Stassi Schroeder on Her Reality TV Comeback, Working with Her Husband, and Mom Guilt

I feel like it was just like really important to show this stage of my life and what was really happening. I feel like the second that I'm like, edit this out, it's like downhill from there. This podcast is a dear media production. Hi guys! Welcome back to another episode of Girls Gotta Eat! Welcome back! We're together! We're almost all the time we're together. I was sad this morning. I was like, it's been like three weeks. I know. Guys! We don't listen. We're doing our best. Are you doing your best? No, I hate that. Not at least. Oh. I feel like you met on the virtual recordings. No, I hate them. And I'm happy. But I'm happy to be reunited. Do you remember that pain-maning commercial? And he's like, cut that beat. And I feel like I'm like, sign that. Please. Yeah. She sent me this apartment. She was looking at it. I was like, grow up. Sign the lease. I know. But you're also very like, I don't want to pressure you. I don't want to. Well, because you don't want me to get here and then hate it and blame you. No, I know what it's like to-- That's it. I know what it's like to live here. But we'll talk about it. I've looked at a few places. Big milestone today, guys. I beat Raina to the studio. It's insane. Raina was two minutes late. Which is-- And late for me. Can I tell you? So, okay, guys, you know what? It's all washing over me that we have switched roles today. I'm in your outfit. I'm cosplaying you. That is a more me outfit. You wouldn't even say anything, Raina. It's my first pair of cool-ots. I'm dressed like you. I can't believe you have-- I'm just waiting for you to say something. I'm trying to acclimate to being the same group as you. You asked me if your nipples should be out. And I was like, this is the first time in nine years you've even thought about whether your nipples should be out or not. No, no, no. Not nipples. I'm 43. I wanted to know when I need to pull them up. Oh, pull up the nipples. No, they're good. Great, cool-ots, great nipples. But you're dressed a little more like me. Yes. We both exercise dresses me more so. So we really have switched roles. And then I get here early, cos I'd be flying on the city bike. You know, I just jump on the bike. I'm on time in New York more than anywhere else. And then you roll up late with a croissant. Could you want to be me anymore? The late with the pastries. It's funny that you did 1202 as late you, the latest person for you. Oh, I got here. Okay, so you guys, my allegiance to being early-- Not early. I don't like to be early. I like to be on time. My allegiance to being on time is like, my anxiety is so bad. Like, even when it doesn't really matter. If I'm just going to be three minutes late, I start to like panic. It was 11.59 and I was standing outside this building. And I was like, I want this mamon, everything croissants so bad. We split one the last time. Yes. And I just like wanted it. I was like, do I have the time? Like, I wasn't sure to show up late with a pastry in an exercise dress. And I'm here early in cool lots and flip flops. Yes. We have switched roles completely. It reminds me when you show up to work late. And you're like, oh my god, everything was like crazy. But you're holding a latte. But it never crossed my mind that you would be in this room when I walked into this room. We have to go to my mind after this. Two. Okay. One of the craziest things you've done. I haven't even shared this. I'm still digesting it. This is months ago. What happened? We went to this wedding in Cabo. And you came. I didn't know what you're going to say. You guys are re-shocked by this. Because Reyna is on time. We don't like to early too. So we had a shuttle that was leaving for dinner. Reyna comes down to ten minutes late. Eight minutes late. And you come in hot. And then I'm like, surely she's going to be like, I'm so sorry. I'm late, whatever. Because we have to get on the shuttle. She goes, can you take some pictures of me? I was shocked. I already late. I need more time. Best photos of the trip. That's the best I looked. That's the best thing. And I was like, at all trip. Yeah. I think we got to get going. You were the bride at that moment. You were like, I'm late, but can you take some photos of me? Also, I prolonged it by not having you take the initial set of photos. I had somebody else take them, which is like 15 feet of floor. And then I had to make you retake that. I cannot. I mentioned we went to that winery last weekend. And someone took a group photo of us. Like, why is it the whole ground? I feel like this is coming from my top slot of people with speaker photo public. Is people taking photos that's all ground? Actually, I will talk about this forever. People that decide to put it on point five. I'm like, I'm thin enough. I don't need you to make me look thinner or more far away. I don't need you to make my body look like that. Don't change the aspect. Don't do anything. Do what I told you. The framing. Great. I wanted this gravel. I wanted the gravel to be the bottom half of the photo and our heads to be at the top. It is, it's beautiful bright blue sky. But no, I love the gravel. Yeah. And some days I don't have a face that's built for close-ups. And they're like, what I'm going to do is zoom in and put it on portraits. I just, I feel that I'm fine with portraits. With portraits, I've been hitting you with the portrait. But you know how, actually, I can trust you. I can't trust other people. You guys, I take so much pride in taking a random photo. And she took one of me in France that was take one. One shot. And that was the shot. It's on the grid. One shot. Yeah. For a shot. Perfect shot. But also, like, you just, you have a body that's made for one shot. You know, like, you just never know with my body. I look different in every photo. I think I look great. I'm proud of me. But like, I look like a different person in every photo. I think that people look at photos themselves and they're like, Oh, no, it's like somebody could have changed the angle of that photo. And you would have looked totally different. It's just like not a good view of like how you really look. Cameras. Photogenetics. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank our partners. And then we'll just jump right into it. Thank you to Bloom. Get 20% off your first order at BloomNU.com with Code GGE. And thank you to Revolve. Get 15% off your first order at Revolve.com/GGE with Code GGE. And thank you to Goodwipes. Get a free pack at Goodwipes.com/GGE. So if you guys think I look a little tired. It's because I was up all night listening to my neighbor in the hotel. Get the daylight's fucked out of her. You are so lucky. Raida, you are so lucky. So I typically stay over in the meat packing district at the standard. But I want to stay in Williamsburg because I have never spent the night there. I actually lived in New York for like a decade. She keeps explaining Brooklyn to me. So I guess, yeah, like two nights ago, I was like, I've never spent the night in Brooklyn. Like, I don't think I ever slept out with a guy. Like, they probably came to my place. I only lived in the East Village. Yeah. I mean, maybe in my 20, I don't know. So I'm staying in Williamsburg because I want to get a feel for the neighborhood because that's where I think I want to live. So I'm staying at the Arlo. Nice hotel, which is the Williamsburg hotel where we took our first photos. So our very first cover art, our very first photo shoot. Jeremy took these photos of us. It was our very first photoshoot with all the food and everything. If you guys know, you know, and now it's the Arlo. The walls are thin. So last night, I hear like a screaming. I thought it was a child at first. Then I thought it was a dog screaming. Then I opened my door a little bit. It's the way it's set up is I'm kind of in this little hallway. And I'm 401 and 402 was right across from me. Really close. But this woman is screaming having sex. But I thought she was fucking in the hallway. She's in the stairwell. She's in this room. Also, her noise is sound a lot like my noises. If you're curious, what my noises sound like. So I just opened the door and I just hit record on my phone. So Raina could hear a normal person. I think it would be inappropriate to play it on the podcast. I wish we could. I thought about it this morning. I mean, I think it would have been appropriate. So the first inappropriateness would have been to not record it. So thank you for recording. You're welcome. But I did think about playing it on the podcast. And I thought like, would that be okay? [laughter] I sent it to Anna Royceman because she was like, how's the Arlo? And I thought all I did was send her the video. I said the walls are thin. Okay. Here's the other reason why I wouldn't want to play it. The only reason is that if somehow she was having a fair. And like her partner like tracked this back to her being at the Arlo in this room. And heard her voice. And that room. Oh, also her voice. Well, that voice sounded like my voice. Sound like a lot of voice. I wanted to ask you that. I don't think your partner or whoever me, someone who knows you really well could pick out your orgasm scream. So I was thinking about this because I picked up my nephew from daycare the other day. Totally. So obviously like the connection. [laughter] So Adrianna and I went to pick him up from like two-year-old like whatever it is. Daycare. And the kids that were saying like, mommy like, I could recognize the little kids' voices. Like crying or yelling mommy like a one-year-old. Like I could recognize it. Because I just thought, oh baby, sound the same at one-years-old, don't you? Yeah. But they don't. Oh, oh, yeah. And like I guess same with like similar dog breeds, their barks could sound like it. Like could I pick a Zool's bark out? Could you pick a Zool's bark out? Do you think so? I think so, but I could be wrong. Like his register? You could be wrong. I think orgasm sounds are a little closer together. It sounded like a white woman. [laughter] So it's the reason why I want to play is just I wouldn't want us to throw in the bus. No, we wouldn't get dragged for that. But I want to ask you. So here in a woman have sex. I was slightly, they went twice within an hour. It was slightly annoying because I was just trying to sleep. But I was not really bothered by it. I did not hear the other person at all. I guess it could have been another woman. But then kind of grunt their register's lower. If I hear a man having sex, I'm calling the cops. I've been violated. Hold on. Wait, you're so right. You never hear men. No, no, no. 3-1-1, I have a noise complaint. I don't want to hear a man grunting having sex, whatever. Grunting. It was really one-sided. A woman, I might grab my vibrator. I mean, it was pretty hot. And I was like, I think most women making those sounds is pretty hot. I'm trying to remember there was one time Shashank and I were in Malibu for his birthday. And the woman we could hear her like climaxing. And it wasn't hot for whatever reason. I just didn't like her voice or something. But this was was pretty good. Wait, what's your question? Do I think I could identify it? Sorry. Do you really own it? really all right. I only want to hear women having sex. - Okay, I'm glad you asked. I mean, my whole life, I've pretty much deferred to lesbian porn, like since I was really young. When I do hear somebody having sex in a hotel, like I will masturbate to it. Like I think it's really sexy. - I just feel tingle. - Yeah. It's like really sexy to me. I also like a little bit of exhibitionism, like sometimes when I masturbate, I'll fantasize as somebody's watching me. - Totally. - Or that somebody can like hear me. And I like also if I'm having sex in a hotel, I'm turned on by the thought that like somebody other rooms could hear me. And like I was going into my hotel in Rome and this couple at the same time walked into the room right next to me and they were like, don't do anything we can hear. And I was like, you guys could do something. I could hear. - That sounds like you guys are about to have a threesome. - It was funny 'cause they were like older too. - That's how it is. I feel like it's giving like Samantha Jones when she was gonna have that threesome with that couple. - That he said it and the wife just kind of like giggled and I was like, they were propositioning you. - Damn it. - It was in the middle of the day. I was like a lemon. - You go to Rome like every week, you need to be having threesome. It was like 11 in the morning, it was not threesome time. It's not done. You get afternoons at least. But yes, it really turns me on. I do only want to hear a woman having sex. I guess I've never thought about it, but I don't want to hear a man grunting. - So this is also what I want to talk to you about is hearing versus seeing. I am not telling Shoshank about this because I don't want him to think about it and not want to fuck me tomorrow. So he's coming in town. I think he don't want him to get his head about it. - I don't, but he's, 'cause he listens to the podcast, he will find out. - He'll find out, but this will be next week. He's coming in tonight. He's not super shy about it. We've had times in hotels. Even the first time we had sex here in New York and the standard in the East Village, we felt like people could see in. We find that kind of hot too. Again, there's a line. We are not exhibitionists by any stretch, but we've been in situations where we thought someone might be able to see and I do think it turns us on a little bit. We're not bothered by it. But something about hearing someone on the other side of the wall, I feel more in my head about it too. I don't know why, 'cause why do you-- - That somebody can hear you. - Yeah, like on the other side of the wall, I don't know why, like seeing me would be less private, but from afar, like something about, I don't want that woman to hear me tonight or something. And I don't think Shashank would, like, I think he'd be in his head about it too. It's interesting. - I agree with you. It just feels like, when I'm aware that somebody's on the other side of the wall, listening to me, it feels like, a little more intimate than if somebody's watching me, which you could just see them in the hallway. - Yes. - Like I think if someone from across the street in a high rise in New York City was like, I saw Ashley get her cheeks clapped, I'd be like, yeah, you did. - Uh-huh. - But if they were like, I heard her moaning on the other side of the wall, I'd be like, oh, stop, there's something more intimate about it. - I can't wait for my finger on it. It's just like hearing my come sounds. It's like crazy to me. - Right, like you can look at my naked body, but I don't want you hearing me. Okay, so here's the thing. Okay, remember my ex and I were in Miami, and you and I ended up on the same floor and my ex was there for a couple days. He was only there for sex purposes. That's what I wanted him there for. And I was just like, I don't want Ashley to hear us having sex. But I'll send you noots. I send all my friends' noots all the time. Megan and I were on a trip once, sharing the same room and I was like, I have to send this guy noots and she sat there on her laptop working while I took photos of my tints for this guy to jerk off too. Like, I would much rather you see my naked body. - Yeah. - Then hear me coming. - Yeah, and because I've seen it. - Right. I don't know. I'm trying to think if I walked by a hotel and you were like bent over getting fucked by that guy. - With a watch. - If I would have been like, I think I would have been like, and kept it moving, but I don't think I would have been like, oh, stop! Like if I would have heard you. Like, rain, I was telling you, I feel like if I heard you having sex through a hotel wall, I would bang on the wall. Like, stop it. This is not good for the friendship. - Okay, but I wonder if you and I, it's like you and my sister have sex. Like, it's different. I don't, I have no good friends. I want to listen to them have sex. Then we do have those one friends that you will say that have sex in the Hampton. - Yeah. - Yeah, that was, again, just her. - Just her. - She's very hot. - That might be the hottest person I've ever seen. - I got up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night and heard a little something and then got closer and put my ear. I grabbed a glass from the kitchen and put it up to my ear and it gets to work. - As someone who also had sex with him kind of recently, I understand it. I understand those moments. - I just feel like if you were over here in a couple of have sex, like as a woman, I think a lot of us women feel the same way. You guys let us know in the comments. You're hearing her and you're like, "Okay, I'm gonna turn on by this." And then if you heard him, like, come and do like a, "Oh, or like a long-come sound." You've experienced a long-comer. Like, take me right out of it. - Even, you know, I really like phone sex a lot. And I like video phone sex and I like jerk off videos. I don't really want to, heavy breathing is pretty much is all I want to hear. And like, I'm the one having tons of that person. - Like, if I heard a guy's dirty talk, I would kill myself. Like, I don't know, if I heard a guy's dirty talk, I might like that. - Do you really like that? - I just feel like, "Oh, I don't even know him." Like, I just want to hear her. - It's the moaning and the come sounds of somebody I'm not having sex with that I don't want to hear her. - And like a, ugh, (laughing) like, you know what, they're breath gotta catch us. A lot of guys are silent-comers though. And you normally have to worry about it. Okay, but in general, like, I've been thinking about this because I mean, you're in a hotel, which is fine. Like, you're gonna check out of the hotel. You're probably never gonna see the people again, whatever, but like, I haven't lived in an apartment building in kind of a long time. And I forgot that like, people, a lot of people, there's 500 apartments in my building. People are on the other side of the tunnel. I know, well, they're far from your bedroom. - Yeah, but like, sex has no place. You could have sex in the living room. Well, I do have a white couch, so I probably won't have sex in my room. - I'm just trying to, how far was the next door down? Like, I have people on both sides. I don't, I think if you were having sex in your bedroom, people walking by the door couldn't hear it. Maybe. - Also, I have a lot of little kids on my floor. - A lot. - Like, if you can hear them, they can hear you. - And that's what I'm saying. Like, so when I walk down the hallway, I can hear people in the other apartments. Like, if they're right by the door, I can hear people talking. - I know. - So people can hear you. And I just, I forgot, like, are these kids going to hear my come sounds? - I know, it really is so crazy. I saw this apartment that I really love, that I feel like if we make the move, which I'm still just really can't decide, but this would probably be the one. There's just a lot of things about it I love. The ceiling is concrete. It's incredible. She was like, you will never hear someone above you. And the way it set up is kind of weird. It's over two floors, it's a lower floor. And I could hear someone in the hallway. There's an entrance, it's not important. Anyway, she was just like, you can hear this guy now. You can hear him, he's like working on something in the gym. And then it was pretty loud. She shout the door, couldn't even hear a peep. Like, they have designed this building to be so quiet. The concrete floor ceilings. Like, I remember living below a family in my last apartment in New York. And I could hear the kid doing everything. Like, everything the kid played with. Like, I hear stuff dropping on the floor. He's like, a little play piano. I could hear fucking everything. I just am so confused how people build buildings like this. I don't hear anybody in my building. If I'm walking down the hall, I can kind of hear people. But above, below, my building is really old. It's like 150 years old, maybe more than that. Actually, it was built in 1889 or some shed. Oh, it's a historic building. It's a historic building. I don't hear anybody. And that's an old building. I don't know. What do I do? Maybe they read it or something. The doors are so close together, it's hard to describe. There's space in the hallway. There's little kind of alcoves. And then that's two rooms. And otherwise, it makes the room really quiet. But me and this girl, if we're both having sex at the same time, I don't-- I might have some front desk just when she's checking out, just so I know. Because if she's there tonight, tomorrow night, she's going all night. They have some stamina, whatever they're doing in there. But then for a minute, I was like, is this a one night thing? Because it sounded crazy. I don't know. In the beginning of a relationship, when you're a long distance, you will. I mean, the way that Kane and I would fuck the first time we had sex-- [LAUGHS] --throw her back. Or to say a name. The first time we-- It's a compliment. The first date we had, we went back to hotel. We fucked four times. And we were like that for a long time. Yeah. So it's just early on, no kids, vacation energy. Yeah. But I really think for the apartment, when I think back to old apartments I've had, and yours, we'd never heard anybody. I've never heard anybody having sex when I was walking down the hallway. Yeah, summer I lived. I mean, in my first apartment here, no one lived on the hall. Yeah, it was just me, and a bunch of caution tape and corpse. Mitch McConnell's corpse. But second one, you're right, I never heard of it. It's weird, because I'm like, were the parents upstairs never fucking? Because I could hear the kid. Oh, that's true. Yeah, probably not. OK, well, if you guys let us know in the comments all the things. Would you rather be heard or seen? Would you rather hear a man or a woman? We love you guys weighing in. And can I just say, I love seeing the comments again, and I don't sit in these comments sections all day. We'll glance here and there. We want to engage with you guys. I've been seeing some more people clap back, and I fucking love it. Clap back at each other, or about that? Yeah, like if someone says some shit, someone claps right back. Someone, today I saw on the snack, someone said something. They didn't like the way we talked about the diarrhea outbreak. And someone clap back, it's not CNN, they did fine. It's not CNN, they did fine. Yeah, talking about diarrhea, like we're not health reporters. Someone says something else. They were like stopping in pairs social, let them live. Like I was just like, okay, like guys feel free all the time. Like again, we know when people fighting, but if someone says some shit, again, don't start no shit, won't be no shit, you start some shit, let someone else get in there and defend us on our behalf. I'm glad that you brought this up, because I have been wanting to say this for a long time, and I forgot to. When people publicly comment stuff on the internet, you can clap back at them and go back and forth. And we did not talk about this in the snack weeks ago, but the season three of America's Sweetheart's Dallas Cowboys are talking about all the hate those girls get. They blocked out those people's handles. that we're commenting on them, you should put those people's handles online with their-- whole chest. Thank you. Yes, like you made this choice. I just, you know, you publicly comment and talk shit on people, you get what you get. Yeah, exactly. Don't start or she won't be in a jet. Okay, well, we have Stasi today. So excited to have her. 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Now she's back on our screens with a new reality TV series, House of Stasi. Please welcome to the show, Stasi Schroder. Thank you guys. You just made me feel so legit. Oh, legit. I appreciate it. I don't know. I'm like so in the bubble of my brain that I don't think I can see myself from the outside. Like, I talk to Taylor, Stracker about this all the time. Like, where I'm like, I can't see myself from the outside. She's like, you don't get how cool and big you are. I'm like, I don't think I do. But like that made me sound-- I think that's humility. That's good. Yeah. You know what I think it is? I think it's like I didn't have overnight success. Also good. I've been working at this since I was like 16. Yeah. That's when I was on my first reality show. Wait, what? Yeah, I don't know this. What is this? Great. I did it to myself all the time. What was it? I was on the amazing race. I did know this with my family. Okay. Reach in and plant. Okay. Emoish, air like face, black area. Who, of your family? They did a family addition. Yeah. My dad, my stepmom, and my-- the whole family. One of my brothers. Okay. Yeah. They only did the family addition one time. Okay. So I got like a little taste of like fame or whatever that was back then. Then like I did another reality show, a little bit more than like, you know, that one. Stop it. You're freaking them off. Yeah. This is on you. Yeah. I know it is. It sounds like you want to talk about it. Why am I so weird? I got-- No, I love it. That one was called Queen Bees. It was like rehabilitating mean girls. Is somebody nominating you or my mother itself? No, it's okay. I was scouting. This is the thing. The person who had cast me on amazing race was like-- Is this show still-- It was like so fake, you guys. Find it on YouTube. That was the fakeest thing we have ever done. It was, and it was like a mind-fuck. Could we revamp the show? Let's just talk to Hulu. Okay. So because of that. Okay. So because like then, you know, Vanderpump rules happen. I think everything's just been such a slow. I still don't know if I've like hit the success mark yet. You know what I mean? There was no overnight success. I think that's better. And I think that's longer lasting. And it's like a sustainable career. Like I think when people get truly famous overnight, it's always, they don't know how to handle it. And I don't think it's long enough. No, they turn it to weirdos. Yeah. I do notice that like the people that I meet who like had success really quickly, they kind of just like have an attitude about them or or they're just, they're wary of everyone. And like trust, I can be socially uncomfortable pretty often. Okay, but I have beta blockers for that. But like people with overnight success, they're just like, they're a little weird. When you ask like a publicist, who the hardest clients are to work with? My friends and our publicists always say people that got like overnight. Overnight success. I'm getting nods. I'm getting nods. I love nothing more than like a long career. Like the people I respect, like musically and even in like radio, like someone like a Howard Stern, like that is like impressive to me is like long sustainable careers. And people who get famous overnight also probably worry that they're gonna lose it. And they have to grab everything all at once. Yeah. You've been able to like build all these things over time. It's like really impressive. Well, I appreciate that. I still worry that I'm going to lose it. And I, you know, there might come a time where I do again. Sure. And then I'll just like build that shit back up. But that's a valid fear. But like you did put in the work. Like you wrote the first book while you were on Vanderpump. And then you were off Vanderpump and you were like, I'm gonna keep writing books and I'm gonna tour. Yeah. And I'm gonna keep doing the podcast. And it's just, it's impressive to have that like resilience and keep going. You know, it's like I joked that I'm like kind of like a roach. It's like you can't, like I will survive. Like I will. Yeah. No matter what. So like if I have a career decline, I'll figure that shit out. Do you talk to your daughter and son about that about career declines? Not yet. Just about like resilience. About being a cockroach. You know, I haven't had that that talk with them. But that is something when people are like, what do you want for your children? I want them to be happy. And I want them to be survivors. Like, I want them to be able to like withstand like any storm. And like just know that they can like find a way out of it generally. Of all the things you do, do you rank them? No, I'm kidding. But do you rank them? I want to know like, do you get different types of joy and inspiration from the different things? Yeah. Like what do you like the most? What do you hate the most? So are we talking about just in terms of like working career? Podcasting, reality TV, books, touring, and being a mom, rank that also. No, I'm kidding. Okay, can we take the mom out of the way? It's like so fucked up. Because it's not your number one. It's the most rewarding when it's the hardest. It's the hardest. It's the professional stuff. The professional stuff. I would say at the bottom, I think, and I'm saying this because I'm like really over it right now. I'm like out of this like phase for the moment is writing books. Okay. it's very hard. - Yeah. - It is really hard to sit down and just like force yourself to like sit and type. It is, it's a lot. - Yeah. - And I really have to have something to say when I'm doing it. And luckily like those three books, I felt that creative urge for each one of them. And I was like, I have something to say. I have so much to say. I have like, I'm like bursting with it. But it still's like a fucking boring ass process to like do it. But everyone keeps asking me, not everyone. But a lot of people ask me, are you gonna write a fourth book? And I'm like, not anytime soon. I have no opinions or stories or anything to say. Like I need way more life experience. I just like put out three books where I'm like, I had a lot of content there. Like, let me beat mute now. Like I don't have anything of substance. - Well, you have to go on live. I mean, I think all three books kind of fall at a time in your life where you're like, I have a life experience that can be authoritative on. - Yes. - And now you have to go live. - Yes. So I would say that's last right now. Second to last is touring. It's fun, but it's like you're away from your family. You can't be doing anything else. Like you have to just be flying around the country. Like that's a lot. So like I don't like something that just like takes me away from all the other opportunities that I'm having. I like to be able to like do a little bit of everything. Then I would say podcasting because I can do it from home and I just love talking, especially to Taylor. - Yeah, but number one, the love of my life in terms of work is reality TV. I fucking love it. - Mm-hmm. - Like, okay. - Yeah. - Then I want to talk to you about it. So like, I mean, Vanderbilt rules I say this on the show all the time. I think it's the greatest reality show that was ever created. - It might be. - And you guys were actually friends, actually dating, actually living with each other. Like you can't manufacture that. You can't pay for it. It's not like making the band. Like people try to recreate it and you can't create that magic. So I think it's the best reality show that's ever existed. But like reality TV has really changed since you were on TV. - Yeah. - So like, how do you feel like it's changed? In a good way, a bad way, are you excited about it? - I think that back then, all we had to go on was like, the Hills Project Runway, America's Next Top Model. Do you know what I mean? There wasn't like that much. I think Jersey Shore, but I never watched that. So like, we didn't know a lot about reality TV. There wasn't like so much out there. So I think back then, there was no ulterior motives. Like, you know what I mean? It was just like, we are trying to be successful in Hollywood. We don't have brands or anything like that that we need to protect. We're just like trying to like get the next gig. You know, and Vanderpump rules was like our next gig. - Yeah. - Now they're with like the Bachelor and every show that's out there, there's a trillion of people are like, you're here to build a brand, which you should be. If you're doing a reality TV show, you should be building a brand. But then that makes for like inauthentic scenes. People are scared to like really be themselves. And so like everyone is just like censoring themselves or they have examples of like previous shows of who they want to be. They want to be like the, Kristen Cavalier, it's fine, me. - The size of the shoulder of like their own show or whatnot. Like the areonematics of like, you know, their show. Well, you can feel that too. And someone's trying to have that moment. Even like on the Loves blind or something like that. The altar they're trying to do this baddie thing. And you're like, it's been done. And it could feel people trying to emulate someone else. - Yeah, people forget that like what makes really good reality TV is just truly being who you are because there is no one like you. You know, it's cheesy as it sounds. Like that's the best shot you have at success. It's just like really tapping in to who you innately are. - So like when Vanderpump was on Instagram was in its infancy. There was no TikTok. I mean, there wasn't this like feedback loop that everybody gets today. - Oh my god, yeah. - So like, you guys what year? - What did it say? - It's 2012 or 2013, something like that. - I mean, it was so crazy. - So I remember seeing like you guys post an Instagram photo in one scene. I was like Instagram is like in its infancy. - I don't think I even posted for Vanderpump rules. I don't, I, no. - Did that change when you guys like legitimately became famous? Like that show was just like waitresses and bartenders. But then you were like really famous. - We weren't, okay. - I didn't feel famous until season five. - Okay. - I distinctly remember I had started my podcast. So I was like a year into like doing it, I think. And I got like all, you know, they were constantly like flying us out to New York first class. - Oh. - And when we were like, it was very exciting. And we were like always, we're always doing like watch Heaven's Live and like all these press opportunities and then I was getting flown out to New York because of my podcast. And it's also early for a podcast. - That, oh yeah, it was one of the first. - Yeah. - It's really early. - One of the first reality people to do a podcast. And that was like when I was like, oh, I think we're successful. Like they're flying us out here to like do fun shit and putting us up. But like nice places and I had like enough money to like buy Christian Louboutins whenever I felt like it. - You know what I mean? And so that's like when I felt famous ish. But like it took five years to feel that way. - It is always the Louboutins. - It's like that's my first big project. - We had that about on the show. I bought my own Louboutins. I was like, this is it, but we did a whole intro. Like the first time I bought my Louboutins I was like, I have an announcement everybody. - Yeah. - But I still only have one there. - My feet, that great. - You know what, they're so fucking uncomfortable. - The auto shoes. - But they're a classic. - I know. - They're classic. - Well, I sold them all on Poshmark. - I sold them all. - So they're more, fuck these shoes. I have to put socks in them and then blow them dry with a hair dryer to stretch out the leather. I could sometimes run for our live shows 'cause I would walk from the side of the stage to the chair. And I was like, I'm gonna throw up in these eight steps. This is so bad. - I can't believe you were Louboutins. - I'm like, I need a millionation ritual in a chair. - It's also so funny to think about the bachelor early days because those people weren't even trying to get famous like in Hollywood. They were just trying to find love genuinely. - Yeah. - It's kind of nerds. - Yeah, look back. There's no way to know now if you're on there to really try to find love. You're probably not. - No. - So I love like old reality, original reality TV programming. - Yeah. - It's the best thing for a while. - It was so pure. - When no one knew, even Jersey Shore, the way I was so magical was them not trying to be famous. - Yeah. - They were just trying to go to the beach with their friends. (laughing) - Jim Taylor. - Well, you've had love in reality TV. It's interesting, but you had this like really toxic years long like storyline with Jacks. And then my storyline with Jacks was not years long. It actually is only like the first two years. - And people like never actually see us together. And so it's so wild that people were like, "Stassie and Jack, so vintage." I don't know if they ever even saw us kiss. - That's so funny. - Did they? - It's kind of like a Mandela effect. - Wait, what is it? - It's what it is. The Britney Spears head set thing. - We broke up in like episode two of the first season. - That's so funny. - But yeah, people like rewrite his story. - I guess I think of it 'cause like, Creston and all that storyline. - Yeah, 'cause he was like trying to get me back. And I was like entertaining in a little, you know? So like, I guess, you know, there's that. But it wasn't that many years. Like, I was on "Vanon Puppels" for eight years. That was just two of them. - That's so funny. So tell us about "House of Stassie." - So different. - And like, as much as you want to share of, is this all your idea and creating it? And like, how did you make this be such a great fit for you, something you'd want to go to work and do every day? - Listen, you guys, they worked really hard for this. - Yeah. - Like this, we've been working on this for over three and a half years. I mean, now four years. Like, it's been a really long time with two of my best friends, Jenna and Foy, who were producers on "Vanon Puppels." And like, after "Vanon Puppels," we were like allowed to be friends. 'Cause when you're like on a reality show, you're not allowed to like, fraternize with the crew and all that stuff. So we got closer after I was off of it. And we created this together. And then partnered with Scout, which is, you know, they have amazing producers there that like, really let us, you know, like have our vision. And we wanted to just make something that was as authentic as we possibly could make it given the space. And so we make it a point to break the fourth wall and like, acknowledge the show and what that means, you know, as much as possible. Because like, we're not pretending that we're sitting here and this is in a job that we're also doing. - Love it. - You know, like, this is also a job. - Was that day one? You were like, that this is the format of the show? - I wanted to do that. - Yeah. And I thought that was just like really important. And, you know, it's elevated stylistically. It just feels like art to me. The music is so different. You know, we have chapters and different ways of like doing things. And I'm just, I'm really excited about it. Something different. People are either gonna love it or hate it. They're gonna be like, this is so not what I'm used to. Fuck this show. Or they're gonna be like, this is so not what I'm used to. I love it. No one's done anything like this. So it could go either way. Which is really scary. 'Cause I'm like, if people hate it, it's like, where do I go from here? - I think people are gonna be really amped to see on their screens again. And this is what, like, to see you is like a wife and a mother and you had this amazing relationship with Taylor and her wife Taylor. - Yeah. - To see you guys altogether will be like very different than like, let's fight at a restaurant. - I mean, though, our fights at restaurants. (laughing) - I hope so. - So we got invited to the Halloween party, but I was getting married. So we could make it. - Damn it. (laughing) - We could fight to our little team there. - Okay, so they weren't, like, loud and explosive. - I would have missed it. - Yeah, that's okay. It's okay. Season two will invite you guys to our party. - Yeah. - Anything else you can tell us about the show? - I don't wanna give away too much. I would really bear our souls. I think people are gonna be surprised when they watch it. I'd be like, "She let this air." I think people are gonna be surprised. I think people are gonna be like, "Wow." If she's an executive producer, I would think she would cut this out. 'Cause I don't look great a lot of the time. But I feel like it was just really important to show this stage of my life and what was really happening. I feel like the second that I'm like, edit this out, it's downhill from there. - That's interesting. - That's brave. - I mean, it seems like it comes naturally to you. I'm projecting. - I'm very much used to it, and I'm very much used to people having negative comments or opinions or whatever. I can handle that. Now I'm more so scared for the rest of the cast. I'm like, can they handle that? - Okay. That's where I feel like my anxiety and my stress is, is holding their hands throughout this process. But for the most part, I feel like they're pretty damn likeable. I don't know. - Yeah, I mean, Taylor and Taylor are so likeable. - Oh, they're fine. - We met Rob and he was super nice and likeable. We wanna talk to you about working with Bo, though. And working with you. - That's tough. - That's a tough one. - Okay. - It is, 'cause we have a podcast together, and we've had it for like four fucking years now. That's a long time. And that gets hard where I'm just like, you're not doing it right or like, you're not telling the story right. And then like that like seeps into like the rest of the day. And so then I gotta like bounce back from that. - Yeah, I mean, live work and play together. - Yeah, it's hard. It is. But yeah, we've managed it. And then filming a show together, he really brought it. Like I, I, you know, I had like drilled it in everybody's head that like if we're gonna do this, you need to be honest about everything you're thinking and feeling, okay? There's no sweeping things under the rug. There is no pretending something's different than it. There is no not talking about an issue. We are talking about everything. This is our one shot. It's like, Eminem, mom, spaghetti. One fucking shot at this. So you guys gotta be open. And I just didn't expect Bo to be so open. - Okay. No, I, I love this. - Maybe a little less of this. - Maybe don't think, I created a monster. - No, like, can you not? - I was like, be open with everybody else, not me. - I didn't mean me. - Wait, stop. - I said, me. - I can't. - Yes, the kids. (laughing) - Okay, so was that the biggest surprise? - That was a huge surprise. There were a lot of surprises for me. - What did you think he would just kind of hold back or? - I guess he saved a lot for the cameras. (laughing) He was like, well, I know we're gonna be filming then. So I will save this and not have these conversations with you until we're actually doing it. - Yeah. - Which like, okay, professional. - Superstar, yeah. - All right, I got it. That was a little hard on me. You know, I think because I was a producer, I thought I would know everything that was going on. I did not. - Interesting. - Is that hard for you? Are you a control? - No, I'm used to that. - Okay. - In terms of reality TV, I'm used to it. I just thought I would like, over here things. - Okay. - I had made it a point like day one of filming. I sent like the whole cast to text message being like, just because I've been the general up until now. Like, I'm no longer your general. Like, I'm tapping out. I am now a fellow cast member, your friend. - Right. - Like, I don't know about whatever's going on in your stories and your storylines. Like, I got us to the point where we are greenlit. Now, it's go time and I'm just like, one of you. I just thought I would over here things. - And I didn't. (laughing) - You know? So I was really, again, they listened to you. - It was kind of, like, goddamn it. - By a lot of shit. - They were like, that's so funny. It just kept getting the surprise from your own show. - And if you decide to watch it, you will fully understand. - Okay. - But at the end of it. - Is this different than the last time you guys, you and your husband were on TV together? - This is feel different. - Yeah, 'cause it was like in Vanderpum Villa and we got to just like chill out in the apparel spritzes. - I really am interested though in your marriage and the working together of an all. And how do you guys manage conflict? Do you have to take breaks sometimes? I mean, truly working and raising children together. And it's a lot. - No, it's a lot. We've gotten used to it. - Yeah. - But like, yes, there are times even like during the podcast where I'll be like, stop it. I'm like, we're starting this over. I need to go upstairs for a while before we start this over. - Okay, okay. - Yeah, I need to like, go walk away. And like, it's hard to like, reset your brain to like, not be annoyed with your partner, you know? But like, you just like, gotta do it. - Yeah. - And, you know, we've been to therapy together. I guess like that was helpful for him. Not me, I don't really like therapy. But, what do you think you do really well? Good friendship, the communication, like what? - I think that we're each other's rocks. Like, we know, there's a safety with each other. We're like, I think even after like watching this show, you're gonna be like, are they okay? Like are they okay? But like, we always know, we're okay. - I love that. There's nothing that will come between us. We will be okay. So like, whatever it is we need to do, we will get there. I guess we just like, recover really easily. - Okay, yeah, that's huge. - I know. - I'm curious, like, I think some couples are really afraid to fight. And like, even my brother and my sister-in-law, they've been together 15 years. David, I think they have the best marriage ever. But my sister-in-law is like, every time we fight, I'm like, this is it. This is the end of them. And she's like, nothing has ever happened to make me think that. But every time I think that, and I think people are afraid to fight. So, no, fighting, it is scary. So like, I will say that because of Vanderpump rules, like, it's made me more afraid of fighting. - Oh. - 'Cause like, I by nature I'm a fighter. - Okay, okay. I'm used to that in every relationship. Like, that's just like, you're not afraid of conflict. - That's just like what you do. But because people were like, oh my gosh. Like, when they would see a fight on Vanderpump rules, it'd be like, this must be the end or like something like that. It made me be like, oh my god, is it? So I have to remind myself a lot of the time, like, no, it is okay to fight. Because people are so scared of it. And then when they see us fight, their reaction to it. As I'm like, you guys, no. This is just like an argument, even though it feels like, bobe, like when we had that big fight, I'm like, that was not a big fight. That was a, that was like a discussion where I was like a little bit louder than normal. Okay, like, you don't know what a fight is. Okay. Because of them, it's like, you're screaming, I'm like, excuse me. You have never heard me scream. - Yeah. Which I guess is like, it's kind of fucked up on my part, you know? That like, it has to be like, I don't know, someone pulling me like, by the hair for me to like, think it's like a fight or something, but. - But it's like in your nature. You're like, I'm comfortable with that. I grew up with it. - Well, it's like, I don't know. I just like, I'm not afraid of fighting. - Yeah. - Well, it sounds like you're not afraid to also mend and manage conflict too. Like, I do rebound very quickly. - Even in every time is huge, but you're probably, like, if there's a conflict with a friend or your husband or a family member, it sounds like you're willing to repair it. I don't think you're-- - Yes, but there are also times where I'm a good goaster. - Okay. (laughing) - You can't go through. - You can't put me in a box. Sometimes like, you know what, it actually would just be easy to just like, avoid this, then actually talk about it. And I will, I will just bury it so deep down that I forget it that it happened. (laughing) That's called balance. I just, I bring it up, I think people are really afraid of conflict and like, what's gonna happen if they bring something up? And I had like, one of my best friends was saying to me that their day is something like a pretty serious problem with a friend of hers. And I was like, you're right, and she's wrong. And there's no other, like, this is very black and white to me, so just say the sentence. You will be right. This is the easiest fight you will ever have in your life, just say the words. And she was so terrified to do it. And once she did, she was like, that was so easy. And I was like, I don't know, you're afraid. - What were the words? - Yeah, what do you mean, tell her she was wrong? - She was going through something in her life and a very close friend of hers just refused to acknowledge it, refused to bring it up, kept talking about herself. Over and over, and she was like, this is crazy, that she is just like, on a loop about herself, but I'm clearly melting down. And she just like won't talk to me about this. And I was like, just say the words, you are right. I promise you, you are right, and she will apologize. And if she doesn't, you got bigger issues in this friendship. But I think people are like terrified of conflict. I mean, nationally, aren't, but like, that's gonna life long. I've had to coach myself into being good at it and be like you, where I can say to myself, I'm not gonna lose this relationship 'cause I have an argument with somebody. - Yeah, I'm not scared of conflict at all. I mean, and we've navigated that in our relationship too. Like, I used to ruin a dinner. I don't care. And I'm also managing my own anger, huh? - Yeah, I'm a dinner ruiner too. - Okay. - But I'm like, you can wait, you can take a deep breath and you can bring this up later. But like, I just don't, a backward. Just sometimes it needs to be said. Sometimes it needs to be done. - Yeah, yeah. - So your kids and being on the show. - Yes, how much, like, can you walk us as much as you want in terms of? - Just a little bit. They would like it to be a lot more. Like, they love when the cameras are there and they just call the crew, the people. So like, when they leave, they're like, where do the people go? What are the people coming back? But that's really sweet. I'm glad they like the crew. - No, they do, but like, they're not like, you know, storylines or anything like that. They're kind of just like around. - Okay. - I didn't want this to be like about the kids. This is about me. This is about mommy. (laughing) - You guys are background noise with the people. (laughing) Okay, I mean, I think that's, that's like, feels like that's the right balance, right? - Yeah, like, they're there. - When they get old, they're secreted. - When they're a little bit older and they kind of like have more of an understanding, they will pop in, more scenes if they feel like it, if they want to. But like, right now, it's like, they're in it, but minimal. Uh huh. Yeah. You're Dar's five? She's five. I don't know how much of a storyline I could shoot. I know. It's a, yeah, yeah. For love life. Oh my gosh. Are they like, hams for the camera? Yes. They want it. Okay. Yes. It's really cute. Okay. That's really sweet. My daughter right now is at theater camp. So I have to go, I'm going to go watch her performance later on this afternoon. The star is born. It's really cute. I love that. So we want to talk to you a little bit about, you talk a lot about letting go of like perfection and trying to be perfect and even just, it's really hard for me. Sorry. Like I trust. Okay. It's like, no, it's like something I struggle with like, huh? Is it really? Yeah. Okay. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And then that and also perfect might not be the right word. Just like relinquishing control. I think I'm someone with control issues. Well, that's why I thought you when you said it like you stuff was happening. You didn't know about. I was wondering if that was hard. Well, no. Well, so that for some reason, I think just because of the fact that I'm so used to reality nature, all I know is not having control when it comes to that sort of thing. So like that was easy, but I am controlling in every other aspect of my life. Yeah. How do you manage that? And like again, this like, did you feel more, I don't know, 10 years ago, this like, you had to be perfect pressure, look perfect, be perfect. Or was it just like life is messy? And this is the reality of. No, yeah. Life was messy. And then that was just the reality. Like we were just like so broke. Like just trying to like survive. You know, that there was like no time to think about image or perfection or a brand or creating something, it was just like this. Yeah, these are our messy lives. I feel more pressure for perfectionism now. Yeah. Even though I'm older and should know better, it's like my head knows better. But like it's, I don't know if it's just society's pressure on us and social media and seeing, you know, everything else that everybody's doing in everybody's lives, it's it fucks with my head. It really does. Is it the, is it the pressure to be a perfect mom or to look perfect, perfect wife? Is there like something that like weighs on you? Perfect mom, weighs on me more than anything else that like really, and you honestly, and you see that actually on the season. Like that's something that really comes out and people struck a nerve and it's like my Achilles heel. Is it judgment or just your own standards? It could be a little bit of both because I worry every day that I'm not doing the right thing for my kids. Like I, like my husband like Bo does most like he does the drop offs. He does their breakfast lunch and dinner. Like he does all their appointments. Like he knows everything about school and all that and like when certain things are like I don't know any of that. So like our roles were reversed in our household. Like I maybe do pick up like twice a month, you know. And so I'm like, oh my gosh, is this traumatizing my daughter that I don't do pick up that often. But I'm like, but I'm also working. Like yeah, does it? Yes, but like it, so there's a lot that I worry about that I'm like, is that okay that I'm not doing some of the school activities? And I'm like, but I'm working. And I'm like, I'm accomplishing like my goals and my dreams. And I'm like, hopefully it's enough for them to see their mom happy, you know, and working and and trying to hustle and all that because I do feel like if I wasn't doing everything I'm doing, I don't know that I would be fun to be around as a mom. Yeah. Yeah. You know, put your own oxygen mask on. Yes. And also like, you're hiring some like nameless faces. Nanny, they have two parents that love them. We do have a nanny. Sonia, she's our the heart and soul. Good for you. Sonia has really run this house. Your husband's involved. Yes. They know that like two parents love them. They just divide the rolls up. Did that come like naturally that breakdown of like, yeah, it wasn't really something like we had actually kind of discussed it before we had kids before COVID. Like when I went on tour, I'd asked him, I was like, you know, do you want to come on tour with me? Or do you want to stay back and like, you know, he was working in casting. Do you want to stay back and do that? And he was like, you know what? I kind of want to go on tour. I was like, so like, if we're starting a life together, we're like, we're working on like my businesses. Like one day, I'm going to want to have kids and I'm going to want you to be like, really fucking present as like their dad. Okay. So like that was like discussed years before we had kids. Okay. Then we had kids. It was during COVID and it was just really easy to fall into that routine because he's naturally better at a lot of the things that I am. I don't know how to cook. I don't know how to do that. I don't care. Like I don't know. Feeding a child is so boring. Like and it's messy. And it's just like tedious and like, and he's into it. Well, now it's more than you. More than me. Yes. Better. And so like we just kind of like fell into the like, well, I have to go and work on this thing. So you have to be the one that's doing this. And it wasn't a conversation. It just happened. Was the way that it was. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to ask that too. If it was like family meeting, we got to figure this out or just cut. I mean, I think that's great. Yeah. Like you both fell into your natural roles. Yeah. So I think people look at your life. They're doing everything. And do you still get this like comparison, looking at Instagram or other people are doing? And or do you feel like totally secure? And no, I sometimes it creeps up on me. I think people like want to hear that. It's just like it's we're all human. And you know, I have to actively choose like whenever I feel like that feeling of, I don't know if jealousy is the right word. Just like, it's like the FOMO or something or like, Oh, shit, I should be doing. Yes. This. I didn't even know that I should be doing this. Right. Like that feeling happens all the time when I'm follow, you know, see my peers doing things. But I have to remind myself that like, and I've told myself this for a while. I wrote about this in the book. I got this from someone else from the the Bostics actually. They said this one time. They were like, if you are ever feeling that feeling that we're describing, imagine you have to just completely switch places with them like everything in their life. Like their spouses, their body, their wardrobe, their kids, their house, that everything, that feeling will like quickly go away. And whenever I think that, I'm like, Oh my God, I would never trade my life for anything. I love that. That feeling goes away. And I then don't feel like, Oh, I got to catch up. And like I do make it a point, like I sound cheesy and I like my old self would like cringe at me saying this. Like I do practice gratitude a lot. You have to. Of course. Like the other day. Oh my God. We were. I knew that's what was coming. I'm sorry. I just think gratitude. My husband. We feel the same way. But when I like took the kids the other day to this like Italian restaurant I love by Taroni, but I can't remember like Borolo or whatever it's called. It's on our spot. We took our kids there and they were so fucking well behaved. It was like a beautiful day of like weather wise like in LA. And like I had like an apparel spritz and we had a lovely time. I had lemon pasta. The kids like didn't even ask for screen time. They didn't even try to like we just like played card games asked each other questions colored all that. And then we got in our car. And like I was like responding to like emails about the show. And then like we're driving a poem and I saw the Hollywood sign. And I was like, I got everything I ever asked for. I got everything I fucking asked for. I love my husband. I fucking love my two kids. I love my house. Like I got this show. I get to work with my best friends. Like what the fuck? How the fuck did this happen? That I got everything I asked for. And like I have those moments all the time where I'm like you need to be so fucking grateful because this can literally all be taken from you at any second. You never know someone could be come sick. Someone could lose a job. Like it just like anything can happen. And I don't know. I'm just like I'm really grateful. I love that. That's really beautiful. I'm glad you feel like that. Yeah. I think it's an incredible sentiment. Like look at somebody else's life and think of all the sacrifices they have to make to get there. And would you want to live their life for a day a week a month? Yeah. It's really important to pause and think like all the things that you get to have. Yeah. And like I would choose my life any day. I do that to have that. Like now you don't get to practice gratitude. Oh no, I do too. I do. That is. Okay. We do everyday. Every day of our life is a gratitude journal. Honestly. But I think that we are all the same. And that yeah, of course we fucking do it. But we don't have to go just preach like wake up every morning. I don't have a journal. I don't. Yeah. I don't like make it a point. We do it every morning. I sat my day with a gratitude. No, I do. Okay, but now I do have to ask you. Do you have like a morning routine? No, it's like survived. It's a morning routine. Like that is just like us being like, okay, we're up. And like it's like, do I have to like wake up like to the sound of screaming or is it like do I have to wake up early to go shower like get glam or something like that? It's like every morning is different. And it's like it's always chaotic. And then it's like, who's taking more car? You know, it's just, yeah. Mornings. I really don't like them. Okay. Do we see some of that chaos on the show? Yes, not morning times. I didn't know. We didn't film a morning time. I love how I see this morning. We didn't film this morning. We didn't film a morning routine. No, I, because I probably would have been like, you guys are going to have to get there set up at like 5.30 a morning to then catch everything. That's a lot just to catch a morning season two. I'll do that for you. Okay, thanks. Make sure you grab a two journal. And meditate and cold plunge. So your career. - I like to talk about careers that kind of like ebbed and flowed and you know, there was a time where I feel like you weren't out as much in the world. You're also having kids and like writing and things like that. - Yeah, I was down. When you were in that place, did you feel like were you scared of coming back or being irrelevant? Or that you would never come back? - No, yeah. For a brief moment, there was like, let's move to Italy and start a food truck. That lasted like a day. Okay. Then there was like another brief moment of me being like, I'm going to be Chris Jenner and I'm going to manage Bo's career and turn him into something. Yeah, so then there was that. And then I was like, who am I kidding? So like that was like a week of my life that I was just like, you know, maybe I'm just like never going to go out there again. But then once I got over that and I was like, you're a stossy fucking shooter. Like, who are you kidding? I had and I don't know if it's because I was pregnant because if I weren't pregnant, I think I probably would have spiraled and like, you know, during 2020 become like a full-blown alcoholic and taking a lot of Xanax and numbed myself. You know, but I was pregnant. And when you're pregnant, or at least for me, I you get like pregnancy bravery, pregnancy confidence where it's like, you like, I just, yeah, and I really believed in myself. Like, I just really did. And so I was just like, you're just going to take a long ass break to work on yourself, to like, be out of the limelight, enjoy your life, enjoy having your children, and just like really figure out like who you are, and just like plan your next move and plan it right. Like, and there was like never any doubt in my mind that I wasn't going to come back in some sort of way. I really do believe in taking breaks, not that I chose my break in 2020, but it is good to have breaks and let, you know, be out for a little while. I think that's important. I think it's important for other people to hear too, because I think when you're down, it's almost impossible to see like through the haze and to see that like this will end someday, and I can pivot and reinvent and rise again. But no, but being down is like, there's something really inspiring and hopeful about it, because like, when you have no opportunities and like nothing, like there's nothing to lose, there's the, the world is actually kind of your oyster, anything can happen. So whatever it is that you want your life to be, you're starting from the ground zero. So it's like, all right, what do we want to do? There's so much opportunity in that. Like, when you have nothing to lose, take a big swing, just, I mean, we just talked about that recently on an episode. We did like an episode about the millennial midlife crisis and a lot of people at a certain age just being like, I don't know what to do next. And I was like, if you were really at the bottom, that's the time to try whatever the fuck. Yes. So I feel like the worst times in my life have manifested like the best things that have happened in my life. Right. I lost my job and my boyfriend I was living with. I was like a country song. And in the same week, I got fired for my job. I caught my boyfriend cheating on me. I had to kick him out of our shared home. Oh my god. It was the worst week of my life. I had to go, I was Thanksgiving. I had to go home telling my whole family. I know I got a job or a boyfriend. No, that's awful. And then like, I found everything right after that. You just, you can't take big swings because like, nothing really fucking happened. I know. I agree. I try telling my sister this. My sister's a part of the show also, because she is like going through it. And I'm like, Georgie, you literally don't have anything to lose. You have no responsibility. Like, you can do anything you set your mind to now. Like, what do you want? Like, at this point in my life, I can't be like, what do I want? I have two children. So like, I have a responsibility to them. I have a lot of, you know, people that are relying on me. I have like a lot of pressure. Like, I can't just be like, you know what? I think I'm going to switch gears and just like, do this instead. Now I'm on the path. Like, I'm on the path that I chose. Like, you know, there is no turning back. I got to lay in the bed that I fucking made or whatever the fuck I remember people say it. But like, that's, that's where I'm at. But when you're, you know, you have nothing to lose. That's a beautiful time. There's single fully no partner and no kids. Literally nobody. Yeah. You know, and even like, Rayna is going to move to New York. And I would like to be there. But I have to think about my husband and his job. That's new for me too. Yeah, I guess. I could just leave. I'm like, long distance again. But it's like, that's a newer feeling. No, it's to consider a whole ass other person in their life. Yeah. You know, I mean, I, I got it. I sometimes feel like, oh, you're single. I'm like, I got it made. I really don't have to consider anybody. And it is nice sometimes. And like, I had a low moment last year where I was like, I just had nothing going on. Actually, I was getting married. She's on tour. She's doing all these things. I was like, Oh, I can be a comedian and go on tour. And like, it was born out of that. Cause I was just like, I got nothing going on with anyone. That's glorious. Well, women are just amazing. Also, like women will just be at the lowest point in their lives and be like, look what I can do. Women are incredible. And we truly so well. We do. What man is ever pivoted? A no shit. What are they doing? We have a girlfriend that like her whole life came crashing down. Yeah. Like her pet died. She moved across the country. She caught her, her relationship ended. Why is everyone cheating on everyone? I don't. Why do you think? I don't know. I don't know. Like, I wonder like, who has the time? That's my brother says it all the time. He's like, I don't have time to cheat on her. When they really don't understand. You would anyone have time. I really beside people without kids. The moral issues. I just like don't like, let's take that obvious out of it that like that's really wrong. You should get out of your, you should exit your relationship before you feel feelings or want to do something like that. When do you have the time? Well, right, but like, and then with a bunch of women, like with the whole Andrew Huberman thing that broke a couple years ago. That was crazy. How does this guy? He had like six girlfriends. What is his career? He always moving in with one girlfriend and now we can found the time to go on a trip with another girlfriend. I don't know this person. Andrew Huberman? No. Don't worry about it. Okay. That's when men actually, that's when they can multitask. Like six girlfriends. He became more popular because of this guys really teach me how you do this. But yeah, I don't know people have the time. I don't know how I couldn't have the emotional energy to have your partners. No, I barely have the emotional energy to give love to my husband because I'm using it on my kids. I got literally like, I'm so sorry. Like I actually like do have like a cap on how much love. I'm not just like overflowing with love. I'm not like not that person. So like, I'm using most of it on my children and so I'm like, Bo, I'm so sorry. Like, you don't get that overly affectionate person that I used to be. But like, just know, I love you and I'm aware. Like I'm aware. I won't go to therapy but I'm aware. You are me. I'm like, I'm aware. I'm just not gonna go. Are you guys in therapy now? Or do you just go in and like for two nubs and whatnot? Not right now because it's just like, no, it's the time. Thank you. Do you know how hard it was scheduling? Do you know how hard it was? Also because we had the same therapist as Taylor and Teddy and she was on the East Coast. So we had to factor that in that it's like East Coast timing. So like, it was just like so hard and then like every time we did therapy, I was like, why does this smell like this is directed towards me? Let me do him. Yeah, like why is this always on me? I'm not the one that wants to even be here. This is so annoying. I didn't ask for this meeting. It just felt like I was being bullied and I'm just like, right, I don't know. It just, it isn't for me. If he asks again, I will consider it. What if you pick the therapist and you pay the therapist and you're like, look, I hacked a win. Maybe. Yeah. Okay, I've one more question about the show. Yeah, you have some like miscellaneous things. Well, I'm just, I'm curious about filming with Katie Maloney again and you guys had this like iconic friendship on Vanderpump and that was the storyline. Don't tell me it wasn't. It was for years. No, it was. It was. Don't undermine me about your show. But I'm curious like how it is to film together again. I think people are just interested in like friendships, ebbing and flowing in general. And like, can you have a falling out with somebody and then find each other in different phases of your life and how's that been? Well, we did have a bit of a falling out. That was being before a couple of years ago. And that was a moment where like I actually chose to ghost because I didn't want to blow up a friendship. I was like, I want to just separate myself a little bit. And then that just turned into wait, we've barely spoken and barely, but we haven't acknowledged that there's a fallout. It was weird. But having her back, that has been incredibly comforting for me in terms of like filming with someone who I'm used to being with like no one gets it like her and me to get like innocent. You know what I'm saying? And Christina Kelly also, like she's also on the show and like she gets it also. But like Katie, you know, started Vanderpumpers with me from the beginning. And it was just like having us back together again. It was like writing a bike and just like, oh, this is how we do it. Uh-huh. This is how we do it. And it was really fun being force because reality TV forces you to do this to like express what you're feeling. You can't sweep things under the rug. So we were forced to really like talk about everything. And then like that just like brought us closer. I think people would be surprised to like find out that like, yes, reality TV does ruin lives. I guess it does. But if you choose to do it and see it in a way where it's like, or it forces you to have those hard conversations so that you get past the next level and you get closer and you get to a more honest place, then it doesn't have to ruin lives. It just like brings you closer and to like, you have more of an understanding of each other. And I think that's also part of why like reality TV so much. It forces me to have those conversations that I normally would be too fucking lazy to have. That'd be like, I'm sorry, my day is full, I have two kids, I work, I'm not fighting about this, or I'm not discussing how I really feel, because there's just not enough time in the day. When you're filming a reality show, you have to. - That's your therapy. - And that is my therapy. That is my therapy. Yeah, and then everyone gets to see it, and just dissect it and judge it and like, what are you? - But that's the best advice about conflict. Zoom me out from the show too. I tell people too, when Ashley and I have conflict, I feel like at the end of it, I know her better, I understand her boundaries better. She understands me better. It does strengthen your relationships with people, or the one that's forever open. You gotta choose your route, pick your adventure, I guess. But I'm just of the sensibility that it makes me feel closer to everyone. So maybe that's why I like to fight so much, 'cause I'm just like-- - I'm so sorry, I just verbally annihilated them. - It's a closeness exercise. - Taylor always does say that meanness is my level language. - Do you guys have conflict, you and Taylor? - No. - I don't think we've ever gotten, we've never gotten in a fight. She's gotten in her head. I mean like, oh my God, are you mad at me? And I'm like, when, bitch, what are you gonna learn that? I've never been mad at you. Like, you are some rare unicorn that like I, the second that we met, it was like soulmate energy. I was like, this person is gonna be in my life in a really profound way for the rest of my life. Like, we just have this like connection. So like, I don't think we fought. Yeah. - And if you guys are curious about Taylor and Taylor who are on the show, we had them on our show in December of 2025. You guys can listen to that. And Taylor's been on our show a couple times. - Yeah. - They were here filming, and we were just like, how much can you share, you know, so-- - They better have shared nothing. - They did it. - They did it. - They made you share it, it was really a bummer. (laughing) - Okay, well Sassy, thanks so much. - Thank you. - This was so wonderful. - This was so fun. - This was so open. - I hope I didn't worry about my too much. - No, it's just perfect. - You guys will also let us know. - Everyone's saying it's okay. - Okay, the whole team is happy. - We've had the biggest team we've had in here. - I'm a big deal. (laughing) - First time in the games in here. - But we're just really excited. If you can congrats, and we're really excited to just see what you've created. - Thank you. - It's really exciting. - No, I really hope you guys like it. And you're not like, flop. - I can't wait to watch it. - It will be out July 29th on Freeform. July 30th on Hulu. - Okay. - All episodes dropping on Hulu. - The whole season? - Oh my God. - Yes, so you can binge it. - Oh yeah. - And then I'm gonna leave the country for a couple of weeks while everybody has their opinions. - So don't start a food truck in Italy. (laughing) - Okay, and then where can people find you? - Google me, @stossyshrotor. - Yeah. - Google me bitch. - What was Google me bitch from? - Google me bitch. - A kid? - Right. - Google me bitch. - Well people can watch your podcast on Netflix. - Oh yes. - By the books. - God, I forgot how to do this. - Oh no. - Yeah, you can watch Stossy with Tay on Netflix. Listen to it wherever you get your podcasts. I have a picture on with Beau. My husband called the good, the bad, the baby. Sometimes I post on TikTok. - Okay, well thanks again. - Thanks, you guys. - Thank you. - And you can find us girls at e.com, girls that we podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I'm Ash has on Instagram and TikTok. Rain is Raina, Doc Greenberg, Raina Greenberg, Doc Humbert, tour tickets in the fall. - Wait, I have shows this week actually. - Oh. - I am just, I'm Nashville and Salt Lake this week. - Oh my God, that's fair. - From when you were six. - Yeah. - Okay. - Second, two best shows. - All video and Spotify and YouTube and subscribe. Share this with a friend. We will see you guys Thursday. - Have a great week, guys. - Bye. [BLANK_AUDIO]