Spittin' Chiclets Episode 684: Featuring Big John, Salim + Tripp Tracy

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Get that on camera. Pete Yandel, the song man. He's a full-time member. Marley just got an assist from Chris Bates. Whoa, man. Buzzing right now. What is up, folks? Welcome to 684. That's right. Episode 684 of the Spit and Chicklets podcast presented by Reese's. Somebody get Salim a Reese's. I'll tell you right now, guys. Nobody needed a Reese's more than Salim the Dream, or the former Dream. Salim the Nightmare needed a Reese's. All right, guys. So shout out Reese's. I actually just had one. I still have a couple of those. Pumpkin ones left over in the freezer. Not the fridge. The freezer. Thank you so much for being a part of our show. We love you. We love everything about you. Even Keith's brother, Brian, texted us the other night. He goes, this Reese's Oreo collab is sick, sick business. So we love Reese's. How you guys doing? What's going on, boys? You tell us. I know. Incredible, incredible day. I mean, it's finally time to talk about it. Yeah, we lost. Team Red lost. Congrats to Team Blue. That would be FP, Fat Perez, Bobby Ray, and Riggs. All three guys played incredible golf. Who knows if it's a different story if one of our teammates wasn't, I'm going to say, Front row Leonard Skinner. Front row Leonard Skinner drunk. Hammer drunk. Hey, literally. The amount of hugs and I love yous he said is more than any marriage. I think he was. Drowned it in hugs more than drunk. That's what I think. Now we can kind of go into all this. It was an incredible week, an incredible event to get that close. It's just like, oh, my God. And even throughout the day, you know, as we're losing the match, it's like, all right, try to pump them up. And people have said, like, why didn't you get them to stop drinking? Like, what happens if you try all week? What happens if you stand on the shoreline and a giant? Giant tidal waves coming? Like, do you think you're stopping it with any sort of protection or or or there's no boat? There was nothing there. There was nothing. There was nothing to stop at that point. I think at one point I haven't watched it yet either. So that kind of makes this a little more difficult. I don't know what was in. I don't know what wasn't in. I'll say this. Would you say don't don't. I'll say this at lunch. I mentioned to Celine. At one point. You got to get some food in your bud. And he's like, I don't need any food. I don't need any food. I was like, he went downstairs and he came back up and he got a phone call. Something something to do with his family. He was pretty upset about. I don't remember exactly what it was. And he was really upset. Good thing is he won't remember it either. And I hope everything's all good. I assume it is. But he was telling me all about it. And he's kind of emotional. And then. 10. To maybe 12 minutes later, we're going outside. I was like, Celine, let's let's do it for your family. Let's let's go get this done. He goes, I ain't trying to talk about that dog. I'm like, all right, let's go get him. He he had. I mean, he had 18 to 20 shots of tequila. I think immediately after the nine hole morning match. I think he ripped to boom boom after us moving on. Now that it's almost like you might. Ripped to which is just lost. It's the same day. Mind you, you guys are going out to play the next 18. And we had an hour. We had an hour and 20 minutes. I think maybe an hour and 10 minutes. And in that hour and 10 minutes, there was no eating. There was only drinking. There's a part of me that at the time, it's like this kid's been completely crippled since we arrived on campus. So and he's been money like we could be fine. It just seemed as though it was kind of even another level from his. One on ones the day prior with with Kyle. I mean, in which I think in the in the real room or the whatever the restaurant after he's like. And I want to match today. Golly, I love golf. It's like. I play golf was so fun today. Golly, what's too much to say that we wasn't entertaining the entire time up until the final. Like, that's a. That's a bold faced lie. Like, I thought he was lights out. He managed it well, but I guess at a certain point, like when you're drinking that long, it's just like eventually takes its toll on the nervous system. And if you're not watching on Netflix to see some of these pictures, I just remember that he's going to get that frame, by the way. And I believe Big John and Salim could be joining us within the next 15 minutes. And I want to get together with everyone and just kind of go over. And all his hugs, you know, he's a hug guy. We just over that. But it's also he doesn't just hug. He gets that backhand around your head. He's he's kind of like he's kind of manhandling your neck during the hugs. And it's like, I got you, dog. And and if the rest of my life, when I say like literally, I'm saying literally, literally like the way the clips. Now, Keith and I got on the plane. With Dave after and it kind of hit me and it and I was like, right, what I was like, because I like we we had a chance there. And I just didn't. You're in the moment. You're trying to stay positive. You're trying to kind of get your guy going. I think on the 10th hole, Big John probably hit the only bad shot he hit all week. He hit one in the water and we lost that hole. And I want to say that got us to like four down, maybe three or four down. And and I just know when we got on the plane, I got a video sent to me. And it was Salim. And I don't even think we can play it. Actually, we definitely can't play it now. And it was Salim on the private jet home. Just ripping it, wrapping Drake. Just like, I thought that maybe I was like, he just won. I thought you guys won. Literally saw that literally. It looked like Team USA when they were flying back from. Yeah, it was. Meanwhile, to think about. So, like I said, I haven't watched. It's debuting right now. I remember on the first hole, I hit a pretty good shot. He hit it a little far past. It was fine. A big John missed a pot, which he really never does. So whatever one down. Then the second hole, I hit one on the green. He hammered it by a big John made that one. So we stay one out. So then we get to three. And Salim even mentioned, like, what about not hitting driver? I might have said. It to him. And then he goes back to the car. He gets back to the T's holding his driver. I'm like, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. But he already swung. And he snap hooked that one into the shit. And then big John hit an incredible shot. I missed the putt for par. But I remember they had, like, a close putt for birdie. I think I just said, you're good. You gave it to them. Yeah. Yeah. They had two putts from what? Like four feet. Yeah. So we get to four. I remember we won four. We get to five. fp hit an unreal pot that was when you put it tight on the par three you hit a great iron shot riggs hit one to probably about like a like a 50 foot pot so you guys had the advantage you guys can birdie that hole to all square the match and then i think bobby ray was still like i mean i think fp ended up hitting like a solid like 10 12 footer to stay up that's how long it was yeah i think right after he missed remember he missed one prior yeah and then he jarred that next one fp was He's an absolute nail gun. They all were. They were. I don't know. don't really remember any of those guys hitting like bad shots yeah never back to back anyway there was there weren't too many uh weren't too many holes in their game they just they were supportive of one another they hit their shots and salim salim was uh and then the next one i know he snap hooked one out of bounds so then we're back to what two down i don't remember like the next two holes after that at one point i think dave made salim have a designated driver he couldn't drive you almost i think he almost ran somebody over hold and it's like dave's like all right at this point this is like was that the second hole yeah well the problem was though is i think when when when you guys teed off and the final match i don't think kyle was there yet no they weren't remember we had to call him and chetty we had to call them and and then salim's like biz get in the car like drive with me and i'm like i don't really not that i didn't want to help the guy out i don't want to die i well i didn't want to insert myself in the video to that degree i wanted to hang back with yans and just kind of observe the way we'd been doing it the whole time and i didn't want to get drunk off the fumes right so how about dave saying that he'd rather pay 10 mil than driving salim's all day and that was 100 true i don't think he's kidding no now once again guys i got a video sent to me after playing a losing a golf match in which i would have won 1.3 million dollars where one of my teammates was completely buckled and in the video right after we lost he was popping bottles wrapping drake on a private jet i mean if i haven't proven that i have some sort of like uh what do you take off the the golf carts to go faster governor yeah governor yeah literally yeah and and there was there was times where i i wanted to go smash his temple in with a seven iron oh that's what happened to your seven iron and i was i was playing somebody else's seven iron there i do i broke my seven on the range i forgot that i was playing a rental seven iron and and but once again like you're what are you what are you gonna do besides pump his tires i thought you and big john came out looking like absolute rock stars and yeah you were the whole week um you were supportive i mean you know fuck did was milsy maybe bunking with selene like was milsy there yeah he was oh yeah he was on a hunt he was on a hunting trip oh he was there doing the hunting and fishing and so then we can get into keith and i fly home with dave we're at keith's we got food and it's probably like one in the morning and i think that right then selene drops an instagram or it maybe it was the next morning where hey i'm doing a 90 day sober challenge i'm like this no you did out the math in the 90 days is today so he's gonna start drinking the day to get sober now now this is like that's what i get to see yeah i'm gonna do 90 days man but i can't help but like like the dream man he's he's an interesting cat likeable guy very likeable guy i can't imagine what you know there's all these people who have really loved this this tournament and the whole youtube series they gotta be kind of bummed out because the final match was a complete stinker i believe we lost on 15 uh in which he hit a snap hook down into the i remember losing on a snap it was a it was a hole he hit a snap hook and big john and i are 50 yards down a hill walking around a bunch of boulders looking for the golf ball and i don't even know if he came down he might not have been able to get down at that point he was on another planet man selene the dream what's selene's last name the dream yeah no middle name's the and then dreams his last name but wait i will say man like i've known you a long long time wouldn't say you're the most patient person no that's probably not a characteristic especially when it comes to like golf and all that shit and especially like around i remember when i first started playing golf i'd be doing stupid shit like marking the ball with my chapstick like just if i didn't have a marker and stuff and you'd be like no you'd come over and just like hit people's balls okay yeah and then but like the patience and like the the heart that you felt for this kid you and big john it was and i i loved watching it the only bad thing that's going to come out of it is like you could never like be pissed off around your kids and get you know rattled and because brie would be like dude you dealt with selene for fucking i'll tell you what people will say that like oh you know you guys had a chance and i think we did i love both those guys i really we had a great we had a great group that morning round where i was the weakest player in the morning round and selene was nails he made that putt he made that putt for double bogey on uh like the seventh hole he he was unbelievable unreal in the morning and then things got out of hand and i know selene felt bad i mean he texted me a bunch of times like i can't believe it like i i can't imagine his anxiety he's been been easy to deal with like waiting for this he's here we got him is he all right bring him in bring the dream in dream baby there's big john the dream what's up you sick fucks i wish i could give what's up guys big john mobile right now actually okay all right yeah you're living life big j big j team red till i die selene the dream what's going on hey bud what's up guys hey not much we kind of just went over everything what's up not so well that's okay selene so i'm gonna ask you what um what was the thought process on doing 90 days what led to that yeah as you can see as you can see it was because of that uh yeah you these last couple episodes was i mean looking back on it now being 90 days sober i just it's just crazy like i i just i totally embarrassed myself and i i cost the team i mean pretty much that bro like um it's just a terrible feeling like i don't feel great i don't feel great at all i feel like shit was it the hugs or was it the booze that got to you you went 90 days sober on hugs yeah yeah dude i just i just kept drinking i just kept drinking i just kept drinking i just kept drinking uh i obviously had a problem with it back then um i'm good now uh i feel healthy i feel strong uh mentally clear-minded um but yeah dude i just couldn't stop drinking i mean i was at a good pace right i mean you had a big you had a big time pace yeah and then you know once you wanted your aggressive pace yeah five yeah yeah you set the pace yeah i was crossing i was i was scaring the line you did yeah i was scaring the line like but yeah uh episode six right when we got out i was just i was out of it like i don't even really remember much i don't even want to watch the episode uh so salim when you uh when you played kyle like you had a you know a nice buzz on that day you noticeably like could tell you were in a different spot as we teed off for the final than in that match with kyle when you were that's the other thing you were a stripe show all week and you were smothered all week so did you realize it it had kind of gone over the uh the matrix at one point though yeah i was just happy to play golf like where i was just having a good time and i was drinking excessively maybe not i shouldn't have drank that much but i was having a good time and you know we were winning and then you know the drinking just caught up like like i just kept going i kept going i didn't stop it was obviously a problem like so yeah i mean i just drank it's also like we were drinking pretty heavily the first couple days as well you know only like leading up to the thing i mean i just like it's kind of like that shampoo effect you know we just get more hung over and hung over and hung over and then like the final day was yeah i mean we got a little aggressive i'm really sorry guys i'm really sorry you know honestly ryan and john we could like i mean the amount of obs that i hit out it's just like hey buddy we're all good honest to god like it would have been awesome to win but at the same time dude you're a great guy yeah you just you just it it happens buddy it happens now it happened on a big stage for you which stinks but don't think for a second john or i has any hatred towards you or anything it was just uh i probably i'll tell you this and i said this before you came on when i got the video of you wrapping drake popping bottles on the jet after we lost i hated you for like 10 minutes yeah i didn't know where i was like i just that's see that's so crazy it's just like drinking smooth swings it's just i just wasn't good i can't watch it like i cringe watching it so like i like i can't watch myself even clips like some clips yeah they're funny but like i can't i can't watch it like that's a totally different person i just hope you don't like like moving forward like yeah like obviously like it's a you addressing the fact that you have an issue like we don't want to make light of that like we're just kind of like you know we're trying to have a little fun with it so like from like a buddy to buddy standpoint where like we don't want you to carry this moving forward like you know it's like the best guy ever and obviously he doesn't care i almost feel like this is the universe saying we gave you sid D Crosby and then you got Salim in the final of the final internet invitational but uh yeah dude like I hope you're obviously able to be okay moving forward but we all on this on this zoom call right now know that you have a big heart and you know it got out of hand I'll say though man like you balled out and I did get a lot of joy from like when you were having the joy in the tournament it's evident that it obviously got to a level where it's like ah fuck it went over the deep end but buddy don't like don't carry this moving forward it's obviously you took the initiative to address it and and dial things in we've been seeing your swing online and and you're sober now so we'll support that from you buddy and like i said we love you you're a great dude and obviously it's going to be what it's going to be for the next couple weeks but don't let the negative comments online get to you too much to where it leads to anything more destructive moving forward so no i mean yeah well like listen at the end of the day you know i deserve it i mean i deserve everything that's coming to me you know all the time to pay the piper but biz is right you know it's just like hey take catch some heat we all we've all been there i don't know if we've been on this stage but buddy what are you gonna do it's over yeah it's over i mean you know it is what it is and i have to live with that you know so i'm gonna get some boys big john i would have loved if if salim was the salim prior two days i would have loved the match i think we could have given him a match now those guys they were fucking good yeah they played good they played good man fp was putting lights out yeah yep yep but big j so even in the loss even in the loss i'd say you're the breakout star of of the of the series and what were your thoughts going in considering dave didn't even want you there to where you're at now playing apogee on thursday afternoon yeah yeah it's unbelievable i mean especially like the story leading into it too with portnoy because like i was getting in his grill on social media he like did a lot of things he did a lot of things he did a lot of things he did a lot of things he did a lot of things he did a lot of things he didn't know what to expect when i met him so like for everything to go out the way it did was just i mean you can't can't script it any better and i know you love that shit too with i mean yeah you got to give the big man some so getting his ear every once in a while you know what i'm saying so that was cool that was cool i think for you guys too and uh especially you dream like the first few days you guys were the talk of the you know the internet invitational how much everybody loved you and obviously the last day is going to be a little different but don't forget that you guys are the talk of the don't forget that everybody had you know all that love for you guys you guys fucking balled out of your mind obviously selim you're a you know a bigger star coming in people knew who you were john you were kind of just coming up but don't forget that people were fucking behind you and people were rooting for you and big time at the end of the day like you guys are fucking great great people like that's at the end of the day that's all you'd want to be right that's at the end of the day yeah um i was gonna go back to big john like i think that people are obviously a story but like going back a couple years ago like weren't you working construction you were trying to get your your feet off the ground as far as like social content with the golf stuff what would you stay before this kind of propelled your your big break to where like you were even on the map yeah that was i i honestly just started posting everything i'd hook up like five reels a day whether it was like uh some douchey like little get ready with me at the beach or i go on a run or i'd go a lot of like i'd do these drunk runs bitch i don't know if you saw that like i'd go like drink six beers and run like six miles and the people really liked that stuff uh and i do day in the life's and kind of just post everything and then i kind of was on a spaceship and then after the internet and everything oh it's been like 2x it's been crazy it's been crazy who's been helping you with all these edits like all the edits and the post stuff like uh you have some behind the scenes because some of these have been fun with you toying with dave and i'm sure dave loves it too he loves all that shit yeah i got i got some guys shout out no contacts are the great but they do handle the edits and all like the little montages and stuff and yeah we have some fun with that like the eight mile clip that was pretty funny that actually got more views than the actual putt the eight mile clip i don't know if you saw that that was jokes yeah um but yeah the people love it dude and yeah it was sweet it was sweet so awesome uh dream out on the third hole remember we talked about not hitting driver and no he doesn't remember i know no you don't you don't okay okay uh i i just i remember kyle kyle told me he said yeah they were trying to get you to hit iron off the tee but you wouldn't listen um that's what he told me but like that specific moment no i don't remember it's pretty crazy yeah and dream how did you get into golf because obviously the talk was how smooth your swing is looking like ernie l's out there but if i remember correctly like a few years ago you kind of just got into it and wanted to turn pro and just started grinding your ass off right yeah well oh yeah very very unrealistic well back then i was very you know passionate about it and i thought you know i didn't realize how hard golf was like that like you know reaching like certain levels and stuff but yeah no that's definitely not happening you make john daly look like a priest yeah yeah i mean for me man i'm trying to you know mine is like road to like a five handicap um but yeah no i honestly i watched tiger woods documentary i remember going to the range with chaffee i don't know if you guys know chaffee um he brought me to the range and i was just there for hours like not even really hitting the ball just because i just like really wanted to hit it um and then i watched tiger's dock and then i just got so like into golf after that as soon as that happened like as soon as i watched that i was so into golf from there and then ever since then i was like you know i was on and off uh the first year second year uh but like really playing it about like four years ago is when i like really started um so yeah yeah i've been playing it yeah for about four years and yeah that's what really got me into it i remember one point in that match uh riggs was like laughing at you and i remember being like what the fuck are you laughing at and then you called him out for a 30k match so we're gonna big john and i need you to take him down get some of that money back at least yeah you need to wait i did yeah it's on camera i'll take it on camera you were like get this on camera golly literally are you serious yeah yeah so funny 30 30k 30 000 match on camera shook hands we will be at that match yeah we'll be there we'll be there oh my god these guys i was gonna ask both you guys just from re-watching it and like if whatever you can remember well one of them yeah one of one of whatever you guys can remember from the whole experience like what were your takeaways like who are the people that you ended up like like gaining some pretty fun bonds with and you know maybe who you're looking at as villains and like people are like ah that you know i i didn't really like that guy like what were your overall takeaways from the tournament from what you can remember and then from what you watched why are you laughing like that seems like i really like that jose cuervo i can't remember the tournament uh no everyone was great man everyone was great it was great meeting you know the people in uh you know the golf world um you know one person i really fucked with was roger steel i mean he's a really cool guy um but everyone was really cool man everyone was cool the event was like the amount of camera people just the production everything was just so man it was just wild to see it was interesting and you guys fucking killed it so um yeah all i mean for what i remember it was a great great time before you answer john before you answer john salim do you think you're getting the invite back oh man i hope so man i hope so i can i hope so too i don't know i don't know i'm gonna get i'm gonna guess no i and listen i don't know anything but i know dave after it was like that motherfucker yeah i hope you're there dream i hope we could team up again and and we'll be able to have a little lunch before we drink maybe yeah i mean i'm not i'm not expecting an invite man i i'm i mean like i said i fucked it up man um i mean i kind of ruined the competition of the tournament um by just getting fucked up so if i don't get invited man that sucks but if i do you know i'll never take that for granted again i think that dave dave's a big second chance guy and i i i could see him leaning towards that big john what what's your answer as far as like what you took away from everything in the relationships you gained i mean the me and the bob does sports guys got relatively pretty close like me and fp like that's my guy now like after that event like bro i didn't realize in the episode five i hand-picked the three guys that that beat beat us boys i hand-picked fp riggs and bobby ray for that last playoff to like get into the final yeah remember they so you got them through so so i did that i didn't even realize how i re-watched it i'm like holy shit i'm like i picked these bastards you know and they ended up fucking winning the thing but got really close to those guys and then you guys too i did tell like everyone who asked i was like a spit yeah it was cool man you guys man you you guys are awesome you guys are funny i think we had a lot of fun we had a lot of my final question salim would be and i think a lot of people are wondering like what's up with the rain pants when it was 120 degrees great question i've seen i've seen that clip uh yandel that's funny uh with 0.0 chance of rain uh i love that it wasn't a quad you know it was just cabin okay yo john would tell me the tea time and i just i i was probably sleeping in it or like we roomed together hold on yeah i just threw it on you know i wasn't even really caring about what i was wearing you know where happy dad where would i where would i gotta wear and then just whatever down there i don't know i was rocking the rain pants for three days so it was you got to beat kyle in that one-on-one match which was probably one of the funniest matches of the whole series that's so black and you guys not giving each other i'm gonna say like seven inch putts yeah so you have the bragging rights over him yeah yeah that was a good match man uh the 18th hole like re-watching it was pretty electric uh yeah what's uh what's next for you guys i've been celebrating like i won i haven't won i spent six nights in vegas that was like a week i'm gonna take it easy then i go back to vegas for f1 but all fun stuff dude i'm you know i'm enjoying it i'm enjoying it right now this ride is it's crazy and yeah i've got a lot of cool opportunities a bunch of stuff lined up but i'm just trying to have fun you know uh yeah i mean obvious obviously the the door of opportunity is going to open up big time with like sponsorships and everything in the golf world moving forward for you big john uh mainly i think the focus being on that grim reaper putter that you were making magic with like how did how did how when was that ever handed to you and you know what's the aftermath are they reaching out to you is there more expansion on that yeah but we uh they signed me like two and a half years ago for a year and they gave me 500 bucks a month i was at like 5k on instagram like where do i sign boys signed away for a year then you put backwards for a year biz and then you you know you go look at a regular like scotty or taylor made or something like that stuff looks weird to me so now i'm like okay i'm pigeonholed to this thing and then like after the contract was done i still used it and bro they're like a small mom and pop shop in dallas texas and after that putt went in they sold a thousand putters in a day and their company is just like 3x so we're we're in yeah it's super cool it's super cool so we're in negotiations with them right now uh but yeah you know it went from being you know small mom pop shop now it's like a real real thing so we're dealing with the adjustments to that and kind of figuring out a way to make you know it makes sense for both parties you know what i'm saying dream you should call a tequila company they'll sign you quick no i'm gonna i'm gonna chill on that for a bit uh but yeah i'm just i'm just focused on being the best version of myself every day hell yeah good for you on golf um you know continuing with my pranks you know i i post a lot of short form content that you know pranks i gotta keep doing um that's like my main bread and butter um but yeah dude i have a big passion for golf i i want to be better and i i'd fucking practice a lot so i want to continue that and yeah all right and we uh maybe we get uh you two and kyle or somehow chetty and then we have hazy and we get a sandbagger with all of us and i think that would be uh maybe some maybe yeah we should all play some golf we'd love to that's a good way to end you love golf literally golly literally all right we love you boys thanks for coming boys we uh appreciate you guys we gave it our all boys team red yeah yeah we did i'm so sorry battle gentlemen really did no dream we love no sorries no sorries no sorry no sorry it's just if you beat ricks for 30k if you beat ricks for 30k you owe me and john 10k each you get to keep 10 that's fair yeah that's fair fair yeah bro but damn i just keep i keep like just keep thinking about it it's what a fuck up what it's gotta be don't don't let it bring you down a dark path or you've taken the proper steps buddy but it's just yeah sometimes like like i said like during this 90 days like just looking back i just can't believe myself so i don't know wild at least when you do watch it if you ever do it'll be like a viewer watching it because you don't even remember anything so you get some entertainment out of it he's like i made the finals yeah you should i know i seen a comment someone said salim's probably watching this just like the rest rest of us finding out who wins that's how blacked out i was you gotta post a video of you in rain pants inside watching it yeah there you go yeah i'm not gonna watch it for a while but i'll i'll for sure do that just a speed bump in your life dream keep going baby well uh we'll be in touch set up the sandbagger and it was great meeting you guys and uh team red for life boys we came close we'll talk to you guys later all right i'm red for life all right guys let's talk about performance golf let's call it what it is if you put the clubs in the closet all winter and do nothing you're gonna walk onto the first tee in the spring swinging like a rusty pylon if you want to show up next season flushing irons and taking your buddy's cash in the sandbagger you've got to check out performance golf these guys are the undisputed game improvement powerhouse they don't mess around with you with gimmicks they are totally dedicated to transforming your game giving you world-class instruction specialized gear 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loss availability there it is boys yeah i mean i respect to him for like acknowledging the fact he's got an issue and addressing it and like it's probably a you know probably a life lesson and there's probably people who are watching that thinking like fuck like i've been in that situation before or maybe they still are and they like they listen to salim now he's been 90 days sober and uh and they and they snap out of it so um you know like i said doesn't mean he's a bad guy he's a bad guy he's a bad guy we've all been there before and uh and going back to you and uh you and big john wit i i think that you guys handled it pretty much perfectly and you guys should be praised for the way that you competed and and how good of a teammates you were so at least you guys will have that to to hang on to for for the rest of your lives if i could have done if i could do one thing over i probably would have like shoved a pizza down his throat at lunch like and just been like like like almost like waterboarding him with pizza or i guess water would have worked too at that point yeah but when you're playing for 1.3 looking back we probably could have done a couple things different but once again editors shout out them brennan jones kyle tims all those guys all the souls are the team who ran it and and uh fb bobby ray who everyone said was a 15 handicap who's more like a three handicap i think and riggs the most hated man in golf i'd say he uh took around wins one point he wins i think 1.3 somebody posted it was what third or fourth place in the masters got so a big payday for those guys wait what yeah oh yeah buddy yeah oh shit yeah those i mean we tried our best to like get under their skin chirping they were fucking dialed man they were i i honestly and this is no offense to you guys i think if salim was dead sober playing the best golf of his life it would have been a tough team to beat because they were fucking they were just really good i think if salim played the best golf of his life it would have been a tough team to beat because they were played as good as he could like we're going down 18 yeah yeah whether we're one down all square one up yeah i think it would have been a match but that's also me just kind of wishing and hoping we could we could get another crack at it that's the other thing too about that tourney like it's like a point one percent chance you end up in the championship because you can you could santino it and win all your matches and never move on you could play awful and somehow it's just such a crap shoot on actually getting there so we'll never know if if any of us get a chance again but the way big john hits the ball man that guy is a he's a stick he is an absolute stick just i mean just to look back too i mean yeah i know you weren't on the pod yet but we're like obviously so grateful to have you in these scrambles because like the golf's gotten so much more fun and a little bit more reliable with not having to just rely on me uh now we got hazy coming in the mix like what a run it's been for us in the golf world i know if we never do a sandbagger which was your idea we're never involved in that where the hockey podcast, And then if we never did Bob Does Sports, probably would have never got in, right? There you go. That was the end of this connection. If we never dusted Bob Does Sports. True. We got a statue coming in their compound, Bob Does HQ. And I can't take full credit. I went full court press on Sidney Crosby. I asked him four or five times via text if we could do a sandbagger when he said we were going to be golfing there. We didn't have a name for it yet. You didn't ask him for a sandbagger. We didn't even have that name. I said, can we video the golf match? And Pasha kept texting me, hey, what's he saying? What's he saying? And then finally, when we got there, I said, hey, are you okay with this? And he's like, yeah, no, we're not going to do that. And then Pasha says, oh, yeah? He goes, once we're done wrapping up all this video for the interview we did, we're going to pop out of the woods on hole number two or three. And next thing you know, we're cutting a CCM promo. Sid's probably losing his mind inside of his head, but he's such a classy guy, he didn't snap. And then I think it was hole four or five, the Nate dog put the stamp of approval on the sandbagger invitational. So what a ride it's been. And obviously led by you, Witt, and Yan's in the mix, and now Hazy. It's just the beginning, boys. It's just the beginning. My final two things. We're redoing the bottom floor of the house. I don't think it's necessary at all. I love the house, but sometimes happy wife, happy life. And the other day. Did she think you won? That's what I'm saying. The first installment of the bill came through, and I'm in the corner. I'm like, fucking Salim. She's like, what? I'm like, nothing. And then the other thing is, I didn't know Salim's content. I know he's Nelk Boys, and I know their premise of just literally. That's a picture of Salim for anyone listening on audio. I know their premise. Like, just kind of getting banged up, having fun, ripping it up. I didn't know he was a prank guy. If he at any point in life pranks me, I am taking that rental seven. I think he already did. That was the prank. That was the prank. So that's a wrap on the Internet Invitational. Thank you, everyone, for kind of listening. And if you weren't watching, go give it a shot. If you enjoyed it, thank you for watching. And we're on to the NHL. And the NHL, boys, the number one story, once again, for one of the worst teams in the league, is Matvei Michkov. And at this point, I don't know what to think. We talked about, was the trade request from Kevin Weeks made public when we recorded Monday? No. It was, like, right after, I think. Right after. Now, there's been a lot of discussion in terms of, like, has this actually happened? It was released by Kevin Weeks. Kevin Weeks, I then saw a tweet of somebody listed, like, the 16 or 17 things he's broke news on. And I was like, what? What? What? What? I think he was 17 for 17 in terms of, like, his rate of success. That's when he makes a video. Wait, I saw that post. It's any time he makes a video, breaks news, where he breaks the news on the video, not just says breaking news, breaking news. When he does the full breaking news in the video, he's like, yeah, 16 for 16. So, Emily Kaplan, who is a part of the ESPN NHL crew, she then kind of released a tweet that the Flyers had not been told anything. So, people are like, oh, this is bullshit. Well, then it comes out that Weeks' old agent is currently Michkov's agent. So, at that point, when I read that, I'm like, it's like 1,000%. Where there's smoke, there's fire here. And all of a sudden, the takes start coming in from Flyers fans, and these folks have lost their mind. I never in my life, and I actually love going to war with Flyers fans. Edmonton, big win against the Flyers in overtime, where I'll say this to you, Flyers fans. You outplayed the shit out of the Oilers. That's two games in a row. The Rangers outplayed them, and Levi stole the game. And then the Flyers, they looked awesome. They outplayed them, and Tristan Jari stole the show, and we got both wins. But the Flyers looked good. But I've never seen a fan base. Basically, they're choosing a player over the entire organization. It's not only talk. It's other players who play more than him. It's Breer. It's Jones. It's Jones. They have decided that. Like, Matvei Michkov is their savior. He's their golden goose. He's the superstar. The name on the back means more than the logo on the front. Thank you. Exactly. And I don't get it. And I read a tweet today that was talking about how I think when Tortorella was there, he kind of had a quote, something like, don't plan on this guy being the savior. And I'm not getting it exactly right, but this is a talented player. Okay? Forget my chirping, his skating, and his short stride. I'm not. I'm not here to doubt a talented player. He's a goal scorer. He can create offense. He is not even close, close to a top 30 player in the NHL, let alone a top 10 or a top five or somebody where a fan base would look and say, like, fuck everyone with our team besides this guy. Get rid of everyone and keep this guy and build around him. That's not it. And I got to tell you guys something else. And I think I've said this before. He is not liked by his teammates. Is that the end of the world? No, it is not. And that's not just something that is the case in Philadelphia. No, we talk, we talk, we talk to everybody. Like people are going to say, oh, you talk to the coaching staff. This is like beyond that. We talked to people that we played in KHL with KHL stuff. And, and, and, and obviously we have enough information where we can base our opinion on that. Let's not also bury part of the lead. This, this information from weeks, he came out, I believe a day after. There was a video that went viral of sealers and Mitch gov going at it on the bench. Now, this is also not the first time that Mitch cov has gone on at it with teammates on the bench. There's one of, of TK him and him and them going back. Obviously the, the delusional ones who think the Mitch God is the God. Um, they obviously they're always passing the buck. They think teammates are jealous or it's always the other guy's fault. Where then on, on the sealers play, um, it was broken down very well by Steve. Peter's actually the old video coach, uh, for us in, in Arizona. And it goes back to what wit said, like he's a talented player. Like if he wants to like possess the puck and in some cases be a little bit of a hog and not move it to teammates. And once again, the delusional fan base will say, why would they pass it over to sealer? The guy's got one goal in the last year to say that the Mitch God should be able to shoot it from a horrible angle with two guys in the lane and put it off the shin pads. And it's down back the other way now, keep in mind in that. It does show Mitch God, uh, you know, him and kind of sealers give each other the desk there after sealers gives them a fucking earful and Mitch God had a great back check. And one of the very few that I've seen. Um, but you know, it's, it's obviously in my opinion, just got to a very toxic point where the head coach is answering questions about one player in particular, more so than any other guy combined on the team when that should be the case. For maybe one other guy in the league right now, and that's Connor McDavid and just simply positivity based on the fact that he's doing what Wayne Gretzky did. Now we got the point where we got a fan who had gotten where the president's address sent him cannolis, uh, gotten the head coach who they don't think is giving their superstar and, and savior enough ice time and setting both these guys cannolis to the point where now that same person is paying for a billboard on the side of the highway. I don't know, man. Like we're, we're in the fucking twilight zone this season. Like it's a, we're going like all these crazy trade requests. We got, uh, ESPN insiders going at each other, whether it's true or not. I mean, the list goes on of things that have made this into the, the, what, what, what's the word I'm looking for when we're in the matrix, the matrix gong show we're in the matrix at this point. What do you guys make of the fan base getting to this level of? Delusion and this level of toxicity where they basically want the whole front office gone. They want the head coach gone. They want half the team traded just to make this one individual savior who has other than having a 40% shooting percentage right now and leading the team in points. What the fuck is this guy done? What has he done? I think that as of right now, they, they had such crazy high expectations coming in. That they're just not willing to let those go. And they don't necessarily have to let those go. Cause this guy might be a 40, 50 goal score, right? And, and listen, it started when they, they picked him up at the airport and Breer's in the airport with them and the flyers tweet out, we got them. And it was just hearing prior to what, what type of prospect he was. And then he falls in the draft and they get him. And there was rumors earlier. He'd go, it was him or Bedard for one or two. I think that was the same draft year, if I'm not mistaken. And then he, he comes over and his rookie year was great, right? I mean, like in terms of statistics, I think over 25 goals, over 60 points. Then you get to the second year where he comes in out of shape, which that there that's, there's no one arguing that correct. That's been out there. Then he drops down in goals. He drops down in points and the ice time's not there. And then the fans, they're starting to be like, play them, play them. And at this point, I actually think there is a, and we need flyers fans who maybe agree with or disagree with some of these incentives. Sane Meech God fans, I think that a lot of. of these people would rather him get 50 goals 100 points and the team lose than him play 15 minutes get 20 goals and the team win it's crazy i i don't remember ever seeing a battle within a fan base of for a player against the entire rest of the team and at this point you can be a flyers fan and you can uh there can be 10 guys on the team that you want sent away you don't care minors trade buy them out you don't care but when an entire team when an entire team can't get along with one guy and you guys think we're making this up we're not this is facts an entire hockey team can't get along with one guy there is an issue with personality and character and and listen like you need goal scorers you can have a guy like this if the team is so strong within and they can kind of deal with them and there's been plenty of teams in all different sports that have had superstar malcontents they've had elite game-breaking players that don't gel with other teammates but boys when the entire fan base has taken the side with the malcontent over the entire rest of the team it it causes this fucking disaster that we're witnessing right now yeah it's toxic it's toxic to the point to the point where like i wouldn't be surprised if they traded them and and and with the stock so high that it is and and and let's not let's not forget i don't think they can i don't think with the fan base there's massive amounts of ptsd seeing what carter goche is doing right now and the fact that very true i i'm not they kind of went through a limbo stage with briere taking over at that time where i don't think he was responsible for drafting them and let's call a spade a spade i think that that situation was fumbled it was fumbled and it got and and it was oh you don't want to be a flyer well we were you don't need to be a flyer we're going to get rid of you and then listen zegras had a great year last year uh you know drysdale solid nhl player but we're not talking cutter goche here that this is an automatic 40 goal guy if he's playing with the right players year over year so i think that that has amplified what is happening here and going back to last year i guess the most frustrating part is these toxic fans that have made this into what it is i don't i don't think that talk it could have handled it anymore perfect going back to last year because what are you going to do when when one of the your best players and supposedly supposedly your future uh uh franchise player is setting the standard by showing up out of shape he could have he could have easily just fucking been like you know what let's just keep these fans happy and make it all about him and and allow this to kind of take place no he said this is fucking bullshit this is not the flyer standard this guy came out of shape and and this isn't what we want so what do you what do you think forced the meech god to go this off season and go nuclear on training and doing everything that he did to be ready to go for puck drop this year fucking accountability playing bad cop and having accountability and having to fucking go against the grain and the entire year the head coach and the organization got shit on for the way they handled it and what did they do what did they do made play out and they fucking made playoffs despite all the bullshit distractions from the fan base and all of a sudden praise praise praise well at least from some of the rational ones that might have turned the corner and the minute the fucking puck drop on this season it was right back to the fucking chaos and all the bullshit and here we are watching fans pull out billboards and get fucking flybys by airplanes asking for the coaches and the gm and the assistant gms head where does it go from here boys i did look because i'm like what is he playing a game i think it's about 1545 a game so to play devil's advocate they're not winning he is scoring maybe in last night he played over 20 minutes it went to ot where where he cheated offensively for a breakaway and his guy scored game against columbus same fucking thing he cheated twice he got stripped in overtime it went back the other way and then he dipped in cheating when they didn't have possession it went back the other way and i believe it was fantilly who ended the game if listen for as much as he's creating and and we could pump his tires till the end of time but with his playmaking ability he's not going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to his goal scoring ability and how good he is individually guys for if you look at the top 50 players in the league they're creating way more than they're allowing going back the other way and i would say it's a break even with the meech god come on here let's be honest about our assessment here and there's a reason he can't play 21 22 because when you start getting in that range the amount of cheating that's going on is exactly what you saw the other night in overtime when he did play over 20 minutes and it's exactly like you saw against columbus and it's exactly like you saw against columbus and it's exactly like you saw against columbus and it's exactly like you saw and many other clips that you could pull up from him cheating and not playing well defensively because that's how he plays but maybe get him up to 18 there at this point now i'm not arguing i'd play him 20 a night and just be like all right you guys want this let him do it everything will work itself out you'll notice the mistakes yeah maybe he'll score more get more points but yeah 15 to 18 minutes like what young guy should be complaining about playing that much in in getting the game going the opportunities five on or three on three in overtime like that's a big responsibility not everybody plays three on three like you're out there you have to be able to keep the puck out of your net and also be a threat to score and he's not doing either of those he's still going out there and listen we're not we're not trying to take away from this kid's talents but what is what message is being sent in the locker room right when there's one guy who's allowed to get away with certain things defensively when the rest of the guys can't and then you're just rewarding him with more and more and more ice time that's the solution listen even going back to last season when he was out of shape that's the solution that these idiots had online just keep feeding him ice time keep feeding him ice time if they would have stuck with that plan last year they wouldn't have made playoffs they wouldn't have had any team success so here we are now that things are different and they're in a tough hole right now i guess yeah sure play them play them the 18 19 minutes but there's gonna be a lot of resentment in that locker room and you might lose the rest of the group but hey man whatever for the guy i guess it's the way to go no but it's not and the resentment is a big thing because when you look at the argument with him and nick sealer and biz like you were one of those guys like you were heart and soul guy nick sealer is that he goes out there he eats pox he fights when he needs to he's just like a you know he's a lunch pail guy and when you see a superstar or uh you know what you think is a superstar yelling at a guy who is fucking doing the shit that nobody else wants to do that's how you lose a locker room and nobody on that team that at least i don't know i don't know i know that plays on that team would think that that's okay because you need you need ditch diggers in the nhl you need guys who are going to do the horse shit like the you know shovel shit but you know to go at a guy like that and i don't like when we played if somebody ever did that to to a guy that you know didn't get the points didn't get the uh recognition that the other players get it would have been a bad bad day to be in the locker room say say um uh let's compare rob scuderi to and in terms of like obviously sealer like fights and stuff but i'm saying like just a solid defensive defenseman right like i'm not i'm not even comparing the two careers i'm just looking at pittsburgh when i played if that play against uh who was it against when sealer got pissed san jose who was it no i think it was vancouver vancouver okay if crosby wheels up the top of the zone and sees a defenseman that wide open it could have been scuds it could have been gonchar it could have been colchi he's dishing it down because that is the correct play at the time now here's the other difference nobody if sid hadn't given it to him nobody would have ever given him the look and the stick bang that sealer did so that shows that like i can't stand this guy he should have given me the puck but nobody would have done that to sid because he would have been making the correct play anyways and then there was never any drama in the locker room with guys kind of being upset along with sid so it's like you just look at all sides of this and it's a toxic relationship it's toxic with the fan base it's toxic within michkov and his teammates it's toxic with the gm now having to defend him and come out and say like we're invested in this guy like he is not a finished product is what briere said which he isn't but at this point i've just i've just never i can't remember and and sound off to us i can't remember a fan base siding with a player like this over the team and they're sitting second to last in the east they got the third worst goal differential in the nhl so it's disasters everywhere but i just don't look at this guy as the true savior of any organization and it's just and that's just and that's just simply from eye tests like i said there's plenty of players in this league who make unbelievable offensive plays night in night out it doesn't mean that you're the guy and and and and now we got to look forward okay so let's take let's take everything that we know into account let's say he's a good player and he's a good player and he goes on and and they're somehow to salvage this relationship at least to the end of this season and he's still a philadelphia flyer what do you think him and his agent will be requesting in uh in contract negotiations oh whatever goatee makes if he gets 35 40 goals they're gonna want 15 million a year and do you think the team would be willing i know the fans would be willing to give him that movie that you think the team would be willing to give him that they see a guy you want to build your your team around when that guy he he he showed up in year two completely out of shape what do you think he's gonna do when you hand over 15 million a year for seven years so san jose was at the bottom of the league celebrini smith those guys go off now guys want to go play there do you think anybody in the nhl is like i want to go play with matt babe michkov uh if they're talking to other players in the flyers no so how are you going to build your team well the yeah that that that's a good question i i i don't i don't know where i don't know where this is going to go i just know that they're the cutter goatee thing has changed so much because like if the fans lose this guy they're they might not go to the games like so it's like the team really can't afford to get rid of him not that they even want to i'm not saying that they want to i'm saying that like when they decided to not let goatee sign after his freshman year at bc which we are open and honest big mistake big mistake and then he says i don't want to play here i was going to be i you i had my your word i was going to get signed i was going to be in the nhl next year i'm not i gotta go back to bc i'm gone so they lose him now they're they're held over the barrel here if they fuck it up with their next offensive superstar that they drafted it could be curtains for for for the entire organization based on what the fans want so it's just a weird it's a weird i also think it needs to be mentioned like it's obvious that this kid despite what has happened in the in the relationships and the way that things were handled when he was in the khl it's hard for a young guy who doesn't speak the language to come over and adapt to north american hockey we're not we're not denying that as a fact but the stuff that we heard we should say russians russians um like i remember malcolm would kind of like snap on a teammate once in a while if he gave you a tap in and you missed it you'd hear from him right they're a little harsher than a little harsher to teammates so that is definitely a culture thing that's a culture thing but at some point you're going to hear from them and you're going to hear from them and you're going to hear in your third year i think malcolm kind of started realizing like like i remember in the khl guys are barking at each other more than in the nhl so i'm glad you brought that up i'm glad you brought that up but at some point you do have to you you got to assimilate a little bit like the game over here and and and the locker room and like being a good teammate and it just hasn't happened yet from a media perspective and the way that mitch gobb has handled himself when getting praise and being asked questions after his personal success over the teams he keeps relaying back to the team so he's saying all the right things media wise and i think that that's why a major part of the fan base is on his side and are are yeah are basically want him to get everything that he wants and what they want maybe over the team because they're seeing him have so much success rather than the team there's like a minuscule amount of me that kind of gets their side of it but when you take the total picture involved and the way that they the fans mainly the delusional ones handled it last year when it's like this was on the player like the player decided to handle his offseason the way he did the player decided to to treat teammates and handle his personal relationships within the organization the way that he did and then when met with accountability and and and kind of like the standard that they're trying to set in the locker room be there that's when kind of all hell broke loose and yet despite all those distractions the team did end up having team success and i think that some of those fans kind of like are a little bit delusional to like what happened last year and how it all went down and they're almost like doubling down on it so i guys like i personally if i'm philadelphia i'm calling davidson and i'm see what i could work out with chicago and see if i can fleece them in a very uh a very desperate situation that they have going on right now and look to work something out because i don't see a world where you can continue this you something's going to have to break at a certain point especially if the team ends up having as as like little amount of wins as they have right now moving forward like this is just going to keep getting uglier and uglier and i don't know how many more billboards uh the philadelphia flyers can see and take do you think that he's pulling the wool over the fans eyes like you know if they're seeing hearing all these comments he's scoring and and they planned on him being a 50 goal 100% point guy and he's scoring so it's like he's doing exactly what the fans thought offensively and that's why they're like give him more ice time so it's go look at his goals though how many of the goals are like is he like undressing somebody or score like a lot of them are hitting him like in the air in the goal he's out of position he's just banging it in i was very impressed last night he was creating he made he made a couple beautiful little passes right to drysdale the slot demons yeah that was nasty seen pass like like i said i even saw a bunch of tweets from flyers fans fucking fucking drysdale how do you not bury that like he got a pretty good shot if it was it was a six saved by jarrett so it's like you don't score on me to cause passes but um we can move on from there because i'd say the other biggest thing that i can think of over the last few nights since we recorded on monday was do you guys remember the video game nfl blitz yeah great game all time but before we move on what do you think's gonna happen with this guy like what do you think no idea no idea yeah i think they gotta ride i think they gotta ride it out with them just because the fan base is so you know they're spearheading this like meech god yeah i actually think i actually think i'll i'll say i think that he will they will keep him over anyone and anything else i think it's going i think he's going to end up getting it getting what he wanted whether that's at some point talk gets fired at some point they trade a bunch of players i i'm i'm guessing that this guy they they're not getting it they're not getting it they're not getting it they're not getting rid of him i think they know that that with this this many fans being this loud it's it's meech meech call over anyone else and and i maybe i'm wrong but based on what what i what what happened with goatee and where we're at now i think that he's going to end up winning this whatever winning means um but the game nfl blitz yeah well i know where this is going amazing it was an incredible game and the hits in this game just go maybe maybe there's youtube clips of nfl blitz and now young kids may see the graphics and and and what it's like it's like what did salim make this on the 16th hole at the internet invitational no you didn't get to 16 nick cousins got the puck in the corner in ottawa i want to say he had the puck for what do you guys think two to three seconds yeah in the nhl that is a lifetime he didn't pick his head up and i want to say it's one of the cleanest biggest hits i've ever seen for i'm turning 44 in february i don't remember seeing a hit like like jacob chikrin he took about two strides he put his shoulder into his shoulder i don't know if cousins did he have his head up at the end and it was too late i don't know i think maybe with peripheral chikrin was at the point and he thought that oh he was staying he kind of looked in the middle he looked like to the middle of the ice and chikrin was coming down the boards but how do you not see the puck in the middle of the ice and chikrin was coming down the boards but how do you i just don't think he thought he was coming down the wall and and i'll say this for people people can't stand cousins fans you know he's he does his job well and he hates us he absolutely hates this podcast but i'm gonna say like this guy is very good at what he does in the oh yeah and i don't want to ever see somebody looking like that on the ice that's that's very scary dude they're dragging him off the ice he's you could tell he landed on his face he's bleeding his gloves off i really hope he's okay i assume he's all right and he'll be back maybe a couple weeks but i don't see any world where this is a suspendable no no hit or even a penalty no no no no because he hit him clean and what i think his head hit the glass after and then obviously falls it's such a nasty thing to see like i know but it was such a clean hit in in chikrin like you said what he only took two maybe two and a half strides and then even stopped before he hit him so he wasn't going in the head hunting or he was just going to eliminate the body it was a clean hit and i think it's just because people you haven't seen a hit like that in fucking years so it's like oh my god he he has to be suspended but i don't think in any world that that's a suspendable hit when i got the clip sent to me i thought that i'd been sent the wrong clip based on how it started because i'm like oh he's got the puck and he's just kind of like i know someone was yelling time time i wish there was well there was there was a lot of it there was still there was yeah and uh like you i mean you guys reiterate there's a reason this guy has a job in the nhl i got to see him play when he was in arizona he is a master at his craft he gets under players skin he has people after games coming down the hallway to the opposing team's dressing room to challenge him to a fight based on some of the things he's saying on the ice to get under these guys skin he is really good at like cycling and possessing the puck with a fourth line where they can generate offense he could bounce up and down the ice and he's a master at his craft he gets under players on the lineup and this is like this is going back to the arizona days which is probably what eight eight years ago where he played with chikrin where he played with chikrin which warranted a follow on social media and then obviously um not the case uh anymore after he woke up from his coma at 3 a.m in the morning and had his wife or somebody who had possession of his phone unfollow jacob on instagram so this league uh continues to get wackier and wackier as we We enter the Thunderdome, but, uh, yeah, it, it, it was. like the i can't remember it hit that big it makes the mcbain one from tom wilson look like a rub out that looks like a men's league like bump on the board yeah yeah yeah exactly and uh i hope he's all right and and uh it's uh it's one of those things oh man this is the nhl you want to fuck around and look at the puck and not have your head up and think that you're not going to get touched that's not the case five years ago six years ago i think the chicken's getting games i think the league smartened up and understand that people want big hits they want fights there's an uptick in that we want physical play and guys to be held accountable if they're if they're skating in the middle of the ice or along the wall with their head up their ass but um and i hope that you know cousins doesn't think we're we're singling them out or alienating them because he is a rat and maybe he's not well liked by a lot of teams this is a guy when when larkin came back he was giving him the c like the strip of the c along the bench yeah like this guy i mean this is a guy in in the cup locker room was looking at pasha who was there for his buddy reinhardt you know fuck you yeah fuck your whole podcast i mean he despises us and i'm still out here saying i hope i hope you're all right like that is that is scary to watch nobody wants to see that um but in terms of the unfollow that so there was an account created i want to say i want to say last year maybe this summer where i don't know it has to be like a an app or something where whoever created the account anytime anyone in the nhl follows or unfollows somebody this guy tweets it oh yeah it's not probably a great thing because like you see some guys like whoa on here he's following 10 rockets like yes seneca seneca's following uh macaroon companies non-stop and macarooner and and to to to see the tweet of the the instagram unfollow follow hl players thing of three in the morning and he's still following chikrin's mom right it wasn't that the thing or did i just make that up i don't know i don't know but ryan seacrest is running the league anyways oh yeah bravo network um talk about a scott stevens to like 1997 nhl hit holy shit yeah do you think that one or the paul korea the stevens hit on paul korea was bigger based on stanley cup final stevens on korea center of the ice watching your drop pass i think that's like the all-time biggest hit and then korea coming back scoring and then finding out after he doesn't even remember the game that's probably more memorable hit salim but in terms of like violence because the way he hit the boards yeah and and actually korea's laying there and then he he he had a breath and like you could see his fog yeah his visor fog up scary but not as scary as seeing a guy knocked out with like blood pooling everywhere so that's what was that's what was kind of not not good to watch shout out to cousins though for uh getting off on someone's own will not not getting a stretcher out there so obviously a tough guy going back to this nhl follow tracker that you said creates a little bit of an issue for for some of these current players we don't gotta bring light to them what no no just go ahead well just funny because like when one of these guys ends up like finally getting in a relationship when they really get sewered is like then all of a sudden you see that player unfollowed like 48 thoughts you know paywall fucking jam in their box type models and that's when biz steps in and follows them all no no i was i was seeing a girl recently and you know one of the requests is like hey can you unfollow some of these you know these girls that you follow i said hey i said be careful what you ask for because nhl fucking follow tracker might be they might they might uh follow you too they might know what you're up to so you gotta you gotta do one or two per day you know kind of trick trickle them out you gotta out you gotta outsmart the follow tracker do it during a busy day do two at a time so uh pasha come on here for a second we had a uh an amazing night an amazing night in winnipeg look at this jacket that's a nice job where'd you get that that is a cool uh number one mascot in the league nj devil sent it to me okay so pasha um bought and paid for you went in hellebuck didn't play the analytics told you it gave you a better chance moving forward expected wins blah blah blah you lose dawson mercer two goals suck gauze plays great in the crease the crowd's electric and now it's all about the back-to-back with with the capitals and i'll say to you right now you may go on and win both of them but you're not going to win both of them you may split but dominate the one you lose if you go on a slide here are you are you able to admit that messing with the hockey gods right or right i really fucked you guys up nothing hey the hockey god you messed with the hockey god don't fuck it don't double down dude you know texting me today talking about your delusion and saying how obsessed you hop on jared kiso the guy uh the inventor of i kill the bears his new show that's coming out obviously shores and letter kenny this guy's obsessed with your antics pasta so why don't you give jared kiso another smile on his face with your delusional idiot comments well uh well jared i don't think i'm about to say anything too revolutionary here morning the following statements are about to be made by a deranged devil's fan the views expressed are his and his only take everything you hear with a grain of salt because remember he is a deranged devil's fan fish is timing on those every time every single time i forget and then i start laughing i'll read it right what i said on game notes i'm happy for dawson mercer don't have a bad word to say about him i'm happy to see him score winnipeg you know they needed that like the people of winnipeg they're rolling now boys hey yeah did you see him did you see him miss that empty net with uh well wise man once said empty net goals are for especially as your first nhl goal four assists in his last three games vigo bjork thank you wit okay um listen winnipeg they won the game but they lost hellebox so let them have the fucking game give them the win who gives a fuck uh and in terms of messing with the hockey gods no like if like let's say the devil split this weekend i don't i'm not gonna be like oh no they fucked it up also tonight pesci's out kovacevic is out so that's two of their best defensive defenders if they lose tonight 4-1 i'm not losing sleep i'm not thinking oh the hockey gods have fucked them up no let's not create if they lose three four or five in a row well then we can circle back oh boy oh boy not that i want that to happen right you know not that i want that to happen you're like portnoy with you you just want to see bad things happen to me in the devils all right no you're my guy is that true is that true wit you're my guy um yes i guess you could say i'm like portner because i want like i want you to lose in the cup final oh but i don't want you to you would rather us go own 84 well no that's not realistic and the team is too good jack he uses on a different level and the team looks awesome and brats up they're a great great hockey team now they got hellebox so i know that this is going to be an elite level team throughout the entire regular season but if we were able to get into a cup final and watch you with that stupid jacket that you and that jacket in june would be like salim with his fucking rain pants on in the ozarks in august so but it so there was some different um i don't know how to even word this when hellebox spoke to the media i think like different things came out where biz you you might be a little more on top of this basically he he hadn't mentioned to the team off the hop of getting some threats and nasty things said to him i don't know if it was just online or if it was also in person but the team wasn't aware they found out after in which he i think originally requested a trade to florida the team didn't want to then trade him or didn't like what florida was offering so then he he opened it up to way more teams and then i believe the team found out about like the stuff him and his family were dealing with but the credit to the winnipeg media they grilled him a little bit but i didn't know if you had an opinion after the press conference on anything you're asking me yeah or pasha pasha i guess or keith yeah i just uh like hearing that it's just one of those things it's like a no win if if a guy in his family don't feel safe they don't feel safe if it was a bullshit burner account message that they got for someone that who knows maybe it wasn't even a winnipeg jets fan like who was it maybe it is one pasha their fan base but he doesn't speak who pasha oh it was an inside job it was he got it done for the jacket um but like you know i i think that we've talked about it sometimes behind the scenes with guys kind of dealing with these types of messages where it's like buddy we get them too we got the wrong take on meach god like yeah i got flyers fans sending cannolis and fucking and then some other fans saying some not so other pleasant things like i don't i get death threats from rangers fans every few weeks that's what i'm saying right so but i'm not gonna sit here and say that him and his family's feelings don't matter about that situation do i find it maybe a little bit suspicious that it wasn't originally something that was brought up have i heard rumblings from um people who have talked to nhl security that it's like it was kind of a bit of a nothing burger but at the end of the day this superstar that's pretty much in his prime maybe starting the back half of it if he wants to move on it doesn't want to play somewhere fucking let him move on and go do that do i feel like he should have to face the music in order for that to happen yes did we not get to experience that sure but we still heard some chants we still got the ridiculousness of it we still got this analytical fucking uh mumbo jumbo uh marble mouth bullshit that came out from the organization and we get to all talk and fucking have a circus about that so i think we all win in the end game and now pasha's got his dream of having an absolute wagoon and here the fuck we are let's listen to how his delusional takes well said busy wow i agree with that completely uh two things i'll add is uh apparently a huge fact winnipeg fans are going to go to jersey for their game in new jersey like in two weeks so that should be spicy we might get redemption and see a little bit of a little more of that frank the tank is like thrown over the balcony by a jets fan if he plays i also saw apparently he's gonna play but who knows i also saw that a bunch of winnipeg jets fans followed the broadcast team the devil's broadcast team come on man a couple drunk guys fucking they said they followed him to the hotel the rink is a tap like right next to the hotel and you can't even get in they won't let you into the hotel yeah like buddy you can't like come on here get out get pasha out of there fuck you beat it beat it thank you um so i i had a little lesson while i was close to are we happy that this is basically over though i'm just happy that we're beyond we're past us now we have like but you said no i wish we played here we gotta get larkin training now what are we doing totally not even on the mind anymore it's he's gotta be just you know i'm not even on the mind anymore it's he's gotta be just you know he's gotta be just he's gotta be he's in a dark place in a dark place right now dude that fucking sucks and edvinson jesus oh just edvinson's got what till december 1st yeah that's good that's coming quick and we've talked about this before william kneelander dealt with it guys is when you are waiting for a contract it's different than than a player who's already under contract if they're sitting out with the hellebuck situation obviously larkin edvinson has not signed a contract if he or whatever date it is he then has to be forced to sit out the rest of the year so it's kind of this situation and i would imagine that maybe owners put this in in order to force and put a little pressure on guys to finally get something done but for a guy of this caliber to miss out on a full year of hockey at this age that would be bad news i think you would detrimental we didn't i heard rumors of of him going over to sweden to play i know and i get it that the risks in that and the amount of time that he's going to have to play i think it's going to be pretty detrimental and the the insurance he would have to take out the amount of money the insurance would cost because you'd want to insure yourself for 20 30 million dollars i know people think i'm crazy but that's what he'd probably do and then he'd be playing for free the team the team oh yeah oh you think don't you think the swedish team would have to pay for that for him to make it worth that insurance would be because it's you'd be taking it out for a year right it would be so expensive and you're right he probably could end up being in the red even after what he gets paid for by the swedish his agency should pay for it for the way they've handled this whole situation is how it should go yeah good point yeah yeah i guess but for for him it's probably you know he's not losing money like hellebach in in larkin are right now so he's probably obviously he's young and wants to play but like him sitting home not losing money every single day like those guys did it's probably a little easier than what larkin's dealing with don't you think i think biz mentioning the age is important yeah where he's at in his career and you know your three years i think he's played three full seasons correct into into like you're trying to grow you know that's that's actually usually a big year as your 45th season when you really kind of take that next step he's sitting at home larkin skating with michigan he's i don't know where evan's in skating and and detroit just kind of struggles it sucks um but i want to go over to uh biz's game last night so the lesson i almost was able to teach my son rider now we uh let me let me kind of set the stage quickly we played a team the first game of the year and we beat him i think it was like seven to three and um good team but like we played pretty well and then we were playing the team last weekend and we played hard riders team played horrible and we made it five to three at the beginning of the third period 15 minute periods and kids on our bench they didn't even react when we made it five three i was like what's going on here boys we just scored like come on and then after the game in the car i'm with rider i'm like rider what was that like i saw you yawning like what happened it was five three and he's like oh well we were gonna get crushed i'm like i wanted to puke i'm like what i'm like bought it we were down two goals with 14 minutes to go like we beat that team earlier just trying to kind of teach lessons so we're watching uh business broadcast which by the way biz the spelling b was a plus content that they got you on i thought it was fucked up for anyone who wasn't watching or in canada ryan reeves and biz did a spelling competition and biz went first he got trapezoid and he was close one letter biz one letter it all started the day the day before on tuesday when i did a breakdown on the board about the four check and i thought four check was f-o-r check i forgot the e and they came kind of pointing me out and i was like oh whatever and then i was like fucking brevos coming or bring them on i'll do a spelling b against them and this turned on to a full-on spelling b not only at the desk but they had us lined up by the the little uh the podium the demo station there and they had the podium ready we had ace and um ace and lundquist as the judges uh liam was the the host of it all and we went toe to toe and it was it was a tough night for busy boy i didn't get one and howitzer's an easier word and revo crushed howitzer but you could spell out howitzer in your brain like you do the how and the it sir the trapezoid when it's a or e after the trap that got you and you went with you went with a and it's an e after trap and trap lost that one but so i i got sidetracked so rider and i are sitting there and he goes oh look um buffalo's done they're getting crushed and it's four nothing with six minutes to go in the second period here we are i go rider we we just went over this big guy salim i go they got yeah what are you hanging out with salim and a bottle of tequila i said it was there's there's 26 and a half minutes left in this game you're never out of the fight you're never out of the fight and he goes oh look buffalo scored and then he's doing his homework and he says oh it's four two and then all of a sudden i go look look it's four three and i was like i told you and all of a sudden it's eight three and he goes told you dad he's like go to bed dad and then kucherov showed up and the kucherov hat trick he added an assist and i kept thinking the whole time like i can't believe they didn't get helly i can't believe they didn't get hella booked they have a goaltending issue dude yeah they they have a goaltending problem right now and the fans are turning on upl yeah because he hasn't shown and it's just built oh after what last year and the and what happened there and like the excitement and then to come in now and now you're not getting goaltending and he was available i just i'm watching the end of the game it's eight three i'm like oh dude this is not good when has an elite player had buffalo on their trade list never mind a hall of fame goaltender when you show so much promise the year before you have to do everything in your power to go out and get that guy every single thing like i think that that's the biggest fumbler of the year like you look at that team right now if they have conor hellebuck you see the way he's playing in new jersey you got to be like absolutely pissed off yeah and and like especially the fact that you didn't get talk either like i thought the no meant they were getting hellebuck like i thought for sure um i you know i still believe they made that byram trade it was the right move like that is that is a win and then they saved the money by not signing talk i view this year for buffalo as if they do miss playoffs i still think there's hope for the future they still have a window here obviously they need to it could be a take one step back to for two steps forward okay and i just yeah the the hellebuck thing i'd be curious to know like what they could have offered or what what winnipeg was expecting back in order to actually land him considering he was willing to go there but wasn't benson the name that we heard i would not get off of benson no i know but especially at his contract now and and in good news the kid that so they traded byron who i then got the fourth overall pick and drafted dax and rudolph who looked sick at denver i'm going to see him um denver's at bu november 27th 28th i'm going on the friday night for rider's birthday excited to see him play so biz i agree with you but at the same time you finally get in after 14 years you do not want that step back it may happen but i don't and i don't think they're out of this thing by any means but they gotta get a save and kucherov to get a third period hat trick i mean the trade request or the the the letting them know i won't be resigning here like talk about talk about a guy like him and quinn hughes they don't give a shit that they're that their futures in in doubt right now it's just like they're they're both playing incredible hockey and i will say i laughed very hard when coop uh made made one of the equipment managers bring over a step stool for panger to interview on the bench the milk carton that's so degrading that's excellent um also he set up two other plays where he had the third assist on yeah the one off the face off where he gave the juke um on on power and then set up where he used to set up radish but i think it was uh it was carlson that he set up for the big 800 points for john carlson he had five points last night right yeah uh did he finish five yeah yeah 800 career points that's unbelievable what did you get keith i think i was over 600 okay no joke but um only the uh fifth american defenseman to ever get 800 points so who's a phil housley leach chelios leach uh god who we miss it come on wit hold on leach chelios no rafalski wouldn't have had 800 leach chelios carlson housley oh my god this this oh uh suitor it is gary suitor gary yeah i would have been disgusted with myself there um toronto they stink um and i didn't know i think things are starting to unravel a little bit there yeah and biz what's crazy is i didn't know anything about this tagging situation i don't even know if i'm i think i've mentioned this before that the money was going to become an issue because i've never heard that word though neither had i i'd never heard the word and actually like the genius how do you spell it how do you spell it tagging yeah please like tag teaming please please biz t-a-g-g-i-n-g and when the spelling bee was going on it brought me back to when you used to when you first started your twitter and then your text message you used to take off the spell check to force yourself how to like spell things and i remember you used to ask guys how to spell things i'd be like dude just have your spell check on you'd be like no no i want to learn how to spell these words i got my spell check on now actually biz i did i did see you okay so here's the leafs um cap situation now the situation they're in now is they're over the cap i i don't i don't even understand how i guess you you just your roster has to be under the cap is that what it is as long as they're well i think it has to balance out where like so at a certain point they're going to have to shed a little bit of salary to eventually at the end of the season come in underneath or at the cap but so you can play throughout the year over the cap that's what i didn't know uh i if the roster iced for the game is under the cap you're okay that must be it um probably should i tried doing research on this but i couldn't understand and at this point so steve simmons legendary writer steve old school leaf lover he wrote an article and he said in this article it said that forever and he said nhl gms in the hall of fame have held on to contracts that are signed but not given to the league before they're figured out cap their cap situations figured out now basically what he was saying is when they got marchenko like he's saying you should have signed them but not given the contract in until the money was evened out because right now the marchenko signing is what kind of put them over the top well that was but but they weren't they were screwed before yeah but that was going to always be a sign and trade like marchenko wanted to hit his number and like they're not making that trade and getting off of knives who's already locked in without locking in a guy like that i know but he's saying it's like a gentleman's agreement where it's locked in that's what he wrote in the article league he's saying that it's a sign and trade it doesn't make sense it won't be announced but this is signed yeah but i guess what difference does it make because at the end of the day next year it's going to be on the books it's on the books you you kind of get what i'm saying like but but i think that everybody was well aware though like oh wow we get marchenko at fucking four million dollars this year like what a steal it's like well next year he's making what 12 and a half yeah well now you're paying for that talent like that's not going in you then you got nylander at 11 and a half you got matthews at 13 and a half hoping that you're going to keep him on board which that's going to go up and then who's the other guy that they got making big money radish rat radish and then all of a sudden talent talent's going to be up i mentioned nylander now the way that their cap is looking towards next year i mean bobrovsky's fucking making seven million like their goalies are making over 10 and they haven't exactly been up to par they are gonna have to get off of like dakota joshua is gonna have to be gone next year they're gonna have to shed max i'm not saying they can't shed some of these salaries off but you're still gonna have to re-sign guys like you're you're seeing it right here if you're watching on netflix like this is the money that they're looking towards and who they're gonna have to have to get off of so as good as maybe the moves looked at the start of the year and how excited fans are that they got the lottery ball and and gavin mckenna's on entry level and things are all looking rosy and leafland things are starting to the problems are starting to come to a head and and goaltending and bob is starting to get it's getting a little loud and they and they signed an older goalie and i think everyone was excited and they were probably a a big big part of that fan base that was a little maybe not maybe they were just like just get us in a a proven you know future hall of fame stanley cup winning goalie but it hasn't been pretty so far and you're seeing a way different team in front of them which then kind of opens up some of the warts which it seems to be his glove which i think a lot of people were aware of his gloves never been his strength but it's not good right now and and it started off great with the team and there was a lot of excitement like you said biz now it's like oh uh-oh and i don't i i actually looked at the standings today and i think of the 16 teams who make the playoffs i think 15 are already in i think the only thing that'll change is the rangers drop and the capitals get in and after that i think you got all 16 sitting in right now are the 16 that are in you you think anaheim's gonna stick in the third in the pacific yeah and i think nashville's gonna end up as one of the top three teams in the central unless they do make all these moves that i was talking about they gotta stop right yeah i i'm wondering if if uh right now what's up what's his name from from colorado that's running nashville now um uh mcfat or mcfarland i wonder if he's like ah like kind of thought we wouldn't be here like what am i doing now but um yeah a weird spot i don't i don't think the leafs get in the playoffs this year biz like i whine three years ago when you were you know leafs die hard all you wanted was guys like uh joshua domey those bottom six guys that can bring you energy every night now you now you're talking about you're gonna have to get rid of those guys well that brings you back to where you were i actually think it's hurt now i think i actually think the one good thing that he did do was he replenished the bottom six like i think that i think i like duheim um i like paul you know i would say that joshua was he had a good year in vancouver and then um the testicular cancer thing happened i don't think he's been quite the same player since domey unfortunately had a surgery gone wrong and i and i hope like i hope he's able to play hockey again like i i hadn't heard the extent of how bad it is but obviously it's something serious um so they have lost a little bit of that but i'm just talking about those are a few salaries that they're gonna have to shed in order to make this situation work and then based on all the deficiencies that we're seeing from this team it's not like they can go address them because they're going to be up against the cap as it is but one thing that kyle dubas did really well there is as many bad situations as he put himself in he was able to get out what's what's the old who is it houdini he would houdini his way out of these bad contracts and bad situations so i guess let's see if chica can do it but now there's even a little bit more drama with the fact that you guys talked to you touched on it tenev like you know tenev's healthy now and now they're they're trying to like uh what's going on here i don't get that he wants to play but then they want to load manage him so he's maybe more available towards the back half of the season he's not crazy about the decision i guess it's coming from up top uh i would assume that the way that it's shook it out up to this point that fans are still a little bit underwhelmed about the head coaching decision to where he you know he's underwhelming in his answers and post-game press conferences maybe lack of adjustments like not enough heartbeat so this could all just be leafland nonsense because like i'm a bit of a casual compared to how much i was invested before but you said yans this was going to be a horrible decision by them when they got chica as gm i was a little bit more positive based on the how aggressive they were and moves that they made initially let's see where the dust ends up settling here the verdict is still out and uh in leafland and and with all the the teams we've talked about so far this year i mean i know i bring up edmonton they look great vegas has been very good the wild are outstanding the true goats right now are the carolina hurricanes they are number one in the league in points they are number one in the league for goals scored they are number one in the league in goal differential they are a complete wagon and there's one guy that's a member of this organization that we love and he's over in finland and it's a late night and we haven't talked to our guy trip tracy oh bring him in what's up well look at you look at you i'll tell you what don't let it go to your heads but you legends have been rolling along nicely it's easy the league's fucking ran by bravo i just rode back on the bus usually i take the staff bus but i you know i wanted to take the first one to try to get back to the hotel to be with you greats and i i was with the old schoolers in the back jordan stall and i was with the old schoolers in the back jordan stall and i was with the old schoolers in the back jordan stall and i was with the old schoolers in the back jordan stall taylor hall after his thousandth ghost yes did you play you play with ghosts no with the no i missed them i was there when he was uh when he was playing he was excellent and i almost had him convinced martin up of course and he was you know sitting back with those guys and i i almost had him convinced you know let's let's do the chicklets here in the back of the bus and uh they all asked me to say hello i'll tell you what this this hurricanes team has been humming and they have a lot better in finland than i have because i watched that old spelling bee last night biz sorry about that i let you down trip go the heck out of it you know yeah i'll let you down but i'll tell you time change is uh a real a real bear i was in vietnam this summer that was 13 hours i haven't slept a wink here in finland but you would think the canes have because they were good tonight so a very special trip right now over to finland and they get a 4-1 win tonight aho gets two valimaki gets one that arena must have been a lot of fun electric not only for the entire game but when those guys scored pretty cool right yeah i mean and just i i was talking about uh that i rode with a bunch of the guys uh including taylor hall at the the back of the bus and and aho wasn't on the bus because he had so many media requirements after the game but they were so excited for him and they know him so well they knew that he'd have a big night um you know that's the same building uh that you know he went off on that one of the great lines really in world junior history you guys all played in the world juniors i'm busy did you play in world juniors no under 18 and then okay so yans what you did you know you remember the line with aho patrick lining and yesterpool yarby that won gold in that building and it was a dominating line and you know i was talking to yuri lednan this morning oh i love yuri lednan such a humble star he was what a player he was what a player and he said he said he's like trip that's what i knew he was going to be special in the building that sebastian just had to you know and before he ever played an nhl game he won the world world junior gold made the world championship team and then most impressively he made the world cup team before he ever played a game in the national hockey oh that's right that's it that's extraordinary and for me i shared this on tv tonight because it was great to see my old buddy who's from the same hometown as uh sebastian and 2015 second round that's when you know the tremendous draft it was and the hurricanes took aho early in the second round and you see yokan he's got a very unique voice i love him to pieces he was a great hurricane use potatoes that's how he used to say he he grew up on a potato farm and he he was telling me one day and i was like oh what did you guys have anything else besides potatoes he goes use potatoes he he goes he called me and i probably was in michigan at the time right day after that 2015 draft and he goes i call him jj he calls me tt goes tt sebastian aho remember that name and was he ever right so you know it's you know for for for aho i think he's playing with a lot of freedom because with all the individual records he already holds in the hurricanes whalers franchise the only one that he cares about is winning you know he's now a defending stanley cup champion and you know with especially no jordan stall he's taken on so much more responsibility his face-offs have been the best they've been in his career he's shooting the puck with a lot less hesitation and you know he's such a humble hurricane one of the great hurricanes probably going to go down with you know all the top records eventually and a better guy so the jordan stall was sitting there on the bus and he said you could predict it they call him fishy i try to come up with a better nickname but uh they they said fishy would be it was automatic he'd be going tonight and he certainly was and really happy for vela mackie too the guy that's come back from two knee surgeries played with goss despair with the coyotes so they have a history together you know didn't even know that he'd be playing in the global series you know played grew up in the same town as vela mackie and he's a great guy and he's a great guy and he's a great Barkie, Tompera, about an hour and a half from here for him to get a goal. So it was really just a perfect night, and quite candidly, boys, the Hurricanes have had a lot of those so far this year. Tripp, the biggest question I had about your guys' team this year was the goaltending coming in, and obviously Bussey did what he did last year in the last couple games, and obviously during the regular season as well, but Kochekov's been incredible too this year, but you look at the shots tonight. You guys gave up 13 shots. Like, Witt could play goalie for you guys. You know, you could, you know, back in your heart. Salim could. Yeah. Hey, when you guys did the Metro preview, you know, and I thought it was fantastic, great interview with Spencer Carberry, and I love you guys. I almost texted you and said, guys, Kochekov's going to have a huge year. This is a guy that has always been overflowing with confidence. He has a talent that you can't teach. He hasn't been able to stay healthy, and, you know, he has taken breaths mentally, and, you know, so even within a game where he's got a good segment of a game going, and all of a sudden it'll fall apart, and it'll snowball really quickly, but you can't teach that type of talent, and I thought the Hurricanes did a really smart thing. Now, I'm sure being the analytics team that they are, they did it with advanced statistics and deciding he was, you know, a contract year for Coachella. I think that was a tremendous move. Piotr has stayed healthy. He seems to be a lot mentally calmer. He's developed a different type of swag. He gives you an unbelievably puck, you know, a puck-handling dimension that Jans, Witt, you guys' defensemen, I mean, I think it's an invaluable asset. I was happy for Bussey tonight because whenever the Hurricanes have been slightly off, it seems like he's been in the net. You know, he struggled a little bit, too, but he started to really put it together in his last two starts, but Kochekov's a big part of why they're playing the way they are 20 games in. I think of the Hurricane way, and I saw the way that the Nikitian, the Nikitian contract negotiations played out, finally got done. Seeing Rod's comments, which were kind of like, ooh, wouldn't want to be that agent. You guys obviously looking to repeat and with what Florida's got going on and they're healthy and they look poised for a run and other teams coming up in the East, Hellebuck going to New Jersey. How has he been since coming back and signing that contract? And do you think that maybe that's a piece they move off of in order to beef up the artillery to try to go back? Back to back because, and, and, and what other areas maybe would you address in order to do so if he does move on? Great attitude so far, you know, is what a year ago that he made the cameo, you know, the, the, when I was not with you guys in Vegas and you guys said, trip, get out of here, keep Nikitian. And he, his attitude's been super, you know, he's come to a new continent. You know, he's playing the toughest position to develop at, in my opinion, I guess you could argue goal. But I still think you've did defense reign Supreme. And so I just, I'm not sure what he is yet. And that's not a criticism of Nikitian. You know, it's just, I'm not sure. Like when, as soon as I saw Jackson Blake's jet, Seth Jarvis, Logan, Stan Coven, when he was acquired, I knew, and you guys just, before I came on, we're talking about, you know, I think Toronto and talking to, you know, being in some contractual challenging situations. I mean, look at those contracts and truthfully with those players, I knew, I just don't know with Nikitian yet. So I think it was the right time to, you know, to approach the situation like the hurricanes did. I think that, you know, he had poor representation, but he has come in with a fabulous attitude. He played last Saturday against Chicago. He played with Goss's barrel. He played within the playoffs and I thought he played really solidly. Vela Mac, he's been really good. Like when Jordan stall comes back, like, you know, I, I definitely think no matter what, you want to keep Val Mackey in the fold. Mike Riley was a true impactful out of the lineup in the lineup under underrated position uh you know in mentality and the type of attitude you need so they're really deep on the blue line i think they've got to wait and see you know with what they've got with nikishin this year um you know and and i think they've got to get a handle to it you know like they project him to play his natural left side or do they project him to play his offside a lot of european guys russians in particular are more comfortable playing the right side as lefties that would change the way you look at him in the big picture if you're not playing behind slavin and keandre miller you know chad field who i love is in a contract year yeah so i you know i think you're in a position where you can just sort of take it a day at a time and you know and and and and make a judgment uh you guys asked me how you would improve the team how do you not much honestly yeah jarvis is his typical team first self because care he is going like he is it gives rod such a dimension when you plug jarvis on a different line so at this point in time you've got a ton of cap space you know like i've got to wait and see as to is is is to what they need i would have said they need a defenseman and they really need a righty but valimaki's played so well and nikishin it's just one game has been solid i i i've got a wait and see approach but defense would have been a righty would have been the one thing that i would think about but the performance of yusuf valimaki and let's see how nikishin does in his sophomore season you know that that might even settle that might make me think that you don't even need that it's it's a wagon it's an incredible team it's unreal watch too and me saying that they never they needed a superstar to get over the top only to trade for rontan and then trade him again and into a true superstar eat i look like a moron again but trip we love you um i know you got one more tilt over there so enjoy 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nikishin is a good trade chip for them and if they do end up wanting to improve yes i mean i feel like holding out too doesn't help your way in that with that team and i mean he's played one game he has a golden assist in the game but i think with slavin and miller signed and they want to re-sign um what's chadfield chadfield i think i think you'll see him out and that's a nice little return whatever they get so all right um let's shout out to halsey thousandth game today that was his thousandth wow man from living with taylor hall when he was an 18 year old kid to see what he's accomplished i love that guy i always will amazing person so happy he got his cup got his thousandth game has his mvp congratulations halsey i love you buddy speaking of thousand two i believe that janey ben right now is currently at 99 points so his next point will be his thousandth point pretty cool that's another amazing amazing accomplishment so he he had some ripper years i mean he won the art ross with 87 points to one year what a different league now different league mcdavid's gonna have 87 points before christmas yep my favorite thing my favorite thing about jamie ben is like he wasn't handed anything he came in he played fourth line for like two maybe three he was playing with like uh ought and maybe at the end of his career i remember him running around being a terror out there but he he's yeah 999 holy shit man that's a lot of points yep so shout out jamie ben when he when he gets his next point all right boys let's bring in ra for a little ra's world we haven't seen him in a couple weeks hello everybody welcome to our race world here on the spitting chicklets podcast gentlemen it's been a minute uh and just to piggyback on your note you know what about taylor hall the uh keith he's the first national hockey league player to play his 1000th game overseas which is a pretty cool fact yeah yeah pretty cool stat there that's where i played my first ever game in the world premiere games okay nice yeah in sweden sweet okay nice yeah so interesting note there uh what i knew you played in a different bond but i went to the bu harvard game tuesday night uh i looked up i said i don't know if you saw the pitch there was you know all the people that were there and i was like oh my god i'm gonna go to the bu harvard game the pros who've gone on or played olympic and you and celebrini happen to be right next to each other yeah but it was cool it was a bit of a quiet bond i mean i know they played all weekend i think they're in michigan state and then a tuesday night game weekday college games that's how you grow the game weekday college games pick one day of the week like a tuesday night put a special game for like a local hockey east they don't have to get on a plane they can just drive on a bus that's how you grow the game yeah a great bond to watch the game probably wasn't a coach's dream was a little sloppy choppy affair but harvard ended up winning six five but they needed you behind the bench all right coaches one ball hockey tournament love it i love it clean that shit up six one seven locals boys yeah absolutely absolutely we're winning next year uh biz i i did love the spell and be stopped with you and revo i was pissing my pants laughing and then i sent you my certificate from the fifth grade this guy's done it all yeah holy shit i was the fifth grade fifth and seventh the kid i beat legit pocket protect the horn room glasses at literally went to harvard and it was a huge upset the teacher hated me because she hated my brother even though i never did nothing to her so when i beat him she was bullshit that i all we need this lady on our eyes she's no longer with us because oh yeah yeah because i used to contemplate writing her an anonymous letter like he has like saying how awful of a teacher she was like you might get a tony fucking cannoli or whatever yeah you're gonna have kirk minnehame doing a document series on you but you ax and your your ex-teacher so all right if we were if we threw a couple like words at you are you still good uh yeah yeah i'm still a word nerd i still think i got a few a few more fastballs left upstairs okay all right how about each of us throw one word at you in the midst of this ra's world and let's see if you can nail them okay but you guys probably can't spell it so how you know how do you know i'm the worst i would dummy you in a spell be all right okay let's set it up maybe we'll do one next ra's world yeah verse ra yeah but for now a difficult word go ahead keep going so anyways well this isn't my recommendation for the week but in that same vein there's a there's a tremendous uh documentary from 2002 called spellbound and it follows eight like you know kids on their way to the the scripts how it's you know the national when they have a watch at washington dc area it's just it's actually it's about the spelling bee but it's really about america Erica and Al, everyone comes from a different slice of life you know like the the children of indian immigrant parents and the one one kid kid or father's a bartender at like the local dive bar it's really like a cross-section of america it's definitely worth uh seeking out and checking out and uh also too well way back in the day i actually uh put wages on on the scripts how it's spelled and be way back in the this is way before check let's boss or whatever um there was odds posted at a place and uh you know they obviously capped them but i bet i had a girl would win was minus 110 and the winner would have glasses minus 115 so a girl with no glasses won so i lost i lost a fig on that one way back in the day but how do you remember this shit uh i don't know because the stuff that stays here keeps i got no answer for uh i don't think you guys mentioned the hockey hall of fame speeches the other night i i jumped on a little late uh honestly it was really you know despite whatever happened a couple years ago it's all in the past but it was really kind of almost like a full circle moment you know it was really kind of almost like a full circle moment for me to be able to maybe selfishly like because you know i've said it before like big wall got me back into hockey way back in the early 90s you know i was in high school and having fun and chasing girls and you know you know somebody who gets drafted first round and he really rejuvenated my love for the nhl and and i became a day-to-day guy uh because of keith 100 and um and then you know later you know bergeron sort of represented i guess my more professional side my work career so it was pretty cool to have those two guys you know the guy who sort of brought me back to the game i would say and then bergeron you know got to cover him for a good spell of his career and be in vancouver when he won the cup uh so it was it was really cool it sort of like dovetailed you know my my hockey life essentially uh and i really appreciated marty walsh giving the shout out to his uh fellow city kids chuck and jerry keats keats parents who you know obviously his dad was a captain with the fight apartment with the boss of fight for 40 years and jerry works down the longshoreman so i thought that was pretty cool that marty walsh to give the shout out uh and also berkey speech was good stuff i always appreciate that stuff those guys spread the love he's a little parched yeah what's up see carrie price have to bring him up the water yeah yeah yeah i'm nervous and i have the public's carrie price looks like he's 25 years old his hair his hair is fucking incredible and then i was watching montreal minnesota they did a thing for him and i'm like this guy like he looks like what he looks when he was drafted yeah yeah he hasn't aged at all i i agree big walt speed was awesome he talked about the kids and just like pretty much hit all all the notes like talked about saint louis like um i didn't i caught part of bergeron's he did like this was amazing yeah part french as well so um but yeah what a what a class and what a bunch of speeches and it looked like marshawn was getting a little teary-eyed as as uh bergeron spoke which i totally get right the memories of 2011 and all those years and i i mean i bet you marshawn would say bergeron had an enormous impact on him becoming the player he was as he came in playing fourth line as a rat and then as the suspensions he took i know there was times when he said bergeron kind of calmed him down a little bit and i as somebody who's watched the bruins for so long like i think of those two kind of together as a hundred percent and and it was cool to have and i he mentioned a bunch of teammates that were there so that's got to be the toughest right yeah he did that's got to be the toughest thing is like they do such a great job of you know thanking all their teammates and but like they can't thank all that's going to be such a tough who do you leave out i know like and these guys were all such class acts like thanking the trainers the doctors the team you know the pr they're they're all just that's why they're hall of famers and renee did a good job talking about like every path is different yeah like you don't have to be the best 16 year old in the world to make it and his path was a was a longer road and i guess the development it's like never linear right like and he he kind of mentioned that it was it was awesome those nights are always really special yeah or that night good stuff uh shout out to our great friends over at 47 i've been buying their hats for over 40 years now since they were known as twins uh hooked me up with the san jose hat but yeah my shocks are scuffling a little bit biz you know they try to clamp down defensively this year and i think that kind of had a bad effect i mean when you're spending 24 million on all off trooper and nurse uh all right they yeah they've they've tried to fix defensively right and they still give up a boatload of chances and then their offense isn't what it was so it's yeah exactly allowing how yeah higher rate of chances off the rush allowing more passes to the slot allowing too much ozone time for the other team uh the goalies i mean they've probably been hung out to dry a little bit but they haven't been really up to snuff that maybe they should be uh and even mac i mean he's got great numbers uh 23 points in 19 but he doesn't seem to have that that sort of dominance he had at this point last year i don't know if team to figure him out a little bit or if just a the team's had taken a step back they had the uh players only meeting a week or so ago i don't know how those things go like let me actually keith how have you ever called one of those players only like who who initiates that is it the captain is it like the veteranship like and how do those typically go and what are the results usually end up being if any it's usually the captain and uh it's usually not good usually you know everyone's kind of you're either trying to figure shit out or you're yelling at each other and um yeah but they could be all different you know it could just be a you sit down i remember donor be like all right what do you got for me and then like go around the room and everybody kind of say something what you think's going on what you think you can be better but usually it's a lot of like healthy good talk that stays in the locker room and you try to bring over to the next game and you know that's why usually when you come out of one of those games you usually win but uh yeah they're i mean it's like anything you get one or two bullets a year for those things and then you kind of it loses its luster yeah hopefully they pick it up otherwise i might have to go with the snazzy utah hat i also pretty much fucked when i sent you that jersey no not no not at all it's been all downhill since then i i do i'll go ahead oh no yeah i mean utah they got a couple injuries they're dealing with right now cooley's gonna miss like i think he's week to week and gunther they were saying he's probably gonna be out a month with both upper body injuries so did you see sergeyev's defense on uh barbachev sick goal last night barbachev had a nice one we eager looked at him he was like he just happened it was it was like a wit it was crazy like he was just like oh okay go ahead it was a sick goal though yeah it was um i want to give a special uh chicklets uh shout out to rob abel uh him and his son ken they're longtime uh fans of the podcast rob had an accident he's dealing with a serious medical situation and uh they reached out to uh pal newsy london uh we just wishes and good vibes to rob and his son like you know since he's had this accident they've been he's been listening to all our old shows and it's been quite a bonding experience for him and his son and uh just want to send our love and good vibes to rob and cam and get well rob and hopefully you're feeling a little bit better out there um i got a sneak preview of this the pro beach hockey documentary keith have you heard about this oh yeah how was it it's it's unbelievable pro beach hockey sun surf and slap shots it's going to be coming out early next year i i got the trailer sent to me uh chris dreeger the goalie he's one of the producers is he yeah yeah he's one of the great guy and it uh my buddy vashi netamansky he played in it years ago he was involved with the and uh my two buddies from selby matthew and martin mullen oh they played they played in it yeah they're two of the talking heads absolutely hilarious firemen out there right yeah yeah it's funny they said they were sitting and they're probably two of the funniest interviews in the thing and say it was like winter time and like we're out of here we take a we took our hockey sticks and went west and you know they they went out there and they were like oh my god we're out there to become actors and uh they they actually got into an episode of unsolved mysteries um it was the allagash four it was it was an unsolved mystery about these four like guys in maine they were up the allagash river they got kidnapped by a ufo and they played two two of the guys who kidnapped were twins and the mullins played them uh the twins on that episode because we're up north adams we were all like proud of them you know guys from the college on the show and then a lot of the guys were in batman and robin you know the real bad batman robin with george clooney he had all those ice skate goons and a bunch of those dudes were from the from the pro beach hockey uh league back then but it's good it's gonna be coming out like this in january paperson has a big pot at luke robert's eye he was like instrumental in getting it going uh so i'll let you know more when that's coming out but uh on here on netflix fantastic documentary i caught last week funny money the dane cook story any of you guys got a chance to see that brother robbed them right yeah like this uh adam scourgey i think that's how you say it yeah adam scourgey yeah he's been he said that we can get him on if we want like uh i've kind of heard most of the story he asked he asked actually asked if we want to get that like that who's the uh the rocky uh fighter four fuck boys no the fucking russian dolf oh oh dolf dolf sorry boys my brain that's right yeah done now yeah you flew all day didn't you yeah an hour asleep flew all day fucking lost the spelling bee here i am put him on the carolina hurricane boys he's a fucking grinder yeah scourgey produced it and uh brett javi directed it he also directed uh inmate number one the rise of danny trejo and ice god it's the uh hockey doc a few years back yeah he's very talented and that's it's really is a great documentary it's sad i you know dan cook wasn't necessarily my cup of tea comedy wise back in the day it's incredible all right i thought the documentary was so so good and the fact that his brother stole all that money from him and the way he did it and how he ended it like with the with the letter it's crazy man yeah it's so fucked up and i get full props to cook for sitting there like i mean it's you know i could be the worst thing that did he's going well non-death, I would say, because he lost his parents in sort of quick succession. Then he finds out his brother bankrupted him. But for him to sit there and, you know, talk about that, that's not an easy thing to do, to talk about that and to still maintain his sense of humor. Oh, he just interviewed Salim. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, it's not even a joke. I mean, it was a tough moment for both those guys to talk about. But I had a whole newfound respect for Dan Cook and tons of empathy because the guy, like, you know, he just trusted somebody he should have trusted. And it turned out, you know, being, unfortunately, a bad move. But definitely give that a whirl. It's definitely worth watching. Also, a classic recommendation for the week. It's really a new classic, I would say. I don't know if you guys have watched any of the Godzilla movies. I know they've been a shitload of them lately. But the one that came out a couple years ago, Godzilla Minus One, it's actually told from, like, the Japanese perspective. He's supposed to be a kamikaze pilot, and he lands on this island to get his plane checked because he really didn't want to fucking do a kamikaze mission while on the island. This is the first scene of the movie. Godzilla attacks the whole island. He's the only survivor. And it, like, traces his story. It's, you know, like, I don't know. Sounds like one of the worst movies of all time. No, no, buddy. It's fucking fantastic. It's not just him and King Kong wrestling all over Tokyo and fucking 69ing each other. No, it's a fantastic movie. It's got, like, a lot of pathos to it. It's definitely recommended. I mean, if your subtitle's on your thing, it might not be a cup of tea. But I loved it. Yeah, Godzilla Minus One. And there's actually a sequel coming out, Godzilla Minus One. And it's zero, I believe, in another few weeks or so. And also, I did the dog walk. We did a draft with, you know, Eddie and Chief KFC and White Sox Dave. We did TV drama characters. But HBO shows could not be included. So if you want to check that out, it was good stuff. But, yeah, boys, I feel like hockey's just kind of like not a ton of real surprises. I mean, I'd say Boston and Montreal might be the two biggest surprises. Nashville, Seattle as well. But, yeah, things are humming along. The league's been going great. Plenty of soapboxes. Bobber drama. You know, I'm just enjoying it all, fellas. Just when you think, like, Seattle deserves, you know, some credit, which they do, they get 13 shots against the whole game. Yeah, it's tough. All right, let's end it on a high note. What do you got? Spell hedonism. Hedonism. H-E-D-O-N-I-S-M. Hedonism. Fucking right, sir. Holy shit. Doing it and not writing it down is very impressive. Now spell hedonism, too. Now spell hedonism, too, which is the reason why I went to. Bumping in and grinding and bumping in and grinding. All right, everyone. Thank you so much. All right, it's good to catch up with you. Love you, boys. Thank you to The Dream, otherwise known as The Nightmare. Thank you to Big J. And thank you to no Trip Tracy, the one and only Trip Tracy. We will see you guys. I think we might be dropping Monday, possibly, because we're recording Sunday. One last thing, Whit. Literally. Fuck you, Tony Escargot. That's cool. The war is on, mother fucker. That's how we're ending it. Peace. Love you all. Peace. It won't happen. It won't happen. It won't happen again. A bad habit worth breaking, but it's taking time. And I know you don't let it. It's going to happen. It's going to happen again. Yeah.