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STRID (1:12) Familiekonflikten

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STRID (1:12) Familiekonflikten

The podcast episode delves into the power struggles in Norway in 1164, focusing on Erling Skacke's rise to power and strategic alliances. Erling ensures his son Magnus Erlingson becomes the crown prince through complex promises and dealings with the church and the Danish king Waldemar. Waldemar's aggressive foreign policy leads to a conflict with Erling, culminating in a large Danish fleet sailing towards Oslo Fjord. The narrative highlights the intricate political landscape of the time, with alliances, betrayals, and power dynamics shaping the future of Norway. The episode provides insights into the historical events and key figures that influenced the course of Norwegian history during this period.

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Welcome back to a completely new season of Strid, the podcast on the Norwegian border wars. My name is Aslak Siramire and I'm a national guide and with me in the studio I have historical Ole Albert Rönning Nobi. In this first episode this season we are going to hear about the real harmful problems for Kristian Kongstadter and Erving Skacke and then we are going to meet a rough place to go with guerrilla soldiers that are called Birkebeinande. The year is 1164 but we are in Bergen, Norway and maybe Scandinavia. Outside of Holmen in Bergen you can see the power in Norway when it is that part of Norway where there is a man. His name is Erving Skacke. The river is a bit shallow because it has been damaged by a strike in the middle of the sea. He himself is the king or king son but he has managed to make sure that his son, the youngest Magnus Erlingson, has become the crown to the king of Norway and not only the crown on a thing that kings most of the time. No, Magnus Erlingson is the first king in Norwegian history who is crowned by himself as a prince. There is no power in men in Norway than Erving Skacke in Bergen in 1164. But, Ode Albert, in order to get there, he has not gone through blood, water, rain and dry storms and strikes. He has also had to promise a lot, right? Yes, Erling is in 1164 at the height of his power, I can say. He has gotten so much and they have done a net-top, as you say, as a kind of "V" and "Zelle". Perhaps it will not happen, but "V" promises a whole lot of things to other people around him that have things that he needs that he does not have. The first thing he has promised a lot of is those who now have the crown on their heads to his six, seven-year-old son and saved him. David was saved by the king of the Old Testament, like Magnus Erlingson, saved the king of Norway by the Church. And the Church, the Archbishop of Nidaros, the chief of the Church of Norway, did not do this for free. No, you can press yourself and this is a big theory in Norwegian history. The Archbishop of Norway, in 1153, means that it will be a part of this great, great organization called the Catholic Church today. And in exchange for making the king powerful and healthy, because that is what you do when you crown the king in that way. In exchange for making the king powerful and healthy, in a situation where the king is not a son or a king. And the central point is that Magnus was crowned the king, because he does not fulfill the traditional rules for what the king of Norway demands. Magnus is not the son of the king, he is the son of Erling Skacke, who you said was nice to hear. He is not the king himself. So there is some blood on the rules here, and therefore Erling has to suffer with a new type of legitimacy, a new type of law. And that is not based on the old rules, the old traditions, but on the new institutions, the new church way of thinking about the legitimacy of the king. And that is that the power does not come from the things, does not come from the bottom, but it comes from God. And that the king's power is, in theory, not in practice, but in theory, absolutely in a way. And that the church has kept fast, and Archbishop Öysen has kept fast, to be able to do this, Magnus Erling, as the king said. But that is that he is born in justice. He is born in justice, who, after all, the church has come to keep up with, as the principle of God is justice. This is holy, but it also makes it possible to regulate who becomes king or not, who is to be crowned, who is to be controlled, because you have to be married. And it also makes such a system, it also makes the Church get a lot of power themselves, because they regulate, not only who can have sex with whom, but who can be crowned, who can be divided into one, who can be organized or organized, what is the right or not the right, isn't it? Netop. So it is about a lot of legitimacy around the power and the king power of Norway, being founded on a church foundation. And that is of course important for the church itself, that it wins a big ideological victory in the crowning of Magnus Erling, so that is the only thing. But the other thing is that it wins completely concrete victories, and also in the important, what we may call proto-constitutional documents, that is, sort of fundamental documents about how Norway should be controlled. And the only thing that is very important, that will become incredibly important in the coming years, is a so-called privilege, that the Church gets a lot of freedom, the rights of Erling Skakke and Magnus, but Magnus is still a child, so that is what Erling decides. So Erling gives this Church a lot of freedom to control himself, decide for his own things, and that is exactly what becomes a starting point in the coming years. So we are going to see the worst part of that, not the speech with the devil, but with God, who Erling Skakke has to go in, to be able to make himself the most powerful man in Norway, and not my son, the king. He is also a church. He has a position in the position of king and king in Norway. He has a church, an institutional power, a regulatory power. And then it should also be said, that in addition to this privilege that you are talking about, there are also big economic concessions. Yes, the right to sell the wife to Iceland, sell the son to Skakke and so on. So the Church becomes, of course, a huge power, but the other side of this, the other side of it, the other side of it, Lola Albert, because he said that Erling has to go in with two speeches, and the Church is the only one with the most speeches. But the other side of it, Erling has to go in, which is enough, is more difficult to sell out as an ideological project in the best view, is not it? Yes, if this was the speech with God we talked about, then it is a kind of speech with the devil that Erling was talking about. Yes, it is not a long speech. And it is the speech with the Danish king. We talked about in a previous episode, that Erling, in Tringselstund, traveled from Norway when everything was so dark and bad, so he took with him his son Magnus, before he was crowned and before he had become Norway's most powerful man, he traveled to Denmark and got the help and support he needed to become powerful. And then we talked about legitimacy, which is important, but it is not as fast as men and soldiers and ships, and that is exactly what he gets in Denmark. In Denmark he gets the power of war, and that is what he gets from the king in Denmark, called Waldemar. Waldemar is the sister child of Erling's wife, Kristine. Kristine has just talked a lot about, she is the daughter of Sigurd Jorsalfar, and Erling made a couple of cups when he was allowed to marry her, because he lifted her up in the highest part of Riksseliten, and without Kristine, it would have been impossible for Erling's son to become king. And again, Kristine is very important to Erling, because with Kristine he can tie a tight alliance with the Danish king, but it is not free, because in order to get all these ships and boats and men and weapons, Erling, according to Snorre Stullarsson, one of the most important heroes, promises the Viking, the area around Oslofjorn, to the Danish king, who says, "How are you, Waldemar? You get the whole Viking, that I get the support to win the Norway." And you called this a land Viking in the previous season of Slagg. Yes, and that is what I stand for. And if I have to explain, I have done some research. When we have made this fight, and worked with the barricades, it is about Erling Skakke, the figure I stand in front of, who is far, far more important than I had thought in the history of Norway, a fantastic figure. And then I see that he is not so well-known and so famous as the name, the role he should play. There are only two ships in Norway that I have found, so in the case of Erling Skakke, one in Trondheim and one in Kristiansand, of one or another reason. But I would have thought that he should have had a ship in all Norwegian villages. A shipyard. A shipyard. But the reason that it is not a shipyard is because he has, rightly so, the Viking. He has rightly said, "Danskers can get the whole Oslofjorn, if I just get power in Norway and get the war power I need." It is not necessarily popular to give away a whole country to another king. In that country, for example, who is given away is often unhappy with that. How do people react in the Viking conflict, Olofjord? Yes, we can hear that when many people become crowned, when Erling is out of power, and all these small operation ships get down badly, and there is something that is approaching a kind of peace, then Erling understands that now the state of affairs begins to allow him to think out, and he has been in the Viking for so long, but maybe now I have to pay the money I have promised to the king in Denmark, Valdemar. What he does is, he is smart, Erling, so he draws to the Viking, to the castle. Yes, he always draws to the castle. Yes, he always draws to the castle, keeps things, and says that, even in Albania, he has met Osvoldemråden and said, "No, I have received a call from the king in Denmark." I have sold it to him. Yes, he sold it to Denmark. And I have had to hold this call with less of your hands against it, he says. And then he writes a story about this, he says that this is what he is a fan of. No, I don't think it was a bad idea. When you first ask Erling, you don't really think it was so nice to be sold to the Danes? They don't want to be the king's men as long as they live, they say in the story. So it's cool here, and Erling takes what the propaganda says, of course. But the Danish king, he is the end, so he is a very opponent for Erling, I think we can say. Yes, because what happens here, you have to see for yourself that it has entered, as I say, two numbers. With the church, it's okay. There is the church to build the churches, they get the bishop, they get to decide who is the king, they get to take their treasure. Many of the little children who are kings are kings of God, all this is okay, it works. The number of Danes has also worked to the point that Erling got the bishop, he managed to conquer his enemies, he managed to rob Norway. But when payback comes, the people in the Vika say that they don't want to be the Danes, and Erling has not so much strength to give himself to the Vika. One thing to remember, to put it a bit back, is that Erling's party has two core areas, they got their support from. The one in the west, Erling is from, the father to Erling was a great man, he has a great power base. The second is the Vika, where Gregorius Daxon, who I remember as a man with a golden helmet, had his power base. And it was the two together who created this party, these two areas. If Erling gives from his Vika, he gives from his half of his power base. And that doesn't work for Erling. It doesn't work for Norway, it's not free, and he has a problem with the treasures. And when he comes to the treasures, as you say, our friend, the Danish king Waldemar, has thought a bit longer than what he has done. Yes, because I think it's exciting because it means that the Danish king Waldemar has quite good piling on Norwegian politics. Because he understands that there is a place where he can maybe meet a friendly ear. So he's just in the treasure team and he sends messages to the treasure team, they go to Niderås, under the cover of what they are going on a pilgrim trip, they dig a hole in the hell. Yes, so they want to dig a hole in the hell, they are so fast, they often come up. A bit like the Russian spy in England. Yes, they like it very much. And they go to Niderås, and what they do is that they have a letter with them, that the Danish king has written, and where he promises the treasures, gold and green forests, where they want to take Waldemar to the king, where they want to break with Erling. And that's important, because the treasure team doesn't give the key areas to Erling. This has been the area that is controlled by other things in the king's family in the history that we have talked about so far. So the treasure team has often been on the other side of the battle, where Erling has been involved. So our friend Waldemar, he sends letters up to the treasure team, and the treasure team, they go with this. Yes. They write a letter, they put their seal on it. It's okay if we just let go of his treasure box. Then we will take it to the king, and this will go well. And it means that this conflict, where Erling has developed, will get a solution, with the treasure team getting the key areas and getting rid of Erling on the way of the Danish king. But the development doesn't end there, because who is in charge of the letter that the country, but in Trondheim, has signed and sent back to the Danish Republic? It's the worst thought, because Erling, of course, has his tentacle everywhere, so he gets the key areas in the letter, travel up to our treasure team to make sure that he gets killed if he gets there. So it's a hard front there, we have been in a long period of war, and it's not like that. It's not like they're clinging to each other when they meet for a meeting. Long time ago, and there are people who have built up a tolerance to kill each other. So Erling gets a sign that he will get killed if he gets there, but he will come as well, travel into the Netherlands and the first thing he does is get rid of those who are the leaders here. He kills a countryman, a aristocrat, and then calls him into things, and what does he do there? He goes straight and straight up, like a hawker lying on the 50th floor in Norway, on a sidewalk that is better made by one country and a little too many communists. Then he goes up and takes the chair, puts things, and then he pulls out across one of those treasure teams that has signed that they want to give the king's rule to the Danish king. And he doesn't just do that, he shows to some of the companies and then he says "there is your seal". And they are taken down with boxing, and Erling Skacke has managed to take this situation. Where he has the seal, and has sold the seal to the Danish king, and has made it clear to him that the seal is a treasure countryman, he wins the right to support the diplomatic struggle now. That's what he does, and he gives the treasure teams a huge amount of money, that they have to pay to Erling, and if the treasure teams don't like Erling from before, then at least he doesn't like it now. But that means that in the beginning of this, Erling Skacke has managed to maneuver even stronger, the Viking is still Norwegian, he has control over the Western countries, and he keeps the treasure teams under control, because he has taken them into his own hands. That's just one problem, and that is that the Danish king, Waldemar, he doesn't call Waldemar the big reason. Waldemar from Denmark is not the best Waldemar, he gets the name "the big reason", and what is it? It's because Waldemar is in the form of the big state building in Danish history. The dynasty Waldemar founded is controlled for almost 100 years, and is in the form of representing such a big time in Danish military history. It is where Denmark is at its largest, and Denmark is never bigger at any point in history, but it is under the Waldemars. Waldemar is a founder, and the big one has got the name "the big reason", he drives it from a fairly expansive and aggressive foreign policy, and that is also what Erling gets to know in his meeting with the Danish king. So it's not just that the Norwegians are interested in him, he goes to the Germans, the Poles, and who will be his way? Yes, and the beginning of this is the robbery around the eastern sea that the Danes keep in the middle of the country, it's like Waldemars' policy then. What type of this is this? Well, Denmark has been doing this during the war, and in one way he stands out as if Erling Skakke has collected something, and Waldemar has collected Denmark, but Waldemar is much more kingly than Erling Skakke, and looks like he has collected better than Erling Skakke, but maybe his figure again? Yes, he is the winner of the Danish war, and he is a bit confused because he is not the most precise part of the Danish king, he is the competitor that he is fighting, and he is not even the son of a king, just like many of you in Norway. But it's a kind of funny story about Waldemar that I think is a bit strange, and that says something about his connection with Norway, because Saxo, who is a Danish hero, doesn't understand the Danish language, he meets Waldemar most clearly, and he knows Waldemar very well, and he has a story about Waldemar, that when Waldemar had parties and society, he played to take away his most precious part, and that was the old-fashioned knife, but that knife had belonged to King Harald Harrod, the Danish king who has been in Constantinople, and who is almost like... So he is the brother of Thor Latin Helge? Yes, the brother of Thor Latin Helge, and is a spectacular figure, and he tries to speak English. Is it the toughest Norwegian song ever? Yes, I think we can say that. It's the reason that he is after Harald. But that's what Waldemar thinks, and he thinks that Harald Harrod is probably Stas, and that he has the knife for Harald. That's really cool, but it also shows that for Waldemar, it's that thing that Herr Schover, part of Norway that Waldemar thinks that Denmark has a historic demand for, namely the Viking. That person is a bit sentimental here too, that he is just like that part of the story. Yes, almost like Viking-tissue and nostalgia that has obstructed the 100-year history with Hastings. He was interested in runes and stuff, and he is like that. But in that case, Herr Oderalbert, so Waldemar the Great, has taken a diplomatic role model step with Sendebud and Brev and the whole, has been promised the Viking not to get it. And Kermis Vorgsildas, with Dolken Tahal, has Harrod in his hands, looks out over the border, and he takes a decision. And what is that? It is to set the power back, to call out the Danish warplot. And this is a Danish warplot that you shouldn't be ashamed of. This is a warplot that is done by robbing large areas in the Baltic Sea, and that is done by making the mountains like an European great power afterwards. The warplot that Waldemar has taken with him in Norway now, is a really, really serious trouble. It is, perhaps, a hundred percent a ship. It is a huge fleet, that Waldemar sailing from Denmark and inwards towards Oslo Fjord. So the Danish food has arrived, and we remember that normally, we have now had, in the third year, normally, it has a cross-border in Norway, to take a tour to Denmark, and get a 10-20-30 boat there. It is to say that the Danish king has had a... He has been in a position to give up this, without being defeated. But now he comes with his own fleet, and he comes to do what he has not received from Erling Skacke, to get the Lord to judge the ship, in any case, perhaps all over Norway. Yes, the goal now is to be taken to the king, in that respect. He will be recognized as the king, so he will come into Oslo Fjord, to travel in here, and then he will meet, not the exact opposite of what he would like. No. In the following years, Waldemar will cast a stone at speed, from the country, when the fleet passes by. Yes, and here we have to stop him. You know what's happening now? You know that Waldemar attacks, you know that a large Danish fleet, travels into the bay, and we know that he is not able to calm down the bay. We know that, because the bay is not going to be Danish this time, or Waldemar snores. But the reason for him not being successful with his Danish food, there are two very different versions, and it is very difficult to tell the story, without telling both. So you have to give us two versions, Ola Albert. Yes, because, what I have told you now, is about the saga version, the one I have written down in Icelandic saga, which has a Norwegian perspective on the story, and has to take the Norwegian king's side. And in this version, they say that, Waldemar comes, Waldemar meets a really cold shoulder, and that Waldemar understands, because he is a pretty smart guy, he understands that if I am going to win here, I will use a lot more power and violence, than what I am actually interested in. Because the diplomacy and all this, that Waldemar wanted to be recognized as king, but what he understands when he comes, is that if I am going to be king, I will be a robber in Norway. And he could have tried that, but he is not interested in that. So he has thought that the Danish food is so big and strong, that if I first come and show him the song, and then someone will start, at least the weekend. Because he thinks that it is not worth fighting, you are the strongest of the book of Brussels, and Björnan here, but as far as I am concerned, he gets in the city from Rassadebønder, which is located in Hivestein, on Svabergård, when he drives past. What does this god actually say, to drive home? It is the Norwegian version, that we can say a little bit about. But there is also a Danish guy, and when you say that we know that Waldemar has come to the weekend, and we know that Waldemar has left home, then that is because we have put in two completely useless guys. So we have it in several different songs, that are built on each other, that are written by Saxo, that we have talked a little about before. And Saxo also tells that Waldemar comes to Oslofjorden, he says that he comes to Borg, where Ellinga has been to hold things, where he is taken to the king, and Saxo says exactly this opposite, he says that Waldemar is met with stoned applause. They actually stand with Norwegian flags, and have such a gillander, when he comes and sings, and we love each other, they can sing. And he is so popular that it is like that in the king, and he also says that Ellinga runs away, because he doesn't dare to meet the big Danish flag. And he also says that the reason that Waldemar gives himself, is that he meets the resistance in Tönsberg, where there are some Ellinga men who make a mistake on the spot, and where Waldemar understands that he has to burn out if he has to win. So the reason, because Saxo is also the reason that Waldemar gives himself, is that he, in a way, will be connected with his personality, humanity and religion. And then Saxo says again, that in another way, is that Saxo also says that Waldemar invades once again, and tries again in Norway, and it doesn't work out then either. And the question is, if it has happened twice, we don't know at all, maybe Snorri is editing the version, the most important point is that there are two versions here. One is that Waldemar is very popular, and the other version is also very important, because Waldemar is not popular at all. So you have the right to do more, a situation where the story about what is happening, it is 100% accurate who is writing it. And this is not written today, this is not a 1800s historian who tries to make a big Danish, a big Norwegian, to find out who is going to happen in 1814. This is then 100% accurate, 100% accurate, who is writing the version, to find out who is going to happen in Norway. Isn't that correct? Yes, I think so. And I get an impression that this area around Oslo is the most striking for me in the story. A little like Kashmir, or Donetsk, or something like that. An area where two different parts put together, and both parts make me think the same way. So both of them have to represent this story so that they have people or the popularity on their side. The Norwegian Kashmir in this case the Viking has become Norwegian. No matter if it is because the Danish King Waldemar met so seriously that he decided to not burn the church in Tönsberg and rather to go home. Regardless of what you believe in Saxo or Snorre, Waldemar is back in Denmark. He has failed with diplomacy or trying to get into the ring with the thugs. Erling Skakke has broken up and not given the Viking, and he has also failed and then we should believe that Erling Skakke is safe in Norway now but that is right and wrong. Because Waldemar the Great he is so powerful that if not Erling finds a solution to his Danish problem, he will never be able to solve his Norwegian problems. [music] In Fladland there is a research in Denmark with the Danish faith where there is one person and maybe the person who is powerful than Erling Skakke himself. It is the Swiss children to King Waldemar the Great of Denmark. It is the mother to the Norwegian King Magnus. It is the daughter to the super-famous Sigur Jorsalfar and the king to Erling Skakke. There is Kristine, the princess of Norway. And she has found a third way and what is that? Yes, because Kristine travels to Denmark in order to negotiate. That will be a solution. We can hear that Kristine travels and that she is with Waldemar, with the king in a year. And that she tries to find solutions with King Waldemar. So we see again that Kristine, who is concerned with Denmark at the starting point and who has lifted Erling Skakke up, gave him the opportunity to crown the king. He gave him the authority of the status that he rules. That she is the one who gives him the necessary political tools to carry out the political project. And that makes this a start for the negotiations with Waldemar. And because I see that you may be more powerful than Erling in the 20th and 20th centuries of feminism or in the first years of feminism but there is also something in it because what we see in the saga which is mainly about Kristine diving up on the entire central point of view is that she, who is sitting again when no one is crying has been killed and who is then covering up and taking care of the king, to spy and find out where he is now planning to crown Erling Skakke. It is the house that is invited to Bergen and makes sure that they come together to set up a strategy for what is going on. If we speak further back in time it is the house that is connecting Gregorius Dagsson and Erling Skakke when they have left their country and so they become alliance partners and then it happens that she chooses to leave Ausland and go to Bergen and it is a small trip that you can think of when you read the first episode you will think, why is Kristine so many times in a story that primers a man-child it is because she is more powerful than the child, how is the link up in football the one that connects things together. And then the story tellers are men and they tell a very patriarchal, man-dominated story that when they lay on a woman as they do with Kristine it is because they cannot be. Exactly. We thought Snorri did not think about having a woman-chic and so on. I can promise you that he did not think or maybe he did, but maybe Snorri but not as many others. But the point is that she moves forward because she is important because she cannot her importance cannot be underestimated. And we see that here too. But we will try to open up the question that we were a little in the midst of. Why? How is the peace change? Now Erling sees that Waldemar has pushed himself back. We have a little different versions of that. In one of the stories we have Fager Skinner says that Waldemar now puts on a kind of trade blockade that should be introduced to Norway from Denmark. That can be a real problem because Norway is also at that time that Erling understands that the Bergensen will do operations if there is no open trade. It can also be that Erling understands that he is a politician of a rather different caliber than most others we have met. Then he understands that if there should be some truth, if there should be some meaning in the peace I try to create here then I cannot have the that these operators can always go to Denmark and get support. I have to cover that hole. When you say that Christen is a year before something actually happens, we hope in Denmark is enough for this one reason. How to read the game, how to read what is happening, how to work with your partner, it is important that you talk to him and do him the opposite. And then at a point of time you call yourself Erling and say that now you can come and Erling comes in to King Waldemar. And that is a kind of scene in itself. So here is Waldemar and you remember that Waldemar himself was defeated in Norway, so Waldemar is the strong partner here. It is no doubt that King Waldemar the great Denmark is a powerful actor on the European stage than Erling Skarke in Norway. So Erling, when he gets to see how he is doing, he comes to Denmark. He is in July, he has with his top people, his 11 most important employees, they are dressed in brown, they have to take care of themselves. And that means a little that they are not so safe in this situation. They have to take care of themselves, and over there they have hats and hats. And they go to the country, and they go to the king. And he has to dress in a way that shows his face, they have to take care of themselves, they have to take care of themselves a little. And then Erling says "Here I can get grease. I can get peace, I can get a peace, because you don't want to fight me." And Waldemar, he looks like he is right in front of him and says "Is that you Erling?" "Is that you who has come?" "Yes, because I am the one who has come, Erling." And then he says, "Waldemar you will get grease, because I don't do anything to anyone who comes to me," says Waldemar. And here we have to read very, very long, because in the setting of someone who comes to me, it is more than that someone has called on the door and they receive a message. It means that Erling has come to give grease to Waldemar, that he has put himself in. He already has with income, I, 1/2. 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"It's not like Erling has to inform him," "to deliver any damage or anything." "But I don't know more about it." No, and what Erling does now is a completely true, important turning point in the Civil War in Norway. And we can't underestimate that enough. What this does is that the first thing Erling Kacke's regime can't find support in Denmark. That's point number one. And the second thing it does is that Denmark will be behind Magnus Erlingsson and Magnus Erlingsons after coming into the war in the Norwegian throne. And that's a huge resource to have on his side. He has succeeded, but in Denmark he missed something else. Something he never gets back. And that's the most important thing. The ambassador and diplomat and support player Erling has had until now. Because Kristine comes to Erling Kacke, she doesn't turn back to Norway. She turns towards a completely different place, Ul-Albert. Where is she now? She's just turning back and the history of that is one of the most exotic things we have from the Norwegian kings. She travels to Constantinople together with her lover. Grimm Russel? Grimm Russel? She travels to Constantinople, but to understand that we have to ask her back. Yes, because this is what the saga gives, that Kristine takes her lover, Grimm Russel, for the youth, out of the saga. And it's a little incomprehensible from the fact that she has just made this effort to make Erling Kacke, and that she is the mother of the king of Norway. It gives some meaning, but it gives meaning if we dig deeper into this. Yes, because then we have to go to some central points in the story. And the most important point we have to go to, that's Snorros in the saga a little before. Because we have heard that he has joined the sun since the beginning, so he was really good at taking lives of other kings. They died with an awful city away. If they were on a team with Erling, or it wasn't that important, he was just looking for that there weren't more possible candidates for throne than his own son. And so it turned out that there has been another candidate, the throne, who is very close to the gender for whom it was. Yes, that's a guy called Harald. And Harald, he is the son of, of course, Sigurmund. Sigurmund is the king of the tenor, which we followed while he was traveling around, in the building of the Woltuk Tensdjänter on the way around and around. He has taken care of everyone in Norway. He has a lot, a lot, a lot of children. And that's how it should be. But Sigurmund has a son named Harald. But Snorros also says that the mother of the king, is the king's son. The point is often that they are the sons of a king. But we have to know who the mother of Harald is. And the mother of Harald is the king of the tenor. Of course. And that's quite shocking. Because what you have to see for today is that the Christian who is married to Erling Skacke, she has children and has children with the king who Erling Skacke hates. So it's like that. This son is both the son of the king and the princess. You can't get blue or blue. This has to be an outstanding candidate for the Norwegian faith. And what Erling Skacke does, is that he gets this Harald. And the one who goes in the shape of Harald. When Erling Skacke decides to get his wife. It's not Christian, it's Magnus himself. It's the king, Magnus Erlingsson of Norway. Son to Christian and Erling. He likes to pray for his father to save his brother. To save his brother's life. I have to believe that it's because he has spoken to his mother. And that his mother says, "You can't do that. You can't go to your father and pray that he saves my son." Magnus likes it. And Erling says something to his son. To Magnus, who is so incredible He says that, "A little advice gives your friends, but you won't come any longer to rule your kingdom in peace if you always want to follow your good heart." Erling Skacke. And that's what Erling's policy is. That you have to be fearless to be able to win. [Music] And to listen to the heart that was Erling Skacke's philosophy. It can be a very important thing and at least not a philosophy of control. To follow your son you can see that there is an emphasis on the real nature. But it also means that Erling and Kristian are not the warmest love nature in Norwegian history. Yes, because for the first time Erling, as you say, lost his child after his wife. But Kristian has opened up to at least one child for Erling because Erling has many childhood dreams. Yes, he has in the following years, all this came I think it's interesting, all that we're talking about now came in a dump on one side in Heimskringle, the king of snores, so this is all part of the settlement. We get whole life history and family history in the settlement. And therefore, Erling has four children with three brothers. And this, we must remember, is the man who has insisted that his son be the king because he is born in real nature. And that this is so holy, everything is so christly. But he has three children, and they both have four children with three different loves. His wife has one son from before the real nature of Erling and with, so to speak, the son-in-law. And she gets children with Grim Rushle on it. Yes, that's right. So it's pretty incredible that the whole separate life of the son-in-law they have their own children, their own love for each other, and the christian can finally travel from here. And then we must remember that real nature at that time is not based on love, it's an economic transaction, it's a political statement. So we can't really expect love at all, but here it's completely insane. And it's fantastic that the christian still has his days, not in Norway, but in Istanbul. So how has Istanbul been threatened? She has abandoned Erling. Erling has lost his important diplomat. He has lost one of his alliance partners. Maybe he saw a advisor. Maybe that's what they have been for each other very clearly, that it has been a lot of christian's role. He has got the end of the deal with the Danish king, he has got to calm the selfish front, and he is then put in a safe place as Erling makes Norway's most powerful man. But it's not at all safe. Because Norway has lost some of the trends that were wanted to take into account, including the devil, the Danish king, if they just left Erling's house. And it's not just the trends that have something against the new regime. Because there hasn't been peace in Norway while Erling has seen the situation in Denmark, have you heard of that? No, it hasn't, but the Europe that is happening now is a little different than what we have talked about so far. And what we have often talked about is parties that are ruled by kings. So there are several kings. Øyster, Inge, Sigur, who rule over time, who conquer with each other, and who have their heroes, their followers around them. But when we move into Erling's chess time, and he has a great time as a knight in Norway, he will face him in a different way. Because what we hear about are the attacks that start within the eastern countries, and there are some kind of "Röverbander". And they have a kingdom, they have a country where they say "Kongenvård" and then you get a little unsure if this is really just to give this "Röverbandener" kind of legitimacy, is it a sort of "Mattisfyr" that they have seen as leaders here? Or is this actually a real kingdom, a real kingdom? Is it now that I have finally finished 13 episodes, and several episodes of the episode to talk about the class? Because what has happened in Norway is that Erling on the one hand has gathered what we call "Lendmen" in greater and greater degree, and they have to gather in greater and greater degree in a kind of party or a group that is not so divided, without the trundans, that has become the only one. But at the same time, there has been a whole background of people in Norway growing. Growing, and growing, and growing, and that means that "Gårar" has been divided and that you have got some type of "Gårar" in Iceland, that is very little "Rige". And you can say that in the name because they are called "Stumperugumpen" and "Humperu" and "Dumpa" and "Stubru" and that kind of thing. They are, and this is what I am approaching now, but with a language that I say "vet" with what time they are divided, and if you call it "Rud" then it is divided in this period in Iceland, and the small ones that have the "Gårar" are not "Stubenar", not "Lendmen", the small ones are "Renner Fattigare". And what we see now is that while the "Kongsemne" was plucked up by a "Lendmansgruppeering" "Viken", "Vestland" and "Tröntlag" that now they are traveling to "Flocka" with the "Kongsemne" as you can see here, in an attempt that does not necessarily have a "Lendman", maybe it is just one leader. And there is, on the whole way, that there has been a word of "Ujevar" that was "Uflax", that it was not possible to say anything about it. There is a little bit of a name for it. The word "Uflax", you know. And there has been other movements, but now there has been a "Flock" in the inside of the "Oppland" that on the one hand is so "Fattige" that they have to suck the "Björk" because they have no clothes, and on the other hand they have found a "Kongsemne" that is so "Pene" that it is called by the young man. How is it with her now, Ola Albert? Yes, now we have to meet a completely special "Flock", a completely special gang that we will be well known with in the next episode of "Strid". But because of the "Björka" they have around the legs, they get called for. The "Björke" legs. Now they are here, they are a little "Rufse" to gang with "Röver" and "Grille" soldiers inside the "Inland" in Norway, "Oppland" and "Inröstland". And they have also created a "Kongsem" that you say, he calls them for "Öystein" "Møyla". And "Møyla" that means you come from "Møy" which is the same as "Jomfru". And he has this name "Møyla" because he looks like a young girl, because I do not know where the old man is, or rather young, we have met many such small "Konger" that are not so old. So he can be one of them. But he is also written as "Smäcker" with a pale little face. Not a big man, but beautiful. Probably not a son of Sigermund, but the brother of Sigermund who also named "Öystein". And this gang here with Birkebeinare who then becomes "Mobba" for his "Fattigstighed". They are able to gather such a big force, that they in a way drive "Ärling" out of "Fustav" "Oppland" and "Inland" in areas around Mjösa. They are able to drive him out of the "Viken". And they are able to drive this all the way down to Tönsberg, one of the most important cities and the most important city in the whole area here. So they are on the one side a "Fattigstighed" gang on the other side in order to win a fight, after a fight against "Ärling". And this is the problem with "Ärling", that there are such force-fighters that can dance in the country and grow stronger. They can plunder, they can run and maybe get some shit. And at the starting point are these "Birkeberner" a "Viken" group a "Viken" gang that "Ärling" had to cut their heads off, that he had done half a time before. But they are able to get down to Tönsberg and they are on a "Går" out of Tönsberg and they are in a situation where "Ärling" is in trouble. But with one of the biggest most well-known fights, a well-known fighting place where "Ärling"'s closest military helps "Duckup". Because on "Re" where "Birkeberner" is gathered, where they have their flock and their herd in the "Går" "Ärling" will get "Datweider" in the "Horizon". And he is called "Arm Kongsborg". He is not a brother to Magnus Eringsson, but to Inge Krokrik. Yes, he was half-brother to Inge Krokrik. Inge in the "Rangvalstattar". This is a fantastic woman we talked about in the first season. She has connections all around the world. She has sent in her overall. And "Arm Kongsborg" is one of those sent in to Inge. And as you say, "Ärlingskakis" and Magnus in "Datweider" are the ones who come and beat them down when they are needed. Every time it is on the darkest "Duckup" and he "Duckup" here on "Re" and what he does is you have to look forward to "Ebren Gård" in "Tönsberg". It is winter and snow, snow is soft and light, snow that is heavy to walk in, but that you sink into. It is a meter high. On this "Gård" a "Kobirkeberg" is collected in a hundred ways. On the "Kobirkeberg" they need to have a tent outside and lie in the "Gård" and such. Then it goes one way up. On the "Dötsdjärna" with the "Härensinn" he is standing on the opposite way while the "Kobirkeberg" is sleeping. He has a lot less strength than them. But he does something weird. He gives his people to climb along the way. Then he lets it be again on the other side of the way big snowmobiles and then he climbs flat corridors on the other side of the way. So he is standing on the "Härensinn" so he blocks the way, and when the passage is made on the other side of the way the "Birkebeinerne" comes out and sees that the "Omkongsbror" are there but they see that they have more strength and think with the "Tarren" and they go to attack. The problem is that to attack they have to go one and one on this way. Because it is not an "E6" it is a "Kjärrevein" It is a "Kjärreveinstir" So they attack and the "Omkongsbror" blocks the way one and one. And then they are on a long, long line along this way. But what the "Omkongsbror" does is that when they attack his "Här" he sends his people down along the corridors. He has been picked up on the side so he has to turn the corridors of the "Birkebeinerne". But his people do not stand in the snow. And the "Birkebeinerne" has to go out without the loose snow. And that is the loose snow that we just hold. And in that way the "Omkongsbror" with a bit of strength together with the "Birkebeinerne" he is able to crush them, create a chaos and get them out of the way. And after that he has also killed "Öysteinmøller". So "Öysteinmøller" that girl boy, he dies here. And the "Öys" and "Birkebeinerne" are crushed, they break away they break into in Sweden. But I would like to tell a story about the "Birkebeinerne" here after this fight. Yes, because the "Birkebeinerne" who have not been able to die or have stuck up, they are there to have a real wound. And inside the house in the corner where "Öysteinmøller" is on the loose snow there is a man again who is not in the work. Yes, because they have put "Öystein" on the loose snow but inside this house there is the man, Magnus Eilingsson who has started to be a tenor and has been on this fight. He has had a lot of advantages. It is the first time he is without a father. The reason I am here is that Eilingsson with a big heart is a completely different country. But when you are sitting here, "Feyre Seijern" sees "Öysteinmøller" the girl boy I have killed and inside the corner there is a guy with a hat and there is the man because this is a "Birkebeiner" and he is sitting in the corner and when he sees his dead man he travels up and runs away and attacks after "Årm Kongsbror" and attacks after "Darthveder" and throws his sword at him and "Årm" manages to throw himself down because he is lying on a bench and has to lift his legs up to not be hit by the "Birkebeiner" but when he comes down and the people in the room who assume that he is a fine guy they fill this "Birkebeiner" with pills, jewelry and sword he does not fall because there are so many jewelry and swords that he is standing upright and then they assume that this guy, the "Birkebeiner" who carried himself over the floor he had his organs hanging out of his stomach all the time so it is a little bit of a fight that does not give up people who fight until the very end but now they are crushed now they have been destroyed from Tönsberg to Sweden to inland because they can get home in the woods again but he who has slipped himself over the floor with his organs hanging out in order to lift his dead body he gives us a preview of what these "Birkebeiner" are standing because inside the woods deep inside in Sweden then this "Birkebeiner" will be combined with a leader, a little short, a little underestimated "Prest" from the "Birkebeiner" who will put much more pride in the Norwegian history than what Erling Skacke has been able to do This series is produced by the National Library Producers and technicians are Live Fedle and Nilsen Cecilia Koss, Furusett and Marcus Stöle and the music you hear is composed and produced by Ävestaden

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. Introduction to the podcast "Strid" on the Norwegian border wars featuring Aslak Siramire and Ole Albert Rönning Nobi.
  2. Discussion on Erling Skacke, Magnus Erlingson, and the power dynamics in Norway in 116
  3. Erling Skacke's dealings with the church, Archbishop of Nidaros, and the Danish king Waldemar.
  4. Erling Skacke's strategic alliances, promises, and conflicts with the Danish king Waldemar.
  5. Waldemar's aggressive foreign policy, diplomatic maneuvers, and invasion of Norway.

Summary:

The podcast episode delves into the power struggles in Norway in 1164, focusing on Erling Skacke's rise to power and strategic alliances. Erling ensures his son Magnus Erlingson becomes the crown prince through complex promises and dealings with the church and the Danish king Waldemar. Waldemar's aggressive foreign policy leads to a conflict with Erling, culminating in a large Danish fleet sailing towards Oslo Fjord.

The narrative highlights the intricate political landscape of the time, with alliances, betrayals, and power dynamics shaping the future of Norway. The episode provides insights into the historical events and key figures that influenced the course of Norwegian history during this period.

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Magnus Erlingson was the first king in Norwegian history to crown himself as a prince, breaking traditional rules for Norwegian kingship.

Erling Skacke gained power and legitimacy by forming alliances, making promises to key figures, and leveraging the support of the Church.

The Church played a significant role in legitimizing kingship, controlling the crown, and gaining power through alliances and agreements with rulers.

A conflict arose between Erling Skacke and Danish king Waldemar when Erling promised the Viking area to Waldemar in exchange for military support, leading to tensions and power struggles.

The Danish king Waldemar attempted to assert power in Norway by sending a large fleet to Oslo Fjord to establish his authority and claim recognition as the king of Norway.

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