Still Using Only Chat GPT? An Ex-Google Expert Teaches AI From Scratch | Masoom Minawala | Aishwarya

is AI gonna steal my job from me. Short answer, realistic answer, yes. You use AI for literally every part of this role. I spend more time with AI tools than I spend with my husband for sure. (laughs) Is Chachi Pt the beginning and end of AI? Absolutely not. I feel that's the entry point. All of my thumbnails are not my pictures. They're all AI generated pictures of me, but they look super realistic. Thanks to Nanobanana. The other tool that I'm heavily, heavily invested in like, using is a combination of (beep) I can't even remember the last 20 dishes by the time I have reached like 25th dish. So I just uploaded that to Chachi Pt and I was like, help me, like, mix and match the dishes. So it doesn't feel like too South Indian. The more detailed you are, the more structured you are, that's the best thing that you can do it from. What is something that gives you joy? Don't automate that. What are the things which takes away the energy from you? Go and automate that. I'm an artist. I don't want AI to paint for me. So I can do my laundry. I wanted to do my laundry so I can paint. The market is going to open up. AI is everywhere right now. In our work, our careers and the choices were being asked to make every day. Now this episode is a clear practical introduction to AI and how it shows up in real life. We talk about the tools people are actually using. How different professionals can apply AI in their own work. And how to begin learning it in a way that feels manageable and relevant. My guest today brings deep credibility to this conversation. She's worked at Microsoft and Google and now builds and teaches in the AI education space, helping people understand and use AI with confidence. This conversation is designed to give you clarity, direction and a strong starting point. If you've been curious about AI and wanted a grounded way to engage with it, this episode is for you. Can you talk to me about everything that you do? So I have my full-time job. So I work at an AI startup. I'm leading an AI developer relations team. So that's like very technical part of my life. But outside of that, I'm running courses. I'm helping people upskill in different domains. So I do very technical workshop, which is for software engineers and data scientists. Then I do workshops for non-technical people. So if you're a marketer, if you've been doing traditional ads and marketing, how can you use AI to do it better? Whether it's like ad campaign manager, using AI tools to help you build different versions of an ad and see which works better. And even as simple as doing a human analysis, right? Like at the end of the day, these ads are catering to humans. So it depends if you like an ad or not. Absolutely. So all of like doing all of that analysis at a human level is possible and can be done at scale with all of these AI tools, which is incredible. Then so I do like a lot of like training for non-technical professionals. And I create content on LinkedIn, which is again catering to more technical professionals. And then I teach people about AI on my Instagram channel. I do long form videos on my YouTube channel. I'm advising some startups in Bay Area. So yeah, that's pretty much what I do. Wow. Okay, and you use AI for literally every part of this role. Yeah. How did you find yourself in the world of technology? So I would say I was always curious about technology. I did not have a lot of access to computers and stuff outside of what I had in my school. And luckily I found this interest when I would visit my mom's office. She used to work in a B school. She was an assistant to professors. And she would work very closely with MBA students and MBA professors. So for me, after school, I would just go hang out with her in her office. So I had access to computers there. I had access to what she was doing. And my initial hunch into what I liked in the data science machine learning AI space was because of pure analytics. Because she was working mostly on data analytics. This is way before AI became cooler, even like, came out of the research lab. So that was my initial exposure to data analysis and computers. I somewhere thought that I fell in love with coding, programming, and seeing what you can do with the technology. And then there was pretty much traditional trajectory I went to do my undergrad in computer science, learned more about machine learning and AI. This is, again, back in 2013. So I feel like the biggest trajectory came in in 2022 after chat GPT was launched. Before then, AI was considered as something which is too technical or sitting in research labs or sitting in a robot in companies. Exactly. Or you think of literally robots. You only think about robots. People, my mom would not know what AI means back then. And I'm very glad that what happened when it happened with chat GPT because every single person on this plan, it sort of opened their eyes. And it was that internet moment, right? That now it's not just for tech professionals, it's not just for businesses, but it can really improve each and every of our lives. So what is AI? So in the simplest way I would explain this is, it's just a tool. The way that we see calculators are, it lets you do something faster, easier, more controlled, and in an automated manner. I would say AI is just a smarter automation. It's a smarter machine which does things beyond what you made it for. So a simple example is if you're building a calculator, you do two plus two, it's going to respond with four. But what AI does is you can actually give it a goal. You can say that I want you to do this and then it'll figure out a way to do that. You're not instructing it what to do or how to do it, but you're just telling you what you want from it and it figures out a way intelligently. Give us an example. So for example, writing assistant, right? You tell it that, hey, write an email for me. That used to not exist before 2022. It was not something which was available to all for people. Now the way the AI models are built, how is it able to write an email for you? Because we have provided this computer with all of the text knowledge which is available on the internet. So every single email template that has ever existed on the internet, every single book, every single podcast, every single song, every single text information which has been available on the internet has been fed into this model and it learns what writing means. So at the end of the day, what it does is it has read a lot. Now you come in, ask it to do something for you. It tries to understand, oh, this person is asking me to write an email. So I'm gonna jog my memory and figure out what a good email looks like. And I'm gonna write it based on what information this user has provided for me. So that's an intelligent system because you're not telling it how to do it. You're telling it what to do and it figures out how to do it. Yes, absolutely, you're right. I know you love our content. I don't doubt it one bit. But I'd love if you can prove it to me by hitting the subscribe button. It's just three inches away from your thumb, hit it and let's build the largest women content community in India. So what are the AI skills that you think professionals but also not necessarily professionals. Everyone needs to know today. And really how many are there, right? Because I think AI has kind of become so omnipresent in our lives today. But there's, I think we know it'll be extent of chat GBD. I think the second most come into, let's just Gemini. And I think that's kind of where we go up until when we're looking at the masses and their kind of awareness. So first see, let's talk about AI skills and AI tools. Two different things, right? Yeah, two different things. So let's kick off with AI skills. Okay. So the best example that I like to talk about when we're talking about how do I learn AI? What do I learn about AI is comparing it with internet. Okay. I remember my father had actually gone for one internet class which was using computer, browsing the web and he gave out. He was like, this is not my piece of cake. He's still like, till the time he was alive, he used to use one of those Nokia phones which just had buttons. Yeah. We're like, no touchpad and nothing. So this lay game. Exactly. That's how he, for him, that's what technology was. But in today's world, if you tell somebody to learn to use internet, it just sounds stupid, right? Like, who doesn't know how to use internet? Everybody knows how to use internet. And internet is not something that only professionals use or only people who are very smart use. Even a vegetable vendor is using internet in some form or the other. And I highly encourage people to think about using AI the same way you think about using internet. And the reason I am advocating for it for AI literacy especially is because the speed at which internet was developed and at the speed at which it was adopted was very slow. If you compare it with AI, it's happening so fast and it's all the AI companies which are in a race to get ahead and the development is just incredibly fast that even as an AI professional, it is hard to keep up. I can only imagine what it would feel like a general public. Yes. So it is important that you open up your mind. And this is a very practical tip that I even tell my mind. mom to do which is every single time. The simplest of tasks that you do every day, think about how an AI can help you. Like just write it on a notepad and put it on your fridge that every single day I have to do anything, I'm going to first think how an AI can help me. For example, my mom wanted to share New Year's card to people and she was like, "I want it to be like this. I wanted to have a little gun patty on it. I wanted to say this." And I was like, "Go use charge GPT to it. Tell it exactly what you want in the card and it'll produce for you." She did that. She was like, "I don't know what to cook today. I have a little bit of froggy flour, I have a little bit of these veggies. I'm confused what to cook." Go use an AI tool. Ask an AI that here are the ingredients that I have. What can I do with it? So the de facto or the default way that you think about a retrieving information or doing basic tasks which are manual and time consuming, turn off your brain to use internet the regular way that we would do it and start thinking about AI tool to do the same thing. But don't you think turning off the brain is counterproductive to us as humans? When I say turn off the brain, it's not turning off the brain from thinking capacity. At the end of the day, when you use internet, it was a means to retrieve information. Yes. If I go 100 years ago, newspapers was a way to retrieve information. Books were a way to retrieve information. The internet came, internet became a way to retrieve faster information. Now with AI tool, it's one level faster than internet to retrieve the same kind of information that you are doing. So it's not that we are outsourcing our thinking. We are outsourcing searching. That's the way I think about it. You know, what happens to the creative self? When we rely on AI, it's almost like I have the raggi flour, I have the veggies, and I don't know what to do with it and what to make with it. If AI doesn't exist, so you don't turn to AI, you are going to think about it. You are going to think about it and you are going to be creative with it. You should be innovative with it. You should invent something which is like a lot of invention and innovation happens in the kitchen. It's a great creative outlet. Or you could also be like, let me call my mom or let me call my friend and ask her what to make. And it also cuts down that human interaction. How do you feel about that? What you are mentioning is actually very accurate. It is in a lot of the researchers which talks about human mind and the way that we are culturally interacting with each other. It has spoken about this, that using AI tools or being heavily reliant even on social media platforms has affected our EQ. And what you are mentioning is exactly in one of the reports that came out which said that our attention span and our creative thinking has gotten down because of using AI tools. I think it is very much a conscious choice that you have to make on what do you want to use your mind for and when do you want to outsource it to some extent. The way I would think about it is in a simpler example. In today's world, if you want to really say, stitch something for yourself, you can go to a tailor, you can go to a designer who will build that for you. But early in the days people would stitch sweaters and socks for themselves. That was a craft. Some people still continue to do it because they find joy in it. But today's day we have the technology to automate that. The same way, there are a lot of things which humans will continue to do it because they find joy in it. Whether it is reading a book, whether it is thinking about what I want to bake today. That's going to be a very personal and conscious decision where you say that, hey, I'm not going to use technology for it. I'm going to do this myself. Whether it's writing something, whether it's writing the story, whether it's cooking something, whether it's painting something. You have access to the tools but you make a conscious decision to do it other way. So it is going to be something that people have to decide for themselves. One of the artists had shared this which I thought was very funny. She said that, I'm an artist. I wanted to do my laundry so I can paint and do what I like. So it's very subjective to what is the part that people want to automate in their life. For me, if you ask me that, hey, responding to 100 emails every day, that doesn't give me joy. So I would rather ask like AI to help me with responding to all the emails that I get through the day. So I can focus on something else. The same could be even with something as simple as cooking. Sure, I love cooking. I love baking. I would like to do it in my free time. But on a day-to-day basis, if you tell me you can give me a robot which is going to cook all three meals for me every single day, I would rather take that because I get to choose how I like to spend my time. So there are AI tools mostly for every single task that you want to do. And this is a conscious decision that people need to make when to use it and when not to use it. So for sake of this conversation, I'm going to assume that everyone that's tuning in today has taken the decision to positively adopt AI into their lives. So I do think this debate is one that can go on. But to actually just make it more actionable this entire episode, let's take it from the perspective that everyone who's tuning in is inclined to learn AI and is also pausing to ask themselves, do I find joy in this task or not? I think that's actually a great way to signal to whether you want to do it, which is a very fresh perspective, I think. So now if we move to AI tools, is it your activity, the beginning and end of AI? Absolutely not. Now there are a lot of competing tools with charge GPT. For example, my family has also moved a lot to Gemini. They started with charge GPT, but for certain kinds of questions, when they want to upload a PDF and ask something on top of it, whether it's an electricity bill or a tax invoice, they find that Gemini does a better job. So when I say that think about what AI tool can help you, the reason is that you're aware. The important part here is awareness. A lot of people are not even aware, if I say Gemini, maybe a lot of people don't even know what Gemini means. It's a Google tool, a Google competitor to charge GPT, which is built on certain different kinds of ethical AI implications. So important thing here is awareness. A lot of people don't even know what kind of AI tools are out there. So opening up your mind to think that, hey, do I even know what's out there? Using it, not using it is totally up to you, but being aware that what exists in the landscape is what's missing even today. Okay, so let's say someone's come here to be more aware. So I would say, I'll give you an example of somebody I met recently for the One Bill in Followers Summit. I met Shakun Batra and we were chatting in length about AI in film direction. He doesn't come from a technical background, but it was so fascinating to think about his thought process, his traditional way of filmmaking and how he was thinking about, hey, what are the AI tools? Like, what are the nuances? What are the things that I need to learn when I'm trying to use this tool in my, in my business, in my job, right? And that's the beauty of these AI tools that it is at the end of the day, a tool. Please think about it as a tool. It is like a drilling machine. It is like a, you know, a wedge which is going to help you do something better. So it is in the end of the day, a productivity tool. The way you decide to use it is going to be a like a Boona curse for you. But being aware of what tools is available is important and to your point, right? Like, it's Chajjipati Gemini, the BN and all, it's not. It's the entry point. It's the easiest way for you to like get into AI. It's the Google of internet. So the first time you're interacting with an AI tool is most likely going to be Chajjipati or Gemini because it's user friendly. You can interact with text, you can interact with voice, you can talk to it and it feels more natural. But once I go beyond that point, right? Like, now it depends on what exactly are you trying to do with the AI tools? If it's somebody like my mom, I would say like Chajjipati sort of suffices 99% of what she wants to do, whether it's like figuring out how to download an app or how to like update something on her TV. All of that gets done with a tool like Chajjipati. But as we move up the curve, people who are professionals, people who are say marketers, people who are into finance, people who are into healthcare, that's when the nuanced comes in, which is, hey, there are specialized AI tools which will help you do specific things. Because the whole concept of why Chajjipati came in picture was this company is trying to build AGI, which is artificial general intelligence. They're trying to give you a generally intelligent model which will do most of the things that you ask it for, but it is not specialized. The same way you think about a person who that hey, you're intelligent, you're like IQ overall is very good. I can ask you about general questions and you'll be able to answer most of them. But if I were to ask you something specific about cancer treatment, you're not a specialist in that. And that's the kind of use cases where you switch from a tool like chat GPT into specialized AI tools. When you have a niche problem, when chat GPT doesn't do the job that you're looking for, that's when you switch into more advanced specialized AI tools. So how does one find those specialized AI tools? Let's talk about the three most basic, most fundamental AI tools that everyone, general public, should be aware of and should be using to for an enhancement of their daily life. I feel the beauty of the AI tools are they are very much integrated into any of the tools that they've been using so far. Whether it's basic Google search, it understands what you're trying to search for better because it uses AI. Whether you're using maps, it gives you better precision of distance and like time and traffic compared to what it used to be because it used AI under the hood. If you're thinking about a tool like Spotify, it uses AI under the hood to give you better music recommendations compared to what it was. I would say not from the apps we've been using. So almost like how chat GPT was. Like, can you give 3 chat GPT and then 2 more or 3 more that are like and you know why they would actually for general public be relevant or add value to their life. So chat GPT and Gemini and Claude are like three tools which are in the same bucket which is chat assistance. One of the other tools which I have found to be very very helpful for me is this tool called Auto AI. I feel that's also something which anybody can use. Auto AI is a transcription tool so I still have it on my phone. All I need to do is just press record and even if our conversation goes on for 3 hours, it's going to transcribe everything. Then I can ask questions to it based on that transcription. It will summarize the meeting notes for us. It will give me very specific to do items next steps. These are the points that was discussed. That's something which is anybody can use it. The other tool which I personally really like a lot is this tool called Genspark. It's a startup but then I absolutely love their tool because it sort of is a super agent. It's like a super AI. It does a lot of different things for you. So if I just give it a topic that I want to give a talk about AI in health and wellness. All I have to give you is give it is a few ideas and maybe the story that I want to go for and it will build the entire slide deck for me. For any analyst or early professionals who get bored of building slides, it will build you an entire slide. It can help you analyze Excel sheets. It can help you analyze your text documents. It's basically a super AI which is and it has multiple sub specialized AI tools inside it. Which I would highly recommend people to use because if you find doing all of these like manual tasks is boring, you should definitely give it a try. But is that specifically for making slides? No, it does a lot of things. Slides is one of the use cases that I use it for. You can analyze Excel sheets. You can create documents. You can create books. It's basically like a suite of different tools that you can ask it to build. Okay. Interesting. When you are talking about obviously everyone in their own sphere of life and then finding the specialized AI tools for them, right? Let's take me as an example. I'm someone who is a working professional. I have my own business. My team is a daily remote. I'm a mom of two babies. I host a podcast. I work also in fashion and lifestyle. I'm an entrepreneur. What would you recommend someone like me to adopt in terms of AI tools? It's a great question. This is something that I, this is an exercise that I do for myself as well. I feel we are in this point in time where everyone is busy being busy. And it's just like told to us that if you're not busy, you're not doing something productive in your life, you have to keep yourself busy all the time. One of the things which has helped me is to take a pause and figure out what do I do which is probably not being as productive as I thought it would be and reevaluate how I would prioritize things differently. So something as simple as this, right? Whenever I have to, I do my podcast as well and like it's mostly focused on AI and like talking to AI professionals. So a lot of times what would happen for me is I use this podcast which is about 30 minutes long and I'll have my editor or like somebody on my team to go through different sections of the video and figure out what could be a real, what are some of the interesting insights that I can share on LinkedIn. So it used to take a lot of manual process and even before the part where I'm getting on a chat with this person who's on my podcast, I used to do a lot of manual research which is like I'll go through their LinkedIn. I'll try to see which companies did their work for, what are the projects that they do and this was like one task, one pipeline amongst the thing that I would do and then I stopped and I thought hey, I'm spending so much time at each and every step of the way. How can I automate this process? First step, researching the podcast guest. I can use an AI tool to do that. So I built a prompt which is the instruction that you provide to chat GPT and I asked it to automate that part. So every single time I have a new podcast guest, it'll automatically generate a report for me which will talk about all the important things that I need to know about them. It'll do a personality match which is what are the things I'm interested in and I talk about which aligns with them and what are some of the relevant questions that I can ask them which isn't just like all similar or like very mundane but things which is relevant in today's date, something that has happened last week that has come in news that I can ask them about. So it'll do a very personal set of questions for me and then I can go and tweak it the way I want. Automated that part which platform? Charge GPT for this part. Then for recording and like editing the podcast and like finding what clips are amazing, restream is amazing. Restream is another platform. Again, like very specific for podcasters. So if you ask anybody else outside of the podcast world what is restream the most likely will not know but anybody who's in that space would know that how valuable that tool is because it generates Instagram Reels for you just using AI. So that's the mindset that it has helped me to like pause and reflect on what my day-to-day looks like. Okay. What are the things that I'm spending most time on and how can I use an AI tool to do it better? It is not letting a tool do it for you. It is like having a virtual assistant. It can do the research for me. I'll review the questions and I'll tweak it the way I want and I'll make it more personal but at least like the 90% of the grant work is taken care of. The same way with the Reels that I get as an output I'll review it. I'll see if I want to like maybe add 5 seconds more or reduce 5 seconds less but the grant work is done. Writing posts based on what we spoke about in the podcast. It automatically summarizes the podcast and gives me like key action items. So I don't have to go and watch the entire 40 minutes to figure out what were the interesting topics that we spoke about but the AI tool does that for me and gives me a rough post and I can tweak it and then post it on my LinkedIn. So that's the way I think about it and this templates, this framework applies for anybody. Whether it's my mom, whether it's a student, whether it's a kid, whether it's a parent, anything that you're doing throughout the day, just note it down. Just think about how much time you're spending on each and every task. Don't automate that. Can you talk to me about a few tools? So you know how we spoke about kind of, we spoke about general public, we spoke about someone who's a working professional and you spoke about, say media and podcasting. What's my thoughts on content tools that you think are incredible? Oh, I love that question. So I use a lot of content tools and disclaimer, I'm not faithful to anything because the landscape moves very fast through. At one point I used to love CapCut but now there are a lot of other tools which does things differently or does things the way I wanted to. Okay. So I have moved on to Captions AI which is a tool which I use for teleprompter. It does an AI edit which generates b-rolls from scratch. It adds captions, it cuts the silences, it cuts repeated words, it does everything from scratch. So Captions AI. Okay. So that one is a great tool. The other tool that I'm heavily, heavily invested in like using is a combination of Hagen and Levin Labs. Hagen builds AI avatars for you. So the days when I'm traveling I don't have the privilege to like sit in front of a camera and like record a whole reel. I just run it through Hagen and it produces the AI avatar. Hagen tool is very good at emotions, even hand gestures. Even if I don't, I record like my initial video without my hands. [BLANK_AUDIO] those hands and like add the movements very naturally. So that's a great tool for avatars. As an Indian, I feel most of the audio tools that I use make me sound American. So I have trained a model as a professional voice clone on leavenlabs. That's another platform. All you need to do is just upload all of your audio into it and it'll produce a voice clone. So I use a combination of Hagen and Leavenlabs to get the reels out the days when I'm not able to record it myself. So that's another tool that I absolutely love. Then Canva is another tool that I love a lot because it helps me with thumbnails, like editing something very specific with magic edits which is all like AI generated stuff. Okay, okay, amazing. You spoke about prompting, right, which is I think a huge part of AI. Correct me from wrong. But how do you create that perfect prompt because what your prompt says is going to define the quality of product that's going to come back to you. Absolutely. So prompting is as simple as English. Somebody who reads a lot, who is out and about like learning new stuff will be good at writing essays. It's the exact same way. The more you expose yourself to what other people have used, there's a lot of like prompt libraries out there. So you can actually read and learn what a good prompt looks like. And prompting is sort of subjective to which field you are coming from. The same way like a book which is catering to a medical professional is not going to be written in the same way that a book which is written for engineers. Prompt also differs depending on what you want that AI tool to do for you. So the best thing is one pause and read. Read through some of the prompt libraries. There's a lot of them available online. So all you need to do is like search for sample prompts, best practices in prompts and you'll give you how to structure your prompts correctly. And then it's all about practicing. Once you write a certain prompt and you use it, you see it responded in a certain way. You know the gaps, right? Like in your mind, this is what the perfect output look like. And you're like, oh, these are not right. Maybe I want it to be slightly more professional if it's like written content or if you're thinking about images, you want it to be brighter or you want it to be more hyper realistic or you want it to be more cartoonish. Then you start tweaking the prompts. So it's a process of trial and error. There is no first short correct answer in prompting. And this is not just applicable for general public who are prompting. But even for AI professionals day to day, there's no like one good prompt that you start with. It's a process trial and error. And once you get to a point where it looks good, then you start replicating it for more of your use cases. That's pretty much it. So give me an example of a good prompt and a bad prompt. Thinking about prompting is the exact same way that you're thinking about talking to a person. If I say that, if I'm talking to you and I'm say, ah, my soul, like, can you do this for me? And I give you like a tool I know. You'll be like, ah, but what about this? Can you give me a little bit more context? But what how many pages should it look like? How many words should it be more funny? Should it be more professional? Should it be strong? You're going to ask me a lot of questions, right? The same way, think about it talking to an AI tool. If you give it a vague question or if you give it a vague prompt, it's not going to perform the right way. A lot of times as humans, we think of things which is implied. We're like, oh, I think you have context of what I'm asking you for because you're a human. You have a lot more context. You have a wider world view. So even if I give you a vague question, you're most likely going to imply a certain kind of information and you're going to do what I'm asking you to some extent. But that's not the same with AI tools. They don't have the worldwide vision. They don't have like knowledge which is their own perspective. They don't have their own perspective. They don't understand your lightliness. They don't understand your body language. There are a lot of information which they don't have access to. So the more detailed you are, the more structured you are, that's the best thing that you can do with prompting. Be extremely precise. What are you looking for? If you're asking you to write an essay, tell it the tone, tell it the style, tell it if you want longer sentences or shorter sentences, tell it how complicated of an English you wanted to do. Talk about the audience. Like this essay is catering to fifths to eighth grade students. Give it as much context as you can. That's when it's going to come back with the right result or you'll be disappointed. Give me an example of a prompt. So say I want to I'm away from meeting with someone and I'm asking Chachi PD to create an elevator pitch that I can pitch to this person in the meeting and how to network with them and get the most start this meeting. Tell me a bad prompt first and then tell me a good prompt. So the request that you ask me, if you just directly put it into Chachi PD, it's a bad prompt. When you say that, hey, I'm going to an elevator pitch, I'm going to be meeting this person and tell me what I should talk to them about. That's a bad prompt. But as a human, what I'm going to imply information that I got out of your question is that I say that you're masoom, what is your background? I'm going to go research about that in one trajectory. Then I'm going to see that, oh, this is a person that you're going to talk to. I'm going to research about them separately. That's two tasks that I already did which you did not tell me to do. All you asked me was for an elevator pitch. But I already did two tasks which you did not specify for. And then I'm going to also think about, oh, like you're going to be meeting this person. What are the common topics that you have which would be good to build that hook for like that anchor moment between you and that person. So give me the prompt. Yeah. So the prompt would be that you say that, hey, I'm so and so. This is what I do. There could be 100 things that you do. But this is specifically what I want to talk to them about. Here is my business idea which I want to pitch them. Here is this person. This is what they do. And I want to specifically talk to them about this part of their business or this part of their interest. And I want you to give me like a two minute elevator pitch which is more on an emotional level of connect. And I want to highlight this part of my work. And I want them to go away with a call to action to do this. That is the level of specificity I would go with. And then it will come back. May not be the 100 person accurate output but then you tweak again. Okay. Coming back to the AI tools. What are your favorite AI tools for life? Right. For actually living life. For doing life. Almost like personal AI tools. I would say I'm mostly using from personal level because like coding is a huge part of what I do in my day to day. So I'll still count that as part of my life. No. So I don't mean for you personally. I mean for someone's personal life. Like for example like in someone's personal life there is stuff like obviously recipes. There's like maintaining a calendar. Yeah. Like stuff like balancing so many different roles. There could be like taking care of loved ones. Yeah. There could be. I feel like that's all like a personal life or like recreation entertainment. Yeah. So within that kind of stuff. So I will say like the regular ones are chat jippity, Claude, Gemini. These are like the go-to which if you're not using at least a couple of times a day then you're doing something wrong. The other tool which is really good even from a planning perspective it's not something only tech professionals use. It's called notion which helps you organize your life better. So the way you talk to me right like you have so many things on your plate. You're like a mom of two like you have your personal life. You have your business life. You have your your creator life. There's just so many things happening in your life. You want a way a place where you can dump your ideas. The way we use to scribble on the notebook. You want a place where you can scribble out everything that's going on and you want it to be organized. So notion is a great tool that can help you do that. It automatically sends you reminders on your calendar. You can connect it with your calendar. So if you have like some meetings coming through your week it'll actually pull in from your calendar and it'll give you some tidbits about hey these are the things which is upcoming. Maybe you want to prepare for this. Maybe there's like you know some action item. So notion is an amazing amazing tool. Then the other tool is superhuman which is specific to just maintaining your calendar and your emails which is also something that anybody anybody would would like to use. So there also is like amazing to help you with organizing your priority list to do list. If you have something that's coming two weeks later but then there are certain action items that you need to do right now. You don't have to physically like remember everything. It'll remind you for those things. You've spoken about Chachi, Preeti, Jemana and Claude a lot. Yeah. What is the difference between the three and what is the best way to maximize output from all three? I mean what are the strengths of all three and what should we use them for? I feel both all the three tools are amazing. Okay. Every person who uses it feels good. different because their use cases are different. The kinds of questions that they are asking is different. So that's why everybody has a different relationship with each of these tools. For me, my day-to-day go-to is chat GPT because it also has this tool called Pulse which I'm an absolute fan of. You can customize that pulse for you every day. It's like a morning assistant which picks up with you. It tells you that hey, you typically like reading news about ABCD. So here are some news about ABCD. You like me to remind you about your upcoming meetings for the day. So here is a quick summary of your meetings. So the great part about that is you can customize it to be the kind of assistant that you want it to be. So Pulse is an amazing sub tool within chat GPT. So that's my go-to every single day and I personally feel that I'm faster at talking than typing. So I use it for like most of my transcriptions. I just like "Yap" at it and then I'm like just do it for me. So that's another like great tool that I find it with chat GPT. With chat GPT. Claude, I feel does an incredible job in writing. When it comes to long form writing, chat GPT I personally prefer it for like shorter form writing, emails, replies, shorter posts, Instagram captions and all of that. But when it comes to like long form blogs essays, Claude does a better job. It preserves the tone and style better. So that's what I use Claude for. Claude code which is more for like coding. That's also like a very good tool. So that's also something that I use. Gemini on the other hand have been absolute fan of Nanobanana. That image generation. Like I love posting AI comics. Okay. So I use Nanobanana to generate them. It does a wonderful job. Also if you like go through my Instagram channel. They're all AI generated pictures of me but they look super realistic thanks to Nanobanana. So in the context of what I'm putting in the in the real, I generate a new thumbnail every single time. So I don't have to go for photo shoots and stuff. So that's another like a great tool that I rely on. Gemini is also very good when it comes to understanding documents. So that's another tool that I recommend my mom to use. If she has questions around like, hey, like you know Indian taxation has like a new new thing coming out. So how do I understand it? How does it affect me? Here is my insurance policy document. How do I like improve my policy? Like is there a better plan that I should be taking? So all of those questions Gemini is really good at. And personally I would say like from a trust perspective, Google as a company has been extremely cautious in responsible applications of AI. So they are very conscious about the information that you provide on the tool. That is a very big concern. Like the first time that I told my father and a lot of like go use this AI tool, he was like, I'm not going to upload my personal documents into it. Like it has my personal information which is a very, very valid concern for anyone. Right. So so in that sense the way we think about it is the company which is owning the tool. How do they think about privacy and security? So for me like I feel like Google does a great job with their responsibility. I practice is that's my personal opinion. I used to work for Google and but I'm not saying this because I used to work for Google. I personally feel there. Responsible AI practices are really good. So for me, maybe I have like a bias towards Gemini model for uploading any sensitive confidential information. Okay. Interesting. So I know your husband also works in tech. Are there any AI tools that you use for your marriage? For our marriage yes. I mean we used a lot of AI tools like including Canva. So any of the banners that we had for our wedding, I used all of the AI tools to help me create it because I was very particular about the colors. Like my dress has to match the color. So it had to be all color coordinated and I was like I can't hire an artist right now to help me do this. So all of that was done by us. We even like the initial food menus that we got. When we were looking at it, it's like 60-70 dishes. I can't even remember the last 20 dishes by the time I have reached 25th dish. So I just uploaded that to chat Jyupati and I was like help me mix and match the dishes. So it doesn't feel like two South Indian. Okay. It's like I'm not overboding people. Like too many desserts or too many curries but help me have like a good diverse set of dishes. So those are like some of the things that anybody can use. Okay and what about on a day-to-day basis as a couple? Are there any AI tools you use on a day-to-day basis as a couple to manage our crossfit? A lot. So we used to go for crossfit classes but then because it requires for you to follow a schedule, sometimes we've missed the class because we had to stay at work for like 15 minutes longer and we decided to just like build a home gym and we just like do crossfit at home. So the con for that is when you go to classes somebody tells you what to do but when you're doing that at home you have to think about what to do and we will just be busy through the day and we'll be like oh god what do I like what do I do like what are the work hours we should do today and we just go back to chat Jyupati. So we did legs yesterday with we did these things yesterday help us like build a workout routine for us which focuses on like lads which focuses on like maybe like dead lifts and those kind of things so we give it a specific input of what we are looking for and not blindly going into it saying that creator routine for us but we're actually telling it what are the things we want to focus on and it gives us a routine that we want. He spoke about nano banana. Can you tell us a little bit more about that tool and how could so it's AI image generation right yeah how could someone use it in their lives. So also something that I made my mom addicted to it's an amazing tool for image generation okay so the reason I was telling you that I'm not really married to any of these AI tools is because the speed at which every company is driving towards better innovation there's not one tool which has consistently stood out all the time. It's always a very neck to neck competition with even image models I use chat GPs image model also a lot you know if you remember the jibblification that got yes very famous right so at that point it was like hot fire like everyone was using a chat GPT image generation but nano banana what it did differently is character preservation so if you upload your image and you say that create an image of me standing in New York behind like this bridge it does a very good job to preserve your face so that was very good with nano banana and I actually shared that with a lot of people in my network I was like most of you who have terrible LinkedIn profile pictures please use nano banana to like generate a new one in case like you know you're not you're not comfortable going for a shoot or you don't have time to like get professional headshots so these are like such tiny simple use cases which is relevant for everyone so that's something that I even like tell my mom to do nano bananas great as like face preservation especially so that is something that she likes to just experiment with she's like what would I look like if I were if I were wearing this like Manishmalhutra sorry so it just like produces a beautiful image for you you just give it a picture of the sari and you give it a picture of you and it produces an image of what you would look like wearing that sari so these are like all little things that people can work with in their day to day so nano banana is a Google tool is available inside of Gemini app okay yeah so you know you've just given us so much incredible information about AI and honestly even someone like me who does spend a lot of time with technology I only turn to Chachi PT yeah right but I do do you think it's necessary for me or for the general public to learn AI is it important to upskill in AI and to learn more and to adopt more tools absolutely yes and I always go back to the same analogy of it's like learning internet everybody should should or know how to like use internet and tools which helps them be better and be more productive which helps you in your day to day life and the same is the case with AI the upskilling part that you spoke about looks different for different people if you are a student if you're like a kid what are the AI tools that you should be using what are the things that you should know about AI is different and that's why having being AI literate is very important okay and what does that mean so being AI literate is understanding how does AI work right like what are the pros and cons of it what are the things it can do what are the things it can't do how do you use a basic tool like Chachi PT there are like millions and millions of people who have not even like logged into a tool like Chachi PT ever in their life let it part like trying out different tools so like that's a basic first step and understanding the lay of the land which is what are the things that it can help me with what are the kinds of automation that it can do and most importantly what it cannot do when should I not be trusting AI the whole part about hallucinations right like misinformation that comes out of it a lot of people like in fact like my mom was telling me the story that she's been so used to using AI tools and using Chachi PT that she loves doing self-diagnosis she's like she's having some symptoms she's like goes to Chachi PT and she's like asking a bunch of questions then she goes to the doctor and she's like I think I have this problem so the doctor finally told her that the next time if you use Chachi PT and come to me I'm not gonna talk about it treat you. So that's also like you know a con of like overusing these tools without understanding what they are good and bad at. So I spent a good amount of time telling my mom that hey these are the issues when you use these tools. It's not gonna always give you the right answers and again it's not it's not that the tool is bad. If I were to think about general Google search as well right like if you go and enter a bunch of symptoms mostly it'll point to oh you're you're dying you know like that's how like most of you're yeah that's how most of the blogs would tell you. Now the access to that information has become faster. So instead of you going and reading like three different blogs and figuring out that you're gonna die based on like whatever symptoms you have now tragedy gives you that in one answer but it's wrong information at the end of the day whether you're using a basic Google search and reading wrong blogs is misinformation and so is using a tool like charge a pity which can't possibly give you wrong information. So understanding that hey this is a generally intelligent model. It is not a doctor it is not a financial expert it is not a legal expert it is just a generally intelligent model which which can give you good intelligent answers like Wikipedia but it's not an expert in anything. I think like having that sense is very important and that's why like being AI literature is important understanding the understanding the pros and cons of these tools is important and then using it and then using it and I'll go back to like the initial thing that I said right like any professional whether you are a tech professional whether you are a marketing professional whether you are a doctor whether you're a dentist every single day I can guarantee that you have things on your plate which can be automated with an AI tool and it'll do a better job. So a simple example because I spoke dentist because I went to my dentist in the US and was telling her that hey right now the way you take appointment sucks it's really bad like you have a receptionist who's always like busy taking calls and they're getting confused you have some notebook or you have some like laptop there you're entering something here or something there and it's like all chaotic and messed up just use an AI agent right there like have a AI model that helps you book appointments so you're taking away their part of like you know part of a chaotic schedule and they can focus on something which is way more valuable. See I'm this dentist you tell me use an AI model there but how do I find out which AI model will be the right one for me to use that's where like being literature is important because you need to be capable to go on the internet and search for things like dentist appointment AI model and see the results like what does it show you and then you should be able to make an informed decision that hey this tool is good for me based on what your use case is so that's why it's important for you to not get carried away with the fact that AI is a magic box and it solves all your problem nor should you be on the other extreme which is like AI is going to like you know end the world you have to be somewhere in the middle you have to be realistic you have to be understanding the pros and cons of any of these AI tools a very simple google search a very simple like using chat GPT perplexity whatever that tool is like whatever you use for searching information just search for the simple thing that I'm a dentist I want an AI tool which automates my appointment processes what are the tools which are available for me just ask that simple question the question that you asked me you can just go and ask an AI tool that question and it'll give you options I'll tell you that here are some tools which are more budget friendly but they're probably going to be slightly more you know like so I ask AI for AI recommendations amazing I love that I think the most concerning and emergency question that comes with AI is is AI going to steal my job from me what do you think short answer realistic answer yes it is going to displace a lot of jobs it is the same thing that has happened with every single technology that has come in at one point in time when we did not have vehicles there were car drivers there were people who would ride horses does that job exist anymore no it is not so from a plain perspective if you're thinking about is AI going to take over jobs yes it is going to take over and displace a lot of jobs but the way I think about it is it is going to open up a large economy which did not exist so the best thing that you can do is empower yourself to move into a direction which will future prove you from the AI job displacement so the best way that you can do right now is not shine away from AI tools and like using AI in your work and in your day-to-day life but figuring out how you can be better where you can bring in that you are up-skilling and where you can bring your unique value proposition that's very important because there are certain things that AI can do but AI cannot have interpersonal relationships it cannot sit here and do a podcast the reason that you're sitting here with me rather than another AI tool to talk to you is because there is a lot of personal stories there's a lot of lived experiences there's a lot of interpersonal skills that humans bring on to the table that AI tools can't so it's always like thinking about it as is a drilling machine going to take away a carpenters job? No not really but they empower carpenters to do more to do better so that's the way people should start thinking about that yes there are going to be parts of some job that are going to become obsolete and the market is going to open up so wide in the future I tell you with AI tools like some of the brightest things that I see and I'm like so excited about it and I'm planning to actually put together a course on this it's not going to be technical but it is AI for solo preneas because in today's age the amount of things that I can get done is incredible I couldn't have imagined doing so much that I'm doing right now without having all the tools at my disposal so I can only imagine what that entrepreneurial landscape would look like because as a one person team you can be your own marketer you can be your own salesman you can be your own video editor you can do so much just by yourself and yeah that's something which is very exciting to me amazing I share yeah thank you so much for being with us today this was such a great beginners window into the world of AI and AI tools and thank you for all the knowledge that you shared with us thank you so much my soul thank you so much for having me here thank you so much for watching or listening all the way through I'd love for you to hit that subscribe button it helps this show reach more incredible people like you and most importantly get closer to our goal to build an incredible community with the masumi navala show my goals with this show are audacious and you all are the most important part of this journey I want to create for you so tell me what you want to hear what stories could change your life I read every single comment and your reflections honestly help us shape where this show goes next I'll see you in the next one