Spittin' Chiclets Episode 664: Featuring Dave Tippett

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I've never been more pinkies up in my life. And I will explain why in a couple minutes. But shout out pink Whitney. And summer's not over yet. And even when summer ends and fall becomes a part of our life again and winter and football, pink Whitney, it always remains. It doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't matter. So pinkies up. We got football tailgates. But we're not there yet. We're still summer as I go. Pinkies up. Thank you very much. If you don't like golf, one, you're an idiot. Two, shut the pot off or at least fast forward for 25 minutes because I don't want to hear any complaining. And if you complain to me, I don't care because currently this morning at 834 on Monday, August 10th, I am on top of the world, boys. But dream came true. My guy, Andy Luther from Alabama and myself won the Fallon Cup. What is the Fallon Cup? What is the Fallon Cup, guys? It's the greatest member guest in the world. And I'm not exaggerating. And we're going to get golf termy here. We're going to discuss. Now, are you mad that we're talking about golf? Stop talking about golf. I want to talk about hockey. Shut up because I won. I'm a champion forever. And guess what? The format of this tournament. I mean, boys, if I had your shit, I can't wait to hear about it. I have no idea. I've heard about the Fallon Cup, but I don't know. Let me quickly explain the Fallon Cup. OK, the Fallon Cup. Most member guesses. A lot of member guesses. You bring a guest and you play five or seven nine hole matches and then there's different flights. And well, the Fallon Cup, you can have anyone can sign up for the Fallon Cup. But the problem is there's only 96 spots. So they have a championship flight. First flight, second flight, third flight. Fourth flight, fifth flight. There was one hundred and twenty two teams that signed up. Well, what happens is you do qualifying. You do best ball. You go out and play with your partner. And if is me and you were playing together and you make a five and I get a four, our score is four. OK, so you have to be top ninety six to get it. So I think twenty six teams didn't even get in this year, which is tough. You know, people travel for it, but it's gross. Once the tournament starts, then you use the strokes and everyone's handicap comes in. But to get into the tournament. You just have to go out and post a number. My guy, my guy, Andy Luther, we've been in the championship flight every year. We always go out, shoot three or four under, which is hard. You can go out there and make a double bogey. You don't get into the championship flight. Why does the championship flight matter the most? Because that's the only way to win the Fallon Cup. If you win the champ flight, you win the Fallon Cup. If you win your other flight, you know, you win maybe a couple of bucks and you win your flight, but you don't win the Fallon Cup. I won the Fallon Cup. And people maybe say, oh, it's a member guest. You can. It's the Fallon Cup. F-A-L-L-O-N Cup. Who is Fallon? I don't even know, dude. It was the 87th year, boys. It was the 87th year. And I saw that and I go, Crosby. I go, I wouldn't even have a life without number 87. And it's the 87th Fallon Cup. Oh, shit. I'm not going to lie, boys. I'm not going to lie. Like, I've kind of in the back of my mind been like, I'm like running out of time. Like, these young kids are coming. They got new members. They're smashing it 50 yards past me. I'm like, if I don't get this thing soon, I turn 44 in February. Like, I'm running out of time. And if I hadn't won this goddamn tournament, I could have been on my deathbed at nine years old. I would have shook my head. I never won the Fallon. Like, my life wasn't complete without winning this tournament. How many teams in the championship? 16. So, you got to win four matches. Okay? So, it was an awesome, awesome Thursday night party. And then teams qualify Wednesday and Thursday. So, it's all day. Those two days. And then the matches start. So, we won Friday. And Friday, we got matched. We're playing like the best player at the club. Nine holes each match? No, that's the thing. They're 18-hole matches. Holy shit. So, that's another. I didn't even say that. That's another thing. It's pretty cool. It's a long. Well, 18-hole matches comes into play. Yeah. I will not run through each match. Although, I could sit here for five hours solo on and talk about this goddamn tournament. What's crazy is you would remember every single hole. Every single hole. Well, I won the Fallon Cup. I don't know if I told you that yet. Yes. The Fallon Cup. So, Jake Ratty is an unbelievable player. We get him first round. He went to the finals last year. I'm like, dude, if we can get through this one, like, we can win this thing. Mind you, Luther and I, every other year, have won on Friday. We always win the first round. First round. And then we lose Saturday. We never made it to Sunday. And it was like, dude. But I kept saying, I'm like, it's like golfers when they lose a bunch of tournaments. They're like, I'm just going to keep putting myself in position. I'm going to keep putting myself in position. So, boom. We get through Friday again in an incredible match. We won one unreal match. And we're like, all right. We got to slay the dragon Saturday. And we slayed the shit out of the dragon. I grabbed his sword and I put the sword through the dragon's throat on Saturday with Luther. And he was gone. Okay. So, now we're on to Sunday. Like on the Cyclops' eye in our seat. Yeah, exactly. Mind you, Avery was in, was around when we won the Final Cup, too. He was in there. So, Saturday night, you have the big Thursday night party at Wall. And then you have a big Friday night party when the wives come. Thursday night's men's only. And then it's like, all right, if you win Saturday, you're on to the semifinal Sunday. You tee off at 7 a.m. I'll just take it easy. No, no, no, no. Because we had our guy, Keith. He handles surprise 40th birthday party Saturday. He didn't have a clue. He pretended to know biz. He didn't have a goddamn clue. He walked in. All of his best friends and his family are there. Surprise! Meanwhile, I'm in the corner looking at the pin sheets for the match the next morning. So, here's another great aspect. So, Kevin Hayes plays. They're in the champ flight with a kid, Nick Rezo, a very good golfer. He's in the other semifinal of the champ flight on Sunday morning. So, he's at 7. 7 a.m. I'm at 7.10. Keith's party was awesome. We'll get into that. But I'm going to talk about the Fallon Cup. So, I'm like, if we get by this and we play hazy in the finals, it'll be probably the most legendary final you could ever ask for. And so many people follow the final. They got the scoreboard out there and everything. So, we get into this Sunday morning match and we just take care of business. We won on 14. And now, at this point, the train's rolling. And when I play 36 holes, days I play 36, 36 holes, I play nasty the second 18. Really? And maybe not nasty, but always better than the morning. And in the morning, I think I was 4 over through 14. So, I was playing pretty good, but not like, I'm like, I need more. I need more in the finals. Casey ends up losing. They had a good match, but they lost to the defending champs. Okay? The member's a very good player, very steady. And the guest is a kid who plays at UConn. Or he just graduated from UConn. Like, a legitimate golfer. They won it last year. And I don't even, they were, like, kind of drumming everyone. I think they beat Hazy on 17. But they won matches 5 and 4, 6 and 5. And it's on. And it's on like Donkey Kong. And here we go. This match, boys, I could take you by the call. I really could. Will I? Yeah. It's the Fallon Cup. First hole, we tie with pars. Second hole. Now, I'm getting six shots. Okay? Because this kid's in as a plus three. And I'm a three. So, I'm getting six shots. My partner, Andy Luther, is getting four shots. Because he's a plus three. he's a one and then the member Zach is getting five because he's a two so four five and six are the shots that this kid Ray's giving out the second hole um I hit a really nice nice shot into the middle of the green I have a putt for three two I two putt for four three Zach's long you can't go long at Wally World he chips this incredible chip like down to like four feet and cans it for four three now I haven't even putted yet okay because whatever long story now I have like I'm like now I have to two putt it's a little different I two putt no problem we go to three Zach buries like a 25 foot birdie we're down one at this point we'd played three matches and we're three holes into the final match we had not been um not lead it we never were trailing the match so I said wow that's our first deficit okay no worries we go to four we tie four we go to five um my guy Luther hits it on he's got an eagle putt Zach hits it on he has an eagle putt I get up and down for birdie so now Luther has a free run right it doesn't matter if he hammers the eagle putt by because we have the four thanks to me with dog and uh what happens he literally leaves it one inch from the cup for eagle and Zach steps up and knocks in the eagle oh so we're two down I'm like Jesus God like we're playing we're fine you know what I mean but we're two down we get to six 185 yard or 100 yeah 180 I think it was and um we both kind of hit it on the green just off the green and this kid Ray hits it to an inch now we're down three I'm like Jesus but you know what boys I'm so proud of myself and the loose dog I was so positive like we're fine I'm like we're fine I'm like we're and I was striping it. I was striping it. So I was like, my game's money right now. Second 18 of the day. You know what I used to do like eight days a week before I had kids. Thanks, kids. We go to seven and we win. They both three putt. All right, we're two down. We're two down, okay? We go to eight. We tie. Still two down. We go to nine. I'm so dumb. I thought I was the only one stroking, okay? But I wasn't. My partner makes birdie and Zach makes four. I'm like, nice one down. We get up. I see the card. Zach was stroking. So we're still two down. Still two down. All right, no worries. We go to 10. Everyone has birdie putts. Zach makes another 25-footer for birdie. Three down through 10. Now, at this point, it's like most people watching. I'd say there was about 100 people out there watching. They got the cards. They got the booze. It's just phenomenal. Pinky's up. Was Yanzir watching? No, because he's in Nantucket. I just got here. That's another story. I was up till two in the morning. My alarm went off. Four. I've slept two hours, boys. Two hours. I was hugging the trophy. I had the trophy in bed, just rubbing it. And so we end up down three with eight to go. We drive off the 10th hole. I go, dude, we just have to make a long putt. We're going to have to make a couple long putts. They've made three or four, you know, 20 to 30-foot putts. Luther's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Luth goes on to 11 and cans like a 40-foot downhill slide. Fuck yes, Luth. He's a dog. This kid's an absolute dog. Calum Morgan. Oh, yeah. He's just got big old calves. He loves IPAs. He's an animal. So we go to 12. They both bogey. Now we're one down. Now we're one down. We get the pars on 12. We're one down. We go to 13. I hit this thing dead right. This thing's going 100 yards into the water, hits a tree, and kicks down with a perfect angle to the green. Luther snap hooks his out of bounds. They're sitting pretty. These guys, we both, so I end up, we all have birdie putts. They lip out. Like I'm talking, it hits the lip and stops on the edge. And I made like a five-foot par putt. We're still one down. We go to 14. Both teams birdie. Now we get to 15. We are one down, and this is the hole I stroke alone. You remember four shots for Luth, five shots for Zach, six shots for Whitdog. That's a stroke hole? 15. It was all the way back. It's my favorite hole. I wonder why it's my favorite hole at the course. You want to know why? Because you're a foul and cop champ. Because I hit a great drive, but Ray, this kid hits it legit 60 yards past me. I hit it on to about 25 feet. I'm stroking alone. I don't know if I mentioned that. He hits it to like seven feet. He stuffs it. So I'm like, oh, dude, like I got to make this. Three for two. He's not even putting. He cannot beat three for two if he's putting for three. Yeah. Damn, Whitdog. Bam. Right in the jar. This match is tied up. We go to 16. Birdie putts for everyone. Everyone misses. We go to 17, okay? Everyone hits it on. They both three putted. We're one up. What? One up going to 18. We parred. They bogey. We now have the lead. We were down three after 10, and through 17, we're up one. And I'm talking. The vibes are high. I'm seeing all my best buddies. They're fist popping me. Let's go in. Let's go in. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit on that. We get to 18. Buddy, I hit the drive of my life. I just fade this thing around the corner. I'm sitting dead middle of the fairway. Uphill shot. A true championship finishing hole, the 18th hole at Walston. This is the Fallon Cup we're talking about, by the way. I got one fifth. Luther had like 195. Hits an incredible shot, but it goes to the back right of the green. And the pin is front left. So I'm like, that's going to be a very hard two putt. I'm standing over this ball. I'm like, nine iron. It was 140 to cover the bunker. Uphill play in 150. I'm like, or I chip an eight, but I've been like swinging hard at stuff and not doing like softer swings, which that's a different subject. We can get into that another golf talk day. I choose nine. I come up and out of it, buddy. I leave it short, like click on, like near the top of the hill. But now I have to hit it over like the rough in a bunker to a front left pin. So I got to hit it high. I nipped this thing pretty nice to about eight feet. Okay. Zach has a birdie putt for three, two. We're all stroking on this hole. Also, I should have mentioned that. Okay. Zach leaves his birdie putt to make three for two, literally right here. An incredible putt. Luther putts his down to about like three, four feet, an awesome putt. So now if Luther makes that putt, we win. Or if I make my putt, I win. I had eight feet. So I'm going to go first and I'm not going to lie. I said, I want to make this putt. Oh yeah, here it is. Here's the video. Here's the video. So here's the video. And I'll just keep talking. I'm lining this thing up boys. And I'm like, I've had this putt before. It's split left edge. Just hit it with pace. Luther's going to make his anyways, but I want to be the one to make this putt. And I'm so laser focused. I bought this shirt before the final because I wanted a Wally shirt. When I won the tournament, I wore this sandbar Jetty's beach Nantucket hat the whole time. Cause I really liked this hat. And right now in my mind, I bring the putter back and Fallon cup. And let me tell you guys, and let me tell you guys, I said, let's go with a, it was about 12 inches, but I knew I hearted it. I knew I hearted it and we won and we some, and I forever am a Fallon cup champion with Andy Luther. They put your name on the big trophy, pinkies up. I can't believe that I won. And let me tell you this too. I, on the 13th hall, I had to make that putt for par to stay one down and I'm standing over it. And I'm not lying. I started smiling. I started smiling because I said, this is all you've wanted is to play in this match. Every year I go to the championship match every year and every year. I'm like, I want to play in this match. I love when people have followed. I want to play in this match. I stood over this putt and I actually started smiling. I'm like, you're in this match and I fucking canned it. And my attitude and just, am I pumping my own tires? Right now? Yes. No. Are we talking about your champion? Are we a golf podcast? No. Are we talking about a Fallon cup champion for the rest of eternity? Yes, we are. So thank you for listening to my Ted talk, but I won. I won. Dude, that was an, thank you for sharing. The trophy is incredible. It's unbelievable. It's huge. It's the Fallon cup. It's oh, that's right. Yeah. And, and the, so you have no idea who this Fallon guy is? No. Yeah. It's a great question. I mean, my buddy, John Fallon. Me and Keith's buddy, Bill, he named his daughter Fallon. He named his daughter after this tournament, I think. Legit. So now we got to get into the fact that you guys had an impromptu Yandel surprise birthday party during the Fallon cup. Dude, I was, I was so stressed out during his matches. I'm like, cause if he loses, he was at my party. He's going to be pissed at me. Oh no, no, no, no, no. So I was like stressed out about that, but yeah, luckily he took it home. And, um, yeah, it was just an incredible, I still can't. I woke up. I was like, was it a dream? Was it a dream? Oh no. This metal trophies touching my earlobe in bed. Brie wasn't here. Brie wasn't there. I got off the green and my father-in-law had showed up, but I never saw him in the crowd. And he's, he had been FaceTiming with Brie and the boys cause they're in New York city. So they were watching it on FaceTime and then like Ryder and Wyatt are going nuts. It was, it was a great, it was a great, great, great. It was a day. I'll and an even better guy. And it's just a turn. It's a, it's an awesome tournament, dude. It's so fun. And how'd you, how'd you meet him? We got paired together. I, I played in the mass am in 2019 or 18. and we were randomly paired together and he's like hey i live in milton i was like oh so do i he's like i'm from alabama i play at boston golf he's like you know like you like playing money matches i'd love to get some money matches they go oh you just got paired with the right guy and we've just been playing golf together ever since biz this tournament is so crazy that like obviously it's a member guest so some of the members have never met their partners before they'll meet them in the parking lot but like they're a great player and they want to win so bad they hire guns to come in yeah there's hired guns there's high like there's got like there's like 65 year olds playing would you consider that guy hired gun no my guys no no no he's not a hired gun he is not a hired gun because we had we played together said hey and he brings and so we won boston golf member guest and now we won this one so we got both our clubs we got both our clubs were able to figure that out and um there was other funny stuff but i'm just on cloud nine i don't know are these members like paying these hired guns to come in to play with them or are they just like no they're not paying but they're but they're paying for the tournament and like you know everything else but yeah it's like we'd also lost to we lost two years in a row to a kid who shot 29 on the front and then 65 we lost in a playoff next year a different kid shot 29 in the front and we lost on that match on 17 it was just like i was just like i don't know if i'm ever gonna like i don't know if i'm ever gonna win this tournament i didn't fucking did though yeah uh so you guys call it wally world uh are you also a member at wallston and old sandwich yes yes so wallston's like where i live like right there it's like kind of like it's the one we played against tuka in them yeah we it's where we played tuka in them uh wallston golf okay i thought that was old sandwich no no no no tiger woods won a u.s junior am at wallston in like 1993 or something like that okay it's a sick sick little track amazing people there i'm bad with the track name sorry boys i should have known no i was playing that is the final cup just don't ever forget the word fallon cup all right don't ever forget it yeah we did it does this like after this like does it feel like the the the family feud and and the the saber sword is that so far in the rear view mirror where you're like i'm a fallon cup champion like i don't give a fuck about any of that shit buddy you could pants me on family feud while i'm drinking a sabers chug sword and i literally wouldn't care and i think i said i think i said recently when discussing how it's been a tough year it's been a tough year for the wit dog and i think i said i'm due for something good you are no i think i would have said that and now was this online for the world to see like the family feud and the saber chug and everything else that i've embarrassed myself with no it wasn't but in my mind i don't care i don't care that everyone else doesn't know why because i just came on and talked about it for 25 minutes so there you go cup champion there you go get to keep the trophy for till next fallon cup yep hey tell him your house he did a he did a class move well i had luth take it home um to show his daughter his daughter's i think four or five and and she's really into trophies so she's getting baptized out of it i think that happens a little younger but but i didn't think you know you know just if you're told me if you told me when i joined wallston i think it was 2009 8 that um i would be drinking a vodka named after me out of the fallon cup after winning the fallon cup i probably would have said you're crazy but so it turns out man i showed up i i nutted up dude in that final match i shot 72 getting six shots that's a 66 net our team was 10 under they were nine under so it was a great match dude it was a it was a it was a it was a fun fun day that i'll never forget 36 holes the second 18 the with dog brings the thunder hazy must be a pretty good i know we played against he was incredible is so he's so much better now well he's like a seven where i think he's a seven index that's real good yeah but he when he's on he like every match they were winning he was like on the front nine he was like one over and then like he's playing a kid he played a kid um who played in two plays and he's getting 11 shots from this kid who's like a plus four and like shooting one over on the front it's like you can't beat that no matter what and so hazy was on fire and i think in the semifinals he said he he had like a couple holes where he was stroking alone that he messed up um but he played awesome he played awesome so it was uh yeah i mean we can move on i guess kopitar's getting a statue so are you outside of wallston witt's gonna put a statue of himself at his house yeah yeah yeah it's your party he's like where's my parking spot it's like yeah we got we got bigger fish to fry sweet he could park on the road yeah oh shit i i bought a place a few doors down you could park there with my fallon cup winnings i get towed but i still have the trophy so i don't care yeah that's awesome that's awesome so i really haven't followed anything like i have no clue what we're even talking about right now like there's not much i i do know there's getting a statue i guess he's getting a statue which i mean well deserved i think when the other guys uh from that dynasty got the statues we were well aware that kopitar was going to get one will he get his own individual or is he going to get blended into the their type of statue because i think the other one was what is it brown brown has one with somebody else i thought it was brown and one other guy because remember i originally was like i don't know if dustin brown statue guy oh maybe we if brown's getting one then we're gonna probably have a quickie's gonna be there and then dowdy's gonna be in it so it would be it would be kopitar quickie dowdy i mean yeah brown that was the core that was the core but then you got mr game seven you know justin williams he could have a statue with carolina and la technically he won the con smites for him the split jersey how about that kid's contract for pittsburgh what's this kid's name this is a funny funny talks i don't think it was angrier than matt murley when that contract came up murrell's just put comparing his stats through through 30 games compared to his saying hey i would have took half of this i would have took a two-way i thought this was a i thought this was a i just saw twitter and i i saw this is the fan base was all over me about the genzel trade saying that this kid was going to be like the next the next fin that's that's the guy they were they they were backing up and justifying that that genzel move where listen like this is uh let's real he's 23 years old recorded two goals and five assists across 39 games last season he also collected 13 goals and 28 assists for 41 points in 34 ahl games so he's lighting up the ahl good for him but sick to sign this guy to an eight-year 32 million dollar deal hey man i don't know have you watched him play much hands do you know much about him no nothing i don't know one thing about him now if he ends up being decent though they're gonna look like geniuses that you know the dubious mastermind where like maybe he's like this kid's gonna be good and we just got him for four million bucks a year which is now league minimum so in fairness you're actually paying him nothing it's just so funny to see your career nhl stats be what they are and get 32 million dollars i think merles might still be like awake just like looking at his stats being like i don't get it i don't get it i don't get look at me look at me i got sent down by lavi let after i scored that fucking preseason game this is bullshit do you think it's one of those things with because genzel is such a prominent player like they had to sign him to save face to justify it yeah i mean make him make him prove another year right i'm sure he would have taken him to the top of the league or something like that he would have taken him to the top of the league or something like that he would have taken him to the top of the league he would have taken him to the top of the league he would have taken him to the top of the league he would have taken him to i've been hearing from from different people he said oh come on too i loved him um so i was talking to ryan shea him and i think um savoy uh leon bouchard uh there was like eight guys went up to mcdavid's and they had a little and the oilers are ready buddy the oilers are ready they're dialed in as a team he said they had a great weekend up at the mcdavid ranch how horny are you to hear that i'm i'm like buddy like i there would like if i can win the fallon cup the oilers can win the stanley cup we got we got one of the best coaches in the history of the sport nobody else has won what he what what yeah no you're right he nobody's won what he's won you can't deny the fact that the guy can coach don't listen to people who dog babs babs is the guy who's gonna bring the cup back okay if i can win the fallon cup the oilers can win the stanley cup that's for certain and there's no strokes in the nhl playoffs not to not to like uh not to be negative in this moment of you glazing babs when you were on that golf trip with commodore did you find out what happened between him and the oilers uh yes so they sent him an email um babs did they sent him an email saying like like what what is it what is it called when you cease and desist no yeah it was a cease and desist like slant you know slander but like what is the word you use legally if you're gonna sue somebody for defamation defamation they're like we're gonna sue you for defamation which is call me he's like and call me telling this story is so funny he's like you basically can't ever like win a case if you're famous if you think somebody like defame defamation dude this is tough for me right now no no i defamed you yeah you got it and like port noise talked about this where like he sued people for defamation but i guess if you're in the public eye basically people can say whatever they want about you like that's kind of like the gist of it so call me he's like but then i guess call me uh libel libel call me texted a lawyer buddy of his and he's like um yeah i'd probably delete the one tweet because he had a tweet where like if your child is at like the oil spill there's a predator running around i did think the predator word was totally unnecessary for a freaking legendary coach mike babcock the guy can coach his dick off boys and so the predator thing i think he deleted and then reworded it without using predator saying the exact same thing okay so if he ends up in court with the oeg group i i think that would be a storyline basically built for spitting chiclets well and he played for the flames right battle of alberta yeah exactly exactly and i would go legal battle of alberta mike commodore and then i would pay call me just to maybe represent himself like matt damon and goodwill hunting and memes represent him yeah retainer retainer um yeah so call me still really really dislikes matt mike babcock but you know who loves him zach heitman and hey conor mcdavid and all these guys so stanley cup on and maybe they need to be the villains that they you know they need to take on that type of identity where it's us again against the world then it feels like it's that right so oh yeah i with with florida missing playoffs last year and then i would just to see that that trilogy would be if they would so you'd sign up right now if you could to guarantee an edmonton florida i think we need a i would love to see a leafs panthers first round with bob going against his former team and i yeah as as much as that travels a kick in the junk oh my god i feel like i feel like i did the odyssey i was matt damon by the way so i saw the odyssey okay what'd you think i think that matt damon should win 10 oscars for not crushing charlie's there and after having to eat the lotus flowers for 10 years on that island with her he never crushed her right yeah oh i was assuming that they were sleeping together yeah yeah three times a day i mean they didn't show it yeah they were all i think he literally only crushed her when he was awake he was crushing that's what he took from the movie that is what he took from one of the greatest never once he's gonna say you win 10 oscars for just his acting role i sat there for three hours and they were pounding and i didn't get the watch yeah i know oh if you went to i should get zero oscars you can see it in imax oh yeah yeah it's 3d too her vagina's in your face with the 3d glasses on it's pretty cool just they're like they're they're man the ship she's squirting just just waterworks charlie's staring fucking it's like the water's coming in the theater horror the water's in the theater we're like ah it's like you get the smell you're like oh we're gonna see world experience we're getting the full experience um unreal like just yeah the way it was filmed like for that long of a movie you never got bored you know like the like the scene with the scene with the witch turning them into pigs the the cyclops one the cyclops one word like it was it was fucking loud i know that guy was screaming his dick off man he sounded like memes coming in from a bar in london at four in the morning oh dude yeah when the cyclops grabbed the one guy and just like basically just like flossed his teeth with him i'm like oh shit man yeah that that was that was crazy and then they were smart enough to not let him because they were gonna get him before it was open before the door was open they would have been stuck in there with a dead cyclops yeah i i love like i love the way it was shot too in the beginning how like it was go kind of going back and forth and like starting the story the the trojan horse the way they filmed that was incredible yeah just how they were all in there and how when it was being tilted up you kind of see them move around and trying to maneuver in there you know it was cold in there right that's apparently it was freezing cold and they were they were committed to the bit but um i would say that i would compare it to like it was essentially matt damon's gladiator yeah like you look at russell crowe and gladiator and how it sustained the test of time and how much of an impact it had during during that period of film um obviously like a similar type thing like the swords the fighting and and all that type of stuff i i felt like it'll it'll be like it'll it'll be in that category till the end of time yeah is that a fair comparison yeah percent yeah just a longer version i definitely need to watch it a few more times in order to get more of like the the like the nuances and the names and you know it's it's a that's a long that's a grind of a movie i can't remember a lot that was also the first time i've been to the movies like probably years and years started you don't go to the movie theater you just watched your dvd of there will be blood in your house like you don't need theater that was that was your father's gift i haven't gotten that yet i watched that usually just on the streaming channels but uh incredible and the only other thing i was going to tell you guys is um we had a we had this dinner at what i would probably call my favorite restaurant in canada it's called the deep cove chalet and i might get banned from the store so i just want to let you guys know that i'm like i'm putting it out i'm putting myself out there for this i'm and if you get banned you'll be rattled and you love the place but you have to tell the story i have to tell the story because pasha ended up going there for the first time now keep in mind i get to go there probably like once a summer when i'm back in in victoria um and pasha had never been there to eat before so so he was part of this experience so to set the table it's about 30 minutes from victoria it's called the deep cove chalet and there's like an 80 year old like the family owns it and there's an 80 year old chef in the kitchen french guy and he's he's incredible and you know how you talk to how you don't like the the michelin stars this is one of those like i would call it fine dining but they're giving you great portions like the meals and the side dishes and the appetizers are all incredible is it hero act food like the like you're just like what is this or is it like normal no hero act like good just good every time i get there i get the beef wellington you know you know what beef wellington is yep there's the meat in the middle with the bread on the outside oh yeah they give you like a side one as like just like to bring it out yeah so the sidecar beef wellington exactly exactly pretty pretty nice so uh you know it's like a five acre property they have like a little vineyard it's on the water you can go in for a dip if you want like so it's like not pretentious in that way where they give you like a towel if you want to go in for a dip if you want to go in for a dip if you want to go have a swim the only like the only thing that's a little weird and you guys might not like this is uh the main they got the main server i'm going to call him gaston just for the sake of the story is it's inside and outside and they don't have many servers so he's making the drinks and he gets like real sweaty so he starts like leaking oil and he kind of walks like well a little i don't want to call him a hunch but what he's the tray full of the drinks all the sweat ends up leaking no to the to the to the to the tip of his chin buddy he's not working out he's that sweaty is it how hot is it there working his bag off i know he's working but like you're sweating it's not that hot there is it the gist of it is is he leaks a little bit in the cocktails as he's dropping them off okay okay so i knew that right away you're probably like how is this your favorite restaurant yeah well you this reaction right here is exactly what i was hoping for okay this is like when you ends i told him i really like the sub shop he's like i'll never go there again i said why he said because i took a bite of a sub from there one time and there was an elastic band in the middle of it i'll never go there again biz you witnessed sweat drip off the chin and fall directly in the body it's the little that's like this little extra spice it the drink so here here's the kicker it's a palate cleanser it's a palate it's a straight up acid palate cleanser it's an electrolyte so so we are on the way to the restaurant and we're excited for pasha to experience this the first time not only sitting outside taking it in through like sunset the water's there the food's incredible like the service is incredible uh maybe other than what i just mentioned which i don't personally care about because the food and the restaurant is so good so we tell and describe this to pasha hey he's sweat bay not salt bay yeah he's okay sorry so no we're good so we get there and we've described this to pasha going into his first experience and we get there and gaston comes up the table because he's of course our server again and he is bone dry bone dry and i'm like oh fuck okay maybe like like we described this and kind of had fun with it maybe pasha's not going to get to witness it well we all throw in our drinks well he goes back to the to the kitchen to mix in these cocktails and he comes out me so pasha he was the second last to order a drink and i was the last and pasha's like you know what i'll get a i'll get a margarita i said you know what i'll get a margarita to gaston so he fucking call he shake it all shake weight away he comes out after being bone dry when we got there and he is leaking bro he is leaking so i'm nudging pasha beside me and i'm like okay sure enough he fucked he's leaning over to drop off the first set of drinks and that beat of sweat is just dangling it's dangling he comes back up goes to the second person leans right over and that beat of sweat drops either in my margarita or pasha's margarita buddy direct shot battleship has sunk direct hit direct hit you wanted salt on the rim correct oh yeah everywhere so we don't know who got the salt the uh salt bay sweat bay in the drink what did he do i lean over making the drink like he was dry made the drinks and that's what makes him leave pasha come on in or he's probably shake waiting or he's like eating lotus flower like pounding out a girl in the back before he's making the drink that's that's the other thing posh you guys you guys undersold it it was like a scene out of a movie it wasn't even beads of sweat it was like a steady stream of sweat and like at one point he like comes over like joey asked a question about the menu he's leaning over he's just leaking all over joey's pants joey's like trying to get out of the way it was insane but like something about him like he was so charming and nice that you like weren't like rattled on him it just kind of like you were just kind of like yep this is part of the experience and like it was straight out of a comedy movie we were just losing our shit don't you think like the there or the manager's been like gaston you gotta bring a sweat towel already has a sweat towel all the time there's been time there's been times where he's had like a like a scarf what do you call those like a the afghan what do you call those uh a burka no i'm not a burka no those those those like it's instead of ties sometimes they wear them on tv oh yeah he only wears that when pasha comes oh hey so when is he sweating into the food as well or he i know i think you're getting i think you're getting the full experience he's sweating into everything he opens up your beef wellington and then like the sweat goes into it and then he closes it back up do you think anyone do you think anyone who goes to this restaurant regularly like if they're listening right now is like dying laughing because they all know i think that i will get a mix of text messages from the friends that i know who go there all the time being pissed off that they might be on the no-fly list because i got pasha do you have a picture in the group chat of the french chef who's like 80 years old like this whole like i'll pull it up you could make you could make a movie based on this restaurant it feels like it's out of a disney movie like the 80 year old chef like pasha will pull up a picture of him like he came out but the thing is though i think that i think there's a lot of people who are on the no-fly list in this restaurant it's you have to do with the people that complain about sweat bay but they've chose sweat bay over those people they're like no no no like this hard guy that's our guy i respect the loyalty for the sweat yeah do you have it this is this is gaston that's this is no no that's the chef that's the owner and yeah if he doesn't like you you're blacklisted so business probably on that list now so he's like a soup nazi like no sweat for you no sweat for you well gaston's the soup nazi because you order a salad then he brings you a bowl of soup you're like what is this yeah sweat yeah it's like whatever they want to give you you're having with a little side of sweat so if that was my last ever meal if that was my last ever meal at the deep cove chalet then and so be it at least and biz had to go biz jumped in the ocean after his meal he was somehow less salty after jumping in the ocean than after his main dinner oh my god so good what a week boys what an absolute week we've all had our adventures incredible and we have dave tippett we're gonna throw it over to dave tippett who man i always thought he was like a dead serious kind of grump based on his look behind the bench just yeah he's got resting resting bitch coach face but man this guy was so fun to talk to and hearing stories about coaching both of you guys like i really enjoyed this interview i think everyone listening will enjoy hearing about you guys and i really enjoyed this interview and from him i also didn't know and i feel i feel bad some of these guys who they weren't like you know big name it's like it's like me as a player right if i didn't have the podcast like nobody would remember me as an nhl or well they would now cup champ fallon cup champ but like dave tippett i didn't really know i didn't know how good of a career he had you know he played for a long time and then he just is more well known as a coach so we're gonna throw it over to him right now dave tippett everyone guys we're gonna take a minute talk about pinned golf pin golf the range finders they got the caddy which is the tablet i had the range finder going the american flag range finder all 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traveling or just feeling the heat work hard and hydrate hard with body armor flash ivy grab it at a 7-eleven today it's a pleasure now to be joined by a man who played over 700 nhl games won an i-20 and won a gold medal in the world of golf and won a gold medal in the world of golf and won an i-20 and won a gold medal in the world of golf and won a gold medal in the world of golf championship as a coach one of jack adams as a coach in the nhl and i guess most importantly coach the two doofuses that i'm on this podcast with dave tippett what's going on tip hey not much guys just uh living the good life right now a little retirement and playing lots of golf and that's about it i know you came on you said i got no more alarm clocks i'm retired which is what a what a nice thought that is where are you living now uh actually our main house is in flagstaff arizona but then uh we just bought another we were in scottsdale for a long time and then uh retirement took me away from the hustle and bustle and i built the house up in flagstaff but now we decided uh we just bought another one in scottsdale so i'm in scottsdale right now just kind of taking care of things but uh yeah most of the time at flagstaff where it's a little cooler you look great tip i mean you look you look younger now than you did when you were coaching no mustache full beard uh you know what biz i don't have guys like you and yancey i gotta worry about all the time now my biggest worry is the 16 year old grandson now so that's a lot easier than you guys i think we could do a whole podcast on times that i got called in for my my dumb tweets and and all the the shenanigans that's all i want to hear about i think i played for every coach forever and i'm just like what was it like coaching biz tip never coached him it was more dave king just bag skating him tip tip was coaching the real players You know what? I think that was good for your business. oh he he taught you a lot of stuff there like he was he's a master but yeah hey uh you know what i tell you i it was just i don't know if you were tweeting when you got to arizona biz but just after you started and it got to somebody kept telling me this biz is tweeting this stuff and i didn't know what a tweet is or i've still never been on a tweet or i've never had any kind of social media but but so these the remember rich and aaron are our media guy says tip you got to watch what biz is putting on this tweet stuff so i so he's bringing these in and showing me in the morning and i'm just laughing my ass off you know and and then there was a couple times it went over the line oh you think so he brought it down me he goes he goes tip i don't know we might have to talk to biz about this a little bit you know so i said well just bring me show me his tweets every morning when you come in my office just show me that what he's doing and and i would just laugh but then but then there was a few nights like the night in winnipeg biz oh you would not that was the maddest i've ever seen you not well until the raffy torres halloween costume tweet yeah that was a good one the one you know the guy that was more scared than i was at that the winnipeg one was uh bronco or our uh travel guy oh you that's right because they called him over what it was a ten dollar bottle of water and they were kicking our whole team out of the hotel because biz tweeted what is this ten dollar water wait they actually i don't know they actually or they tried to boot you guys or they did i had to go back with my tail between my legs yeah no we had to we well put it this way there's nowhere else to stay in winnipeg so there's nowhere else to go but but yeah that was uh that was one i was just getting ready you know my dad lived in winnipeg i was just getting ready to go to dinner and all sudden bronco tweets or calls me and says we got an issue tip they're kicking us out of the hotel oh and mind mind you there's 9 000 free waters in the uh in the meal room downstairs brought up just a fucking loser rookie idiot healthy scratch almost cost we lost that game too i'm like oh i wanted to crawl under under under the bus under the plane i didn't want to come on come on top did you play did you play that game no no no no no he was gonna we we hit him under the bus he wasn't crawling we hit him we told him we had to tell him he was asleep we told the hotel biz is sleeping on the bus tonight everybody else is staying in the hotel so i i don't know if you knew about like the fact that they wanted to kick us off until like after pre-game skate because we had pre-game skate and you seemed like you were in a pretty jolly mood and then i remember i started a bags game with jimmy playfair and then you skated over to him and you said something and i could tell there was no no no more buddy buddy between me and jimmy playfair and i'm like this like this bag skate seems way more aggressive than normal and as soon as it was done i was like stretching my groin like and he's like taps you on the shin pad he goes hey tip wants to see you in his office no my wheels are spinning i'm like what like what did i do like what did i do i couldn't i didn't remember that the tweet that i sent about the water so i get in and tips pacing back and forth i walk to the coach's office and he points at his computer screen and i see the little fiji water bottle and i'm like no no he goes get your gear off go back to the fairmont and apologize to the manager so we can fucking get pre-game naps for this 10 year old this is the they were holding back they were holding back the chicken breast for the rest of the team everybody was lined up at timmy's underneath on the in the walkway the underground tunnel just to get some food before the game oh that was brutal wait so tip so that year was when you guys grabbed biz off waivers from pittsburgh and camp right biz training camp no this was a few years after that but no but i'm okay so the year biz got there right yeah it was training campish did you were you part of the decision to take him on waivers with don maloney just saying hey we just grabbed this guy yeah we talked to him we talked about it but you know what we uh he was you were kind of stuck in between forward and defense and i think pittsburgh had played you a few games on forward and we were looking for somebody for a little grit and uh don asked me about it and and uh biz showed up and i think it was a really good match for both of us because we needed him we needed his energy and and uh he needed a change to get some ice time worked out good just never got the ice time helicopter cocks in the locker room a tip well i tell you what biz there was a lot of days at and not just people in our organization but i used to have friends you know where i lived and you were everybody's favorite player because somehow somehow everybody was getting on twitter and between twitter and your radio shows some of the stuff that was coming on i would have people tell me that they just sat in their car and laughed at this what was going on so say hey we were trying we were trying to get fans all over the place biz it was a it was a good organizational pluck because we got we got entertainment and hockey player yeah not much game action but you got it all all the other shit we had we had some good times oh it was unbelievable like those teams like let's shift the focus over to yans like i mean like like you probably had had been you'd seen him play because you were in dallas before you got to phoenix but i mean just like that the the laughs that he would bring the locker room and i don't know if you know that he can do an unbelievable dave tippett impression well you know what i'm not gonna do that right now well we got dave tippett on the line here busy tell him the chip story i don't know if he knows it it was right before trade deadline and kyle chip char i believe we were in winnipeg at the time and i called him on the hotel phone pretending i was you and i'm like hey chip it's tip uh gonna need you to come down to room 607 i'm gonna have a chat with you about uh this deadline coming up and he comes down and i'm looking at him through the peephole he's like almost crying and i open it up i'm like i got you fucker i didn't know that story that's a good one yeah oh you got the other funny yan stories well you know what yans was yans was like um i knew him a little bit like you say from dallas but i got there and everybody loved yans like he was everybody's friend but he was like he was like a young bull on the ice he's just running all over the place right so as yan started to mature a little bit and yans was kind of alfie was the first d coach i had with me there and and he was kind of in and out and and yans how old were you then yans it was your you know your second or third year in the league going something like that 2021 and his play was a little erratic and alfie would play a little more sometimes and a little less sometimes and i think it was the second year when jimmy playfair came and we had a bunch of injuries and jimmy played i think it was almost 35 minutes one night and you were unbelievable and that just stayed like that the rest of the time you were in phoenix it just crazy how that works it went from 15 minutes to 30 minutes and uh i think you're a top three the scoring there a couple years for yeah so it was uh that was a that was a nice surprise right there that you just went from from an erratic kid to a 30 minute minute muncher and getting lots of points and we had good teams there like we had good teams we had good guys around you like oh derek morris was a great guy around your oki uh jovo was there for a year i mean we had we had some really good people around but uh and z was there i mean it's uh those were those teams were really good teams and i think it's i think were the epitome of what a team should be like we had so much fun we everybody liked each other there was nobody like there was little niches here and there like with the year we had or uh yeah um um briz and goal like he was kind of on his own planet he was on his own planet but he was still like he was a big part of our team oh you know not just because he was a good goalie because he was the planet he was on he was on his own planet he was on his own planet he was on his step in for the games and he'd play oh he was unreal and we worked with him like he was one of the only guys that remember we were we were uh practicing out in uh glendale and then we didn't want to go out there for morning skate it was too far to go so but briz always wanted to have morning skate so him and berkey would go out there alone and then in most days i would give briz the day off the day before because he was playing so much it was a weird circumstance that we would be looking for a goalie for a practice you know the day before but i tell you what briz was get in there and he'd stand on his head for us and uh it worked for us you know so uh we had everybody had their little niche on the team it was it was it was a good group a really good group tip i'll never forget the uh the old bull and the young bull story that you told me it's basically what you said and i don't know if you can tell that story what of this of the young bull and the old bull wow we were that was when you were kind of like you were kind of like you know because you were a guy that you wanted to do everything you wanted to just get that puck behind your nets get as far as you can and uh and see what happened and sometimes that worked and sometimes it didn't and and briz would briz would get yans what are you doing yeah that bowed on me so i remember i was in this i think you were sitting in your stall one day it might have something might have happened the night before or whatever and we sat down and i'm sure a lot of people know about the old bull and young bull and i was telling you you got to turn into the old bull now because young bull you see all the cows down there and you just want to run down and fuck one of those cows and then the old bull you walk down and fuck them all so so that was the day that yans turned into an old bull right there it really hit home he just starts doing c cuts instead of taking strides up the ice yeah he just he was he was lindstrom he just dump it off and watch everybody go up the ice and yeah back there with a smile on his face you know started playing in a rocking chair oh my god hey speaking of bag skates though and alfie would would bag you pretty hard though you're like first year or two yans when you were there like you were kind of in and out of the lineup to some degree yeah alfie was nasty to me but i i needed it i needed it all um but yeah he was i mean remember alfie he was still in unbelievable shape like he'd do the skates with me i mean his knees barely worked but like he would he'd be out there doing the skates with me but we'd go like probably 30 minutes after practice just me and him bag skating straight bag no pucks straight bag no pucks yeah and jimmy playfair was bad with me too but i i ended up loving jimmy me and him we butted heads in the beginning and then uh we ended up loving each other tip like you were you guys had some really good teams in dallas like that your second last year detroit you lost detroit conference finals they were incredible and then you missed the playoffs and and you move on to phoenix did you and all they hadn't made the playoffs in years and all of a sudden you're like oh my god i'm not years and all of a sudden you get there and you're in three years in a row like what did you know about phoenix or that team when you went there well it was it was kind of a weird situation because the phoenix was they were caught up in that bankruptcy you know and uh i got let go they changed general manager and everybody in dallas and so i got let go i had a couple years of my contract and um don maloney called me and said look at this is the situation we're in would you ever look at coming out here and i kind of looked at their team you know the one thing they had i love you know a donor obviously great leader they had some parts there that said you know they're a better team than they're showing and so i ended up actually i didn't even get there in training camp because there was a there was a bunch of uh stuff going on with the ownership thing and i wanted to make sure the two years left of my contract was was you know i still got that and that wasn't going to be tied up in the bankruptcy and everything so it was kind of a pain in the ass to start with but i was able to get there and i was able to get there and i was able to get there and i was able to get there and i was able to get there with now a funny story about that start because i i hired dave king to come along with me and uh so i couldn't in russia right yeah i'd been in russia and i had king here in both the olympics i played in and uh we were good friends he's he's like a mad scientist coach right he's just he's one of the most knowledgeable guys in the world and in you know structure of hockey but so i wanted to bring him in and uh but he went there about a week early i couldn't i couldn't get in they wouldn't let me come to the team until all this legal stuff was done so and alfie and i played together for a long time in hertford and pittsburgh so alfie was still there he was running camp i was talking to alfie as camp was going on and he was running all the stuff and and so kanger came in there was about a week before and i think you guys i think it was an exhibition game up in glenn's falls or spokane spokane or somewhere yeah or everett i think it might have and kanger called or alfie calls me he says kanger got here they just took him out on a stretch and i said what he goes we were just sitting in the office and he and all of a sudden he just tipped over and was down and i guess he was dehydrated or something i had i don't know but i left i said alfie what is going on he goes i don't know i think kanger's dead i was in i was in the room and pd the video guy funny as hell and he just kept yelling kanger's dead kanger's dead yeah he was alive and well but but then we got there and uh and you know what it was just it was such a fun place to be around we had all the guys were i think the whole bankruptcy thing is galvanized things and and we just had so much fun i i laugh now i look back i remember gary betman called me and i was like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i said thanks tip for you know coming in there because the the league basically owned the team and uh and you know i was saying you know it'll be i think things will be resolved in like two weeks or a month things will be resolved we were still like five years later yeah exactly and then we got owners in it and the league treated us so well but the owners came in and kind of changed the whole dynamic of it so it changed a lot then but we had it was those were the some of the funnest years of my coaching career and i was like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry those first three because we had we were under you know we're overachieving all the time having fun teams would always say oh we should beat that team but we'd always walk out but you didn't you know so we we had we had a good group really good group the ultimate first year you guys won 50 games that year that's yeah yeah that's a season right there and then the year we went to the conference finals we won our division and i don't think that it happened since like the ronick um and and kachuk era yeah yeah are we in and then then briz took off i think after year one briz left because he signed that big deal in philly and then i think that you had had mike smith in dallas yeah yeah so i i i really felt that you and don maloney worked so well together to get guys at great value and then like essentially resurrect their careers like mike smith came in and i think did he win the vesna that year or was he like second voting i think he was in the voting there yeah smitty was a good guy one of the hardest days i had was when i was in the voting i was in the voting and i was ever had at Dallas was uh we traded Schmitty Schmitty and um Jeff Halpern I think to Tampa and and I like Schmitty a lot I remember the first day I walked into to we drafted Schmitty and he walked in long hair and he's he just looks like an athlete but he was just a raw like 18 or 19 year old kid I just looked at I remember I looked at Doug Armstrong and said who the hell is this you know that Schmitty he's the goalie right but but uh he I tell you what he's still one of my favorite players all time I'm probably one of the best athletes I think I've ever coached he he is an athlete but you know what I had him in Dallas and where he started and then we got him in Phoenix and then I took him I convinced Kenny Holland to bring him up to Edmonton too where he was really good so he's uh he's one of my favorites that one but he he opted a lot to he fit in well with our group there yeah and he was so good at playing the puck and obviously you had Marty Turco who was really good at playing the puck too and I'll never forget you said Jens he might cost you a couple minuses every year but like you're not going to get hit nearly as much because of how good he was at playing the puck and we were never in our own end because of that no exactly I remember I'll tell you a funny story about Dallas is we had Sergei Zubov who was an unbelievable player right and and smart defensive and moved the puck unbelievable and I remember there was we had I forget who our backup goalie was I think it was Ron Tugnut and we had Turk who I like to play all the time and the D loved him you know they he just moved the puck so much but when we put uh Tugnut in Tugnut couldn't move the puck very well and Zuby it was like he didn't want to play like he didn't want to go up and Zuby says dip I I don't know I I get hit too much like this you know so uh but when I I know it uh yeah he was he was first guy off the ice after a game and it brought me back to my first years as in the NHL I remember the first day I walked into the NHL dressing room they had a snow no smoking in the dressing room sign on I thought holy crow these guys smoke you know but but Zuby Zuby would be the first guy off he'd have a smoke in the in the shower before anybody else got there yeah maybe smoking like on the in the road or even at home at home too yeah he'd be he'd be he'd sneak in there as quick as he could he'd have a smoke and he'd be out before anybody else got in there but but anyway he he uh Schmidty's puck moving you know Turk helped him a ton Schmidty was a great athlete too but then when he got to our team in Phoenix it changed the whole way we played back there because we had good defensemen but but we played way less than our zone and now and then like you say he'd give up one but uh uh he'd save a lot more than he ever give up oh yeah it's kind of crazy that biz and Keith have both told me a bunch about Sean Burke as the goalie coach oh yeah I mean how many different goalies has he just like completely not fixed but just changed their careers because like Devin Dubnik went to you guys then he became incredible Mike Smith he's done in a lot of places so had you known him prior yeah we played in the Olympics together in 92. he was our goalie and I was playing for Washington and Washington that's when pros could could play it wasn't uh it wasn't like stopping the league or anything but Washington let me go and play in the in the Olympics I played for Dave King in 84 before I started it was the 84 Olympics in Jerry Abel, and then I signed with Hartford. But I was with Sauer going to the Olympics and we lost in the bronze medal game to Sweden. We were all a bunch of kids. And then Kinger asked me if there was any chance that Washington would let you go because I was getting long in my career there. And David Poyle let me go and Berkey was our goalie. So we had a good team. We had Lindros and Joey Juno and pretty good team. And we ended up losing to Russia in the gold medal game. So I got a silver, but Schmidty, or I mean, uh, Berkey was our goal and he was unbelievable, unbelievable. And then, you know what? He, he had great success with the big goaltenders because Berkey went through it in his career where he had to change a little bit. And I think his thing was to go a little deeper in the net and, and use his size. So all those guys that came through, he, he really kind of put his stamp on them, how he changed his career. And, and like you say, he, he helped a lot of guys, like he made a lot of guys, a lot of money just by, just by, you know, getting their career back going again. I'd love to talk about your playing career and you just brought it up. It kind of answered my question. Cause I saw you played in that Olympics in 92, but you were in the NHL. So that guys were going from the NHL then was that common? Yeah, they had, there was, well, it was the first time that they were letting pros play and North American pros, you know? So, uh. There was, there was probably a handful. There was Kurt Giles and Dave Hanna, myself. Uh, and there was some guys like Eric Lindros was a young guy coming in. Joey Juno was a young guy. Berkey was in that too. Like Berkey was looking for a job. He had left to, uh, go play with the Canadian national team. So he was, was he holding out with Hartford or something? I forget what it was, but he wasn't playing in the league. He might've been in a contract dispute somewhere and, and he knew Kinger from before too. So it was, uh. You know what, uh, Kinger asked me at the start of the year, would you ever talk to David Poyle about it? So I had, I talked to David Poyle and he said, well, let's visit it, uh, as the year goes on. And we had a good team in Washington. We were, we were well in the playoffs, um, by, uh, um, February when we had to leave or whatever. And I remember David Poyle, I went in, it was about a week before team Canada left to go to the Olympics and Kinger phoned me and said, do you want to talk to Poyle? I said, well. And I went in and talked to him. David said, no, I don't think, you know, things are going good right now. I was playing on a line with Dale Hunter and Dino Cicerelli and I, I was, um, you know, having a pretty good year. And then the day before they were supposed to leave, uh, Poyle called me at seven o'clock in the morning. And when the general manager calls you at seven in the morning, that's not usually a good thing. No, no. Unless it's Keith being the general manager. Yeah. Yeah. And he said, tip. We decided, you know, we've got some young players. We're solid in, uh, in the playoffs here. If you want to go, go. And I called Kinger and Kinger, uh, said, we just put our list in, uh, let me see what I can do. So he called me back about half an hour later. He goes, yeah, you're in if you want. And so I was living in, uh, where was the, just outside of Washington there in Annapolis. I, that afternoon I got on a plane. I flew to Iceland. I stayed the night in Iceland, blew into Sweden the next morning and we played, I played the final game of, uh, the globe and cup. And then we went straight to the Olympics and I, I played in the Olympics for 10 games. Uh, and I got back, I cracked a rib, but I was still playing and they were freezing it up. I got back to Washington and I didn't play for two weeks. They wouldn't let me play. So I missed about a month. I told Poyle, I said, you don't have to pay me. And he paid me anyway. So it was, it was a good experience all the way around. That's unreal. That must've been so much different from your first Olympics to being a young guy. And you were the older guy with all those young guys. That must've been a cool experience. Is that kind of where you figured maybe you'd be a coach one day? Yeah. I mean, I, I don't know. It just, I was lucky. The coaches I had, like the junior coach I had was Terry Simpson who coached in the Islanders and Philly a little bit different guys. Like he, he was a real rugged guy, right? Like you. We had tough teams and, and, you know, hard coach, but in shooting, when you're a junior player, you need that. And then, uh, Gino Gasparini in college, we won a championship and then Kinger, who was really a, you know, a top, top tactician guy. And, and, uh, you know, so I, I don't know. I had good coaches along the way, but I kind of just, you know, do you finish the, you finish playing, you don't want to play anymore and you just, what are you going to do? And I wanted to stay around the game. And the year that I actually was gonna quit, I, uh, I'd played in Philadelphia and there was going to be a lockout the next year. I had two young kids and so I ended up going to Houston and I was going to be assistant coach with Houston and they were an expansion team. And so they were having trouble finding players. So Pete Dineen was the GM. He said, would you play? So I was, I was going from the NHL and I went to Houston assistant coach. In Houston, I was going to make 35 grand. And they said, if you play in coach, we'll give you a 75 grand. So I said, I, and I said, you know what, here's what we're going to do. Then all the things they never, ever let me do in the NHL, like our play and all that fun stuff. I'm doing it all right. I took shootouts. I played point on the power play. I did. I, yeah, I did. I did. I think I had 66 points. Yeah. You showed up points. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, we weren't a very good team. We were an expansion team, but I had a lot of fun. And the next year I remember I went to, uh, you know, how the guys are skating before camp and I was thinking I was going to play one more year and I'm skating with everybody down in Houston and about two or three days before camp started, I was skating and we'd bagged each other out there and I just, I came in the dressing room, I was sitting in the, on the bench. I took my equipment off. I put it in the bag. And I picked up my bag and walked out of the rink. And I remember Steve Sumner, the trainers looked at me, he goes, tip, why are you taking your equipment? And he goes, I'll, I'll talk to you tomorrow. And I went home. I put the equipment in the garage. I told my wife, I'm not playing anymore. I'm going to go in the office tomorrow and say, Hey, if you don't want me here, I'm not playing anymore. I'd like to coach, but I'm not playing anymore. And, uh, you let me know. And they, they said, all right, you can be assistant coach. And, and I probably went down to 35. Grand again. But at that, at that point, my body was just like, I'm not doing this anymore. And that was one bag, Steve, too many. And that's when I quit playing. Wow. So no, not one of those, like, oh, I wish I was still playing regrets. You just knew. Is that, no, I just said, I'm not doing this anymore. And, uh, um, started coaching. And then that, that year I was just assistant coach and they fired the, the coach halfway through and I took over the team. And then I was head coach for two years and I was general manager. I was head coach for, uh, for two years and then my fifth year, we won the, we won the Turner cup. So it was that, that, you know, I talk about that was one of the best experiences. I would recommend that to any coach that like started in the minor as an assistant coach, head coach, and then you even dealing with contracts and stuff like that and travel. I remember I left there and went to Los Angeles as an assistant coach and the first meeting I was sitting in. I'm up with Kings. Dave Taylor was the GM. I remember everybody introducing themselves around the room and I just sat there. I said, I did that job, that job, that job, that job, right. It was the best experience, uh, to, to give me experience, to, to move up in the coaching ranks that I could ever had. Now that was fun time, especially when you win, it doesn't matter if it's minors or whatever. We had a great, you know, a fun group and, uh, and we won and that's, uh, I look back at that. That was, that was a key for me and to trying to, you know, move on to an NHL, NHL coaching before we get back to your playing days. Was it intimidating going from being an assistant in LA to all of a sudden you're coaching in Dallas where they'd kind of been, what just won a cup like two, three years prior. So all of a sudden your head coach of like Madonna, you mentioned Zubov, like what was it like your first year as NHL head coach? I'd been coaching enough. Yeah. All comfortable. You know, you get behind the bench and you, at least you feel like, you know what the hell you're doing, you know, a little bit, but it is intimidating. You know, when you get to the NHL and especially expectations were high, like Doug Armstrong is a, he's a great general manager, but his, they had high, high expectations. So it's, uh, it was kind of interesting, you know, um, jumping in there, but had good people. Like I knew Madonna from before my brother actually coached Madonna in, uh, in junior. So I knew Madonna. I knew Madonna from before, uh, my trainer from Houston was actually the equipment manager there. So I was comfortable with the people that was there. Rick Wilson, the assistant coach was actually my coach in junior from a same hometown Prince Albert, Saskatchewan. So I was comfortable with the coaching staff there. It was, uh, it was, uh, I had a couple other opportunities and Dallas was the one that I thought was the best fit. So it, uh, it made the transition easier. You're from Prince Albert. It says, uh, uh, Mu. I was born in Muslim and little, little town in Southern Saskatchewan, but moved away from there you'll like this i was musiman and then regina and then prince albert beautiful how did you how did north dakota find you or you find north dakota like and and i mean we've talked to a lot of guys that played college back when it wasn't that common for canadians and a lot of them were at north dakota it seemed yeah my brother had left it like the the there's a few teams the college teams were did a lot of scouting in the tier two junior leagues in canada and north dakota took a lot of players from uh from out west there my brother ended up going to michigan actually he played four years at michigan so there was kind of uh that template was he was an older brother so he'd been down there a couple years you know what i was a small i had a chance to play major junior and i didn't didn't take it and i was a smaller guy played tier two junior and um you know i had some some colleges kind of looking at me and finally north dakota jumped out and uh they were the they had just won the national championship i think year before two years before their facilities their coaching everything was just top notch so um you know went there our freshman year there was six freshmen that played on that team and we won the national championship our my freshman year all six fresh all six freshmen played in the nhl there was uh james patrick dave donnelly gorge sherbin and myself we only played two years and then we went to the olympics uh rick zombo and then uh jim archibald all six guys played in the nhl but we wanted this team had craig lugwig too did he have those shin pads then oh yeah lutz lutz was lutz was he had those we had craig ludwig we had troy murray uh phil sykes i think there were 16 guys on that team that played pro not all in the nhl but college team played pro so it was uh yeah that was i needed that and you know when when you come from junior that's back in i mean you're looking at early 80s we weren't even lifting weights then i mean you i played soccer in the summer to stay in shape not lift weight and you get to college you play two games a week and i needed it i was a small guy that i was playing 150 pounds and you go and you work out all week and then you play two games in the weekend that was exactly right place at the right time being that small coming up like when you were in college was their hopes that you were going to play in the nhl or was it kind of like i'm gonna take this as far as i can no you know my last year junior uh playing in prince albert we won the centennial championship the canadian championship and terry simpson was our coach and we had five guys drafted off our team that year uh james patrick was ninth overall off a tier two team and i remember terry came to me and said tip there's some teams out there they're maybe talking about drafting you and i said oh that'd be great he said do you have an agent i said i have no agent i have nothing right so i said i'm not i'm not sure what's going to happen and so i didn't get drafted i was undrafted and then went to north dakota and there was a guy named dave mcnabb it was a scout for hartford and he came up to me one day in north dakota and introduced himself and uh to this day i probably owe him a huge thanks because he was one of the guys that was really kind of behind me to say hey we're watching you keep going you know do your thing and then i ended up being captain of uh the canadian olympic team after two years emile francis was the gm in uh in hartford he came to see me with dave mcnabb one time and uh as soon as the olympics were over i side with hartford went straight there so i got uh had one one scout that liked me and didn't you know i was getting a little bigger thought maybe there was some potential and then i was i was so scared i got to the nhl and back then if you ever got hurt you're a kid you'd never want to get out of the lineup i played my first 417 games straight without missing one not quite as good as not quite as good as you yans yours was a little ahead of that but i played 417 games straight and uh and never missed a game i was scared in hell to get out of the lineup i think i'd never get back in defense defensive center that's what you were like a third line defensive center you you were telling me that you were sometimes responsible for shutting down cam neely and back then you would just basically i was i was a winger ski yeah that's exactly he'd elbow me in the head going down the ice and i'd have my stick wrapped around but yeah i was center i was center all the way and then i got to hartford they had a guy named mike zook when my first year was a defensive center and then they traded for doug jarvis who was my centerman for for about three or four years so i've i switched out the wing but a lot of those big guys i used to i used to get and and uh it was it was no fun they just beat the shit out of me but i still try to do my job but i'll tell you a funny story about that with and you guys know wayne i know wayne well now too but the first time i went into edmonton uh our coach is jack evans and there was you know edmonton's lineup was written on the blackboard and jack took my number and circled it and said you got 99 tonight and i go oh my god i'm not going to go oh shit this is my 10th game in the league you know and uh and uh so i'm out there first shift i'm out there i'm following gretz around and i'm just like he's going places i'm going like what the hell is he doing over here there's nobody here you know and it was about a minute into the shift and he took a stick and we were both skating up there and he kind of stuck it in front of my skate and i tripped over and they called him for tripping and their bench exploded right i'm skating back to the bench i got some make just screaming at me don't go near him again i'm 10 games in i'm going i just tripped wayne gretzky and now this team is going to kill me you know so it was um that was my job for a long time to chase people around and stay with people and what was the stat line that night you know what i i ended up even he got a point on the power play but not uh i didn't i didn't uh he didn't get anything he probably was so like this little guy chasing me around i'll just do it you're like too much aggravation for tonight you know it's six points the next night yeah but i just got through that i uh dave king had hatched a plan from the olympics that year pat lafontaine was on the u.s team and we had hatched a plan that i was going to shadow lafontaine all night and uh and we did it we were in germany for two games before the olympics and we were in germany for two games before the olympics and there was this guy named eric kunakl who was their big star in germany so we played two exhibition games and i did it to this kunakl guy and he was like six four he was like a legend in germany and i remember him looking at me like what are you doing i'm following him around the ice you know because kinger and i we were trying this you know this is what we're going to try on lafontaine there was the first game of the of the olympics and kinger said just go follow him around and this kunakl guy's looking at me going you're an idiot like why are you following me around all over the place and i couldn't tell him i don't know if he could speak english or not i couldn't tell him hey we're getting ready for the olympics here but we went in that we ended up beating u.s and lafontaine didn't get anything that first game and uh and that was the game we needed to win if we were going to win our pool and in the olympics but that's that's where that came from kinger had me chasing people around is that the first you'd ever heard of shadowing like was that the like when you told you that yeah like that like he you know i had different parameters he would give me you you stay above the top of the circles in the offensive zone you find him wherever he is you find him and as soon as he got above the top of the circles you got him all the way all the way and just follow him around the around the end zone and we did it for two games in germany so the d knew that they weren't going to get help you know like the from the centerman being in the middle and he just i stayed with them all over the ice all over the ice above the top of the circles in in his end yeah you know who was his teammate in hartford yans is uh johnny anderson oh yeah we had he had him as an assistant yeah he was an assistant coach he was the best riding his bike to work yeah johnny johnny is a beauty oh he was he coached in atlanta right yeah yeah yeah he'd come back in the back of the plane sneak some wine then go back up front it was i loved johnny yeah johnny i played with johnny in hartford too you know funny story about that when he got traded to hartford so he was in in quebec and they were we were playing quebec and after the morning skate johnny got traded to us and we traded dave babbage to not dave but wayne babbage to them so johnny i think he morning skated with quebec in our rink and showed up for the game and played for us yeah yeah that that's old time hockey right there isn't it save some money on travel yeah johnny was great though yans you'll remember this remember the game that we won uh it was game six in chicago i think that was uh oh yeah that was that that closed it out the first period chicago was out shooting us like 25 to 3 or something like that and johnny walks down the bench to me he goes tip i just thought i'd bring it to your attention we're getting out shot 25 to 3 i said johnny i'm well aware of that it's called the rope He said, come on, Schmitty, keep going. Schmitty's getting IVs in between periods. You'd have to get them after every game. Oh, that was the series where I played one second the one game. Oh, yeah. You don't remember that? I don't remember it. My tie down? Oh, you know what? Yeah. You played one second and got thrown. And you know what? That was when Rafi, because they were going to come out and they said they were going to kill everybody when Rafi got suspended. Yeah. Rafi, the Chicago media didn't like me after that one. When I went after the game, they asked how, what I thought of the hit. I said, well, there used to be a game called Frogger, you know, when a guy goes out and he gets in traffic and then he goes the wrong way and it just doesn't turn out well for him. I said, Rafi, this host, it was just going the wrong way. And they didn't like that. They didn't like that very much. Oh, man. I'm looking at the roster of your first year. Another guy I got to ask about. Because he was so good to me and we're so close with his son, Ryan. But Greg Malone, was he beautiful in the locker room? Big Bugsy. They called him Bugsy too? He was the OG Bugsy. Yeah. Bugsy was a great guy. Great guy. In fact, that's back. We used to have different roommates every road trip. I don't know, Jack Evans, this is when you're flying commercial and you had roommates all the time. I remember the first time I walked in with Bugsy. He goes, Tip, the only rules are, there are no rules and there is no curfew. And he ripped the phone right out of the wall. Yeah. Oh, so he's just like his son. I get it. I get it now. Oh, my God. So he didn't get it from his mom. And he was always smiling too, just like Ryan. Both Bugsies. Bugsy played on a line with Bobby Crawford and Tori Robertson. And they were the funniest guys. Like they would come to the. Bench and they'd argue and then they would hit each other and they, it was just hilarious to watch them. They were like our third line and just hilarious to watch them, but they were always so happy for each other. When one of them scored, it was just like, uh, Bugsy was like a glue guy on a team. He was, he was a great guy. Great guy. And what was Q like as a player? Like, what was he like being around when he was playing? Was he always about the horses even when he was playing? Yeah, he was, he was, uh, that was. He liked the horses. I, I, he used to call it a move called the lizard and it was, he would, I used to call him slow mo Joe, right? Like he, he wore these big Lang skates and was slow and he'd, a guy would go around him on the outside and then he'd just take a stick and he'd stick it in his arm somehow. And he'd just flick his stick or flip his arm and the guy would lose the puck. Like the guy looks like he's around him and then he'd just give him the can opener can opener. And. Yeah. He'd lose the puck. Uh, Joe would laugh at guys like, uh, it's like he's letting them skate by him just so he can do the can opener on them. You know, he probably couldn't play now. I mean, obviously that's, that's, that's suspension almost now, but yeah, Joe was, we had good teams back, you know, it's kind of an underachieving team, but the mid eighties teams in Hartford were good teams. We got Mike Leud as a goalie was a really good goalie. And then the rest of it was just a bunch of kind of journeymen other than Ronnie Francis and, uh. And, um, we had good teams there, real good teams. Joel was a good, solid player. Was he one of those guys you could tell was going to be a coach as well? Yeah. I mean, yeah, it was always a smart player and then, but right after he retired, he went into the stockbroker business and he was a broker. So I thought he was going to get away from it. And then yeah, yeah, he was a stockbroker for, uh, we had this guy that used to help a lot of guys in the team and that guy kind of took him under his wing and, uh, uh, so he was in the stock. Business for a while. And then, uh, decided, I think, uh, Mark Crawford was a friend of his from somewhere and took him up to, uh, Toronto's farm team up in, might've been, uh, Newfoundland up there or whatever, the rock. So he went up, up there for a few years and then went to Colorado with Crawford, I think, and won a cup there. And that's the rest is history from him. Damn. He, so he got one as an assistant too. Yeah. Yeah. He got three, three as a coach, a head coach and one as assistant. Yeah. Pretty wild here. So like John Anderson ended up being a head coach in the NHL. You, uh, Dean Everson was on, on one of your teams. Alfie. Yeah. Alfie. Who did he, I don't know if he was ended up being a head coach, but still, but Kevin, Kevin Dineen, Kevin Dineen, like so many guys. Yeah. There was, there's, there's been a couple of people write stories about how many players off those, those mid 80 teams that have all went on to coach. And then Ray Ferraro was another guy who, who ended up going into the media world, but was he always a chat chatterbox in the room about it all? Like, did you see that coming? Oh, without a doubt, biz. He, uh, well, I think, you know, normally guys would get initiated once when they get in. I think, I think Ray might've got three that year. Just, just like that. I came in hot essentially. Yeah. He, he was a real heralded guy. I think he, the year before he got drafted, he scored 108 goals or something like that in the Western league. And, uh, he came in, he. He was, uh, he wanted to score, like he would do anything to score and, and, you know, he, uh, he liked to talk and score and, you know, he, he did a lot of both of it. So good for him. Yeah. Very successful at both. Yeah. Yeah. Finished with 408 NHL goals. Yeah. Yeah. He could score 41 goal year in Hartford. Yeah. The thing I, I think about here, like he wasn't a very big guy, but he would take punishment to score. You know, not so much punishments to check or back check, but the score, he would take the punishment to score. He loved to score, but Ray, Ray's a good guy. Really good guy. Yeah. He just talked a lot. So he's in the right, he's in the right profession. This picture of Dean Evanson, as I'm clicking on his profile, what a mullet he had back. He was on Washington then. Oh my God. This is unbelievable. Some of these guys' pictures. He was a hard-nosed player, you know, eh? Like he, he was rugged. I remember he fought. Doug Grisbell, three times in a game. Like they went to, they fought off at face-off, got out of the penalty box, fought again. Next face-off, fought again. Yeah. He was, he was a rugged little guy. He played hard. I feel bad not knowing much about Torrey Robinson, but 337 pimps, 358 pimps, 293. Like talk about a fucking animal, this guy. You know what? He was a great guy, but he was the only. kind of grit or tough guy we had and always had to stick up for everybody. Like we ended up going and getting, uh, Dave Semenko at the end of his career. We had Tiger Williams, but Torrey took the brunt of it early on and I give him a ton of credit because he, a lot like you Biz, like you weren't the biggest guy, but you knew what you had to do all the time. And he, like Torrey had to fight all the big guys and then back when you're, well, you know, Wetsy, you're playing in those divisions. Like we had Buffalo, Quebec, Boston, who was really tough, Boston and Montreal. And you know, you're dealing with Willie Plett and Nyland and O'Reilly and like you, those, those are back in hard, hard days. And Torrey was a young guy. He wasn't, he was maybe a six footer, but he was, he was game. He was a grappler, you know, but he had to fight all those tough guys. I give him credit. He broke his leg really bad in Montreal. And I think that kind of slowed him down a little bit after, but, but, uh, good guy. Do you still watch a ton of hockey? Like, I'm wondering what you think of the game now. I mean, we talk about the speed and the skill, but watching it's so different from when you played and even started coaching, right? Yeah, it is. So I still, I still do some consulting for Seattle. So I watch all their games. I talked to Lane Lambert probably a couple of times a week, just give him kind of what's called a, an unemotional view of what I think is going on. What I think happened in the game, you know, and not, not necessarily tactically, but just, you know, how the flow of the game went and everything. So I still, I do watch a lot of hockey. I think the game, the skill and the speed of the game is just, it's incredible. Now like that, that first period of the Canada U S game in the Olympics, I don't know. I don't know if there's ever been a first, like a hockey game that fast ever, ever those two tournaments within, you know, a year of the Olympics and then the four nations. Those, those two games with the Canada U S are, that's as good a hockey as there ever been played ever. I think it's just the, the, the talent, the speed, the, and I mean, coaching Connor for three years, it was, it's just out of this world, what he does even in practice and, and to see, to see players do those things at that speed is a, it's a credit to where the league's at. And, uh, uh, but the game, I don't think the game has ever been played better than it's being played right now. Okay. When it, when it, when it's at the highest levels, you know, the only other player that would probably compare to him that you played with her coach was you, you played a year in Pittsburgh with Mario Lemieux. I think it was the year after they won their cup. Yeah. And he had 160 points. Um, I was going to ask you about what it was like just playing with him for a year and experiencing that. And maybe what are the, the differences or similarities between coaching and coaching coaching Connor and playing with Mario Mew. Well, Mario was like that team. You look at the names on that team there. It was the Mew, Yager, Talkett, Stevens, Joey Mullen, Larry Murphy, Murphy, Ronnie Francis. I think there's six hall of famers there. I'll tell you one funny story about that team. So Scotty Bowman was our coach, right? And, and, uh, so our power play was Mario and Kevin Stevens was net front up front. And then there was a right winger and then Ronnie Francis and Larry Murphy played the point, but there was three players that always, uh, that had to pick for that one, uh, winger spot. And Scotty always wanted Yager to go. Cause he was a young guy and he loved Yager. And then we had Joey Mullen, who was a phenomenal player, was probably the best fit and scored 40 or 50 goals. And then we had talk who, when he didn't get on it, he'd get mattered and shit. So I'd be sitting, I was sitting, I was the fourth line penalty killer. I'd be sitting on the bench. I'd be watching Scotty, right? So Scotty would always want Yager to go and Yager would sometimes be pouting and he'd come off and be mad or whatever. And then Joey Mullen would be sitting there with a stick like this, not saying a word and talk. It was going to kill somebody if he didn't go. Right. And I remember Jay Caulfield and I, we used to kind of laugh at each other and try to bet which ones, which ones gets to go. Right. Cause the other guys are all staying on and they're doing their two minute gig out there. But then the other guy was, we always used to laugh how, how, you know, who got to go on the power play that time, but that was a phenomenal team. That was, I jumped over there for one year to try to win a cup. And, uh, we, we won the president's trophy that year. And then that was the year that Islanders beat us out in game seven of a second round. Yeah. Bolek in overtime, game seven, overtime. Mario was hurt. Like, it was kind of a weird series because Mario was, I think he missed a couple of games and there was two game or a game or two that he took warmup and then didn't play. So it was, it kind of felt weird there a little bit, but how about all the names you say? And then like Martin Strzok was 19 years old. He ended up being, but when I was in Pittsburgh, they would say, you know, cause when I rookie, it was all the same training staff still, they'd say that was the best team that they had. They won two in a row and that was actually the best team. And they, you know, that, that, that upset is, is nuts. That was when Kevin Stevens got hurt too. Yeah. That was the game, game seven. Oh, did he break his leg or face? Oh, face. Yeah. In midair by Rich Pilon and then landed on his face. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just that was, that's probably as worse injury as I've ever seen. Or like just being in that game, it just changed the whole complex of, of, uh, uh, the game. And yeah, and already, Kevin was a really good guy too. Like a really good guy. It was, that was painful. A lot of those guys that were real close to him on that team for a long time. The name you mentioned was that Jay Caulfield and everybody you talk to in those areas. I don't know much about him, but everyone just raves about him. Did see him now. He's still threaded. Is he? Yeah. Well, you know, I'll tell you. So I went to school with him. He was at North Dakota as a football player. When I was a hockey player there, he was, he was, he was going to be a, uh, first round draft pick, I think in the NFL and he hurt his neck. So the doctor told him he shouldn't play, shouldn't play football anymore. So we were about halfway through the year. And, uh, he's, uh, he asked the hockey coach, could I come out and practice with you guys? So we had, we had a really good team. That's the year we won, but we'd lost the game and the coach was mad at us. So he shows up on a day that we're getting bagged on a Monday. Right. And, and I remember bending over in the corner and I just said, big man, you picked the wrong day to start. But he's, have you ever heard his story? It's an amazing story. I didn't even know that. Yeah. So he was in North Dakota and he, he played a little bit of high school hockey in that when he was a kid. So he loved hockey and all of, there was a bunch of NHL guys that would skate at North Dakota in the summertime and teach hockey school. And he used to come back there and teach hockey school. And James Patrick was, uh, was, uh, picked ninth overall from the Rangers. One night during that summer, one of the Rangers scouts came to see, uh, uh, James and we used to play, you know, like, uh, summer hockey there. So they saw Jay playing. So he asked, who's this guy? And, uh, and the Rangers, I think the Rangers signed him right out of watching them play there. You're like, he's six, four, and he's, he's a monster. Like just, just. Unbelievable. But they signed him out of there and he ended up playing in New Haven. That's how his hockey career started. Never, never played junior or anything. I don't think he played a college game, maybe one game after I was gone, but, but one of the nicest people ever. In fact, my wife introduced him to his wife, Alicia, my wife and his wife were, uh, were roommates at college. And, um, and they're, they've got a bunch of kids now and they're, they're, uh, he's still doing the same thing in Pittsburgh. Just one of the nicest people you're ever going to meet. And yet he was, he was a tough guy. He, he would, he had to fight all the big boys. Yeah. One game at North Dakota. That's crazy. The one guy I was going to ask you about, uh, to finish off Pittsburgh was, uh, Tom Barrasso. I've heard some interesting stories about him. Just like, like very confident guy, very confident. And you know what? He was a good player when he, when he, it's like all goals, they do whatever you want. Just play good. You know, the one thing I remember I'd talk, he always hated people that wore jeans. He was, he, he always wore khakis. He'd walk in, he was well-dressed guy and always wore khakis. Kind of like Lundquist before Lundquist. I was a Western Canadian, you know, uh, Wranglers. Well, well, I mean, not like the, the tuxedo jean jacket, everything. So he looked at me like I was like, who are you? But, hey, I like, I like trucks and motorcycles and we were just from different worlds, you know? So, so, but I, I liked Tommy a lot. I got along fine with him when, when he stopped the puck. I'm, I was all on his side. Biz, he played public high school, wait, right? Didn't he play public high school at like acting in Boxborough and then in the NHL? Acting in Boxborough, fifth overall, directly into the NHL. Like public high school shit. Like not even like a. But then it was, it wasn't then. Then it was like legit. Back then. Not like, not fifth overall into the NHL the next year. Do you still ride your motorcycle? I remember you had like a custom Dallas stars one. Didn't, uh, didn't the famous motorcycle guy build it for you? No, no, I built my own. He built one for Medano, but I've got, I've got two of them that I built myself. Yeah, actually I built one in Dallas when there was a lockout year, I was looking for something to do. So I decided to build one. I've still got both of them, but I got a new hip about a year ago and I've got one half. I've got a new hip about a year ago and I've got one half. That doesn't work very good. So I'm, um, I don't ride them much. I like to play around and fix them and shine them up, but they're more art pieces than they are rideable, but I'll take them for a blast now. And then where did you learn to build motorcycles? You know what? I had one of my grandfathers who was a mechanic and the other one was a carpenter. So I built cars and I still have in my garage and, and, and Flagstaff, I have a 67 Mustang that I bought over 50 years ago for $300. It's all, all done up sitting there. Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, it's like, would you sell that someday or no? No, I've got a grandson. I got, I got four grandkids and they've all claimed it already. And, and, but my daughter, my youngest daughter has claimed it before them. So I, somebody is going to get it, but, but, uh, no, it's a, it's a keeper. That one, I bought it for $300 and I was 15 years old. And then, uh, three days after I got my license, I totaled it off. Got hit in an intersection with it. And I bought it back from the insurance company and I built it again. And then it sat in a barn in Canada for 25 years, sat there. And then my dad took it out of the barn and did a little work on it before he passed away. And then, uh, I've had it down in the States here, maybe 10 years now, but you saw my motorcycles, the best in you. I remember you showed me. Yeah. It's, it was funny. Cause you're Don Maloney was, was driving his motorcycle too. Helmet on the highway down. Remember he got a big cut and his, and his, he came, we, we all had Vespas. We'd come to the rink on Vespas and Donnie would come on his big Harley. And one day he showed up, he had a huge gash in his head and still no helmet. No, he hit the brakes, but he had like the big windshield, but his head hit the windshield and he had a huge gash in his face. Yeah. I don't, I, I haven't, uh, I don't wear a helmet either, but, uh, my, my riding days, I think are over now. We got to talk about Connor and coaching him a little bit, but, uh, before we get to him, we got, we got to talk a little bit more about Shane Doan. Um, was, was he the most level-headed captain you ever had? Yeah, he was, he was by far the best leader that I've ever seen. Like that, that was one of the things we talked about, you know, what happened when I got there and how, if, if he's not there to kind of control that dressing room, it's a whole different situation, you know? And he was, he was like, He was like a partner with me, you know, like he, he, we were on the same page on everything we were doing and and uh he just he's just a good player a really good player a great person a great captain a great friend i mean it's it's you don't see too many people that have all that in one one body and and the other thing i i like he was a meanie too like he could get me he would snap snap so when tip had this like what was it called the 10 point game yeah it was it was uh an efficiency number or something i forget some crazy stat that i they used to give guys like him to get to get engaged in the game and it was uh it was 10 points i think it was for you got one point for a shot on goal one for a hit uh uh one point for a uh point yeah and there was block shots and he had to try to get to 10 every game right well the one the one uh you know he would try to get i think he got to 24 one game or something it was in la and i called i think you might have this biz oh yeah i remember i was watching with bd yours was a two-point game popcorn and a hot dog you know what i for biz you know what i did i actually tried to make this a two-point game and i got a two-point game and i got a two-point game and i got a two-point you know what i did i actually tried to make this a two-point game and i got a two-point game so then i had the efficiency and i had the had the video guy do it so he you had an efficiency number for how many minutes you played so it made bit okay like even a biz played five or seven minutes he still had to get a hit or a shot on goal donor just would play 25 minutes so he could work chance i think you called donor out or said something and then we went into la and he must have had 12 hits yeah eight shots on that and then he was like oh my god i'm gonna get a shot on that i think he had three four points that night and the efficiency number was like you said like mid 20s maybe closer to 30 and chased brian boyle down the hallway remember how the la yeah la connected he chased him down the hallway wanting to kill him then he was mad at me because i knew brian boyle yeah oh so he was why no he made him delete his number out of his phone after the game you know what though what who's the guy from water boy uh bobby boucher that's it i remember i coming in i i called donor bobby boucher the next game i don't know if he liked that or not but i called him bobby boucher it was uh it was it was funny oh the other the other thing too was donor i think had had the nhl record for most two goal games um and never had never gotten a hat trick and then you put him out there with ray whitney what yans you were on the ice too right yep and he ended up second against the islanders slap shot over the blue line you know what if it was any other team they would have been mad i think but i think we were up by two goals or something and i left them out there for a long time right and everybody everybody in the stadium knew what he was going for i kind of felt bad because you're you're he's not mocking the other team but it was just everybody was so wanted donor to do it so bad and then when that goal remember yans it was down in our end with yeah like five seconds to go and everybody was kind of oh it's not going to happen and somehow donor gets a puck up there and he shoots it maybe a half a second left to go in the game i remember he was so tired he was trying to come off the ice and you were like no no no you're staying when he was celebrating you could just see how tired he was yeah yeah i think that was the coyotes winning a stanley cup yeah that one remember oh my god it's on youtube and he he's skating over the he's literally skating like this before he gets to the puck yeah that is hilarious but he stayed on the ice he must have been on there 15 minutes after the game yeah with a hat on he had a cowboy hat collecting all the hats and he had bag they brought all the bags the hats and put him in his locker after yeah that was it was huge huge thing for him it was literally at the buzzer you weren't you weren't getting this oh yeah that that moment and then closing out uh nashville in five games at home that was the whole uh uh was it radulov radulov and then the twins the two twins yeah yeah they were out right the night before and got set them up yeah hey yeah tell the truth biz buddy i knew all the bottle service girls at w obviously and they were saying that they were they're drinking and they didn't like their their drinks with ice and the waitress must have they must have got like a drink again and they they would like scoop it out and they would throw it on the ground say no ice no ice yeah you're not getting any ice tomorrow with the game either no yeah no more ice the rest of the series yeah yeah i forget who the uh who's the little announcer there works for espn panger so i think he he somehow he had heard that and all the stuff was going down somebody called me in the afternoon i said they said nashville's got an issue and radulov and the so i was we were waiting to see if he's going to play and then and then uh they played him radulov played that game but he was a dog and uh and uh that's we ended up i think that's that wasn't the deciding game i don't think was it but it gave us the leg up in the series we needed i think biz mentioned this but i gotta mention roback first last question here by roback uh go to roback.com for 20 off your first purchase to the end of the week that's r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com uh and use code c-h-i-c-l-e-t-s 20 off polos hoodies joggers more tip biz brought up mcdavid and coaching edmonton and i'm big these guys give me shit i'm the oilers guy on the podcast but oftentimes i'll hear uh he can't win he can't win the big one it's like i don't know the guy's getting 40 points in the playoffs it's kind of hard to put it on him but coaching him was he just because we have brought up he's very serious he's very driven and i don't know as a coach do you wish at times he could loosen up a little or is it just not in his dna really i think he loosens up all the time with his teammates behind the scenes but that's good to hear you remember how mario was mario was very it's like stoic very stoic low profile never liked the media much like just very you know very cognizant of everything that's going around him and don't want to don't want to bring attention to himself that's how he is and you know his play is like crazy he could play on a winning team anywhere you know yeah and you know he just he needs to he needs to keep at it he's gonna he's gonna find his day again it's it's incredible the things he does you know and and at a speed he does and you know just the way he takes care of himself just i i i can't say enough good things about him like he's and knowledgeable about the game understanding about the game and you know he's got a lot of good things about him what's going on uh i the the one knock i could say about him there's times when he would have an unbelievable game like five points or whatever and he was he was almost embarrassed by his success like he wanted to shy away from it and i always wondered the next game if he's going to just kind of downplay it and and not have a good game you know and that's during the regular season during playoffs he always wanted to play top notch but but he's just he's just he's just he's just he's uh he just he's a good person he's an unbelievable player but he's got to be he's got to watch everything he does because he's in a fishbowl so much you ask any of the players there he's a great teammate really good teammate and but just just has to be very very cognizant of what's going on around him well he'll win he'll win he'll win i like it that's what i've i just i just can't keep saying like there's no way you won't i you know you're just not going to be in edmonton well that that could be a point yans but we'll see how that goes i think we're going to see how that goes the next year or two yeah we are oh yeah we are but um this has been great tip we appreciate it man these guys speak so highly of you i know we've never met but um it's kind of like you uh like i was blessed with so many amazing coaches and you were so detailed and and just all the little nuances of the game that i was able to learn while i was sitting there and uh riding riding shotgun with you johnny anderson yeah well i appreciate it guys you're two of my favorite for sure it's just i've been really blessed you know i like having teams where you got characters on them and you got different characters and you got to have fun in the game like i was always you know there's a time to really be serious and time to to you know dig in but you got to have fun in this game and guys like you always kept it fun and i think that was one of the reasons we we had the success we didn't you know phoenix's fun was it was a part of our agenda and we had fun on the ice and that's that turned into wins for us so i appreciate it guys oh you're the best we'll keep in touch guys if anyone likes coffee out there you need to know about stella blue stella blue coffee ready to drink canned lattes you can taste the difference and make a difference stella blue cans are made with a hundred percent colombian coffee and packed with 190 milligrams of caffeine to fuel your day whether you're heading to work the gym a road trip or just need a little pick me up in the afternoon. 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Yeah, I was going to say it's not until September. What a party. But it was the only time I'm going to be home in Boston to be able to have all you guys there. Yeah. Yeah. Very true. Very true. And we had a great time. And Biz, keep it sweaty. Keep it sweaty. Okay, buddy? I got my electrolytes. Gotta be dancing. Gotta be smiling. All right. Electrolytes. Liquid Gaston. All right, everyone. And listen, guys, hockey fans, we are the ultimate hockey fans. And I get very excited September 1st. Until September 1st, it's just not hockey. Hockey is a grind of a season. Don't you guys worry. There won't be golf talk. There won't be sweaty Gaston talk. There will be hockey talk. And it's coming. And it's just give us a couple more weeks of shooting the show. We still have more interviews. We have one episode where we did question and answers, which was actually pretty funny. 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