State of the NFL TE and ’26 Prospect Review (Riskiest, Safest, and Contrarian) Going Deep w/Brandon Angelo & Matt Waldman

Welcome to Go In Deep, Brandon Angelo. If you have not seen his classroom work on It's not just on X But you can find it on X the classroom his film viewing and evaluation you can find it at a site Angelo's analysis and you can I would definitely check it out He's got some really good ones available for free to check out and then check out the rest of his work And you know me. I'm that guy on alone the NFL version As you can see right now. I'm on day one, you know day 100 and whatever In my rock house and we've managed to catch enough fish and they they did allow me a hunting dog So I think I'm okay at least through April 1st There we go. So today we're gonna we're gonna kick it off I was having a conversation with my buddy Sigmund Bloom this afternoon And he asked me if I had heard about Max Tuscanos Conversation about Tide ends and where at the Tide end position may be heading Based on what we saw last year and I had not and he you know I'm gonna summarize it as best I can this is you know telephone game stuff from you know Bloom telling me about it and so but essentially it is is that You look at like AJ Barner and I would add Tucker Kraft or Even Tyler Warren as high-end versions of this higher end versions of this But these are bigger guys who may not be the you know man-to-man matchup You know mismatches They're guys who operate in zones they can Rumble when they get the ball But what they're known for at least Kraft and Definitely AJ Barner is that they can block their ass off And the theory Max is offered a former Tide end at Connecticut I believe is that Because NFL teams are taking away spread offences They're using those all the umbrella coverages Now teams are actually having to run in order to pass And or and they're using heavier sets to run the ball And then the passing that they're doing Is more with tight ends that they can either split out or they can run from 12 and different variations of 12 and 13 and And get value out of those guys and when you look at what AJ Barner did He's a great example of that Because he's terrific in this shallow zone and terrific in the red zone very reliable pass catcher but It takes more coverage reading To know like knowing what spot you're gonna go to Then it does skill one on one to beat a man, you know in terms of that type of skill set So the idea is that maybe the riskier guys Are gonna be the tight ends who are in the move tight ends the route runners and the things like that So what do you think about that do you think that that has teeth? Where would you know where doesn't have teeth where may it be a little toothless? Yeah, absolutely actually I think Tuscanos can I hit the nail in the head because in today's game We're looking a lot more at 12 and 13 personnel like we were looking at 11 personnel like six seven eight years ago When Tyree kill was Domain the league at level three But now we're getting into more of the okay, we're gonna utilize a higher end tight end As a blocker Who can like you mentioned your Tyler Warren your Tucker crafts can rumble a bit in space And then every once in a while we'll get a unicorn type player like your Brock Bowers of the world Like your colston loved ones of the world who can do both at a fairly high level and kind of play the chess piece roll to Right and I think Trayv McBride, but Trayv McBride's more of that move tight end So that's kind of the interesting thing is It's hard to find guys in that archetype who can actually block really well To be an asset in 12 and 13 personnel and that's the big deal is we're looking now at guys who can be assets I think in this class we have guys like Eli Eli Star Wars, right? Right and it's interesting because he's more of that Move Ty that and I mean he's closer to a slot receive than a traditional inline guy And it's gonna be harder for those guys to catch on and in state relevant like you have you know in this free agent cycle like Isaiah likely Right, it's like guys like that that it's a little difficult to project them as a inline role in an offense that runs a lot of 12 and 13 personnel Which is a lot more offenses in today's game So I think that definitely has teeth and I'm honestly really interested to see how Guys like Stowers and you know some of these other guys who are more Moves tight ends guys who can play in the slot in a bit outside where they get drafted because there's not really much of a commotion Surrounding that archetype of player in today's game So it's kind of like how you know the big time big carry powerback got kind of phased out You don't see your Steven Jackson's of the world walking around and getting 30 carries a game for 115 yards and a cloud of dust on most of them I think this is kind of the same deal where we're entering this era of tight ends That it you're an inline first player And then your plus is if you were you were an extension of the receiving game And I think that's a really interesting kind of shift in terms of offense the football that we're seeing now the approach 2025 plus Yeah, I think I think it's astute to and I think for all the reasons you mentioned I would I would even say that if we're gonna refine it When you I think there's always going to be room for your Elite move tight ends. I think that like Brock Bowers and Trey McBride to me are good examples of guys who I I would both argue that aren't great blockers I think Brock is okay at what he does Colston Lovelins more of a unicorn I would argue where and like George Kittle like you can they can do everything Whereas what I think Brock what makes Brock Impellan is He could be your wide receiver one. He's good enough as a wide receiver to be your wider server one So they're not going to take him off the field for a wide receiver three or a wide receiver four And I think that's where Bloom brought up a good point that we were talking about this afternoon is that You know your tight end your tight end one is gonna have to be Better than your wide receiver three and wide receiver four To be on the field enough times To get fantasy relevant points and to get statistically relevant value that gets them labeled You know a top end starter So like Dalton concai does he wind up in a situation where You know you could say with the the bills receivers as it is right now the answer is yes He's still probably one of their top three receivers Um, but will that change in free agency and in the draft And will it change with the chain you know with any changes that they make Jackson hause probably becomes a lot more appealing Because he is already the best blocker on that depth chart and that's not saying anything lightly considering that Dawson Knox is pretty good in that That right so if Jackson hause learns how to catch suddenly now you're looking at a player that might be on the On the front end of the wave of Changes that we're beginning to see if this is actually that wave So Jackson hause could be your next a j barner type of player Where you go? Yeah, we drafted Elijah Royo But the blocker the guy who's really getting the job done for us in the red zone and where He's just getting free money because you know they really they believe that he's gonna block is a j barner so I can see how We start looking at some of these players and you know you brought up this topic that we wanted to to discuss Which is the riskiest prospects in the cycle and I wanted to kick off the the program with maxes You know tied end idea because one of my riskiest plot prospects in the cycle Is Michael trig And and Kenyan Sadeek both of them really like I have them right I have Eli Stowers number one and And I feel like that he's Close enough to being good enough that he will probably be no worse than the wide receiver three for a team Because he's so good around the ball and he can run after the catch and I think that there's I think there's enough to his game that can grow that he could that teams might go we feel good about him being our tied-in Slash wide receiver three in 12 personnel like I I could see how that might happen But it's it's still risky this class is risky or the last class But the two the two and three for me Our guy and this should lead into another topic. I'm gonna mention is I'm gonna actually Change my metric My my grading and have an additional grade for tied-in where the weight is more towards blocking and or at least I'm gonna change the scoring dynamic so that the percentages are different. So I'm gonna give what I'm usually given and I'm gonna give this one in case this wave begins to stick and I wanna kinda get in on it and change that. - Change that a little bit and say, look, if you're a team that runs 12, here's how this is gonna be ranked. If you're a team that's still thinking that, or if you're a team that thinks that you've gotta, you're gonna get a receiver, a tight end who's gonna be at least your wide receiver two more like one or two on your depth chart and on the field for you and you feel like you can live with them, get those snaps, then this is how it's ranked. So how it's ranked right now is in that area, like the traditional way with the receiving heavy, I've got Trigg and Sadeek two and three, but I didn't feel good about it at all because especially Trigg, because when you watch Trigg, he's kind of a running back in open space, which is nice. I like that element of his game. He can break a lot of tackles and he's got good balance. But when you watch him catch the ball, it becomes a really fun evaluation conundrum because in good moments, he flashes excellent technique at the catch point and he makes elite catches like really difficult plays, displays of acrobatic skill and can do it in contact. So when you see that, that's great. And so the question is, all right, so do I grade him based on the fact that he's exhibited good technique with that high level of play? Or do I look at the other end of the spectrum, which is on the next play, he doesn't even look like he knows the correct technique that he just displayed. And then the ball looks like it's some sort of, sea mind that has been taken out out of the ocean with all the old fashioned ball with the spikes that they showed in the old black and white movies and they tossed that thing at him and told him that if his hands hit it too hard, it might explode. He literally looks like a Jekyll and Hyde player in that regard. And so when you add those two things together, plus the fact that he's 240 or just below that or somewhere in that 235, 245 range, I forgot what the conundrum number was. But he's in that range and you go, all right, so I remember Orson Charles way back in the day. Do any of you even know who's that guy's name is? Yeah, you know, that guy was, that guy was about the same size, really fast, could catch really well out of Tampa, Florida, just like Michael Trigg. And it's just kind of like, will he be forgotten as well? Will he have a role? Will he be James Casey? Like good at a lot of little things, but nothing really that will fit in today's NFL. So for me, like, where do you grade him? Because if I grade him conservatively and say, he's got to show consistency with what we do, then I have him in a grade where he's more of a contributor, but not a rotational starter or a starter, because his hands are bring him down. But then the argument I would make Brandon is, and I ultimately made is this. You could have said that about Brandon Marshall and Torello, and probably with their hands at times. And did you bring them down for that, or did you say they exhibited the correct techniques at the right time, they exhibited them, and when they did them right, they made game changing plays. And I think that, and along with everything else that they had to offer, you bet on that and you lived with the bad. And generally the good outweighed the bad with those two, two, a fair extent. If I do that, Michael Triggs, my number two tie-dend on my board, if I'm looking at wide receiver value, as opposed to being 12 to 15th on my board of 25 that I've graded. So it's a big difference. And to me, when you throw in Max's theory, that's why A, he's the riskiest player on the board for me in this cycle, and B, why I'm going to be probably offering two different grade values, just to give you an idea of if he goes to a certain team, this is probably how he's going to be viewed. If he goes to another team that has an offense that's more of a benefit, this is where he could be, so that you have a little bit more intel in terms of what to do. But to me, that's the risk. I love that. Yeah, I think that's kind of spot on, because we look at it kind of in a vacuum sometimes with prospects of they do this well, so they'll do this better at the next level. And that's a lot of times not the case. Sometimes it goes the opposite way. And it depends on a lot of times how the player is taught collegially, and then what's the learning curve to the NFL. And that's sometimes very, very stark in terms of being a contrast. But yeah, I agree with you with Trigg, I think it's the size and the athleticism and all that stuff is very tantalizing. And if he figures it out, he could be a pretty big time contributor for an NFL offense. However, if those shortcomings become longstanding issues, you look at a guy that's not going to be a contributor at all. So yeah, I know I 100% agree in-- He's just not much of a blocker at this stage. No. Yeah. Correct. And that's the big thing is that's going to-- especially in this era, like-- it's like Elijah Arroyo, it was a great example like he brought up. Like out of Miami, he was-- as athletic as you can get in terms of a prospect. But he did a lot in that needs work to poor category that saw a much lesser athlete and AJ Barnard thinking all of those snaps. So here's a question for you to follow up. And I want to know some of your riskiest prospects in this cycle. But I mean, you look at this. And at the end of the day, does a guy like-- to me, I think that the tipping point maybe for whether or not one of these move tight ends is going to be valuable is can you see him being Delaney Walker? Because Delaney Walker was a good blocker for his size. Jordan Reed was a good blocker for his size. But can they be that? And because those guys were in the 240 range probably-- I mean, I know Reed was bigger, but he should have stayed at his 230 to 240 weight. And probably wouldn't have gotten his banged up. I don't know if he would have gotten his banged up. But the injuries took a toll. But Walker had a long career. And he was a wide receiver. And he was an adequate blocker. But good enough as a wide receiver that when the Titans ran to two tight ends with Mariotta under center, Walker was always a part of that. Right. Yeah, it's interesting. Because I think two with today's direction of offense, you need your tight ends more important now than it was five years ago. And I think it's just going to be one of those two that it's going to take a while for some of these guys that are acclimated. I think two, if you're not a really high draft, they get tight end. It's going to be hard for you to see the field initially. Because if you're not valuing that position from a draft capital standpoint, guys obviously worn in love with them like have made massive impacts. And I remember before it was like, oh man, like three years ago it was like, oh, first round tight ends. Man, rookie tight ends never make an impact. And now it's holy cow. Like every year, Bowers, Loveland, Warren, you know, all these guys are making big time impact because teams are investing much more in their trenches. And the tight end is a part of that. It's this big segment of it where five, six years ago, your tight end was more of a luxury as a part of your rushing attack and a more important part of what your wide receiver room is doing. I'll lie your Travis Calseys and like becoming big time players. Robgrim Kowski in that era of football too, that obviously he did both at a high level, but that was a super big deal. Yeah, you're going to need, I think you're going to need, you know, either you're going to get late, mid to late round guys like Kraft and Barner, who are like good past catchers, just not great route runners, who can, who block really well, who move ahead of the guys that were drafted earlier than them, like Musgrave and, and, and a Royo. Or you're going to wind up with some of these mid round guys who they're blocking acclimates fast enough. And they know that they can catch. So they're like, we can deal with a guy who can catch and get open in zone. And then the third option is we, this guy could play in any era because he's a weapon at the receiver position. whether he's an Aussie new sum like weapon, what from way back in the 70s or whether it's a, you know, you know, we can Todd Christensen in the 80s. You know, you know, who, who, and or you, you know, or we're moving now into like rock bars in this era who I think was a better blocker than either of those two by a good stretch. But still, you probably wouldn't put them on the same level as you wouldn't put them on the same level as George Kittle as a block. No, no, no, no, you know, so, okay. So, so again, yeah, who's your riskiest prospect in this, in this class or one of them? Oh, man, I would honestly say Jordan Tyson. Yeah. Okay. And I think it's kind of too pronged. I think the first prong in that is the injuries. Right? I think we, a lot of times we look at the injuries we say, oh, well, it won't happen in the NFL. Well, if you kind of look at the injuries broad spectrum, multiligment, the injury 2022, ACL, MCL, PCL, played nine games that year. Then in 2023, he played three games because of complications recovering from surgery. 24 were actually clavicle against Arizona, November, acquired surgery. And then last year in 25, hamstring training in Texas Tech in October, played through it, returned after a few games, but was an obvious less than 100% a pod return. So this is someone who's missed over a third of his collegiate games and wasn't able to work out at the combine due to a hamstring strain that is likely due to the multiligment knee injury. That's a big issue because what happens now is it's tougher to make three receive two receiver sets because it's you're playing more 12 personnel, right? It's not like he's unlocked to see the field every single down. So let's say if his in his first couple seasons, he misses developmental time with injury. Who's to say he's not just a situational starter at that in that juncture? And that's the issue is there's a lot the injury stuff it should definitely give pause because if you're investing at top, 20 pick in this guy, it can be fairly difficult. Now in the other end of the spectrum, he has tantalizing talent above the rim, can win the ball against anybody. But then the second part, the second run of this for concerns is there are a lot of times that defensive backs just out physical. And it's not that he doesn't have the play strength. He benched a lot to do 25, like 26 times or something ridiculous, strong kid. But there's a lot of like top of route stuff that is kind of wonky. I do think he has the ability to play inside and out. But I think it's also too, it's like some people are saying this is the number one receiver in this class. But the one thing that I value more than anything is durability. And the your ability to be reliable for 17 plus games. And that's a huge deal. You're looking at teams that want to want to make a deep playoff run and you're playing 20 games. Right. So it's tough. It's tough to say that this guy will be able to play 17 plus. I do love us above the rim skill set. I think he can develop into a Alon Robinson, the second type receiver with the inside of our versatility. I don't think he's as explosive as people think he is. He's actually fairly poor after the catch, which was kind of surprising. And that was a huge one is I thought, you know, when you look at the goddy numbers and the in air athleticism, I thought that stuff would track to the post catch work. But he was kind of a near zero in that category for me. And I was shocked because I thought he would offer more of those traits because he can also be dynamic route runner at times. And that was fairly surprising when looking at his tape. I still have him, I believe right now is my wide receiver three or four. I still have him as a starter in the NFL. Obviously, you know, Alon Robinson, the second being the top of the run comparable. But I think the floor is lower than most would like to admit because he was such a good prospect. But also with that, there's some shortcomings, obviously with the with the route running nuance and the wonkiness there at times. And then also to we have the ability to not really be a contributor post catch, which is kind of surprising. Yeah. And it's funny that you mentioned that because right now, and I'll be looking at receivers next in terms of finalizing grades and then writing up that for my RSP chapter after probably after Friday or Saturday. But as it stands right now, and again, you guys know I don't do so for upper rankings. So I don't really talk about it until I'm really close. And I'm getting close enough. But he didn't, you know, he didn't score as a starter in an immediate starter in my in my rankings. Now he scored close. And he's definitely close to my top five. But he's not in my top five as of this point. And he probably will make it in there from what it looks like. But it's, it's you know, based on his ability, I would have assumed the way people are talking and he'd be in the same tears carnal tight date and the Ky lemon. And he's not he's I mean, like it's not even like I have I have two tears. Those two guys in these tears. And then everyone else below. And he's in that third tier. And it's because not just because of the durability, because that's a big yield. But for like you yourself, you know, I have I have five tears that I use for migrating to put people in with criteria to make those tears. And it's like star ability, starter ability, committee ability, reserve, free agent, and then deficient just you're getting zero. And for Jordan Tyson in terms of like decision making as a runner, committee level, like that's just basically a guy off the bench who can be in part of your rotation, you know, as power same thing wrote, you know, you know, I've been able to break tackles and and work through contact. Committee level, you know, his balance same thing, I think was committee level, you know, so yeah, all committee level. And those are qualities that when you're looking for usually the top guys, they excel at least in one of those three. Right. Your stars, other 100% are always at least above serviceable after the catch. Yes. And at least one of those. Like you look at you look at your Jamar chases, your Pukinakooas, your Justin Jefferson's. Yeah. You know, those type of guys like I'm sure I'm missing a couple the super stars here, but all those guys are above serviceable after the catch. Jackson Smith and Jigba, like all those guys are above serviceable and do a great job. And even in the past, like guys like Cooper Cup, like awesome after the catch. And because they can win in different avenues. And I think for for Tyson, that's an area where he really struggles. And it gets much harder when you're playing at Arizona State and you're not playing some of the best defenses obviously. Yeah. And you go from that to playing hurt the NFL. All right. And that's different. And it's it's tough because you have to sometimes fall back on that too. Because it's hard to get open. Right. If you do get space, you have to take advantage. And that's one thing. Obviously, like same conference, like Tatmik Millen. The one thing I liked about Tatmik Millen was I thought if he's going to make a big splash, it's going to be after the catch. Right. Really good after the catch receiver. I thought the other stuff he can grow into. And I thought he had a good year one. I don't think it was as great as people are making it out to be. I think it's a lot of it was Jaylen Coker missed a lot of time. Exhaver will get as a literal zero as a lot of offense for had to McMillan. There's no, you have no, you've literally no other choice. You're Tavian Sanders, Miss time with injury, right. So big, big deal there. But yeah, I think going back to Tyson, it's it's hard to just look past all the shortcomings and then the durability and not be like, you know what? This might not work out. If it does, I think he has upside to being a pro bowler, right? Like Al Robinson, the second. But I don't think he is a, you know, Jamar Chase, Jackson Smith, Nick Jigba, level player, I think, in the modern day game, I think you can see him maybe more of a Garrett Wilson type, where he's good for stretches, but not as dominant. Did you consistently as you'd ever think? Yeah. All right. I'm going to give you one more. Okay. Mike Washington, Jr. I was about to say you watched in junior because the big thing about Washington, Jr. is you look at the the players and prospects of his arc. type that big fast like big time play speed right times well you know looks the part but how many of those guys are top five rushers consistently in the NFL because they can't ever really slow down the game like if you think about it like those type of that archetype of player especially above guys who are like 225 plus pounds the only one that comes in mind and he had this trade up like obviously in college Jonathan Taylor that's really it and he he was a just cognitively advanced as a rusher in college at Wisconsin and I go you know go back and watch his take from time to time and just incredibly adapt that feeling gaps and openings and closures Mike wash in his very reserve level in those categories and doesn't take contact well doesn't have a ton of solutions in open space so it's like those guys who made themselves a lot of money at the combine and that's awesome I think that's a phenomenal thing however he is not like to my opinion a day to prospect I would say I look at it this way two things stuck out for me one was his footwork and elusiveness like how he to me there's there's time to looseness and there's functional elusiveness and I want and one of the things I like to look for and running back is how will do they vary their stride pacing and stride length how well can they transition downhill from a perimeter path because you need when you're working downhill you can see it right but if you need three or four steps while you're moving towards the boundary before and you have got you've got to slow down those three or four steps to cut downhill you're screwed because the defensive tackles on top of you at that point or the end or you know the linebacker coming down the end or the safety who bl-run blitzed you know whoever it is the the pursuit is going to catch up with you ideally you need to be able to do it in one step and then functionally one to two steps most of the time is more than enough you know and you don't slow down that much Washington was a little below that for me but the big thing is even if you disagree with Brandon and I about vision and play speed and you know some the physicality of his game that he doesn't translate it as well as it looks on paper holding on to the football okay oh yeah when you 12 like how many times he was a football he I can give it to you right here because I track these I track this stuff because I and two years ago I did a little bit of a preliminary look at ballhandings so Mike Washington has five seasons with 664 touches and 16 fumbles every year fumbling was an issue so it wasn't like he had one awful year where he was hurt or something bad was going on sure sure he averaged one fumble every 65 touches okay that to me is low end of the committee tier for me of running backs like a rotational reserve type of option that you have on the field not your main cog ball carry and it's on the low end it's literally the to me it's 60 to 61 if you're 16 below that's reserve level you shouldn't be on the field because fumbling's a problem for you and I I track running backs for I think the past 15 past 10 years or 15 years it was past 15 years that I've been studying them for the RSP and I tracked how many running backs who scored at a below a committee tier how many of them had top 25 seasons how many have had top 15 seasons how many of top 10 seasons how many of them had top three seasons and less than 10% of them were ever running back once much less elite like one guy I think was elite as a reason have a and an elite season who was the elite season I don't remember I got to look there's so much I know I should have prepared it's been a long time but I'll have a question I wrote it no it should have been one I should have been prepared to answer but it's it's at football guys wrote it a couple of summers ago when I looked at this because I was looking at Marshawn Lloyd and thinking okay I like Marshawn Lloyd but the guy fumbled like crazy so am I making too much of this fumbling thing but you know there's still possibility of like maybe I should cross-references with draft capital and see whether draft capital has an impact on that or not so I may look into that next at some point on the line but the fact that Mike Washington is only five touches away from being below the committee tier is a concern to me and that's risky because say you had the way I have graded now while I agree with a lot a lot of your points or some things that maybe I liked more than you did it at best if he was at the star caliber tier his grade would probably be I would probably have him let's see probably he'd be in near my top five of running back this year near that maybe even in it especially now that not you know with looking at the the the combine performance I might you know I don't give massive bumps for that but I certainly it will make me go back and look at his speed and see what I'm see if I was missing anything and and if I go yeah okay I can I I didn't see that as well as I should have let me bump up his let me give him a little you know bump to here if I don't agree with that then I'm like well screw the combine because you know Brandon Angelo told me about those three different types of devices they use to score to score speed and you know and then and then I fell got the cheapest one or the second cheapest one I remember correctly but you know back in our first episode we did together but you know I mean I tried to I tried to look at it and see that what's going on matches what I see on the field and if it doesn't I take the field over the test teaching to the test but yeah you know but that's the thing is like right now I have him as a as a contributor like somebody that you know plug him in let him play short yardage if that's what you think he can do well or if you think that he can be a finisher for you if sure you know as long as you you know super glue that you have super glue on his on his forearms like before every like for you have a little dropper before every single every single snap you know yeah for sure I think I think we like the you know the the high-end rung of that ladder for him I think is probably a guy like Sean Tucker right like you're the tavius Marie type like those are kind of the type of prospects no Chubo Hubbard is kind of in that makes in terms of that archetype right yeah people people forget that Chubo Hubbard was a frickin sprint champion in Canada no one knows that he used to be a you remember like over two thousand years Oklahoma State like no one knows that it's it's he was insane people were and it was funny because people were all over him until the back to school back to school yeah hurt fell in the draft yep but good story but but never the last I think with you know Washington like you look at that archetype of back and like those backs are not starters in today's game anymore like there's really only a handful and one being a high-end starter and Jonathan Taylor besides that like you're looking at potential contribute level contribute level players none that are like super high-end stars besides one so yeah he's definitely an interesting one in that regard who's your who's your next one do you have a second one he was my he was my second one I'll give you a third for us to chew on okay I like the two go ahead I like this guy I really like this guy but his combined performance may drop his draft capital to the point that it might not draft capital in politics might make him a guy that's got a forces way in and in a tight running back market it may not happen it's I'm at Johnson of Nebraska yeah I actually agree with that because I think to with Johnson like I you like his tape in a very similar fashion to where and this is my opinion you could tell me if I'm an idiot that I liked Bucky Irving and Devon Singletary okay like in a similar fashion and you could tell like the play speed is not a winner for them anyway right. But what play speed is like, people don't, people forget, that single Terry was a third round pick. Right. Like he got drafted right around Dave Montgomery and that back to day doesn't exist in the third round. So that's kind of the issue is you have draft capital working against you. And this year we actually had some really good backs that were drafted in the sixth seventh round. Like, you know, you had your humanongai and crosskey mayor at both of us, I didn't get over 700 yards. But that's really rare. It doesn't happen often. Yeah. So you're gonna have to really fight for, you know, your touches and hopefully get in a thinner RB room like Chicago, like Washington, to where you can see some significant work. And I think with Johnson's game, you know, a lot of the through context skill set stuff is awesome. It does a phenomenal job working through different contact types and has a variety of tools that he uses to get through. But the NFL, you know, opines and closures of space happen in such a difference to where they did it, you know, Nebraska, where's the cornhouse. So yeah, I think it'll be interesting. I like him. But I think it's gonna be one of those. How late does a guy like that go? Yeah. Like, is he a sixth? Is he a six rounder now? Like somebody asked me that and said, Hey, I got to think he goes in the fourth. I'm like, Oh, man, I'd be shocked. I think he goes in the sixth. Yeah. Um, fifth round. He's, it's kind of like to me. I fear that he's kind of going to be in a trace sermon, ask type of situation. Where, you know, you look at Trays game in Ohio State and Oklahoma and you saw things that were really good, but he didn't have the explosion ultimately. And I think I probably overestimated his explosion. Um, and overestimated his ability to see things at the level that he should have. If I were to look back on it, you know, some of it is probably also that he got mismatched in the offense that he was in and in terms of, and in terms of what they like to do and what they wanted from the back. And that might have also heard his confidence. Some, but he's had plenty of opportunities to kind of build on things and he has not looked, um, he has not looked explosive enough really in any setting that he's been in. And, and I think that so that's kind of a thing. Um, so all right. So who's your sure thing that isn't a projected first or second pick for, you know, the first round pick and second round pick or day one day to pick. I really doesn't make a difference. That's really what that is, right? So a day one. Yeah. Or first or second, I'll go as far as day, like day two plus. Okay. And mine's going to be Skylar Bell out of you. I think he's, he showed enough to where I think he's going to be a contributor plus. Um, I, I liked the way he plays. He actually had a really good combine to which I think will help his stock. But me, great tempo and variations of ball carrier. I got to two things, right? Can you, can you win as a boots on the ground player and can you win them in the balls in the air? He can do both those things. I think it's always interesting to watch a player that is so easily the vocal point of an offense. I can only had one game under six receptions this whole last year. And that was a game he went like four for one thirty five and two. Like he, he played some really, really good ball this year. I just think he's intelligent and abrupt on double moves on covers quickly in the slot. Um, the one game I think that's good to watch in a bad way is Sarah Hughes. Like he gets bullied when tracking in that game when it's not clean. Um, but I do think he's a player that can play in 11 personnel almost immediately in the right situation. Um, and maybe work his way up into starting in 12 p. So for me, that was my bigger one. Probably a day for you guy. I think he's probably, you know, closer to around, uh, around four, around five. Um, but wouldn't be shocked if the team takes his shot in the third, uh, smart instinctive plays well at the ball in his hands, tracks the heck out of the football. Um, and is good in a lot of areas. Yeah. Before I, before this weekend, when I start reviewing combine stuff and rewatching tape and pointing different things, bells my 10th receiver on my board right now. So, you know, and he's only, he's only a point away from my guy that I'll list who might end up being drafted a little earlier than day three or in the third round. Um, but it's Antonio Williams of Clemson. Um, yeah. You know, I, I kind of feel like watching him play, he has good, he has the, the play speed to go deep on you, but he also gives you the toughness at the catchpoint. He can go up and win it. Um, and so when I combine some of those things, I feel like he can be an inside outside guy. And maybe he's like the guy that people think they see when they see Casey conception. And I like Casey conception. And I haven't rated higher, but I, but I do think one of the things that made me kind of, um, smile a little bit when I looked at a combine highlight this week, as I saw Casey conception going through the gauntlet. And they, and they, and they go through the gauntlet. I did. And I saw, I did, I did. I saw multiple peers who were very good at what they do, but I saw multiple ones going, looks really smooth. Maybe he's alleviated the concerns about his hands. And I watched, and I watched it. And I was like, okay, there's seven catches he had to make. And six of them clearly his hands were far apart and they were clapping onto the football each time. He just made the catch. So it looks smooth to, to the untrained eye in terms of if you're not training it on what the technique actually is of the catch. And, and I, I was like, wow, six out of 70 clap attack. That's pretty much what the problem's been with him. If you ask me, now it doesn't mean that he's a bad player. And one of the things that I want to point out to people is that, you know, part of scouting is being able, at least from my perspective is being able to point out flaws that players have with their skills. So if the results don't come, you have somewhere to begin with where to help them get better. You know, if, and whether that's the player themselves doing it or whether it's their coaches and saying, Hey, you know, you're dropping a lot of balls. I noticed that each time every ball you've dropped has been a ball away from your frame and you're, you're bringing your hands together as the ball arrives as opposed to having your hands together when the, you know, before the ball gets there. Maybe you should start with that, you know, because I'm seeing that here's the chain of events that happen when you do this. This looks like the root cause. And I think that there are a lot of res, it's hard to do. Like if you're going to ask somebody to run at full speed, bring their hands up and leap at the last second and have their hands perfectly together like this, you know, or like this, depending on how people want it taught. You know, at sometimes it's hard to do that when your arms are literally stretched out to their maximum above their head. You really have to have trained that to become muscle memory or away from your frame. I see a lot of guys clapping like this when they're way ahead of their frame because they didn't anticipate the ball to be there. And sometimes that's going to happen even with the best players. But if it's the norm rather than the exception, that's where you go, okay, this is where problems can occur. And when I watch a conception, that's where I think problems can occur. It, he still has a good grade for me, a near instant starter. But that is a, that is one of those things that I look at and go, well, if he struggles, you're going to know why? Because it's probably because this has been there for a while. And so keep an eye on that. This is why, you know, maybe if people are going to put him in the same tier and you're a savvy fantasy draft here, for instance, and you're thinking, oh, they're all putting him in the same tier as McCoy, lemon and car, car and L. Tate, maybe you can trade the rights for him and get the value of the pick. If you know, somebody, if people are valuing concept, you own in that range, whereas, you know, maybe, you know, you know, and then you might be able to get something better out of it, you know, those types of things. But yeah, he's, to me, like I look at Antonio Williams and I see, and I go, maybe that's what they see when they see Casey, concept, you know, he's a little more finished product version of Concepts, he owned at the catch point at the very least. So yeah, no, I don't disagree with that. All right, so all right, shall we move on to our next one? What do you say? Do we next one? Or do you have another one you want to know? That's perfect. All right, so who's a player? You have vastly different in terms of your grade, then what you've seen or heard thus far. We've already covered Mike Washington. We've already covered Jordan Tyson. Those guys are definitely candidates from what we've seen. Is there anybody else that you would say, I'm either vastly higher or vastly lower than what at least I've perceived to be the case? What's going on around me? Might have frozen Brandon with that question. There we are. You did see his new question. Mike was actually Mike Washington. I think that's the big one. I'll be talking about Jordan Tyson. I'm not even that low on him. I think those are probably the main ones that consensus. I think right now, there's like five, five, six, seven receivers that are kind of in that range in the consensus. Running back is really unique because you have love. Then price, then drop off in terms of potential. I mean, the pride, day three. Right. So for me, I think Washington is the one because I think people think he's going to be slaughtered in the day, too, which he very well might be. But I do think with Washington, there's so much risk with him just not panning out the way people think. Unless he gets into like an elite offensive line, it's going to be tough, kind of like Caleb Johnson in a way. Yeah. Where it was like, he just has a, he just needs a big time wide zone scheme. If he gets into an offense that kind of varies there, you know, these are run concepts and calls and asks him to do a little bit more. He struggles and that that's what happened is rookie season and he might never find traction. We don't know that. And because he's that they're back in that offense and was very clearly not ready to see that I feel feel. And that's my worry with Washington is we see another Caleb Johnson because they have. Similar players, but in terms of, you know, not having the requisite skill set or NFL offense, they share some of those similarities. Obviously, Washington's big one is ball security. Yeah. I've got one that I'm much higher on the consensus with. And I'm going to be until we see that I'm just completely nuts about this. I'm going to be scratching my head. Why he was not invited to the combine this weekend. And that's BYU tight end for me Utah and for me UCLA guy Carson Ryan. Wow. Like to me, I watch this guy and. And then I kept and then today as I was finalizing my rank is I was watching spot watching different things with different players. And I'm going, how this guy get invited over Carson Ryan? How do this guy get invited over Carson right? Are you kidding me? How did this guy? You know, Carson Ryan is probably going to be my fifth ranked tight end as it comes out. And it's very possible that he could if true, if this whole idea that that the tight end, landscape is going to change in what's valued. He could wind up being my top tight end on the board because this dude can block at two five six four two fifties. Not the biggest dude in the world. You're not expecting to line up against defensive ends one on one all the time. But he is savvy. I mean, okay. Most people when they most people when they study blocking with tight ends from what I've seen in the draft sphere. And I'm not saying like the scouts, but people in dress here. Does he look like he can develop into a blocker and then they're like, yeah, and then they that's where they get the protection. Okay. Yeah. All right. He gets in the way. Man, he really throws his body in there. Oh, you know, look how strong he is with that. Look how quick he is. And it's just kind of like, okay. So are you looking at reach blocks? Are you looking at cut blocks? Are you looking at stock blocking? Are you looking at the angles that you take as a blocker to seal? What's your support? What angles are you're supposed to be taking to do that? Do you look at how close you should be? Where your hands should be? Do you roll your hips into a punch? Do you even punch? You know, do you punch with an upper cutter? Are you punching with a double jab? You know, do you have a one arm technique? Do you know when to use these types of techniques? And I think the answer is no. Most of the time when you know this happens. When I look at a Carson Ryan and most guys like at this level, you know, I watch the stock blocking because you can see a lot of that out in space. And most of these guys, you can tell who can block it, who can't just by how they approach the defender. Do they do they run down the hill to try and get them right away? Or do they, or do they meet them halfway and then make the defender make a decision? And then they react to that decision, you know, and they're more patient about it. Ryan does that. Ryan is good at being able to like set the defenders up thinking that he's setting. He's going in one direction, but it's really to set them up to go in another so that he can then seal them to the outside of the inside. You want him to be a polar on the backside. He can do that. You want him to be the lead blocker? He can do that. Put them on the put pass protection. Oh my God. I mean, I know it's not like he's facing Miles Garrett, you know, and he's never going to. I'm not even going to get Miles Garrett, but I watched him against Miami. I watched him against some some decent prospects at other schools. And he moves his feet really well. He understands how to be patient and make them go in a certain or influence on the go in a direction that he can at least handle. You know that he's he's going to put them in a situation unless they're elite in a situation where they're going to at least go with the program. He's trying to get them to go with and that gives the quarterback. It's not an easy win. He keep, you know, if you have a 6 4 250 guy who's not an instant win against top the ease because what he's doing technically and conceptually, that's good. Especially when you see he's great at all the other things that an H back would be asked to do or a second tied in. And he's at 250 you can hold up okay if you're part of you know a two tied in look as long as you're not matched up front side on the on the best on the best guy. And I would even argue as techniques better than most of the guys who are bigger in this class. And then there's just the catch stuff which is just like he's not fast. He's not super fast. I don't think. But he's not super slow either. I mean like he's he's in that range. He can beat linebackers. He can threaten safety some certain instances. And he wins down field. I've watched him uncover on routes where the Utah quarterback is literally like he's not open. But I'm going to throw this ball 30 yards down the field to him because I know he's going to work open at the last moment because I've worked with this dude enough to know. And not only can he high point and jump up and through and do all these things but he can literally uncover from a defender within like one step and slip in underneath him and just bring his hands out and literally pull the ball away from the defender and the defender didn't even know it was coming. He's that kind of like it's like watching lad McConkey and the end in the red zone uncovering for for Justin Herbert. I saw like multiple plays like that. And I was like you've got to be kidding me like and it's funny because I don't watch pff. I don't know what pff does but I looked him up to see if there's anything to talking about him and pff had him as their number one ranked tight end scored graded tight end. And I was like that's interesting because he's good like I I really liked what I saw and he reminds me of Jake Ferguson like oh it's you know like a Jake player. And Jake was an underrated player. I had Jake like seventh. I think that year as a guy that I was like this guy can do everything well maybe not one thing unbelievably well but he's so good at every aspect that he's going to be hard to take off the field in an offense. And I think Carson Ryan can kind of fit either dynamic that you would choose for him and you know does that make him a fantasy worthy player. I don't know it depends where he where he lands but it could happen. So I think he's yet to me he's the guy that he may not get drafted. You know he may not even be draftable because of the fact he didn't invite into the combine but for the life of me I have no idea why that was. That's crazy. Yeah. So yeah so listen folks always fun. Check out Brandon's work at Angela's analysis. He saw you know he's got some good videos that have been coming out that are available for free and then go subscribe to the work. It's worth every penny. Okay. I appreciate it. Absolutely. And then. Rsp at the RST April 1st. That's what we're trying to do. for full no no no so maybe the April Fools is on you to think that it was a April Fools joke you know so it's like a double reverse I guess maybe I don't know the double reverse of draft guys but yeah you can go to matwomen.com for that and you know thanks again we'll be on in a couple of weeks and we appreciate you and the feedback that you give and you know take care have a good We can. Sorry. All right.