, you know, whatever. All of that, plus being in Brooklyn, First Lady of Brooklyn, plus making a really incredible TV show that had no diversity, and then they brought in Republican Childish Gambino, and, like, that didn't work. That was Republican Childish Gambino. It was insane. But you are telling me that I'm supposed to hate the woman who put Marnie singing Stronger and Adam Driver dancing to Valentine by Fiona Apple. I'm supposed to hate her? She put them in the same episode. I'm supposed to hate that? And you're supposed to hate the one who had the line, Did you leave in a rush? That's an auteur. One Man's Trash, anyone? Oh, wait, which one was that? That was the Patrick Wilson episode. Oh, that one and the Marnie episode, obviously. Oh, Panic! at Needle Park. Of course. Panic! at Central Park. Yeah, that was a real idol. When I say, we have to come clean about something, we do, we hate to brag, but this is just the truth. That's the most L.A. thing I've ever heard. I hate to brag, but it's just the truth. It's just the truth. Okay, go on. It's my life. What did I say? We met Lena Dunham at Gloria Seidem's house. You said that? You said that, like, that's our drag normally. That we just, like, go to Gloria Seidem's house all the time. No, no, I said it like, like, it gooped me, it gagged me to be like, wait, what are we doing in her home? Like, we should have to pay a fee or something. But, and the funny thing is, when we arrived at the event a little bit late, we are, they were like, does anyone want to sit in the front? Oh, girl, I got my purse. Hunter, I said, let's go. She literally charged in the front. One thing about Peyton, she loves to take a seat. She loves to pop a squat. If there's even a halfway bench-like surface. Don't bring it up. She's gonna sit. She's gonna sit. She's gonna take a sit. And I grabbed Hunter's little wrist, I said, we sit in the front. I said, Rosa! We sit right in the front because I was like, this is a woman that raised us. Like, I am so, we are so, she went through the trenches, as you said, so that we could fly now. She walks, we could run a little bit. Yeah. And a lot of people in a lot of ways. Yeah. It's like a little less of a heinous time to be a woman online. But we talked, it was a talkback for FameSick, her new book. And it just, you know how sometimes a talkback can be like, okay, like you are just wanting to hear the sound of your own voice. I felt so involved in the conversation. I felt so invited in. It felt so, just like warm and honest. And I feel like this, you know, I'm not, I'm only like 300 pages in right now, but I think like, I've already taken so much away from it. It's like doing the artist's way. I've like released so much shame while reading it. I'm not even joking. I'm literally like, oh, I feel like to be in a body, especially as a woman, is a baseline of prison. And then like one, really grappling with like what it's like, how we treat sick people, especially chronically ill people. And I just, I think doing like a public, like being real, doing like a public facing job is really hard. And it's so easy to constantly think about what other people think of you. Yeah. And for, to watch her approach in 40 with what seems like, I don't want to say grace because that feels like it like pedestals her in this way, but it's just like honesty. Like just being like, this is exactly what I am and who I am and it's beautiful. No, speaking of that sort of reflection, one of the parts of the talk back that I really resonated with the most was her saying, looking back, I don't think I was like ready for public consumption. Like growing up, like among artists as a city kid, things that felt provocative to other people did not feel provocative in her house growing up. And that she always wanted to be you know, like center of attention, like hanging out with adults, like being around older people. And all of those qualities which made her such a good writer also made her like truly not aware of how things would come across to people who didn't grow up the way she grew up. Like if you grew up in the suburbs, had like a conventional upbringing, yeah, she would be pretty shocking like not wearing pants ever. And all of those things I thought like that's a really, you have to reach a real place of like self-awareness to see that and also to not take that with a lot of blame, guilt, and shame that I just grew up in a different way and things that are normal to me are not normal to other people and I was unequipped at that time in my life when you're like 24. And that's another part of the book that I really love is like I wish it had gone more and I would love to ask her this like how she thought about how much of girls to talk about in the book versus, because it does kind of move pretty quickly through the seasons but the most time on the like talking about the show is spent on like the pre-production whenever she was like casting Jemima, whenever she was like writing the scripts herself and that stuff was really moving because it's like oh, none of this happens overnight and for someone who has seen like such an overnight success it really, that moment of her and Judd and Ginny Conner working on this show they didn't know there was going to be they just wanted to make it together was very special to read about. Yeah, and I think also something that this was like in some I think it was Las Costas Risas where she was talking about how like she wrote her first book in like eight months and then wrote this in eight years and it really, just being reminded of the value of like taking your time with a thing where like we're only taught to like over-consume and over-produce and most of it's half-baked and like which is why we're probably always seeped in regret of like a thing that we didn't really fully sit with. It's so nice to see like this version of her. I think something that really struck a chord with me was not just in the book her health issues which like felt so difficult to read as an empathetic person or a person with a heart and a brain but when in that talk back when she was like you know people want to shame everyone for self-diagnosing on TikTok but it's because we just aren't afforded the tools and this is a person with money and privilege and is still not knowing what's going on in her body and it reminded me of this one time I have now been diagnosed twice with pretty severe ADHD Hunter's like I've known some fucking college bitch who could never tell a story straight but she's like I could have written that for you but I remember the first time I talked to a doctor he was like oh well you graduated college so and you live in New York on your own so I don't think you have ADHD verbatim and then was like you know what I don't think you need Adderall I think you need to be on birth control and I was like wait what and he's like you said you weren't on birth control and I was like no and he was like well why I'm like well I'm gay and he was like you still need to be on birth control and I was like I'm gonna close my laptop now but that's like a very normal experience for a lot of young women and that's like so small scale compared to like everything that she went through and I don't know it just made me really think about like how little we think about chronic illness and like how much, we're taught to like push through especially in women like how illnesses show up in women is under research under diagnosed i have adult onset adhd self-diagnosed however in my self-diagnosis i did do a lot of research into how a lot of girls are not diagnosed with adhd until they become adults because in boys it's like oh his grades are bad or it looks like this in boys but women are just naturally trained to be high achieving and to be so you know accommodating that it yeah like endure and i only found out because my all my friends who are women of a certain age were then getting diagnosed later in life and that's very similar to the email that she got was an email or letter it was an email from a woman who has like i've read everything you've written on lenny letter about your illness i've seen everything that you've written on instagram about your illness and i think that you have this very rare connective tissue disease and it matched every single one of her symptoms and then i think another very important moment in the book is after the hysterectomy that she gets at 30 she gets a lot of pain and she's like oh my god i'm gonna die and she's like oh my god i'm gonna die and she's like oh my god i'm gonna die and she's like oh my god elective elective hysterectomy um jenny her writing partner at the time calls her mom and is like okay great so like now she's healed and her mom is on the phone like no no this is only the beginning like now we have a diagnosis that's the first step in you know how to live in this body in this life yeah and that was like a real moment of of um that really shook the table for me i thought that was really beautiful yeah speaking of her mother i her mom and her dad in like all right that's enough like let's get let's be strict with it but also like it's so like a fierce protection too and it's so lovely to watch or hear about the way that she had been parented yeah which is i think she's saying says a lot is such a rarity yeah to like really have parents that like are real with you but also ride for you in a very serious way and like always be behind you yes and one of the i think more unexpected parts in the book that i really really loved was her writing about how her parents how they like you know sort of had to reorient their lives around her fame and her art and how they'd always been the artist and her mom like her mother's work was so important is so important to her mother and yet now she's just lena dunham's mom yeah yeah and i thought wow as a woman that must be you know for some people um and gloria signum said this like she felt like she was living through her mother's like wishes totally as a writer and reporter because her mom didn't work um whereas lena on the other side of the room it's like no you actually have lived your own dream because your mother lived her dream and yet you've eclipsed her in some ways and that's that's just a totally different experience and like also really beautiful i feel like we've probably talked about this before but like what girl are you and you can make it complicated if you want you can do like sun moon rising i'm not gonna make it complicated because you know what you post about leo's on your close friends i said she's getting into it i i didn't realize i was an ai video i feel so stupid now just like my dad oh my god no i'm like every old person i like got taken in my ai video but it did say that leo's have a warm heart but a long memory and that is true don't pull up those files girl if it happened to me i didn't i didn't and it happened to you i didn't forget it either that's true actually if you mess with me once hunter will never forget it i will never you you know you can't tell me everything because i'm gonna keep a grudge she played with me but she don't play about me i'll tell you that okay what girl are you what girl um i you know what i think i'm a shoshana i think i used to be a marnie but i think i'm way more of a shoshana because the marnie the marnie um singing career that's like too delusional i'm way more shoshana where i'm like i'm gonna we're gonna make it happen we're gonna be a little grounded in reality yeah yeah but yeah that's i think that's you and you have sense yeah but like also like when you want to crack it open pure heart oh my god which girl are you um jessa rising of course oh here we go this is how i know you're making complicated yeah yeah okay okay i'm i'm a jessa rising i would say i'm a marnie's son maybe shosh moon i said all of that maybe hannah moon yeah probably i said all of that and you know which girl i am i am andrew randles yes you are and your dad is gay you are so what's his name in the show um oh shoot i can't remember elijah yeah when he wears when he shows up to lunch wearing the scarf and saying he's gay and hannah is in is in disbelief she's like that little scarf is like is this about a scarf no the scarf doesn't help anything oh wait okay top scenes and girls it's gonna be elijah hello elijah's introduction it's gonna also be did you leave in a rush did you leave in a rush that's the only thing that has ever done that i will ever appreciate line reading and and then it's going to be a little bit the the beach house dancing at the end of when they're like all doing it together yeah but i also really really love when hannah is talking to shows and she's like well i say you're a little unstimulating and jess is like no i've seen her read the new york times in paper maybe i am more of a jess than i think like um okay i okay piggyback on that it's it's not the dancing but it is when shosh is crashing out i love when a beautiful woman oh yes you know what i mean oh i also have to say in that episode when when elijah's like those carrots are very thinly sliced and marnie's like they're julienne that's what it means to julienne something if that you know that's me yeah and also it's like so hungry to be like so pissed about like just invite him over to dinner we have one no truly okay top three moments and girls piggybacking off that when um my favorite episode of tv maybe all time which is uh panic in central park was the part where they're getting robbed and she was like i didn't even know people got robbed anymore so me that is literally so you oh my god oh oh my god what the hell like love her um perfect episode and then i mean i'm such a marnie i might be stronger yeah i can be your white kate moss tonight just the whole like the true like rearrangement of the song for her to sing it is like in that dress too about this it's a star to me i also have to say to me what she made actually oh so that's crazy um but speaking of you know sleeping with your friend's boyfriend amanda and sierra i do i don't like this episode i don't like this relationship but i do like when jessa dates adam and they have that big fight that hannah overhears and jessa says we could die in the same bed and i would never forgive you for like distancing me from my best friend yeah that was like yeah and even just the shot just of when he's doing that play and they're across the way from each other and you know i have that exact outfit which does not bode well for me unfortunately i have that just a cheating outfit i walk around that people are like oh she's about to ruin a friendship oh also very good taylor swift song um well we could talk about this all day we could how about you tell us your favorite girls moment yes and tell us which girl you think we are oh yeah i love that there are wrong answers in that by the way but yeah there are right ones too like how dare you say i'm a jessa you know that's not true finish artist way and then i think maybe cut we're done it's done hi i'm nicole felts global fashion news and features director at vogue and co-host of the run-through podcast each week on the show our listeners get an all-access pass into the world on tuesdays join me as i interview influential designers like calvin klein rachel scott and some on thursdays join chloe mal head of editorial content at vogue us and choma nadi british vogue's head of editorial content as they explore fashion through the lens of culture with guests like doja cat and margot robbie listen and watch the run-through with vogue wherever you get your podcasts and vogue's youtube channel your body is always changing and those changes can feel like a lot to navigate alone weight that won't budge skin that starts to show signs of change hair loss mood swings midi health gets 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