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Globales Dialoge bei Women on R. Die Dialogmundios für Women on R. Prägname Cerencia Iwingmus. Im Missionsschule Feminism. Mieg Bobby, mein Thema Tapou Massaforo. Nachzuhören auf N.O.S.O. Punkt AT. Punkt AT. Hallo und ein warm willkommen zu Globales Dialogge. Die Weekly-Radio-Show bei "The Women on R". Hier auf Radio Orange. Ich bin Andrea Zellinka. Und heute haben wir über Feminism und Militärism gesprochen. Ich bin zu Kamakshi & Zaza. Sie wirken für die "Asian-Pacific Forum" auf "Women, Law & Development". Ein Membership-Driven-Organisation mit ca. 300 Members von 32 Countries in der Region of Asia und Pacific, looking at Issues on Women's Human Rights. Wir sprechen mit der Webinar-Serie "No to Militärism" und "Imperialist Wars", "Feminist Peace & Justice Now". Und why the APWLD decided to start this campaign against Militärism? We led a series of convenings and a lot of grassroots research. They really showed that the root cause of militarism is not really just conflicts happening on its own. There's a structural root cause of militarism which is rooted in imperialism, annualism, capitalism, capitalism. Global South has always been an arena of exploitation by the Global North. Why it is really important to look at a Pacific, especially when you are someone in Europe, trying to understand a militarized world order? The Pacific, especially, is really, really impacted by the intersection of imperialism and militarism. Their lands have been occupied for maintaining military bases and militaries facilities, militaries, Guam, the northern Marion Islands. They are really, the martial islands have been really been converted into sites of military operation, and a lot of those sites are then used in imperial wars. And which role women play in dismilitarized realities on the ground? What is the reality of women vices? How women are resisting in the grassroots community? And which is sidelined by the bigger conversation in peace table? But these are the reality of the woman life, daily life, right? And of course, we talked about so much more. So I really hope you enjoyed this talk as much as I did. Let's go. (upbeat music) Hi, Andrea. I'm Kamachi. I'm Basin Delhi, India. And I'm the Program Officer for the Women in Power Program at Keshe Pacific Forum on Women's Law and Development. And I'm meeting with the Program's efforts on the campaign, which says no to militarism and imperialist wars. The feminist peace interest is now. Yes, I'm Zaza and originally from Bermam Yama, currently working with Kamachi as a program associate and supporting the team. And then yes, we are the team that lead in campaign against militarism. Yes. So you're both working for the Asian Pacific Forum on Women's Law and Development. How do you work? Can you tell me more about the organization? And what range of topics are you working on? Epitaphially, that's the Asia Pacific Forum on Women's Law and Development is over 40 years old feminist regional organization. We are a membership driven organization. And when I say membership driven, it means our members are the ones who guide our strategic planning and all our initiatives towards addressing issues of women's human rights. We follow our political philosophy, which is all the PGFM framework, which is patriarchy, globalization, fundamentalism and militarism. That's really the foundation of the United WLD's political analysis and our lens of looking at issues of women's human rights. Because we see all issues that are impacting in terms of neoliberal development, in terms of fundamentalism in patriarchy, and also rising authoritarianism, militarism and fascism. That's our overarching political analysis and we see how those impact women's human rights, because women are always at the intersection of all these political processes. And we work on a range of issues. We have total nine programs, including our program, which is the Women Empower Program, which looks more critically at the issue of militarism and in some parts, women's human rights. Our other programs include the Women Workers Program, which is the Labour Program, which looks at the rights of women workers. We also have a migration program on migration that looks at the issues of women migrants and the program on climate justice, which looks at how climate change is impacting women. We also have a program for making out of marginalization, which looks at the issues of rural and indigenous women, especially women farmers, kids, and the issue of personality. So we have pros like nine programs, looking at these non-realistic issues. That's really broad range of issues. It's very impressive. Such as anything you would like to add to that? Yes, just to add on the membership, when we are talking about membership, it comes from the grassroots organisation to national level organisation in our member, and we have over 300 members from 32 countries across Asia-Pacifics. So they are the one who guiding us to our politics, in the movement in the movement in Asia-Pacifics. So a lot in communication with grassroots movement all the time. From August to September this year, you are voting an online webinar series called not to militarism and imperialist wars, feminist peace and justice now, based on which thoughts or which analysis you also already mentioned that your membership driven, but which kind of analysis arose that you decide to put this webinar series together? And what are the contents of each meeting? So as I said, the Women in Power program, it started with looking at women's participation in political processes. But during APWL, these five-year strategic planning in 2022, there was a lot of emphasis on exploring militarism, not just as an overarching political framework, but as a cross-matic issue and how to look at how that impacts women's human rights. So initially we wanted to explore how women's participation can impact or bring out more democratic or more non-militarized governance. But as we dealt deeper, we went into consultation with our members. So we used to call them convenings, regional convenings, where we invite grassroots organizations from our region, including our members and non-members. So there were a lot of allies that we could also forge during this process. So we were working with other regional and global organizations also in this process. So we started this back in 2023. And through 2023 to 2025, we led a series of convenings and a lot of grassroots research. It's a structural root cause of militarism, which is rooted in imperialism and neoliberalism and capitalism, because global South has always been an arena of exploitation by the global North. And whenever the usual tactics of neoliberalism don't work, the global North always comes with the tactical militarization, screen layers and colonialism, and then led by imperialism. Our countries have faced imperial attacks and imperial exploitation. For example, I mean, all of us know about the Korean War and the Vietnam War and how they were failing imperialist struggles. And you know, the idea of tackling, under the guise of tackling communism, they gave more and more wars in military. to our region, the effects of which continue to till date, but even in conflicts which are terms so for local, for example, in West Papua, which would be considered a conflict between Indonesia and West Papua, but there are corporations, especially by the US, who are mining the lands in West Papua. So they are mining gold and they are mining copper and they are extending and they really want to mine now. Critical minerals also in West Papua, there are also agreements happening there. In Pakistan, we have critical mining that's happening, that's again creating a lot of militarization in already militarized zones, for example, Bangladeshistan, you know, areas like that, which might appear as local at the onset, but if we look down deeper, they are, you know, imperialist struggles, imperial, imperial challenges of, you know, acquiring our lands and natural resources that people sell. And the Pacific especially is really, really compacted by the intersection of imperialism and militarism. A lot of their lands have been occupied for maintaining military bases and military facilities, Philippines, Guam, the Northern Marian Islands, they are really, the Marshall Islands have been really been converted into sites of military operation and a lot of those sites are then used in imperial wars, such as the recent ones. So that's how, you know, to work convenings to one of these, getting to know these experiences from the grassroots, we could really make that with a political analysis and understanding of militarism, as it's not just, you know, one of them, but it's a new slide in imperialism. And actually we had also one webinar last year, which was really talking about these intersection last year and December. And from there on, we conceptualized this campaign, which is called "Multi-Militarism" and we missed wars, feminists and just as now. Because we really want to put forward our political analysis and our grassroots derived definition of feminist peace, which is not just, you know, putting women in the peace consultations or putting women in militaries, which is given by the women in security agenda, but it's more about, you know, the feminist political understanding of peace and rooting out peace or, you know, maintaining peace from a structural perspective and rooting out militarism from its structural boots of colonialism and imperialism and capitalism. Can I just ask in between what does your understanding of imperialism, so our listeners can understand it as well? I mean, theoretically, we can say, you know, imperialism is the highest form of capitalism, that's the kind of theory that come in, you know. So, but for if it will be, we imperialism is an attack on sovereignty of the global South, especially the Asian, the Pacific region. It's an attack on our resources, our natural resources, and also on our labor and in extracting the labor of the global South, especially within our region and extracting our lands, be it for, you know, so far development of the global North or be it in maintaining their hegemonic power because in establishing all these military bases across, you know, Japan, South Korea, and in the Pacific, it's also done for creating that economic dependency and keep extracting our resources because a lot of these are very vital points of trade also. So, a lot of trade that happens between the global North and global South, sorry, between Asia-Pacific and other global North nations, these are very, very important trade routes, which are then also militarized. So, our idea of imperialism is really an attack on our sovereignty of, on, you know, our lands, our waters, and our labor, which is really taken away in context of militarization. It's taken away by, you know, explicities of course, but other contexts taken through, you know, so called neoliberal policies, and it's the national structure and so on. Sandra, do you want to talk about the contents of the webinars shortly because there are different focuses for each webinar? Yes. So, for each webinar, we were designed to make it more deep in our analysis from the feminist analysis on militarism. So, from that content, we were laying out what we, how do we analyze feminist militarism, right? Then, we also have to be able to share the ground, what is the reality of woman vises, how women are resisting in the grassroots community, and which is side-line by the bigger conversation in peace table. So, that's why the second webinar is more focusing on the witnessing resistance of the community, right? Then, the next webinar is also, the resistance is not just a community level, it is also in our transformation, like we are collaborating in solidarity with different content of different resistance happening for the militarism, because when we are talking about militarism, it's not just about military basis, but it's the ideology of militarizing our economy system, our ideology of development. So, that's why we are interconnecting when we are talking about the differentiation of different resistance on the militarism in different perspectives, but the same content that is the ideology of the imperialists and militarizing system that influence in and controlling our resources and lands. So, that's why we have the grassroots to national, to the global level, solidarity and resistance movement that happening. So, the third webinar is focusing on that, and the fourth webinar will be highlighting on the impact of the climate issue in our society, especially the recent EMO and more resource extraction is happening, and then mining, these are causing our environmental issue, but not really addressing and giving the time, because this impact is going to be lifelong, is going to be decayed. The profit that they are providing at the moment is just for years, very near future that we are seeing, but that even that profit is not going into the public, people who are living in those community that is totally deriding to others' sources. So, that's why the webinar was designed in a way that highlighting the different perspective. Of course, the first webinar was impacting our feminist analysis on the militarism, because you already included the environment and the impact of militarism on the environment. I remember there was some one of the panelists in the first webinar, who also he was from Stockholm University or something, and he was also putting out the numbers, laying out the numbers. How much CO2 emissions? I mean, there are no real numbers. You also said that there are no real numbers, because actually they don't have to make that transparent, the governments, how big the impact is through the military and the environment. What role does AI play? So, for our webinar series, if you see, actually connected one is connected to the other. So, we started with political analysis, then we went on more deeper into the grassroots experiences, and then on the resistance from grassroots to regional to transnational. And we included the issue of climate, because our climate justice team has also been working on context of militarism, and it was really a crucial point to also bring forward, because we see that, you know, militarism is only impacting people who are targeted, or the communities who are targeted, but no, that's not the case. It's impacting everybody in terms of impacts on climate, and also it's the rising military budgets, which take away all the budgets from our welfare policy. So, the impact is huge. So, that's why we voted, you know, multiple perspectives on the AI. So, our understanding for AI is also coming from grassroots. As I said, you know, now there's going to be deep sea mining in the Pacific, and then there are critical minerals that are being, you know, mined. So, there are agreements, the US and Pakistan have had any such agreement, where they would be doing critical mineral mining in Pakistan, and then critical mining happening in Indonesia and US again having an agreement, and they're going to find critical minerals in West Papua, which is a militarized land already. So, our understanding of AI starts from there, because all of these Minerals are really needed for what? Yeah, he did for making chips, which are semiconductors, which are the news in you know, data centers. And then again, these data centers are taking away lands of more and more people. So see, there are a lot of resistance against data centers now. So, our analysis of AI starts from the very grassroots, you know, taking away the resources that I was also saying because all of the resources are coming from the lands of the most marginalized communities in the global south. And then our our our members and partners from Guam have been you know, fighting against it's mining, which is going to, you know, soon begin in their waters in the Pacific. So, a lot of, you know, these communities were already militarized will be more and more impacted when we look at AI. And you know, the what resources are needed to power AI and data centers on those technologies. And then obviously, we see how AI is now weaponized. We have seen it in Gaza. We have seen it also in Iran's context. But even in our own communities in Asia and Pacific, in the Philippines, in Guam, they were not to, you know, surveillance systems now being developed and used against human rights defenders and human human rights defenders. There's not a important part of what on these communities for now. But whenever we know that our countries are also exporting, importing these technologies from the global north, which is developing these technologies and using against citizens against human rights defenders, so for us the impact of AI is huge from the onset of taking our resources to the point of using against our own citizens by our own grounds. So, the whole cycle, you know, for us, very, very devastating AI for the communities who are already marginalized. Yes, I just wanted to add a bit on the AI content and the data center that need resources to co-down all these water resources are going to dangerous data centers and people are suffering from the shortage of the water, fresh water resources. So, that is the physical, like, you can see immediately the impact the resources I dive right in from way to way. And then, but who is making the profits? That is our analysis. The natural resources are going to data center, but who is making the profits? And the who is giving up of our resources. So, yeah, that is the first analysis, when we are talking about AI, it can always come with the idea of innovation, technology innovation, right? This innovation is not just AI, but the technology innovation has been reshaping our day-to-day lifestyle and working culture. And for example, it is a gap work like delivery services. And those delivery workers have been experiencing like the new form of labor. They are fully providing their labor, but they are not category, and the category of labor anymore. They are not getting all the labor benefit like social services and then also the sustainability of their job and job insecurity, facing. And yes, these are the idea of innovation and then developing to digital format of working culture. And now it's more and more creating the AI content. And then, where do we go in? So, for the ability we are analyzing, do we really need this AI in our life? One, the global south, especially, is way behind and we are and our militarized content. AI is the next issue, the next level issue that we're going to face. One before we solve our militarized content. [Music] [Music] Regarding the environmental impact, we also have an Austrian, a struggle against the data center by Google that should be built in Apple Austria just yesterday, activists occupied until Google threatened them with civil lawsuits that would be very costly. And but the struggle is ongoing and this forced infrastructure building is really all around the world. And also our government in Austria, there is no analysis of the impact it has on the environment because somehow there's always behind a little door that they can use to get what they want. So I also think that this is also a possibility again for a new internationalism and to connect internationally. And the other thing I wanted to say or I want to talk about as from a perspective of a recipient of the webinar because when it comes to the analysis of the problem, I already understood through your webinar that there may be three pillars of militarization. Maybe you want to add to them. The first one would be the military industrial complex and government and governments which build material military infrastructure because just the other day, I looked at one of the slides of one of your panelists from the last webinar from Japan. And then there was like this map of all the military bases of the US. And I was like, like it's real places. I mean, we talk about arms and you always see like the weapons, but it's also real infrastructure networks. They build all around the world and I think it's worth mentioning to not forget about them. And also of course, the question of who produces the armaments and who profits, but also what you said, Zaza, maybe we can talk about this a little bit, the case of surveillance and that we don't only produce them for armed conflicts and wars, like which is so exceptional in our heads, but it's really a general thing. Like this impacts us on a general everyday level. I think really I rightly wanted out the military industrial complex in being one of the most crucial factors that leads to militarization. And it is this hand in glove, the corporations being hand in glove with imperial nations and even the governments of the global South, human-ish Pacific. So, the Japan producing more and more weapons and more and more technology. And even the tech companies now, all of them are really supporting the industrial complex. So, it's really the bedrock of militarization. So, the interest of the corporations, including the tech corporations, aligned with the political interests of imperialism and acquiring other nations, resources, lands. So, that's really one of the very critical analysis that we wanted to put forward. And we've also seen these corporations, profits and revenues rising, even amid COVID. And obviously, most of the Russia Ukraine war and the Gaza genocide and the US Iran war. So, all of these corporations have had a lot of profits. They've made a lot of profits during this time period. And even during the COVID, a lot of our own governments in the Asia Pacific were still investing in surveillance technologies in weapons. And as I said, for example, in India, our government, you know, is importing all of these technologies from Israel and everywhere and using it one ordinary citizens and even when they are protesting for their basic rights, such as, you know, education, you know, health and food. A lot of surveillance technologies are being used in the recent protests in India which were by the young people demanding, you know, pair education. So a lot of these technologies were used by the police, you know, by the state police and a lot of the young girls, you know, young students, both girls and both men and women were in a survey and all of their data was put out on social media as well, you know, their privacy was influenced all of their data, some, you know, their photos, their addresses were even put out by the right wing, the right wing government supported, you know, elements in our country, you know, a lot of harassment that happened to the women. So it has not had consequences for women, first women are always an easy target, especially young women, you know, who are just, you know, demanding their pair education, you know, there was a 15-year-old girl who actually said something about the government and then she was made to issue a public apology and, you know, all her details had address, her videos were, you know, their social media, so people were, you know, even going and harassing her and her single mother, and they eventually had to leave, you know, their home, their rented home and shipped to another place. So it has real time, perhaps, all the surveillance that's happening. Obviously, Gaza is a more, you know, why, in the case of seeing, you know, that they're using all of these software technologies to really target men, or Palestinian men, women, both. But even in general, in circumstances, there are not surveillance that's happening, and a lot of women, human rights defenders are being targeted using these technologies in our region, and all the tech companies and all the corporations that are involved, they are the ones who are making profits on both all these and all our resources, our governments are really happy to spend on all of this instead of spending on better education, better health, and better facilities for our citizens. Yeah, I think it's very important to point that out that these technologies are very vastly translated into an everyday usage that will affect all of us because this is something in Europe, of course, people always think, yeah, that's not affecting us, blah, blah, blah, you know, but it's not true. And this is also connected to the second pillar, which is the cultural one of the social one, that's something that we observed a lot in the recent years in Europe, especially, in Austria, which is a neutral country, but especially also in the German-speaking area in Germany, for example, like to prepare the young men, especially men to defend an abstract and obscure nation, a notion of a nation against some constructed enemy. And we also see already legislation for that, we just had a new law putting out in Germany that says that if young men with the age of 18, they have to tell their city office if they want to leave the country for more than three months. So this is not in place yet, it's not enacted yet because there was resistance to it, but it's there. So it's really a preparation of war and also, of course, to really change the mind and hearts to prepare them, that this is a total normal thing to kill people somewhere in order to defend some idea of something, but really you're just defending the capital and the power structures of your imperialist country. In this case, and then the third thing, and this was not so, I didn't think about this to mention, it's very interesting for me to learn about it, more is the global financial system and how the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund make imperialist military regimes possible. Can you tell me more about this too? And the cultural aspect is, for example, always the other, like for example, in South Asia, the war on terror had a very huge impact because it was so easy to target, you know Muslims in Kuwait about the mysterious and then it hasn't had a huge impact on South Asia and you know, the India-Pakistan conflict that always keeps happening on that issue. And then the media is a very important, there's a huge role in, you know, meeting that cultural, normalizing that culture, actually the culture of military and sea and killing people. So even in the India-Pakistan conflict that happened last year in 2025, the media was really, really crucial in normalizing the narrative of war that, you know, these countries are now at war and it's spoken to me at war so that I agree with, you know, that second foundation of militarism is also the cultural one because even in South Korea, the culture of conscription, every young man has to go through, I think, within three years of conscription, mandatory conscription. So it's there in South Korea and that also has, again, a lot of cultural aspects involved. In the context of international financial institutions, we brought this in our campaign because we also have a lot of, we also have that institutional understanding of how these institutions as neoliberal, as markers of neoliberal policies actually have, you know, devastated the global South. From the very beginning of the WLD, we had that understanding of how these neoliberal institutions function and actually World Bank came into existence post the World War II known the sideline, the World War II, noticeably for reconstruction work. From the historical context, we know that, you know, the kind of support that was provided to European countries for rebuilding themselves post World War II is not the kind of arrangements that happen with countries in the global South. So if there is a post-confect country in the global South, most likely it's given loans, it's given which have huge interest rates, huge conditionalities really open up their markets until as these conflict, you know, countries which are impacted by conflict open up their markets, these institutions don't provide these grants, you know, which was not the case that happened post World War II, Europe was provided a lot of grants to rebuild itself, but when it comes to the global South, it's not grants, it's loans on the conditionalities of opening up markets and opening up markets in the way for extraction by foreign investors. So these are the conditionalities, these the World Bank and IMF really put on conflict, post-conflict context, especially in Asia Pacific, you can see Timor Leste is one example, you know, where they wanted the country to really open up and, you know, use its oil resources rather than, you know, building its agriculture or building, you know, these facilities education, another infrastructure, that happened, but the primary impetus was given on opening up new resources for oil extraction, where in the US and in Australia and a lot of other global North countries, party to those agreements and contracts, and IMF went back, but really, you know, also supporting all of this, we see now that the World Bank's president is on the Gaza Board of Peace, which is not a surprise, but it's really out there for everybody to see how these institutions have complicit in in supporting, you know, these militarized policies led by the imperial nations, and not just like they supported, but even their own policies, a lot of the neoliberal policies that they force on on on our on the global South nation, especially in the Asia Pacific, Sri Lanka and Pakistan have been examples of how IMF debt has ravaged, you know, these countries, especially the marginalized communities, Sri Lanka obviously, you know, had a huge uprising in opposition to the IMF debt, so that's also very, very crucial to understand how these institutions, if I, all their responsibilities, they don't even acknowledge that their, their human rights should be part of their framework or their policies, there was no really acceptance of, you know, basing their work on human rights, so that's why, you know, they are the architects of neoliberal devastation that happens in the global South. They really at the forefront of it, obviously led by the imperial nations because the leadership is always coming from the US and Europe context of the American world and global South nations, hardly have any say in these institutions and even more in regional voting rights when policies are being made. So there's obviously a relationship where we consider these institutions as imperial institutions and they mediate a lot of human rights violations in that context. The webinar does not only analyze the problem and describe the problem but you give like first hand accounts of what is happening on the ground. How women and women's movements are resisting the militarization on the ground? Can you maybe tell us of some examples of how grassroots women's movements are defying what is happening and also in your point of view what is needed to reverse this development of increasing militarization in Asian, the Pacific and worldwide? Intention was to really highlight how women are resisting struggling under these structural operation especially the ones who are at the forefront of surviving militarism. So that's what speakers from Hawaii, Philippines, Japan and then now from Guam and some people who are also approaching regional and transnational human movements. So that was the intention. Some of the examples that came in during the second webinar include participants from Hawaii, Japan, Philippines, Afghanistan and how they are working trying to resist militarization in their context. So there's a speaker who was talking about how not just the military bases that are there in Okinawa but it's also the ammunition facility is now being created in Kyoto and Kyoto is a big city in Japan so it's impacting everybody and it's a pan problem now. So what they're doing is that they are working together. So women groups in Kyoto are working together with women groups in Okinawa to really come together and you know mount pressure on the Japanese government and they're not just working within ourselves they are also some of them are also leaders for example they are part of the town councils not the you know local government structures so they are really trying hard to bring their issues forward to really you know delineate the impact of militarization in their context and they really don't want these military bases these facilities of ammunition to be there on their lands and on their community spaces within their within no kilometers of their residences so they are really working and we're not connecting with each other. Similarly our speaker from Guam she comes from this organization but they Guam so they've been fighting so much against you know several decades against the military bases in Guam and they actually filed a lawsuit on the US Air Force I'm not very sure of what exactly the legal details of it are but you know they are fighting for their ancestral lands which have been occupied by these you know military bases by these air force in their lands so they are you know fighting against that legally they are fighting the legal battle and obviously they keep raising awareness within the community and also they connect to similar context within our region for example her speaker from Guam also connects with organizations in Okinawa in Japan which has again a huge movement against no military bases they also connect across country you know they go to Okinawa Philippines and they try to you know build these regional solidarity even northern Mariana islands and Guam they work together in resisting this militarization there are also a lot of creative ways that people are using especially we have artists coming from martial islands who are you know really trying to bring the issue of militarization and human climate injustice through their art so they'll be putting an exhibit in Bangkok in October during one of our event also so when they'll be you know talking about women's resistance and post-World War 2 a lot of weapons and you know a lot of things were left on their lands and how they created you know bags out of it and then how they're trying to use their indigenous materials to you know create things which they can sell because there was only that kind of livelihood that was left for them and cut to now you know now they're faced with militarism plus climate climate change so but the women indigenous women are still resisting so these are like some of the examples from the grassroots of women are using ways of in organizing mobilizing legal you know rules reaching out to elected representatives and also using art and other creative rules really bring that feminist resistance forward yeah just to add that one of our webinar attendee was reflecting just even participating attending webinar is the act of collective so yes we have different form of resisting is staff from small action to bigger impact that we can do yes if it will be as a regional organization you know we've also what the years tried to connect different grassroots groups and you know to frame these political demands that you know we have to forward and in October we'll also be trying to you know connect these grassroots realities and bringing some parliamentarians from the region in our empty round table so also trying to build that regional you know movement against militarism to bring the grassroots issues to get them how you know the parliamentarians at national and maybe also in the future and in regional level they can be a more progressive you know wise is coming forward not just from grassroots or communities but also from people who are there in the policy making so they are the ones who really need to you know address the women human rights violations that happening because let's the go it's arguments are obviously complicit when it comes to militarization and they are importing the spending so much on the militarization of our communities itself so they also need to be accountable and yeah we really need to taste this upfront marks the rise of militarization that we are seeing across our region to they be not marks also the start of the campaign today understand it correctly and how long will you work on this topic now or is this indefinite for our initial so all the from August to the December this year we are going to be you know running this campaign including online and offline initiatives and next year we are also going to have an institutional feminist forum which we call the Asia Pacific feminist forum so from you know ending of this year and then beginning of next year we are also going to you know understand what work in the campaign and what things can be improved and from January to late next year around September October we are going to again run this campaign and the issue of militarism is actually now cuts across not just in our program but a lot of other programs you know within it we are working on this we have as I said you know the intersection of militarism and climate change also militarism and trade or militarism and digitalization so these are a lot of intersections also that you know we are exploring among different programs so this is a cross-cutting issue for us and in our strategic planning is also going to happen next year as it will be very crucial in our strategic planning also to you know review our work on militarism and see how to more deepen it and how you know what are the issues that we really need to take up now next coming from next year digitalization for example is one and there can be more so it's a cross-cutting team. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ We have the idea of three major demands. The first one is that dismantle the military industry. Complex and the second one is stop extracting resources from our land. And the third is we have like Apple accountable to the people. And just take peace and just for reparation. For the campaign, more detailed demand is coming to defend war. Finance just peace. So that is the first demand. The second demand is stop making profit from wars. And also we demand demilitarization and people at right-based solutions. And the next is to confront corporate greed, extravising and militarized occupation in our land, right? And yes, no justice, no peace, repolition now. That is our campaign demand. So I think there is a lot to connect to from a European perspective. And there is a lot of ground work that you are doing that we from Austria should look to and listen to you and support and learn and apply here in the belly of the beast. So thank you so much for your work and thank you so much for your time. [Music] Militarization is nothing that happens only somewhere else far away. What women and communities experience on the ground in the Asian Pacific region is the product of political decisions taken in Europe, the US and other imperial actors. What women and communities experience on the ground is also our responsibility, being in Europe and struggling for a better world in the belly of the imperial beast. But it also constitutes a glimpse into the future that currently looks like a state of constant crisis which many in Europe have not experienced first hand in the past 70 years. However, new military technologies will influence our everyday lives here in Europe as well in uncomfortable and repressive ways. In order to meet this upcoming reality we should look to the women and people who are already dealing with states of constant and increasing crisis ever since the dawn of colonialism. In order to achieve a just and feminist peace and social justice it is necessary to build up a new internationalism. Instead of militarization, isolation and austerity we need social security, solidarity and mutual aid. Instead of 3 trillion US dollars for military spending worldwide we need to eat good food, drink clean water, breath fresh air, be physically and psychologically secure and able to live a good life. We need 3 trillion dollars for climate justice, gender justice and social justice. Feminist peace means self-determination, protection of patriarchal, racist, state and economic violence and the democratic decision making and sovereignty over one's own territory and how resources are distributed within the communities living there. In order to achieve this globally we in the global North and the imperialist countries of the West have to listen to the women and people in the so-called global South. We have to really listen so we can understand and take action here in order to change the power relations globally. I am Andrea Zellinka and this was Global Idea look before today. It will not be the last time we will be talking about militarism and feminism here. So if you want to hear more of us follow us on our social media channels, Instagram and Facebook and check out our website. And with this until next week on Tuesday 7 p.m. here on Radio Orange. Bye! Global dialogue by women on air. The dialogue monday on women on air. I will be talking about women on air. I will be talking about women on air.