Pibisiin podkasta on suurin järjestelmä. Mä oon, mistä käydellisen katka rapuleivän? Tilaamalla tarjoilijalta. Let's party! Nyt laivalle huippu enullisen äkkilähtä hintaan. Varaa heti. Talliksiljapistetti. Nuhni! Lähetäks laivalle. Olen Shannon Maldonado. Käsintehtyjä artesaanitua teita myyvän jaujiin lahjakaupan perustaja. Valitsin Shopify, koska alustoja testa testani totesin sen ehdottomasti yhdeksi helpokäyttöisimmistä alustoista. Minulla oli tärkeää pohtia kehittymistämme tulevaisuudessa. Kaikki myyntiin tarvittavat työkalut, kuten varaston suunnittelu ovat kätivästi dashboardissä. Aloita ilmainen kokeilu Shopify piste komsi vustolla. Tämä on kokeilu, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa edeksi. Tämä on sinne katsoit. Tämä on tämän kokeilu, ja se on tämän kokeilu. A, kuten menee, on tämän hieno, kuten menee edeksi. Sitten on varaston, kun menee sähdään kokeilu, ja se on tämän hieno. Kuten menee, on se, että on kokeilu, niin joten on tämän hieno. Tämä on tämän kokeilu, jotenkin päristää, kun menee sähdään kokeilu ja teknologi. Tämä on tämän kokeilu, ja se on tämän hieno, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa. B, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa. Jotenkin, Joe Frost, supernani, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa. Tämä on tämän kokeilu, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa edeksi, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa. Tämä on tämän kokeilu ja teknologi, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa. Tämä on tämän kokeilu ja teknologi, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa edeksi, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa. Chris, kuten logistikset järjestelmää on tämän kokeilu ja teknologi, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa. Alex, tuohon tuohon, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa. Alex, on tämän kokeilu ja teknologi, jotenkin pitää seuraavaa. Tämä on tämän kokeilu ja teknologi, jotenkin pitää seuraava. Chris, onko tämän kokeilu ja teknologi, jotenkin pitää seuraava. Tämän kokeilu ja teknologi, jotenkin pitää seuraava.
was the conversation here at the G7 about Russia, about the threat that Russia poses to Europe in particular. But if you like Western democracy more broadly, now the government's made the case you heard it from the Prime Minister. I think this was an isolated incident. The second the word "Russian" featured in the conversation relating to this warship and then the discharge of a gun, you know, the firing of a gun, it sits into that wider context. And I thought I want to ask the Prime Minister about it because I detected having seen that response yesterday that he would be up for saying something and you heard there that he was talking about it as reckless. And the Prime Minister, you know, picks his, this Prime Minister in particular, but Prime Minister's in general, but this one in particular, pick their words very, very carefully. It clearly decided he was going to use that word in advance. He said it to someone else, so I think it was to Chris Hope of GB News in his interview as well. I thought it sat in the context of what's happening here. And then also that story, Daniel Dismonia, our colleague, but as the other day, on the BBC, that the conviction of those two men for arson connected to the Prime Minister's house in North London and a car that he used to own, involved Russia. And so just that sense of Russia sitting so prominently in various incidents that can be seen certainly in collection, if not always individually, as acts of aggression. And I looking at that incident in the channel, I was just really thinking about something that Jeremy Bowen said to me a few years ago about why international tension and chaos is bad because it leads to unpredictability, which can then spiral into crisis. And okay, this incident in the channel hasn't become an international crisis. It was presumably very scary, as we've heard, for the people on board. But it just shows you, if you've got a world where there's aggression and tension between the UK and Russia, and there are Russian vessels in British waters, then of course, you're going to get incidents like this, which have the potential to go very, very badly wrong. And we're just kind of lucky that in this case, it didn't. Now Alex, let's go into the portion of newscast that it's kind of going to be the post maker field by election section. But the fact is the by election hasn't happened yet because recording this on Wednesday, the polls open on Thursday morning. Just give me your take from the from the streets of Makerfield, which isn't a specific place, but give me the vibe. The towns of the maker field constituency, yeah, I mean, we've all covered a fair few by elections and elections in our time right, but honestly, and I'm trying not to exaggerate this or be too hyperbolic about it all, but this genuinely does feel different because when you even as soon as you get to the constituency, you start to see all the placards up in the window and even neighboring properties might have placards with one house saying I support Robert Kenyon of Reform UK. And the next house saying I support Andy Burnham, there's a lot of them across the constituency. As you drive round, there are literally just like teams of campaigners and canvases out on the streets kind of everywhere. I bumped into a couple who just showed me the leaflets they'd had through their letterbox in the last couple of days and it was like a fairly thick wad. You know, from all different parties actually and in the town of actually Makerfield itself, I was there just trying to get a sense of what people feeling think and the issues that they care about. And honestly, there was one point where I was bumping into more journalists than I was local people. I mean, journalists from Poland, you know, just journalists from all over the world. There were a couple of journalists from France on the train when I was on the way to the constituency. So it's obviously there's a reason there's so much focus on this is because we know what's at stake. We know that Andy Burnham has said if he wins this by election contest, then he would enter any leadership contest that was triggered against Keir Starmer. We know there are other parties, including but it not exclusively Reform UK 14 candidates in total fighting this by election. But what I think I would glean from what I've picked up so far is the sense that almost everybody in this constituency knows what's at stake as well. You know, they know that they are making a decision that's going to clearly have an impact on the constituency. It's going to be their representative and what they do for the towns of Makerfield. But it's also got potential consequences for the country and there's a real awareness about that. Chris, I know you went to the constituency a couple of times. My sort of takeaway now that we're at the end of the campaign is it's not ended up being as weird as I thought it might have been because at the start it's like, oh, this is going to be like a primary campaign, almost like a presidential primary in America to pick the next prime minister. But actually so much of it has felt like actually a classic hard for by election. Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right with an extra dollar of attention. Let's be honest by elections always get an extra dollar of attention from folk like us because they're happening in isolation. I say in isolation is actually another two by elections aren't happening tomorrow as well. But clearly as Alex was saying this one is on another level because of what is at stake. And in the kind of prosecution of the arguments in those towns and villages to the south of Wigan, it is similar to the by election campaigns that you have candidates who are arguing about the degree to which they are authentically local. You have a lot of arguments around the specific pledges that candidates are making about the constituency itself. How often they're likely to be seen in that constituency or not if they win, etc, etc. But framed through that wider prism, which again to an extent happens at every by election, but this one in particular, that wider prism of arguably the central political tussle of right now, which is the tussle between the Labour Party and Reform. Of course, there's lots of other tussles in different parts of the UK depending on where you are geographically. Of course there are, but an absolutely central tussle is between the incumbent government and the insurgency of the last few years. And in many senses, Makerfield is a kind of petri dish in that wider discussion and debate with at its heart Andy Burner making an argument which will be the argument he carries on with if he wins the by election. Don't know if you had the absolutely volcanic sneeze from Robert Persson of ITV. Bless you Roberts. Maybe you didn't. I've completely lost my turn of thought. Oh yeah, that was it. This is that if Andy Burner can win, he will use his victory as a springboard to make an argument nationally, particularly to his own party, that he can beat reform UK in a way that lots of other Labour folk can't and therefore he should be prime minister. That would be the broad if slightly from my perspective crude simplification of the argument will likely to hear from him in the coming days if he wins. Newscasters everywhere are now trying to club together to either get a packet of tissues for Robert Peston or a box of anti-Histamines because he is sneezing away. Thanks for joining in Robert. Alex, I think another intriguing thing about make a field and bearing in mind everything Chris just said there about it being a sort of petri dish for the whole country and the politics that we might be about to get or the politics that we've already got. It just became about who is the best representative for the area who is the best local champion and this was that happened because that's Andy Burner's Trump card because he's local and he didn't want it to be about his ambitions in the future. And actually for reform they realized, oh yeah, Andy Burner's local so we can't run a campaign that's all about, oh he's some carpet bagger from down south who's just using this to get to Downing Street. So of course that ended up being a very local contest. Yeah, I think that's completely right. Although reform did try to make the argument that Andy Burner was using it as a sort of stepping stone to Westminster in which case Andy Burner then responded by pointing out his kind of local links. But it's not just among those candidates, all of the candidates actually have been sort of brandishing their local credentials. And actually I think I would say it has become a bit of a theme of bi-elections that people do want candidates in bi-elections broader than this one to focus on what matters to them in the area and not to just have the sense that somebody's either been parachuted in or was just going to be in the constituency for five minutes and disappear off somewhere else. And it seems to be a theme that comes across in many bi-elections actually and perhaps part of that is because bi-elections do as Chris said, a track more attention because they often happen on their own or in this case as one of three. And I think that can sometimes be this sense and you definitely pick this up in this constituency of, okay, we're getting all of this attention at the moment, you know, the media returning up and all the parties are sending their ground troops and people are campaigning and there's all of this kind of focus on our area. But what we don't want is that then to will just disappear off over the horizon when the bi-elections over, you know, we want to kind of retain some of this attention so we can see the issues that matter to us, whatever they might be addressed. And I think that's been amplified in this bi-elections. So all of the candidates, not just Andy Burnham and Robert Kenyon, are really kind of like saying why they think they are the local person who would best address the local issues, whether it's cost of living or the high street or wherever else it might be. There is another sort of interesting element in this bi-election that's worth a mention and it's how well or not restored Britain due to the party that set up by Rupert Low, who was the former reform MP, you know, I've seen placards and posters from that party here. And that's going to be interesting because obviously what their performance may speak to is what's happening on the right of British politics. So it's sort of another element in what is already a pretty fascinating bi-elections contest. And Chris, it was notable that in the portion of your interview with Keir Starmer, where you were asking him about this, he was sort of trying to get out in front of it. So let's have a listen to that bit of the conversation. If Andy Burnham wins, and I hope he does, and that's why I've told our activists and members to all go and support him. So I hope he wins. But we then tip straight into the Manchester Marloty bi-election because that's under a timeline, starts pretty well immediately. So we're all going to have to find out.
focus on that. I don't think there should be a challenge because I think that is about a thing for the country. If there is a challenge, I intend to fight in any challenge to my leadership. Of course I do. So yeah, what did you make of what Kirsta Amar was saying? He was sort of, almost like he was talking to us from the future. Yeah, and it's intriguing because as I say, Prime Minister's generally, and I think this one in particular, pick that words very carefully when they are asked questions about how they may behave at a still hypothetical, if actually quite realistic and imminent moment in the future, for fear that they say something that weakens them. So you can understand rationally from their perspective why they might be careful. But as various scenarios loom ever larger, then Prime Ministers and their teams will start wargaming what they think might be strategically useful to say out loud. And the Prime Minister came into his round of interviews this morning, having decided that he was going to say that, "Oh, well, if Andy Burnham does win the bi-election in Makerfield, then hang on a minute, surely the real imminent priority for the Labour Party and therefore for him should be the other vacancy that he would be creating because he cannot be an MP and the Mayor of Greater Manchester at the same time. So if he wins the bi-election, he will have to relinquish the role as mayor and therefore there will be a bi-election for the Greater Manchester Mayor which could be keenly competitive with reform and the Greens and plenty of others giving him a fair roll go. And it's a prized jewel if you're like in the devolved crown of Labour's current mix of elected offices. So they would obviously want to keep it. And the Prime Minister's argument is effectively, you know, Andy Burnham, you've caused this first bi-election and if you win it, you're going to cause another one. So in order for Labour to stand still numerically, Labour needs to hold that bi-election. So why not focus on that? It is telling that Team Burnham have said that they regard it as absolutely ludicrous that you would postpone any kind of question around the leadership until after that mayoral race, not least they whisper. It would be much harder in their view for Labour to win that mayoral bi-election if it comes to pass with Kia Starmer still as Prime Minister than in a situation where either he has been replaced or there is a process to replace him. Chris, I'm going to let you carry on your bus journey because I think your signal is getting a little bit dodgy. So save travels and see you when you land back on British shores very soon. Goodbye. Cheers, Alex. Bye. Right, Alex. In terms of the other kind of plotlines converging around the Make a Field result, Wes Streeting, the former health secretary, he did a big speech on Tuesday talking about his view of the economy. He's calling his approach progressive capitalism. And then Chris was alluding to this earlier on in the episode. He sat down with Victoria Darbyshire on Newsnight and basically said, yeah, I'm ready to pull the trigger on this leadership contest that people have been waiting for for weeks. Yeah, and conversely, well, you've got the Prime Minister telling Chris that he thinks that there needs to be a pause in whatever might happen post-Make a field because of the potential of the Greater Manchester Mayoral Bi-Election, Wes Streeting is making the polar opposite argument effectively because he was telling Victoria Darbyshire on Newsnight that he thinks what he called the sort of paralysis when all of these questions about future Labour leadership asswirling can't go on. So what he was effectively saying was that he would be prepared to trigger a leadership contest. He said he thinks the Prime Minister should take the weekend to have a think about things and his preference and unparaphraising here. But he was saying that his preference was that the Prime Minister had a think in the eventuality that Andy Burnham wins the Make a Field Bi-Election. And then effectively, he was making the case he thinks that Kirsta Amish had sort of concede and maybe step aside. And then there could be a contest or whatever else at a timetable, that kind of thing. But we've heard from Kirsta Amish that all of the indications so far that he's not really prepared to do that. So then, Wes Streeting was saying in that eventuality, he'd be prepared to trigger a leadership contest and he was suggesting that he had the names, that magic number of 81 Labour MPs that he would need the backing of in order to do that. He was saying that he had them already. So I think, you know, it's hard to really know what the choreography of the next few days might be. But I think if, and it isn't if, Andy Burnham wins the Make a Field Bi-Election contest, then there is the potential and Wes Streeting was certainly signaling this that things could move quite quickly. And we could end up in a Labour leadership contest fairly soon after that Make a Field result comes in. Part of me just thinks what has recent history told us about Kirsta Amish and the Cabinet. It's told us that Kirsta Amish wants to stay and he wants to stick to the rulebook and the rulebook says that he automatically gets to compete in a leadership contest. So yeah, then actually the cabinet have already had opportunities to go and tell him that he should set out a timetable for his departure. I wonder are there other Cabinet members who didn't do that last time, who would be willing to do it this time, or will it just be the same members of the Cabinet making the same argument to him just a couple of weeks or a month or so later? And yeah, I mean, I'm wonder if it's going to be that different this time round, or does a potential bi-election victory by Andy Burnham just completely change all those calculations? And actually, I'm just sounding quite naive about what the next few days might be like. Now, honestly, I think part of it is that we don't actually know what the next few days are going to be like. We can speculate to the end of the earth and of course we all love doing that, but we don't actually know because you're right. With these things, quite a lot of it can come down to mood and momentum, two of which are quite important factors in politics. So I think, you know, the result of the make-of-field bi-election could set the mood one way or another, and then I think that people who've got their eyes on that top job are going to want to capitalise on any momentum, which is why things might move quite quickly, but I certainly think over the course of the weekend, the cabinet will be key, because as we say, Kirst Starmer's giving the message again, and again and again, and of course he would say this wouldn't he until he doesn't, but his message is very clearly that he is going nowhere, that he wants to keep his job and he's set out the reasons why he thinks he should. But obviously, you know, you do need the support of your top team and the bulk of your parliamentary party in order to do that, and that is where the mood bit of this equation might really come into play post-makerfield depending on the result. And Alex, as we come to the end of this episode of newscast, shall we revisit our successful spin-off format bi-election cast and would you like to give us one last mini-episode of bi-election cast from the streets of Makerfield as discussed, not in an individual place in itself? Yeah, quite, from the towns, the towns. The Makerfield consists of saying it until we go blue in the face. Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, look, we've already touched upon it, but it does feel like a really consequential bi-election, and clearly there's lots of focus on anti-burnum and how he does in this election. There's lots of focus on reform, and you have to bear in mind that reform in their candidate, Robert Kenyon, they are pushing hard here and reformed it well in a set of local elections that happened in May, but they are not the only two candidates, despite all the attention and understandable attention that there has been on them. They are not the only two candidates standing in this bi-election. There's that really interesting factor of really putting those party restored Britain and their candidate Rebecca Sheppard, and how they perform in this bi-election, what that says about where the arguments might shape up on the right of British politics. And then the list of the 14 other candidates, it is long, but I have caught up with some of those over the course of the last couple of days. And again, it comes down a lot for them about the battle of sort of localism, and if you like. So Sarah Wakefield from the Green Party, she's been talking a lot about wanting to bring in her words joy to politics and kind of positive solutions that she thinks there can be to voters that live in this constituency. You've got Michael Winsdani from the Conservatives. He's a former mayor of Wiggand, again, talking about his local links positioning himself as a bit of a community champion. Jake Austin is standing for the Liberal Democrats. Their real focus has been on the cost of living. That's definitely something that's come up, as I've been speaking to voters here. So they're talking about the plans that they have to try and tackle energy bills, for example. So it's a kind of, it is, there has been a sort of narrow focus on the perceived front runners. It is a long list and it is being hard fought. I tell you, you just need to be out on the streets of this constituency and you get a sense of it straight away. And what is totally fascinating is that while there are some people who live here who are like, oh my goodness, please don't put another camera in my face. I just don't want to talk to any more media or I'm sick of all the journalists quite understandably. I think it's fair to say there are others who see this as a kind of a moment when the focus is shifted to the place they live and a place that some of them feel has been overlooked or forgotten for a bit too long. And I think what the hope for many voters in this constituency is whatever happens after this by election, that focus just doesn't just disappear entirely and that some of the or one of the consequences of all of this attention might be that some of the things they really care about get looked at. I'll just always remember watching that question time special from the constituency and ending up zooming in on a map of some waste grounds next to the Sainsbury's because there was an argument about building houses there. I was like, yep, this by-election is just as local as it is national. Oh Alex, before you go, before you go, and I know you've got millions of hours of work to do, um, uh yesterday we were trying to bridge at Phillips in the education section. She was saying with when the social media ban comes in, children are just going to have to get used to a very retro thing which is being bored. What did you do as a child when you were bored and how did you enjoy being bored? I saw your interview with her and I thought that was totally fascinating, that kind of nation about being bored. I mean, I guess maybe there's an argument that says it's about resilience and learning to entertain yourself, but yeah, I tell you, I almost don't want to tell you because it's is going to make me sound like more of a nerd than people might already think I am.
- And please. - I genuinely was an avid reader. So I did used to read a lot of books, but I also did the other thing, which may be other people with sisters might find familiar, which is makeup dances. And I'm just really glad that there weren't camera phones around when I was a kid, because I hate the thought that some of the terrible dances to me and my sister made up to pop songs and then forced our family to sit and watch were never recorded on camera so that they could be rolled out at this stage in my life, thank goodness for it. - Yeah, whenever I was bored, I would just write a play or try and put on a show and drag good and everyone into that. So I think if we'd lived next door to each other, we would have been, we're probably being showbiz now. - We could have done it together. - Yes, we'd be on the stage now, rather than in the newest video. - It all could have been so different. - So Alex, you're gonna stay up all night on Thursday night doing the result of Make a Field, right? - Yeah, that's right. There's a special program looking at, because it isn't just Make a Field, two other Scottish by-elections taking place as well in Aberdeen South and our broth and broughty ferry and both of those are important by-elections too. So we're gonna do an overnight special with Laura Kinsberg and taking in all of the results and getting all of the reaction through the night on Thursday. - And we're gonna do a live streamed episode of newscast as is tradition at 7 a.m. on Friday morning. So if you're still awake and still standing and still have a voice, you're very welcome to come and join us. - Ah, yeah, I would endeavour to pop in. I'd really love to see you. - In Debra. - In Debra. - So you ever copied me. - In Debra, that's not yes. (laughing) - That was a caveat, did you? - Yes, we've been around two politicians for too long. Right, Alex, hopefully, speak to you on Friday morning. - Lovely, see you then. - Bye-bye. And as is usual at this point in the podcast, I will say that there is a full list of Make a Field candidates on the BBC News website. So that's all for this episode of newscast. As a reminder, we do not report political campaigns when polls are opening. So there is these episode of newscast will be about other things. Then you'll be able to watch Laura and Alex on BBC One overnight for the result. And then as I just previewed a second ago, newscast will be doing a live stream on all the BBC platforms at seven o'clock on Friday morning. And if you don't want to join us live, maybe you're doing the school run. Then you'll be able to listen to that episode as a podcast on Friday morning. So I will speak to you at all those points in the next few days. Bye-bye. - Newscast. - Newscast from the BBC. - From one newscaster to another, thank you so much for making it to the end of this episode. You clearly do, in the words of Chris Mason, ooze stamina. Can I also gently encourage you to subscribe to us on BBC Sounds. Tell everyone you know and don't forget, you can email us anytime at
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