Stop Using Industry Standards If You Want to Win | Ep 948
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The speaker, OptionalMozzy, argues that conventional industry standards and averages are detrimental to real growth and success. He recounts a conversation with a large company where leaders repeatedly claimed to follow "industry standards," revealing a deep-rooted mindset of complacency. He challenges this notion by asserting that being average is not a benchmark for success—most average businesses fail financially, and average people face significant personal struggles. Instead, true excellence comes from setting and maintaining high personal standards. He emphasizes that success is not about being "normal" but about holding the line against natural tendencies toward equilibrium and mediocrity. Drawing on examples like Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs, he illustrates how groundbreaking achievements stem from relentless ambition and the refusal to accept limits. He explains that when faced with obstacles, one must ask not whether something is possible, but what physical or logical laws prevent it. This mindset leads to creative, aggressive problem-solving—such as hiring faster, increasing prices, or scaling operations with minimal risk. He underscores that real success requires unreasonable conviction, continuous effort, and a willingness to bear costs that others avoid. The core principle is simple: if you want to win, you must define your own standards and refuse to settle for what others consider acceptable. This mindset fosters innovation, drives superior performance, and ultimately results in outsized achievements—like breaking records in book sales or outperforming industry norms. The world pressures people to conform, but true distinctiveness requires constant work. The entrepreneur’s role is not to follow the crowd, but to be the standard setter, proving that more is possible than anyone thought.
I want to show you how I became number one in different fields, industries, and even
broker-world record, and how you can apply the same process to winning or getting whatever
it is that you want.
My name's OptionalMozzy.
I'm a portfolio of companies at Acquisition.com that join us $250 million per year in aggregate
revenue.
I did a book launch about 12 weeks ago that did $106 million in a weekend and broke the
Guinness World Record for the fastest-selling nonfiction book of all time, and so there's
my kind of proof behind that.
So in this video, I'm going to explain a core shift in my understanding of getting what
I wanted and specifically in business.
So I talk to business owners for a living every single day, like literally every week
and a half for, you know, a decade plus.
And one of the things that drives me absolutely nuts is the idea of industry standards.
So you've probably heard this, people are like, "Oh, this is industry standard.
That's industry standard, and I'll tell you a real conversation that might shift this
for you."
So there was a company that I recently met with as about a $500 million dollar company.
So I have a $1 billion dollar company, right?
And you know, they were efficient, but it was an old school model.
And so a big money business.
So I met with the chiefs of that business, and I met with the leaders, right?
And the entrepreneur who runs the business wanted me to look at certain components of
how they do things in terms of acquisition and things like that.
And when I walked them through their acquisition process, I was like, "Hey, these are some things
that need to change."
And there was a lady who was there who was in charge or probably maybe half of it.
And as I would point out things that were bad or needed improvement, she kept repeating
the same thing, which is like, "Well, we're industry standard."
And she'd be like, "We're meeting industry standards, and you get really kind of flustered."
And she'd kind of, "I would say maybe you would agree, got offended."
Because I was saying, "Well, the sucks and the sucks and these numbers aren't good."
And they kept repeating, "We're meeting industry standards."
And so I paused and I was like, "Do you wake up in the morning and just say, 'I want to be
an average company.'"
Right?
"We are average.
Half the people are better than us and half are worse.
We are average."
Who gives a shit?
Right?
I don't know about you, but like, I didn't get in the game, whatever game you're playing,
to be average.
Like, the average business is average.
The average American is overweight, they're in debt, they're divorced, they're depressed.
And so the average business makes almost no money.
Why would I use industry standards, industry averages, anything like that at all?
And I say this because I have people who will push back on some of the things that I talk
about with regards to margin, when I think things I talk about in terms of timeline, when
I talk in terms of pricing, right?
And they'll say something like, "Well, in HVAC, it's different."
Or, you know, in SEO, it's a little bit different.
Or, you know, we've got X, Y, Z issue, and trucking, and it's different.
It's logistics.
It's different.
No, it's not.
You get what you tolerate.
You get what you accept and deem good enough.
You are the standard setter.
It is the highest and most important job in the company and it is why some companies prevail
and some companies fail.
It's the reason that jobs were so important for Apple, Elon was so important for Tesla,
and XAI, and all the other things that he does.
And like, at a certain point, you cannot actually do anything in the company except for
hold the fucking line.
And the person who should run every department or every division should be the person with
the highest standards.
Right?
This applies to everything, right?
Sales rates, closing percentages, profit margins, cash flow, the people you date, the body
that percentage you hold, how fast you expect something to get done, literally everything.
So, let me tell you a story about a billion or a minute to our mind, again, I had a conversation
many years ago.
And he said this thing to me that I'll never forget.
He said, "Profit is unnatural."
And I was like, "What does he really mean by that?"
He said, "It's common and normal for people when money is in a bank account to spend it."
And that's why most people don't have money.
He said, "So, if you have a company, and it makes money, and it actually starts to succeed,
that success has this constant pressure of normalcy that fights against it."
And so, there has to be someone who holds the line, and is like, "No, we will not spend
more, but we will keep making more.
We will get more customers, and we will not hire more people.
We will find a way to service these customers better than we did our last customers without
adding headcount.
And we're going to do it even better, even faster, with less."
Let me tell you another example of something that just happened in one of our portfolio
companies.
So, they needed to add 15 sales reps to hit their Q1 goals.
And so, the leader was saying how his plan was to hire 5 reps a month, every single month.
And doing it this way, he said, "Stretch the team, but it would still ensure quality,
make sure the culture wasn't too stressed, etc."
And honestly, it was a fair plan, right?
But for this business, the extra sales guys were going to add about 4 million in profit
that quarter.
That's how much extra it was going to add.
Just that quarter.
So, I pushed back and I said, "Why can't we do it in a month?"
He had a lot of different reasons, and he kept hitting it, you know, like it'll be cultural
as well.
I think we'll stretch the team.
We might lose other sales in other places.
And I kept pushing and pushing, but he had some reasons to come back.
And thankfully, he's a stud.
And then after the meeting, he missed it and he back and said, "Two of our guys have been
with who are more senior.
They can assist the new manager and on board three to five guys each.
If we do that, we can actually do it in a month."
And boom, 4 million dollars more potential next year in Q1 because of one thing, a higher
standard.
Just saying, like, why does it need to take that long?
Why can't we, like if we were doing a billion in sales in this business, we probably wouldn't
say we need to hire five guys a month.
No way, right?
We'd be like, we need to start with 50 and maybe add 50 every other week, right?
It's just this minimum standard of something that you decide is enough or acceptable.
And the crazy part about it is, like, we're the ones who decide this and then we're upset
that we don't get or that we're upset that we got the fruit of our very low standards.
And so the way that you can kind of know kind of what your standards are, the what the
standard of somebody else on your team is, is how many attack vectors you use to approach
or solve a problem, right?
So it's not about doing the same thing a hundred times.
That's not smart, right?
It's about trying to accomplish the same goal with a hundred different iterations and angles
until one finally gets through, till you pass the goalie, till you, till you chop down
the tree, right?
It's like, well, I'm hidden this way and I'm getting rock.
It's like, okay, well then let's try from another angle, let's try underneath.
Let's see if we can poison the tree, like whatever we need to do, like, can we reach out
to our network and give a hundred thousand or bounty for another SDR?
Is there a company with the largest year of team that doesn't make as much as us so we
can buy?
Can we, can we hire five recruiters to speed up the process?
Can we fly all of the SDR as in person to get them trained up faster so we don't lose
cultural issues and we can get them on ramped in three days rather than in 30 days, right?
Can the top two, you know, most experienced guys who have some blank space have them sub-in,
bingo, right?
All of these have costs, obviously, but of the costs, they're still worth it.
So you're not getting what you want because you're not attacking the problems you have
enough times and enough ways.
So you're trying one or two things and then saying, like, I tried that and it didn't work.
I tried Facebook ads, you know, I tried making content, I tried hiring a salesman and
it didn't work.
It's like, no, it's not that it didn't work.
It's that you weren't skilled enough to make it work.
Very big difference.
And so you're going to tell me that no one on earth has ever had the same problem that
you have right now and of those many people on earth without it, no one solved it.
You have somehow come across the Gordian knot of problems.
No one has hired more than five SDRs in this period of time for a company of the size.
Of course they have.
And that's why those people won and they just just accept that it wasn't possible within
this timeline.
And so the rules that I would encourage you to live by is that unless the laws of physics
prevent it, consider it mental handicaps that your competition gets to live by and measure
themselves by.
And to be clear, not a suggestion, a recommendation, and certainly not a fucking law, right?
Your standards are a handicap that you like your competitors use and think they're doing
well.
That is the gift that we get as soon as you get out of this belief.
Because if you want to be average, use industry averages.
And most industry average businesses suck, right?
Why would we look at them to judge ourselves by like, oh, this guy's completely broken
distracted as no idea what he's doing.
I should look at what his numbers are and say, oh, we're about the same.
Is that an accomplishment?
Should we be looking forward to something like that happen?
Like if you want to be the best, use physics and math and then work backwards, ambitious
owners will push back trying to sell their own handicap.
So what I mean, it's like, why are you trying to convince me that you can't close at a higher
rate?
Why are you trying to convince me that you can't raise your prices?
Why are you trying to convince me that you can't hire more, you know, HVAC tax?
No, no, no.
The issue is not that you can't.
It's just that it's difficult.
And if it's a difficult problem, guess what that means?
It's an opportunity that your competitors will probably shrivel away from because they
will try two things and then say it doesn't work when the people who win just try so many
more times and so many more ways to hold the fucking line and say, these are our standards.
We will find a way or we will make a way.
So this is what Jeff Bezos had in one of his share letters.
I thought it was really good.
Differentiation is survival and the universe wants you to be typical.
This is my last indoor showholder, letter as CEO of Amazon.
And I have one last thing of utmost importance I feel compelled to teach.
I hope all Amazonians take it to heart.
So here's a passage from Richard Dawkins' extraordinary book, The Blind Watchmaker.
It's about the basic factor biology.
Staving off death is a thing that you have to work at.
Left to itself and that is what it is when it dies.
The body tends to revert to the state of equilibrium within its environment.
If you measure some quantities such as temperature, the acidity, the water content or the electrical
potential in the living body, you'll typically find that it's markedly different from the
corresponding measure in the surroundings.
Our bodies for instance are usually hotter than the surroundings and in cold climates they
We have to wait.
hard to maintain that differential. When we die, the work stops. The temperature
differential starts to dissipate and we end up the same temperature as our
surroundings. Not all animals work so hard to avoid coming into equilibrium with
their surrounding temperature, but all animals do some comparable work. For
instance, in a dry country, animals and plants work to maintain the fluid
content of their cells work against a natural tendency for water to flow from
them into the dry outside world. If they fail, they die. More generally, if living
things didn't work actively to prevent it, they would eventually merge into
their surroundings and cease to exist as autonomous beings. This is what
happens when they die. So this is basis. While the passage is not intended as a
metaphor, it's nevertheless a fantastic one and very relevant to Amazon. I would
argue it's relevant to all companies and institutions into each of our individual
lives too. In what ways does the world pull at you in a attempt to make you
normal? How much work does it take to maintain your distinctiveness? To keep
alive the thing or things that make you special? I know a happily married couple
who have a running joke in a relationship. Not infrequently, the husband looks at
his wife with photos, stress, and says, "Durr, can't you just be normal?" They both
smile and laugh and of course the deep truth is that her distinctiveness is
something that he loves about her. But at the same time, it's also true that
things would be often easier, take less energy if they were a little more
normal, right? This phenomenon happens at scale at all levels.
Democracies are not normal. Tyranny is this historical norm. If we stop doing all
of the continuous work that is needed to maintain our distinctiveness in that
regard, we would quickly come into equilibrium with tyranny. We all know that
distinctiveness, originality, is valuable. We're all taught to be yourself. What I'm
really asking you to do, but what I'm really asking you to Jesus, what I'm really
asking you to do, is to embrace and be realistic about how much energy it takes to
maintain that distinctiveness. The world wants you to be typical in a thousand
ways it pulls at you. Don't let it happen. You have to pay a price for your
distinctiveness and it's worth it. The fairytale version of be yourself is that
all your pain stops as soon as you allow distinctiveness to shine. That
version is misleading. Being yourself is worth it, but don't expect to be
easy or free. You'll have to put energy into it continuously. The world will
always try to make Amazon more typical, to bring us into equilibrium with our
environment. It will take continuous effort, but we can and we must be better
than that. You have to hold the fucking line. Like this is the last letter that
Jeff Bezos wrote. And can you think about like all the things that he wanted to
say, the thing that he chose to leave on was the line. Was this is the standard?
This is what makes us different. And of course it's going to take work. Of
course it's going to take more ways to solve the problem. It might cost millions
more in order to do the better solution than the easy solution. But like I, if I
could just transfer this one thing, like you can tell how good someone will be
as an entrepreneur by the standards they keep for themselves. They continue to
push back and say like, why can't it be faster? Why can't it be easier? And there's
famous, you know, stories of, you know, Steve Jobs putting the phone book on the
desk and saying it has to fit in there. And his people was like, it's never been
done before, right? And you've got Elon Musk going on, you know, on the manufacturing
line saying this could have two bolts. And like there's no way no one's done it
before. He's like, why break it down to physics? Why can't we do this? Right? And so
when someone pushes back on you and says like, you know, we can't hire that
fast. It's like, why? What physical law is preventing us from hiring that fast?
If another company whose 20 times the size can hire 100 people a day, why is it
taking us a year to do it? Right? What choice are we choosing or what cost are
we not choosing to bear that we could bear to make the investor to pull up
future forward? And I think it's like that push, that relentless energy, the
drive to choose to be different, right? To choose to hold a value, the perfect
value that you have as the ideal and then strive continuously and though
imperfectly to try and live that out. And I think of that as like the reason you
win or you don't win. And again, I'm not talking table stakes. If you want to be
average, then just look at industry averages, right? Look at industry norms,
industry standards. But most businesses, if you looked at the the average
business in the US, they break even the meeting business owners almost makes no
money, right? And so it's like, why would we measure ourselves by that? It's like
we have to, we have to buy very definition, reject the vast majority of
whether the people do in order to achieve what other people can't. I would
encourage you to be less reasonable. And I would say that it has been a skill
that has served me well. I mean, you can imagine having saying, hey, we, I
want to break the world record that every other person who has had a book, I
said, massive media empires, they've had big deals, they had national media
behind them for presidents and monarchs who released books. And I'm saying, I'm
just some guy in America saying like, let's see if we can do more than all of
them. And we did, we fucking did, right? We outsold Prince Harry, Obama,
combined within 24 hours. And to be fair, please don't kill me for, you know,
having some kind of disrespect for whatever secret nations exist, right? But I'm
only saying this to make the point, which is like, when I, when I set that goal
originally, can you imagine the amount of people who were like, I don't know if
that's realistic, man, like, hey, that's a really big number. Like, I've really
thought, I mean, like, but what if it doesn't happen? I had someone ask me that. They
said, well, what if we don't hit the goal? And I said, we dare greatly, motherfucker,
that's the point. Like, so what if we don't hit the goal? Or it doesn't mean we
don't, we give ourselves an excuse to not try, but like try an earnest, not say
like, oh, we're going to do this. And we hope this happens. It's like, no, we want
to have five different versions of this thing going wrong. And it's still hitting
the goal. And so I say this because like the goals that I have and probably the
goals that you have never apologized for them, they're, they're, it's normal for
them to be unreasonable. But you don't need to be reasonable. The world wants
you to be reasonable. It's like you need to be unreasonable. You need to stick
your, your feet in the mud. And there's certain amount of stubbornness that's
required. And I think part of the reason that Peter Teal and some of these great
investors talk about phenomenal entrepreneurs is that they'd have, sometimes they
don't have super high agreementless is that they don't need consensus. They don't
need everyone else to like them because they, they believe what they believe.
Right? And the thing is is that in order to have an outsized return at anything,
you have to bet against conventional wisdom. Right? And conventionalism can be
right. And so that means that fundamentally either you're an idiot or you're
right in your early. And that's where you get rewarded. And so you have to think,
like at least the process I come down to is always like what physical law of
reality prevents us from selling this many books. And that's why it came down to
like, all right, we'll have multiple generators. Like if we don't have, how are we
can't sell books? We have to make sure that we have backups for internet. We don't
have internet. We can't sell books. Okay. Do we have enough books to sell? We
got a print them. Okay. Great. We have to have logistics. So we have hundreds and
hundreds of people ready to actually ship those books out. Okay. If we have each
of these things, then all that it really takes is enough people to see it and an
offer enough that is compelling that makes sense for a big enough audience to
say, yes, that's it. And so you have these problems in your business. You're not
cash flowing enough. You're not hiring fast enough. You're not your price isn't
what you want it to be. If you believe, and you can reason it say, like, what
prevents us from doing this? I think that that's where you can get the special
outsize returns. I think that's where you can have the unreasonable
accomplishments. But it comes first from having unreasonable conviction that you
will hold the line, that this will be the standard that you have. And the fact
that no one else has ever done it before means absolutely nothing to you because
there's no reason that they couldn't have done it and good on you for ignoring
the fact of their mediocrity.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Industry standards and averages are often misleading and lead to mediocrity; true success comes from setting and adhering to higher personal standards.
The most successful entrepreneurs and companies are defined by their refusal to accept the status quo, constantly pushing boundaries and questioning what’s possible.
To achieve exceptional results, one must embrace unreasonable goals, break down problems into physical or logical constraints, and relentlessly pursue solutions that others avoid due to fear of failure or perceived difficulty.
Summary:
The speaker, OptionalMozzy, argues that conventional industry standards and averages are detrimental to real growth and success. He recounts a conversation with a large company where leaders repeatedly claimed to follow "industry standards," revealing a deep-rooted mindset of complacency. He challenges this notion by asserting that being average is not a benchmark for success—most average businesses fail financially, and average people face significant personal struggles.
Instead, true excellence comes from setting and maintaining high personal standards. He emphasizes that success is not about being "normal" but about holding the line against natural tendencies toward equilibrium and mediocrity. Drawing on examples like Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs, he illustrates how groundbreaking achievements stem from relentless ambition and the refusal to accept limits.
He explains that when faced with obstacles, one must ask not whether something is possible, but what physical or logical laws prevent it. This mindset leads to creative, aggressive problem-solving—such as hiring faster, increasing prices, or scaling operations with minimal risk. He underscores that real success requires unreasonable conviction, continuous effort, and a willingness to bear costs that others avoid.
The core principle is simple: if you want to win, you must define your own standards and refuse to settle for what others consider acceptable. This mindset fosters innovation, drives superior performance, and ultimately results in outsized achievements—like breaking records in book sales or outperforming industry norms. The world pressures people to conform, but true distinctiveness requires constant work.
The entrepreneur’s role is not to follow the crowd, but to be the standard setter, proving that more is possible than anyone thought.
FAQs
Setting high standards means refusing to accept average or typical outcomes. It involves constantly pushing for better performance in areas like sales, margins, and speed, and refusing to settle for what others consider 'normal' or 'standard'.
Industry standards typically reflect mediocrity—most businesses barely make money. Looking to these standards as a goal leads to average results, not exceptional success. True growth comes from surpassing these norms, not matching them.
Holding the line means refusing to compromise on quality, pricing, speed, or efficiency. This mindset forces innovation and cost-effective solutions, leading to better margins and faster results, as seen in successful companies like Amazon and Tesla.
A portfolio company needed 15 sales reps to meet goals. Instead of hiring slowly, the leader found that two senior reps could assist, allowing the team to scale in one month—adding $4 million in profit for that quarter.
Entrepreneurs should challenge the idea that something is impossible by asking what physical or practical laws prevent it. If a solution seems out of reach, it's often due to mental barriers, not reality.
Just like living organisms work to stay different from their environment, businesses must constantly innovate and strive to be distinct. Stopping progress leads to decline, as the company merges into the average or standard state.
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