Spittin' Chiclets Episode 664: Featuring Dave Tippett

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Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is basketball sports. I brought it toward the coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined the spit-chickled podcast full time. A little bit annoying. Ryan Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now. I just want to handbag her, get that on camera. He can handle the song, man. It's a full-time member. Marley just gotten us this from Chris Bate. Whoa, where buzzing right now. What is up everyone? Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to episode 664 of this spit-chickled podcast. And I'm going to tell you something right now. I've never been more pinkies up in my life and I will explain why in a couple minutes. But shout out, pink Whitney. And summer's not over yet. And even when summer ends and fall becomes a part of our life again and winter and football, pink Whitney, it always remains. It doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't matter. So pinkies up. We got football tailgates. But we're not there yet. We're still summer as I go pinkies. Oh, thank you very much. If you don't like golf, one, you're an idiot to shut the pot off or at least fast forward for 25 minutes. Because I don't want to hear any complaining. And if you complain to me, I don't care because currently this morning at 834 on Monday, August 10th, I am on top of the world. Boys, a dream came true. My guy Andy Luther from Alabama and myself won the Fallon Cup. What is the Fallon Cup? What is the Fallon Cup guys? It's the greatest number guest in the world. And I'm not exaggerating. And we're going to get golf term here. We're going to discuss now. Are you mad that we're talking about? Shut up because I want I'm a champion forever. And guess what? The format of this tournament. Boys, if I have what you shit with, I can't wait to hear about it. I have no idea. I've heard about the Fallon Cup, but I don't know why. Okay, but let me quickly explain the Fallon Cup, okay? The Fallon Cup, most member guesses, a lot of member guesses. You bring a guest and you play five or seven, nine hole matches. And then there's different flights. And well, the Fallon Cup, you can have anyone can sign up for the Fallon Cup. But the problem is there's only 96 spots. So they have a championship flight, first flight, second flight, third flight, fourth flight, fifth flight. There was 122 teams that signed up. Well, what happens is you do qualifying. You do best ball. You go out and play with your partner. And if it is me and you were playing together and you make a five and I get a four, our score is four. Okay, so you have to be top 96 to get it. So I think 2016 didn't even get in this year, which is tough. You know, people travel for it, but it's gross. Once the tournament starts, then you use the strokes and everyone's handicap comes in. But to get into the tournament, you just have to go out and post the number. My guy, my guy, Andy Luther, we've been in the championship flight every year. We always go out, shoot three or four under, which is hard. You can go out there and make a double bogey. You don't get into the championship plate. Why does the championship flight matter the most? Because that's the only way to win the foul and cup. If you win the champ flight, you win the foul and cup. If you win your other flight, you know, you win maybe a couple bucks and you win your flight, but you don't win the foul and cup. Okay. I won. I won the foul and cup. And people may be saying, oh, it's a member of guess. It's the foul and cup. F-A-L-L-O-N-Cop, who is Fallon? I don't even know, dude. It was the 87th year boys. It was the 87th year I saw that and I go crossby. I go, I wouldn't even have a life without number 87. And it's the 87th Fallon cup. And I'm not going to lie, boys. I'm not going to lie. Like, I've kind of in the back of my mind, been like, I'm like running out of time. Like these young kids are coming. They've got new members, they're smashing it, 50 yards past me. I'm like, if I don't get this then soon, I turn 44 in February. Like, I'm running out of time. And if I hadn't won this goddamn tournament, I could have been on my deathbed at nine years old shake. I would have shook my head. I never won the foul. Like, my life wasn't complete without winning this tournament. How many teams in the championship flight? Sixteen. So you got to win four matches. Okay. So it was an awesome, awesome Thursday night party. And then teams qualify Wednesday and Thursday. So it's all day, those two days. And then the matches start. So we won Friday and we Friday, we got matched with the, we're playing like the best player at the club. Nine whole nine holes each match. No, that's the thing. They're 18 whole matches. Holy shit. So that's another. I don't want to say that. That's another thing. It's pretty cool. It's a long while 18 whole matches came. This is comes into play. And I will not run through each match. Although I could, I could sit here for five hours. I could listen to you and talk about this. God damn what's crazy is you were, would remember every single. All every single hole. Well, I won the final cup. I don't know if I told you that. Yeah. Yes, the final cup. So Jake Raddy's an unbelievable player. We get him first round. He went to the finals last year. I'm like, dude, if we can get through this one, like we can win this thing. Mind you, Luther and I every other year have won on Friday. We always win the first round. And then we lose Saturday. We'd never made it to Sunday. And it was like, dude, but I kept saying, I'm like, it's like golfers on when they lose a bunch of tournaments. They're like, I'm just going to keep putting myself in position. I'm going to keep putting myself in position. So boom, we get through Friday again in an incredible match. We won one off, unreal match. And we're like, all right, we got to slay the dragon Saturday. And we slayed the shit out of the dragon. I grabbed the sword and I put the sword through the dragons to roll on Saturday with Luther. He was gone. Okay. So now we're on the Sunday. Like on the Cyclops's eye and all the night. Yeah, exactly. Mind you, every was in was around when we won the Final Cup. So it was in there. So Saturday night, you have the big Thursday night party at wall. And then you have a big Friday night party when the wives come. Thursday night's men's only. And then it's like, all right, if you win Saturday, you're on to the semi-final Sunday. You tee off at 7 a.m. I'll just take it easy. No, no, no, no, because we had our guy. Keith Yandell's surprise 40th birthday party Saturday. He didn't have a clue. He pretended to know busy. He didn't have a goddamn clue. He walked in all of his best friends and his family are there. Surprise. Meanwhile, I'm in the corner looking at the pen sheets for the match the next morning. So here's another great aspect. So Kevin Hayes plays there in the Champ Flight with the Kid Nick Resor, a very good golfer. He's in the other semi-final of the Champ Flight on Sunday morning. So he's at 7 a.m. I'm at 710. Keith's party was awesome. We'll get into that. But I'm going to talk about the foul and cup. So I'm like, if we get by this and we play hazy in the finals, it'll be probably the most legendary final you could ever ask for there. And so many people follow the final. They get the scoreboard out there and everything. So we get into this Saturday Sunday morning match and we just take care of business. We won on 14. And now at this point, the train's rolling. And when I play 36 holes, days I play 36 holes, I play nasty, the second 18. Make it always, and maybe not nasty, but always better than the morning. And in the morning, I think I was four over through 14. So I was playing pretty good, but not like, I'm like, I need more. I need more in the finals. Haze ends up losing. They had a good match, but they lost to the defending champs. Okay? The members of very good player, very steady. And the guest is a kid who plays at Yukon, or he just graduated from Yukon, like a legitimate golfer. They won it last year. And I don't mean they were kind of drumming everyone. I think they beat Haze on 17, but they won matches five and four, six and five. And it's on. And it's on like Donkey Kong. And here we go. This match, boys, I could take you back. Oh, I really good. Will I? Yeah, it's the foul cup. First hall, we tie with bars. Second hall. Now, I'm getting six shots, okay? Because this kid's in as a plus three. And I'm a three. So I'm getting six shots. My partner, Andy Luther's getting four shots. Because he's a one. And then the member, Zack is getting five. Because he's a two. So four. 5 and 6 are the shots that this kid raised giving out. The second haul, I hit a really nice shot in the middle of the green. I have a putt for three, two. I two putt for four, three. Zack's long, you can't go long at Wally World. He chips this incredible chip down to four feet and cans it for four, three. Now I haven't even putted yet, okay? Because whatever, a long story. Now I have to two putt, it's a little different. I two putt, no problem. We go to three. Zack buries like a 25 foot birdie. We're down one. At this point, we played three matches and we're three holes into the final match. We had not been, not lead it. We never were trained in a match. Oh, shit. So I said, wow, that's our first deficit. Okay, no worries. We go to four, we tie four, we go to five. My guy Luther hits it on, he's got an eagle putt. Zack hits it on, he has an eagle putt. I get up and down for birdies. So now Luther has a free run, right? It doesn't matter if he hammers the eagle putt by because we have the four, thanks to me, with dog. And what happens? He literally leaves it one inch from the cup for eagle and Zack steps up and knocks in the eagle. So we're two down. I'm like, Jesus, God, that we're playing, we're fine. You know what I mean? But we're two down. We get to six, 185 yard or 180. I think it was, and we both kind of hit it on the green. It was just off the green. And this kid Ray hits it to an inch. Now we're down three. I'm like, Jesus, but you know what, boys? I'm so proud of myself and the Luther dog. I was so positive, I'm like, we're fine. I'm like, we're fine. And I was striping it. I was striping it. So I was like, my game's money right now. Second 18 of the day, you know what I used to do? Like eight days a week before I had kids, thanks kids. We go to seven and we win. They both three putt. All right, we're two down. We're two down, okay? We go to eight. We tie still two down. We go to nine. I'm so dumb. I thought I was the only one stroking, okay? But I wasn't. My partner makes birdie and Zach makes four. I'm like, nice one down. We get up, I see the card. Zach was stroking. So we're still two down. Still two down. All right, no worries. We go to 10. Everyone has birdie pots. Zach makes another 25 footer for birdie. Three down through 10. Now at this point, it's like most people watching. I'd say there was about a hundred people out there watching. They got the cards. They got the booze. It's just for now. Pinkies up. And was hands there watching? No, 'cause he's in there and tuck it. I just got here. That's another story. I was up 'til two in the morning. My alarm went off at four. I've slept two hours, boys. Two hours. I was hugging the trope and the trope and I just rubbing it. And so we end up down, down three with eight to go. We drive off the 10th hole. I go, dude, we just have to make a long pot. Like we're gonna have to make a couple long pots. They's made three or four, you know, 20 to 34 pots. Luther's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Luther goes on to 11 and cans like a 40 foot downhill spot. Yes, Luther. He's a dog. This kid's an absolute dog. And. Oh, yeah, he's just got big old calves. He loves IPAs. He's an animal. So we go to 12. They both bogey. Now we're one down. Now we're one down. We get the pars on 12. We're one down. We go to 13. I hit this thing dead right. This thing's going a hundred yards into the water. Hit the tree and kicks down with a perfect angle for the green. Luther snaps hooks his out of bounds. They're sitting pretty these guys. We both, so I end up, we all have birdie pots. They lip out like I'm talking. It hits the lip and stops on the edge. And I made like a five foot par pot. We're still one down. We go to 14. Both teams birdie. Now we get to 15. We are one down. And this is the hole I stroke alone. You remember four shots for Luther. Five shots for Zach. Six shots for Whitdog. That's a stroke hole. 15. It was all the way back. It's my favorite hole in the back. I wonder why it's my favorite hole at the course. You want to know why? Because you're a foul and cop champ. Because I hit a great drive. But Ray, this kid hits it, legit 60 yards past me. I hit it on to about 25 feet. I'm stroking alone. I don't know if I mentioned that. He hits it to like seven feet. He stuffs it. So I'm like, oh dude, like, I gotta make this. Three for two. He's not even putting. He cannot beat three for two if he's putting for three. Yeah. Am with dog. Bam right in the jar. This match is tied up. We go to 60 birdie pots for everyone. Everyone misses. We go to 17, okay? Everyone hits it on. They both three putted were one up. What? One up going to 18. We parred the bogey. We now have the lead. We were down three after 10 and through 17 were up one. And I'm talking. The vibes are high. I'm seeing all my best buddies. They're pissed, pop of me. That's cold. That's cold. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit on that. We get to 18, buddy. I hit the drive of my life. I just fade this thing around the corner. I'm sitting dead middle of the fairway uphill shot. A true championship finishing hole. The 18th hole at Walston. This is the foul and cup we're talking about, by the way. I got one fifth Luther. Luther had like 195 hits an incredible shot. But it goes to the back right of the green. And the pin is front left. So I'm like, that's going to be a very hard to put. I'm standing over this ball. I'm like nine iron. It was 140 to cover the bunker uphill playing 150. I'm like, or I chip in eight. But I've been like swinging hard at stuff and not doing like softer swings, which that's a different subject. We can get into that another golf talk day. I choose nine. I come up and out of it, buddy. I leave it short like on like near the top of the hill. But now I have to hit it over like the rough and a bunker to a front left pin. So I got to hit it high. I nipped this thing pretty nice to about eight feet. OK, Zach has a birdie putt for three, two. We're all stroking on this hole. Also, I should have mentioned that. OK. Zach leaves his birdie putt to make three for two, literally right here, an incredible putt. Luther puts his down to about like three, four feet, an awesome putt. So now if Luther makes that putt, we win. Or if I make my putt, I win. I had eight feet, so I'm going to go first. And I'm not going to lie. I said, I want to make this putt. Oh, yeah, here it is. Here's the video. Here's the video. So here's the video. And I'll just keep talking. I'm lining this thing up, boys. And I'm like, I've had this putt before. It's split left edge. Just hit it with pace. Luther's going to make his anyways. But I want to be the one to just putt. And so is your focus. I bought this shirt before the final, because I wanted a waltz shirt when I won the tournament. I wore this sand bar Jetties Beach Nantucket hat the whole time, because I really like this hat. And right now, in my mind, I bring the putt back and bow and cough before the win. And let me tell you guys, I said, let's go with it. And it was about 12 inches tall, but I knew I hardered it. I knew I hardered it. And we won and we some and I forever am a fountain cup champion with Andy Luther. They put your name on the big trophy. Pinkies up. I can't believe that I won. And let me tell you this too. I, on the 13th hall, I had to make that putt for part to stay one down. And I'm standing over it and I'm not lying. I started smiling. I started smiling because I said, this is all you've wanted is to play in this match. Every year, I go to the championship match. Every year and every year, I'm like, I want to play in this match. I love when people have followed. I want to play in this match. I stood over this putt and I actually started smiling. I'm like, you're in this match and I fucking canned it. And my attitude and just, am I pumping my own tires right now? Yes. Are you fucking earned by your champion? Are we a golf podcast? No. Now, are we talking about a fountain cup champion for the rest of eternity? Yes, we are. So thank you for the saying to my Ted talk. But I won. I won. Dude, that was a good thank you for sharing. The trophy is incredible. It's unbelievable. It's huge. It's the fountain cup. Oh, that's right. Yeah. And so you have no idea who this fountain guy is. No, yeah. It's a great question. The great question. I mean, my buddy Keith's buddy Bill. He named his daughter, Fountain. He named his daughter after this tournament. I think. legit. So now we got to get into the fact that you guys set it in prompt to Yandall surprise birthday party during the fountain cup. Dude, I was, I was so stressed out during his matches. I'm like, because if he loses, he was at my party. He's going to be pissed at me. Oh, no, no, no. So I was like stressed out about that. But yeah, luckily he took it home and yeah, it was just an incredible. I still can't. I woke up. I was like, was it a dream? Was it a dream? Oh, no. This metal trophy is touching my earlobe and bed. Bre was in here. Bre wasn't there. I got off the green. And my father-in-law had showed up, but I never saw him in the crowd. And he's, he had been face timing with Bre and the boys because they're in New York City. So they were watching it on FaceTime and then like rider and rider going nuts. It was it was a great, it was a great, great, great, it was a day. I'll remember the rest of my life. My buddy Andy Luther is such an incredible player and an even better guy. And it's just, it's, it's an awesome tournament, dude. It's so fun and how would you, how would you meet him? We got paired together. I played in the mass am in 2019 or 18 and we were randomly paired together. And he's like, hey, I live in Milton. I was like, oh, so do I. I'm from Alabama. I play at Boston golf. He's like, you know, like you like playing money matches. I love to get some money matches. They go, you just got paired with the right guy. And we've just been playing golf together ever since. Biz, this tournament is so crazy that like, obviously, it's a member guest. So some of the members have never met their partners before. They'll meet them in the parking lot, but like, they're a great player and they want to win so bad they hire guns to come in. Yeah, there's hired guns. There's high, like, there's got, like, like, there's like 65 year olds playing. Would you consider that kind of hired, hired gun? No, my guys. No, no, no, okay. He's not a hired gun. He is not a hired gun because we had, we played a guy, I said, hey, and he brings, and so we won Boston golf member guest. And now we won this one. So we got both our clubs. We got both their clubs. We were able to figure that out. And there was other funny stuff, but I'm just done cloud nine. I don't know. Are these members, like, paying these hired guns to come in to play with them? Or they just, like, come on. They're not paying, but they're paying for the tournament. And like, you know, everything else. But yeah, it's like, we'd also lost two, we lost two years in a row to a kid who shot 29 on the front. And then 65, we lost in a playoff next year on different kids shot 29 in the front. And we lost on that match on 17. It was just like, I was just like, I don't know if I'm ever going to, like, I don't know if I'm ever going to win this tournament. Like, what the fuck did though? Yeah. So you guys call it Wally world. Are you also a member at wallston and old sandwich? Yes. Yeah. So wallston's like, where I live, like, right there. It's like, kind of like, it's the one we played against Touka in them. Yeah. We, it's where we played Touka in them. Wallston. Okay. I thought that was old sandwich. No, no, no, no, no. Tiger Woods won a US junior Emmett wallston in like 1993 or something like that. Okay. It's a sick, sick little track. It's amazing people there. I'm bad with the track, man. Sorry, boys. I shouldn't know. No one is playing that is the fan cup. Just don't ever forget the word fountain cup, right? Don't have a day. We did it. Does this like, after this, like, does it feel like the the family feud and the the Sabre sword? Is that so far in the rear view mirror where you're like, I'm a fountain cup champion. I'm like, I don't give a fuck about any of that shit. Buddy, you could pants me on family feud while I'm drinking a Sabre's jug sword. And I literally wouldn't care. And I think I said, I think I said recently when discussing how it's been a tough year, it's been a tough year for the with dog. And I think I said I'm due for something good. You are. You are. Yeah. You are. I think you're gonna said that. And now was this online for the world to see like the family feud and the Sabre show. Everything else that I've embarrassed myself with. No, it wasn't. But in my mind, I don't care. I don't care that everyone else doesn't know. You know why? Because I just came on and parked the bottle for 25 minutes. So there you go, cup champion. There you go. Get to keep the trophy for until next time. Yeah, it's in your house. He did a class move. Well, I had Luth take at home to show his daughter, his daughters, I think four or five. And and she's really into trophy. So you're getting baptized out of it. I think that happens a little younger, but people I didn't think, you know, you know, just if you told me, if you told me when I joined wallston, I think it was 2009, eight that I would be drinking a vodka named after me out of the fountain cup. After winning the fountain cup, I probably would have said you're crazy. But so it turns out, man, I showed up. I, I nutted up dude and I final match. I shot 72 getting six shots. That's a 66 net. Our team was 10 under. They were nine under. So it was a great match, dude. It was a, it was a, it was a, it was a fun, fun day that I'll never forget. 36 walls. The second, 18, the width of rings, the thunder. Hazy must be a pretty good. I know we played again. Hazy was incredible. So he's so much better now. Well, he's like a seven. Where I think he's a seven in that's real good. Yeah. But he when he's on, he like every match they were winning, he was, he like on the front nine, he was like one over and then like he's playing a kid. He played a kid who played in the masters in the US open. He's one of the guests who plays and he's getting 11 shots from this kid. He was like a plus forward and like shooting one over on the front. Like you can't beat that no matter what. And so Hazy was on fire. And I think in the semi finals, he said he, he had like a couple holes where he's stroking along that he messed up. But he played awesome. He played awesome. So it was a, yeah. I mean, we can move on. I guess copatars get in the statue. So were you outside of wallistan? We're going to put a statue of himself at his house. Yeah. Yeah. And you're part. Where's my parking spots again? We got bigger fish to fry sweet. He could park on the road. Yeah. Oh shit. I bought a place. A few doors down to your park there with my foul and cup winnings. I get toad, but I still have the trophy. So I don't care. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. So I really haven't followed anything. Like I have no clue what we're even talking about right now. Like I'm not much. I don't know who starts getting a statue. I guess he's getting a statue, which I mean, well deserved. I think when the other guys from that dynasty got the statues, we were well aware that copatar was going to get one. Well, he get his own individual or is he going to get blended into the their type of statue? Because I think the other one was what is it brown? Brown has one with somebody else. I thought it was brown and one other guy. As a member, I originally was like, I don't know if Dustin Brown was a statue guy. Oh, maybe we knew that if Brown's getting one, then we're going to probably have a quickie's going to be there and then Doudy's going to be in it. So it would be copatar, quickie, Doudy. I mean, yeah, brown. That was the core. That was the core. But then you got Mr. Game 7, you know, Justin Williams. He could have a statue with Carolina and L.A. Technically. He won the cons mites world. The split jersey. How about that kid's contract for Pittsburgh? What's this kid's name? This is a funny talk. I don't I don't think anybody on the planet was anger than Matt Murley when that. Oh, most girls was comparing his stats through through 30 games compared to his hand. Hey, I would have took half of this. I would have took two way. I thought this was a. I just saw a Twitter and I saw it. Vellie, Villy, Kuvenin, Kuvenin. This is the fan base was all over me about the Gensel trade saying that this kid was going to be like the next the next thing. That's the guy they were they were backing up and justifying that that Gensel move where listen, like this is that's real that he's 23 years old, recorded two goals and five assists across 39 games last season. He also collected 13 goals and 20 assists for 41 points in 34 HL game. So he's light up the HL. Good for him, but sick to sign this guy to an eight year 32 million dollar deal. Hey, man, I don't know. Have you watched him play much Jans? You know much about him? No, nothing. I don't know one thing about him. Now, if he ends up being decent though, they're going to look like geniuses that you know, the dubious mastermind where like maybe he's like this kid's going to be good and we just got him for four million bucks a year, which is now league minimum. So in fairness, you're actually paying him nothing. It's just so funny to see your career NHL stats be what they are and get 32 million dollars. I think murals might still be like awake just like looking at his stats being like I don't get I don't get I don't get look at me look at me. I got sent down by labby that after I scored that fucking preseason game. This is bullshit. Do you think it's one of those things with because Gensel is such a prominent player like they had to sign him to save face to justify it? Yeah. I mean make him make him prove another year, right? I'm sure he would have taken a one year deal of four million. I don't I can't think of another situation where a guy who played so few games gets such an aggressive deal. I've seen a few where they've gotten like a two three year one way all of a sudden and they're making a couple million bucks. We're like oh jeez they you know they really believe in this guy's trajectory but to commit for for eight years at that number it's it's certainly a gamble and it looks if if it doesn't pan out and he just becomes like a like a average up and down player. This just looks like this looks like lunacy lunacy. I honestly always said that though like out of my first contract if they offered a Phoenix offer me a 10 year deal at like three million dollars I would have taken him. Yeah. I remember I remember joking around with Cogliano and Edmonton. He's like I take a 15 year deal for 15 million. Right. Did he end up making a lot more? Yeah. Yeah. I mean Cogs Cogs my I wonder what Cogs did not make it. He was money dude. That kid was so good and called a lot of when they wanted to a future GM type I've always I've been hearing from from different people. He said oh come on too. I love him. So I was talking to Ryan Shay him and I think Savoy Leon Bouchard there was like eight guys went up to McDavid's and they had a little and the oilers are ready buddy the oilers are ready. They're dialed in as a team. He said they had a great weekend up at the McDavid grounds. How 40 are you to hear that? I'm like buddy like I there would like if I can win the foul and cop the oilers can win the Stanley Cup. We got we got one of the best coaches in the history of the sport. Nobody else says one would he what? - What? - Yeah, I know, you're right. Nobody's won what he's won. You can't deny the fact that the guy can coach, don't listen to people who dog babs. Babs is the guy who's gonna bring the cup back. Okay, if I can win the foul and cup, you always can win the Stanley Cup. That's for certain. And there's no strokes in the NHL playoffs. - Not to be negative in this moment of you glazing babs. - When you were on that golf trip with Commodore, did you find out what happened between him and the oilers? - Ah, yes. So they sent him an email. - Babs. - Babs did. - They sent him an email saying like, like what is it called when you listen to sis? - No, yeah, it was a season to sis. - Aram, you know, slander, but like what is the word you use legally if you're gonna sue somebody for? - Defamation. - Defamation. They're like, we're gonna sue you for defamation, which is, and Commie telling the story is so funny. He's like, you basically can't ever like win a case if you're famous. If you think somebody defame the defamation. Dude, this is tough for me right now. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, thank you. - And like Portland always talked about this, where like he sued people for defamation, but I guess if you're in the public eye, basically people could say whatever they want about you. Like that's kind of like the gist of it. So Commie's like, but then I guess Commie, libel, libel. Commie texted a lawyer buddy of his, and he's like, yeah, I'd probably delete the one tweet 'cause he had a tweet where like, if your child is at like the lowest belt man, there's a predator running around. I did think the predator word was totally unnecessary for a freaking legendary coach, Mike Babcock. The guy can coach his dick off boys. And so the predator thing, I think he deleted and then re-worded it without using predators saying the exact same thing. - Okay. - So if he ends up in court with the OEG group, I think that would be a storyline, basically built for spit and chicklets. - Well, as he played for the flames, right? Battle of Alberta. - Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I would go to the Eagle Battle of Alberta. - It might Commodore, and then I would pay Commie just to maybe represent himself, like Matt Damon and Goodwill Hunt then. And just like, represent him. - Yeah. Retainer, retainer, retainer. - Yeah, so Commie's still really, really dislikes Mike Babcock, but you know, who loves him, Zach Hutman and Conor McDavid and all these guys so stand the cup on an Edmonton Final Cup win. - Maybe they need to be the villains. You know, they need to take on that type of identity where it's us against the world and it feels like it's that, right? So. - Oh yeah. - I, with Florida Missing Playoffs last year and then I would just, to see that trilogy would be. - If they would, so you'd sign up right now if you could to guarantee an Edmonton Florida research. - I think we need a, I would love to see a Leafs Panthers first round with Bob going against his former team. And I, yeah, as much as that travels, I kick in the junk. - Oh my God. - I feel like, I feel like I did the Odyssey. I was Matt Damon. By the way, so I saw the Odyssey. - Okay, what'd you think? - I think that Matt Damon should with 10 Oscars for not crushing Charlie's there and after having to eat the Lotus Flowers for 10 years on that island with her. He never crushed her, right? - Oh, I was assuming that they were sleeping together. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Three times a day. - I mean, they didn't show it. - Yeah, they were. - Oh. - I think he literally only crushed her when he was awake in this crush. - That's what he took from that movie. - That is what he took from one of the great games. - Never once. - He's gonna say, "Win 10 Oscars for just his acting role." - I sat there for three hours and they were pounding and I didn't get to watch. - Yeah. - I know. - Oh, if he went to eye max. - They should get zero Oscars. - You can see it in IMAX. - Oh, yeah, it's 3D too. - Her vagina is in your face with the 3D glasses on. It's pretty cool. - She's like, they're man ships, she's squirted. She's just water works, Charlie's there and fuck it. It's like the water's coming in the theater. - The water's in the theater. We're like, it's like you get the smell. You're like. - Oh, oh, oh, oh. - We're gonna see where we're in the full experience. Unreal, like just, yeah, the way it was filmed, like for that long of a movie, you never got bored, you know? Like the scene with the scene with the witch turning them into pigs, the Cyclops one, the Cyclops one word, it was fucking loud. - I know. - The guy was screaming as dick off, man. - He sounded like memes coming in from a bar at London at four in the morning. - Yeah. - Oh, dude, yeah, when the Cyclops grabbed the one guy and just like basically, it just like flossed his teeth with him and I'm like, oh, shit, man. That was crazy. And then they were smart enough to not let him, 'cause they were gonna get him before it was open, before the door was open, they would have been stuck in there with a dead Cyclops. - Yeah, I love the way it was shot to in the beginning, how it was kind of going back and forth and then starting the story. The Trojan horse, the way they filmed that was incredible. Just how they were all in there and how when it was being tilted up, you kind of see them moving around and trying to maneuver in there. - You know, it was cold in there, right? - That's apparently it was freezing cold and they were committed to the bit. But I would say that I would compare it to, like it was essentially Matt Damon's Gladiator. - Yeah. - Like you look at Russell Crowe and Gladiator and how it sustained the test of time and how much of an impact it had during that period of film. Obviously like a similar type thing, like the swords, the fighting and all that type of stuff. I felt like it'll be like it'll be in that category till the end of time. - Yeah. - Was that a fair comparison? - 100%. - Yeah, just a longer version. I definitely need to watch it a few more times in order to get more of like the nuances and the names and you know, it's a long, that's a grind of a movie. I can't remember a lot. That was also the first time I've been to the movies, like probably years and years before even COVID started. - You don't know. - I don't know to the movie theater. You just watch your DVD of "They Will Be Blood" in your house. - Well, I need theater. - That was your father's gift. I haven't gotten that yet. I watched that usually, just on the streaming channels. But incredible. And the only other thing I was gonna tell you guys is, we had this dinner at what, I would probably call it my favorite restaurant in Canada. It's called the Deep Colve Chalet and I might get banned from the restaurant for telling this story. So I just wanna let you guys know that I'm putting it out. I'm putting myself out there for this. - And if you get banned, you'll be rattled and you love the place, but you have to tell the story. - I have to tell the story 'cause Pasha ended up going there for the first time. Now, keep in mind, I get to go there, probably like once a summer when I'm back in Victoria. And Pasha had never been there to eat before. So he was part of this experience. So to set the table, it's about 30 minutes from Victoria. It's called the Deep Colve Chalet and there's like an 80 year old, like the family owns it and there's an 80 year old chef in the kitchen, French guy and he's incredible. And you know how you talk to how you don't like the Michelin stars? This is one of those like, I would call it fine dining, but they're giving you great portions. Like the meals and the side dishes and the appetizers are all incredible. - Is it hero-act food, like you're just like, what is this or is it like normal? - No hero-act, it's good. - Every time I get there, I get the beef Wellington. You know what beef Wellington is? - Yup, of course. - There's a meat in the middle with the bread on the outside. - Oh yeah. - They give you like a side one as like just like to bring it out. Yes, so you're not a beef Wellington? - Exactly, exactly, pretty nice. So, you know, it's like a five acre property. They have like a little vineyard. It's on the water. You can go in for a dip if you want. Like, so it's like not pretentious in that way, where they give you like a towel if you want to go have a swim. The only like, the only thing that's a little weird and you guys might not like this is the main, they got the main server. I'm gonna call them Gaston just for the sake of the story is, it's inside and outside. And they don't have many servers. So he's making the drinks and he gets like real sweaty. So he starts like leak and oil and he kind of walks like a little. (laughing) I don't want to call him a hunch, but when he's a pain on the tray full of the drinks, all the sweat ends up leaking to the tip of his chin. Buddy, he's not working. I don't know, he's that sweaty. - But he's working his bag off. When he's working, but like, it's not that hot there, is it? - The gist of it is is he leaks a little bit in the cocktails as he's dropping them off, okay? Okay, so I knew that right away. You're probably like, how was this your favorite restaurant? - Yeah, well, you are a certain part. - And this reaction right here is exactly what I was hoping for, okay? - This is like, when he ends, I told him I really like the sub shop. He's like, I'll never go there again. I said, "Why?" because I took a bite. of a sub from there one time, and there was an elastic band in the middle of it. I'll never go there again. Biz, you witnessed sweat and drip off the skin and fall directly into the body. It's the little, that's like the little extra spice it, the drink. So here's the kicker. It's a pallet cleanser. It's a pallet, it's a straight up acid pallet cleanser. It's an electrolyte. So, we are on the way to the restaurant and we're excited for Pasha to experience this the first time. Not only sitting outside, taking it in through like sunset, the waters there, the foods incredible, like the service is incredible, maybe other than what I just mentioned, which I don't personally care about because the food and the restaurant are so good. So, we tell and describe this to Pasha. He's sweat bay, not salt bay. Yeah, he's sweat bay. Okay. Sorry. So, no, we're good. So we get there and we've described this to Pasha going into his first experience and we get there and Gaston comes up to the table because he's course our server again and he is a bone dry, bone dry, and I'm like, oh, fuck, okay, maybe like we describe this and kind of had fun with it. Maybe Pasha's not going to get to witness it, but we all throw in our drinks. And he goes back to the to the kitchen to mix in these cocktails and he comes out meet. So Pasha, he was the second last to order a drink and I was the last and Pasha's like, you know what, I'll get a I'll get a margarita. I said, you know what? I'll get a margarita to Gaston. So he fucking call. He shit. He get a call. Shake away. He comes out after being bone dry when we got there and he is leaking, bro. He is leaking. So I'm nudging Pasha beside me and I'm like, okay, sure enough, he fuck, he's leaning over to drop off the first set of drinks and that beat of sweat is just dangling. It's dangling. He comes back crying, the second person leans right over and that beat of sweat drops either in my margarita or Pasha's margarita, buddy, direct shot, battleship has sunk. Get it. Direct hit. You wanted salt on the rim, correct? Oh, you everywhere. So we don't know who got the salt, the salt day, sweat day in the drink. What did he do? So I lean over. I'm making the drink like he was dry, made the drinks and that's what makes him leave Pasha. Come on in. Or he's like eating lotus flower, like pounding out a girl in the back before he's making the drink. That's that's the other thing. Pasha. You guys undersold it. It was like a scene out of a movie. It wasn't even beats of sweat. It was like a steady stream of sweat. And like at one point, he like comes over like Joey asked a question about the menu. He's leaning over. He's just leaking all over Joey's pants, Joey's like trying to get out of the way. It was insane. But like something about him, like he was so charming and nice that you like weren't like rattled at him. It just kind of like you were just kind of like that. This is part of the experience and like it was straight out our comedy movie. We were losing our shit. You think like the GM there or the manager's been like a stone. You got him. He's wet. All right. It's been time. It's been time. All the time. There's been times where he's had like a scarf. What would he call those like a the Afghan what do you call those? A burka. No, I'm not a burka. No, those those those those like it's his head of ties. Sometimes they wear them on TV. Oh yeah. He only wears that when Pasha comes. Hey, so is he sweating into the food as well or he? I know. I think you're really I think you're getting the full experience. He's sweating. Everything. He opens up your beef Wellington and then like the sweat goes into it and then he closes it back up. Yeah. Do you think anyone. Do you think anyone who goes to this restaurant regularly like if they're listening right now is like dying laughing because they all know I think that I will get up. You get the text messages from the friends that I know who go there all the time being pissed that they might be on the no fly list because I got Pasha. Do you have a picture in the group chat of the French chef who's like 80 years old like this whole. Yeah. They pull it up. You could make you could make a movie based on this restaurant. It feels like it's out of a Disney movie like the 80 year old chef like Pasha will pull up a picture of him like he came out. The thing is though I think that I think there's a lot of people who are on the no fly list in this restaurant. It's always half full, but it's incredible. It may have to do with the people that complain about sweat bay, but they've chose sweat bay over those people. They're like, no, no, like this our guy, that's our guy. I respect the loyalty for the sweat. Yeah. Do you have it? This is this is gas. No, that's the head chef, that's the owner, and yeah, if he doesn't like you, you're blacklisted. So probably on that list now, he's like the soup noughty like no sweat for you. No sweat for you. Well, gas saws the soup noughty because you order a salad and he brings you a bowl of soup. You're like, what is this? Yeah. Sweats. Yeah, it's like, whatever they want to give you, you're having with a little side of sweat. So if that was my last ever meal, if that was my last ever meal at the deep cove, shall I then and so be it at least possible to go. Biz jumped in the ocean after his meal, he was somehow less salty after jumping in the ocean than after his main encourts. Oh my God, what a week, boys, what an absolute week. We've all had our adventures incredible and we have Dave Tippett. We're going to throw it over to Dave Tippett who, man, I always thought he was like a dead serious kind of grump based on his look behind the bench. Yeah. He's got resting, stretching bitch coach, coach face. Well, man, this guy was so fun to talk to and hearing stories about coaching both of you guys. Like I really enjoyed this interview. I think everyone listening will enjoy hearing from him. I also didn't know and I feel I feel bad some of these guys who they weren't like, you know, big name. It's like, it's like me as a player, right? If I didn't have the podcast, like nobody would remember me as an NHL or well, they were now in cup champ, found cup champ, but like Dave Tippett, I didn't really know. I didn't know how good of a career he had, you know, he played for a long time and then he just is more well known as a coach. So we're going to throw it over to him right now. Dave Tippett. We're. Guys, we're going to take a minute, talk about pinned golf, pinned golf. The range finders, they got the caddy, which is the tablet. I had the range finder going the American flag range finder, all fouling cup, all fouling cup. 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Actually, our main host is in Flagstaff, Arizona, but then we just bought another. We were in Scottsdale for a long time and then retirement took me away from the hustle and bustle and I built the host up in Flagstaff, but now we just decided we just bought another one in Scottsdale. So I'm in Scottsdale right now just kind of taking care of things, but yeah, most of the time at Flagstaff or it's a little cooler. You look great, Tipet. I mean, you look younger now than you did when you were coach and no mustache, full bearded. You know what, biz? I don't have guys like you and yes, they got to worry about all the time now. My biggest worry is the 16 year old grandson now. So that's a lot easier than you guys. I think we could do a whole podcast on times that I got called in for my dumb tweets and all the shenanigans. That's all I want to hear about. I know. I played for every coach forever and I'm just like, what was it like coaching biz? Tip never coached him. It was more Dave King just bag skating him. Tipet was coaching the real players. You know what? I think that was good for you, biz. So he thought you're a lot of stuff there like he was he's not a master, but Yeah, and you know what I tell you it was just I don't know if you're tweeting when you got to Arizona It's a bit but just after you started and it got to somebody kept telling me is this is tweeting this stuff And I didn't know what a tweet is or I've still never been on a Tweeter I've never had any kind of social media, but but so these the member rich there in our media guy This is tip you got to watch what business putting on this tweet stuff So I so he's bringing these in and showing me in the morning, and I'm just laughing my ass off, you know and and then there was a couple times it went over the line Oh, yeah, so he brought it down me because he goes dip I don't know. We might have to talk to biz about this a little bit, you know So I said well just bring me show me his tweets every morning when you come in my office. Just show me that he's doing and and I was just laugh, but then but then there was a few nights like the night in Winnipeg That was the matter stuff ever seen you not well until the Rafi Torres Halloween costume tweet Yeah, that was a good one the one you know the guy that was more scared than I was at that the Winnipeg win was a Bronco or Travel that's right because they called him over what it was a $10 bottle of water And they were kicking our whole team out of the hotel because biz tweeted what is this 10-dollar water? Wait, I don't know they actually are they tried to boot you guys or they did I had to go back with my Well put it this way there's nowhere else to stay in Winnipeg So there's nowhere else to go But yeah, yeah, that was that was one. I was just getting ready. You know my dad lived in Winnipeg I was just getting ready to go to dinner and all said and Bronco tweets there calls me and says we got an issue Tip they're kicking this out of the hotel Oh, it might mind you this 9,000 free waters in the in the Mille room downstairs Just the fucking loser rookie idiot healthy scratch Almost cost we lost that game too on my eye. I wanted to crawl under under under the bus under the plane I don't know if you knew about like the fact that they wanted to kick us off until like after pregame skate cuz we had pregame skate and you seemed like you were in a pretty jolly Mood and then I remember I started a bag scheme with Jimmy play fair and then you skated over to him You said something and I could tell there was no no no more buddy buddy between me and Jimmy play fair I'm like this like this bag skate seems way more aggressive than normal and as soon it was done I was like stretching my groin like and he's like tops you on the shim patty goes hey tip wants to see you in his office No, my wheels are spinning. I'm like what like what did I do look? What did I do? I couldn't I didn't remember that the the tweet Did I send it but the water so I get in and tips pacing back and forth I walk to the coach's office and he points at his computer screen And I see the little Fiji water bottle and I'm like no, no He goes get your gear off go back to the fair mart and apologize to the manager so we can fucking get pregame now They're holding back they're holding back the chicken breast for the rest of the team Everybody was lined up at Timmy's underneath on the in the walkway the underground tunnel Just to get some food before the game. Oh, that was brutal. Wait, so tip So that year was when you guys grabbed biz off waivers from Pittsburgh and camp right biz training camp No, this was a few years after that, but no, but I'm okay. So the year biz got there, right? Yeah, it was training campish Did you were you part of the decision to take him on waivers with Dawn Maloney just saying hey? We just grabbed this guy. Yeah We talked to him. We talked about it, but you know what we he was you were kind of stuck in between forward and defense And I think Pittsburgh had played you a few games on forward and we were looking for somebody for a little grit and Dawn asked me about it and and Biz showed up and I think it was a really good Match for both of us because we needed him we needed his energy and and He needed a change to get some ice time worked out good just never got over you and helicopter cocks in the locker room a tip Wow, I tell you what biz there was a lot of days and not just people in organization, but I used to have friends You know where I live and you were everybody's favorite player Somehow everybody was getting on Twitter and Between Twitter and your radio shows some of the stuff that was coming on I would have people tell me that they Just sat in their car and laughed at this. What was going on? So say we were trying we were trying to get fans all over the place It was it it was a good Organizational pluck because we got we got entertainment and hockey player Yeah, not much game action, but you got it all all the other shit We had we had some good times. Oh, it was unbelievable like those teams like let's shift the focus over to Jans like I mean Like you probably had had been you'd seen him play because you were in Dallas before you Got to Phoenix, but I mean just like that the the last that he would bring the locker room And I don't know if you know that he can do an unbelievable Dave Tippet impression I'm not gonna do that right now. Well, we got Dave Tippet on the line here Busy tell them the chip story. I don't know if you know is it it was right before trade deadline and Kyle chiptor I believe we were in Winnipeg at the time and I called them on the hotel phone Pretending I was you and I'm like a chip. It's tip again Need you to come down to room 607 to get out of a chat with you about the deadline coming up and he comes down And I'm looking at him through the people. He's like almost crying and I opened it up. I'm like, I got you fucker I didn't know that story that's a good one. Yeah Hi, you got the other funny Jans stories tip. Well, you know what? Jans was Jans was like I I knew him a little bit like you say from Dallas But I got there and everybody loved Jans like he was everybody's friend, but he was like He was like a young bowl on the ice. He's just running all over the place, right? So As Jans started to mature a little bit and Jans was kind of Alfie was the first to decocha had with me there and and he was kind of in and out and and Jans how old were you then Jans? It was you know your second or third year and he won like that 2021 and his play was a little erratic and all He would play a little more sometimes and a little less sometimes and I think it was the second year when Jimmy Playfer came and we had a bunch of injuries and Jimmy played Jans. I think it was almost 35 minutes one night And you were unbelievable and that just stayed like that the rest of the time you were in Phoenix It just for easy how that works it went from 15 minutes to 30 minutes and I Think you're a top three the scoring there a couple years worse. Yeah, so it was That was that was a nice surprise right there that you just went from From an erratic kid to a 30-minute Minute-muncher and getting lots of points and we had good teams there like we had good teams We had good guys around you like oh Derek Morris was a great guy around your oaky Jobo was there for a year. I mean we had we had some really good people around but and Z was there I mean, it's those were those teams. I think With the epitome of What a team should be like we had so much fun We everybody liked each other. There was nobody like there was little niches here and there like with the year we had bid or Yeah briz in goal like he was kind of on his own planet. He was on his own planet But he was still like he was a big part of our team. Oh, you know, not just because he was a good goalie because He was the planet he was on he would step in for the games and he'd play. Yeah, he was unreal And we worked with them like he was one of the only guys that remember we were we were a practicing out in Glendale And then we didn't want to go out there for morning skate. It was too far to go So but briz always wanted to have morning skate. So him and burky would go out there alone and then And most days I would give briz the day off the day before because he was playing so much There's a weird circumstance that we would have we would be looking for a goalie for a practice, you know The day before But I tell you what briz is get in there and he'd stand on his head for us and it worked for it and also We had everybody had their little niche on the team. It was it was There was a good group a really good group tip. I'll never forget the uh The old bowl and the young bowl story that you told me but it's basically what you said and I don't know if you can tell that story what of this of the young bowl and the old bowl Wow, we're that was when you were kind of changing, you know, because You were a guy that you wanted to do everything you wanted to just get that puck behind your net skis as far as you can and and see what happened and sometimes that worked is sometimes it didn't And and briz would briz would get yans. What are you doing? Yeah That fought on me. So I remember I I was in this, I think you were sitting in your stall one day, it might have had something might have happened the night before, whenever we sat down and I'm sure a lot of people know about the old bull and young bull and I was telling them you've got to turn into the old bull now because young bull, you see all the cows down there and you just want to run down and fuck one of those cows and then the old bull, you walk down and fuck them all. So that was the day that the ants turned into an old bull right there. It really hit home. He just starts doing sea cuts instead of taking strides up the ice. Yeah, he just he was, he was, he was live stream. He just dumped it off and watched everybody go up the ice and did back there with a smile on his face, you know, started playing in a rocking chair. Oh, my God. Hey, speaking of bag skates, though, and Alfie would, would bag you pretty hard though? You're like first year or two. Yanns, when you were there, like you were kind of in and out of the lineup to some degree. Yeah, Alfie was nasty to me, but I needed it. I needed it all. But yeah, he was, remember, Alfie, he was still an unbelievable shape. Like he'd do the skates with me. I mean, his knees barely worked, but like he would, he'd be out there doing the skates with me. But we'd go like probably 30 minutes after practice, just me and him bag skates. Straight bag, nopox straight bag, nopox. Yeah. And Jimmy play fair was bad with me too. But I end up loving Jimmy. Me and him, we butted heads in the beginning and then we end up loving each other. Tip, like you were, you guys had some really good teams in Dallas, like that your second last year Detroit, you lost Detroit college finals. They were incredible. And then you missed the playoffs and, and you move on to Phoenix. Did you and all they hadn't made the playoffs in years and all of a sudden you get there and you're in three years in a row. Like, what did you know about Phoenix or that team when you went there? Well, it was, it was kind of a weird situation because the Phoenix was, they were caught up in that bankruptcy, you know, and I got let go. They changed general manager and everybody in Dallas. And so I got let go at a couple years in my contract. And Don Maloney called me and said, look, this is a situation we're in. Would you ever look at coming out here? And I kind of looked at their team, you know, the one thing they had, I love, you know, donor, obviously, great leader. They had some parts there that said, you know, they're a better team than they're showing. And so I ended up, actually, I didn't even get there in training camp because there was a, there was a bunch of stuff going on with the ownership thing. And I wanted to make sure the two years left of my contract was, was, you know, I still got that. And that wasn't going to be tied up in the bank rupture and everything. So it was kind of a pain in the ass to start with that funny story about that start because I hired Dave King to come along with me. And still clear. I couldn't rush. All right. Yeah, I'd been in Russia and I had King Aaron both the Olympics I played in and we were good friends. He's, he's like a mad scientist coach, right? He's just, he's one of the most knowledgeable guys in the world and in, you know, a structure of hockey. But so I wanted to bring him in. And, but he went there about a week early. I couldn't, I couldn't get in. They wouldn't let me come to the team until all this legal stuff was done. So and Alfie and I played together for a long time in Hartford and Pittsburgh. So Alfie was still there. He was running a camp. I was talking to Alfie as camp was going on and he was running all the stuff. And, and so King or came in there was about a week before and I think you guys, I think it was an exhibition game up in Glenn's Falls or, or Spokane, Spokane or somewhere. Yeah. Or Everett. I think it might have been Everett. Yeah. And King or call or Alfie calls me. He says, King or God here. They just took him out on a stretcher. King is nice. He was, and I said, what? He goes, we were just sitting in the office and he, and he just jumped on and was down. And I guess he was dehydrated. So I don't know. I left. I said, Alfie, what is going on? He goes, I don't know. I think King is dead. I was in, I was in the room and PD, the video guy, funny as hell, and he just kept y'all on King or dead. King or dead. Yeah. He was alive and well. But, but then we got there and, and you know what? It was just, it was such a fun place to be around. We had, all the guys were, I think the whole bankruptcy thing is galvanized things. And, and we just had so much fun. I, I laugh now. I look back. I remember Gary Batman called me and said, thanks, Tipper, you know, coming in there because the league basically owned the team. And, and, you know, saying, you know, it'll be, I think things will be resolved in like two weeks or a month. Things will be resolved. We were still like five years later. Yeah, exactly. And then we got owners and it, and the league treated us so well, but the owners came in and kind of changed the whole dynamic of it. So it changed a lot then. But we had, it was, those were the, some of the funnest years of my coaching career, those first three, because we had, we were under, you know, we're overachieving all the time, having fun. Teams were all say, oh, we should beat that team, but we'd always walk out, but you didn't, you know, so we, we had, we had a good trip, really good trip. The first year, you guys won 50 games that year. That's a good, yeah. That's a season right there. And then the year we went to the conference finals, we won our division. And I don't think that it happened since like the Ronik, um, and, and Kachuck era. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we, and then, then Brizz took off. I think after year one, Brizz left, he signed that big deal in Philly. And then I think that you had had Mike Smith and Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I really felt that you and Don Maloney worked so well together to get guys at great value. And then like, essentially resurrect their careers. Like Mike Smith came in and I think that he win the Vesna that year or was he like second voting? I think it was in the voting area. Shmitty was a good guy. One of the hardest days I ever had in Dallas was, we traded Shmitty and Jeff Halperen, I think, to Tampa. And I like Shmitty a lot. I remember the first day I walked into, we drafted Shmitty and he walked in long hair and he, he just looks like an athlete, but he was just a raw like 18 or 19 year old kid. I just looked at, I remember I looked at Doug Armstrong and said, who the hell is this? That's Shmitty. He's the goalie. But I tell you what, he's still one of my favorite players all the time. I'm probably one of the best athletes. I think I've ever coached. He is an athlete. But you know what, I had him in Dallas and where he started and then we got him in Phoenix and then I took him, I convinced Kenny Holland to bring him up the Edmonton 2 where he was really good. So he's one of my favorites that one. But he opted a lot to, he fit in well with our group there. Yeah. And he was so good at playing the pocket. Obviously, you had Marty Terco, who was really good at playing the pocket too. And I'll never forget you said, yeah, and he might cost you a couple of minuses every year. But like, you're not going to get hit nearly as much because of how good he was at playing the pocket. And we were never in our own end because of that. No, exactly. I remember I tell you a funny story about Dallas is we had Sergei Zubab, who was an unbelievable player, right? And and smart defense and move the puck on blue. I remember there was we had I forget who our backup goal he was. I think it was Ron Tugnut. And we had Turk who I like to play all the time and the D loved them, you know, they just move the puck so much. But when we put Tugnut in, Tugnut couldn't move the puck very well. And Zubab was like he didn't want to play like he did. And Zubab says, yep, I don't know. I get hit too much like this. You know, you know. So, but when I know it, yeah, he was he was first guy off the ice after a game and brought me back to my first years as in the NHL. I remember the first day I walked into the NHL dressing room. They had a snow, no smoking in the dressing room. Yeah, sign on. I got holy crowed. These guys smoke, you know, but but Zubab would be the first guy off. You'd have a smoke in the in the shower before anybody else got there. Yeah, maybe smoke in a dish like on the in the road or even at home at home too. Yeah, he'd be he'd be he'd sneak in there as quick as he could eat. You have a smoke and they'd be out for anybody else got in there. But but anyway, he he, Shmitty's puck moving, you know, Turk helped him a ton. Shmitty was a great athlete too. But then when he got to our team in Phoenix, it changed the whole way we played back there because we had good defenseman, but but we played way less in our zone. And now and then like you say, he'd give up one but he'd say a lot more than he ever give up. Oh, yeah. It's kind of crazy that Biz and Keith have both told me a bunch about Sean Burke as the goalie coach. Oh, yeah. I mean, how many different goalies has he just like completely not fixed, but just changed their careers because like Devin Dubnik went to you guys. Yeah. Then he became incredible. Mike Smith, he's done in a lot of places. So had you known him prior? Yeah, we played in the Olympics together in 92. He was our goalie and I was playing for Washington and Washington. That's when pros could good play. It wasn't the it wasn't like stop in the league or anything, but Washington let me go and play in the in the Olympics. I played for Dave King in 84 before I started. It was 84 Olympics in Serie A. Well, and then I signed with Hartford, but I was with sour going to the Olympics and we love it. off in the bronze medal game to Sweden, we were all a bunch of kids, and then Kinga asked me if there was any chance the Washington would let you go, because I was getting long in my career there, and they would poil let me go, and then Burke was our goalie. We had a good team, we had Lindros and Joey Juno, and a pretty good team, and we ended up losing to Russia in the gold medal game, so I got a silver, but Schmitty or I mean, Burke was our goal, and he was unbelievable, unbelievable, and then you know what, he had great success with the big gold tenders, because Burke went through it in his career where he had to change a little bit, and I think his thing was to go a little deeper in the net and use his size, so all those guys that came through, he really kind of put his stamp on them, how he changed his career, and like you say, he helped a lot of guys, like he made a lot of guys a lot of money, just by you know getting their career back going again. I'd love to talk about your playing career, and you just brought it up, it kind of answered my question, because I saw you played in that Olympics in 92, but you were in the NHL, so that guys were going from the NHL then, was that common? Yeah, the head there was, well it was the first time that they were letting pros play, the North American pros, you know, so there was, there was probably a handful, there was Kurt Giles and Dave Hanna, myself, and there were some guys like Eric Lindos, we'll see young guy coming in, Joey Juneau was young guy, Burke was in that too, like Burke was looking for a job, he had left to go play with the Canadian national team, so he was holding out with Hartford or something? I forget what it was, but he wasn't playing the league, he might have been in a contract dispute somewhere, and he knew King Air from before too, so it was you know what, King Air asked me at the start of the year, would you ever talk to David Poil about it, so I talked to David Poil, and he said well let's visit it as the year goes on, and we had a good team in Washington, we were well in the playoffs by February when we had the league or whatever, and I remember David Poil, I went in, it was about a week before Team Canada left to go to the Olympics, and King Air told me I said you want to talk to Poil, I said well, and I went in and talked to him, David said no, I don't think you know things are going good right now, I was playing on a line with Dale Hunter and Dino Cicerelli, and I was you know having a pretty good year, and then the day before they were supposed to leave, Poil called me at seven o'clock in the morning, and when the general manager calls you seven o'clock in the morning, that's not usually a good thing, unless it's Keith being the general manager, and he said, "Tip, we decided, you know we got some young players, we're solid in the playoffs here, if you want to go, go," and I called King Air, and King Air said, "We just put our list in, let me see what I can do, so you call me back about half an hour later," he goes, "Yeah, you're in, if you want," and so I was living in, where was the, just outside of Washington there in an apolis, right, that afternoon I got on a plane, I flew to Iceland, I stayed the night in Iceland, flew into Sweden the next morning, and we played, I played the final game of the Globe and Cup, and then we went straight to the Olympics, and I played in the Olympics for the 10 games, and I got back, I cracked a rib, but I was still playing, and they were freezing it up, I got back to Washington, and I didn't play for two weeks, it wouldn't let me play, so I missed about a month, and I told Poil, he said, "You don't have to pay me, and he paid me anyway," so it was, it was a good experience all the way around. That's unreal. That must have been so much different from your first Olympics too, being a young guy, and you were the older guy with all those young guys, I must have been a cool experience, is that kind of where you figured maybe you'd be a coach one day? Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I was lucky the coaches I had, the junior coach I had was Terry Simpson, who coached in the Islanders, and Billy a little bit. Different guys, he was a real rugged guy, we had tough teams and hard coach, but when you're a junior player, you need that, and then Geno Gasparinia College, we won a championship, and then Kinger, who was really a top, top tactician guy, and, you know, so I don't know, I had good coaches long away, but I kind of just, you know, you finish the, you finish playing, you don't want to play anymore, and you just, what are you going to do, and I wanted to stay around the game, and the year that I actually was going to quit, I played in Philadelphia, and there was going to be a lockout the next year, I had two young kids, and so I ended up going to Houston, and I was going to be assistant coach with Houston, and they were an expansion team, and so they were having trouble finding players, so Pete Denean was the GM, he said, "What'd you play?" So I was, I was going from the NHL, and I went to Houston, assistant coach in Houston, I was going to make 35 grand, and they said, "If you play in coach, we'll give you 75 grand." And I said, "You know what, here's what we're going to do then, all the things they never, ever let me do in the NHL, like, power play, and all that fun stuff, I'm doing it all." Right? I had to chewed out, I played point on the power play, I did it, I did it. Good on, yeah, I did, I did. 66 points, yeah, you showed up. Points, yeah, so we weren't a very good team, we were an expansion team, but I had a lot of fun, and the next year, I remember I went to, you know, how the guys are skating before camp, and I was thinking I was going to play one more year, and I'm skating with everybody down in Houston, and about two or three days before camp started, I was skating and we'd bagged each other out there, and I just, I came in the dressing room, I was sitting on the bench, I took my equipment off, I put it in the bag, and I picked up my bag and walked out of the rink, and I remember Steve Subner, the trainer was looking at me, he goes, "Tip, why are you taking your equipment?" And he goes, "I'll talk to you tomorrow, and I went home, I put the equipment in the garage, I told my wife, I'm not playing anymore, I'm going to go in the office tomorrow and say, "Hey, if you don't want me to hear, I'm not playing anymore, I'd like to coach, but I'm not playing anymore, and you let me know," and they said, "All right, you can be a system coach," and I probably went down to 35 grand again, but at that point, my body was just like, "I'm not doing this anymore," and that was one bag, Steve, too many, and that's when I quit playing. So not one of those, like, "I wish I was still playing regrets," you just knew, is that so? No, I just said, "I'm not doing this anymore," and started coaching, and then that year, I was just a system coach, and they fired the coach halfway through, and I took over the team, and then I was head coach for two years, and I was general manager coach for two years, and then my fifth year, we won the Turner Cup, so that, you know what, talk about, that was one of the best experiences, I would recommend that to any coach that, like, start in the minors, a system coach, head coach, and then you're even dealing with contracts and stuff like that, and then travel. I remember I left there and went to Los Angeles as an assistant coach, and the first meeting I was sitting in and looked with King's Dave Taylor was the GM. I remember everybody introducing themselves around the room, and I just sat there, I said, "I did that job, that job, that job, that job," right? It was the best experience to give me experience to move up in the coaching ranks that I could ever have had. That was fun time, especially when you win, and it didn't matter if it's minors or whatever, we had a great, you know, a fun group, and we won, and I looked back at that, that was a key for me in trying to move on to an NHL coaching. Before we get back to your playing days, was it intimidating going from being an assistant in LA to all of a sudden your coaching in Dallas, where they'd kind of been what, just want to cup like two, three years prior to all of a sudden your head coach of like Madano, you mentioned Zubov, like, what was it like your first year's NHL head coach? I'd been coaching enough, so I felt comfortable, you know, you get behind the bench, and you at least you feel like, you know, what the hell you're doing, you know, a little bit, but it is intimidating, you get to the NHL, and especially expectations were high, like Doug Armstrong is a great general manager, but he's, they had high, high expectations, so it's, it was kind of interesting, you know, jumping in there, but had good people like I knew Madano from before, my brother actually coached Madano in Junior, so I knew Madano from before, my trainer from Houston was actually the equipment manager there, so I was comfortable with the people, I was there, Rick Wilson, the assistant coach, was actually my coach in Junior from the same hometown in Prince Albert's Saskatchewan, so I was comfortable with the coaching staff there, it was, it was a, I had a couple other opportunities, and Dallas was the one that I thought was the best bit, so it made the transition easier. You're from Prince Albert, it says Mussolman. I was born in Mussolman, little town in southern Saskatchewan, but moved away from there, you'll like this, I was Mussolman, and then Regina, and then Prince Albert. Albert. Beautiful. How did North Dakota find you or you find North Dakota? I mean, we've talked to a lot of guys that played college back when it wasn't that common for Canadians. And a lot of them were at North Dakota, it seemed. Yeah. My brother had left it. There's a few teams. The college teams were, did a lot of scouting in the Tier 2 Junior leagues in Canada. And North Dakota took a lot of players from out west there. My brother ended up going to Michigan actually. He played four years at Michigan. So there was kind of that template was, he was an older brother. So we had been down there a couple years. You know what, I was a small, I had a chance to play major junior and I didn't, didn't take it. And I was a smaller guy played Tier 2 Junior and, you know, had some, some colleges kind of look at me and finally North Dakota jumped out and they were the, they had just won the national championship, I think year before, two years before their facilities or coaching everything was just top notch. So, you know, went there, our freshman year, there was six freshmen that played on that team. And we won the national championship in my freshman year. All six fresh, all six freshmen played in the NHL. There was James Patrick, Dave Donnelly, Gord Sherman, and myself. We only played two years and then we went to the Olympics at Rick Zombo and then Jim Archibald. All six guys played in the NHL. But we wanted this team had Craig Lugwig too. Did he have those shin pads then? Oh, yeah. Lads was, Lads was, he had those, we had Craig Ludwig, we had Troy Murray, Phil Sykes. I think there were 16 guys on that team that played pro, not all in NHL, but off of college team played pro. So, I needed that. And you know, when you come from junior, that's back in, I mean, you're looking at early 80s. We weren't even lifting weights in. I mean, I played soccer in the summer to stay in shape, not lose weight. And you get to college, you play two games a week and I needed it. I was a small guy that I was playing 150 pounds and you go and you work out all week and then you play two games in the weekend. That was exactly what I needed. So, happened to turn out right place at the right time. Being that small coming up, like when you were in college was there hopes that you were going to play in the NHL or was it kind of like I'm going to take this as far as I can. No, you know what? My last year junior, playing in Prince Albert, we won the Centennial Championship, the Canadian Championship. And Terry Simpson was our coach and we had five guys drafted off our team that year. James Patrick was ninth overall off of tier two team. And I remember Terry Simpson came to me and said, "Tip, there's some teams out there. They're maybe talking about drafting you." And I said, "Oh, that'd be great." He said, "Do you have an agent?" I said, "I have no agent. I have nothing." Right? So, I said, "I'm not sure what's going to happen." And so I didn't get drafted. I was undrafted and they went to North Dakota and there was a guy named Dave McNabb. It was a scout for Hartford. And he came up to me one day in North Dakota and introduced himself. And to this day, I probably owe him a huge thanks because he was one of the guys that was really kind of behind me to say, "Hey, we're watching you. Keep going. Do your thing." And then I ended up being captain of the Canadian Olympic team after two years. Emil Francis was a GM in Hartford. He came to see me with Dave McNabb one time and as soon as the Olympics were over, I sighed with Hartford one straight there. So I got one scout that liked me and didn't, you know, I was getting a little bigger. I thought maybe there was some potential. And then I was so scared. I got to the NHL. And back then, if you ever got hurt, you're a kid. You never want to get out of the lineup. I played my first 417 game straight without missing one. Not quite as good as you, Jans. Yours was a little ahead of that. But I played 417 games straight and never missed a game. I was scared and held to get out of the lineup. I think I'd never get back in defensive center. That's what you were like a third-line defensive center. You were telling me that you were sometimes responsible for shutting down Camille and back then you were just basically. I was going skiing. Yeah, that's exactly. He'd elbow me in the head going down the ice and I had my stick wrapped around. But yeah, I was center. I was center all the way and then I got to Hartford. They had a guy named Mike Zook. When my first year was a defensive center and then they traded for Doug Jarvis who was my centerman for about three or four years. So I switched the wing. But a lot of those big guys I used to get and it was no fun. They'd just beat the shit out of me. But I still try to do my job. But I'll tell you a funny story about that with and you guys know Wayne. I know Wayne well now too. But the first time I went into Edmonton, our coach is Jack Evans and Edmonton's lineup was written on the Blackboard. Jack took my number and circled it and said, "You got 99 tonight." I go, "Oh, shit. This is what my tenth game in the league, you know?" And so I'm out there first shift. I'm out there. I'm following Gratz around and I'm just like he's going places. I'm going like, "What the hell's he doing over here?" There's nobody here, you know. And it was about a minute at the end of the shift and he took a stick and we were both skating up there and he kind of stuck it in front of my skate and I tripped over and they called him for tripping. And their bench exploded, right? I'm skating back to the bench. I got some make-just screaming at me. Don't go near him again. I'm 10 games in. I'm going, I just tripped Wayne Gratz. And now his team is going to kill me, you know? So that was my job for a long time to chase people around and stay with people. And that was that line that night. You know what? I ended up even. He got a point on the power play but not I didn't, I didn't he didn't get anything. He probably was so like this little guy chasing me around. I'll just do it. You know, like too much aggravation for tonight, you know. It's six points the next night. Yeah. But I just got through that. Dave King had hatched a plan from the Olympics that year. Pat LaFontaine was on the US team and we had hatched a plan that I was going to shadow LaFontaine all night. And and we did it. We were in Germany for two games before the Olympics. And there was this guy named Eric Kunakl, who was their big star in Germany. So we played two exhibition games and I did it to this Kunakl guy. And he was like six four. He was like a legend in Germany. And I remember him looking at me like, what are you doing? I'm following him around the ice, you know, because King and I were trying this, you know, this is what we're going to try on LaFontaine. There was the first game of the of the Olympics. And King or so just go follow him around. And this Kunakl guy's looking at me going, you're an idiot. Like, whoa, why you following me around all over the place? And I couldn't tell him. I don't know if he could speak English or not. I couldn't tell him, hey, we're getting ready for the Olympics here. But we went in that we ended up beaten US and LaFontaine didn't get anything that first game. And and that was the game we needed to win if we were going to win our pool and in the Olympics. But that's that's where that came from. King or had me chasing people around. Is that the first you'd ever heard of shadowing? Like was that the like when you told you that? Yeah, we were talking about yeah, like that. Like he, you know, I had different parameters. He would give me you you stay above the top of the circles in the offensive zone. You find them wherever he is, you find them. And as soon as he got above the top of the circles, you got him all the way all the way and just follow him around the around the end zone. And we did it for two games in Germany. So the D knew that they weren't going to get help, you know, like the from the centerman being in the middle. And he just I stayed with them all over the ice all over the ice. Above the top of the circles in his end. Yeah, you know, who is this teammate and Hartford Danes is Johnny Anderson. Ooh, yeah, we had he had him as an assistant. Yeah, he was an assistant coach. He was the best round his bike to work. Yeah, Johnny. Johnny is a beauty. Oh, he was a coach in Atlanta, right? Yeah, he'd come back in the back of the plane to sneak some wine. Then go back up front. It was he I loved Johnny. Yeah, Johnny was I played with Johnny at Hartford too. You know, funny story about that when he got traded to Hartford. So he was in in Quebec and they were we were playing Quebec. And after the morning skate, Johnny got traded to us and we traded Dave Babich to not David Wayne Babich to them. So Johnny, I think he morning skated with Quebec in our rink and showed up for the game and played for us. Yeah, yeah, that's the old time hockey right there, isn't it? Save some money on travel. Yeah, Johnny was great though. Yeah, and you'll remember this. Remember the game that we won it was game six in Chicago. I think that was oh yeah, that was that that closed it out. The first period Chicago is out shooting us like 25 to three or something like that. And Johnny walks down the bench to me goes. Yep, I just thought I'd bring it to your attention. We're getting out shot 25 to three. I said, Johnny, I'm well aware of that. It's called the rope. Yeah, we say, come on Shmitty. Keep going. Shmitty's getting IVs in between periods. Yeah. You'd have to get them after every game. - Oh, that was the series where I played one second the one game. - Oh, yeah. - You don't remember that? - I don't remember it. - My tie down. - Oh, you know what? - Yeah, you played one second and got thrown. And you know what, that was when Rafi, 'cause they were gonna come out and they said they were gonna kill everybody. When Rafi got suspended, Rafi that Chicago media didn't like me after that one. I went after the game. And they asked how would I thought of the hit. I said, well, there used to be a game called Frogger, you know, when a guy goes out and he gets in traffic and then he goes the wrong way. And it just doesn't turn out well for him. I said, Rafi, this hosting was just going the wrong way. And they didn't like that. They didn't like that very much. - Oh, man. - I'm looking at the roster of your first year. Another guy got to ask about, because he was so good to me and we're so close with his son Ryan, but Greg Malone. Was he beautiful in the locker room Big Bugsie, because he called him Bugsie too? - He was the OG Bugsie. - Yeah, Bugsie was a great guy. Great guy. In fact, that's back. We used to have, we used to have different roommates every road trip. I don't know, Jack Evans, this is when you're flying commercial and you had roommates all the time. I remember the first time we walked in with Bugsie, he goes, "Tip, the only rules are, there are no rules and there is no curfew." And he ripped the phone radar to the wall. (laughing) - Yeah. - Oh, so he's just like his son. - I love that. - Okay, I get it. I get it now. - Oh my God. - So he didn't get it from his mom. And he was always smiling too, just like Ryan. Both Bugsie's always smiling. - Bugsie played on a line with Bobby Crawford and Tori Robertson. And they were the funniest guys. Like they would come to the bench and they'd argue and then they would hit each other and it was just hilarious to watch them. They were like our third line and just hilarious to watch them. But they were all with so happy for each other when one of them scored. It was just like, Bugsie was like a glue guy on a team. He was a great guy, great guy. - And what was Q like as a player? Like what was he like being around when he was playing? - Was he always about the horses even when he was playing? - Yeah, he was, that was, he liked the horses. He used to call it a move called the lizard. And it was, he used to call him slow mojo, right? Like he wore these big landscapes and was slow and a guy would go around him on the outside and then he'd just take a stick and he'd stick it in his arms somehow and he'd just flick a stick. There flip his arm and the guy would lose the puck. Like the guy looks like he's around him and then he'd just give him the. - Can opener. - Can opener and the guy would lose the puck. Joe would laugh at guys like it's like, he's letting them skate by him just so he can do the can opener on him, you know? He probably couldn't play now. I mean, obviously that's, that's suspension almost now. (laughs) But yeah, Joe was, we're good teams back. You know, it's kind of an underachieving team but they have mid-80s teams in Hartford. We're good teams. We got Mike Lyud as a goalie. It was a really good goalie and then the rest of it was just a bunch of kind of journeymen other than Ronnie Francis and. And we had good teams there. Real good teams. Joe was a good solid player. - Was he one of those guys you could tell was gonna be a coach as well? - Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was always a smart player and then but right after he retired, he went into the stockbroker business and he was a broker. So I thought he was gonna get away from it. - Oh, too? - Yeah, yeah. He was a stockbroker. We had this guy who used to help a lot of guys in the team and that guy kind of took him under his wing. And so he was in the stock business for a while and then decided. I think Mark Crawford was a friend of his from somewhere and took him up to Toronto's farm team. Up in, might have been in the following up there whatever the rock. So he went up there for a few years and then went to Colorado with Crawford, I think. And went a cup there and that's the rest of his history from him. - Damn, so he got one as an assistant too. - Yeah, he got three as a coach and a head coach and one as assistant, yeah. - Pretty wild here. So like John Anderson ended up being a head coach in the NHL, you Dean Everson was on one of your teams. - Alfie. - Yeah, Alfie, who did he, I don't know if he was ended up not a head coach, but-- - Not a head coach, but Kevin Denaine. - Kevin Denaine, like so many guys. - Yeah, there was, there's been a couple of people write stories about how many players off those mid 80 teams that have all went on to coach. - And then Ray Ferrero was another guy who ended up going into the media world, but was he always a chatterbox in the room about it all? - Yeah, yeah. - Did you see that coming? - Without a doubt, Chris. Well, I think, you know, normally, guys would get initiated once when they get in. I think Ray might have got three that year. Just like that came in hot, essentially? - Yeah, he was a real heralded guy. I think the year before he got drafted, he scored 108 goals or something like that in the Western league and he came in. He was, he wanted a score. Like he would do anything to score. And, you know, he liked to talk and score. And, you know, he did a lot of both of it. So good, very successful, both. Yeah, finished with 408 NHL goals. - Yeah, he could score around the whole year. - The thing I took about, he like, he wasn't a very big guy, but he would take punishment to score. You know, not so much punishments to check or back check, but the score, he would take the punishment to score. He loved to score. But Ray raised a good guy, really good guy. Yeah, he just talked a lot. So he's in the right, he's in the right profession. - This picture, Dean Evanson, as I'm clicking on his profile, what a mullet he had back. He was on Washington then. Oh my God, this is unbelievable. Some of these guys pictures. - He was a hard-knosed player, you know, eh? Like, he was rugged. I remember he fought Doug Reisbrow three times in a game. Like, they went to, they fought, offered face-off. Got out of the penalty box, fought again. Next face-off fought again. Yeah, he was, he was a rugged little guy. He played hard. - I feel bad not knowing much about Tory Robinson, but 337 pims, 358 pims, 293. Like, talk about a fucking animal, this guy. - You know what, he was a great guy, but he was the only kind of grit or tough guy we had, and always had to stick up for everybody. Like, we ended up going and getting Dave Semenko at the end of his career. We had Tiger Williams, but Tory took the brunt of it early on, and I gave him a ton of credit because he, a lot like you, Biz, like, you weren't the biggest guy, but you knew what you had to do all the time, and he, like, Tory had to fight all the big guys. And then back when you're, well, you know, wetsy, you're playing in those division games, like, we had Buffalo, Quebec. - Boston. - Which really chopped Boston and Montreal. And, you know, you're dealing with Willie Platte, Nylon and O'Reilly, and like, those are back in hard, hard days. And Tory was a young guy, he wasn't, he was maybe a six footer, but he was, he was game. He was a grappler, you know? But he had to fight all those tough guys. I gave him credit. He broke his leg really bad in Montreal. I think that kind of slowed him down a little bit after, but, but, good guy. - Do you still watch a ton of hockey? Like, I'm wondering what you think of the game now. I mean, we talk about the speed and the skill, but watching it's so different from when you played and even started coaching, right? - Yeah, it is. So I still, I still do some consulting for Seattle. So I watch all their games. I talk to Lane Lambert probably a couple times a week, just given kind of what's called an unemotional view of what I think happened in the game, you know? And not, not necessarily tactically, but just, you know, how the flow of the game went. And so I still, I do watch a lot of hockey. I think the game, the skill and the speed in the game is just, it's incredible now. Like that, that first period of the Canada US game in the Olympics, I don't know. I don't know if there's ever been a first, like a hockey game that fast, ever, ever. Those two tournaments within, you know, year of the Olympics and then the four nations, those two games with the Canada US are, that's as good a hockey as there ever been played ever, I think. It's just the talent, the speed, the, and I mean, coaching Connor for three years, it was, it's just out of this world, what he does, even in practice. And to see, to see players do those things at that speed, is a credit to where the leagues at. But the game, I don't think the game has ever been played better than it's being played right now. When it, when it, when it's at the highest levels, you know, the only other player that would probably compare to him that you played with her coach was, you played a year in Pittsburgh with Mario Lemieux. I think it was the year after they won their cup. Yeah, and he had 160 points. I was going to ask you about what it was like just playing with him for a year and experiencing that. And maybe what are the differences or similarities between coach and Connor and playing with Mario Lemieux? Well, Mario was, like that team, you look at the names on that team there, it was Lemieux. jogger, talk at Stevens, Joey Mullen, Larry Murphy, Murphy, Ronnie Francis. I think there's six Hall of Famers there. I'll tell you one funny story about that team. So Scotty Bowman was our coach, right? And so our power play was Mario and Kevin Stevens was net front up front. And then there was a right-winger. And then Ronnie Francis and Larry Murphy played the point. But there was three players that always that had to pick for that one winger spot. And Scotty always wanted jogger to go because he was a young guy and he loved jogger. And then we had Joey Mullen, who was a phenomenal player, was probably the best fit and scored 40 or 50 goals. And then we had talk, who when he didn't get on it, he'd get mattered and shit, right? So I was sitting, I was the fourth line penalty killer. I'd be sitting on the bench. I'd be watching Scotty, right? So Scotty would always want jogger to go and jogger would sometimes be potent. And he'd come off and be mad or whatever. And then Joey Mullen would be sitting there with a stick like this, not saying a word, and talk it was going to kill somebody if he didn't go, right? And I remember Jay Coffield and I, we used to kind of laugh at each other and try to bet which ones, which ones gets to go over, right? Because the other guys are all staying on. They're doing their two-minute gig out there. But then the other guy was, we always used to laugh how, you know, who got to go on the power play that time. But that was a phenomenal team. That was, I jumped over there for one year to try to win a cup. And we won the president's trophy that year. And then that was year that I only just beat us out in game seven of the second round for a ball, like in overtime, game seven, overtime. Mario was hurt. It was kind of a weird series because Mario was, I think he missed a couple games and there was two games or a game or two that he took warm up and then didn't play. So it kind of felt weird there a little bit. How about all the names you say? And then like Martin Strackel was 19 years old. Yeah. It ended up being incredible. But when I was in Pittsburgh, they would say, you know, because when I rookie, it was all the same training stuff still. They'd say that was the best team that they had. They won two in a row. And that was actually the best team. And they, you know, that upset us is nuts. That was when Kevin Stevens got hurt too. Yeah, that was the game game seven. Oh, did he break his lager face? Oh, face face. Yeah. And in midair by Rich Peylon and then landed on face. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just that was that's probably as worse injury as I've ever seen. Like just being in that game, it just changed the whole complex of the game. And yeah, and already Kevin was a really good guy too. Like a really good guy. It was that was painful. A lot of those guys that were real close to him on that team for a long time. And name you mentioned was that Jay Kofffield and everybody you talked to in those areas. I don't know much about him, but everyone just raves about him. Did you see him now? He's still shredded. Is he? Yeah. Well, you know, I'll tell you it. So I went to school with him. He was at North Dakota as a football player when I was a hockey player there. He was, he was, he was going to be a first-round draft pick, I think, in the NFL. And he heard his neck. So the doctor told him he shouldn't play, shouldn't play football anymore. So we were about halfway through the year. And he asked the hockey coach, could I come out and practice with you guys? So we had, we had a really good team. That's the year we won. Well, we lost the game and the coach was mad at us. So he shows up on a day that we're getting begged on a Monday, right? And, and I remember bending over in the corner. I just said, big man, you picked the wrong day to start. But he's, have you ever heard his story? It's an amazing story. I didn't even know that. Yeah. So he was in North Dakota. And he, he played a little bit of high school hockey in that one. He was the kids who we loved hockey. And all of, there was a bunch of NHL guys that would skate at North Dakota in the summertime in T-Chockey School. And he used to come back there in T-Chockey School. And James Patrick was, was a, was a pick 9th overall in the Rangers. One night during that summer, one of the Rangers scouts came to see James. And we used to play, you know, like a summer hockey there. So they saw Jay plan. So he asked, who's this guy? And, and the Rangers, I think the Rangers signed them right out of watching them play there. You're like, he's six four and he's, he's a monster. Like just, just unbelievable. But they signed him out of there and he ended up playing a new Haven. That's how his hockey career started. Never, never played junior anything. I don't think he played a college game. Maybe one game after I was gone, but, but one of the nicest people ever, in fact, my wife introduced him to his wife, Alicia. My wife and his wife were, were roommates at college. And, and they're, they've got a bunch of kids now. And they're, they're, he's still doing the same thing in Pittsburgh. Just one of the nicest people, yeah, we're going to meet. And yet he was, he was a tough guy. He, yeah, he would, he had to fight all the big boys. Yeah, one game at North Dakota. That's crazy. The one guy I was going to ask you about to finish off Pittsburgh was Tom Barrassel. I've heard some interesting stories about him. Just like, yeah, very confident guy. It's very confident. And, you know what, he was a good player when he, when he, it's like all goalies, right? They do whatever you want, just play good. Yeah. You know, the one thing I remember I told you, he always hated people of the word jeans. He was, he, he always worked khakis. He'd walk in. He was a well-dressed guy and always worked khakis. Kind of like a long quest before a long quest. I was a western Canadian, you know, Wranglers. Wow. Well, I mean, that like the, the Tuxedo jean jacket every time. He looked at me like I was like, who are you? But I like, I like trucks and motorcycles and we were just from different worlds, you know, so, but I like Tommy a lot. I got a long fine with him when, when he stopped the puck, I was all on his side. Biz, he played public high school hot, went, right? Didn't he play public high school at like acting in the box bar when then in the NHL? Act in box bar, fifth overall directly into the NHL. Like public high school shit. Like not even like that. But then it was, it wasn't then. Then it was like legit back then. Not like, not fifth overall into the NHL this year. Right. Do you still ride your motorcycle? I remember you had like a custom Dallas stars one. Didn't, uh, didn't the famous motorcycle guy build it for you? No, no, I build my own, he built one for Medano, but I've got, I've got two of them that I built myself. Yeah, actually I built one in Dallas when there was a local year. I was looking for something to do. So I decided to build one. I've still got both of them. I got a new hip about a year ago and I've got one hand that doesn't work very good. So, um, I don't ride them much. I like to play around and fix them and shine them up with their more art pieces and they are rideable, but I'll take them for a blast now. And then where did you learn to build motorcycles? You know what? I had one of my grandfather's. It was a mechanic and the other one was a carpenter. So I built cars and I still have in my garage and and Flagstaff. I have a 67 Mustang that I bought over 50 years ago for three hundred dollars. I thought I'll done up sitting there. Yeah, yeah, it's, uh, it's like, would you sell that someday or no? No, I've got a great time. I got, I got four grandkids and they've all claimed it already and but my daughter, my youngest daughter has claimed it before them. So somebody's going to get it, but, but, uh, now it's, uh, it's a keeper of that one. I bought it for three hundred dollars and I was 15 years old and then three days after I got my license, I totaled it off. Got hit in an intersection with it and I bought it back from the insurance company and I built it again and then it sat in a barn in Canada for 25 years. Well, sat there and then my dad took it out of the barn and did a little work on it before he passed away and then, uh, I've had it down in the States here maybe 10 years now, but you saw my motorcycles the best, didn't you? I, I remember you showed me, yeah, it's, it was funny because your Don Maloney was, it was driving his motorcycle too. He would go no helmet on the highway down the mountain. Every got a big cut and his, and his, he came. We, we all had Vespas. We'd come to the rank on Vespas and Donnie would come on his big Harley and one day he showed up. He had a huge gash in his head and still no helmet. No, he hit the brakes, but he had like the big windshield, but his head hit the windshield and he had a huge gash in his face. Yeah, I don't, I, I haven't, uh, I don't wear helmet either, but, uh, my, my riding days, I think we're over now. We got to talk about Connor and coach him a little bit, but, uh, a little bit more of him. We got to, we got to talk a little bit more about Shane Done. Um, was, was he the most level headed captain you ever had? Yeah, that he was, he was by far the best leader that I've ever seen. Like that, that was one of the things we talked about, you know, what happened when I got there and how, if, if he's not there to kind of control that dressing room, it's a whole different situation, you know, and he was, he was like, he was like a partner with me, you know, like he, we were on the same page and everything we were doing and, uh, he just, he just, a good player, a really good player, a great person, a great captain, a great friend. I mean, it's, you don't see too many people that have all that in one body. And the other thing I hate, like, he was a meanie too, like, he could get, he would snap, snap. - So, tip had this like, what was it called the 10 point game? - Yeah, it was, it was an efficiency number or something. I forget some crazy stat that I used to give guys like him to get engaged in the game. And it was, it was 10 points. I think it was for, you got one point for a shot on goal, one for a hit, one point for a point. And there was block shots and you had to try to get to 10 every game, right? Well, the one, the one, you know, he would try to get, I think he got to 24 one game or something. - It was an LA and I think he called, I think you remember this biz. - Oh yeah, I remember I was watching with Petey. - Yours was a two point game. - Up corn and a hot dog. - For biz, you know what I did? I actually tried to make biz feel better. So then I had the efficiency and I had the, had the video guy do it. So he, you had an efficiency number for how many minutes you played? - Nice. - You know what I mean? - But like biz, even a biz played five or seven minutes, he still had to get a hit or a shot on goal. Donor just would play 25 minutes so he could work chance. - I think you called Donor out or said something and then we went into LA and he must have had 12 hits. - Yeah. - Eight shots on that. I think he had three, four points that night and the efficiency number was like you said. Like mid 20s, maybe closer to 30. - Chase Brian Boyle down the hallway. Remember how the LA connected and chased him down the hallway, one to kill him. Then he was mad at me because I knew Brian Boyle. - Yeah. - Oh, so he was, why? - No, he made him delete his number out of his phone. After the game. - You know what though? Who's the guy from Water Boy, Bobby Bouchier? - That's it. I remember coming in the ice, I called Donor Bobby Bouchier. I don't know if he liked that or not, but I called him Bobby Bouchier. It was funny. All the other thing too was Donor, I think had had the NHL record for most two goal games and had never gotten a hat trick. And then you put him out there with Ray Whitney. Yeah, and you were on the ice too, right? - Yep. - And he ended up scoring a hat trick with like under a second against the Islander's slap shot over the blue line. - You know what, if it was any other team, they would have been mad, I think. But I think we were up by two goals or something and I left them out there for a long time, right? And everybody in the stadium knew he was going for it. I kind of felt bad because you're, you're, he's not mocking the other team, but it was just, everybody was so wanted Donor to do it so bad. And then when that goal, remember he adds, it was down in our end with like five seconds to go and everybody was kind of, oh, it's not gonna happen. And somehow Donor gets a buck up there and he shoots maybe a half a second left to go in the game. - He was so tired, he was trying to come off the ice and you were like, no, no, no, you're staying. When he was celebrating, you could just see how tired he was. - Oh, he's gassed, yeah. - That was the coyotes winning a Stanley Cup. - Yeah, oh yeah. - That one everybody's winning. - It's on YouTube and he stayed over the pool. He's literally skating like this before he get to the puck. - Yeah, that is hilarious. - But he stayed on the ice. He must've been on there 15 minutes after the game. - Yeah. - With a hat on. He had a cowboy hat on him. - He had a cowboy hat and all the hats and he had bag, they brought all the bags of hats and put him in his locker after. - Yeah, that was, it was a huge, huge thing for him. - It was literally at the buzzer. You were getting this. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh yeah, that moment and then closing out Nashville in five games at home. That was the whole, was it Rajulov? - Rajulov. - Yeah. - Even the twins. - The two twins. - Kostitsins. - Kostitsins, yeah, yeah. They were out right the night before. - Yeah, they set them up. - They set them up. - Yeah, hey. - Yeah, tell the truth, biz. Buddy, I knew all the bottle service girls that got you obviously. And they were saying that they were there drinking and they didn't like their drinks with ice and the waitress, they must've got like a new one 'cause the other one was busy and they put ice in their drink again and they would scoop it out and they would throw it on the ground and say, "No ice, no ice, my dear." - Yeah, you're not getting any ice tomorrow with the game either. - Yeah, yeah. - No more ice, the rest of the series. - Yeah, yeah. I forget who's the little announcer there who works for ESPN, Panger. So I think he, somehow he had heard that and all this stuff was going down. Somebody called me in the afternoon and I said, they said Nashville's got an issue and Radgelov and so we were waiting to see if he's gonna play and then they played him. Radgelov played that game but he was a dog and that's, we ended up, I think that wasn't a sighting game. I don't think was it, but it gave us the leg up in the series we needed, I think. - Biz mentioned this, but I gotta mention rowback first, last question here by rowback. Go to rowback.com for 20% off your first purchase at the end of the week that's rhoback.com and use code CHIC, L-E-T-S. 20% off polos, go to these joggers, more. Tip, Biz brought up McDavid and coachin Edmonton and I'm big, these guys give me shit, I'm the oiler sky on the podcast, but oftentimes I'll hear that he can't win, he can't win the big one. It's like, I don't know, the guy's getting 40 points in the playoffs, it's kind of hard to put it on him, but coaching him was he just, 'cause we have brought up he's very serious, he's very driven and, I don't know, as a coach, do you ever see that almost wish at times, he could loosen up a little or is it just not in his DNA really? - I think he loosens up all the time with his teammates behind the scenes, but that's good to hear. - Remember how Mario was? Mario was very, it's like, stole a very, a stoic, low profile, never liked the media much, like just very, you know, very cognizant of everything that's going around him and don't wanna bring attention to himself, that's how he is. And, you know, his play is like-- - It's crazy. - He could play on a winning team anywhere, you know? And, you know, he needs to keep out, he's gonna find his day. Like, it's incredible the things he does, you know? And at a speed, he does. And, you know, just the way he takes care of himself, just, I can't say enough good things to bottom. Like, he's, and knowledgeable about the game, understands what's going on. The one knock I could say about him, there's times when he would have an unbelievable game, like by points or whatever. And he was almost embarrassed by his success. Like, he wanted to shy away from it. And I always wondered the next game, if he's gonna just kind of downplay it and not have a good game, you know? And that's during the regular season. During playoffs, he always wanted to play top notch, but he's just, he's a good person. He's an unbelievable player, but he's gotta be, he's gotta watch everything he does because he's in a fishbowl so much. You ask any of the players there, he's a great teammate, really good teammate. And, but just has to be very, very cognizant of what's going on around him. Well, I'll tell you when he'll win, he'll win. I like it. That's what I just, I just can't keep saying. Like, there's no way you won't. I, you know, you're not going to be an Edmonton. Well, that could be a point. The ends, but we'll see how that goes. I think we're going to see how that goes the next year or two. Exactly. Oh, yeah, we are. But this has been great. We appreciate it, man. These guys speak so highly of you. I know you've never met, but it's kind of like you. I was blessed with so many amazing coaches. And you were so detailed and just all the little nuances of the game that I was able to learn while I was sitting there and riding, riding shotgun with you. Me and Johnny Anderson. Yeah. Well, I appreciate it, guys. You're two of my favorite for sure. I've been really blessed, you know what? I like having teams where you got characters on them and you got different characters. And you got to have fun in the game. Like, I was always, you know, there's a time to really be serious and time to dig in. But you got to have fun in this game. And guys like you always kept it fun. And I think that was one of the reasons we had the success we did. Phoenix's fun was a part of our agenda. And we had fun on the ice. And that's that turned into wins worse. So I appreciate it, guys. Oh, you're the best. Thanks for keeping in touch, guys. Oh, when did you set a law? If anyone likes coffee out there, you need to know about Stella Blue. Stella Blue coffee, ready to drink can latte. 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What a guy. What a show. Law on a golf talk, but it is love out on the cop. So shout out everyone for listening to me, ranting rave, shout out to you too for being such good friends. Keith, I do think it's very funny. We had your surprise birthday party and your birthday's in a month. Yeah, I was going to say it's not the September. What a party. It was the only time I'm going to be home in Boston to be able to have all you guys there. Yeah, yeah. It's very true. Very true. And we had a great time and biz. Keep it sweaty. Keep it sweaty. Okay, buddy. You keep my electrolytes. I got my electrolytes. Gotta be dancing. Gotta be smiling. All right, electrolytes. Liquid Gaston. All right, everyone. Endlessing guys, hockey fans. We are the ultimate hockey fans and I get very excited September 1st. Until September 1st, it's just not hockey. Hockey is a grind of a season. Don't you guys worry. There won't be golf talk. There won't be sweaty guys don't talk. 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