Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 658: Featuring Dave Portnoy

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But at the same time, Canada and US, in my mind, we are one. We are one. And to watch you guys. Now, if we somehow met in the World Cup. All of a sudden, it begins again. We're going to be doing separate pods by the time this season hits. Let's be honest, though. That's never going to happen. Yeah, I don't think that either one of our squads are our favorite to go far enough to meet each other. I don't think. I haven't looked at the bracket. But what an electric game. So I guess I'm going pinkies up for the Canadian men's World Cup team to win that game in just incredible fashion. Last minute. I think it was late penalty time or extra. Time, extra time goal. And it was in. Where was that game? L.A., I believe, too. Yeah. And so far, I stadium. And I guess Canadians. There was a chance at some point we may chat with the coach. I don't know. You mentioned that. I got a lot of negative tweets and like, oh, yeah, jumping on the soccer bandwagon. Like, I literally sent out a pump up video to their coach because Wayne asked me to Wayne. Wayne. Like, remember when we went to Edmonton and Wayne got asked. To, like, go in and pump up the oil Kings and you did. And he's like, yeah, where's the. Hey, where's the court jester? Bring him. Where's that clown? Clown nose. Yeah. Do the nose again. The best part about it is when had just finished shaving my my Peter man's business the day prior. So I come in and I take my ball cap off and I do a little pop up. So every time Wayne gets asked to do this. Now, and of course, he got asked for team Canada. He's like, all right, let's get, let's get biz firing up the boys. I would, I guess I'll ask the coach when the tournament's over. If we could play it on here, like how I fired him up and hopefully we get him on. He was going to come on, but I think that they had to travel to Mexico now where they're going to be playing their round of 16 games. So pretty crazy that it sucked though, because they, they lost against the Swiss. So they didn't win their division, which would have meant they would have played the round. Of 32 game in Vancouver, which would have been like the craziest. I think that would have been the biggest ever Canadian sporting event on. No, no, no. Cause your hockey 2010 Olympics. I know. Listen, I I'm, I'm saying from a sense of viewership because like, no, like, am I crazy here? I think so. Cause the game didn't mean anything. Right. It was no, but he's saying. If they would have played at home round of 32. Just because not only that amount of Canadian eyeballs, but the amount of world eyeballs, like now that you're in the knockout rounds, like I feel like not just Canadians are watching. So yes, yes. The Vancouver Olympics. Like if you could pull up the numbers, maybe it would have had out of the, out of the 35 million Canadians, what 15 million Canadians watch. I'm going to need some help from the back here. But I would say that if they would have played that on Canadian soil, you might've had, and maybe they still did have half of the televisions can't in Canada watching, but regardless. The viewership in America was 27.6 million on NBC and on Canada was 16.6. It says on, on that round of 30, no, no, for the Olympics, for the Olympics in 2010, if we had 27 million Americans watching Canada versus who they beat the other day, who'd they beat? Uh, they beat Qatar. They beat Qatar. Okay. No, that was the first game. Who'd they beat in the South Africa? South Africa. South Africa. If we had 27 million Americans watching that. I've been like, okay, I guess hockey's never sniffing soccer. Not that it ever would. Do we have the numbers on that game yet? Go ahead. Yes. Just for those people calling you a bandwagon fan of this, that's what everybody in this tournament is a bandwagon fan, especially if you're in North America, unless except for Mexico, no one in us and Canada is watching soccer. Like they are overseas or there are, I believe there are in the U S uh, not going to say an enormous group, but there's some huge. U S soccer fan. Actually, our guy PFT is like, he doesn't watch soccer unless it's team USA, like the national team. So I think that in a sense, it's getting bigger in the U S now, if the U S were to go on a run here, that could be in 10, 15 years. That's something that you could actually be like, holy shit. They went on a run in the U S I will say this too, considering it's the U S is hosting with Canada and Mexico. Any of those teams moving on should have automatically had the, at least round of 16. Of 32 game at home. I guess you can't do it based on like fracking and everything, but they should agree, but yeah, no, I, I would have liked to have seen that, but nonetheless, maybe a good thing on short rest. They go to SoFi and then you're outside of Canada where, Hey, maybe there felt like there was a little less pressure and just focus on the game and, and Booyah, man, they execute. And, uh, Portnoy had some pretty funny comments, like, like, like how, how did Canada all of a sudden become good at soccer? And here we are, man, round round, one of the best 16 countries, uh, uh, going at, I would have only known Alfonso Davies as the only Canadian soccer player before that tournament even began. Well, that's what I was going to, on your pump up video, you know, Wayne Gretzky comes on a pump up video for the world cup team. They're like, holy shit. How many guys do you think know who you are? Buddy? I legit say it at the start of the video. I go, boys, what an honor to be here. I said, you, I go 95% of you in that room have no fucking clue. Who I am right now, but you'll be generous. I go, one guy's like, I've seen this guy on rise all over my girl. I, I, so I panned down to this shirt right here and I said, you guys wouldn't know the guy who sent me over and it was from the Gretzky hockey school Jersey. So I, I panned down. They're like, Oh, Drake. Isn't that one of the old OVO, OVO, OVO. She's saying in the chat. Imagine the coach never, imagine the coach never showed it to the team. That's what we could find out if we ever, Hey, what if the coach never even asked for the video and it was foals? Oh, then that means one of you guys would have stored his number as 99 under 99. That would have been diabolical right there, but I'll, you know, we're going to get into all, we've kind of, uh, haven't mentioned the action around the NHL. We knew this was going to happen, but it's electric. We're going to get into, we are blessed. We're truly blessed. Our sport is continuing to impress. It's on the world stage now and it just keeps getting better and better and better. People are, are kind of hating the fact that we're somewhat on board with the super team thing. Like, I don't know about you guys, but this shit's exciting. And, and I do self-admittedly have to say this. So, so they beat Qatar, wasn't able to watch the game. Then they play against Swiss. I dial in. I'm watching. Well, of course they lose, right, because everything touch in canada turns to shit right the lee i left the leafs they got warensky and bobrovsky ready to sign they got gavin mckenna fucking you know collabing with little bieber on stage there everything chica's touching turns to gold and they fucking get the the the radish uh signed up for eight years so so i don't watch the swiss game or i do watch the swiss game they lose so i decide i'm not gonna i'm not gonna fuck things up for canada here i go on a big long hike during the game like literally as soon as it starts i go on the hike so obviously when i get service canada flags congratulations so i guess i am somewhat of a bandwagon fan but that's okay i'm kind of i think i've taken over for drake as the curse so i will i will not be tuning in to you won't watch a minute i will not okay okay okay so if you if you think i'm not loyal to the soil i will i'm gonna be walking around with a blindfold on like that fucking movie that the lady from uh what's the who am i thinking of which one she's got the blindfold on and she's like going through the forest uh sandra bullock i got no idea it's speed she's on a bus that's getting yeah not speed not speed i don't know is it like blackbird or something i don't know i don't know that's we're gonna need some help i will say though we did do a deal with draft kings where barstool is doing as a whole we got canada as our team so if canada does make we're in that and we picked i saw that and i was like are we we're in it so if canada wins if canada makes it to the world cup final we get a fifteen thousand dollar free bet courtesy of draft kings so we're pulling for canada boys and you know we're betting on the leafs to win the cup next year oh yeah business hopping right back in no i mean and i'll say this i'm not only loyal to the soil but you should be fucking gargling my nut bag right now for hopping off everything is gone your way literally give me the timeline of when i hopped off the number 12 lottery ball gavin mckenna bieber like tell me what else has happened um well i'm gonna pump your tires first buddy because i thought you'd come out guns a blazing at this a while back when all the heated rivalry discussion was going on and i don't know if it was live recording or at dinner you were like boys there are so many women that are going to be watching the nhl now and i was like what do you talk bro did you see those ratings did you see the ratings yes did you we talked about this at penn state when we were in that private room and all you guys are like rolling your eyes at me you guys you guys think i'm fucking stupid uh no i think you're a stupid genius so yeah part of it's true but you're also a genius you're a genius you're a genius you're a genius you're a genius in ways so i'm not just thinking you're stupid i think you're saying at this dinner i'm saying like these guys who were in this hockey show that have all of a sudden attracted all these women that are calling it the boy aquarium like all these all of a sudden all these rockets are at hockey games with guys jerseys on they're following them on instagram now you're seeing this follow page where like all these hockey guys are having to start unfollowing some of these these pages but these guys were all of a sudden on runways with valenciaga with eve saint laurent like you could tell the impact it was having on the female community and the draw so what were the numbers and growth from the female audience 138 from last season which is kind of nuts if you think all it took was a little cock sucking boys took a couple guys stand up 69 in each other that's what i'm saying in a fake hockey league and we got women watching this sport everywhere so shout out shout out the women watching how can they prove that i don't understand how they can prove it i i i that's way you just trust me for one time keith oh i trust you yeah no no he banged it out of the park he banged it for those of you saying we're being homophobic about this or what do you mean no no i'm saying about the fact that all it took was a little cock sucking we are we i i'm gonna vote for this right now and this might be a hot take we should be doing two pride nights per team next year i want two pride nights okay no she's saying also summer saying it was jack hughes and team usa they got women into hockey i i have no doubt that's part of it i swear to god you should get some credit i'm gonna put that at 15 i'm gonna put those two guys licking each other up and down in a fake hockey league at 85 so let's do a poll let's do a poll what's the poll let's smoke a poll and do a poll shout out women watching the amazing shout out to the ladies hey and since we're on the ladies topic we are going to have three females uh attending what development camp for the edmonton oilers yes we got uh abby murphy i just read um chloe uh prima primarano primarano i hope i'm saying that right and caitlin kramer so i mean i might put my 15 000 free bet if canada reaches the world cup final one of those girls to make the oilers next season i'm telling you that's that's where we're headed now boys we're we're buzzing around taking over we got the pwh oh late uh layla edwards was crushing the draft scene so i think we kind of want to start with um we want to start with the players we know the players that are established the guys who are moving around like we haven't seen in a long time because there's action everywhere am i crazy is my cte kicking in have we not talked about the babcock press conference i think we i think we did no i don't think we didn't know i think they did this on purpose they did it on literally an hour after we finished recording last podcast wait look at his brain right now i think they did it on purpose no we didn't we talked about on the group chat they thought they could make us miss a news cycle those sneaky oilers was are you sure are you sure wait you're confused because you discussed it on game notes with the guys okay i went on game notes i went on game notes which by the way not to like pump my own tires i went on game notes before i was playing golf um with buddies we were playing in a one day member guest at old sandwich we were staying over so then we went back out after we won the oh we won the tournament and then we went back out and on the nine holes we played i shot 31 i made five birdies at four pars so i guess talking about babs like i know i had to throw that in there why did i have to throw it in there people like shut up and talk about babs no no i want to hear about every shot yeah no no we did a podcast for new listeners for new listeners there was an episode where i got into the mass am and literally went shot by shot there had to be people who like dogs were kicked uh children were yelled at like that's why i took the tv gig i thought the pod was done i thought we lost them well either way the babs press conference i'm gonna start off with this shout out to his old i've had i've had three different people that played for babs reach out to me and say a lot of people are clueless in what they're talking about and that i love playing for them i just want to say that because that is not awesome three out of what 700 guys that play yeah granted granted no doubt there are obviously more people way out in the open that hate him but i i didn't want to you know to be fair we're a non-biased pod oh no i'm pretty biased i'm pretty biased but no i'm not when it comes to real topics like this like you're trying to deliver it like down the middle for the same reason i said buddy i never experienced it i have no personal ill will towards the guy but to counter that the stories i have heard and apparently the guys he wasn't down with i think that he was going out of his way to make their life downright miserable and that's kind of like a part of the issue that obviously that's why i brought it here i didn't i would have never said nothing i almost forgot to say it the only reason i said it was because we were doing the columbus blue jacket breakdown and i was like oh yeah i got a call the other day from tyson barry buddy buddy you're misremembering we were like signing off and i go yo wait biz say what you told me on the phone before we recorded okay that's right and you're like oh yeah and you know the guy's resigning well um so come to the point of the press conference yeah i was on game notes that's crazy we hadn't discussed this i mean one of the crazier press conferences i've ever seen based on the fact that like most people i think thought he'd get up there and he would be asked and shout out jason gregor who did say like how do you be a hard coach without being a dick which is pretty funny because great question he's straight up calling him a dick at least he has been a dick or so he basically was asked about the columbus situation and was like ah i didn't do anything wrong i didn't say that because i didn't bet i didn't bench anyone i didn't take away time i didn't sit anyone they're like yeah but you never you never coached a game so i don't think that that was possible but it was like when that hit the airwaves it was pretty funny based on what i thought it was an snl skit and the fact that he's like yeah and like uh i don't know like i think he said when you make people feel uncomfortable you want to maybe look back and see what you could could do different but like that was it that was the extent there was absolutely no apology there was absolute no like ah yeah like kind of messed up there but you know what the oilers they know what they're signing up for here they know exactly what they're signing up for here and now i'm starting to think based on the text that i'm reading i'm starting to think that jason gregor is going to be a dick and jason gregor is going to be a dick and jason gregor is going to be a dick and jason gregor is going to be a dick and jason gregor is going to be a dick and jason gregor is going to be a dick and i got and his like past and his record this guy might they might end up being unbelievable were the guys who texted you were they stars of their i was just gonna ask that yance one was two weren't okay and he almost in that press conference it almost reminded me of someone who just doesn't read the news doesn't have uh any social medias like it almost was like it never even happened he was just like oh my my wife told me to shut it down i shut it down i was good at being retired and i went back to being retired like my wife my wife i don't like the vibe here i don't like the vibe here he's like he's like i was i was golfing every day i'd fucking speed bag those losers a chiclets and a sandbagger one on three bringing any time you punk ass bitches uh he probably doesn't even know who we are no no exactly no oh but um i think he texted me about a charity golf tournament one time before or after you got him canned well i think it was didn't he ask for didn't he ask for a sign thanks for getting paid to do nothing didn't he ask for a signed stick from you one year oh yeah yeah that was fucking he asked wayne for one and wayne texted biz but um yeah that was that was funny yeah i will i'll say this and and it goes back to like what you just said i think that like uh if he's got no problem with you and you and you're of used to him in the lineup and things are going well i also found uh i think it was uh on i want to say it was one of the one of the tsn radio shows it wasn't on overdrive but uh dan winnick went on and i played with dan when a great player great skater very useful like uh you know depth centerman good at winning draws good penalty killer and he said that the first year he had him it was fine and then the second year he was a little bit banged up and he's like he made me hate hockey like he made my life miserable like he made me not want to come to the rink and that was the first time that that had ever happened in his career so you know once again a role guy i'm really interested to see how this situation shakes out i will remain the guy who's like i obviously think he's done stuff the guys in the past that is complete bullshit but i do believe in rehabilitation and second chances now some of you might say uh he literally got x'd out for that type of behavior and didn't make it to game one of the regular season and then at a press conference basically saying like yeah my old lady wants us to get the out of here and collect paychecks and go back to being retired so i respect his ability to remain an asshole and just be who he is let's go yep i mean there's also we could put the 15 grand if we ever win it on if he even coaches a game this year no no he's he's he's coaching this year okay and i guess i'm trying to get a hold of those three girls phones at the at the prospects camp he's got like a he's got like a handle with him he's like don't do it don't you do it he's got the airplay on the jumbotron just watching the skate oh yeah this is what you're up to with the ladies okay all right um yeah uh but i guess my my brain the oilers people fans brains of like wow you know what this guy we got a coach who's gonna hold everybody accountable he's gonna figure this whole thing out like they still don't have any goaltending really so i guess that that that's the big question mark but i'm right i'm glad you brought that up we would have said babrovsky but and and for two guys who hopped off the wagon of their teams it we seem to can't we can't get them out of our heads you know leaves and oilers talk to start out can't wait to hear about this one on twitter no no no no no that that was just uh you just brought that up quick i would say the number one storyline in the past week um is the jason robertson saga so it's very funny i feel like we you know elliot friedman shout out to elliot how do i word this it's like it's like every year he's becoming better and better and better at his job like like you have you have adam schefter and i think it's ian rapaport right in football like kind of two guys and then shams and basketball i guess he's the one elliot now it seems as though and and being an insider i can't imagine how stressful it is we've talked about that a lot there's a lot of different guys in the league it seems like everybody kind of has a mishap here and there not a mishap but like so they you know they get some news they report it doesn't happen or something goes different like am i quick is elliot batting a thousand he's just getting the story first and then he it's correct every time i think he's just i think in some cases he's the one doing the trades like he's the one even calling the shots on some of them it's crazy like he tweets it out and the gm's like i guess we're doing it yeah elliot one wimba myana so fucking seven two duncan on the alien you gotta start calling the aliens so the alien insider he reports that jason robertson turned down um obviously it would have been a trade to seattle it's then come out that it was three first round picks and a younger player now in the outline here g writes the the younger player was not jake o'brien which is a big time prospect that they have and the offer was 15 million for eight years so he would have been the second highest paid player in the league and then actually i did see a report from saravali that said it was actually 15.6 a year so it would have been whatever would have made it 125 million dollar contract crazy now a bunch of different ways we can go with this before i throw it to you biz i do want to say jason robertson it's also been reported by elliot has been offered 12 million dollars a year by dallas if he turned that down if he's trying to say he wants to play and remain in dallas that's bullshit i'm sorry like you don't if buddy if they're offering you what rontan is making yes enormous goal amazing goal score 96 points last year the kid he's a sniper but don't tell me that you're getting off for 12 million bucks a year and you really want to stay and you're not taking it am i wrong in saying that so so here's the little pushback that i would have with you obviously we're talking uh uh different salary cap and knowing what we're heading towards more he's signing a year later and i think that his camp and him have probably felt disrespected in a lot of ways to the fact that maybe it's taken till now for them to offer that and or the the conversation of his name around getting traded and and them moving on from him like can we agree that like i'm pretty sure that there has been constant rumblings about them trading him and moving off of him like two years now i'd say you've been hearing it and i don't know maybe they are rumors but i'm assuming that part of it has to be the truth and given the fact that he has performed and has performed well for them in playoffs maybe even more so than ranting and especially this year maybe not going back to last year with that first round fiasco that that ronan had on ronan's revenge as we know it so i feel that he's probably thinking like well now that you want me to stay after you made me wait all this time and essentially prove it down to the goal line and i performed the way i did and this is where the market's at and this is what all these other players are signing for uh capri soft just signed for 17 i think 13 13 and a half range seems a little bit more realistic as a number for a guy who's scored what 40 goals how many times now he has 43 times his high is 46 this year 45 the other years he didn't get 35 he had 29 and his first rookie year he had 17 i mean he's got 490 points at 456 games his goal scoring he's got 23 goals in 62 playoff games i'm just so so so to play devil's advocate with you i view it a little bit similar and and not listen there's a lot of differences but to the marner situation in a sense of him feeling disrespected like they try to move him to carolina they try he's like i'm just trying to part of the game man it's part of the game though no i i get that but in return i don't expect him to hold that same loyalty to them that's all i'm saying and and i think that we're a pro for the most part a pro player podcast i think there is levels to like him like say hey man you're getting offered 8 times 12 to stick around on a winning team and and it's pretty fucking good number that's what marner just got last year look what he just did in playoffs like that's a like like jack eichel just took a discount at 13 and a half i would view him as more valuable so in this basically this cap era it's like hey man if we want to win here in dallas we're hoping that you take this nice deal at the eight years that we're allowed to give you at essentially a bit of this that's a hometown discount based on what these guys are signing for well yeah based on his numbers so now let's shift the focus to seattle and what this means for seattle and i heard an interesting comment today and it was i believe it was the the oh god um the morning cup of coffee i'm brutal with the names boys morning cup of johnny lazarus and and colby cohen and colby cohen and he mentioned how the it's a shot for the no state tax uh state oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah washington state washington state does not currently have a traditional state personal income tax on wages or salaries however however a 9.9 individual income tax household earnings over 1 million dollars per year was signed into law scheduled to take effect in 2028 and be collected starting in 2029 so if you don't think that the state now implementing a 10 tax on any dollar earned over is going to affect their sports teams. you're out of your fucking mind yeah over to you yans over to you with uh go ahead keith um i get why honestly he wouldn't want to go to seattle i mean it's i don't think it's one of those places where guys necessarily want to go right now they're not proven yet once they are proven guys would want to go there because it's a beautiful state like we've been there it's nice nice views they take unreal care of the guys so but they're just not there yet they're a new team so i get that i honestly thought when he didn't sign that deal at 15 million dollar deal it was like you know you hear merles talk about it all the time these guys making too much money i thought maybe he looked at himself was like i don't want to make that much money i just want to kind of go about it and then you hear that he's signing no no no not signing the 12 so i do not know what's going on with this guy personally i would have stayed in in dallas with that team it's kind of the team you came up with you know they're every year we're talking about them that they could be cup contenders and if you take a good hometown discount then you can promise that you're getting better your team's getting better so i i get why he didn't want to go to seattle obviously he has the leverage to be able to do that he's a proven player he's going to make huge money no matter what but man it's like at what point does where does he want to go he's not that's what i wonder i also also wonder that if he is as uh i don't want to say looking at that roster and where they are cap wise because of these contenders we talk about i would say they're one of those teams that are the most constraint with the cap of guys they have to re-up i think maverick bork is up for a contract what is he going to command and if if g if you could put it up in the in the chat here i don't think they have a ton of money to play with they got the harley deal kicking in um obviously if you're playing rotten and then robertson let's say robertson does sign for 12 they don't have a ton of money to fill a decent amount of holes that they need to plug and play compared to what i think other teams have so maybe he's looking at this situation saying well if we don't have larkin and you know i don't know root bay hints they have nine million in cap space right now but they have some guys assigned here they got some fuck so they're gonna have to move off of maybe one or two good players even in order to squeeze him in so i don't maybe he's looking at it like hey can i maybe end up getting traded and signed to a team that is even more so in win now mode a team that is also maybe in a no state tax or maybe just an even better environment where he once again thinks it's like this is the better future for me i'm going to make a little bit more and their their next five-year trajectory looks a little bit healthier than dallas but the team the team the teams that are in win now right now cannot afford a 12 million dollar player i don't know that's not true because dallas is win mode dallas that's what i'm saying i think part of it is dallas is like we got to win the game and we got to win the game and we got to switch some things up here and it's not working i'm not just saying jason robertson but look how good these teams are they haven't they haven't got over the hump they've even got to a final so it's like we got to something's got to be moved around and jim nill is one of the best in the game he he obviously understands like there needs to be changes here imagine if they do jason robertson for dylan larkin and then they do thomas harley and a pick or a prospect to columbus for zach warensky everyone wins there everyone i think zach warrensky is going to win the game i think he's going to win the game i think he's going to win the leafs according to twitter and and listen i'm not hey i'm not if he does if he does that's actually great for the game because i don't want to see all these players american players refusing to play in canada i don't think it's great um i i'd be kind of shocked if that were to happen but and i said it last pod so you know he's going to then sign in canada everything i say the opposite happens so he's going there but i do feel i feel for seattle a little bit because buddy they offered remember they offered um uh panarin they offered panarin huge dough right and like they're trying and it's and as keith said like yeah that's just not a spot right now that if guys are really looking to win now you would say like well you could get anyone if you're offering enough money and that's not even working for him so it kind of you know that sucks for like the fans of that team like but i guess you'd look at the management be like they're trying we just can't get anyone to go here but i i'll be steadfast in saying that if a team is very good it doesn't matter where it is guys will want to play there man like when i was on the oilers it was a nightmare to get traded to the oilers i don't think now if you're traded to the oilers you're upset at all it's just people want to be on good teams yes all this noise about vegas and dallas and the florida teams and nashville probably there's still a significant amount of players who just want to be on a good team now robertson i do want to throw up the picture of him in the little caesars uniform i don't know if you guys saw this one because if you got a son and he's really skilled he's a little chubby at 12 years old don't give up don't ever give up because look at that picture of this kid it's unbelievable he's just this little chubby chubby fat kid in a little caesars uniform and he scores 40 now every year so that was fudge kid bun man tuck it but when you look you look at minnesota's now on all those guys list of where they want to go five ten years ago that wasn't that wasn't the case nobody wanted to go to minnesota so it's a perfect example you got to build it now guys want to play for billy g guys want to play for the group of players that they have in there they're a team that's going out getting better every year making big trade whatever it is so you got to build it you got to you got to have winning seasons i mean what seattle you know won around their first year was that their first year yeah so i mean it's there you just got to keep keep going and it'll come like it's a it's a it's a young franchise i think you almost have to stick with the way they did it when they first got in you just you have four second lines yeah and people are you know obviously they're taking their fair fair share of shrapnel online where like people are saying that them and uh them and nashville are having a mid-off well it's like i mean fuck who cares man get get a bunch of misfits mid-offs and uh in there and uh and i just don't turn that around i just can't imagine like kaprizov make it 17 million it's ridiculous obviously you know he earned it and if robertson's on your team making 15 two wingers like i'm not spending my money like that but i'm not doing that as i agree with you and i think like kind of like you guys mentioned too it's like just like minnesota how about carolina they just won a stanley cup this year rotten and didn't want to sign their marner didn't want to be traded there like there were guys were like ah so you kind of going and back to what you said with as far as seattle and i think it may have been even in the past but i think it's kind of going back to what has been you yans is like you essentially have to build it from the ground up yeah you might get rejected at first but then you know the prom queen might come around yeah exactly i mean it's uh it's an interesting time though because g brings up warensky and god of all the people that you hear want to be traded like this is a guy and we don't even know for sure he wants to be traded now there was discussions that they're going to talk after the draft he has two years remaining on his deal all these guys seem to have two years remaining there's a bunch of big dogs actually there's a move there's a bunch of there's a bunch of guys who can be uh extended this summer like macar's one so but warensky that's kind of crazy because that one just makes columbus fans want to puke right like and you have this season and it's kind of disappointment after disappointment and then they're on an insane run this year the olympics happen they just lose it bones goes completely off the handle after the last game of the regular season but we're going to have to wait and see what happens next we have a norris trophy winner we have the best defenseman in the league this year at least and now all of a sudden there's rumblings that like he's pretty much said he's not going to resign there when his deal's done and now it's like holy shit man like if i'm a team this is a guy that's a guy i'm paying 70 it's like the quinn hughes move like he's got you you got you basically got him for two years well he got traded what like a month or two into the season and yeah november december you at least get a little bit of time with him to convince him hey this is you know we're trying to build something here and get it you get him for at least that and if not and he doesn't end up want to sign there you flip him and you could probably just make you know at least get back three quarters of your return because i would imagine he's going to go somewhere where he wants to sign so to get a blue chip guy like that to hop in that is it's crazy times do you think larkin would want to stay in detroit if they go get zach wierenski or is the relationship too too far gone they're they're like you guys here right well is is in i don't know if you guys hear that but i don't know if you guys hear that but i don't know is in eiserman just saying yeah sorry dude you're gonna be playing on the red that's another that's another discussion this this larkin thing so eiserman did a very kind of brief press conference or interview wherever he said he said uh yeah you know we were told he wants to be traded he's got five years left on his deal and basically like we'll see what happens i'm not trading this guy unless i love the offer and then it's brought up like well what if what if they don't trade him at this point dude like can you can he go back there like think about it and you're thinking of like the team and the room it's all about the room so he goes back he's not captain anymore right that's a storyline no okay and then and then wait you're you're you're so you're saying automatic sees off the jersey i would i would imagine stevie why what do you think i don't know like buddy i don't know i don't know i can't remember a situation like this remember remember back in the day obviously before everything would get leaked out and and all that stuff like you knew guys in your team that wouldn't wanted to get traded or guys would come in and trade you and you're like i don't know i don't know i don't come in be like hey i'm trying to get out of here whatever and the players i don't think mind as much It's like, okay, whatever. This guy wants to go do his own thing, whatever it is. Agree with that a little bit. It's the fans that you're pissing off, right? And you're the captain of that team. So I would imagine they'd take the seat if he does go back, which for him, it's like, whatever. It's a letter on your jersey. I get it. He was a captain of that team. You made the guy they give it to give you a watch. He makes out like a bandit. Cut the new presidential, and I'm playing in Dallas. No state tag, motherfucker. He doesn't have to talk to the media after every game. He's like, wow, I'll stay here for the rest of this contract. No, but I just think that, so G's saying, if Wierenski were to go to Dallas, Detroit, would he want to stay? That's a great question. No, but what do you give up? And you got to give something to get something. I don't know what they have in the prospect pool. I also think that you're looking at the exact same situations handled differently. I think that Steyos. With Kachuk, where they kind of presented to him, they said, we want to do this clean. Never got public also. Never went public. Never went public. And I think that some people might say they were a little underwhelmed with the return. It's like, you're giving up your fearless leader and a guy who's a top six guy and brings it in every situation, basically. Made playoffs the last two years. You're not replacing that in your roster, and you're kind of in win-now mode where some people, especially Ottawa fans, would have liked to have seen Steyos not maybe bend the knee as much, which Stevie Wise probably hearing this and saying, I don't give a fine. Yeah, I don't care. So you got a newer rookie GM who's trying to be sensitive because you don't want to all of a sudden you piss him off. You don't know how other things unravel. Maybe it deters other guys from signing there or not wanting to be a part of Ottawa. If kind of management drags that out where you also have a guy, who's won as many cups as Stevie Wise has, who has as much respect as he has saying, I'm not compromising my roster, my lineup, because you don't want to fucking honor what you've signed for your eight-year contract. I would just be, when you listen to Stevie Wise speak, when he did that thing, he talks like a lawyer. He doesn't give you anything. I would just love to hear him open, raw, and honest about his feelings on it. What would you pay for that behind a paywall? Oh, I'd pay big dough to hear him just actually say how he really feels. And who knows how ownership feels, but I just feel like it's really hard to bring a guy back. I know it's easy to say, hey, if I don't like a trade, I'm bringing him back. But when the captain and the team's like, I want out, it gets public. What are the fans saying opening night when they announce his name? It's just headaches. They talked about all the headaches. They talked about all the headaches in Ottawa because it was rumored that Brady didn't want to be there. And now Canada can kind of really run with things maybe a little bit more than the United States and the markets and the media. But if you bring Larkin back, it's just, I don't know. Maybe I'm completely wrong. And that he's right and the team's like, I don't care. This guy's our boy, he's our captain, and we know he's going to play as hard as he can. But it's just kind of a headache. For a team who doesn't need a headache, they've got to get in the playoffs. So it's like you're starting the year on this foot, of like, oh, this guy doesn't even want to be here, but he's here now. The fans are pissed off. It would basically be where he'd have to get like seven goals in the first seven games, and then the team's winning. It's like, all right, all's forgotten. He's here, and we're buzzing. If I'm being honest, I do think that Dallas probably needs him the most up the middle. If they want to change one thing about their roster, like hints, like sometimes it's hard for him to stay healthy. I'm not like, it's not a chirp or nothing like that. But even if he is, and he's your number one, with him and Larkin as your one-two slot, like that's a different look without Robertson that I don't mind and still consider them a contender. And then, like you said, if you're able to go get Wawrenski and flip off of Harley, I mean, that would be- But Columbus can't, Columbus cannot, they can't get picks for Wawrenski. No, no, no, no. They need like, so I guess G saying Harley, gee, Harley just signed that deal. He doesn't have like a no-move clause or- No, so it's like, now this guy's stuck in Columbus. He can't go anywhere. Right? Like that's the exact type of player you need. And Elliot- Columbus is a great place to play. Oh, shout out Arbar. And Elliot said it on 32 Thoughts this morning. He's like, they're not going to get a better offer than Thomas Harley in picks. You're just not gonna. Agree. Okay, so that's- You already got him locked in. The only thing that sucks is like all of a sudden you're paying him, I believe he'd be making a little bit more or maybe, is Wawrenski making nine and a half on his deal? Yes, pretty sure. So they're making the same amount, but I guess moving forward, like that's a, that's going to be a, what your, your average, you know, top pairing defenseman's going to be making. How do you know Robo would say yes to go to Detroit? That, that's, that's, you don't. Well, that was the little, the little Caesars. He's from there. He's from there too. That's where he's from. I think he's from Cali, but he ended up playing, like once he got really good, I think they, they went out there. Here's four through eight of Thomas Harley's contract with, is the no-move clause. So that's why you want to deal him now. Oh, the old Whitney contract. The Whitney deal. Nothing the first three, ship them out and then ship them again. And then, and then, and then, and then, boom, he's in Russia. So let's hope it doesn't work like that for Thomas Harley. But we got to shout out, well, a couple of teams, Washington, Washington went out and made some moves. So, so a weird season in Washington. Carberry comes in two years ago. They have this awesome season. They make the playoffs, they went around. And then this year, big disappointment. Obviously the year they made it was the OB goal chase. And then this year it was, it was upsetting to the fans. And you know, some people are probably wondering like, what's going on with OB? What's this team do? Well, they make a splash. They go out and get Kairou. This is exactly like Robertson on a way lesser level. It's just been rumored for so long that Kairou was going to get traded. So McMichael goes the other way. And I believe some, that wasn't just a one for one. For Connor McMichael, Milton Gastron, and the number 16 pick in Friday in the draft. Sorry. So I like this a lot. And then at the same time, they do the sign and trade or the trade and sign for Alex Tuck. Okay. Alex Tuck gets 10 and a half. That's pretty much where we thought it would land. I guess Buffalo didn't want to go there. Buffalo decided that was, that was too much money for them. But all of a sudden Washington gets two guys who can skate, who can score big, big for capitals fans. I think they're like, Oh, that's, that's a nice, that's a nice move. That's a nice, like couple of days for capitals fans. I think. Oh, are you kidding me? I would say like, man, I'm, I'm just, I'm happy for Kairou. Um, you know, I think that he, maybe in some cases, if not like a decent amount left a lot more to be desired. Um, if there's one coach that I think that could untap his full potential, it's Carberry. Um, you know, he's been incredible since he stepped in. You could tell he's a player's coach and he's able to inspire guys. You saw what he was able to do for, um, for Pierre-Luc Dubois' career. I mean, look at how much Strom's taken off since he's been there. Uh, Chikrin, uh, I mean the comp, like I'm sure the goalie coach and assistants have a lot to do with, but Logan Thompson, like every guy that went over there in, in these retool moves that they make, they end up panning out. And you talk about size, like Dylan Strom's, a big guy down the middle, Pierre-Luc Dubois, you have the Protis brothers who are absolute monsters. Wilson. Like, and then Hudson on D, like he looked sick at the end of the year. Like Washington looks pretty nice moving forward. Oh, buddy. I think that the retool moves that they've made over the last like four or five year stretch, that is pinkies up all day long. So credit to that management staff. And, um, do I think that it's a contract that's maybe not going to, going to like age as nice, but man, like you have to go fill that slot. Um, I would imagine that Ovi's coming back as the DH. Okay. You think this, man, I kind of thought maybe this means he's not coming back. I think, I think there's no way that he is not coming back with that roster. Yeah, I agree. And I think that if you have a chat, you have to say, Hey, listen, I understand you have to be tapped a certain way mentally to think that you're the greatest in order to eventually be the greatest goal scorer of all time. But if you're playing the type of minutes that you were playing in your, the prime of your career, or even towards the end, I don't really think we have a chance to win a Stanley cup. If you're willing to maybe kind of. Unflate the ego in that sense a little bit. Yeah, but he can't play third or fourth. That's fine because those are energy lines. And I think you have them playing home games. Yager style. Honestly, buddy, you might, I think Gary Bettman needs to step in and say, pump them full of whatever drugs he needs to get out there. Like, come on here, guys, the greatest goal scorer of all time. He needs a little bit of leniency. They should be able to dress an extra player. And he only plays power play the DH. Yes. Make that rule the DH rule comes back and he gets a D zone start. Like he did. And like game 73 or whatever it was like, we cannot have a D zone start. We have to have that at least go down, but wow. So, okay. So I was thinking the exact opposite here. I was thinking, oh, they get some scoring. Um, but now you're saying, because the roster looks this much better from last year that he comes back. I need to read. Did I read something? He's announcing like in Russia on a certain day in July, if he's coming back or not, maybe that was a phony tweet or something. I saw that. What did they call the LeBron one? Uh, the decision. the decision, yeah. - Do you think Tuck, obviously with Buffalo not wanting to bring him back. They're going to call this one the injection. You think Buffalo? Because I think it was the second round where he wasn't very good. They were just like, hey, listen, we're going to move on. Because he's been a nice player for them. When he went there, too, he's from upstate New York. He's kind of the guy that he wanted to go there. Now, guys, you see more and more guys wanting to go to Buffalo. So you've got to give him a little bit of credit for that. Big time. And he was awesome there. The guys love him. He loved being there. Remember, we saw him at Chickas Cup. He was all fired up. But you just brought up something that's wild. And this is something that's awesome for the fans of the Sabres and the city of Buffalo. Apparently, they are in major discussions with Winnipeg about Connor Hellebuck. And the fact is that if Hellebuck actually said, yeah, I'll go to Buffalo, the thought of him wanting to go to Buffalo or anyone wanting to go to Buffalo and him being like, yeah, Buffalo's a spot. It's basically Canada. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess. If he goes to Buffalo, you should have to roll a blade from Boston to Buffalo. I couldn't even make it like 30 yards on the highway, let alone from Boston to Buffalo. Well, that's because you were going over the rumble strips. That's true. But I do like, man, imagine the Sabres with Hellebuck. I would love it. And the Sabres, the Sabres with that Byram deal, right? And then they get the fourth overall. Pick they, they draft this Dax and Rudolph. Now we're kind of getting into the draft. Oh, we're all over the place now. We are. I hope everyone's okay with that. We're just all over the place. That's what the league is right now, though. It's all over the fucking place. And then they go out when they got Owen Zellweger. I was like, fuck me, Yarmulke. What a dog. Because I really think with the D that they have in Buffalo, I could see Zellweger being exactly like Byram there. Right. And then you were able to get the fourth overall pick. You grab another. A defenseman that's supposed to be obviously very good. He's the fourth overall pick. So kind of a masterclass by Yarmulke. Yeah. I feel when you're a player like that, when you're in a situation where you're not overexposed, it's an easier path to development. So let's take Byram, for example, where I felt that was the way in Colorado. Obviously they felt like, okay, we have enough guys ahead of him who maybe do what he does and what he's going to command financially. So they moved off of them. Obviously not the best trade. I think it was middle stat at the time. And I love his game, Byram. I think that all of a sudden he's going to a situation, though, where now he's a little bit more exposed because you don't have Owen Power. You don't have Samuelson. You don't have Darlene, right? And a way worse team. So it's like overexposed by the minutes he'll play. And this is not dogging Bowen Byram. I think he's awesome. Not at all. Not at all. I just met him this past weekend here. Did you? I met him in Jackson. He was here. He just got married. I met his wife, who he just got married to, and then they're having twins, two girls. Good for him. That's unreal. Buddy, nicest guy in the world. Had a great conversation with him. Davidson, fucking give him $14 million. That's how big of a beauty he is. And for him, it's like he's going to be the guide there. He's going to get a ton of power play reps. He's probably looked at himself like, I remember him at World Juniors. He was unreal. And he's probably like, hey, listen, I'm a power play guy. I need to be out there. I'm a number one guy, you think he's saying? I don't know if like a number, like not the true Chris Pronger number one, but like a number one power play guy. And he hasn't got that. So he's going to go into Chicago with some good forwards and stuff and be like, I'm betting on myself. Hopefully he can put up big numbers. I like the trade for him because he's probably thinking to himself, I need a shot to prove who I am as a player. I haven't done it as much as maybe I thought coming into the league. And, you know, he's betting on himself. I love it. So when that trade was announced, it seemed like the social media side, and I was including this like, wow, I think Buffalo kind of just fleeced Chicago. So that's a lot, a lot to pay. And now I think mainly it's because the role that Byram's always played has, but he's behind Makar, right? He's behind the guys in Buffalo you mentioned. So that's what everyone thinks of him or thinks of the trade. But if he, but if we're all wrong or, and we haven't seen him have the chance to be the 26 minute, a guy, you know, night number one, power play minute and a half on every power play he could go. And you're like, holy shit. Like that, that trade was a lot closer than we thought, but right off the hop, it's like, wow. And the main reason was they included that crevier. Yeah. And I was like, what? Like, I feel like that trade would have been completely fine on both sides without crevier, just fourth overall. That should have, in my opinion, got it done. Especially at the fact that, you, you can't like, obviously during that period, it's a tampering period. So they can't even negotiate what his contract is going to be. So all of a sudden you not only give all that up, you hand over every bit of leverage to Byram being like, oh, you just gave everything up for me. You're not just going to have me here for one year. Uh, eight times 12, please. That's no, I've, I've, yeah, that's, I know, I know, I know. But I mean, the most you overpaid and now you're going to have to overpay. But that might be the pressure of Chicago's desperate buddy, buddy. There's a, there's a few teams and a few star players being like, okay, we want some help now. I'm not waiting for these fucking draft picks to pan out. And it goes back to some of these players and being the superstars and having the leverage. So I feel like that was something that was essentially forced upon Davidson in order to get better now. Yeah. And I think they did like last year, he had 82 games. He had four games. He had 42 points, 11 goals. That's fucking pretty legit. And he, I think when, when, uh, Darlene was gone for a while, he got more power play time. And then when he came back, obviously less, but you get 11 goals next year on Chicago. Like that's a monster year. Yeah. Uh, but, but if he gets 11 goals next year and they're not winning, uh, you know, say he has 11 goals and 46 points and they're like the same Chicago Blackhawks. Yeah. Be like, what the fuck? I, I, that's just, that's just how it goes. It's almost like this. Yeah. They got Seth Jones. They paid him a lot of money to be that number one guy. And it's like, it's, we, we need a team here. The team's no good. It's hard for a guy like that to, and then, and then what did he end up going over to Florida for? I think he made what? Three quarters of his money. Yeah. Now he's perfectly slotted in there and, and boom, it's all about the money you're making and the minutes you're playing and how good the team you're on. So I feel like they've, they've jammed themselves up that way. Yeah. I think if, if, if they landed at eight times 10, okay, I'm a lot more, I'm a lot happier with what they gave up and what they locked them in. But if you're looking at eight times, you know, 11 and a half, 12 million, and you, and you gave up what you did, it's like, Ooh, I think that it, it, it, it reeks a little bit of desperation for right now. But as a team that not everybody wants to go to right now, I know Chicago is awesome. They've had their history, but to go out and make that trade, you're essentially making your team better. So. I think if you're a Blackhawks fan, you got to respect it. You got to try to, you know, go with it. Hopefully he can be that guy that you haven't had for a little while and, and take over. It's funny because he was the fourth overall pick. And so they're just saying, all right, well, based on what, okay. So there's two things we need to get better. Right. And possibly we think that he's better now than any of these defensemen that we would take fourth overall are going to end up being. And even if they don't think that it's like, that's three, four years away, we have to figure this out. Like Chicago, buddy, it, it, when was the last time the Blackhawks were in the playoffs? Was it when the Predators swept them? Probably, but they're, they're also, they need to get better. Like I I'm sure if you talk to anyone in their management with truth serum, they know they're not going to win next year. They need to get better to get guys like, but Dard to want to stay for a long time. Like they got to just continue to get better and add to their team or in three years, four years, he's going to be like, Hey boys, I'm out. So. See, apparently there's, there's rumblings that they, they're close to a deal for Bedard. That was 2020 was the last time they play us, but that was the COVID bubble. That doesn't really count. Um, but you're saying, okay. Yeah. Cause July 1st, but Dard can resign. Oh my God, buddy. Talk about leverage. He could be like, give me 15 a year for eight years. That's around the number that came in is eight times 15. Okay. Well, that's kind of jumping ahead, but Chicago and Buffalo obviously made noise. Let's go back to Buffalo for a second. Another incredible move by Yarmouth. So he signs Benson seven times, seven and a half. And, but when I see that deal, it's like the leagues change so much where you come in and you light it up and you do what Celebrini's done or some of these guys. And all of a sudden it's like max money right after your second year, you can sign before the third year ends and boom, you're off. Well, you're better off with some of these guys. Like, Jackson, Blake and Benson who don't light it up, then you get them seven times, seven and a half and, and, and obviously Blake's even less at how that contract is a joke for Buffalo. That's that's. And it's, it's obviously Benson has grew up in a carnival family. They were traveling around fucking doing the, the Gravitron. And now he's got, he's got, he's got 52 million bucks. How many basketball shots do you get for that much? Yeah. The water in the clown's nose as the horses race across. And he's getting 50 million bucks, but what do you imagine that kid in three years and he's making seven with the same way jackson blake potato sack ride do you not know what i'm saying about yeah he's doing the potato sack slide you want to see you want to see like wow there are some special things about this player but i want him to get 40 points i want him to get 45 50 points i don't need an 80 90 point season out of him because i know it's coming at some point and then we save on the dollars when we re-up them So it's, it's incredible how it's worked out for certain teams where you see guys that are going to be unreal, that aren't unreal yet, but are on the cusp. And then now you got, you got Benson making seven and a half. Well, look at their deals. Like, let's go through it. Tage Thompson is in a 7 million bubble. Josh Doan, 7 million bubble. Carney, 7 million bubble. I would say it's trending the way that power played the second half of the season and playoffs. I would say everybody's fine with him making eight and a half now. Eight and a half is not anything now. It's not, right. He's played into that. Sam is league minimum. No, Samuelson's playing for league minimum. Samuelson's locked in another, what, six years at four, four sheets. Unbelievable deal, right? Darlene, I think is the highest paid guy making 11 million, but I don't think anybody, 11 and a half, nobody's got one single problem with that. He stuck it out for as long as he has. So he, he deserves the, the extra coin. I mean, who, who else do they have? Unreal Bargoon deal. I got to look up their team real quick. We just said Tage. We said Thompson for, for in the seven bubble. I think we said their whole team. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't know. But, but it's, it's just Norris. How much is Norris, how much is Norris making? Not, he actually makes like eight and a half, I think. Yeah. So. He's a fucking guy. He signed it with Ottawa. So Buffalo, if they get helly, oh man, am I excited for them. Dude. Um, Norris is 7.95. So he's in the seven bubble. But it was just, that's, that's a great signing. That's like, I think, you know, Benson's thrilled. The team's thrilled. And, you know, you're hearing like Robertson's going to get 15 million. He has done things. Benson hasn't sniffed yet, but it's like double the money. It's just, it's just crazy time. And it's all about a player and his leverage and where you sit. But fuck, that's good work by, by Buffalo. Good work by Yarmul. And St. Louis and Alex Steen. Awesome. They're doing work. They're doing work. Now, biz, you've chatted with me a couple of times about Mason McTavish and maybe what, what he could do to reach that next level. And he, he's traded to the, he's traded to the blues. You kind of, he fell out. He was a healthy scratch this year and stuff. And I still think there's a special player in there. Right. And now, and you got Monty there and, um, um, you could figure out what's going to happen now. Interestingly enough, Greg, Greg Cronin was just hired as their assistant. Oh, okay. Nice. And I don't necessarily know if the guys loved him in Anaheim, but, but assistant coaches are way different. It's a completely different ball game. Right. But in with Mason McTavish, what have you said to me? At least I, uh, I just think that if maybe, yeah, like I 82 games is a lot of games. And I think that like, uh, I don't think now we're playing 84. So 84. Oh Jesus. That's right. That's right. I, I, I think there's more there. I think it was a rough start to the year. I think he needed new, uh, a new scene kind of like Zegers did look at Zegers did when he, when he got out of there. And I, I think sometimes you could feel, um, you know, the reciprocation and energy where maybe he wasn't accused type of player, or maybe Q in some cases was sending a message and, or he, he believed that other guys in the lineup deserved spots as opposed to him in certain games. Right. He was healthy, scratched a few times. Um, obviously dealt with kind of the contract negotiation where maybe he wasn't also Verbeek's cup of tea. And they're probably looking at, we got all these other young guys to hand over Brinks trucks too. Yeah. Cause Seneca, uh, um, um, Carlson and Gauthier are going to make easily over 10. Yeah. Like Carlson's going to be looking at Bedard money if he signs. So, you know, give him new life, just like Cairo kind of got by going to Washington and he gets to get a new environment where I believe Mason McTavish his age is 25 and I look at St. Louis and the age that they're around in the snugger roads, uh, the Brobergs, the hallway, they're all in that 23. He's only 23, 23, 23, but they have a lot of guys in this, like, you know, 22, 23 to, to 22, 26, 27 range that are all kind of, I guess, a little bit poised to hit their prime. So from a timing perspective, from. Like, uh, um, um, like from, you know, what these guys are locked in for and what they're going to have to pay them. And as far as what they have as assets in first round picks to maybe go add and bolster their lineup in real time. I like where the St. Louis blues are at. Like, do they have, they don't have a Bedard, but I like them way more than the Blackhawks in the next five years. Yeah. So it's like, and, and, and you know, what's funny is like, it kind of began a little bit with their offer sheets and we could see some offer. Sheets. This week. I don't know. And I can't believe I haven't mentioned this yet because this was a big, you know, a bigger storyline from the past few days, but is the door a fee of deal. And I just thought of it because we're talking, you know, I just thought of the, the offer sheets, Dora Fia is traded to the Rangers and signs an $11 million deal for seven, seven seasons. So, uh, where I am at on this one, a young player, who's probably gonna guarantee you 30 goals a year, right? Rangers. I love, I love that for them. They needed goal scoring. Who is getting him the puck though? That is the other side of the argument. Okay. But I think mainly this happened because there, there was a straight up offer sheet. Like that's an offer sheet target. Dorothea. First off, you get to try to buckle the Vegas golden Knights who everyone hates besides their fans and all, all the players there. And then also you think this guy's young, he can score and they can't really afford to pay him what we're going to offer sheet him. So instead he's dealt. I just wonder like at his age and how he scores. Yes. Great deal. But at the same time, no more Eichel. Do you know what I'm saying? I agree with you. I agree with you. Miller. Like I would imagine he's going to play with Miller, right? Like there's a Benadryl line was good last year. Uh, I would imagine he's going to play with JT Miller and I played with JT mill in the beginning of his career. He was like a pass first guy. And I still think he has that in him. I think he's going to be able to find him the park as good as anyone Fox on the power plays. An unbelievable pocket distributor. I don't think it's one of those things where he's going to come in and his numbers, like those goal scores, man, they just figure out a fucking way. I know. They just know how to auto 35 talks. That is 30 to 35 tuck range. And you, and, and in this league, especially from a free agency standpoint, you have to pay for goals. And for, I think Dolan said, if I get shut out one more fucking time at home next season, I'm going to fucking hang you by the rafters and he's coming off a win. With the next. So he said, you motherfucker. Oh yeah. You better start doing something. But, but, but he, he was going to get Brunson playing both teams. You mentioned earlier, like for Blackhawks fans, their team got better with Byram Rangers. They got better with, they got better. A hundred percent. So like to bring in a sniper like that, it's just, I'm, I'm interested to see. Yeah, you're right. Who was the last sniper sniper that they had in New York? Gabrick. I would say maybe Rick Nash. You know what? I mean, Crider had 51 year, not a sniper. They're in front of that, but you get 50 a year. You're a sniper. And my Panarin Panarin. Yeah. I mean, I guess he was considered a sniper. Well, as a Benajad is he, he, he's a shooter. He's a shooter. So now I guess if you have Fox with Dorfiev over to the right and Zabena over to the left, you'd think the PP be money Miller in front or down low. I think their PP was a lot of dry hair on the wings, but Hey man, if the puck's going in the net, we're all Gucci here. And I believe that power play was. Actually pretty good last year, but yeah, I mean, anytime you can add a guy like that, but that would have been, I wonder if somebody would have offer sheeted him from, cause you said it made total sense of a guy that would be offer sheeted. I wish there would be a couple this year cause I love offer sheets, but yeah, I mean the Rangers get better, you get a guy, you lock them up too. So I think it's a great deal for them. I think they also need to do a little bit more if they want to, you know, get back into the playoffs and, and, and win some series. Yeah. It, it, I, I guess it's just a situation where it's hard. It's hard when you're seeing guys who contribute in so many areas, get where that number is. Like they're also penalty killing their power play. They're able to, you know, play well defensively. They're not just like a power play, uh, opportunistic goal score that maybe doesn't touch as many areas. So you're, you're, you're paying the highest premium for, for a sniper. And that's kind of where, where the Rangers are. And once again, when you got to, you got to pay for goals. It's kind of like, it's like Boston. They're desperate. They need goals. Well, they're going to, that's why they traded for Paterka. Cause you're going to get your 30 goals. Yeah. So this Paterka trade, um, that, yeah, it was, I wouldn't say shocking, but I was like, wow, it's surprised. So he's traded for the 23rd overall pick. And then the Panthers pick in 2028, that's top 10 protected. So my only question here is like, all right, he's a young player who can score. No doubt. But he was traded. He was traded by Buffalo. Okay. And then a year later, he's traded again. Like that kind of gets my spidey senses up a little bit. and this is coming from somebody who would i wasn't that young but i was traded and then the next year i was traded again and it's like i'll give you i'll give you a comp i think i think it was a kairu situation where sometimes there was a lot left to be desired kairu's gonna get you 30 goals he's gonna get points he's unbelievable it's kind of about putting it all together um and i you know i think that in some cases certain players lean and uh you know there's a there's a there's a fine line between cheating and anticipation and some guys cheat a little bit for their goals and if that's how they get them that's how they get it that's the anticipation and how it works i think it's a brutal brutal look in how josh stone paid out that and yes i think that's why they made the trade is because you see the guy that you traded for you like oh shit we could have had this guy he was so good he played every situation he was edgy it also sounds like god that utah was big fish hunting that they wanted to clear the cap space so that they could go get someone obviously it hasn't come to fruition yet but it sounds like the streets are talking saying that they're they're going after something big maybe down the line here like a larkin or maybe an austin matthews i don't know like i i'll tell you this i know that ryan smith would legit say max it out and front load it like a motherfucker as much as you can to get a guy like that but it's a lot different than what you know toronto is doing everything they can to build around him to convince him to stay there as well so they're yeah there's a lot of people going after am 34 gee i've seen a lot of bruins fans like discussing like trade zaka like why do you want to trade zaka i i think it's just capitalizing on a high return i'm not in the camp i i don't want to trade zaka i don't think he is your what your prototypical 1c but this is a team that needs centers like center help they need center help why are you going to trade your best center right now i guess the argument is you want hagins you want mitten to get some time but i i'm keeping pavel zaka no great year the one thing this team needs right now it's just because people are seeing all the returns that these other guys are getting but the the one thing this boston bruins team needs right now is a right-handed defenseman they need help on the back end that's where they they need to spend their money here at the at when free agency starts but i i like this deal rosmas anderson if i i'm not a rasmus anderson guy but then the other one what about for six and a half or seven million no chance here buddy darnell darnell's the other name they're throwing out there so it's like what the fuck here like if if you take elias lindholm off our hands i'll be honest i'll take darnell with open arms if darnell's on your team without you guys paying the full salary if darnell's on your team making six you'd love them i'm telling you yeah for sure oh no question but i'll i'll pay darnell almost a full salary if you take a lot of money and you don't have a lot of money and you at seven five off of our hands that is a uh that is the worst contract one of the worst contracts in the league and then edmonton's not gonna make that deal no especially because in the end of his year press conference he starts complaining about his back he's like oh this back problem it's really heating up who knows where this is gonna take it it's like oh god now you can't get traded that that's that's never ideal i would say that the the bruins there's a lot like they're they're i don't know i don't think it's going to be looking good for them moving forward here i think no i said that last year too like and then i know but then they get in and it was like look at their division i know this is a typical jeremy jacobs move though at the same time like just get into the playoffs just get in the playoffs get the tickets get the sales that's all they need right for sure um utah also uh did something else they grabbed a goalie sebastian cosa now we we'd heard about him and we'd heard about augustine coming for from detroit like they were coming up and i guess the wings you know look at augustine is their guy more than cosa so they got the 23rd pick for him and then the wings used that pick uh what did they get uh jp hubert so american kid playing the whl he's going to michigan yeah he'll be good again next year so uh supposed to be very good um i i kind of think he was one of those kids who left the ntdp i believe that's correct yeah that's correct that was uh you know you've seen carter meyer now is is in the process of trying to do that but cosa i didn't realize till after that trade happened and i was watching the draft and kevin weeks was mentioning how much the melka plays where now we always talk about the goalies 62 games yeah he played a shit load but you got this what didn't it like with all the talk about how good this coast is and and uh i just would have figured that would have been a trade they would have made to get a good player in to help them right away i know same here because it was all you taught is like why are they holding on to both these goals you got augustine and cosa why are they holding on to this and then to trade to just get a draft pick i i don't know i thought it would have been one of those ones that you could throw in to get a big name guy in there especially a goalie because every team needs goalies i know i don't know if he had let me see here quickly this year in grand rapids 915 save percentage 233 goals against yeah uh the team he was 26 8 and 4 this year yeah so i mean it is kind of weird you'd think that they'd get a player right um but it is also interesting to see our detroit's our augustine's our guy right and but now utah has some help from amelka it is crazy to think he played that much but isn't augustine is augustine's going back to school as well like i don't know no he signed he signed at the end of the year oh he did oh yeah yeah he's done at michigan state okay so they got yeah they got their goalie the future cosa moves out um yeah i mean do you think they should have got more for like with all the talks that we've heard i think it's one of those things is we're thinking like we're talking going into playoffs near the trade deadline like hey is this something that they could package to that's what i just said yeah yeah i just went and took a leak so sorry if i missed what you said i just thought that you're like okay you you draft him in the first round you spend a few years developing him he has success in grand rapids and then it's like oh we're trading him for another guy we got a draft now and then wait to develop to see the excitement well hey listen if augustine is out and they made the right decision and all of a sudden he's kicking and he's your next dominic hashick or vernon or whoever you want to mention i don't think anybody gives a fuck if they see this guy go over to utah and all of a sudden he's kicking he's a six seven freak octopus in net just kicking everything out i think as a detroit red red wings fan you want to like you want to rip your hair out yeah and then he and then he says it's all because of that pre-game speech biz gave us for the edmonton oil kings that time that'd be pretty cool and then like yeah wayne made him come in and all of a sudden that's what that's what it did i did have a little bit of my saliva hit him in the face as i was at or as i was announcing his name so that bad juju just yeah he was fucked from that minute forward he was fucked he was fucked uh i don't like i obviously i don't know anything about these goalies but if the coast is that big like augustine six one i i don't know a guy that's played pro i probably would have moved off of augustine i was impressed with how he moved when we watched him i just thought he was very fluid and it's really a lot about how these goalies move and they're skating i also think that you know you look at a guy like bobrovsky i don't think he's the biggest guy in the world no uh what's his name too in calgary wolf he's not big he looks great um yeah i that that's a scary one for wings fans though he he looks unbelievable and um the abs traded jack drury uh to nashville he then signed five years ago and he's been four and a half that's that's another kind of sign and trade that happened uh colorado then re-signed brett kulak and brent burns brent burns is in in in a good spot knock on wood to break the iron man streak he makes 850 next year he's just like i just want to keep playing and kulak gets four and a half for my coffee and my backpack supplies pretty much breakup the jury the jury trade the jury trade surprised me a little bit like he i thought he was good in playoffs like nobody was going to make he's like they just got rid of colton because he makes four and and i and you talk about macar being up maybe this is just like a commitment move to him and maybe this you're moving forward here this could be maybe a regression year in a sense of you know they gotta they gotta save a little bit of money in certain areas like they're off the chushkin they're off colt like they're they're shedding a lot i know they're shedding a lot i actually don't mind the moves that nashville made i know we joked about the mid-off earlier like i feel like that fits the identity of their team i think that stamkos uh marches so in o'reilly are great leaders and you could see how they trended in the right direction towards the end of the season well you got really good foot soldiers ready to compete and provide depth to your team now i you know i don't see a reason why they can't sneak in next year you know i hope signs there is uh ryan shea i think he would be a great ad for nashville wow that okay i didn't wait ryan points this year he's gonna get eight million right do you guys think that you could see roman yossi move given the fact that his deal's coming to an end and maybe he wants to go win now towards the end of his career that's what i wonder is how many you also know who's his agent judd i i do wonder how many guys have requested trades that aren't public because a hundred percent they're out there we just don't know and not saying that that that's one that that's happened but you never you never know what's going to happen and i think that's a good thing he seems like a lifer to me in nashville okay boys we i know we're bouncing around quite a bit i did have a special guest planned uh for this episode we have interviewed him before but i know you have no idea who's coming on um he just released a book a telling book tom green no our our fearless boss and leader hey chicklets fans we're gonna take a quick break for a message from one of our partners being lucky you should be meet the new lucky one sweet tea from miss peaches the vodka drink that's 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wow he looks good too one of the funniest emails i've read in a while today to the barstool content team and that which is i felt it was directed directly at biz i sent a text right away it wasn't directly i mean that it's just a fact that less mascots was the most from whatever it was was the most promoted uh thing that barstool's ever done it had no advertising it got no views it made no money it took two years to produce it took all of our talent and people promoted it like the company was on the line and and it debuted huge it actually had a lot of numbers it was such thanks to biz yeah and it was so awful it's very rare you see something go from like a million views to like 140 from like episode one to two but that's how bad that was but everyone put such effort into it you know i thought maybe when does season two start yeah it seems who ain't coming season two we can't afford like they had so many people working on that thing so you know i thought maybe i could throw me a bone and get a couple couple books out of it so we got you know everyone everyone promote and i'm sure that some of the people doing it like nikki smokes i'm sure there's moving a lot of books and people like that but they're they're hopping to it they're promoting it my rebuttal to that is a lot of time and energy spent i don't think they had a huge budget and i respect people who take swings and i thought there were some great moments in it and i love the guys who did it like the feidelbergs and and that whole uh out of order cruise so uh but with that hilarious email it's just terrible you people listening it was you people listening go watch it and you can you can make your own call on that you know the numbers don't lie i mean the numbers do not lie it had a million people debut and then it it fell off to the point they had i think they rented out like the apollo theater for the opening i think art is about interpretation and we're going to let the people who go watch it that are listening decide but i thought it was a perfect opportunity to bring you on i know we've had you on before but to talk about this book release and why you decided to do it now yeah so the book was pitched to me and it definitely different things i guess get to me my ego or whatever but the thought of like walking by in an airport and seeing like your book in a window i thought is super cool or little bookstores yeah you go to a lot of real airports i used to uh so that and then i i thought france is gonna write it so it's like all right i i don't have to really spend that much time uh and it'll be cool and then france is gonna write it so it's frances wrote the whole book he wrote a book and i he spent i don't know six eight months writing the book and then i got it and i read the first page i'm like oh this is this this isn't gonna work at all and i've said it's awful i shouldn't say it's awful it just wasn't you know it wasn't me like someone read it be like that's not dave and he was kind of making up stuff as he went like we had lots of interviews but where he didn't have the exact story or back he just make it up and it's like i can't do that people know the whole thing so i had to write the whole thing so it took me another six months i mean i was locked in there i would have never agreed to do it if i knew how much time and effort i'm glad it's done i think it's like a pretty good memoir of barstool but i never would have agreed to do it if i knew how much was going into it and for those of you who are a little naive he's talking about francis ellis uh unreal comedian he just was at the boston garden it was sold out i believe he's a great writer i mean i would i was gonna say probably the real writer he's probably the highest or one of the highest intellects who works for barstool went to harvard so was that obviously the reason and his humor why you chose him to write it yeah well yeah and he asked he's like i will write a fucking great book like i've never been more confident that i can write in your voice into a book and and he is a great writer it's just he's like in the book it's probably like a good book or a movie mine so it i couldn't like read it knowing oh that's not true that didn't happen it was just a lot of a lot of like bullshit and he talks in a way he was still talking in francis voice like kind of the bougie like as i'm eating my like sushi with like uh caviar on it for lunch at the at my friends like what are you talking about it just was way off so i had to do it over you ever think because you're a guy who loves chaos uh dropping both the books at the same time see which one does better i love that thank you me and the francis yeah yeah you mean saying i wrote the francis no no no like panning your own ending francis yeah well yeah i mean he had no chance just because my audience is so much bigger than his that wouldn't really be a fair fight okay well so i bought the book i bought it uh when you thank you pre-order so it'll be it'll be at my house when i go in for my free copy now yeah he wants to we need numbers i know numbers would you buy it there's no chance you would it's a difference between you and i one thing i'm very interested i would buy that book thank you dave r.a is gonna write wits yeah in crayon but i gotta wonder uh i can't wait to read you were under an nda for so long on how you got the company back and now you're able to tell it and you tell the story in the book so kind of like give the i guess the cliff notes of that right now and and that's just one reason people should go buy it and for those of you who have been living under a rock like can you maybe even get a little bit more of the backstory as to like so you guys well i know what you know the story right yep i don't know the story well yeah yeah yeah i know and even if it was told to me i probably smoked enough weed to forget the story so so all right the cliff notes version of it is we go uh pen as barstool pen owns barstool jay snowden is the ceo and i never know how books you want people to read it so but i guess i tell the story here there's more in the book um how does that work anybody know about books do you give away no i think i think sometimes you go on and tell like one part of the book but there's a million other parts okay so i'm telling that i'll give the cliff notes version there's more to it so i own uh i own uh barstool is owned by pen jay snowden the ceo of pen uh he's like hey i'm gonna be in new york let's grab lunch we haven't caught up in a while we walk into a little italian restaurant i think it's a little italian restaurant i think it's a little italian restaurant in um new york and manhattan and i swear a guy walk in i go this looks like the the type of place you get whacked at like i literally it looked like an old godfather we sit in the corner and he starts telling me he's like we made a big move i'm like oh okay he's like we're doing a big deal with espn i'm like oh all right that's that's crazy but like okay cool is mcafee gonna promote it is scott van pelk gonna promote it he's like yeah they're gonna promote on and on um there's one part there's one part of the book that's going to promote it and he's like yeah they're part of the deal though uh espn said we will do this deal provide one thing dave portnoy cannot be part of barcelona sports anymore okay so that's a hell of a stipulation yeah i was he's like we're gonna vest all your stocks so you're gonna be rich and it's like you go on and i was just stunned to be totally honest like i i took it all in and i was kind of like well walking i'm like what if what if i'm not like totally cool with like getting fired by espn for my own company he's like well you get rich i walked out uh called renee i was like hey i just got fucking like can't i got whacked yeah i got fucking whack it's worse than a bullet yeah and then uh i called jay i talked so then jay met with dan he met with erica and told him the same thing and we kind of grouped up like do you guys want to go to espn like i'd be out i'd be rich and it was kind of consensus like fuck no we don't want to go to espn so then we negotiated with penn and it's like they want to do this espn deal and then we negotiated with penn and it's like they want to do this espn deal and then we we have barstool who does not want to go to espn espn won't work with barstool so it's like but the deal's already done So we negotiated this deal with Penn. Did that provide you more leverage because they'd already signed that deal knowing they wanted to do that so bad where you were able to go back to them and what was the stock that was vesting? Are you allowed to say how much it would have been financially? Well, I was getting that no matter what. And you already had so much. It was like tens of millions of dollars. It was a lot. So Jay and I always had a great relationship. And I get what was going on because we were getting hammered by regulators. Barstool was looked so bad. And he's like, all right, we're losing money on Barstool anyways. We want to do this ESPN deal because they're seeing it as Barstool's not working. So it's like, what can we do to make all sides happy in this? And it's like, let's give Barstool back to Dave. I suggest a buck. And then he takes all the expenses. All the Nates of the world are all back in my lap because ESPN would have fired 90% of the company. Like all these losers like Mitzi. See, well, he was already gone. But like Nate, see ya. Like go down the list. Nicky Smoke, see ya. Like everybody, Big T, see ya. Like everyone's gone. PMT, you guys, they have use for you. So it's like we decided to keep it. And that was basically how the company got back. So Witt and you were going on ESPN with like doing your hockey bits. And I wasn't. People have always been like, Dave hates McAfee. It wasn't McAfee. I'm like, fuck this ESPN. Like they tried to fire me from my own company. And then the Chicklets guys are going on playing footsie with ESPN, who I knew tried to fire me from my own company. I would have been fired shortly thereafter. I can promise you guys that. And to go back to the Mincy's. And by the way, there was a 10-year NDA where it's like, if you say any of this, deal's off. We can come to you for all the money, everything. The Penn ESPN deal, fell apart right as this book was ending. So I'm like, am I allowed now? Because I know ESPN and Penn weren't a good relationship. We were much better. So I'm like, am I allowed to say what happened now? So it kind of was the perfect timing for me to end the book and be like, here's actually what happened. I think one of the more fascinating parts of this is when they bought, when Penn bought Barstool, at what point to when he finally came, you said, hey, this is basically not going to work with the ESPN situation. How much of that, original buyout have you already collected from them? And what did they buy Barstool for Penn? Yeah, and that's all in the book. So it was like halfway done. Like the Penn deal, and a couple of you have read the book and I'm like pretty frank with the numbers all the way along the route of how much I was making. But I, so the original, the entire Penn bought Barstool for roughly 650 million total. So now, Kernan owned half the company. So it's not like I made 650. So it was 650 total. I think I had 30% of the company or something at that point. They bought half of it when they started or 30% because they didn't want to own it all right now and have all the regulators scream like, what are you doing? They wanted to test it out and slowly do it. But it was always after a couple of years, they would acquire the rest of it. And had they already acquired the rest of it before he came to you? But yes, but we always had to earn. It was always an earn out. Like we had to, every day that went by more stock would become vested, but we couldn't sell it or do anything with it yet. So it was like locked up. So did you not want to sell it? Because all these guys that you said would be fired, all that stuff, you had a soft spot for them and you didn't want to see them get fired. Yeah, that was a huge part of it. And like Dan, Erica, all of it. That was a big part of it. I would have made so much money. I could have gone to the sunset. That was a huge part of it. A second part of it was at first I was so stunned. And then, then it's like ESPN actually fired me. That's really what would have happened. It's like ESPN fired me from my own fucking company after 20 years. Yeah, it's still crazy to me. I don't know why that clause was put in there. Like I know I butted heads with them, but it's still barstool. That to me was an insane, because they could have, like it all could have worked together. There was no reason for this to happen, except ESPN losing, literally all the way up top being like the one thing is Dave Portnoy can't be part. Is there one name at ESPN? Cause Skipper's gone. That was a champagne bottle. Yeah. But is there, was there one guy or is that like a, just a, a group, a board decision? I heard it went all the way up through the grapevine, like Bob Iger. Like I, it was like all it, they, whatever reason they just, I was the deal breaker. Crazy. It's the second time. And we talk about the second time, like ESPN, did the biggest favor in the world for us. Like it was first barstool van talk when they blew that up. Like that's a huge point in barstool's history. Cause Dan and PFT, like we were at odds big time, like PMT and me were at odds. And then ESPN kind of united us and became the villain when they canceled that show. And then all these years later, they come back in out of left field and give me back the fucking company. It's crazy. In sports entertainment, as far as like deals like this, where is this, is this one of its kind? Yes. Like ever, like, is there any other thing remotely close? Cause I feel like you are so on top of the business side of like everything that's going on and you understand it. What could you compare this to in the past? I mean, I've heard, I don't have a specific example. I've heard people say founders sometimes get back their company again. I just don't know. Like, I don't know if the ESPN pen deal would have worked if we were still involved because we would have been rowing together with ESPN. It just was, it was just a, a, a such a slap in the face to me and be like, well, you, we want to do this deal, but it can't be with Dave. When you left that lunch, were you like, okay, I'm going to do this or did you, I can't believe you didn't flip. I know I was stunned. I was just so caught off guard and it was really like, there was a part of it. Like we're going to give you all the stock you've been waiting for. You're going to have all this money and you can just disappear into the sunset. And maybe if it wasn't ESPN, if it wasn't ESPN, if it wasn't some company where I'm like, fuck these guys, it's just some third party. Maybe I go in, in into the sunset, but it sucks that I feel because I think about it even now. It's like, how am I going to unwind myself from barstool? Like whether that's in three years, five years, 10 years in the last page of the book is crazy. I say, as I'm writing this, I've I'm about to turn 50. I've been doing this half my life, 25 years. So that's pretty nuts to be doing something literally half your life. But I don't know what will happen. We just have these morons who work for like, what happens to these people? What if I make all this money, retire, and then I'm walking down the street and I see like Nate mumbling to himself with a little, like, can you give me some change? Like what would I fair Dave? That's the, that's the oxygen that makes it run. And I feel like those characters that you're mentioning, like they're so relatable to your, your audience and like the vulnerability and the goofiness. And like, sometimes where would they go? Biz? Without bars? No, I completely agree. It's just one of those things that just, it works, man. It was just like the universe came together and, and, and I don't want to say it fell on your lap because this is 25 years of very hard work. And it kind of was going to lead me to my next question about your like, obviously entrepreneurial mindset, right? 25 years going at it. And this book probably starts at the beginning. I would assume the, the, the repurchase of the company is around the climax of the book. It is. Yeah. Like you're 50. Like, do you see, do you see yourself slowing down or are you just one of those guys? I don't know how you're going to, I can't see you not dropping a video on Twitter when something happens. I, yeah, I don't know. It's hard to be in and out. I mean, I've definitely big time slowed down. Like, I mean, I live in Isle Morada in Nantucket, so I'm not in the office and I, you guys have probably experienced degree. The more success we've had, we get bigger opportunities thrown at us that like I never dream of. So like the being on big noon kickoff, you know, it's a great deal for us and it's never, if you told me 20 years ago, someone's going to pay you a lot of money to be on like a college football pregame show. I'd be like, sign me up. How do you do it? So we get great deals that keep me involved in, in a lot of our bigger deals. I need to be in it. Like draft Kings. It's like, we're doing a huge deal. It's like, we need Dave, we need Dave. So that keeps me in. Um, and Dan does a lot of the day to day stuff. We have that talk last week. He's like, what's your plan? Because they're looking at office space and he just wants to kind of make sure I'm there for the business side and like keeping things going. So, I don't know. I really don't know. I have an expensive horse habit and I laugh, but it's like, you need money for it. So, yeah, we've seen some, some of the price tags on these grays that you buy. It's crazy. As I started to learn a little bit, a little bit about it. Like my little, my little pony, uh, um, outside your ego, obviously kidding there. Uh, what do you hope that people get out of this book? Like, do you hope that it inspires like entrepreneurs or the next generation? Is that what do you, or is it just, you don't get a flying fuck? No, there's no inspiration. Fuck it on the ego thing. I want it to be on like the, the, the New York times bestseller list. So it does it like, uh, you know, whether it would, I think Barstool is a great movie. I mean, the story is insane. Like the whole Barstool story really is a pretty unique, like one in a million. It almost seems built for film because of, we cover sports, entertainment, women, like all the controversies, but I don't know. Like it was, it was, to me, I didn't think much about it and now i am proud of it and i'm glad i did it i don't like having to push the fuck out of people to like buy it but that's what i'm doing so but i don't have any grandiose like oh i hope some fucking kid in business school is like i'm gonna do this and this and taking notes i think if zuckerberg got a movie i think you should you should be on the list i'm looking forward to the the aspect of the book with pardon my take because you mentioned pardon my take is like the engine that's running this all now and and aside from mincy netflix yeah and mincy netflix came in and everyone's like oh you guys are on netflix like yeah they they wanted pardon my take they got us and rusillo as well but not a lot of people know and i don't know the backstory of like the true bad blood between you dan and pft for a while so not to give it away but that is definitely an aspect of the book people probably what do you mean the bad blood we were we were at odds like right around when they went on espn for that short-lived short-lived uh barcelona one episode really like dan and i were barely talking at pft when he came over it didn't like me to begin with like he i wasn't a pft wasn't like we weren't i wasn't his cup of tea let's put it that way he was a dan guy and and i think he saw like i so when they when we get attacked or they get attacked or somebody says something mean during that time especially they're like turn the other cheek just pretend it didn't happen like let's not let's not inflame this and let's not let's not let's not inflame this i don't really live by that code i'm i'm oh you attacked us i'm going to attack you and turn this into a fucking gutter war so but they're trying to grow in the stink of me i think they perceive it's holding us down and i kind of look at it's like you guys won't even have this opportunity to explode in the first place if i wasn't making all these waves and got us to the point they gave you the platform to explode so we were really i think they were looking at ways to get out of our next step dave made all this money we're fucking huge we're like the biggest podcast in the history of podcasts and as long as we're attached to barstool and dave we're going to be limited on what we can do i think that was kind of a push-pull and espn like they didn't even want to talk to me when they did that deal with part of my take like if i came in the room it looked like a skunk walked in like they all you like what is that what what what like um what patched up the relationship the working espn they fucking canceled the show like espn it was on for one episode and they dug up an old quote from dan and i talking about sam ponder and they canceled the show so once that got canceled it reunited us dan's like fuck it i'm barstool for life and pft over the years i think pft is an interesting chapter come around and it's like i said this i do believe in the book like i honestly think if somebody was talking shit about me and i was nowhere around and pft was there he'd defend me like fuck you you don't know what you're talking about that's about it i don't know what you're talking about i don't know what you're talking about that's about as nice as thing you can say about somebody we don't maybe see the world exactly the same but we become like i want to say we're like bffs and hanging out but we both trust each other very loyal to each other how what is like from an energy perspective and a stress level perspective obviously there were some years there where where people were gunning for you the business insider stuff like like how how do you get to a situation where you're okay going on the offense with that stuff over and over and over where i feel like at least now it's kind of you've kind of came out the other side what do you think changed that was it that business insider situation where that was the the the peak of it all yeah that well that was certainly the worst like i've never been attacked in in a manner like they did really personal just total bullshit like all lies that that was the worst time i've had in the 20 years of barstool i mean calling your parent i had to call my parents be like heads up this is the headline of like an article that's about to drop about me tomorrow and it's basically saying i'm chasing a girl across the room and she's like screaming no it's like totally made up so you know that sucked and then i was crazy after that article came out wasn't even going on the offensive i knew it was bullshit and i had all the facts so all right it took me 24 hours um and i laid it all out and anybody who who open mind looked at us like oh this is fucking total bullshit i remember i talked to wit during this you I remember talking to you and i've never seen you like that i remember after being like fuck like just what biz is saying like you were you were stressing but and i and i was like this is horrible because you're showing me all the facts i'm like holy fuck yeah and you're like let me get this straight the girl wanted to hook up with you and you're in trouble i'm like yeah that's pretty much how it fucking went and then after that was over the new york times spent a year and a half trying to do the same exact thing to me so i went through the whole thing and i was like oh my god i'm not going through it and it there wasn't a day that went by when some random girl that i either knew or didn't know because they went through social media would be like hey some reporter called and asking really weird questions about you and you're just the the business i was lies so it's like i know i didn't do anything but that doesn't mean somebody can't just make shit up and they go with it because they already did so it was a really depressing time for that just and it changed it made me more jaded than i already was if that's what i was saying and i'm like oh my god i'm not and people have stoolies hate hearing about it it's like yeah i get fired out like i told a reporter about this my heart i'm like my heart's beating faster because you're asking me about something that makes me so fucking mad and and there's still no one really but it's who it's it's who i am it's like it's not just like you're chirping me for an outfit or a take it's like this is like my my life right it's like yeah that was uh and there's so many facts from that that they just left out it's like sophia franklin from and it's in the book sophia franklin from call her daddy played a intricate role she somehow i don't know how connected business insider to one of the accusers like what yes oh wow the accuser went on a podcast and said it and it's never been like that seems like it should be an important like piece of so that's obviously your your your gripe right now with because sometimes i see the clips pop up and you were kind of going at her because she was doing a tell-all book and then so you're like fuck it i'm going to unload the sophia franklin went through a period of time where on her instagram story she would just say do you have any dirt or or mean shit about dave portnoy and then delete it and she was with like this guy milf and we're going too down but it was like they hated me so much from call her daddy and and they just made shit up so brutal and that's all that's obviously a portion of the book as well yeah is there anything like uh like what would you say the most positive uh part of it is like the most like outside of getting the company back maybe like a life experience i don't fame it up but like what would you say the most positive uh part of it is miss peaches kind of blew up and that must have been she's not so much in it you know one of my favorite stories and again sometimes chiclets fans are like we hate this fucking guy it's like i don't care i don't i personally don't care anybody who can't say this what you've done is a fascinating story is just out of their minds they say they hate me and yeah oh yeah i've been getting some lately too so don't worry about it yeah uh that's why we got you on your shield yeah it is very um so whether it's legalized gambling whether it's finding in the early days of the newspaper it's just i mean i don't think you can have a story like this and i've said it throughout like anybody who creates a business like this and says it didn't take an incredible amount of luck is full of shit like it was the right people the right time to take advantage but so many things had to break just perfectly for us to be able to have a story like this and i think that's what like get bigger expand everything so there's not one moment there's a lot of good moments there's a lot of me in it like a lot of relationships not within barstool i have pretty much good relations with everybody for the most part who worked here or whatever but like the churning group i think people find interesting um i don't know it's a it it yeah i mean you talk about luck like the boston teams hundred percent like you start this thing and then they win fucking 16 titles or whatever it's just crazy we were absolutely losers like when i started it yeah like it was 86 that was the last and then we start the thing and it's victory after victory after victory not only that the internet comes around so we're like at the forefront of being able to document all this boston and not by plan but me and barstool start becoming the face of the boston sports fan and then the patriots just erupt and not only do they win all the time they're in controversy all the time and it's like everything's just building the city of boston people would leave the city go somewhere else tell a buddy and in boston's one of those cities that's kind of communal like that it's like i think i have a line at one point like if you pretended you were from boston you would say like you you were ben affleck or matt damon but if you're really from boston you were reading barstool like we're just everywhere in the city we just uh we just interviewed patrice bergeron and we were talking about you know them winning in 11 and then uh marshawn sagan after and you guys were just posting every clip everywhere and then he said yeah actually the the gm was like hey boys you you guys gotta go home yeah i'm home barstool got you got them sent home out of boston so just posting all the pics but um but we appreciate you come on i know you're on a book tour right now so maybe shout out where you're going to be at the next couple days does that start tomorrow uh so i'm going to the y well no you this is airing tomorrow so bridgewood at a place called books book bookends i'm hoping bosco doesn't come night so bad would you ever would you ever come so i can hold it over him forever would you ever come out with like a bronzer a what a bronzer why because i'm tan yeah i just said he lives in yeah i i rarely the wall street journal actually the nicest thing of publication they're like they want the opening sentence of the article is like he's living like a rich guy just walking barefoot and tan it's like yeah with my dog shuffling around my 20 something year old girlfriend i am living the rich guy life i got i got one last one um just with like the whole when the internet started like there was no you know playbook on how to kind of deal with the internet and you guys just pumping shit out like what was kind of your guys's interlog talking like how are we going to film everything how are we going to do this because nobody else had really done it right and so like social media trends like jumping you guys are always ahead of like the tick tock and like algorithms stuff and like posting to youtube at the same time and like knowing everything yeah so we're kind of like the first or one of the first true digital media companies like we're around when it started and i can't believe i'm gonna give like bald paul a compliment but yaz has been around just as long as i have doing it and we really saw how quick and nimble you had to be so you know we were fast on tick tock fast on an aviary to be blew up instagram we're really good at taking advantage as we've been doing this for a long time and we've been doing this for a long time and we've been doing this for a long time and we've been doing this for a long time and we've been doing this for a like that's quite literally like what we did like jenny dell or heidi watney on the red sox every game i'm taking a picture like raiding her outfit like just little things uh what's his face uh drink water like i'm videoing him leaving the game at the red sox it's just nowhere else and we're the only ones doing it it changed so much like i could have a fight video or a video that was sent to me don't post it for a month no one else posts it i'm the only one who has it now if you don't post it i'm the only one who has it i'm the only one who has it i'm the only one who has it something in five seconds it's already all over the internet so things have changed totally but yeah we were we were just not on purpose we were just like one of the first companies around to take advantage of it and i mean i didn't even think of it some guy built the website he suggested it and like all right yeah build it and we'll try to use it who was that was that paul no in white up right in white in white was a kid i used to hand the newspaper out to and he loved it he's like i'm and if i build you a website will you put the newspaper on i'm like sure if you want to do it for free he did it and then i'm like can i write on this and he just kind of made little changes that let us work on it oh so you could post your blogs to it and kind of like evolve it in real time yeah um i i uh you you talked about the luck situation outside of the buying it back for a dollar what was your next favorite deal that you ended up having white yeah ian white was a huge deal i mean the churning deal was great there's all both deals we did were great there's no way we get to our next steps with i'm not more of like a silly one like a like a kind of like you said like sometimes shit falls in your lap i mean we haven't done too many outside like the high noon maybe yeah that that story's in the book the pink whitney that's an all-timer um yeah i mean it really is like that started as a joke yep okay uh another question small question if you could pick your like top three people at barstool that you just like get a kick out of when you see their videos and you know like who are your three favorites like outside of maybe the obvious bosco bosco bosco he's he's one of the few who can still like truly make me laugh but it's never it's never with him it's like when he's trying to be funny he's awful and hideous but like when he's in terrorist mode and just being bosco and letting letting his true psycho out like the video with me and wit the taxes video they're they're photoshopping me afghanistan i every time that pops up i have to watch it 10 times like it's the wit has his glasses on oh my god it's unbelievable because he's so serious like he was a demented lunatic and he's definitely on meds but when he like even from uh surviving barstool like the clips when he's playing that game i mean he's a psychopath he's a psychopath psychopath so and shout out to your book and i'm sorry that i promoted the lemaskat so no i was all for it i was just very curious that it was so much for i knew i was going to send that tweet like three months before i just it was like i knew how much people promoted that and it's like i wonder if anyone will like shout out now it's all if you go look at the feed it's that email came out and it was bing bing bing r.a had one i read one i was like oh fuck the boss spoke but uh we appreciate it our whole group chat was laughing when we shared the the email where i'm like i gotta go above and beyond here he's getting up we're dropping a tell-all podcast 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that was uh that was excellent and and the book check it out cancel me if you can uh i did buy a copy and we'll see maybe i read a book someday which won't happen and he ain't buying it i'll tell you that so um what other teams did we not talk about though if we can run over quickly and i will say i know we kind of shit on ottawa for the return on brady i do think that they've made a few nice little moves in order to i think they got burakovsky yep and then uh who they get from san jose who's a smaller skilled forward ecklund right william ecklund yes yes and i like ecklund they're trying they're trying to return tool on the fly kind of like we saw from washington after a big loss in brady so interested to see what else they can do maybe with some of those they also signed out jordan spence the four-year deal five million per season he's pretty good came over from la and i like him so we'll see how that works out but he looked great in his first year la re-signed brant clark la also announced that they won't be re-signing dowdy before his final year of his deal um kind of a little bit of a you know let's let's see how this season goes and we'll see what happens figure it out then it's it is you know dowdy's getting older though i kind of get it um but i bet he has a monster year i i i could see that and i think brant clark it's his time hey this is kind of your team now on the back end the 7.4 million for a five-year extension um he's you think he would be a guy that maybe would get traded at the deadline dowdy yeah oh if they're out of it a thousand percent morons if they don't retain half and send them and they just brought it and did they not just bring in ray whitney too as a assistant yes a wizard yeah the wizard shout out the wizard coach with lavia to have in there and lavia let coached him obviously when they won the stanley cup with carolina so that's pretty cool uh but i want to see what brant clark does with more minutes and and more you know options for him so that that'll be a good one to watch and then who's the other assistant they got they got ray and then somebody else they announced i don't know i can't think of that i didn't see that i thought it said ray and someone else but the sharks who did acquire the ring they signed him three-year deal 4.5 million i mean i don't we still kind of don't know what yeah don't know what happened in buffalo uh but when he went over there it was like hey this is a nice piece with josh stone like this guy's a hell of a player so now he's at san jose he played for ryan wasovsky at the world's when they won it so we'll see what he does there obviously san jose needs help on d uh for the draft boys we got to go into the draft quickly mckenna the bieber the bieber's thing it's pretty cool i think you get bieber out there um that was awesome mckenna you know i guess there was rumblings maybe wouldn't go first overall as the as the year went along and it's it it was a no-brainer i think right when you look at it now and the leafs getting the first overall pick but i do think with verhoff dropping and san jose's draft is out of control like their prospects but verhoff dropped there was rumors of mckenna maybe not going number one overall that tyne and lawrence kid he had dropped from way you know they were they were mentioning him as a top five pick the guys who go to college are going to get hurt in the draft that because of the numbers yeah and and it's and it's so much harder than major junior that's just what's going to happen but i swear to god it's a good thing verhoff's now going to san jose okay like they're going to be a better team quicker than some of those other teams will be and just by playing college i think it hurt him and same with tyne and lawrence who left the ushl went to bu halfway through the year he dropped because he didn't do much in college it's that that much harder of a game let's see up from the ushl so i i just think that that's something to consider keep an eye out for and in the end it's not a bad thing because you're going to a better team if that makes any sense but i was yeah i was i was very surprised vancouver took caleb maholtra right with his dad as the coach that's just kind of like oh i don't even know if manny would have wanted that but they love his game and they're like no we're taking them we don't we don't care i don't know if that surprised either one of you guys at all i just don't i think it's just like uh when you think of the concept of it you think of minor hockey the good news is his man he played a long time and i know he's been he's been coaching now for a few years and he's gotten that experience to where like i think he's self-aware enough to where this kid's just like not going to get automatic power play time or playing time or even make the team just because his dad's the coach uh maybe from an organizational standpoint they're going to want to rush this along just because they need something in order to like hype up the fans and get them excited for it because we're going to have to wait and see what happens next but i think it's just like i think it's just going to have to wait and see what happens next but i think it's just who knows how they're going to be this year uh but then on the flip side i get people who would have been like i mean phoenix drafted josh dole in the second round people people claim nepotism on that and fuck it we're spewing nonsense online and look at how that's panned out fuck he should have been a first first rounder right it's just yeah do you think do you think fans in vancouver are now like oh jesus why do we take this guy whose dad's going to be the coach or you think it adds to the like the like the noise of how much they fucking talk online and the drama in which is like their social and that's i think they're one i think if you did a poll they'd probably rank it as one of the five most toxic i mean you saw what happened through the pedersen jt situation and hey man it's you know it's kind of a miserable place in the in the winter when it's raining and dark all the time and maybe that's just the most like the most vocal minority part of their fan base that are on there talking but i hope people have cooler minds and heads about it i'm going back to san jose that is like like you know when you say like they're looking like a snack yeah then they got the ryan lynn kid later too ryan lynn is apparently a great late first round pick who they stole and so they have they have celebrini they got will smith they got misa they have now they have verhoff they have stenberg they have ryan lynn it's like colin graff's young it's it's fucking crazy like we're not talking two or three guys like six to eight people that are big time prospects one is already an mvp type player right yeah i can't see it not being like it just a complete like rise to the top of the league at one point yeah i'd say from where they where they were to like remember how hard it was obviously playing in that building like always packed they've had their dark days the last few years but man you look at this roster their pipeline of kids coming up you got a stud celebrini who's going to be the face of the league when sid did retires uh mcdavid's on his you know back nine i guess coming soon so i i think celebrini is going to be the face of the league and if you can have him there staying in california in san jose it's huge because when that seems good man like it's such a fun building to play in to watch a game like that's huge and that's a place that if they're bad nobody's going to want to go yes you have to build through the draft which people would love to go and they have dickinson i didn't mention him and we're going to try to get mike greer on this summer because keith and i i mean i i grew up watching him when he's at bu and then became a fan of him and i'm like oh my god he's a fan of him and i'm like oh my god he's a good friend of him and we were all working out together he's one of the best people in the game he's an unreal person i'm very happy for how that organization looks with him at the helm right now um the other thing about the draft that cracked me up well i was just going to touch quickly on on gab mckenna the leafs like yeah if you like pretty cool story kid from the yukon like just the background and when you talk about personalities and like stories of guys who are coming in this is probably at the top of the list and then all of a sudden like the hype around him in junior setting did in medicine hat him making that transition all of a sudden the the the the allure of oh my god this guy goes out and knocks a guy out who fucking was chirping at his mom so even more media tension around him and then the fucking leafs somehow get that number 12 lottery ball so going from the from the the disappointing season of not making playoffs them thinking oh my god we're going to be so shit matthews is going to ask to leave to them getting that first overall pick him walking up justin bieber vibes could not be more high in toronto in one of the meccas of our sport compared to whatever it was three months ago or four months ago when they knew they were going to not make playoffs and potentially be giving their first pick over to the boston bruins for brandon carlo trade so this has just been a complete whirlwind and all of a sudden you have the biggest pop star on the planet announcing the pick so cool for him and his family to get to experience that he goes flies over to toronto he's throwing out the first pitch like it's just a whirlwind experience for this kid in that organization and listen as much as a i hopped off them i'm obviously going to still talk about what they've been able to do and from that change and getting him and probably convincing matthews to stay and now nylander is obviously going to stay you get one of the biggest free agent defensemen who are going to hit the market and now all of a sudden you're hearing rumors of like this right now compared to three months ago it's only it's only good for our game boys like as much as i'm off the fucking wagon it's good for hockey um also i've so i've reached out well first i want to say one thing the draft and the lead up to the draft is crazy and all these scouts they work their ass off but not one time did i see dax and rudolph as the first defenseman taken and so it just shows that like you hear all this stuff before and first it was verhoff and then it was dax and rudolph and then it was the first defenseman taken and so it just shows and then chase reed was the guy coming that he could go second overall and all of a sudden the first defense was taken is dax and rudolph who i had never seen one thing saying he would be the first defense which is crazy because he scored 28 goals as a d-man in the western league and then it's a lot of goals so then the rangers have the five pick all right yeah chase reed now no they go the lot being kid albert smith who apparently is like one of the most ready guys to play in the nhl next year so rangers fans like oh we could have had chase reed it's like none of you guys any of these people play how are you rattled right now like at least let it play out a little bit and then complain and then all right all of a sudden calgary's up chase reed time no calgary took the kid who has never before in the history of a draft fit in more well with this in this car and carol the the fact the kid stays on his farm for his draft party he doesn't go he's got a he was listening on the radio his family gave him a belt wasn't even watching one of those like you know farmer belt buckle things that said the draft on it he's a complete stallion yeah i'm like holy boy this guy's a stud and he's going to calgary it's just like that worked out perfect and then all of a sudden seattle's laughing they get this chase reed kid who was talked about as the number one defenseman for the few months leading up to the draft so all the noise for i guess young kids was walking around like the grandpa on road trip with the fucking boner when he when they saw that pick you all want to come back and go work coming back work but what a what a farm boy stallion that's going to calgary so that was awesome but my final thing is that i texted because you saw the decentralized draft they're all in their home cities you know they get the kids now or it did look pretty good with all the couch setups on the floor where the teams usually are so i texted nine people i know that work within teams of the nhl eight of them said and i asked what would you rather eight of them said go to calgary and they said go to calgary go back go back to where everyone's there really one guy one guy's like no i think this is better but eight of them were like no it's it's just a scene in that city for a weekend and then all the teams are there and all the you see one gm go up to another gm and i just i think it's way better the old way and i think a lot of people within the league do too so i would rather it go back to just everyone's there and then that weekend it's the center of the hockey universe and i don't know i like i know the league's doing well and the money conversation probably shouldn't be one but you're you're just burning a lot of resources and for flying everybody out for what you just talked about i think that they hit a sweet spot and compared to last year with all the the audio issues and how they're trying to interview each guy over the air it was just like awkward interaction so they've they improved it i i i didn't mind this way the only thing that is crazy is they started it at seven o'clock and ended at midnight right that's five hours it's a long time a long time i think they gotta speed up the shot clocks like uh the mlb yeah maybe give them like four like 30 seconds just just get them going fantasy football draft yeah just let's go here boys next pick auto another cool thing at the draft too is how they announced billy g is uh gm of the year so shout out to billy g on that that was cool i was wiped surprised them that was a cool bit i i don't know what like i think those guys they want to go like they want to go party and hang out like just go to your city and make the draft picks please like i mean it's not bothering us either way but i don't know i guess if they like it go back so i'm assuming they probably the other biggest story is these twins that were picked up by the pittsburgh penguins yeah first and second round now they said they wanted to play together they've only been apart four days in their life how crazy is that what they've only been apart from each other in the interview after with the family yeah they are very sadine like in the sense of looks like i would not be able to tell one of them not that i know their names to begin with but like if i did know their names i would still fuck them up if like looking at one of them no even when they were just like sitting there they had the same look on their face like everything was the exact same it's wild one of them supposed to be like a passer one of them supposed to be a shooter too right g so yeah i mean if you're the penguins that's a home run getting those two guys i wonder if teams were like hey listen pittsburgh took the first guy let's not even mess with it i know 100 uh one last note i wanted to make uh 2027 consensus first overall pick likely is uh landon dupont and he committed this past week he committed to the university of michigan uh that's a huge commitment for michigan so heading to next season i mean they got michael hayes i don't want to fucking hear about this michigan team that number wins it but here's the thing no i keep hearing about him is fucking now sick they are they never do shit so every year in college hockey there's a team that's fucking nasty they have all these young guys these freshmen so and that's been michigan for years and then denver wins and then denver wins but if you look at this roster michael hayes jr will horkoff jr like they're bringing in a lot of guys and they're bringing in a lot of guys and they're bringing in a lot of back these guys that usually leave usually they leave after their freshman year for once michigan is the team with the older guys so i think those guys are still young like some of those guys that like mankato state are like 25 years old will horkoff's 18 i want punishment if this team doesn't get to like at least the frozen four we have to have something on the line here because all we get is the glazing of the the university of michigan you must be getting nil money because that's all you talk about is the michigan wolverine hockey team if if michigan doesn't make the frozen four this year i will go to a michigan state football game or hockey game in full michigan gear oh what a tough weekend no no you have to go full ohio state i'll go to ohio state in full michigan gear if you guys how about we okay that's the one for now but if we think of something better then then we can we can kind of lay it out on the line maybe we'll go to a game yeah you're gonna send me to go get another chick let's you and i get another louis vuitton duffel bag full of money um uh but uh is there anything else that we miss from the draft uh like a store oh i just won the oh the kid from the cayman islands cayman islands he started playing roller hockey and then he didn't skate till he was 13 yeah what a story so like everyone out there the next can't miss superstar 12 year old it's like this kid just went in the first round he never even skated and he didn't skate until he was 13 and he didn't skate until he was 13 and he didn't skate until he came in islands that was that was awesome i had never heard um that story about him or i i hadn't heard of him and that's like holy shit and then i actually saw a clip on twitter of him playing roller hockey it was it was the goalie score it was completely outrageous i think he still plays but the sense got him the sense got him with their pick that they lost in that punishment by the nhl that the nhl gave back to them you know but it had to remain the last pick in the first round so that was pretty cool uh say what's his name again cover yeah that was awesome so that's a pretty cool how about the draft how about the nba draft being on a tuesday or whatever and then the nhl draft being on a friday that's how you know the boys are taking over yeah we were buzzing the league's buzzing all right bring in ra we're gonna talk to ra hello hello everybody welcome to ra's world here on these spitting chicklets podcast what's up gang hope you're enjoying the summer thus far wit i agree the draft a little underwhelming i wasn't crazy about this format i'd like to gab mckenna stuff uh the acknowledgement of his indigenous history his grandfather uh being in one of those residential schools if you're not familiar with that ugly history that's come to light in the last like 10-15 years study up on it it's it's insane what went on in canada so it's pretty nice to see him uh acknowledge his history like that uh the bruins i'm not gonna complain about the bruins until i need to it's not even july 1st every trade that gets made no disrespect g every bruins fan thinks they should have made that trade i should have been in on it so i'm gonna wait till i get pissed off about the bruins um and i don't know people ask about the captain when they see me it's like who gives a shit it's july players in the room don't really give a shit i don't think especially right now so i don't i won't get mad till i absolutely need to uh you guys are talking about bad clock i texted this to g i actually shook his hand after game six when i snuck into the red wings thing and i had already been thrown out of the game and i was like oh my god i'm not out of the locker room so i don't know how he didn't recognize me when he came in the room but i said that the g he said mentioned it here but um either way we'll see what happens with that wait what do you mean he didn't recognize no he like he i shouldn't have been in the room so what he walked in there was like 40 people in there i was like i stuck my hand out like congratulations coach he's like oh thank you like not like who's this idiot who has a bruins hat on and then he had tuck a t-shirt so like it's just kind of weird with the whole history of of babcock and the show that there's like you know dna going way back to the night you mean where we're going to be in the locker room and i'm like oh my god i'm not going to be in the locker down the hallway from each other so uh and you guys are talking about um captains being stripped of the sea uh if they requested a trade so here's one for you uh back before the 95 96 season big walt had the sea stripped from his winnipeg jets uniform he signed the offer sheet with the black arcs five years 17.2 million dollar offer sheet 3.44 a year which is big money at the time uh he was a 23 year old rfa you know in winnipeg they were broke they knew they were going to be moving it was a smart move uh jets didn't like it though they matched it they could have got five first round draft picks if they opted not to match it he did get the c back but i thought i never knew that he signed an offer sheet and it was matched yeah i didn't know that there was the last season they were going to be in winnipeg and i mentioned this before i actually i don't think signing an offer sheet deserves to get the c stripped either no that's like yeah like that was the loyalty aspect in in the pressure on players has changed drastically they were rattled at the federov for the same thing in that's like because like there's a big difference between hey i just got offered this huge deal you're not going to pay me and hey i don't want to be on this team anymore and getting the c strip you know what i mean somebody mentioned it about a team doing it for like a not even crazy amount to maverick bork just because of how desperate and how jammed up the dallas is with the cap but uh that at that time how much was it per year ra and like where would that have been like uh in relation to the higher played player 3.44 million a year um i'm not exactly sure i would have been you know pretty nice paycheck back in the day i don't know who was highest paid at the time but and that was the last year they were in winnipeg i mentioned this before i went to the coyotes very first game which was actually in hartford which coincidentally was the whalers final season in hartford yeah yeah like a little all over the place uh world cup just quick checking there last few games been awesome the canada game business i'm sure you watched it the other night phenomenal oh you didn't see it oh he doesn't allow himself to watch you know they beat qatar i didn't watch i watched the swiss game so they could lock that up so they'd host the round of 32 and then off so i said oh fuck i'm a mush just like everything else i did not watch the round of 32 game against south africa i went a nice long hike i was checking my phone and when i got service baby bingo bango we won so i will not be watching any games moving forward and uh brazil japan and you guys see that today that was a outstanding game japan won brazil was down one nothing tied it up early second half and then scored in like stoppage time like 92nd minute to win that guy uh they we almost saw the goal of the tournament that vinnie jr walked like three people on japan and goalie made it ridiculous save that hit the post but i turned it on and japan was up i was like holy shit it said that brazil's reached the quarterfinals in eight straight world cups wow and they almost lost that game did you see that goal by the american guy who kicked it like on the side of his foot like the way that he kicked it was insane okay so that i that's what this vinnie jr did when they're running full tilt dude and they kick it with this outside of their foot and it's hard and heavy like that is it's insane that's insane to be able to get that much on it with like the outside of your foot and getting getting it around the defender like bend it it's crazy to me yeah the shit that they can do handling a ball played a sport that you handle with your stick the shit that they do with their feet is truly incredible speed yeah yeah germany paraguay tied at one right now at 82 minutes and this has been a good game as well um oh you guys are just talking if you're looking to get down a youtube rabbit hole go watch maradona or is it maradona's clips amazing is it ai or is it a real clip where it looks like somebody gives him a lineup below in the huddle on the field i think he had a celebratory snapper there i think i've seen that clip years ago See that? And then there's one where life is life is playing. Oh, that is bad. that might be the most aura i've ever seen it shoes untied just like oh yeah he's just like shaking him but then i saw he looks like he's five foot three i saw a picture of um it was him and messi side by side you know the two number tens argentine legends and it's like maradona's 38 in this picture messi's 38 right now i mean maradona 38 he was he burnt it from both ends i think it's so impressive how he was able to do what he was doing while he was like basically on the wolf 24 7 doing whatever like that easy there's a great i've seen the documentary about him because he played in like napoli italy it's awesome i don't know i don't know what it was on but it's a great movie there's a there's a if you watch caddyshack that you can see a gaga getting done when they're at that fancy dinner party uh the the writer doug kenny he's sitting at a table and uh you can see a girl leaning over and do a little little thing right off the plate they never edit it out you can see it if you slow it down a little bit uh you guys just mentioned how do you know it's not like part of the movie uh who know well that said i talked about the book i read who i could have been they could have just been letting it fly or it could have been a joke to see if it made the movie i i would if i was betting a bet man i would say it was probably like you know real colombian uh it was like okay okay yeah because they were tearing up down there you guys just mentioned the kid from the cayman islands they got drafted didn't start skating or playing roll hockey he was 13 it reminds me of uh doug smith the local guy who was the inspiration for goon i i don't believe he started playing ice hockey until high school and he got all the way to the ahl obviously based on his pugilism skills but it reminded me of doug smith you keith you know him he's a seltzer guy i don't i don't know him no yeah i think i've maybe met him once or twice but i don't know him yeah he nails that guy huh yeah yeah he's a i forget what he's a cop down the south shore somewhere and he he's he reffed a couple of the shorezy games we did the charity ones he's he's a great guy so just want to give him a shout out they're a pretty cool story like i said high school stop playing hockey and get as far as the ahl uh i told you guys i was going to that strokes concert at td garden last week guys 90 of the shows i've been to rock and roll shows they're usually like you know sausage fest 75 dudes i swear to god i never saw this many women at a rock concert and it's not like yacht rock it's like in your face rock and roll not only that smokes like it was like i got like a hot white chick saving rock and roll i couldn't believe it they were like headbanging thrashing it was like good to see like because you know you always hear rock is the lead singer is a bit of a bad boy right type of guy to like sometimes he would just like not show up for shows or he would show up very late for shows like true rock star right am i you honestly do i hadn't seen him in 20 years um so i i can't attest that wouldn't surprise me yeah rockstar dvb maybe i'm off base here but i'm pretty sure the strokes are they new york city they're new york city based oh yeah yeah they probably just sort of like a classic sound but yeah it was it was an awesome show and again like i'd never seen that many laundry women but smoke a hot woman taken in the show maybe i'm thinking of a different band here all right yeah what are you gonna say keith do you chat any of them up all right um well actually let him rub the skullet all right great i'm glad you said that so you posted the picture of the skullet and it looks phenomenal out of the hat were you in the hospital oh um i was at the clinic when i took what uh when i took that i just a checkup i had gotten an endoscopy the other day just routine stuff nothing nothing it was very funny because i think a couple comments were like all right are you in like a doctor's office yeah hospital a lot of people send selfies from the hospital so i was yeah i was waiting for the doctor some people thought i was on the shitter i was like yeah i mean i'm a little weird but i don't take selfies from the shitter so yeah it was from the doctor's office um i you guys see that clip i tom cruise it's like a clip reel of his career but it's also a trailer for that movie digger that's coming out later this year no i check my feet it's a three-minute clip and like whether you know if you're a huge tom cruise fan or not it's dynamite and like i said it leads into the trailer for this this movie digger that's supposed to be a big one coming in the fall let's see classic recommendation for the week 1979 uh quintessential 1970s grimy new york city classic the warriors directed by the great walter hill i'm assuming you must have seen that yeah just a classic like i said new york back then you could like basically film guerrilla style uh all the subway shots basically all over new york city classic flick they used to be like gang violence waiting in line for it and stuff but if you've never seen it man it's uh it's the grimiest like like i said most quintessential nyc flick from back in the day uh what else we got here oh i'm going to see jaws this weekend july 4th it's coming back the theater so a little wow just go check that out in the theater is it like imax uh no it's uh at the brattle uh brattle theater in um calvin square i'm gonna go check it out yeah i mean i've seen it you know 50 times whatever but it's always better in the theater plus you know july 4th action so give that a whirl and any uh movie heads in the boston area there's a free screening uh today tuesday at the brattle theater in harvard square at six o'clock uh classic i mentioned years ago years ago a few episodes back the friends of eddie coil it's a free show and at six o'clock tonight uh doors open at five and they're having like a discussion with a local professor from emerson college it's like the quintessential i keep using that word uh boston gangsta movie so i'm gonna go check it out so you're looking for something to do want to get a free awesome flick friends of eddie coil brattle theater six o'clock harvard square um thank you very much to dave and we will be back to you next week and a friendly a friendly friendly reminder to everybody listening the reason that we're able to do this is because of dave portnoy and the company that he started that's how this all began hired ra he was blogging for them he reached out to wit when he saw his tweet and the same way we wouldn't be here if r.a never shot the tweet out and said hey he's up i think he's up to all of us wild i got actually one more uh congrats to my little cousin uh kate foley graduated high school last week and going to sacred hot in the fall so i didn't cut your pinky off hey kate and uh he's up to kate i ran into drew o'connor vancouver connects for the other night at the tavern he uh he got engaged him and his fiance a new show i don't know what that pink he's up to drew and his fiance let's go me and wit ran into brock faber yeah faber was getting off the ferry leaving nantucket he's a a unit of a human you don't want to go in a corner with him buddy jack or just thick he's like that ray bork bill yeah he's just fucking a cigarette machine dude he's just a house i was like holy shit was he wearing his glasses oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah he was wearing the glasses so he's kind of he's kind of a silly guy hey yeah well we were just we talked for three minutes but he uh did his personality come out that you hear about when they were celebrating the gold medal oh my kids i was like right this is brock favor he's like what and after he's like i just met brock faber i'm like oh yeah but i'm number seven too hey you want to tell the ferry story the ferry oh my god oh yeah what happened with brie we're all excited so i'm driving down the car that's packed that's going on the car ferry and i'm driving keith and cal cal didn't stop talking the whole time he was great and then we had to pull over he's yelling poop poop and i gotta rush him into a storm and it was it was madness and then brie's leaving with rider and wyatt um and yoshi and then she's got the luggage that's just going on the ferry and then i'm dropping the car if i'm meeting them at the other ferry kind of madness you know figuring out get away and brie pulls up because we got down early and and i was like hey what's up she's like i forgot yoshi i said what you like you said i forgot our dog um i immediately was like if i did this like yeah i'm gonna she told me you have done this they say not to keep score no no no no no keep score i i did it not to this extent but like yoshi and brie that is oh that's what i was gonna say you're probably like i don't even give a shit we'll pick him up next time we're back thank god she doesn't listen because if she knew this was on there i'm a dead man but uh so so then we we she called and got somebody to drive him down and i took care of that girl very nice thank you neve thank you so much but i then had wait around with yoshi i wait around with yoshi and and then keith were on the ferry taking care of my kids and and and helping brie get over the fact that she forgot the dog and does it make you want a boy keith takes a village uh no no no i mean i do i would love to have one of those little guys but um no i couldn't go back to doing okay and stage and all that so i gotta ask you how long as a husband to your wife do you drop the do you realize if i did this it would be it would be never no no no don't keep score biz you just said it no i know but i never that's why i'm not married because i would have the first but i knew no you don't want to know something funny so then i waited right i had to wait for a ferry i'm just sitting there with yoshi i'm waiting i'm waiting i'm waiting and i know that our bags are with her and i said to myself i said there's no way in hell she hasn't unpacked my bag and everything's hung up and my bags are with her and i said to myself i completely unpacked when i get home because i had to wait around and it was i knew it with three kids i knew she she hadn't unpacked anything but my bag that was her that and that's and there was no apology or anything that was the apology and that's the yin and yang and that's knowing that well i should speak louder because you forgot yoshi you're gonna unpack my entire bag thank you very much and we don't keep score biz and and and a reason why i'm not married is because if that situation would have happened to me and my wife you ever seen the movie half baked in your dog not just left exactly exactly well that's one that's one i would have been scarface at the at the burger joint jumping on the mic of the fairy being like yo yo yo yo yo check out what this bitch just did this lady forgot her dog motherfucker oh shit also i gotta i gotta i gotta say that um a week two weeks from today keith and i are on a bird over to london um work off cleary teddy purcell commodore ray whitney just a great crew of guys zetterberg and that coming up has me just like i you know i'm super on your best husband you know i mean i'm not gonna chirp you for forgetting yoshu and i'm going for to london for six days so that she could burn the lasagna and you're not saying shit you want to unpack i'm literally not saying a word about anything about anything no another note here guys uh staley cup final vlog with uh my tour of boston and merles just uh just dropped a little while ago wow the the highlight of the vlog you get to watch what ra is like behind the wheel of a car oh you got his basketball skills or something that should be g's punishment he has to drive with ra from boston to michigan for a game i love that not bad i love that bravo everyone everyone we love you all he said he's in love you boys he's in love you guys see you boys it won't happen it won't happen it won't happen again a bad habit worth breaking but it's taking time and i know it don't matter it's gonna happen it's gonna happen again