Stefon Diggs, Ryan Garcia, Kane Brown and Desi Banks

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The things you're thinking I'm doing, I'm not doing with my coach, Hall of Famer coach Joe Goose. I'm not just. Who's doing this? You're going to be guessing. Show us one more time. Slow-ass punches. It's like Meek Mill. Oh, that was bad. On this episode of The Shop Uninterrupted, Maverick Carter and Paul Rivera are joined by Stephon Diggs. I put a lot of time and a lot of time into my craft, and I watch myself so I can consistently be consistent with what I'm showing you. Like, I can't keep showing you the same thing. If I show you something, I'm going to show you something different. Kane Brown. But when all the Black Lives Matter stuff comes up, then I win an award because I have a song called, World Wide Beautiful. And they're like, that's the most black people I've ever seen on a country music stage. Ryan Garcia. To me, I don't listen to nobody. All I do is say to myself, what's the truth? I don't trust anything but the truth. And I know that when I get in the ring, somehow I figure it out. And Desi Banks. My shows are totally different from my skits. My skits are skits. But some people be saying, that motherfucking show is ten times better than this damn skits. Because, you know, what my show is, you know, you're learning about me. Check it out. Did you play both ways in high school? Yeah, I played corner and I played receiver. I was supposed to play corner, but I. At Maryland. It was not. I was recruited for just receiver. I only had three schools to play corner and guess the schools right now. I bet you can't guess. Wait, wait, wait. The three schools that recruited you to play corner. Obviously, what? Maryland, were you in? All receiver. Alabama. Wow. Miami. And Clemson. So you thought about going. Were you going to play corner? Clemson. I wanted to go to Clemson. But I was like, I wanted to play receiver. Then I wanted to play. I was kind of up in the air. But then, like, Clemson had Sammy, DeAndre Hopkins. Martavius Bryant. They really had their first three that was all damn near first-round talent. Yeah, because you're from. Maryland. Maryland. Your senior year in high school, when you're deciding if you're going to play corner or wideout, are you thinking pros? Yeah. I thought about going to the league before I got to high school. I was like, man, this is what I want to do. You know what I'm saying? Something got to take the backseat. And it was like school. But then I went to a private school, and so it was hard as shit. And I was like, man. It's crazy, because I had the same mindset. I said the same thing. You had the same feeling. But it's crazy. Your brother did the opposite. Yes. His brother went to school to play receiver. And now play. They switched him to corner. Yeah, Nick Saban switched him to his junior year. He wanted to play receiver. His junior year, he switched him? Or his sophomore year. Like, going on to his sophomore year or junior year, he started playing DB, but still at receiver. So my brother really got a hell of a story. He really kind of played both ways at Alabama. And then he started playing corner. Oh, because his freshman and sophomore year, he played receiver. And they slowly transitioned to corner. He played corner. One of the dopest things I saw was y'all on the Pro Bowl. Oh, my God. What was that like, man? I think it's kind of surreal, too, to a certain extent, because it's like, that doesn't happen. Both of us play, like, one of those positions that compete at a high level. And my brother's nice. Like, my brother ain't no, like, average joke. No, he all pro, yeah. So I kind of. I'll be on his ass about that. Big on big, yeah. Yeah, I'm like this. I'm like this. You did good for yourself. And this will be the first year y'all play each other. Hell yeah, hell yeah. Which, that's what's on schedule right now. Do he want to go one-on-one with you? Hell, he been wanting to go one-on-one. I know. I don't want that so bad. Because he know all your moves from day one. That's what he think, though. I kept a couple up my sleeve. Oh, you kept a couple up your sleeve, though. I had to. In case, days like this, a rainy day, see your own sibling, you know. He does, he does. He watch me close. He study me. He know me well. Yeah, because I was reading your father, your pops died early. So you was like, that's why, you were like, you went to Maryland, right? Yeah, stay at home for him. So you kind of helped. You were like big brother, but also kind of everything to him, right? 100%. That's my man. I had to tighten him up a couple times, though, too. Did you? Yeah, we, he like tried me one time. How old was he? Coming to his own. I think he was in high school. You know, you get high school. Smelling yourself. Yeah, yeah. You got a little emotion. You having your stuff together. And he was like, he had said something slick to me. Like, da-da-da-da-da. Like, you know, call me on my name. I was like. But wait, before this, he was always a little bro, respectful. Ain't never. Then I said, I said, all right, this is what I'm going to do. You know, I'm old school. I waited like two weeks. He thinks, he thinks he died down. I'm still mad. I said, I said, I'm going to see him. So I drove up there. I was, I was waiting in the cut. Like my car got my tent. Everything dark. So my mom pulled up to the house. I watched them pull up. They don't even see me. So I, I turned my car in the front. I pulled up in the front. My brother was like, my brother was like shocked a little bit. Like they was taking groceries in the house. So I hopped out the car. Like, what was all that you was talking about, Holmes? And my mom was like, my mom like gave you that eye like the mom, like, like this, like she going, she going to buy her business. She going to look the other way on this. She going to look the other way. I straight. Oh, you, oh, oh, shit. He didn't see it coming. He took off. And I had a boot on at the time. Wait, wait, you, you got a, you hurt. Yeah, I had broke my ankle in college. I was crippled. I was crippled. I wanted to see my daddy. Yeah, I wanted to see my daddy. My little brother tried me. But that was some family, like real, real time. That's that shit. That's that family shit like that. He never tried me again. That's my, that's my biggest fault. By the way, who fasted? I'm faster than him. He'll argue with you, but check the tape. That's a different demeanor. Well, you don't care. You really don't care about nothing at that point. Nah, nah. When you're in the boot fight. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, you, you, what is wrong with you? I don't know. I'm a little off. You got to be a little off to play football. You got to be a little off. But by the way, your sport, you got to be a little fucking off too. Yeah, you got to be throwing off. You got to be crazy. Do you know you're off? A little bit. You got to be a little bit off. To cut all that weight. Or to punch somebody else. Punch somebody else in the face. And then cut the weight. Yeah, exactly. The weight cuts. What'd you fight at? 35. And what'd you walk like? 150, 152. 150. That's a lot of weight. How do you lose that much weight? You just got to do somersuits. You got to do, you know, you can't, you can't eat. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of sacrifices you got to do. You got to go deep into yourself and just know that you're okay to die. That's what you got to think. Like, I'm okay. I'm just going to make this weight. You're going to be okay with what? Like, you have to think that. Like, you just got to be okay with it. Is that in the contract? Yeah, you got to be ready to die right here. You're like, no, this ain't what I'm signing on for. I thought we was just playing. I thought we was just fighting. No, it's real life though. That's the scariest part, I feel like, for boxing. For me. What age were you when you realized that? Because as a kid, you were just having fun doing it. Now you're a pro. I think I knew I was going to box since I was like nine. I just felt like I was good at it. And I just never, never, never had a doubt in my mind that I was going to become something. Like, in fighting, at least. And then it got real when I was 15. And then I just dropped out of school at like ninth grade, I think. And I just, my family was behind me. Everybody thought I could do it. And then I turned pro at 17. Because I couldn't go to the Olympics. They changed the age groups from 17 to 19. So I made the Olympic team. Then they changed the age groups. And I was like, ah. And they took off the headgear. So I was like, I'm going to fight for four more years without a headgear. I'm not going to get paid. I was like, I'm going to go pro. Fuck that. I'm going to get paid. If I'm going to get hit, I'm going to get paid. I love that. You finna die. You might as well go and get that money. Both of y'all are in a sport where you have to be okay with getting hit. You never liked that shit, right? Yeah, you don't want to get hit hard. But are there guys out there, Stephan, who are like, they're actually like, I won't. Because some linebackers be like, hit me. No, listen. It's periods where you go on phases of you wanting contact. When the season first started or something like that. When you built up enough armor. You've been working out. Like, damn. I'm going to lay some lumber on somebody. But me, I try to avoid it at all costs. Just because I play a position that. Can't be getting hit on You see a guy like Adrian Peterson. We all know he's in one of the greats go to I played on his team, right? So he was one of those people that just like he had to be a little off. He was bald-headed, you know boy If he would usually be like He used to punish people like I got it's plenty of tape out there You can just watch his highlights like it'll be him in the DB and typically a running back save my body I'm gonna step out of bounds and everybody tackle him low so they was diving at his legs and he'll just like dive like low and put all his He wants to course some people like that. It's crazy. You might need it I look he is like a drug like if you if you start to love contact It's like you can't live without it, but I look at you and I say all of this respectfully You're like six foot nothing a hundred nothing pounds. You're a beast. You're a fucking monster. I feel like where's your edge? Like what's your like? Where's your? I think competitive spirit like more so like I put a lot of time and a lot of time into my craft and I watch Myself like a lot of times people get caught up in watching tape or watching somebody else I like to watch myself so I can consistently be inconsistent with what I'm showing you Like I can't keep showing you the same thing if I show you something I'm gonna show you something different and I want to win like I'm saying I believe in myself like y'all can attest if you believe In yourself it kind of sound cliche. I believe I'm that nigga. So like I'm saying I ain't never Didn't think anything else. So when I go in there I go in with the mindset I'm trying to dominate is that what came through because people obviously got pisses you in the sideline Yeah, is that that was what you were showing? I just like it but I always say like playing football you You know how aggressive boxing don't get real now like football is like somewhat of a yeah similar thing Like I'm saying like for people who feel aware about I gotta put it in perspective for you Like our DeMar handling situation like when we kind of like then they lost somebody on the field. That's how physical it is That's how serious it is. So when people refer to it as a game, I like to say like I'm not out there playing It's okay to show emotion like that I'm saying it's okay to be passionate if I'd rather be passionate than somebody that's okay with losing I ain't never going like that And you got it you you seem like the one that rally everybody Because when watching the DeMar thing obviously none of us knew What was going on and then it was like are they gonna play again? I saw you trying to get everybody back together What was that up? Cuz that's a hell of a roller coaster. I think it's like Whatever relationship you have with death like I lost my father when I was very young I've had experience with death with many of my family my friends and like I try to detach myself mentally to a certain extent But in that situation like it was kind of in and out It was so inconsistent like he came to he went and said you saw nobody else saw but we saw the What's this called a heart? Yes flatline Swear to God saw a flatline twice So a flatline they shocked him. He came back and everybody was like it's like a movie It was such a moment of like I don't know like it's hard to hard to describe because it's inconsistent on how to feel like you Don't know if you want to say like guys crying and in that moment like I couldn't do anything But other than if I know DeMar Hamlin personally, which I do like a little bro Get your guys ready to go I'm saying like rally your guys behind him because if you didn't have something to play for you got something to play for now I'm saying of course they ended up ultimately ending the game which was insane probably in the best interest But in that moment if we had to go back out there I know DeMar would have wanted us to play I'm saying because when he came to finally his first words was did we win? And I was like I was like a little iffy like I was like damn Am I messed up or like wanting to try to get guys to play like obviously some guys couldn't but then when he woke up and Said did we win it was like reassuring that? I know I knew I knew I knew my little bro would have wanted me go bump with them Not not go leave. I was thinking about something in a way different spirit you as a comedian Desi Are there ever times you're gonna go on stage and you got life shit, right? You're not in a good mood. Something's happened I ain't worried about that But you gotta go on stage and turn that thing on to be funny and make people laugh like how do you deal with that? Well, I would say it most ever different from social media, you know social media you got takes and you know We come from shooting skits and stuff like that if I mess up, let me do this again But on that stage just you can't say oh, let me do the joke over, you know I'm saying So with that it's just me being you know, a student of the game. That's I study myself You know, I'm saying I work on my jokes every day. I watch the greats You know I'm saying and it's always been a part of me You know I'm saying growing up. I I used to watch the Eddie Murphy's and a Martin Lawrence and you know Working with the people like Mike Epps, you know going on tour with them guys, you know poured into me so much You know I'm saying it helped me so much And let me know, you know, I'm doing exactly what I supposed to be doing right now You know, I couldn't believe you did it because to stand up we stand up as fucking hard Hey, you know you can die in the beginning stage But it's hard to your point and it doesn't necessarily translate meaning people don't understand it's different Genre of comedy still comedy, but a different style most definitely and I would say my shows are totally different from my skits My skits and skits, but some people would be saying That motherfucker show is ten times better than this damn skits because you know what my show is, you know You're learning about me, you know, I'm saying you hear about how I grew up You know I'm saying you hear about what I don't went through, you know, but you hear about my mom my grandmother You know you hear about just really about your purse. Yeah my personal life, but it's more mature I would say, you know, I'm saying it just gets a character. Yeah, you know, I'm saying so is it something you're prouder of? I'm very proud. Yeah, because it to be honest man stand up allow me to like find my real self You know I'm saying tap into my real self tap into their real gift. I want to relate to the people. I feel like if What I'm whatever I'm going through in life. I feel like I feel like people is going through it as well You know, I'm saying or if they're not going through it right now, they don't been through it You know I'm saying so when I'm on that stage, man, I'm just I'm just I'm free, you know, and I'm away from everything. I'm just in that moment You're not afraid to share anything about nothing. I'm like this is it and music for you when you're writing Is it like kind of like I remember? Was it Jada said my heart is beating through the pen like are you letting go of yourself? Like I let go of myself all the time Especially in music, but it's hard for me just being in the country genre because you kind of got a limit what you say Why do you say that? It's just it's a different game Like I have a lot of songs that I write that I can't release but that that I just write and I can say whatever Oh, yeah, I record them. They're just on my phone as demos. I'll never release them and then like I have a song that's the closest thing Or the furthest thing away that I can release that release on my first album is called learning And let's talk about like the racism I went through growing up the child abuse and all this and that was like one of the first Songs that I ever written wrote when I got to Nashville and that was like one of the main things that brought all my fans towards me Not only me being different country music and kind of opening doors for other people. They're just white but Also, just being vulnerable and you know letting people know I'm just real and I'm gonna tell you How I am and that's how I am on stage as well I got on trying I'm super shy offstage and then I get on stage. I just you know Yeah, I just I just open up. My show is never the same I'll say some of the same stuff sometimes but I just you never know what I'm gonna say out and then I start drinking And I just become a comedian But uh, you know, I just yeah, so Oh, I have to do it if I don't like I'm Oh, I'm yeah, I'm doing everything Like there's nothing this is me by myself, but let me ask you You started this and obviously you identify as a country singer. I think you're just a dope artist So talk to me about like do you feel like you're pigeonholed? Is that by design like the country music? I think you just make music great music. Yeah Well when I first well country music is the first genre that I've learned about Tim McGraw's. I like I love it It was the first song I knew I grew up on a dairy farm from Georgia and so Till I got the middle school country music was all I ever knew and then I started learning about Chris Brown and usher when I got to know Yeah, yeah Yeah, dude, I didn't know I never met my dad I didn't mean my dad till I was 16 No, but my brother was white my little brother my mom's white my Nana was white never met any of my blacks out of my family and then in middle school seventh grade There was these two brothers that came they're picking on my nickname was bones. I was like 135 foot seven and He told me he was like move out of my seat. I was like nah, I ain't moving I ain't moving so we ended up getting into a scuffle and then he was like move nigga and It didn't faze me because I didn't know what it meant So then I went home and asked my mom about it and she got pissed You know my it took my little brother to come and tell me that I was biracial I started asking about my dad And that's when that came up and then I ended up meeting him when I was 16 I was a freshman in high school, but it's like that stuff's what? Infuriated me and so now I like going and just telling stories. I do a lot of stuff like the Boys and Girls Club So I bring kids that are unfortunate and can't you know Afford tickets or whatever and I give them like, you know Great seats and just tell them how I was raised and that they can do anything that they put their mind to Like you were saying earlier just as long as you believe in yourself country music isn't the most diverse Yeah, well coming in it was it was tough because I feel like cuz I don't know I got started on Facebook It's doing covers, but most of my comments were I thought he was about to rap because I I have tattoos everywhere, you know, I have my hat on. So that's why a lot of people click the video 'cause they thought I was about to grab it. - Yeah. - And then, and then. - They say, "We got a nigga Eminem in here." - And I think that's what made me go viral. Now, I feel like it's a lot more diverse. We got Jimmy Allen that's in there, Mickey Guyton, a lot more artists that are coming in, Willie Jones. And it's so cool 'cause I feel like I was part of that door that was opening. - But you know, the funny thing is, to get a jacket on with 1619, there was a 1619 project. There was articles in the podcast. Did you listen to it at all? - I didn't. - I think there was six or seven in the series. If you did one on economics, the one on economics was literally about how Wall Street is called Wall Street because the first thing that America traded were slaves, like bodies. And they would get, in England, in the UK, slavery was abolished, but you could still trade. The same way if you own a piece of land, you can go to the bank and go, I got no money, but I'll collateralize this land. You could do it with slaves, right? It was basically black bodies backed mortgages. But she did one on music. Country music is black drama. It's totally, it became American music, but the banjo, the instrument, is from Africa. And then it got appropriated, of course. And now it's funny, now you're sitting here explaining how we're going back into it, but the podcast will blow your mind. - Yeah, no, I mean, it's a super weird place to talk about. You know? - Yeah, I'm sure. - And it's like, I'm always the one that gets brought into it. It's like, they feel like they gotta, you know, ask me about everything. The one time, I never won like a ACM or a CMA award. Like, I never really won any awards unless it's fan voted. Like AMAs, never give, I have, you know, two of the biggest songs in country music, streaming-wise, never got an award for 'em. And I'm getting emotional, baby. But when all the Black Lives Matter stuff comes up, then I win an award, 'cause I have a song called "Worldwide Beautiful." And they're like, that's the most black people I've ever seen on a country music stage, was during that time, during the Black Lives Matter. And then I win my award. - Yes. - And like, when I was accepting that award, it really pissed me off. - Did you say that? - I've told it in interviews. I didn't say it on stage. - Well, you just said it on the show. - Hell yeah. - And do other artists, do you have some artists who have shunned you a little bit, too? I read that somewhere, too, where like-- - When I first came in, I felt like people were kind of skeptical, but that was just because I broke on social media. I was one of the first ones. Now everything's frickin' TikTok. They tell you, if you blow up on TikTok, we'll sue you. - You better be on TikTok. - But other than that, the artists are pretty cool. - Have you ever wanted to walk away? Did any of that shit get so heavy that you're like, man, fuck this shit, it ain't even worth it? - Nah, 'cause I love sitting here with people that are competitive. I'm one of the most competitive people you'll meet. I mean, I know you'll beat my ass, but I'll challenge you right now. Whatever you wanna do. But yeah, man, I'm just competitive, so I just wanna keep growing my resume, and then eventually, hopefully 15, 20 years down the road, I can say I did that. - Speaking of competitive, the fight we all wanna see. - Oh, yes, I was gonna ask you this earlier. - Woo! - Let that left hook go! - King Ryan and Tank Davis. - Not right now, we chillin'. You know, I did whatever I had to do to make the fight happen. In my heart, I pay everything. Everything on the line, you know. Went down to the weight he wanted. Accepted everything he wanted. - 'Cause he's a little smaller than you? - He's smaller than me, but he fought at 140 before. It's just, with me, it's different. He can't fight me at 140, so he said come down to 136. And you know, a lot of people, they got ego, and they'll say, nah, I ain't gonna do what you say. You know, I'm gonna keep on making millions. Like, I could've, you know, fighting anybody, but I said to myself, nah, everybody wants to see this, and I'm not gonna give nobody a chance to get away from it, and that's it. And I'm excited, 'cause this is gonna give me the respect I need. I lied inside, 'cause I've been doing this since I was seven, but they look at me, they don't wanna give me that credit. They don't wanna see me as a real fighter, and this is my chance. I'm gonna take everything. - When you say a real fighter, so what do they see? - Yeah, you know, social media, 'cause of what I blew up from it. And I'm just an analyst. I'm just a visionary. When I was young, I said, this is gonna work, and I'm gonna do it. 'Cause I knew, I just knew that I had the capabilities of blowing up on it, and then I made it happen. - You think you'll beat Tank? - I know I'm gonna beat him, 100%. But I seen the same story since I was coming up in the amateurs. You ain't gonna beat him. You don't even, you can't fight. Your style's weird. You awkward, same things. But then when I get in the ring, how do I pull it off? And to me, it's, I don't listen to nobody. And I know that when I get in the ring, somehow I figure it out, and why, because I, I've been writing notes in my, you know, on the notepad since I was a little kid. Myself, my dad never told me anything. I would just go in my room, and I would break down every position in the ring. And I've been like that since I was a little kid, just a super analyst in my brain. I was just always thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking. So that's what I feel like separates me. - So they say, obviously, styles make fights, right? You know his style. You've seen him fight forever. You obviously know your style. Why do you think your style will work against him? - If you watched him, he fights sometimes B-level fighters, yet still gets hit and loses rounds. Whenever I fight a B-level fighter, I've knocked him out. I've only had one fight that was tough, and I fought a gold medalist. He never fought a gold medalist. It's all an illusion, and I'm here to settle it. - There's two things that I think, that I think is on his side. We've seen him get hurt now. - We know he can respond to being hurt. - We saw him get hurt. - Yes, we've seen his reaction to it. - And that's what the old-timers used to say. You don't know if you're a champion until you get hurt and see how you react. - You ain't never been hurt up until then. - No, I've never been. - So what was that like? - I never got dropped, nothing my whole career. - Tell us what was going on. - You've been knocked down though? - Yeah, the one time, yeah. - How was that? - It was surreal, 'cause I was like, I would never expect that. I'm like, "Damn, he actually got caught." The guy was wet, 'cause I had a fight-- - Show me real quick, come on, let me see. Come hit me. - I haven't fought a guy as tall as me in a long time. So this man was as tall, and when I came up on him, I'm like, "Oh shit, he's bigger than I thought." His shoulders were wide, I'm like, "Oh shit, okay, it's gonna be a fight." So when I was in there, I was taking to him, I was like, "I won the first round pretty easy." And at that time, I was knocking everybody out, so I was like, "I ain't got nothing to worry about. "I'm about to just keep taking it to him." And then I'm fighting him, I'm looking at him, and all of a sudden, I don't know, I just lose concentration for a split second. He throws a shot, I'm just like this, and I get hit. I swear, I just seen like, white. The moment I-- - Wow. - When I got up, I was already standing up, but when I came to, I was standing up. I was like, "Oh shit." I looked at my dad, I said, "Don't worry." I just look at him-- - Did you ever think you was gonna lose? - I can respect that. - In that moment, are you like, "I'm in trouble?" - No, I say to myself, "You're gonna have to finish the job, "'cause I'm right to you." I wasn't hurt. Like, I felt like, a little dizzy, but I said to myself, "I've been worse drunk. "Let's get it." - There we go. - I do wanna touch on Canelo, right? You used to be part of his camp. You guys had a relationship that seemed like big brother, little brother, right? Each other's corner. - Yeah. - And then you recently left that camp. What happened there? - That was a complicated situation. He said some stuff about me in public that I didn't like. But that, you know, I let things go. I forgive people really quick. So I was just like, "Whatever." And I was getting ready for a fight, and a situation happened in the gym. Said I couldn't go at a certain time. I was like, "Man, I don't need this." You know, I've been cool with everybody. I show everybody love, and at a certain point, you just gotta go your separate ways, and-- - What did he say about you in public that you didn't like? - He said that I'm using mental health basically as an excuse, and that I'm wasting time and talent when I was really going through stuff. Like, I was going through-- - What did you go through? - Severe anxiety, panic attacks, depression. I was on the verge of killing myself at one point. - Oh, man. - During that moment, so. - I got moved. - And I talked to him about it. That's why I didn't understand. I explained to him. - Oh, you went to him about it? - Of course. And he acted like he understood. So I was like, "All right." So I just took it on the chin. It took me time, self-reflection. - Therapy. - Therapy, a little bit of therapy, self-reflection, and just understanding that, you know, sometimes you go through things. It's just like a broken arm. You just don't see it. You know, you just gotta let it heal, and then all of a sudden, you come back. 'Cause, you know, a lot of people don't address it, and then they act out, and they make mistakes. 'Cause you don't wanna settle down and just self-reflect. I say it's like taking two steps back to go five steps forward. 'Cause if I keep pushing it, what's gonna happen to me? And the point, I was at the top, I mean, - Yeah. - I mean, I was hot at the moment. I just knocked out Luke Campbell. I was on top of the world. I was feeling good. I was getting paid. Everything was great. You know, social media was popping. Everything was going great. I was on top. I just, like, it was something that I couldn't, I couldn't catch a hold of. I was like, "What is this?" Like, and I would fight it, and I would just go on my runs. I would train. All of a sudden, I'd be, can't breathe. You know, my heart's beating out of my chest. I'm like, "Oh my God, what is going on?" And then it just, it just blew up, and then I just became, you know, kind of self-sabotaged in my old brain. - Something I found super interesting. I thought of you, Desi. It's like, when you went through that, you said you needed to take a step back and got off of social media for a little bit. - Yeah. - You, your career, your platform, your family, has been built on social media, right? So if you're going through some shit, as we all do in life, can you step away from social? Like, how do you look at that? - Uh, I can, but not too long. You know, not too long. They say, "All right, nigga, shit." - I get it. - That's me. I was on your ass, man. - Yeah, yeah. - I need to talk to you. - Yeah. - Is that okay? - That's cool. but I'm just very thankful that right now it's not just social media anymore, you know what I'm saying? I'm doing other things now. So that gave me the leverage to show, I could just post a picture sometimes. - That's cool. - Hey, I'm here. I can put some stuff in my story. It don't have to be a video, you know what I'm saying? So that gave me the leverage. Or I'm at a show, come see me live on stage. You know what I'm saying, if you wanna laugh, you know? So that, I'm just thankful that I took that leap. - You said breathing room, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I took that leap. - 'Cause I had that issue too. I was like, man, I feel like I always had to pose. - That's the biggest misconception though. People are like, oh, you know, you're not even working on anything. It's like, dude, I'm posting these videos 'cause I know it's gonna go viral. Like, I'm not post, like, people don't wanna see angles. They don't wanna see, they wanna see speed or power. That's it. And fun entertainment. That's how I look at social media. It was a game to me. - My little brother actually sent me one of his first videos. This was like years ago. And I was, this was so long ago before, like, you know what I'm saying? Before you, you've been surgical, but before you had like a lot of fights. And I was like, I don't know, I thought he was like, he's gonna be a problem, you know? 'Cause you follow boxing, but if you're not following boxing in detail, you might come across something like this. And I had seen, like, people try to throw criticism in the air, but it's like, shit, like, it's social media. Like, what I'm doing on my day-to-day, you know what I'm saying? You can, I control what you see, you know what I'm saying? - But by the way, talking about that, you went viral recently watching the slap fight, by the way. - No, listen, y'all seen that? - Yes. - It's not boxing. - I'm not a big fan of that. - You went viral watching it though. - I was just watching it and they was, it's like-- - What happened, was he invited? - I just, I was commentating. I'm a good commentator, for real, for real. So, like, if you have any-- - Which way, which way? - Voiceovers. - What'd you say it was? - I had said, I had said-- - I'm a great commentator. - I said, this shit right here crazy as shit. Watch this. And I said, "Oh, shit!" Black people commentate, you know how it is. Like, watching-- - But Steph, you get hit, for real, would you do that? Would you ever do this stuff? - Let somebody slap your shit up? - Hell nah. - I gotta go first. - I've seen somebody, face so small-- - Yeah, ballooned up. - And that guy won instantly. - How'd you get back and won? - That's what tripped me out right now. I was like, yo, this ain't right. - Oh, and he won? - Yeah. - Somebody's in there, real hurt. - By the way, and this didn't seem like his weight class. It's kinda-- - The dude was way bigger than him. - Come on, thicker than him. - His face was smaller. His eye was closed. - Like, his nostril closed. He couldn't even breathe on this one. - And he came back and won. - On this one? - On this one. - He came back and won. - Everything just went nostril. - This one was just-- - I don't want none of that smoke. - None of that smoke. - Have you ever, when you got to the league, what was the first hit where you was like, oh yeah, this is different than college? - Actually, it wasn't even me that got hit, so it was my first year in the league, and it was Adrian Peterson and Cam Chancellor. So we was in the playoffs, actually. This was Minnesota versus the Seahawks. - Seahawks, yeah. - So Seahawks still had the Legion of Boom. They still had some pieces in there. They still was spicy. I was a youngin' out there. I was like thuggin'. I'm like, shit, I'm out here, so I'm supposed to be out here. I seen them run through the hole, I swear, it's the loudest I ever seen, like, shoulder pads and helmets. - Collision. - And listen, I'm like, I can't see it. I heard it. - 'Cause you're blocking. - I heard it. I'm fake blocking, you know how it is. So I got my hands on somebody, you know what I'm sayin'? You know, you got a little relationship with the D.V. They don't wanna tackle you. - Yeah, they don't wanna tackle you. - I'm touchin', I'm pushin' 'em a little bit, and all I hear is crack. And you ever, like, get frightened by a noise? - Of course. - And I'm blockin' somebody, I heard crack. I was like, I was like. - I was like, oh my God! - You was like, oh, this is different. - It was crash course, and then they kinda, like, stalemated, and then they kinda, like, fell, like, to the side, I was like this. Yeah, this is what it's all about, all right? - Yeah, this is real. - You know, they can't really hit us no more. You can't really hit a receiver, and it's really, I mean, I look at it as in, look, you hit me, you losin' money. How many people wanna lose money? So I run over there with a lot of concern, like, there you hit me. There you hit me. - Hey, look at you, look at you. - I can point at it, I can point your ass out. - I can point at it. - Look at him, look at him. - Look at him. - Look at him. - Come on, that's right. - So y'all, that's funny, 'cause they, they won't offer the league, so you consciously know that as a receiver. - You know it, and they know it. - 'Cause you can't get a defensive receiver cannot get hit. - And older guys, you know, they don't respect that, 'cause back in the day, like, everybody was hard, you was hittin', and I'm like this, I understand, but like, I'm just in a different time. I appreciate my time, you know what I'm saying? If it was back then, I would be what y'all was on. - Yeah, yeah. - That's why I was a little off. - Who the best DB, who the best DB y'all went against? - It's crazy, 'cause when I was a youngin', like, my first year, I took all my lumps, like, by that I mean I took all my L's, like, from the best guys, like, 'cause I went against, I went against Richard Sherman as a rookie. I went against Patrick Peterson as a rookie. I went against Sam Shields, he was in Green Bay. I saw a lot of guys, and on the schedule, it kinda taught me that shit. As a youngin', you'll take your lumps, you know what I'm saying? You'll learn from 'em, but you gotta take your lumps, and those were Hall of Fame guys. Everybody I named, damn near a Hall of Fame player, or going to Canton at one point, so I feel like I learned so much about myself. Like, if you're a real competitor, you can take a loss, you know what I'm saying? Like, for example, like, getting knocked down. Like, you took that moment and kinda, like, created, like, shit, like, man. - It's motivation. - Yeah, like, I'm on to the next. I'm back in the ring bumpin'. Like, to me, I took those lumps. I said, all right, I learned myself. I got back in the lab in the off season. I said, I promise you this next year, I got something for y'all ass. I jumped off the fan hot. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna be ready when the whistle blows. - You was ready to get out of Minnesota? - Yeah, that's, I can tell you, like, that was probably one of my most, my darkest times, like, my real dark times. Like, people don't really understand what it's like. - Wait, in the whole time in Minnesota? - Nah, just like towards, like, the end of my last two years because, like, you don't know what it's like to go into a hostile environment or go to work and not feel comfortable, you know what I'm saying? Not feel, not feel like it's a safe haven, not feel like it's just a workspace. So for me, wanting to get out of there, it was bigger than just the situation. And it just, I kinda experienced a little bit of that this year as far as, like, going in a dark place a little bit, just because I had some PTSD, you know what I'm saying? Like, in Minnesota, it was just like. - What was it in Minnesota that took you, took you there? - I just, I felt like I had potential and I didn't wanna be an unsung hero. Like, I didn't wanna be second fiddle to nobody. I felt like I believed in myself enough that I could, you know what I'm saying, lead a team. - And you felt like you was second fiddle to Adam? - Yeah. - Or you felt like he was the number one? - Yeah, that's what, that's how I was slated. It was like, they treated me like a number one, but then at times, it kinda like, they played me small. So it was kinda like a little bit of a mind game as well, like being young and just being there. And I felt like it was such, it was a moment of like, of rejoice 'cause I was like this, "Damn, I need to take my own life into my own hands." Like, and it was rolling the dice. Like, this ain't boxing, I'm not just by myself. Like, this a whole team. Like, this shit could go sour real quick. So when I wanted to get out of there, I was like, you know, when I tweeted, I was like this, I think it's time for a new beginning. That was me betting on myself. And it's odd, people don't even notice. - But what was you and Adam's relationship? - Great, that's my bro. Like, I ain't no hater, like, you know what I'm saying? I love bro to death, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I love seeing them have success, but I just knew for me, I just wasn't going for it. Like, I'm like, listen, I love what y'all got going on, but it ain't necessarily the best situation for me. And there's nothing wrong with that, you know what I'm saying? You know, teams always look out for the best interests of they selves. And I never wanted to rub anybody the wrong way because my reputation was to, I worked hard, you know what I'm saying? I kept my nose clean, I did what I was supposed to do. So when the rumors came out that I was a diva or I was this or that, I was like, man, that's water off my back, I don't care. I know what I bring to the table and I know what type of man I am. In any profession, all you want to do is reach your full potential, you know what I'm saying? And if you're not reaching your full potential because of, not because of you, that's a problem. You have more, you have, it's a battle within yourself. You have more questions than you have answers, you know what I'm saying? And for me, I just, I can't navigate in that world. I gotta know, because I know for a fact that when they whistleblow, I'm gonna be ready, you know what I'm saying? For me, it's always about the bigger picture, you know what I'm saying? What I want for myself, what I want for my family. I would never, I'm not compromising that. I can't compromise that, 'cause I'm gonna have to answer it to myself when you look in the mirror like this. Could you have changed it? - Yeah, but, and y'all team is so fucking good. What'd you think y'all missing in Buffalo to get y'all over there? - It doesn't make sense, like, I will wreck my brain with this shit at this point because my first year I got there, we went to the AFC Championship. So if you really look at the grand scheme of things, like Minnesota sent me to Buffalo not to have the career that I've been having. - No. - You know what I'm saying? You think, when people think of Buffalo, for example, you remember AB almost got traded to Buffalo? - Totally. - And he was like, that's fake news. Nah, he really did get traded. He just was like, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't push. So for me, I felt like they sent me there for like, you know what I'm saying, for shit not to go well, in my opinion. - To die, basically. - Yeah, in my opinion, but, you know what I'm saying? Things ended up going, we went to the AFC Championship. The next year we lose by what, 13 seconds? Little shit like this is like. - This was your third year in Buffalo? - This is my past third year. And then this year we lose. - Who did y'all lose to in the first AFC Championship? - KC. - And what are you missing to get over the hump in your, are you missing anything? Is it execution? - I think it's more execution than anything. Shit is small little pieces on why shit is not going right. And I'm like this, you can wreck your brain. Like we got the players, we got the plays. Why shit ain't coming together? And I'm like, that's when you draw so much question. And I never want to question, like, who I am. I never want to question how I am. I'm giving this shit everything I got. I'm dying on the hill with that, you know what I'm saying? So. - And do you, you the best in the world? - I see you. - A hundred percent. I never, if people like, you can debate it, like. - I think it's three that are, I love JJ and I think he's amazing. It's too early. And Chase. - Yeah, sure. - You, Devontae. - I was about to say, you gotta throw Tay in there. - Tay's footwork is insane. - I love Tay, that's my man. - You, Tay. I heard, I seem to agree, Tyreek is not a natural catcher, but he's the, he's one of the best in the league. He's not like a hand, like you and Tay. - That's true. - You're a body catcher? - Yeah, but I know, like, I think some might argue with, like, Tyreek Hill not being that. Listen, let me explain something to y'all. I just can't stress this enough. He's the fastest person in the league. - He's by far, right? - I went to a practice and on the sideline, the coach was telling him, like, he need to slow down 'cause he was moving so fast. - Yeah. - They was monitoring his speed. - He wanted them, he wanted them. - Yeah, it was crazy. - He definitely, he one of the greatest athletes I've ever seen. - That's what I'm saying, like. - You ever seen him hoop? - Nah, I never. - Lefty, go dunk. - We just hooping, man. - We just hooping. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We love you. - We just hooping in Vegas. - Yeah, we had like a little celebrity game. You can't hoop, I know you can't hoop. - You can box, you can't hoop. - God don't give you all the time. - He can have everything. - Like I said, just see me, I'm good. - You ain't rolling. - I can't see. - Just don't leave me open, I promise. - I don't look like Andy, I don't look like him. - You look like he can hoop. - Why, 'cause I got the curtain going on? - I know he can. - I can hoop. - You can hoop for sure. - I know he can. - He can hoop. - Hey, stop, hey, stop riffing. - He just came up, he just talked about this earlier and he said, "Believe." - When I'm on that court, I'm believing. - Let's be realistic, let's be realistic, though. Let's be realistic. - You can hoop. - I can really hoop, though. - You hooped high school. - Yeah, but if I really put this football shit down and then say, "Let's dedicate my life to it." - Oh, you gonna hoop? - Damn. - I could really do that. - Oh, you could go to the NBA. - 100%, I could do, I could average at least 10. - I got a text message on my phone from Jimmy Butler saying I could hoop, that's all I'm gonna say. - That is not a stamp, though. - Got them hats on. - Got them hats on. - Got wings. - Got wings. - Got wings. - With the lemon pepper sprinkles. - Got that motherfucker with the wing chin and niggas. - Pulling up niggas. - So you hoop all the time? - Yes, I put an NBA court in my house. During COVID, I put like a big-ass workshop, and so I got like a gym and a basketball court, golf simulator. - Oh, shit. - And all that stuff in my house. - Studio at the house? - Yeah, studio. - Should've came over to your house during COVID. - Yeah, I'm about to say that. - They came. - You cut records right there, too? - Yeah. - You write with a team or you write by yourself? - They, bunch of different writers come in and out, but I usually have like my favorites. - You always write in the studio or you write in the car? How do you do it? - Studio. - By the way, y'all know how he got started? - Closet. - Somebody heard you singing. Didn't you, weren't you working? - I was working at Lowe's. I was singing in the paint department. - And somebody heard him sing. - Really? - He lying. - Yeah, yeah. - You were by the Sherman Williams? - Yeah, I was mixing. - Yeah, I know how it goes. - And what, you was just singing? - Yeah, it was one of my boys that was, that went to high school with me. He was like, I gave him cold chills, so he was like, do the talent show. So I did the talent show and I got a standing ovation, so I did another song. And then I went on like American Idol and X Factor and The Voice. - Oh, what? - You was on X Factor? - Yeah, I made X Factor and they tried to put me in a boy band. - Yeah. - And something told me don't do it. Like I followed my heart and I just said no. And then a couple of years later, I have my own record label and I ended up signing that band that they tried to put me in. - Wow. - Really? Oh, but wait, but wait. No, wait, wait. I can't skip it. This is a very important question. Did you ask, actually like the boy band or you just did it to make it, like? - No, because they were both great. They're all great guys. And the lead singer at the time, his name was Colton. He's in the band now. He was like the center of attention of everybody that was trying out. Everybody that made it, he was the center of the circle. Like I hated him. - Oh. - I tell him today, like I was like, I hated you, dude. - That's like, that's like going back to buy the restaurant you used to work at just to close it down. - Yes. - I respect that. - So, Ken, if I heard you correctly, you have a record label. - Dude. - You're signing acts. Always looking for great talent. Desi, one thing I feel you don't get enough credit for, you got bars. You got some bars. - Hey, man. - Were you in the studio? - I'll be in the studio, bro. I got a whole song out with Boosie Manor right now. - What's it called? - It's out right now? - Right now, it's been on iTunes for like a year. - Play it real quick. - Oh, I see. - Oh, just you wrote it yourself? - Just spit it. Just spit it. - Oh, no, it's gonna come right now. - No, it won't be too long at all. - You got it? - Right here. - Let's do it. - You got a minute. - Put on your mic. - Stupid. - Oh, no. - It's gonna go crazy. - Y'all ain't want me to do it, right? - Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. - Why do I have to do this? - Pulling up in this motherfucker turtledale, y'all niggas all. We playing game. Pop, pop, pop, pop. Down, nigga. Down, nigga. Down, nigga. - Yo, this is the worst song I ever heard. Yo, yo, damn. - Get this shit away. - Yo, there's just nothing else. Get this shit. - Get this out. - Yo, y'all niggas all. Nigga, how the fuck you do it? - There's no way. I promise you. - Yo, shit, nigga. - It's flat. - I don't give a fuck. 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