The podcast episode delves into the power struggles in Norway in 1164, focusing on Erling Skacke's rise to power and strategic alliances. Erling ensures his son Magnus Erlingson becomes the crown prince through complex promises and dealings with the church and the Danish king Waldemar. Waldemar's aggressive foreign policy leads to a conflict with Erling, culminating in a large Danish fleet sailing towards Oslo Fjord. The narrative highlights the intricate political landscape of the time, with alliances, betrayals, and power dynamics shaping the future of Norway. The episode provides insights into the historical events and key figures that influenced the course of Norwegian history during this period.
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Welcome back to a completely new season of Strid, the podcast on the Norwegian border wars.
My name is Aslak Siramire and I'm a national guide and with me in the studio I have historical Ole Albert Rönning Nobi.
In this first episode this season we are going to hear about the real harmful problems for Kristian Kongstadter and Erving Skacke
and then we are going to meet a rough place to go with guerrilla soldiers that are called Birkebeinande.
The year is 1164 but we are in Bergen, Norway and maybe Scandinavia.
Outside of Holmen in Bergen you can see the power in Norway when it is that part of Norway where there is a man.
His name is Erving Skacke.
The river is a bit shallow because it has been damaged by a strike in the middle of the sea.
He himself is the king or king son but he has managed to make sure that his son, the youngest Magnus Erlingson,
has become the crown to the king of Norway and not only the crown on a thing that kings most of the time.
No, Magnus Erlingson is the first king in Norwegian history who is crowned by himself as a prince.
There is no power in men in Norway than Erving Skacke in Bergen in 1164.
But, Ode Albert, in order to get there, he has not gone through blood, water, rain and dry storms and strikes.
He has also had to promise a lot, right?
Yes, Erling is in 1164 at the height of his power, I can say.
He has gotten so much and they have done a net-top, as you say, as a kind of "V" and "Zelle".
Perhaps it will not happen, but "V" promises a whole lot of things to other people around him that have things that he needs that he does not have.
The first thing he has promised a lot of is those who now have the crown on their heads to his six, seven-year-old son and saved him.
David was saved by the king of the Old Testament, like Magnus Erlingson, saved the king of Norway by the Church.
And the Church, the Archbishop of Nidaros, the chief of the Church of Norway, did not do this for free.
No, you can press yourself and this is a big theory in Norwegian history.
The Archbishop of Norway, in 1153, means that it will be a part of this great, great organization called the Catholic Church today.
And in exchange for making the king powerful and healthy, because that is what you do when you crown the king in that way.
In exchange for making the king powerful and healthy, in a situation where the king is not a son or a king.
And the central point is that Magnus was crowned the king, because he does not fulfill the traditional rules for what the king of Norway demands.
Magnus is not the son of the king, he is the son of Erling Skacke, who you said was nice to hear. He is not the king himself.
So there is some blood on the rules here, and therefore Erling has to suffer with a new type of legitimacy, a new type of law.
And that is not based on the old rules, the old traditions, but on the new institutions, the new church way of thinking about the legitimacy of the king.
And that is that the power does not come from the things, does not come from the bottom, but it comes from God.
And that the king's power is, in theory, not in practice, but in theory, absolutely in a way.
And that the church has kept fast, and Archbishop Öysen has kept fast, to be able to do this, Magnus Erling, as the king said.
But that is that he is born in justice.
He is born in justice, who, after all, the church has come to keep up with, as the principle of God is justice.
This is holy, but it also makes it possible to regulate who becomes king or not, who is to be crowned, who is to be controlled, because you have to be married.
And it also makes such a system, it also makes the Church get a lot of power themselves, because they regulate, not only who can have sex with whom,
but who can be crowned, who can be divided into one, who can be organized or organized, what is the right or not the right, isn't it?
Netop. So it is about a lot of legitimacy around the power and the king power of Norway, being founded on a church foundation.
And that is of course important for the church itself, that it wins a big ideological victory in the crowning of Magnus Erling, so that is the only thing.
But the other thing is that it wins completely concrete victories, and also in the important, what we may call proto-constitutional documents,
that is, sort of fundamental documents about how Norway should be controlled.
And the only thing that is very important, that will become incredibly important in the coming years, is a so-called privilege,
that the Church gets a lot of freedom, the rights of Erling Skakke and Magnus, but Magnus is still a child, so that is what Erling decides.
So Erling gives this Church a lot of freedom to control himself, decide for his own things, and that is exactly what becomes a starting point in the coming years.
So we are going to see the worst part of that, not the speech with the devil, but with God, who Erling Skakke has to go in, to be able to make himself the most powerful man in Norway, and not my son, the king.
He is also a church. He has a position in the position of king and king in Norway. He has a church, an institutional power, a regulatory power.
And then it should also be said, that in addition to this privilege that you are talking about, there are also big economic concessions.
Yes, the right to sell the wife to Iceland, sell the son to Skakke and so on.
So the Church becomes, of course, a huge power, but the other side of this, the other side of it, the other side of it, Lola Albert,
because he said that Erling has to go in with two speeches, and the Church is the only one with the most speeches.
But the other side of it, Erling has to go in, which is enough, is more difficult to sell out as an ideological project in the best view, is not it?
Yes, if this was the speech with God we talked about, then it is a kind of speech with the devil that Erling was talking about.
Yes, it is not a long speech.
And it is the speech with the Danish king.
We talked about in a previous episode, that Erling, in Tringselstund, traveled from Norway when everything was so dark and bad,
so he took with him his son Magnus, before he was crowned and before he had become Norway's most powerful man, he traveled to Denmark
and got the help and support he needed to become powerful.
And then we talked about legitimacy, which is important, but it is not as fast as men and soldiers and ships, and that is exactly what he gets in Denmark.
In Denmark he gets the power of war, and that is what he gets from the king in Denmark, called Waldemar.
Waldemar is the sister child of Erling's wife, Kristine.
Kristine has just talked a lot about, she is the daughter of Sigurd Jorsalfar, and Erling made a couple of cups when he was allowed to marry her,
because he lifted her up in the highest part of Riksseliten, and without Kristine, it would have been impossible for Erling's son to become king.
And again, Kristine is very important to Erling, because with Kristine he can tie a tight alliance with the Danish king,
but it is not free, because in order to get all these ships and boats and men and weapons,
Erling, according to Snorre Stullarsson, one of the most important heroes, promises the Viking, the area around Oslofjorn,
to the Danish king, who says, "How are you, Waldemar? You get the whole Viking, that I get the support to win the Norway."
And you called this a land Viking in the previous season of Slagg.
Yes, and that is what I stand for. And if I have to explain, I have done some research.
When we have made this fight, and worked with the barricades, it is about Erling Skakke, the figure I stand in front of,
who is far, far more important than I had thought in the history of Norway, a fantastic figure.
And then I see that he is not so well-known and so famous as the name, the role he should play.
There are only two ships in Norway that I have found, so in the case of Erling Skakke, one in Trondheim and one in Kristiansand,
of one or another reason. But I would have thought that he should have had a ship in all Norwegian villages.
A shipyard.
A shipyard. But the reason that it is not a shipyard is because he has, rightly so, the Viking.
He has rightly said, "Danskers can get the whole Oslofjorn, if I just get power in Norway and get the war power I need."
It is not necessarily popular to give away a whole country to another king.
In that country, for example, who is given away is often unhappy with that.
How do people react in the Viking conflict, Olofjord?
Yes, we can hear that when many people become crowned, when Erling is out of power, and all these small operation ships get down badly,
and there is something that is approaching a kind of peace, then Erling understands that now the state of affairs begins to allow him to think out,
and he has been in the Viking for so long, but maybe now I have to pay the money I have promised to the king in Denmark, Valdemar.
What he does is, he is smart, Erling, so he draws to the Viking, to the castle.
Yes, he always draws to the castle.
Yes, he always draws to the castle, keeps things, and says that, even in Albania, he has met Osvoldemråden and said,
"No, I have received a call from the king in Denmark."
I have sold it to him.
Yes, he sold it to Denmark.
And I have had to hold this call with less of your hands against it, he says.
And then he writes a story about this, he says that this is what he is a fan of.
No, I don't think it was a bad idea.
When you first ask Erling, you don't really think it was so nice to be sold to the Danes?
They don't want to be the king's men as long as they live, they say in the story.
So it's cool here, and Erling takes what the propaganda says, of course.
But the Danish king, he is the end, so he is a very opponent for Erling, I think we can say.
Yes, because what happens here, you have to see for yourself that it has entered, as I say, two numbers.
With the church, it's okay.
There is the church to build the churches, they get the bishop, they get to decide who is the king, they get to take their treasure.
Many of the little children who are kings are kings of God, all this is okay, it works.
The number of Danes has also worked to the point that Erling got the bishop, he managed to conquer his enemies, he managed to rob Norway.
But when payback comes, the people in the Vika say that they don't want to be the Danes, and Erling has not so much strength to give himself to the Vika.
One thing to remember, to put it a bit back, is that Erling's party has two core areas, they got their support from.
The one in the west, Erling is from, the father to Erling was a great man, he has a great power base.
The second is the Vika, where Gregorius Daxon, who I remember as a man with a golden helmet, had his power base.
And it was the two together who created this party, these two areas.
If Erling gives from his Vika, he gives from his half of his power base.
And that doesn't work for Erling.
It doesn't work for Norway, it's not free, and he has a problem with the treasures.
And when he comes to the treasures, as you say, our friend, the Danish king Waldemar, has thought a bit longer than what he has done.
Yes, because I think it's exciting because it means that the Danish king Waldemar has quite good piling on Norwegian politics.
Because he understands that there is a place where he can maybe meet a friendly ear.
So he's just in the treasure team and he sends messages to the treasure team, they go to Niderås,
under the cover of what they are going on a pilgrim trip, they dig a hole in the hell.
Yes, so they want to dig a hole in the hell, they are so fast, they often come up.
A bit like the Russian spy in England.
Yes, they like it very much.
And they go to Niderås, and what they do is that they have a letter with them,
that the Danish king has written, and where he promises the treasures, gold and green forests,
where they want to take Waldemar to the king, where they want to break with Erling.
And that's important, because the treasure team doesn't give the key areas to Erling.
This has been the area that is controlled by other things in the king's family in the history that we have talked about so far.
So the treasure team has often been on the other side of the battle, where Erling has been involved.
So our friend Waldemar, he sends letters up to the treasure team, and the treasure team, they go with this.
Yes.
They write a letter, they put their seal on it.
It's okay if we just let go of his treasure box.
Then we will take it to the king, and this will go well.
And it means that this conflict, where Erling has developed, will get a solution,
with the treasure team getting the key areas and getting rid of Erling on the way of the Danish king.
But the development doesn't end there, because who is in charge of the letter
that the country, but in Trondheim, has signed and sent back to the Danish Republic?
It's the worst thought, because Erling, of course, has his tentacle everywhere, so he gets the key areas in the letter,
travel up to our treasure team to make sure that he gets killed if he gets there.
So it's a hard front there, we have been in a long period of war, and it's not like that.
It's not like they're clinging to each other when they meet for a meeting.
Long time ago, and there are people who have built up a tolerance to kill each other.
So Erling gets a sign that he will get killed if he gets there, but he will come as well,
travel into the Netherlands and the first thing he does is get rid of those who are the leaders here.
He kills a countryman, a aristocrat, and then calls him into things, and what does he do there?
He goes straight and straight up, like a hawker lying on the 50th floor in Norway,
on a sidewalk that is better made by one country and a little too many communists.
Then he goes up and takes the chair, puts things, and then he pulls out
across one of those treasure teams that has signed that they want to give the king's rule to the Danish king.
And he doesn't just do that, he shows to some of the companies and then he says "there is your seal".
And they are taken down with boxing, and Erling Skacke has managed to take this situation.
Where he has the seal, and has sold the seal to the Danish king, and has made it clear to him
that the seal is a treasure countryman, he wins the right to support the diplomatic struggle now.
That's what he does, and he gives the treasure teams a huge amount of money,
that they have to pay to Erling, and if the treasure teams don't like Erling from before,
then at least he doesn't like it now.
But that means that in the beginning of this, Erling Skacke has managed to maneuver even stronger,
the Viking is still Norwegian, he has control over the Western countries,
and he keeps the treasure teams under control, because he has taken them into his own hands.
That's just one problem, and that is that the Danish king, Waldemar,
he doesn't call Waldemar the big reason.
Waldemar from Denmark is not the best Waldemar, he gets the name "the big reason", and what is it?
It's because Waldemar is in the form of the big state building in Danish history.
The dynasty Waldemar founded is controlled for almost 100 years,
and is in the form of representing such a big time in Danish military history.
It is where Denmark is at its largest, and Denmark is never bigger at any point in history,
but it is under the Waldemars.
Waldemar is a founder, and the big one has got the name "the big reason",
he drives it from a fairly expansive and aggressive foreign policy,
and that is also what Erling gets to know in his meeting with the Danish king.
So it's not just that the Norwegians are interested in him,
he goes to the Germans, the Poles, and who will be his way?
Yes, and the beginning of this is the robbery around the eastern sea that the Danes keep in the middle of the country,
it's like Waldemars' policy then.
What type of this is this?
Well, Denmark has been doing this during the war,
and in one way he stands out as if Erling Skakke has collected something,
and Waldemar has collected Denmark,
but Waldemar is much more kingly than Erling Skakke,
and looks like he has collected better than Erling Skakke,
but maybe his figure again?
Yes, he is the winner of the Danish war,
and he is a bit confused because he is not the most precise part of the Danish king,
he is the competitor that he is fighting,
and he is not even the son of a king,
just like many of you in Norway.
But it's a kind of funny story about Waldemar that I think is a bit strange,
and that says something about his connection with Norway,
because Saxo, who is a Danish hero,
doesn't understand the Danish language,
he meets Waldemar most clearly,
and he knows Waldemar very well,
and he has a story about Waldemar,
that when Waldemar had parties and society,
he played to take away his most precious part,
and that was the old-fashioned knife,
but that knife had belonged to King Harald Harrod,
the Danish king who has been in Constantinople,
and who is almost like...
So he is the brother of Thor Latin Helge?
Yes, the brother of Thor Latin Helge,
and is a spectacular figure,
and he tries to speak English.
Is it the toughest Norwegian song ever?
Yes, I think we can say that.
It's the reason that he is after Harald.
But that's what Waldemar thinks,
and he thinks that Harald Harrod is probably Stas,
and that he has the knife for Harald.
That's really cool,
but it also shows that for Waldemar,
it's that thing that Herr Schover,
part of Norway that Waldemar thinks
that Denmark has a historic demand for,
namely the Viking.
That person is a bit sentimental here too,
that he is just like that part of the story.
Yes, almost like Viking-tissue and nostalgia
that has obstructed the 100-year history with Hastings.
He was interested in runes and stuff,
and he is like that.
But in that case, Herr Oderalbert,
so Waldemar the Great,
has taken a diplomatic role model step
with Sendebud and Brev and the whole,
has been promised the Viking not to get it.
And Kermis Vorgsildas, with Dolken Tahal,
has Harrod in his hands,
looks out over the border,
and he takes a decision.
And what is that?
It is to set the power back,
to call out the Danish warplot.
And this is a Danish warplot that you shouldn't be ashamed of.
This is a warplot that is done
by robbing large areas in the Baltic Sea,
and that is done by making the mountains
like an European great power afterwards.
The warplot that Waldemar has taken with him in Norway now,
is a really, really serious trouble.
It is, perhaps, a hundred percent a ship.
It is a huge fleet,
that Waldemar sailing from Denmark
and inwards towards Oslo Fjord.
So the Danish food has arrived,
and we remember that normally,
we have now had, in the third year,
normally, it has a cross-border in Norway,
to take a tour to Denmark,
and get a 10-20-30 boat there.
It is to say that the Danish king has had a...
He has been in a position to give up this,
without being defeated.
But now he comes with his own fleet,
and he comes to do what he has not
received from Erling Skacke,
to get the Lord to judge the ship,
in any case, perhaps all over Norway.
Yes, the goal now is to be taken to the king,
in that respect.
He will be recognized as the king,
so he will come into Oslo Fjord,
to travel in here,
and then he will meet,
not the exact opposite of what he would like.
No.
In the following years,
Waldemar will cast a stone at speed,
from the country,
when the fleet passes by.
Yes, and here we have to stop him.
You know what's happening now?
You know that Waldemar attacks,
you know that a large Danish fleet,
travels into the bay,
and we know that he is not able to calm down the bay.
We know that,
because the bay is not going to be Danish this time,
or Waldemar snores.
But the reason for him not being successful
with his Danish food,
there are two very different versions,
and it is very difficult to tell the story,
without telling both.
So you have to give us two versions, Ola Albert.
Yes, because,
what I have told you now,
is about the saga version,
the one I have written down in Icelandic saga,
which has a Norwegian perspective on the story,
and has to take the Norwegian king's side.
And in this version, they say that,
Waldemar comes,
Waldemar meets a really cold shoulder,
and that Waldemar understands,
because he is a pretty smart guy,
he understands that if I am going to win here,
I will use a lot more power and violence,
than what I am actually interested in.
Because the diplomacy and all this,
that Waldemar wanted to be recognized as king,
but what he understands when he comes,
is that if I am going to be king,
I will be a robber in Norway.
And he could have tried that,
but he is not interested in that.
So he has thought that the Danish food
is so big and strong,
that if I first come and show him the song,
and then someone will start,
at least the weekend.
Because he thinks that it is not worth fighting,
you are the strongest of the book of Brussels,
and Björnan here,
but as far as I am concerned,
he gets in the city from Rassadebønder,
which is located in Hivestein,
on Svabergård, when he drives past.
What does this god actually say,
to drive home?
It is the Norwegian version,
that we can say a little bit about.
But there is also a Danish guy,
and when you say that we know that
Waldemar has come to the weekend,
and we know that Waldemar has left home,
then that is because we have put in two completely useless guys.
So we have it in several different songs,
that are built on each other,
that are written by Saxo,
that we have talked a little about before.
And Saxo also tells that Waldemar
comes to Oslofjorden,
he says that he comes to Borg,
where Ellinga has been to hold things,
where he is taken to the king,
and Saxo says exactly this opposite,
he says that Waldemar is met
with stoned applause.
They actually stand with Norwegian flags,
and have such a gillander,
when he comes and sings,
and we love each other, they can sing.
And he is so popular that it is
like that in the king,
and he also says that Ellinga runs away,
because he doesn't dare to meet
the big Danish flag.
And he also says that the reason
that Waldemar gives himself,
is that he meets the resistance in Tönsberg,
where there are some Ellinga men
who make a mistake on the spot,
and where Waldemar understands
that he has to burn out if he has to win.
So the reason, because Saxo
is also the reason that Waldemar gives himself,
is that he, in a way,
will be connected with his personality,
humanity and religion.
And then Saxo says again,
that in another way,
is that Saxo also says that
Waldemar invades once again,
and tries again in Norway,
and it doesn't work out then either.
And the question is, if it has happened
twice, we don't know at all,
maybe Snorri is editing the version,
the most important point is that there are two versions here.
One is that Waldemar is very popular,
and the other version is also very important,
because Waldemar is not popular at all.
So you have the right to do more,
a situation where
the story about
what is happening,
it is 100% accurate
who is writing it.
And this is not written today,
this is not a 1800s historian
who tries to make
a big Danish, a big Norwegian,
to find out who is going to happen in 1814.
This is then
100% accurate, 100% accurate,
who is writing the version,
to find out who is going to happen in Norway.
Isn't that correct?
Yes, I think so.
And I get an impression that
this area around Oslo is the most striking
for me in the story.
A little like Kashmir,
or Donetsk,
or something like that.
An area where two different parts
put together,
and both parts make me
think the same way.
So both of them
have to represent this story
so that they have
people or the popularity
on their side.
The Norwegian Kashmir
in this case
the Viking
has become
Norwegian.
No matter if it is because
the Danish King Waldemar
met so seriously
that he decided to not
burn the church in Tönsberg
and rather to go home.
Regardless of what you believe
in Saxo or Snorre,
Waldemar is
back in Denmark.
He has failed
with diplomacy
or trying to get into the ring
with the thugs.
Erling Skakke has broken up
and not given the Viking,
and he has also failed
and then we should believe
that Erling Skakke is safe in Norway now
but that is
right and wrong.
Because Waldemar the Great
he is so powerful
that if not Erling
finds a solution to his
Danish problem, he will never
be able to solve
his Norwegian problems.
[music]
In Fladland
there is a research
in Denmark
with the Danish faith
where there is one person
and maybe the person
who is powerful
than Erling Skakke himself.
It is the Swiss children
to King Waldemar the Great of Denmark.
It is the mother
to the Norwegian King Magnus.
It is the daughter
to the super-famous
Sigur Jorsalfar
and the king to Erling Skakke.
There is
Kristine, the princess
of Norway.
And she has found a third way
and what is that?
Yes, because Kristine
travels to Denmark
in order to negotiate.
That
will be a solution.
We can hear that Kristine travels
and that she is
with Waldemar, with the king
in a year.
And that she tries
to find solutions
with King Waldemar.
So we see again
that Kristine, who is
concerned with Denmark
at the starting point
and who has lifted Erling Skakke
up, gave him the opportunity
to crown the king.
He gave him
the authority of the status
that he rules.
That she is the one who gives him
the necessary
political tools
to carry out the political project.
And that makes this a start
for the negotiations with Waldemar.
And because I see that you may be
more powerful than Erling
in the 20th and 20th centuries of feminism
or in the first years of feminism
but there is also something in it
because what we see in the saga
which is mainly about
Kristine diving up
on the entire central
point of view
is that she,
who is sitting again
when no one is crying
has been killed
and who is then
covering up and taking care of
the king, to spy
and find out
where he is now planning
to crown Erling Skakke.
It is the house that is invited
to Bergen and makes sure
that they come together
to set up a strategy for what is going on.
If we speak further back in time
it is the house that is connecting
Gregorius Dagsson and Erling Skakke
when they have left their country
and so they become alliance partners
and then it happens that she chooses
to leave Ausland and go to Bergen
and it is a small trip
that you can think of
when you read the first episode
you will think, why is Kristine
so many times in a story
that primers a man-child
it is because she is more powerful
than the child, how is
the link up in football
the one that connects things together.
And then the story tellers
are men and they tell
a very patriarchal, man-dominated story
that when they lay on a woman
as they do with Kristine
it is because they cannot be.
Exactly. We thought
Snorri did not think
about having a woman-chic and so on.
I can promise you that he did not think
or maybe he did, but maybe Snorri
but not as many others.
But the point is that
she moves forward because she is important
because she cannot
her importance cannot be underestimated.
And we see that here too.
But we will try to open up
the question that we were a little
in the midst of. Why?
How is the peace change?
Now Erling sees that Waldemar
has pushed himself back.
We have a little different versions of that.
In one of the stories we have
Fager Skinner says that
Waldemar now puts on a kind of
trade blockade that should
be introduced to Norway from Denmark.
That can be a real problem
because Norway is also at that time
that Erling understands
that the Bergensen
will do operations if there is no
open trade. It can also be that
Erling understands that he is a politician
of a rather different caliber
than most others we have met.
Then he understands that if there should be
some truth, if there should be
some meaning in
the peace I try to create here
then I cannot have the
that these operators can always
go to Denmark and get support.
I have to cover that hole.
When you say that
Christen is a year before
something actually happens, we hope
in Denmark is enough for this one reason.
How to read the game, how to read
what is happening, how to work with
your partner, it is important that you
talk to him and do him the opposite.
And then at a point of time you call
yourself Erling and say that now you can
come and Erling comes in
to King Waldemar.
And that is a kind of scene in itself.
So here is Waldemar and you remember
that Waldemar himself was
defeated in Norway, so Waldemar
is the strong partner here.
It is no doubt that King Waldemar
the great Denmark is a powerful
actor on the European stage
than Erling Skarke
in Norway.
So Erling, when he gets
to see how he is doing, he comes
to Denmark. He is in July, he has
with his top people, his 11
most important
employees, they are dressed
in brown, they have to take care of themselves.
And that means a little that they are not
so safe in this situation.
They have to take care of themselves, and
over there they have hats and hats.
And they go to the country, and they go
to the king.
And he has to dress in a way
that shows his face, they have to take care
of themselves, they have to take care of
themselves a little. And then Erling says
"Here I can get grease.
I can get peace, I can get a
peace, because you don't want to fight me."
And Waldemar, he looks
like he is right in front of him and says
"Is that you Erling?" "Is that you who
has come?" "Yes, because I
am the one who has come, Erling."
And then he says, "Waldemar
you will get
grease, because I don't do
anything to anyone who comes
to me," says Waldemar.
And here we have to read
very, very long, because
in the setting
of someone who comes to me,
it is more than that someone has called
on the door and they receive a message.
It means that
Erling has come
to give grease to
Waldemar, that he has
put himself in. He already has
with income, I, 1/2.
"You can give me grease, you are
more powerful than me." And
in order for him to be able to do that
without being held down by the door,
because he has the respect that
he has a lot of money with
both of his soldiers without paying for it,
then he has the value
and better work of his siblings.
In one year, to make sure
that if you come now, Erling,
it will go well. But it is not fair
then, because then, Erling begins
to talk to Waldemar, and they also
talk to him monthly.
I see that before they come
to a solution out of
"I don't want to kill Erling," because
they have a fundamental conflict.
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"Because right now he is Waldemars æreopretolt."
"He has, in a way, to kill Erling Jal."
"Erling controls the wall."
"And I hear that."
"And is it really the end of this relationship?"
"I don't know more about this now."
"It's not like Erling has to inform him,"
"to deliver any damage or anything."
"But I don't know more about it."
No, and what Erling does now is a
completely true, important turning point
in the Civil War in Norway.
And we can't underestimate that enough.
What this does is that
the first thing Erling Kacke's regime
can't find support in Denmark.
That's point number one.
And the second thing it does
is that Denmark will be
behind Magnus Erlingsson
and Magnus Erlingsons
after coming into the war
in the Norwegian throne.
And that's a huge resource to have on his side.
He has succeeded,
but in Denmark
he missed something else.
Something he never gets back.
And that's the most important thing.
The ambassador and diplomat
and support player Erling
has had until now.
Because Kristine
comes to Erling Kacke,
she doesn't turn back
to Norway.
She turns towards a completely different
place, Ul-Albert.
Where is she now?
She's just turning back
and the history of that
is one of the most exotic
things we have
from the Norwegian kings.
She travels to Constantinople
together with her lover.
Grimm Russel?
Grimm Russel?
She travels to Constantinople,
but to understand that
we have to ask her back.
Yes, because this is
what the saga gives,
that Kristine takes her lover, Grimm Russel,
for the youth,
out of the saga.
And it's a little incomprehensible
from the fact that she has just
made this effort to make
Erling Kacke, and that she is the mother
of the king of Norway.
It gives some meaning, but it gives meaning
if we dig deeper into this.
Yes, because then we have to go
to some central points in the story.
And the most important point
we have to go to,
that's Snorros in the saga a little before.
Because we have heard that
he has joined the sun since the beginning,
so he was really good at taking lives
of other kings.
They died with an awful city away.
If they were on a team with Erling,
or it wasn't that important, he was just looking
for that there weren't more possible
candidates for throne than
his own son. And so it turned out
that there has been
another candidate, the throne,
who is very close to the gender
for whom it was.
Yes, that's a guy called Harald.
And Harald, he is
the son of, of course,
Sigurmund.
Sigurmund is the king of the tenor,
which we followed while he was
traveling around, in the building
of the Woltuk Tensdjänter
on the way around and around.
He has taken care of everyone in Norway.
He has a lot, a lot, a lot of children.
And that's how it should be.
But Sigurmund has a son named Harald.
But Snorros also says that
the mother of the king,
is the king's son.
The point is often that they are
the sons of a king. But we have to
know who the mother of Harald is.
And the mother of Harald is
the king of the tenor.
Of course.
And that's quite shocking.
Because what you have to see
for today is that the Christian
who is married to Erling Skacke,
she has children and
has children with the king
who Erling Skacke hates.
So it's like that.
This son
is both the son of the king
and the princess.
You can't get blue or blue.
This has to be an outstanding candidate
for the Norwegian faith.
And what Erling Skacke does,
is that he gets this Harald.
And the one who goes in the shape
of Harald.
When Erling Skacke decides to get his wife.
It's not Christian, it's Magnus himself.
It's the king, Magnus
Erlingsson of Norway.
Son to Christian and Erling.
He likes to pray for his father
to save his brother.
To save his brother's life.
I have to believe that it's because
he has spoken to his mother.
And that his mother says,
"You can't do that.
You can't go to your father
and pray that he saves my son."
Magnus likes it.
And Erling says something to his son.
To Magnus, who is so incredible
He says that, "A little advice
gives your friends,
but you won't come any longer
to rule your kingdom in peace
if you always want to follow your good heart."
Erling Skacke.
And that's what Erling's policy is.
That you have to be fearless
to be able to win.
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And to listen to the heart
that was
Erling Skacke's philosophy.
It can be a very important thing
and at least not a philosophy of control.
To follow your son
you can see that
there is an emphasis
on the real nature.
But it also means that
Erling and Kristian
are not the warmest
love nature in Norwegian history.
Yes, because
for the first time
Erling, as you say,
lost his child
after his wife.
But Kristian has
opened up to at least one child
for Erling
because Erling has many
childhood dreams.
Yes, he has in the following
years, all this came
I think it's interesting, all that we're talking about now
came in a dump on one side
in Heimskringle, the king of snores,
so this is all part of the settlement.
We get whole life history and family history
in the settlement.
And therefore, Erling has four
children with three brothers.
And this, we must remember, is the man
who has insisted that his son
be the king because he is born
in real nature.
And that this is so holy,
everything is so christly.
But he has three children,
and they both have four children
with three different loves.
His wife has one son
from before the real nature of Erling
and with, so to speak,
the son-in-law.
And she gets children with Grim Rushle on it.
Yes, that's right.
So it's pretty incredible that
the whole separate life of the son-in-law
they have their own children,
their own love for each other,
and the christian can finally
travel from here.
And then we must remember that
real nature at that time is not based on love,
it's an economic transaction,
it's a political statement.
So we can't really expect
love at all, but here it's
completely insane.
And it's fantastic that the christian
still has his days, not in Norway,
but in Istanbul.
So how has Istanbul been threatened?
She has abandoned Erling.
Erling has lost his important diplomat.
He has lost one of his alliance partners.
Maybe he saw a advisor.
Maybe that's what they have been for each other
very clearly, that it has been
a lot of christian's role.
He has got the end of the deal with the
Danish king, he has got to calm
the selfish front, and he is
then put in a safe place
as Erling makes Norway's most powerful man.
But it's not at all safe.
Because Norway has lost
some of the trends that were
wanted to take into account, including
the devil, the Danish king, if they
just left Erling's house.
And it's not just the trends that
have something against the new regime.
Because there hasn't been peace in Norway
while Erling has seen the situation
in Denmark, have you heard of that?
No, it hasn't, but the Europe that
is happening now is a little different
than what we have talked about so far.
And what we have often talked about is
parties that are ruled by kings.
So there are several kings.
Øyster, Inge, Sigur,
who rule over time, who
conquer with each other, and who have
their heroes, their followers around them.
But when we move into Erling's
chess time, and he has
a great time as a knight in Norway,
he will face him in a different way.
Because what we hear about
are the attacks that start
within the eastern countries, and
there are some kind of "Röverbander".
And they have a kingdom,
they have a country where they say
"Kongenvård" and then you get
a little unsure if this is really
just to give this "Röverbandener"
kind of legitimacy, is it
a sort of "Mattisfyr" that they have
seen as leaders here?
Or is this actually a real
kingdom, a real kingdom?
Is it now that I have finally
finished 13 episodes,
and several episodes of the episode
to talk about the class?
Because what has happened in Norway
is that Erling on the one hand
has gathered what we call "Lendmen"
in greater and greater degree, and they
have to gather in greater and greater degree
in a kind of party or a group
that is not so divided, without the
trundans, that has become the only one.
But at the same time,
there has been a whole background
of people in Norway growing.
Growing, and growing, and growing, and that
means that "Gårar" has been divided
and that you have got some type of "Gårar"
in Iceland, that is
very little "Rige".
And you can say that in the name
because they are called "Stumperugumpen"
and "Humperu" and "Dumpa"
and "Stubru" and that kind of thing.
They are, and this is what I am
approaching now, but with a language
that I say "vet" with what time they are
divided, and if you call it "Rud"
then it is divided in this period in
Iceland, and the small ones that have
the "Gårar" are not "Stubenar", not "Lendmen",
the small ones are "Renner Fattigare".
And what we see now is that
while the "Kongsemne" was
plucked up by a "Lendmansgruppeering"
"Viken", "Vestland" and "Tröntlag"
that now they are traveling
to "Flocka"
with the "Kongsemne"
as you can see here,
in an attempt that does not
necessarily have a "Lendman",
maybe it is just one leader.
And there is, on the whole way,
that there has been a word of "Ujevar"
that was "Uflax", that it was not
possible to say anything about it.
There is a little bit of a name for it.
The word "Uflax", you know.
And there has been other movements,
but now there has been a "Flock"
in the inside of the "Oppland"
that on the one hand is so
"Fattige" that they have to
suck the "Björk"
because they have no clothes,
and on the other hand they have found
a "Kongsemne"
that is so "Pene"
that it is called by the young man.
How is it with her now, Ola Albert?
Yes, now we have to meet
a completely special "Flock",
a completely special gang
that we will be well known with
in the next episode of "Strid".
But because of the "Björka" they have around the legs,
they get called for.
The "Björke" legs.
Now they are here, they are a little "Rufse"
to gang with "Röver" and "Grille" soldiers
inside the "Inland"
in Norway, "Oppland" and "Inröstland".
And they have also created a "Kongsem"
that you say, he calls them
for "Öystein" "Møyla".
And "Møyla" that means
you come from "Møy" which is the same as "Jomfru".
And he has this name
"Møyla" because he looks like
a young girl, because I do not know
where the old man is, or rather young, we have met many
such small "Konger" that are not so old.
So he can be one of them.
But he is also written as "Smäcker"
with a pale little face.
Not a big man, but beautiful.
Probably not a son of Sigermund,
but the brother of Sigermund
who also named "Öystein".
And this gang here with Birkebeinare
who then becomes
"Mobba" for his "Fattigstighed".
They are able to gather
such a big force, that they
in a way drive "Ärling"
out of "Fustav" "Oppland" and "Inland"
in areas around Mjösa.
They are able to drive him out of the "Viken".
And they are able to drive this
all the way down to
Tönsberg, one of the most important
cities and the most important city
in the whole area here.
So they are on the one side
a "Fattigstighed" gang
on the other side in order
to win a fight, after a fight
against "Ärling".
And this is the problem with "Ärling",
that there are such force-fighters
that can dance in the country
and grow stronger.
They can plunder, they can run
and maybe get some shit.
And at the starting point
are these "Birkeberner"
a "Viken" group
a "Viken" gang that "Ärling"
had to cut their heads off,
that he had done half a time before.
But they are able to get down
to Tönsberg and they are on a "Går"
out of Tönsberg
and they are in a situation
where "Ärling" is in trouble.
But with one of the biggest
most well-known fights,
a well-known fighting place
where "Ärling"'s
closest military
helps "Duckup".
Because on "Re"
where "Birkeberner" is gathered,
where they have their flock
and their herd in the "Går"
"Ärling" will get "Datweider"
in the "Horizon".
And he is called "Arm Kongsborg".
He is not a brother
to Magnus Eringsson,
but to Inge Krokrik.
Yes, he was half-brother to Inge Krokrik.
Inge in the "Rangvalstattar".
This is a fantastic woman
we talked about in the first season.
She has connections all around the world.
She has sent in her overall.
And "Arm Kongsborg" is one of those sent in to Inge.
And as you say,
"Ärlingskakis" and Magnus in "Datweider"
are the ones who come
and beat them down
when they are needed.
Every time it is on the darkest
"Duckup" and he "Duckup" here on "Re"
and what he does is
you have to look forward to
"Ebren Gård" in "Tönsberg".
It is winter and snow,
snow is soft and light,
snow that is heavy to walk in,
but that you sink into.
It is a meter high.
On this "Gård"
a "Kobirkeberg" is collected
in a hundred ways.
On the "Kobirkeberg" they need to
have a tent outside
and lie in the "Gård" and such.
Then it goes one way up.
On the "Dötsdjärna"
with the "Härensinn"
he is standing on the opposite way
while the "Kobirkeberg" is sleeping.
He has a lot less strength than them.
But he does something weird.
He gives his people
to climb along the way.
Then he lets it be again on the other side of the way
big snowmobiles
and then he climbs flat
corridors on the other side of the way.
So he is standing on the "Härensinn"
so he blocks the way,
and when the passage is made
on the other side of the way
the "Birkebeinerne" comes out
and sees that
the "Omkongsbror" are there
but they see that they have more strength
and think with the "Tarren"
and they go to attack.
The problem is that
to attack they have to go
one and one on this way.
Because it is not an "E6"
it is a "Kjärrevein"
It is a "Kjärreveinstir"
So they attack
and the "Omkongsbror"
blocks the way one and one.
And then they are on a long, long line
along this way.
But what the "Omkongsbror" does
is that when they attack his "Här"
he sends his people down
along the corridors.
He has been picked up on the side
so he has to turn
the corridors of the "Birkebeinerne".
But his people do not stand in the snow.
And the "Birkebeinerne" has to go out
without the loose snow.
And that is the loose snow that we just hold.
And in that way
the "Omkongsbror"
with a bit of strength together with the "Birkebeinerne"
he is able to crush them, create a chaos
and get them out of the way.
And after that he has also killed "Öysteinmøller".
So "Öysteinmøller"
that girl boy, he dies here.
And the "Öys" and "Birkebeinerne"
are crushed, they break away
they break into in Sweden.
But I would like to tell
a story about the "Birkebeinerne" here
after this fight.
Yes, because the "Birkebeinerne"
who have not been able to die
or have stuck up,
they are there to have a real wound.
And inside the house
in the corner
where "Öysteinmøller"
is on the loose snow
there is a man again
who is not in the work.
Yes, because they have put "Öystein" on the loose snow
but inside this house
there is the man, Magnus Eilingsson
who has started to be a tenor
and has been on this fight.
He has had a lot of advantages.
It is the first time he is without a father.
The reason I am here is that
Eilingsson with a big heart
is a completely different country.
But when you are sitting here,
"Feyre Seijern" sees
"Öysteinmøller"
the girl boy I have killed
and inside the corner
there is a guy with a hat
and there is the man
because this is a "Birkebeiner"
and he is sitting in the corner
and when he sees
his dead man
he travels up and runs away
and attacks
after "Årm Kongsbror"
and attacks after "Darthveder"
and throws his sword at him
and "Årm" manages to throw himself down
because he is lying on a bench
and has to lift his legs up
to not be hit by the "Birkebeiner"
but when he comes down
and the people in the room
who assume that he is a fine guy
they fill this "Birkebeiner"
with pills, jewelry and sword
he does not fall
because there are so many jewelry and swords
that he is standing upright
and then they assume
that this guy, the "Birkebeiner"
who carried himself over the floor
he had his organs hanging out of his stomach
all the time
so it is a little bit of a fight
that does not give up
people who fight until the very end
but now they are crushed
now they have been destroyed
from Tönsberg to Sweden
to inland
because they can get home in the woods again
but he who has slipped himself over the floor
with his organs hanging out
in order to lift his dead body
he gives us a preview
of what these "Birkebeiner" are standing
because inside the woods
deep inside in Sweden
then this "Birkebeiner"
will be combined with
a leader, a little
short, a little underestimated
"Prest"
from the "Birkebeiner"
who will put much more pride
in the Norwegian history
than what Erling Skacke has been able to do
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Introduction to the podcast "Strid" on the Norwegian border wars featuring Aslak Siramire and Ole Albert Rönning Nobi.
Discussion on Erling Skacke, Magnus Erlingson, and the power dynamics in Norway in 116
Erling Skacke's dealings with the church, Archbishop of Nidaros, and the Danish king Waldemar.
Erling Skacke's strategic alliances, promises, and conflicts with the Danish king Waldemar.
Waldemar's aggressive foreign policy, diplomatic maneuvers, and invasion of Norway.
Summary:
The podcast episode delves into the power struggles in Norway in 1164, focusing on Erling Skacke's rise to power and strategic alliances. Erling ensures his son Magnus Erlingson becomes the crown prince through complex promises and dealings with the church and the Danish king Waldemar. Waldemar's aggressive foreign policy leads to a conflict with Erling, culminating in a large Danish fleet sailing towards Oslo Fjord.
The narrative highlights the intricate political landscape of the time, with alliances, betrayals, and power dynamics shaping the future of Norway. The episode provides insights into the historical events and key figures that influenced the course of Norwegian history during this period.
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Magnus Erlingson was the first king in Norwegian history to crown himself as a prince, breaking traditional rules for Norwegian kingship.
Erling Skacke gained power and legitimacy by forming alliances, making promises to key figures, and leveraging the support of the Church.
The Church played a significant role in legitimizing kingship, controlling the crown, and gaining power through alliances and agreements with rulers.
A conflict arose between Erling Skacke and Danish king Waldemar when Erling promised the Viking area to Waldemar in exchange for military support, leading to tensions and power struggles.
The Danish king Waldemar attempted to assert power in Norway by sending a large fleet to Oslo Fjord to establish his authority and claim recognition as the king of Norway.
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