Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 657: Featuring Keaton Verhoeff + Tom Dundon

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I think Grinnelli's taking victory laps, but the Khachak's had maybe the greatest couple days. Perfect. Brady and Matthew are playing together. Walt gets inducted into the Hall of Fame. Father's Day. I was sitting on the couch and my breeze brother Ty is sitting there and he's like, Brady Khachak are traded to the Panthers. I'm like, what? I'm like, let me see. I thought it was Frank Saravelli. I said, who tweeted? Look, ESPN. I couldn't believe it. I was just like, it happened. And we heard about all of these requests and Dylan Larkin and the state of the league, which we're going to get into, that's crazy and Brady out of nowhere. So, bids, I got to throw it over to you first. Where do you want to start with it? Well, it's going to be a big conversation because I think it's just going to start the snowball and it's going to keep snowballing and snowballing. I think the Larkin stuff you mentioned, hella box names come up. I think that we could talk about the American influence and maybe some of them sick of their situation north of the border in that regard. Why did you look at me like that? Don't put it on the Americans, all right? Well, the gold medal team, no gold medal team changing the league. They're changing. Yeah, yeah. That's not even as they should. Keep in mind, we're talking about these guys are getting what they want. So, all right, sorry, I'm going to interrupt you. No, no, no, buddy. It's a spider web. That's one element of it, right? It's like, I believe we're entering the super team era. Like, I think that now you're going to see, like, six to eight teams entering every year where you're like, this team has a chance to win the cup. Most people would be like, oh, that's the way it is every year. It's like, ah, not according to like murals and bluntmen and other people who are like, let's be realistic about who can win a stand the cup and guys, you know, jumping ship a little bit earlier. I feel like hockey guys notoriously, you know, you kind of fall in line and you you stick it out through your contract for the most part with certain teams and you'll you'll come off as like unloyal and ungrateful if you request a trade where it's like, I don't feel like it should be like that anymore. And if a guy wants to get out of there, he should be able to. It's also why I'm a firm believer in these four to five to maybe six year deals to where, you know, the end is coming soon faster. And I guess you're not looked upon as bad if you're leaving with like a year or two left on your deal. Kind of like you saw with Quinn Hughes, leave teams in a good spot. Um, but yeah, I think we all saw this coming though. Yeah. Yeah. You probably you probably knew about this before anyone. I said it turned. When did I go on murals is the game knows that was the trade the trade deadline show. But the thing with Brady, I think he handled it the right way like he didn't come out and say he wanted to get traded. It was kind of let it and let it be thought by other people. Other people brought up the conversations. I think I didn't like the way that Ottawa treated him after the four nation after the Olympics when he got back. I thought like I was in the city and the fans. Yeah, the fans, the ceremony that they gave them like you look at some of the other ceremonies that guys got when they come back after, you know, the video messages and everything. I thought the one in Ottawa they did for him and Jake Sanderson was not where it should have been for your captain and your best defenseman that just accomplished a lifetime achievement. And, um, you know, but I also think that Brady handled it all the right way. Like he was the captain that team he never came on said, I need to be out of here, whatever it was just just kind of happened organically. And, uh, you know, at the end of the day, it obviously looks like maybe it was set up because his brother's there and stuff. But I think it was one of those things that Florida knew that he maybe wasn't happy there and they went out and tried to get him and and man did they go get out there and get him didn't have to lose any players to Ottawa. They just got rid of Sam Askevich and then, you know, you bolster your roster like that. It's an absolute home run of a play. Like you look at it now with all the the baguises Florida now like all these teams are trading their first round picks. Don't care about it. They're in the win now. They don't then they might be setting up the next GM for a tough haul when they take over, but I'll be living in Florida. I hope you all right. Yeah, there's there there's setting their teams up for the next five, six years to be contenders. And I think if you're a fan of those teams, you're happy. I got to ask this question. Do you think it would be naive to think that the way that American players who won a gold medal when they got back to Canada were made to be felt about how they they celebrated how proud they were to be Americans. Do I think it was bad? Yeah, like you feel like the reception and every yeah, I think we can I think we can all agree on that like what's your. Yeah, and I know I think a hundred percent, but I don't think that was the deciding factor in that. No, no, no, but but but you could say that it was it was just at that point just kind of like really like this is I played as hard as I can here. We can go so many different ways with this because I could see Ottawa Senators fans being like upset. I get it, right? Yeah, I feel that for them to I feel back like they they've loved this guy. They've heard this noise for a long time and they've they're like no chance, no chance. And then you know, they've had they've had star players leave there before and request to be traded out and like all of a sudden, you know, this happens. And to me, there was no surprise there. And I'm so happy players are now it's crazy. But players now have way more control if you're starting to run the asylum. You're not start. No, starting to was like a couple years ago in the pod. They are. Yeah. Okay. That's there. They're there. They're not being run. I still think there's like a little bit like a it's like it's like 70% and it's not fully it's not we're not fully NBA yet. Okay, when when when Larkin gets traded, Halibuk gets traded. Um, Werenzki's name was out there. Werenzki's name's out there. When those if those three or two of those three go. All right, we're at the point. And and funny enough, it's the United States Olympic team and these guys, I mean, just them winning the gold medal and then the league and the content. This gold medal team has given us release the group. Right. I released my favorite team of all time. These guys and but but I, I get this the fan side. It's it's sucked. But if these guys are in control now and you're good enough and you I could see people being disgusted. But if you can do what you love in a place that makes you very happy where you want to be and you can control that who wouldn't, who out there with a job wouldn't do that. Yeah, you're listed based. You're on a team, no doubt, but all these guys have given a long time to these teams. Yeah. Oh, I agreed. Yeah. I thought, yeah, I thought Brady and Matthew specifically, it's not just like, hey, same with hella box. Like if he wants out and he wants to go to the States, also heard that he was not happy about the reception and everything that happened there. That's the reason I brought it up. It's how much I was going to I'm glad you did. I would have. Yeah, it was bullshit. And it was like, turn off bullshit. And it's one of those things too, where maybe they see that other players don't want to come to those towns and play for those teams. And they're like, okay, if I'm going to go win a cup, I have to go somewhere else. So they're not, it's kind of, it's, they look like quitters. They look like quitters to the fan bases like he's a quitter. They're not. To that, I can see how they say it. They're not. They won't, he's playing with his brother. They want to go live in nice places. But can you not say, see how fans are like, he quit on our team? That's just kind of a, I don't agree with it at all, but that's what what he fights, but I like that they don't care. That they can, they can eat that shit. And they know while being there. I mean, Matthew wasn't, how long was Matthew in Calgary four years? Oh, what a thought more than that. Six six six. Yeah. Either way, these guys gave like, for sure, they played as, they played as hard as they could. People are all over Brady that Carolina was on the no trade list. He fought all the first pop drop of game one. And then you see all this stuff come out. Oh, it's teammates wanted them out anyways. And it's like all the stuff that comes after. Well, that's the same, those are the probably the same ones starting the all mark stories. And they're in part of the reason he probably wants out. Oh, boo. In the United States, they have them in question left. We won the gold medal. Yeah. Right. But the bigger discussion is now the, you've been on the super team thing. But then you see Ottawa, who's like making traction, right? They, they lost in the first round. But the teams on the right path, Halsey said that was their toughest series, didn't he? Did he? Maybe he did. He did. Keith. You're cracked. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, outside of Vegas, obviously. Yeah. Right. Right. But like, yeah. Okay. But they all of a sudden have draft picks. The fans are like, well, that guys are captain. He's run around killing him. They can score like, and we have draft picks. And everyone's saying, all right, well, now they can go get somebody else. So then Jason Robertson's name is mentioned. And then you hear it while he doesn't really want to play in Ottawa. He doesn't want to sign an extension to, I mean, you're now to Ottawa. Come on. Yeah. But that's, so what I'm saying is all these teams, these guys are going to, we got Dallas, we got Florida's, we got, I mean, Vegas, we're going to have Nashville, bitch. You've been calling Nashville there. Guys are just going to choose to play there. So if you can figure out a roster and depth pieces and good and third and fourth line players, like these teams are going to be dominant. Taxes, weather, like where you're living, it's not dealing with them. You could play golf during the season. If any guys enjoy the game, not dealing with media, it just so happens, like you have to group in the fact that like a lot of these teams that are down there are managed very well. Like Zito, Tampa, um, um, uh, Breeze Bois. You got, um, uh, Nill, you got the, you know, picking in the rain, Billy, every, everyone has Minnesota on their list that they want to go Billy G. Yes. So, so that's a, I'm glad you brought up Minnesota because like that's not the best weather, obviously an incredible place to play in the, but it's because of the way they ran in their organization. I do, it's, it's naive to not think the no state tax and the warm weather is, is something that's drawn them in, but there's essentially, you know, five to eight teams that are not on these no trade lists. I go talk about it. He said it. So that's why I think that we're entering the era of where like a lot of these good players are going to gravitate towards certain places until something changes. I don't know what that is. Is it going to be, um, you know, the media maybe calms down a little bit and is, not as intense taxes or a way to balance them through the CBA, um, the way that those organizations are ran, I don't know, but another thing about the Brady, if we want to change out of that topic, he makes eight million, I believe. That's a very, I think for two more years. It's a very tradable contract. Like you're looking at other guys around the league, who I think, like, yeah, like Peterson needs a change of scenery. Well, guess what, man, if you didn't fucking bend your team over for, you know, 11 and whatever, I'm pretty sure you would be in a happier or winning situation right now. But you have a bit of an anchor there. So I think that for not only Florida sake, who's up against the cap, um, it was easy for them to make that work. And, and they got what two years left. So, um, and like, let's go back to fuck do this guy gets to play with his brother. That's the house. Is that going to start that? You don't think the hoses are going to see that and say, where the fuck we teaming up now, boys, I know what they're going to be in New Jersey suck on that posh. Well, it's interesting, guys, because it is starting right now because like you do have the NHL draft this week. And there's a big discussion right now between the rock brothers who these are two kids who they played the WHO this past year. But everything that's coming out is they want to be drafted together. They want to play together. And it's, it's already starting before these kids get drafted. And it's, these kids aren't necessarily superstars either. It's like mate, one's middle of the first round. One might go second round. And I asked I'm like, is that a red flag that these kids are, you know, these kids don't have the superstar status that the Kachak boys have. And they're already saying, Hey, we want to play together. It's like this thing. Shit's already starting now. We're way better when we're together. And we're just telling you. Well, that's like the sedines, right? But you're, are these guys on the same line? Are you saying like ones drastically better than the other? Yeah. So they play in medicine hat right now. One is better than the other. So one is predicted to go around 14 to 17. I believe in the first round. The other one is predicted to go in the second round. Jason Bukala came on game notes. And he said that Bucala, Bucala, B and he said that one of them is, is dependent on the other one. But one is, the other one is not dependent on him. So it's, it's, it's tough. It's a tough situation. But before we get to that, so we're not going to go like hardcore breakdown of the draft. That's why we have guys like morals and army who were able to interview Bucala, who's like, he's the one of the best around awesome guy. We get to hang out with them when, when not only with the, or the trade deadline and game notes is on there. And you can watch that whole interview with him and find out what the, you know, the drafts looking like, where, you know, where guys slip to where guys might have jumped to. But going back to that, yeah, like that could be a situation where a team's, and even maybe there's, it's hard though in the NHL. It's not like if you're a second round, you're like, Hey, don't draft me. I want to go play with my brother. They're going to be like, shut the fuck up. Dude, take your per diem pack and fucking get out there and do the beep test. You fucking, no, no more testing. But with, yeah, that's right. It's going to ask you this, do you think just because the American guys winning that, you know, winning the gold medal, like they got that taste of winning. And now it's like, okay, like for us to, and you realize it in hockey now, like to get your name in, in grade and history, like, you have to win a mug. Like you got to be one of those guys to go out there and win. And I think that these younger American guys that just went over and got that got us a gold medal. I think that they're realizing that and they tasted victory and now that all they want is it. And look at every player, Larkin. He's put in the time. Even Larkin even signed a, I would say it was a pretty team, team friendly deal. I would lean towards more than that than him rob in the bank. So another tradable contract that looks great for what the next six years or like how many years he has, he have, well, Rensky, well, he's put in his time in Columbus. They haven't been able to figure it out. It's given him time. So every guy that you're mentioning, he's at the top, maybe playoff performances, haven't exactly been there to warrant him, but nonetheless, Bezna's. I think that with all the names you just mentioned, right? That could have happened years ago. And guys just never would have done it. And at one point, once one guy did it and another guy did it, it was like, Hey, I'm not sitting silent. I don't want to play shadow to Matthew. Yeah. Matthew Khan. Yeah. You go. And then Matthew goes down and, okay, then Matthew wins. That's the guys are like, then they just he just won two and a row went to a finals before that. It's like, all right. So I can go down with what where I see myself. I know these guys, the Olympics, I said, the team, team that broke the league, there's going to be like a Netflix documentary. The gold medal team that had the players take control in the NHL again at the end of the day. If you're a GM in the NHL and Bill Zito calls you do not pick up the phone call. You're going to get. Well, that's kind of a, like, but they want to, but that's kind of, yeah, they're saying. He's a lot of what is the word they're going to. Well, he has a lot of like control, more control than you think. Lefridge. Thank you. G in the chat. Yeah, but it's, it's a crazy and then if Detroit needs like players back, which you think auto is going to get a player now, but if they traded Larkin for a similar pack. Cause I'd be like, oh man, just two captains for draft picks. That's upsetting as a fan of all the body. It goes, it goes back to leverage or control. Like he's giving you a team with three, three on it. Like, you know, and, and like, you're getting three first rounders. Like I know it's not ideal, but if you have a good GM, like you can turn that into something, they, it, it, what's hard about auto one. I was talking to Jeff before I hopped on. He's like, I still feel like they're in wind now mode. And it's like, yeah, but I think that the players and your personnel dictates that. Like, what do you think Jake Sanderson saying right now? Yeah, what do you think Timmy is saying right now? You think all these guys are going to stick it out now and, and that's, that's the crazy part of all this is if one guy leaves these teams and all of a sudden the, the entire core is kind of like, all right, I'm out. That's when we get this thing would get nuts. Yeah. And I guess that would hurt Canadian markets, not chirping Canada. I'm talking whether, yes, media is nuts, but nobody's, I don't know. Maybe, maybe I'm crazy. I don't think a lot of American guys are like, they'd rather be drafted by an American team. I'll say two things on, on, on behalf of like the Canadian side of the podcast. I do think that from the media, is that an insult? Sorry to interrupt you, is that, I don't, I don't, I don't know. That is not a chirping thought at all, buddy. I was going to say it would be naive to not think that that. I don't want to say it's a, listen, there, it's a privilege to play in a country where like they want hockey, hockey, hockey, hockey, hockey, right? It's a privilege. Yeah, but like, look at what all marked out with this year before like the, like, oh, he's not playing in a must win game here. Like that's some of the shit that you might deal with north of the border. Like the whole like, like my mother was born in Chicago the way that I felt like Canada responded and especially to the players that went and were proud of that. I'm like, what are you guys doing? What are we doing here? Like, why are we dragging this into that and a drug and a drug, fucking drives me bananas. Like I love my country and I love Canada and I get why mates. Maybe some of them don't agree with what's going on down south of the border. But at the end of the day, like put that, who gives a fuck? It's not, they just want to play for their country that they're proud of, right? So I think when you lose, when you lose that and you lose the plot a little bit. And along with the media thing, it may have consequences. And I think that we would be naive to not consider that as part of like a, I always use the pie graph. If you're not saying that that's 20, 25% of the pie graph, I think along with like, the tax is element around with the, the organizations maybe aren't, maybe aren't being as well ran. Like we just talked about those other teams that have those advantages while they seem to have pretty good fucking management. Like Tulski Southern market Carolina. Like you could easily throw him in that. He fuck, he's top three now, baby. Most handsome man in the Carolina's Colorado, McFarlane, who was in Colorado is now moving to Nashville. Like where are all the best guys? Yeah. Yeah. So now if you're a top pick and turn into a top player, high level, at any position and you get drafted and you can say to yourself, Hey, if I want out of here, I'm out of here. The minute I want to be out of here, that, that is as, as much power as I can ever remember a player having, they always could have, they never did it. And now we're in a time where they're doing it. I have views. Yeah. Exactly. I know we didn't mention Matthews. Well, he's, if, well, we got to get to radish. It feels like they're doing everything they can and they've made a few good moves and got very lucky with the lottery ball where all of a sudden they, I'll stick by it. I still think they could be a playoff team next year. You guys thought I was crazy when I said that. I think they're a playoff team. I think you got to see what else that they bring in this year. Like, I think there's a lot, a lot that they have to do to, to be a playoff team. I mean, not a lot, but like to be a contender, there's a lot more that they need to do. I don't, I just meant I think that they could sneak into playoffs. But is there anything more around this Brady conversation? I mean, we do feel bad for the fans, but like, I think you're, I think you're a moron to not see this coming. I was getting a few like all dunking on me, um, Twitter stuff after his press conference at after the season where he's like, Oh, we're not going anywhere. We're committed to win here and he's like, OK, OK. That's people around about that. What I, if it wasn't going to be made public, which he did that, I think to hopefully, or to help the team, I'm guessing, what else is he going to say? Another thing regarding Brady and Matthew, and we talked about the leverage and stuff like that. They're, their teams got to benefit off of them being open and honest about it. Like, they just got three first rounders. They got to get Hubert O and, um, and we either weeks, right? Like they, they, they had an opportunity to at least get something back in return. Like I know, Mariner's situation completely different. And he exercised his rights and his contract and wanted to stay and see it through to the end, but they weren't able to get anything. So it's like, well, like, like, you know, you can point the finger and blame these guys, but at least they let your team have, um, you know, some, some collateral on the back end of it. And they can go move off of those assets to get other ones. Like Cal, how many, didn't Calgary get two first round or, or two second rounders for a week or something, or maybe first and second whatever they got. But nonetheless, is there anything else you, we missed on that? I just think if you're a sense fan, you just hope that the core that you still have there, you know, talks to one another and they're like, hey, listen, it's now it's on us. We go out there, we try to figure it out. We try to be the reason why guys want to come here and play or whatever, but you, you just got to hope that and I think that they have those guys there. They have the right amount of leaders. They have guys that have been there for a while. So I don't think this is like a total, you know, that they're going to be the, in the last place of the league next year. I think that, I think that they are the right pieces where they're going to be okay. And I think at the end of the day, Brady's in a better situation. He gets to play with his brother and it's going to be fun. It's hell to watch him down here in Florida. I mean, that's all Mark wants to come back. They're top nine, whatever the picture is, I'm like, that's their top three lines all rested. So now the guys in the Florida, yeah, we guys want to talk about them now. Yeah, I guess you could lead into that because you look at the forwards. I just brought it up, but they don't have a goal, they don't have a goalie right now. No, and it seems, it just seems like Bob's. Is he going to be somewhere else? I don't know, man, I figure, I honestly figured he'd be signed by now if he was going to be staying. You know, it's one of those things for me, like he's made enough money. He's, he's at that age where, I mean, obviously he want a Stanley Cup, you know, a year or what's it? Two years ago now, whatever. So I think for him, it's like, listen, I just want you a Stanley Cup. I know I might be getting older. He wants to get paid what he's deserved, but it's also like, hey, listen, man, like you, you, you won two Stanley Cubs here. You made a ton of dough. I think it's time that you give that back and maybe sign a two year deal of five million bucks. I don't know. Like that's, like, isn't two and a half per or five? No, no, five a year. I think you did, right? Yeah, I think that which where he's at, that's a career. He has the leverage to where he could buck and probably go somewhere and make like 30 million over the next four years. Yeah, maybe, maybe more. Um, I understand, like, I think if you've already made what he, he's made legacies more important at this point and like, fuck, buddy, play half the amount of regular season games and then just start ramping up and gearing up for playoffs. Like, you know, you're comfortable with the group. I feel like this move is a message to him being like, hey, man, get on or get you, you're either on or in or in the way. Yeah. Like, we don't, we don't, we don't, if you know, we don't want to be part of this, everybody who's there is making less than they should be, yeah, everyone, right? I mean, maybe, maybe Matthew is being fairly compensated because he hit it at the perfect time. He makes like what, nine and a half bark off, obviously, is, is very underpaid, fourslings underpaid, Eckblad took a discount. The list goes on and on and on. Well, let's not forget, like, like, they have, they have no goalies on their roster right now, and the guy that they could have had for league minimum, just want to Stanley cop too. Like, so if they played it right, like, they could still have bussy right now. Yeah. Baby, come back. No, bussy's making, I think bussy's making what one, five, the next three years, one eight, I believe, right? Or is it one, one eight? Yeah, one eight. So you might be right. After that performance, um, do you guys agree? You might not like it, but do you agree that we're headed to the super team era? I like that guys have a say. I really do. I mean, like Whit said, like, they're putting in their time. They're giving these teams, you know, close to 10 years, I know that's what I'm saying. You think that we're going to see, see more super teams. It's still hard. It's hard. That's what I'm saying. It's still hard. I think, yeah. All right. So why just read this? Kiprio said today that Dallas is Larkin's preferred destination. All right. Let's just do better. Yeah, so if you a Dallas is going to load up to get dialysis on the list. It was the I go comment. Yeah. Well, one of the five, five teams that are never on a no trade list. what is it Dallas, Vegas, Florida, Tampa. Now you got Nashville. Now maybe before now guys are going to Carolina, no problem. You saw Brady put them on the list. Minnesota, who else am I forgetting would it be in the soup in the soup? Montreal. I would consider Montreal to really, okay. Yeah, because there's it's not just there. So they're the anomaly in Canada. Yeah, for a few reasons. Like if you're American, you go there, have the people like you can't even understand. They don't speak your language. They're speaking French. It's not so French. Like Quebec, where you can like get around and operate. And you're a God building sold out every night. It's unreal team, which in management. Like they got it all, right? That's that's the anomaly in Canada. And I think that people will say, I want to I want to go there regardless of being American and and where we're at now. And they're a young team with guys that are coming up. They're still making not a ton of money. Yeah, they're they're going to be good for a while. And I would prefer watching. I want to see eight wagons getting to the to the to the second round of playoffs and just going at each other. Obviously Colorado being one of those super teams that's going to be looking to add and you know, they're going to be right there again. But do you think people considered Minnesota this year going in a super team? Quote. No, but no, but because of what they've set up and what they have right now, they're Billy G is looking at it the way the same way Zito is. Like what what the fuck are we doing? Just dip in our toe in for a 10 year stretch. I don't give a fuck. Let's win some Stanley cops. And then let's be dog shit in five years. And maybe Zito's like a piece out. I'm going to go do this jump on this wagon too. Like there's going to be a little bit of loyalty lost here. But who gives a fuck? Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's lost already. But let's rip here. Because when the GM when the GMs were trading guys, it wasn't like all the other part. I know you could just get sent packing. Yeah. Now now, but you guys get the you want to you want to stop it? It's up to them getting rid of and not handing out no move clauses. Boys, let's watch. And that's it. And let's let's watch best on best. I wonder if they did best players against the best players. If they didn't have the no moves, guys would be traded more. And then the GMs don't get, you know, like the the heat that the players get when they get asked for trade. It was it was wild. And yeah, I think it's probably yeah, they'll be more to come. They'll be more come drafts coming up. So we knew we've just been hearing it was going to be it was going to be a crazy summer. G you called he going to Jersey. So you knew he was leaving, but Keith, you called Florida. You were on all right. I thought Dallas during I thought Dallas during the season. Then if it didn't get down, we changed it. Yeah. We A G did get us a good interview. We talked about not doing like the full draft breakdown, like Buckel on game notes did, but we did get Keaton Airhoff on who is a top rated defenseman. Some say he slipped in here, but it's so volatile nowadays with these young guys easily a top 15 pick. Why are you laughing right now? What would you, what would you say his name was? Is it Keaton Airhoff? They're off. They're off. They're off. They're off. They're off. You were thinking of it the old Kanak. Yeah, old Kanak. Sorry. Oh, you never fucked up a name. No, no, no, it was funny because we just literally just out of mind. But yeah, speaking of fucking up names, I'm here in Robinson is going to Detroit. There you go. There you go, Rob. That's your guy. Fuck. Robinson for Larkin. You heard it here. Yeah. He was great. We had him on for like an hour, a great interview. I think he's a top five guy after that interview though. Yeah, same. Same. We got him there. But a fly boy. I mean, how? I guess what do you want to talk about next? I was even talking about Keith Kachak. Well, that's what I was just we said. Yeah. Imagine now. Yeah. What a couple days with a good chucks. It was only a matter of time. I I thought I thought this was the year he was getting in. I thought raw the ball. I thought he was getting in. But once I saw Keith Kachak and then I saw the most goals by a player, not in the hall of fame. I think there was a butcher grass feed. I said, oh, my God, he's been tweeting this three, four years. The time's going to come. I think Ronik was the guy before him who had the most goals who wasn't in or they're around the same. So kind of nice how they go in at different times. So they can each kind of get their flowers. And although it would have been fun to see them both up there at the same time. But yeah. But the list of guys that went in awesome. And it's like crazy now. The guys we play to get a carry price. No doubt. That was just I guess it was his second time up to go into the hall of fame, which I thought he'd be first ballot. But I gee, correct me if I'm wrong on that. I thought because he went out on injured. I thought his contract kind of just ended. Oh, carry price. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You had to wait till it ended and like officially file or whatever it was. I'm quickly to go back to Walt, though. Like obviously the goals are the goals. Like cool stories. I never got to play with them. But he played in Phoenix with Shane Done. And when Shane Done was our captain, when our first road trip, we went on to Edmonton and Calgary. There was this red guy on the road with us. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, who is this guy with popcorn all over himself in the wheelchair outside the locker room? Go boys. Yeah. Let's go. And that was a tradition started by Walt. And I don't know if it was passed down to another guy to Walt. But he would, you know, they were the Calgary Edmonton road trip. He would come on the road trip. They'd give him money from the podium packs to, you know, help the guy out. And I think he would go to the rip joint and Calgary with the trainers when they when they when they did the stop and Calgary, right? So obviously, like, you know, red was probably dealing with a lot of stuff behind the scenes and in his personal life. But Walt was able to provide that escape. And Shane Done carried on that tradition. I've heard stories of Walt where there would, if there was homeless people outside the hotel when they were done with the pregame meal, he would go, he would go gay. Come on in and let there's fucking all these filet mignon's and chicken breasts and, and, and, I say anything else. Whatever it is, buddy, you name it. We got it. We're spoiled brats. Never hungry, League. The never hungry League. And he would allow him to go eat them to go eat. And in some cases, I've even heard that he would allow him to go to his room that them to go to his room and shower and they get it in a proper shower. So these are the types of things that weren't you to be in the hall of fame along with the goals. And that's why I guess I was so surprised that it took so long because those are the things that matter and what our game is truly about Keith. Yeah. 100%. One of my all time favorite red stories is when he came from Calgary to Edmonton with us. And we got him a hotel room with in the next day. We're sitting there with like, red. How was it? He was like, oh, it was great. He was like, just next time do you think you guys could get me a room with a TV in it, but it was in the bureau. Like, you know how you have to open up the bureau. The armor. Yeah. The armor. Well, like, red, you had a TV. It was in the never opened it. Never opened it. Never opened it. They're staring at the fog. There's a raw dog in the trip. That's just the one for Calgary. The only hotel room in the history of the world without a TV he thought he had. But I was in the, I was in one with no phones, but that's because in Wheeling, they took away from us. So we, we didn't make long distance call and his a team was so cheap. Oh, that's what I thought I was staying in a prison block. Yeah. And another Keith Kachuck story. I think I've told you guys this, but his dad and my grandfather were firemen together. And I didn't obviously know him that well. He was older. My dad knew him and stuff. But when I was drafted by Phoenix, he calls me, gets me set up calls donor. He's like, take care of this kid. He's like, you know, a family member. But obviously I wasn't, but just that type of guy. And he, uh, he actually let me live in his house for the first, first year. So I lived in his house in Greyhawk. Greyhawk. He had a car there for me, just like an all-time guy and a guy that, I was a kid that he didn't even know and or know what my deal was. He just opened up his doors. And, you know, that just shows what type of guy he is. And then the whole family to be to boot. Yeah, he was just a guy growing up. He's from power forward. Plated BU came just unreal penalty minutes scoring, fighting, just animal for so long. So for like, that was like my peak hockey watching years, right? Keith Kachuck running around. And I look, that's what I like. I first saw the old coyotes. What's the, is it the Kuchina? Yep. Yeah. He looked great in those back when they were back and they there. And it was, it was a long time coming. I wonder if they like start wearing or not wearing, but, you know, you, you think if JR and Walter, like, what's taken, what's taken so long, almost? Then both of them are in now. Those are two guys as, as an American that's like, all right, great. I'm very happy for them. They did so much for the game here. Yep. Um, I, uh, considering you just said that, though, like, you wonder if you're ever going to get in. And like, I've never, like, these guys are so much better at hockey than I, like I ever was. So I, I personally wouldn't tie my identity down to like that and, and be in the hall of fame because like, there's nothing else to prove. Like, you scored over 500 goals, you know, like the resume speaks for itself. But if you were that good and you put that much into it, like, you feel like you should be acknowledged. And, another name that hasn't been yet is Rod the bod. Now, I don't know if they're what they're planning on for some sort of special celebration or how they're going to eventually break it to them, but this guy needs to be in the fucking Hall of Fame, guys. There's nothing in hockey that he hasn't done now at this point. He's done more than like most guys who are in the Hall of Fame at this point. There's no chance he doesn't get. He just would have been legendary this year right after this Stanley Cup 20 years after captaining being captain. Do you think he's upset by it? I don't. Oh, buddy, after winning the Cup, no chance, right? I mean, upset, maybe a little surprise, but not even I wouldn't think he would even think about it twice. I just want to stand the cup. If I get in, I get in. I hope he's thinking that way because like you said, what else I've done. I've given everything I've had to this. I've won as a player and a coach now. I'm sure they're just sick of answering the question. It's like, yeah, they know they deserve to be in. I'm sure at some point it's going to come for him, but for him to answer the question every year, especially now, like the years that they don't get in, having to answer those questions. So I think for him, it's like, I'm just sick and tired of answering these questions. Just put me in already. And the other achievements for like, I mean, the World Cup of hockey was a huge moment in the 1996. So he was a part of that. But it would be fun to get him back on like once he's got some downtime. Maybe we can even get him all for a bagger. They should they should put a mold of his hammer and his balls and that sack in the fucking hall of fame for he's kind of like Rod where it's like not only did he do it as a player. Yeah, Rod did as a coach, but I mean, he birthed two savages who are now playing in the NHL who are fucking breaking the mold and demanding. I don't know if the schedule is out yet this year, but they got a schedule that game for when Florida is in Toronto. So the boys can be at that ceremony. Oh, yeah. Well, the league scripted anyway. They'll do. Yeah, that's true. The league scripted part. You've been on that. You're the murals of saying the league scripted at this point. Um, the Peck Arena and Carrie Price very similar numbers. I think they both have exactly a nine nine 17 save percentage throughout their regular season history. They've played around the similar amount of games. I think Carrie Price has them by a little bit on games played. Really? Maybe I'm wrong there, but he's got a little bit more on wins. He's Carrie Price has a little bit more on wins, but Peck Arena actually has surprising like 50 less losses. So his winning percentages is through the roof. Um, no Stanley Cup between the two of them. Yep. Uh, how many veterans between them? I think that Carrie's got two and Peck A's got one. Yeah. But you think you remember, I mean, because Carrie Price like in all of our times played against both those goals, but there was a five year stretch where he was the most dominant player and like all those polls that would come out. If you could have one player in the league on your team, who would you choose? And everyone always chose him. Like he was such a game changer. And it's one of those things in Montreal. They just didn't surround him with enough talent to win. Like he obviously did his part. What he could do. Obviously he's going into the Hall of Fame. So that says everything. But that's one of those things where he kind of, you know, they, they, they missed out on his prime there in Montreal when he was just so good for so long and they just didn't put the teams around him. Like, Lungquist probably went, went a little bit further and playoffs overall. But I view them as, as similar like they were so dominant. And they carried teams that weren't as good as how far they ended up playing into the year, whether it was the Cup finals, you know, they, they were just incredible. But yeah, overall, the team wasn't, was never good enough. But both of those goalies, I thought, yeah, they're in for sure. Burkey went in, which is awesome. Awesome. Do we mention the heart for price? He won a heart. Oh, is that in the group chat that we talked about it? Yeah. Yeah, same year as the Vezna. So he has the high high end over Peque. Is it Peque? Is that you say Peca? Peca. But I scored on 30. He won the 10 Lindsay too. Wow. Yes. But then I say, same year. Same year. Yeah. Same year. Same year. One Vezna heart and Ted Lindsay. Yes. Wow. 1415. And they won the Jennings as well. Holy shit. You're like that. You mean he won the Jennings. Yeah, a lot played three games. Yeah. No very often. Year off. Hey, so it went like this. It went, it went, carry price is a little bit above. And then you had Peca or Peque Arena. And then I scored on price. And then boom, they were dead even. Oh, shit. I forgot about that. I scored on them. That was like then that humbled him. Dude, thank God it already got announced because they might not let him in. I know. If they remember that scrubbed it off the internet gone. How about when we sat down with Bergeron? All right. What was it? 10 days later, numbers going to the rafters at the garden. 10 days after that, a hall of fame call like this guy. And everyone was just waiting for it. Right, when, right when it could happen for him, it was just time. And I, the fact we got to sit down with them was great. But we didn't weren't able to ask about either one of these things. So that kind of drives me. Well, we still we're going to bring them back on. We got to talk a limp. He's cut the comeback. Yeah, come back to come back. Yeah. And the comeback. But we talked about it. Remember, we didn't want to like bring it up almost like a courtesy to him because he would have been like, oh, I hope I'm in. Yeah, modest. Right. So this is more from G. He was nominated Bergeron 12 seasons in a row for the Selkie. He won it a record six times. When was the last time somebody was up for a major NHL award 12 years in a row? Probably Connor for the heart. Who? Connor for the heart. He's been top three 12 years in a row. No, I'm saying like in that range. Like I thought you meant more of like like even double digits. Yeah. And Berkey is Berkey. Do you remember when he came on with us in Toronto? Gee, look up what year it was. He gave an unreal interview. He had tie around undone and classic furnace face. Oh, he's sitting there and he's just holding court. Just don't know what year was that? It was 2020. He also told the nail jack-a-pop draft story. So you're still scrolling TikTok now and that still goes viral to this day. It's insane. It was the worst draft meeting you'd ever had. Yeah. He's so opinionated. He's so good for media along with everything else. He didn't hockey. But if if you guys wouldn't have stopped that interview, I would still be there listening to him. Oh, oh, yeah. For sure. And he'd still be telling us on. I love guys like that. It kind of reminded me of when you had your old GM in that Florida, when we sat down. Oh, Dale, Alan, like just these old school guys that remember everything. Yeah. Challenging guys. The fights behind the barn. Like it's crazy. Crazy world. Berkey also, I mean, he gave some legendary press conferences. Oh, remember I'm talking about the Sadeen saying like it is not Swedish for I hook you or punch you after the whistle. Something like that where he was making hilarious lines in the middle of the playoffs. Then he started talking about truckulence. He's on the docs. He makes them. He made them just killers. That docs team that won it all would beat the shit out of everyone and he loved that he'd be up there with his dip in there going nuts and then always an unreal interview and given quotes. It was it was it was great. I mean, he was the GM of the Olympic team I got to play on and I made it after Paul Martin got hurt. He's the man to play for. Like he is. I love Berkey. I'm very happy for him. Jews reminded us when he he got in that scrap in the miners with a federals brother and loved it. Didn't he? Berkey was like, what do you mean he fought him? He's like, I hate you know, I don't think he was the biggest fan of federates. It was a federals brother and then he signed him to an NHL deal. I think that week. So he just he was salt. He's salt to the earth. He's the man. He's the man and just a guy that loves hawk. I remember at one of the Olympic tryout things in the summertime. I was checking into the hotel lobby and he stopped me and we literally talked for like an hour and a half just about hockey. What's going on? So just one of those guys that bleeds the NHL and you love having those guys around. I was honestly shocked that he wasn't already in the whole thing. I would have if you had to if I had to guess I would have said I thought I thought he was already. Yeah. So that's when you know it's time. He bring it over. Was he the one who traded for pronger at the draft? Yeah. In Hartford. And I mean and he pulled off the sedines. Yeah. Right. Well, I wonder what what did they trade for to get that other picture? That was in Boston, right? 99 draft. I'm trying to think of where he was. Yes. Did he poach? Moves his draft. Did he poach prongs from Edmonton? That's I think he did. Oh, am I thinking they drafted? I mean, it says here that he was acquired in exchange. No, I think that it was loophole. Lot of Slavs, Smeed, uh, and then pack your picks. Yeah, he was in, why was he taken early on? Yeah, that was the play when he got him. Yeah, yeah. And the Hartford, the, no, Hartford, I don't think he was, maybe he was there because he, he watched him in Peterborough. It says right here, draft day, 1993, Brian Burke pulled off a slick draft day, moved trading with San Jose to jump up to select Chris Pronger at number two. There you go, witty. There you go. He's done it all that guy. So he got him twice. I think it's fitting that he gets inducted on a year where we're probably going to see some squirrely shit at the draft. And he is one of the GM's that has most known for it. It's scripted. It's all scripted, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, fucking beautiful. Yeah, no, we're going to send. So Cindy Curly as well, RAs coming on. He's going to, he's going to tell us more about Cindy Curlyx. We've got to give everyone their flowers, right? Absolutely. Um, but league news. Shout out morals, Darren radish is now a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs goes over signs eight times eight and a half. Do I have that correct biz? I know that's all right. Don't give a fuck. Man, this guy signed in this deal at his age in the game. Unreal. Awesome. Unreal. I talk about just having this dream season, a couple of years right as you hit UFA when you've grinded the entire way just to make it. That is a story that's, uh, probably pretty inspiring to a lot of guys still grinding right now and playing. I, I think he, he helps a ton. Like I don't know why people are sure people kind of dog the dog get a little bit like, oh, he's all offense because of culture. He has a cannon. I, I, I love his game. I think he could, I think he could do very well in Toronto. If, you know, Matthews is there in Newlander and we can't on the power play, you can do the same thing. Um, at the same time, I do think there's a time when the fans of the Maple Leafs are just going to bury this guy. It's just like the defenseman that the Leafs get that obviously gets a little bit older and then they turn on your quick. We've seen it. We've seen it with all these different defensive for the Maple Leafs. Would that, if that happens, I wouldn't be surprised at some point in the deal, but great for him. And I think he's going to continue to light it up. But if you're a fan, if you're a fan of the Leafs, like he's the number one demon right now, UFA, right? Like you got to be happy. Your team's going out and getting a guy like this. He, he just had an unbelievable year. He, he's put up big numbers. It's one of those things that if you're a Maple Leafs fan, you have to be happy with this and know in a few years, he might not be the player. He was last year, but least your GM's going out and trying to get some pieces for your guys to stay want to be there, win some games. So I like the move. Like you said, it might not age as well as some other contracts. But at the end of the day, they're going out and trying to get players to make their team better. And that and like you're, you're literally fucking having to trade Matthews if you don't better your roster. I think that was part of one of his asks as it should be. And like I know that the, the, the, there's the title of what they want. It was a puck moving defenseman. Don't exactly know if that's how you describe him, but he's got a big, big bomb of a shot. He could play on the power play one. And he's a better puck moving defenseman. The majority of guys they got, right? And yeah, I think it, I think it better slots other guys on their back end. You still have Oliver. You still have Tanev. I mean, you know, the, the, the Riley Morgan Riley's contract is probably the worst contract they have. But once again, like he's a leader there. They love him. And it better slots him having radish on board. So I couldn't be happier for the guy like you said, being at age and having never really cashed in and getting his money. I'm curious to know another example of that. Maybe over the years of like basically making nothing until you finally cash in at 30, we're all said you pop off to hard, uh, what's another example? That is not common. No. So you're happy for him in that regard. But the good news is is the cap's going to be 130 million bucks. So if you're looking at to bolster your line up and get a defense of that caliber for what would it be like 7% of the cap by the time it's 130 million, not that bad of a deal. He's getting 50 points and he's getting 15 goals a year. Like on those 50, 60 points 100% and if he's not excellent, defensively, it's like, all right, well, you take the good with the bad. We need other guys to have that, to have that part of our defense, right? Like Goss to spare almost. Yeah. The only other question I have is what was the offer from Tampa? Like what could he have gotten to stay? Would you assume that he would have been offered like eight times six and a half? I don't I never I never assume on that stuff. Remember the deal like Stamco's wanted and he they didn't give him that. You don't know what they're offering. They could look at you as not just him, but any team could say he's kind of a product of our system. Um, love this game. Love what he did here, but we we believe that paying that money in different areas will help our team. I don't I'm just, you know what I mean? You have no idea, but I know for Toronto, I thought it made a lot of sense. Moral. Moral said I was like, wow, you know, he could go there. It looks good. It looks like there is a lot of effort to make them better. Matthews, you just yeah, you just wonder where all the all that's going on where he stands, but you're showing him something right. And now you have a guy with a cannon on the power play. Yeah, he's got he's going to help your team and also I feel like when we came into the league and I know the leagues a lot younger now, but I feel like the guys became free agents at like 31 years old. Yeah, it took longer. It took longer. By the way, Bish, when was the last time the Leafs had a defense with a cannon for enough, you could say, but radish is heavier than his. And then Ryan never has been a big shooter. Like back to Cavalay, he wasn't a big shooter. They got a I can't think of a guy running the Toronto Maple. He's probably with a cannon, a friend, Brian McCabe, the prime McCabe. Did McCabe shoot his hardest radish? He had a he had a cannon, not as hard as radish, but Cavalay was sliding him one time or he was ripping one time. He actually had over 20, a few times. Yeah. I said, I, I lie afraid he, I don't even I think he played Toronto. I think he has to. You guys asked for another situation of where of a guy like didn't make a lot of money until he turned 30. It's actually kind of ironic because Bobby McMahon signed this week. I mean, his first contract, $763,000 next contract, $134,000, I mean, $1.35 million, just signed for $5.75 million. There's at age 30. There's a lie afraid. He kind of looks like radish. Yeah. Oh, he's drafted by a little bit. Yeah, he does. But your right is radish cast to bring out the skull it. And yeah, I afraid he had 22 goals one year, 21 one year with the Leafs. And then obviously went on to Washington. His career hire was 25 rip and darts. What a guy. Hey, so Tampa, like, what's kids that stew? He was playing really well for them that came over from Europe. There might be a guy that's on Tampa running the power play that's kind of coming out of nowhere. We're like, oh, that's Tampa. They just keep churning these guys out from the minors and draft picks. So, but if you're if you're a Toronto and you know that, or do you say it or they signed John Carlson? Yeah, that's that in there. Okay. I didn't hear that one. But if you're a Toronto and you know, Tampa is an offering him or whatever he hasn't signed there. It's not close. Like, are you like, oh, shit. Like, why are they not signing them? Tampa? Yeah. Like, it seemed that he was all I think that it goes back to what went said. They're just looking like what makes the most sense. Like if we can if we can plug and play and put a guy who's doing 75% what he does and we're paying him one third the price is a hard cap league. We got bigger fish to fry and talk about product of your environment. You know, they got Gensel. They got fucking they got six guys there. And one guy they were missing in playoffs that we kind of forget was headman headman. So all of a sudden they got headman back and it's a different story. And maybe he's he's he's missed a little bit less. Does headman have headman's got a pretty decent bomb, doesn't he? Not like he's got a bomb. Yeah, he's just a half-clapper's hundred. But yeah, it's a good move for the Leafs. So he can't you know, there's been a lot of despite that they were getting dunked on that Mariner went off and and you know, did what he did and they missed playoffs and unraveled and had the fire GM or in coach to get first overall and to sign the biggest sought after free age defenseman. It's been a been a good turnaround so far. Yeah. But who gives a fuck about the Leafs, right? As as you got a statue in the but you know, that's when the clock that's there. Turn around then turn around. Yeah, you should probably throw. Yeah, he's got it. He's got to actually turn that around. Yeah, and he's got I like the fact that you see the autograph picture. Oh, there's no pictures on the back. If this thing just falls down and breaks, it would be amazing. Look at poor banana man too, just getting covered up by all his jerseys. Yeah, he's got celebrinies. I think that's the man of all thing he wore in his face. That's way better. That's way better. If you're not a Leafs, If you're not a Leafs fan anymore as you say that's that's a way Yeah, he's a Wendell fan because then you know that's Wendell. Sure. I got the the Nieland or scarf up there from my run with the leaves. I also got this. There's the McKenna T shirt. I got a nice little shrine working back. Yeah, you do. Um, so you remember that guy who I went and grabbed a beer with, like I brought him down a beer when we were at Penn State. Yeah. Yeah, it surprised them because he had the bison at Jersey on because he knew we were going to be there. He drew this for me and sent it to me. That looks like AI. How colorful it is on the black and white. That is incredible. It's amazing. Pretty nice to the guy. He wrote me a letter and I'm not going to read the letter. We don't want to be here all night. Um, but pretty nice gesture from the guy. Actually, speaking of nice gestures, I can't believe I forgot to, uh, we didn't really catch up at the beginning of the show because of the father's day boys. Yeah. Thank you. So funny. Have a great day. Although, unfortunately, Big Dan, he was, um, he wasn't feeling good. So we didn't get to see him. Got to see him in a couple of days. Keith. Big bod was he, was he just chilling all Sunday? Were you talking to him at all? Yeah. I was chatting with him. He was flipping out that the, uh, his peacock wasn't working to watch the US open. So it was always something. But yeah, obviously great to chat with him on Father's day. All the fathers listened into happy Father's day. Yeah. I got to, you guys are the best. I got to spend mine on a lacrosse field in the middle of New Egypt, New Jersey, just marinating in the sun, but it was great. You know, watching the kids play on Father's day was an absolute blast. So I bring this up because we wanted to shut out the dads and I forgot to it at the beginning. Um, but my dad being the espoise of you guys, buddy, you'd be, you'd be an incredible dad. I'll tell you that if you ever choose you want to have kids, you will be, uh, you'll be breeding, right? And then you'll be training, but you'll be an incredible dad. You'll be a demanding, unreal dad. So, but it's funny. What was yours like with your kids? Like, what do they do for you? Do they wrap you a present? Do they make your breakfast? Uh, no, no, no breakfast made, but just, you know, wake walking in why it woke me up early. I'm a huge hug riders down there. Happy Father's day, dad. I'm like, I'm kind of like can't the king this house and do no wrong. And it was just awesome. Like it was an art. We went and hit baseballs. We went. They went swimming. I played golf. Obviously, what did Cal say? Oh, Cal just hey, dad, he, he, he, he, Cal is a big, big dad, that guy. Big time. That's huge. Me and Cal. But listen, I brought this up because my dad gave me a gift to give you on Father's day. And I said, funny enough, you never know, right? But he said, this is for biz. DVD. From Blockbuster. Blockbuster tag on it still that there will be blood DVD from Big Dan Whitney to you. So I have the man. What a ledger will be. Do you have a DVD player? I don't even think I have a DVD player in the house. Do you have like a PlayStation? I think those things do those. Oh, I don't have any video games. I do feel a little bit left out. I feel like G's gonna end up having kids before I do fish. This he might be trying now. He has a kid. This he is at the head. Oh, yeah, that's done me. Yes, he had one a while ago. Yes, that's right. Oh god. It doesn't matter how long ago you still a dad? No, I know. I just, I just got, you know, he's with his new girl and yeah, fuck, I fucked that one up. At least we're not live. Yeah. But that was, that was me drawing a blank. What do you mean? G's got a kid because of the corgi or were you talking about fishy there? Fishy. Oh, fishy. Yeah. This is when the CT really kicks in. Yeah, maybe why a lot of just trade talk a lot of the league being flipped on his head, buddy. What was your, what did you, did you talk to your dad? Oh, yeah, I call him first thing in the morning. I think I called the night before actually, but he was sleeping. Um, you'll be answered on the couch. I just told him, he's, I said, Dad, I said, you're, you're the best dad. Like you were so like, uh, you know, he, he was so supportive. Um, you know, raised me the right way. We talked to the Nancy girl story last pod. Like he was, you know, he, you know, imagine you had the dad who was yelling at the instructor. It's like, no, he was just like, you're a fucking idiot getting the car. We're going home. Thanks for wasting my time and money, you asshole. Um, but just, uh, like driving me everywhere so I could like play hockey and live on my dream. I asked him. I said, like, did you really enjoy it? He goes, oh, he goes with my best years of my life, which was nice to hear that he was also getting enjoyment. I was hanging out with the other dads and, and getting to live that. So it was cool. I just kind of, we talked about him being a dad and, you know, his joys of it just thanked them for being an unreal dad for putting skates on my feet, working at the plan. You know, it's pretty easy that you just, you don't, you, I guess you don't really realize till when you're growing up at least, how they're just doing, your parents are doing everything for you constantly. Yeah. There's a whole lives. There's a whole life. And then, you know, luckily, I was lucky enough to have that. And then you learn like, this is what you do. Like, but while doing it is unreal, like all the car rides that would seem to some people to be annoying, that's some of the best time. And like, yeah, that's just the memories I have. So it's, it's like, it was awesome. It was awesome. Unfortunately, like I said, my dad couldn't come up, but I'm glad you called your dad. Big bud just wanted to watch do you have heart to hearts with your dad? Like you, will you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You have very close relationship. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very close. Very close. Big dance. The best. Yeah. That we're very lucky. Keith and I, I know your dad a little bit busy. It matters so. I feel just, and this is mother's day, say, it just matters so much now being, I don't know, being raised the right way to like you're saying, but it's like, you need to have accountability and you need to understand some things need to be done, but to live in a house where there's so much love and kids run around, it's the, it's the best, the best. You, you do mention that your father was very stern though growing up. And yeah, he would, I'm probably considered stern, but I don't think of his stern as he was. Yeah. He'll say I have, he'll say I have a, I have a bad memory. You knew guys know my memory. It's not good. Do, but like, when did that switch go off where maybe he became more of a friend than a father? I mean, that's a great question. As you get older, what was it for you when you have your own kids? Kind of. Yeah. When you have your kids and then even that a little bit still like, isn't it so funny seeing our dads like the way that they act with their grandchildren too as opposed to the way they acted with the other. Yeah. They're completely different. Like, my dad they say I love you to them. Yeah. They don't hit him with a belt. Oh, I guess I, I just, the conversation just went off the rails for a great reason though, fathers they talked because of the gift for you. So that was very, tell them. Thank you so much. That's so thought. I love them. And I was talking to one of one of the coaches of my girls lacrosse team. His, his girls both played D1 lacrosse. They're now playing in the women's professional league. And he was like, and I know everyone says it, but he was like, don't blank man. He was like, these things go way too fast. I can enjoy it so much. Like, I know you're sitting on this field probably being like, I wish I was out golfing, but just enjoy every minute of it. It really is the best. You, I mean, you were taking your daughters around playing the cross for fathers day, right? Yeah. Yeah. We trapped. We were in Albany, New York. Then we went from Albany to Vale, Colorado for a tournament and then Vale, Colorado to New Egypt, New Jersey. So in for half of it, it was just me and Lola, which was awesome because you get one on one time with, you know, usually it's the four of you or the three of you. So to get that one on one time is amazing too. Going back to your childhood, your father probably helped you lot in the hockey category was as strict as Whits dad. I would assume not because like, I think it's safe to say you were a bit more of like a bad kid than with that fair. Yeah, wouldn't that be the opposite then? I think he gave up at a certain point he just gave up. No, I'm saying like, like if you're like, like Dan was like more stern. Therefore, you were probably like a better more in line kid. We're like, some of these stories I hear about like from Janssen's childhood. Yeah, but they he didn't care. He didn't I, I was like, I listened. I was like, I got to do what my dad's saying. Keith was like, I'm not doing what my dad's saying. Yeah. That was bad. One of the worst ones we had a tournament in Mallboro and he was like, you're coming home with me, you grades was shit. And then I just ran out of the rink and got my buddy's car and left and it was before cell phones and everything. So he had no ideas of looking around this rink with, there's like 10 rinks up there. He's walking around, had no idea what I was, but I knew I was going back to school. So I wasn't going to be home. So I could just go to school and he, you know, I wasn't going to catch the hands from him. And when you finally saw him, that's not good, not good. What was the most you ever got disciplined? Did you ever get the belt or the or a spanking? The worst one was when I was at Milton High. My grades were really, really bad. And he he suspended me from the hockey team. I didn't get to play for two weeks, which in high school, public high school hockey, you only play. I think we played like 17, 18 games. So to miss two games, it was a lot. And I think that was kind of one of those things where it's like, okay, you you at least got to show up to class and do your thing if you want to do what you really love in the hockey department. So that was a good life lesson, but it's socked at the time. I remember when my games were going on, he didn't even let me go to the games. I was just sitting in my basement crying like piss that I wouldn't be there. You're letting your teammates down, right? Not being there. So that was a good life lesson that he taught me. I'm sure he didn't want to suspend me from the games and not let me play, but it was the right thing to do. The last thing I'll ask is I would imagine that that's probably the hardest part about being a father is when you have to discipline them and like they hate your guts. And as much as you love them, you know what's the best thing in the long run? I mean, I don't know how your daughters are, Ian's, but with your kids are kind of like at that age now where Ryder seems like he's very easy. And why it's a little bit more like maybe gives it back to me, but Cal's giving it back to both of us more than anyone. Y'all in a row, he's bossing us around. God, water. I got it. I'm like, please, he's getting the please in, but he's the one that's really running the show. But yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, you just wonder, look, oh, am I doing it too much sometimes? Does it just like parenting's hard. It's amazing, but it's hard. I think I don't know, I'm doing my best as Keith is and everyone out there, they're just doing your best. But being a good parent's like difficult, you know, there's times that you're just so focused on all the kids where then you, you know, you realize you got to really stay on things for yourself, for your wife, it's amazing hard work. That's why I guess you always hear the saying, like, no, being a good parent takes a lot of time and effort. And so you love it, but there are times that you're like, yeah, I'm showing up to him. I'm not missing that thing. I don't miss anything when we're not traveling. And I could be doing other things, but some people love to do and I've just choose to be around my kids. Yeah, it's Keith said it goes fast. It's an amazing thing. It's crazy. It's crazy. You think of things that were six months ago. They, it's, I don't know. Yeah, you've got another last one. This business, Dr. Melfy, what's the other last one? I was just going to ask, like, how much time are you spending, like, reflecting on what you talked about where you're like, you know, am I being hard enough? Am I being too hard? Like, is it like, do you pretty much all day for me? I'm like, yeah, like, like, oh, what am I, what, what do I say to about it before? What do I need to say to him? What I'm going to do with why it? What are we going with? Cal, like, you're pretty much just all day, like, kind of judging yourself and trying to like make the best decision with the kids. Do you know, you're on your, your buzzing around base? It's like you when you're like getting deals done. Like, you're on your toes the whole time. legit. You're on your toes all day bound. Do you ever, do you ever then be like, all right, I'm just going to, like, we can be silent here. He doesn't need to hear my voice and. Yeah, I'm not always just, what do you think I'm talking? Like, I, I start, I don't know. I met more so when they're like, you were saying, like, before games and after games, like, do you ever just kind of let him? Oh, no, I, rider and I, yeah, riders, we, I'll just. I've gotten way better at just being very positive and just rider have a lot of fun and he does a good, he does a good job of trying things, like, takes him a little longer, like, at least with hockey and others, some other things, like, until he tries it and then he tries it, he gives it his best effort and I just tell him, sometimes like, you got to make a better play there. But I'm like, you were trying your hardest on the way back, trying to get it. So it is, it is old. Had he's like, hey, you got to make a better play there. And then like, in reality, he's like, what the fuck are you doing? I, yeah, I think you're going to go late. You're throwing a pizza up the middle. Well, you're right. I'm checking for the live barbed camera. I'm like, where's that? What the hell are you doing? Oh, shit. Uh, yeah, great little, great little side discussion there. I love that. Well, I think that there's a lot of, like, a lot of dads who probably listen to show a lot of them. I hear when I'm on the road, they listen to it with their kid. That's one of their bonding experiences. So great, yeah, great, great to hear what you boys are up to. And yeah, maybe eventually when I, when I dump a few in one, I know your messages are what's, no, it's all kind of coming together, right? I went to the hockey school, got the itch. All of a sudden the father's day post got the itch. Oh, you being unreal, that I've gotten a few breeders in my DMs. A couple of D one athletes, really former, former former, former say this is a good thing. This isn't live. Hey, yeah, former. No, I mean, we can keep that, but I clarified former, uh, the, the hurricanes, boys, they ripped up the parade, rip and rot the bod shirt off. That was, that was legendary this week. I think this, you see the lucky gave carrier when he ripped the shirt off. I was like, Oh boy, not the guy, not to mention Deloitte is up there, signing a contract or to your extension, Kulski whips out the contract. The pen, that was, uh, wait a minute. I didn't see this clip. They did it on stage on stage. Yeah, buddy. I turned me in fucking, I shut down a lot of the social media. It'll last like three, four days, just to kind of block. Can I get a break once in a while? Absolutely. I didn't see that. I hope to see that clip come out. Um, last thing I was going to say, though, is, uh, is Bertuzo, Robert Bobby or Tuzo love the combine idea for like the breeder, like do like a, like a busy combine where we, we're maybe get 15, 20 girl. I was just throwing it out there. If you guys are down to like help me organize. I've been on the, I've been on the look for breeders for this seem. This seems like it could be a Netflix show. Oh, yeah, I can see this dropping as an effort. Well, they do ones for, uh, busy blue. What's the farming one they do? Farmer's life. Yeah, Farmer's wife, they do like certain. I'm just like, I want straight up athletes. Like, I want my kids signing a contract, just like Dolore A, but like out of my future wife's vagina. So I was out of the vagina sign and deals. I was thinking about the athlete, busy. You're going to be like, what's the mums? What's the mom going to be doing after she gives birth? Is she going to be like living with you guys and helping you? What like who's going to be taking care of this kid when like you have to change the diaper, go to the doctor's, go to the dentist, sign up for school. Who's doing all that? I always said that like the reason I'm waiting is like, I want to be a present father. Like I, I, I'm, I'm what? No, I'm just not like that. Yeah. What do you mean? He said Jeff. Yeah, like he said, who's going to organize everything? You're texting Jeff and what's little, what's little business? What's little business schedule after school? I don't know, I asked Jeff, but I will, I will, I will want to do it the way that my parents did it. I won't have, I want to be a present father. That's why I actually like if we're talking honestly here, I don't think I would be running the same schedule as I am now if I'm going to be a dad, right? Just like you said, you, you couldn't know, I, I got to be, there might be people who do that as dad, maybe with older kids, I would never do that. You would never be home. No, but some people have to do that. Some people are home a lot. That's, that's hard. People are doing that. People are traveling a ton for their, for their job. And that's when you're, fuck, I didn't see my kids for their first eight years. You're right. Yeah, but I mean, when you came home off the road, you got to see them, like you were there, like every, every night, like when you're home, but yeah, I, yeah, for sure. I think that like you guys know anything I do, I kind of go balls to the wall in and that, I think being a dad balls deep to the wall's deep will be definitely one, but that's it. We can move on. Yeah, we can move on. So that listen, the Oilers, they resigned Jason Dickerton, they resigned Connor Murphy. Okay, I actually want to save all that for the after July first because I kind of consider this and the fact that it's like not jumping off. So yes, that, that is, I knew that was coming from you. Shout out how well I know you. Yeah, not, you know, the most jump off the, I mean, Florida, get Florida beat the Oilers two years ago. They get Brady Kachak, but Dickerton and Connor Murphy. Great. Right. We love the third line center good players. Let's see what else happens over July first with nurse. So we're going to save that right. Like if they do a swap of girls and all of a sudden they're bringing in Larkin, well, then I'll start giving you the double rister. Oh, yeah. And I'll get the Oilers, the oil had to go from US to Canada. And finally, before Keaton Bearhoff, Jonathan Taves officially retires. What a story for him to come back. That kind of, he had done it all. He had done all that almost, it could describe him even better. Like he loved the game. He climbed to the top of the mountain as the captain of an original 16 three times. All of a sudden it ends quickly. He's not ready. And then he comes back, gets that final year. It seems like he just like needed that right for solo most with what he went through after the game. So bears and Keith, you guys played against him. I saw a clip actually of him scoring today, game 5 OT against you guys. Do you remember the game or the round? That's cute. That's cute. We beat him in six one. Oh, you want that round? Yeah. Thanks for the cameras. Took the most of vodka. You were up three one in that game in the series and they won. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So maybe not the best example of all the accomplished there in a losing season. It was a sick goal though. But what do you guys got? For me, it's just unbelievable career from what he did from the moment he came in. He turned that franchise back to a winning franchise where they needed to be, got them their championships. He'll be a Mount Rushmore Chicago Black Hawk for the rest of his life. I do think it's real cool that he came back, got to play for his hometown team, finished that year after a couple tough years and not playing and no one knows where his head was at and whether he thought he could come back and play or not, so the determination by him to come back, I think it just proves what type of player he was. I don't think anything was ever really handed to him. I think he earned everything. If you look at him and Kane, Kane was the skill guy who it looked like the game came easier to him. And then Taves was one of those guys that worked for every inch on the ice. So the ultimate competitor hated playing against them, what a loved playing with him, true gentleman of the game too, like always there. You saw him, you'd see him in Chicago, like the visitors room was right next to the main locker room, the Black Hawk's locker room and he would always be outside and autographed for kids taking time. So I think he's just one of those guys that's just a great ambassador for the game and we talked about the Hall of Fame earlier with Keith Kochuk and I would imagine he's going to be getting his name called in a couple years. Well said, buddy, yeah, obviously unreal that he got to play in Winnipeg before it all ended. Yeah, like we talked earlier about like a hockey player being attached to your identity. Well, you're probably looking at a guy where that's the case given with like what he accomplished, right? Like he, the pinnacle and the highs of the highs for him is like you won three Stanley cups as a captain and as a leader and as an unbelievable player for an original six franchise. You got to win a gold medal for your country. Like I think he's the one at every level world juniors as well. Just an absolute stud and lived up to every expectation you ever had of him and then obviously you know, like, you know, what's the father is a father clock or father time, father time catches up to you and you're not the same player and I don't know, I don't know what happened to him. I heard rumblings of like long COVID and and COVID affecting his health and him not being able to return to like like physically to the way that he was before it. Maybe I'm off base and it was something else. But either way, he needed time away to go do some soul searching and I am praying that we eventually get him on and hopefully it's an hour and a half, two hours, sit down, just drive into what we'll just tell him it's like 30 minutes and we won't let him 100%. Just like Patrice Berger on like, hey, just come by and say hi. We're here in Boston for a minute or next thing, you know, yeah, he's in a, he's in a suit. We got him tied down to the couch, but like, I would just love to hear about the whole journey and where it got to and how he was able to come back and go through another year because like what he did, man, I don't know is there might be a hundred players in the history of the game that have been able to do and accomplish what he did. It may be it's maybe it's way less, yeah, 50. And what a special career, chasing that, then you'll never, like you just never have like feeling like that again, which is probably a little weird to know what it is. It's hard. I, that every year I was doing I was chasing it, it happened three times, then in gold, then in the Olympics, and then all of a sudden it's over. So yeah, you're saying there's struggles for every pro athlete or people who finish long careers doing anything, but to be that good at it and not many big games, it's times like I buddy, the prime of my life was when I got to win a calder cup, especially on the way that it all ended and like I, you know, and multiply that by a billion is what he was. And we laugh about it, but like you're like the endorphins and the things that you're going through and the feeling that you're having in your brain as far as euphoria, you're never going to touch that again or at least you're hoping that to achieve it because that's what life's about. And I just think that given what he gave the game and where he was for him to get to end on his own terms and get to do that back home, he deserved that. And I look forward to hearing about the whole journey and the whole story and congrats to him on a hell of a rip man. What a, what a journey. What a journey. Yeah. Incredible. I'd love to get him on your right. Well, Caves was a former player at the University of North Dakota. And now it's time for Keith Fairhawk. Still blue coffees, new can lattes are here, crafted with a 100% Colombian coffee. Each can is a good source of protein and comes in two smooth flavors, espresso, cafe mocha and espresso sweet cream. And whether you're braving your morning commute or chasing your pup, still blue cans are for those always on the go and for those who care. Still blue is more than just great coffee. It's about giving back. I named the brand after my rescue dog Stella, who inspired our mission to help more dogs find their forever homes. Every purchase supports animal rescue organizations. So when you drink still blue, you're not just fueling your day. You're saving a dog's life. 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Grab a still blue target, taste the difference and make a difference. Still blue coffee. We're already rolling with this is, this is the start of the interview, we're rolling. Oh, we're rolling. Oh, we're rolling. Maybe you can intro on. Perfect. Sorry, Keaton. What's going on, bro? Not much. What's up with you? So where are you right now? I'm in Forteskatchwin. So I'm in Alberta right now and that's where you're training, that's where you're skating right now. How many guys that you have around you pro or college or junior? Yeah. Well, yeah. I grew up here. There's probably about 15, 20 guys like our gym from like 830 to 11 is pretty much all pro junior guys. So our 830 groups, like a lot of European pros and then the 930 group is a lot of kind of, there's some pros and college guys and then 11 o'clock goes like junior guys so it's pre-packed with some high school guys in there. So you're in the 11 group? Yeah, I would this year I went to 930 so workouts, like workouts my cousins there because Colton Kirby are in that group and I was like Zellie too, like Owl and Zell Wiggers there and yeah, it's a good group. Like your cousins with the docs? Yeah. Yeah. Buddy, do you ever, did you listen to Kirby's interview with us years ago? Like, that's why he has a publicist, three years ago now. He's a clown, so he's the best. Wow. He's awesome. So I was going to ask you though before we get to the docs, so you were born and sasked and then like raised in Alberta and like moved there for the cocky reasons. No, I was, I was born in like Fortes Gatton, so like so many people get a mixed up, but like it's in Alberta. Oh, that's what I'm pleased about my thing. Who? Scotty Upshall. Yeah, right in Fortes. So it's like just North East. I'm into like 20 minutes. Yeah. Like Cologne, Germany. Kind of like that. Cool. Cool for it. No, I thought that I thought that Leon dry side I was releasing a Cologne and it just turns out. He was from Cologne, Germany. These guys made sure to remind me. So you're not from sask. You're from Fort sask, which is in Alberta on the North Saskatchewan's. I should know this. Fuck, I've driven. I've driven. Well, you're so high up in your diesel F950 that you can't even see the signs. What's sitting here in prairie land? What's it like there? Prairies flat. I mean, it's not as bad as sask, but like it's pretty sasky. Still kind of have prairies farm like my grandpa's a farmer. We own a fuels and fertilizing company. I think you look everywhere. Everybody's like a farmer. So there's not much else going around other than fields. Have you noticed an uprising ticks this year? No. Not mine. Not everywhere here, bitch. Okay. That's why I was wondering. We have one of those things called whatever turns into a butterfly caterpillar. Those things. Oh. Yeah. That's a good problem to have. That's way better than ticks. Yeah. Just beautiful. Yeah. Those don't give you a Lyme disease. We bought a thing where you bring a key and you can do this. You can. We bought five caterpillars. They turn into caterpillars. They're inside a big net you have. Then they turn into butterflies, then you go outside and you release them outdoors. You could do something like that, and help your draft stock. We did it helping the environment. So I get catapilla butterfly game comparing them to Texas crazy. Yeah, we know any more caterpillars here You look everywhere. They're there's millions of them. It's insane. No, it's like you drive down some highways There's no trees anymore What was your job there before you started wrangled catapilla? Yeah, catapilla wrangler. No, I I worked on my grandpa's farm all the time growing up You mostly made me chop wood though like he loves cutting down trees for whatever reason So I'd be sitting outside for hours. Just like making balls cut trees in the firewood and Stacked in the firewood up. That was his favorite thing that he was just cutting down trees Just makes more work, but you liked it. Let's see your four you must have big arms and forearms and you probably look like Was a gordie how who had that famous? Oh, please got your forearms on them. It looks like Craig Bigeo Nothing like your biz. I ain't nothing like you though Hey, so what's the backstory of you living in Ray Whitney's old house? Yeah Well, I used to have it you kind of there's I only lived here forever like he needs on this house forever, but never really lived here And then when he finally sold it we were looking for a new place and moved here So like the biggest thing that people recognize is there's the What it oh six Carolina Stanley Cup champions logo out on the basketball court back there. So That's like the biggest rep most recognizable thing here. There's also some random stains on the coach that you left here We're not sure about but He's there. Well Dummies him on that basketball court for sure. Oh, yeah, and the coach And that couch he was talking about I want to one question about the firewood would you also sell the firewood would you guys like set it up on the side of road And I hate five bucks for like a bushel firewood or whatever not too much Like sometimes, but lots of times we just stack it up in his farm and like our family would come and grab it whenever they need firewood Building caterpillars homes that would last mirrors look every farm boy that we talked to it seems like they want to play hockey Because the farm life is harder than playing in the NHL and was that kind of the case with you seeing how hard your grandfather's working and other family members? I mean probably not as much. I think A lot other people are on the farm life are a little more Farm boy than I am, but I think for me it was just seeing my family members and I'm seeing them get into hockey and then me kind of obviously just wanted to follow. I mean like kind of talk about my cousins Seeing them go through what their jury and stuff like that really Obviously made me want to get going and my whole family played played hockey and it was kind of just in my blood to start I think how much older is Colton than you are? He's five years. Yeah, he's Oh three, I think so those guys were just they were just giving you beat down. You were eight year-old Keaton chasing them around at 1315. Yeah, big time they Yeah, they don't mean me a bit. I think they kind of had a bit of they gave me a bit of that bigger brother Bullying on that from them. Maybe tougher though. So I'm thankful for it But being Colton really got into it. We got into it a lot like Kirby was a little more reserved and Kind of had some smarts to him and when it beat up an eight-year-old, but Colton had no like We had a soul this he would like I would do something dumb He would do something dumb or and it would just go from there and we would get super competitive and just I don't even know whatever it was. We would be we'd be arguing Was it them who said that you were a dog shit at ping pong or was it the the reverse of that like I read Something about ping pong how maybe they used to just dummy you and then tell you with the balls and all of it Yeah, I was probably them. They like to throw it around a bunch, but No, they're probably I'm not like I'm pretty good. I'd say like it's worth we're close match But like we always we play this game Most like Christmas and whenever we get together we'll go down like like you know sting pong. Obviously right? No So like you play ping pong and every point of lose you lift up your shirt and you turn around the whip it It's like they hit as hard as you can at your back and see like what kind of well you can leave So we'll go three ways sting pong where you're something around the table Like hitting the ball over back and forth Um, and that's like that's the best conditioning. I've ever done I think in my life is when sting pongs on the line. That's like Volcanadian prairies it hurt. I know We're over there playing sting sting pong. I was roommates with Steve Dixon and Dan car solo and they bought paintball guns and they would paint ball gun me from about 50 feet away when we were playing in the American league But this is like a common you're you're working to that you're starting with the pink smart You're smart. We're getting a bowl with the tolerance of a you're in the minors. How have the interview has been so far? Have you had any of crazy like old guys in there like Like asking you bullshit questions No, not not too bad There's never like anything that's really um too crazy. I mean They're all pretty like pretty tame. I'd say and I mean there's a couple random ones here and there But for the most part they've been pretty good. Um, they're obviously all kind of just trying to do their job So um, it's fun to to talk with them and see what kind of questions they ask the other guys too But it's been pretty good to the most part. What do you mean just from like talking to them or like in some cases you're in the room with them Yeah, like just sometimes like whenever like weren't scrums or something like that when the like reporters are in the room or whatever it is Seeing some of the questions they ask. I mean, it's it's kind it's the best when they you're standing by one of your buddies and They ask me a question about you or something like that or they ask or you're doing an interview and they ask question about them so Just kind of some of that stuff, but most part they've been good. I was talking more about like your personal meetings with teams Or is that something that's going to be left for like maybe when you're in Buffalo or have you done quite a bit with individual themes Yeah, no, well, we did all that stuff to combine. Um, they were good. Uh, every single team like every every Every team's kind of similar but different um, they have that kind of their own spin on it But um for the most part it's they're all good like every single team's kind of Ask you those standard questions and they have their kind of curve balls up throw you every now and then but Um, it's it was fine. It was cool talk to me and he talked with scouts all year and then now you get to see the GM So it's pretty fun. You ever get one where you're like yeah, I real original like you heard it from every other team or like any any moments because we had drawn on And he thought the worst Interview he did with the team was actually New England because by the time he got uh got with them He'd done so many of these interviews where he's like I just didn't give a flying. I didn't give a flying F like I was like I was like he wasn't he sleeping on the table. I think he said he fell asleep at one point And don't do like I asked him about a route and he's just like I don't know man. Just throw me the ball So did you have any any maybe moments where you were like ah that was probably wasn't my best interview or like you were just fed up Yeah, I mean, I think there's somewhere you get in there and you can kind of start like You start like stuttering a bit. You've been there at it for like six hours. You're kind of Your words are almost not even like they're not coming out the right way and then you just start going like and when you get You know what you go you go bad one way you keeps getting worse like Get your words just get worse and worse or believe me. I know. That's a panic Yeah, that's like any of us on a rant on this show and all of a sudden. Yeah, where's this going? Yeah, and there's 300,000 people in canola listening. I'll get into the He knew I'm working at a butterfly convention on your farm. Yeah, exactly. I'll take them first overall and sting pong I don't know about the NHL Exactly. So who was your worst interview if you had to say a team? I don't know where you would want to redo It's just something with team. I don't I don't think I'd want to redo with any of them. I think okay Also, uh, well some are pretty good I kind of figured it out a bit as you go on, but uh, yeah, I know readers. They were They're all good and even when you do mess up, they just kind of sit there and look at you a bit and you're like, ah, here we go What team impressed you the most? Great question. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah I don't know. I don't know Dan was a like I thought Toronto was unbelievable Yeah, I don't know if I can answer that one with the draft coming up here. Okay So it's just coming in giving us the X it was too good of a question. All right Everyone has to get an X as far as asking a question. Yeah, it's got the first one. Congrats. Okay. Okay. Well this one won't get an X because How do you know the first time that I heard about you was a man. Are you familiar with Bob Stoffer? You know Bob? Yeah, yeah, I've seen him every now and then okay, so Bob came on here and um you were on his radar early And all of a sudden we're hearing a lot about you dominating the WHO and you decide to go to college, right? McKenna did it and it was new and How did that come about? How hard is it to go to college and was it harder than you expected it to be? Yeah, um, I mean 100% Um, like the hockey is hard, but it's fun too like I mean you get to college and um You're hanging out with your you're like best buds all the time and you go to school you go to class them you go to the rank with them So the hockey was hard. It was fun. It was competitive. The like I think for me kind of go back to my year in Victoria I finished up my year and um I'm kind of obviously the Opportunity to go over to NCAA switched um at Christmas that year So I think a lot of guys in the back of their head But uh as kind of the year went on I want to finish up my playoffs and end up going on a visit to North Dakota and Michigan and Both unbelievable places good coaching staffs and um, but kind of North Dakota felt like a place for me It kind of reminded me of home a lot and also kind of having the coaching staff there and the people there to support you was was pretty amazing. I mean, you can't say enough about the ring there as well. So that was I was an added bonus. But no, that kind of was the big decision into for me was one to play against those bigger and stronger guys. I obviously really wanted to mature my game out and round it out a bit to become a more well-rounded defenseman that isn't just gonna whatever you guy that puts up a million numbers. But someone helps the team kind of win those one nothing those two on games. So that was kind of the biggest sorry factor for me. And we talked about it when you know, McKenna's kind of stock was dropping a little bit and we commended you guys are going the harder route, right? You could have stayed in junior and you know played the easier game. But then you go to college, you're playing against men. So we we commended you guys. But I'm looking to get my second X here. What was the NIL deal that you got from? Yeah, how much you can hold. Very question. That's a great question. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, all the support from the fans, the the play. Oh my god. This guy's dial people there. No, we go to North, you go to North Dakota to play for for the North Dakota hockey team. The numbers are really irrelevant. It's obviously an added bonus we all have now with NIL and the opportunities to get with that. They're they're pretty it makes it indefinitely an added bonus of going to college. But it was it's enough for our culture staff says it lots in the media. His usual answer is it's enough for the players to to not live like a broke college student and be able to enjoy joy their time and focus on hockey and not be stressed about other things. What was it like playing in Victoria? What kind of glanced over it? He went right to the to the US hockey. You know, it's kind of naturally what he does. That's okay. Hockey me. I loved it. It was unbelievable. We had obviously we kind of were we were a good team that year. We we lost and to Spokane the second round and obviously Spokane ended up going to the the finals there and I lost them at half, but it was a it was a it was a great year. The guys there are unbelievable coach staff is unbelievable. I think Victoria is one of those underrated up and coming like hockey spots in the western league. The teams really starting to kind of put it together and figured out a bit and all the way from our management to our coaching staff like we were treated so well there. We obviously it's a bit more of a travel for getting on the fairions. Bit of a grind, but that's fairy rights money though. Oh yeah, I love it. Lots of people like lots of people don't like it coming into town like when they especially like the guys like that playing Cologne or Vancouver or stuff like that. They don't like it, but like I love the fairy because you could go like it breaks up your trip a bit and you're not laying on a packed bus. Back then they're like Saturday ins especially being a rookie like you're sitting there like jammed against your buddy, but on the fairy we had that's we had a nice spot to go nap or wherever you wanted to do kind of play some cards. So I love the fairy. Victoria is on a believable spot. Would you crush the white spot on every fairy right? Yeah, yeah, we would we we would get in there and I think our goat depending on the day like if we were traveling on like game day, most guys would go with the pasta, but the chicken fingers were always we're always a fan favorite. This is your spot. This is where I live, but I live I live in Victoria in the summertime. It's your Houston. It's one of the best. Oh, you're saying is that like my Canadian version of Houston? Yes. I know. It's just kind of like on the fairy. It's just nice and convenient that they have like they'll make you a fresh burger, fresh sandwich and like fresh fries or coming out right as you get on. Like it's it's pretty money. It's a it's a it's a it's a great place to live too. Like what a beautiful community. Unbelievable. Yeah. Like so so nice. My billets are unbelievable as well. Like my billetad, he's like college golf. So we had a golf simulator like a hot tub at my billet house and it was unbelievable. I mean, everywhere in Victoria is so nice too. Like the weather especially coming from Alberta, like the weather in Victoria, you kind of you get there and you I think it's no one day that year and other than that, like you're like golfing, you're not freezing. It's awesome. Yeah. It's a hidden gem. Did you end up playing VG? See it all? No. I I didn't. My my billetad and his dad were members there, I believe, but I never got out there. I was I was in school when I was like I was still in high school when I was there. So I never all the guys were getting out on the course and us high school students were kind of slavery in high school and grinding out there. We're in about as grades. Yeah. How are you as a student? I was good. How are you? How are you? Are you still a student? Oh, yeah, yeah. I had to worry about it for college. So no, I was pretty I think this year I was a three point six or something like that, I believe. So what was your funniest class at North Dakota? Because I heard that there's some hilarious ones. Yeah, I was just worried. I was worried for that question for that way that question to come. Well, I was this is a funny story actually. I was in eSports. So you heard it tell you right? Bush. We went to we went to video game class first. There's five of us in the class. We show up and there's the class is like 11 people and we show up the first day and the guys going over the syllabus and going through some stuff and we get in there and and we're all like hockey players that don't have the best gaming like like we're talking guy out the teacher went around and asked what's your favorite video game we all said like I don't know for night like NHL we say these answers and these kids and these classes are saying like some games that we've never heard of and we have zero clue what's going on and then the guys starts ranting on about what kind of what's going to go on in the class and we went home that day and went to a kind of our academic advisor and said we can't do this class is going to be too hard. So we dropped the eSports class because it's going to be too hard. We end up getting out of eSports and going into a sports event planning. Planning tailgates and stuff like what was that? We planned a final project. We planned a super bowl. So we were pretty good. I mean we picked Nashville as our super bowl spot before the NFL announced they're going Nashville. So must have been pretty good. What do you mean you planned it? Like how do you like fake plan? It is. You ever want to pick the venue, pick the half-time performer. Who was your half-time performer? Bad booney. We did. Yeah, we did Zach Bryan. It's in Nashville. Yeah, you got to. Yeah, so no, we did Zach Bryan and what else to be planned? Like you kind of you had to plan some how you're going to like get advertisement stuff like that. People are going to watch and it was a it was a big thing. Like this project took like five months of work. So yeah, it was impressive. I'm surprised you didn't pick Morgan Wallen. Yeah, that was our other option. We had a more we had one one person our group didn't like Morgan Wallen. So I think he's an I like that. I think that's Sturgel Simpson. Like I wouldn't let Morgan while Wallen hold Sturgel Simpson's jock strap. Well, you've ever heard of Sturgel Simpson. I'll take if you get a Sturgel Simpson. Oh, Oh, fuck. Here we go. Why are you yelling at him just because he hasn't heard of it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he called it a hot take and he hasn't heard him yet. Oh, yeah, that's probably why it's a hot take. You might have just you might be dipping into the second round after that comment. Oh, okay, right around what you would drafted then. I was a fourth. I was a fourth. Yeah. You're giving him so much. You still got a beat. Okay. So you're you're a little bit of a churper. Hey there, Mr. Whitney Jr. with that bum chin. All right. Let's go, baby. Fuck and go. That's an insult to him and a hell of a compliment to me if he's getting the wit dog like comparison. All right. How was like the Northeastern, I mean, not Jesus for North Dakota experience in terms of like, you go there. You have one teammate from Victoriaville that went with you. Is that true? Is it Cole, Rechny? Yeah. All right. So you guys are just taking this all in together and then all of a sudden you got the weekend parties in the fall, games get going quick. You must have been pretty thrilled once you got there in terms of the social life away from hockey. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty fun. Like, obviously hang out with your teammates every single day and go and hang off them on the weekends as well. We all go there and start to July. So we're there like, oh, the lie tell when the school year ends. So we kind of we spend lots of time together, but no, it was super fun. Like, just kind of being there with them and you skate, workout all week and kind of do all that all that stuff on the weekdays and get the working and then get to have some fun with your teammates on the weekend. So it was super fun. It's a cool spot for that. Kind of obviously in the summer, it's pretty nice. So we get out and golf every now and then and it was just it was a good time there. And then when the games kind of start, you really get to focus in and obviously get to a little more, a little more serious, a little more tight. But it was fun to especially go with Cole. Like he is an unbelievable guy and like, I'm blue player as well. I mean, he's a guy that makes his teammates better, but go to go with him and have him. I mean, I lived with him as well. So like, be around him all year and getting all him was pretty amazing. What's your plan for next year? Obviously, you're or young 18, you just turned to what three days ago, happy belated birthday. But is your plan for next year to go back to college or kind of whoever drafts you, let them tell you what they want you to do? - Highest better. - Yeah, well, the best thing. - I think kind of, we'll see. I mean, whatever team drafts me, talk with both the team and with my size well, and see what they think's best, see what I think's best, and see what happens. I think, I mean, I have two unbelievable choices. Like, you go pro, it's a good opportunity that I'll be happy to kind of jump on, and see where that can take me, but go back to North Dakota as well, and hold a good team there and another chance to go back to try and win a national championship. Obviously, whenever you're playing, your goal is to win whenever championship you're at, but especially in North Dakota, and with the group of guys we have, that's kind of our main goal. And something we really are looking forward to doing next year. If both your goalies went down, would you be able to hop in a game as a goalie now? - I strapped them on earlier this year, right a weekend off, and I threw on on a Sunday. I don't quite have the flexibility or the movement anymore, but I was still making some saves. I think they're probably taking a little easy army, but I could get in there and battle for sure. - What age did you stop? - I was 11 when I switched. - So you were full-time goalie all the time, and like, what was the day or do you remember the day you were like, "I've had enough of this shit." - Yeah, I kind of do, but the main thing that kind of, I got cut from the brick as a goalie. I was one of the last cuts from brick in Alberta, and like you ever heard of in line, like roller hockey? - Yeah, I played, I went to NARCH. - We went out to, there's like this in line state wars and in line kind of junior Olympics or something like that. So I ended up going on trial for this team count of team in line as a player, and from that I played player as an in line and loved it there, and then started to switch from there. - Wow, what an interesting story. So had you ever played out in regular hockey, like maybe when you were like five or six? - Yeah, when I was like, when I was learning out of play, like when I was four or five and like three, four, five, and six, like kind of, actually I switched when I was six. I started playing full-time goalie when I was six. So like my dad, my uncle, my grandpa, everybody on my dad's side was a goalie. So that kind of got me into it. But then, yeah, I was like, I grew up playing on the outdoor ring. That was a big thing for me, like, that I think that's what made my transition a little easier for me was just going to the, I grew up on the outdoor ring. I would go there after school like 3.45, stay out there until nine o'clock at night, just hoping my mom could bring me some sort of food to keep me out there with me and my buddies. So yeah, that's kind of what that guys made me make the switch a little easier on myself. Well, we'll get to your mother because apparently she was a major role in your upbringing, but going back to being a goalie, do you feel like as a player now playing out, it's helped your perspective, like maybe especially understanding what goalies are going through and like any other thing about the game technically that you think it helped advance you from missing out on those years? Yeah, I think a bit. I mean, you get a different perspective like on some things. I think obviously I was pretty young like the hockey I was playing. Some kids were still learning to skate and like they're obviously, so it's a bit of a different game that is now, but I had a muffin like hands. Yeah, so I think it gave me some perspective, like sometimes whether where to shoot a goalie or something like that, but I think the biggest thing I took from it was just pet use that as a goalie. Like if I'm a defense, been going to box out someone and I'm plastering back and forth in front of my goalie, like I knew that was something that I didn't like, so obviously trying not to do that and just little things like that where kind of my biggest takeaways I think from playing goalie. But I mean, I was young, it was young hockey, and so not only like the playstyle kind of things like that, you really carry over, I don't think. Right when you switch back, were you kind of like brutal that first year, or were you pretty good right away? Yeah, well, I switched. So that summer when I was switching, I was playing goalie on the weekends for my spring team, and then like train as a player on the weekdays. So I was okay that first net next year. Like I made the Ford Seattle Triple A team there my first year. And so I was solid. I don't think I was a star on the team, but I was there. I was having fun with the boys and got to learn some things. So it was fun. I was just going to ask one quick one. Does it make your shot blocking as the defense been better from being a former goalie? No, I was a goalie. Very good point. Yeah, I think so got you back to first round. You're welcome. Easy layup question. Well, it adds a bit. There's actually there's a couple of clips of like me growing up. Well, I think I forgot that I was playing defenseman and went back in goal like I had one. Actually, we were on six on five. It was my first year at baton. And we're in a six on five. And this guy was coming down like one on one on me with the net. And for whatever reason, I didn't pinch and try to like turn the puck over. I just kind of played it like a goalie. And he came down so I had to go five along me. And I like hit a butterfly and pixel would have made it 10 me. Would have made the clip 10 times better if we went down and scored. I think we ended up losing, but I did make the kick save. And the announcer started screaming like air off with the kick save, air off with the kick save. So there's some funny clips like that growing up. But other than that, I think the blocking shots is kind of just getting in front of him for a two part question. When you were skating in the outdoor ranks, were you using regular skates or goalie skates? Yeah, I was using regular skates. I had goalie skates for for the ice. And when I would use regular skates off days, I definitely like, I think my skates were probably from like way before I was born. And my sticks and gloves were both probably for my uncle. That were way too big. But it was fun. I had fun out there with my buddy still. And then one of the clips I saw you looked like you were probably like 12 or 13. But you looked like you were a foot and a half bigger than everybody else. Were you always much bigger than everyone? And that must have helped you making that transition just being bigger than everyone if you were? Yeah, I was. I think I was always kind of a kid that was bigger. Because especially like door to school and stuff like that. I mean, guys around the rink are usually you have those bigger guys around the rink. And they kind of they have the size and they start out in hockey. But then yeah, I was one of the bigger kids for sure. I always I always kind of everything. I always was bigger with like everything like my feet row. He's like massive. My hands were big and kind of that's why I guess I had that always. So I'm going to give a lot of credit to my mom and my dad. So I'd have to think that there's a chance you'd be just as talented. If you'd stuck with goalie, the brick just kind of ended your dream. But you would have been got brick top. Golly prospect. That she's going on this week, isn't it the brick? I don't know. I don't know. He's always right around this time. It's soon. It's coming. Oh, Gerby texted me. Actually, he's going with his two boys. We get to send him a video. Biz Nathan Gerby with the Detroit Junior Red Wings. Oh, yeah. He's. Send the boys a video before the break. Yeah. I think he's got his kids get up at like six a.m. doing like sprinting hills and stuff like that. I was going to ask you. I got Yannes's hat as well, Chicklats University now, before you picked University of North Dakota, did you see the Chicklats you video on it? Yeah. Yeah, I did. Did that make you? Had you already seen the campus or was that the first time that you saw it on the video? No. First, yeah. First of all, I saw it was on the video. So I. I go to G and Chicklats you fish and fish. She, of course, all the crew. I remember going to my mom when I was younger. She kind of told this story where I committed. I was like, I don't know when that video came out, probably like it was right after their national champ. I think 2020 or something like that or 2022 maybe something like that. Sometime around then I watched the video right when it came out and showed my mom to it and told her I was going to play it this place. And obviously she was like, yeah, sure, you are like, you're going to like Western, all our families. But if you're going to be that good, you're going to play in the Western league. All our families done that and that's where you want to go like that's where you told me you want to play. And you can't really go to college if you play in the Western league. So that's kind of one thing that she that funny story that she brought up when I end up committing work. That's awesome. Shout out to G and fish again. That's that's cool. But like now with the rules and how they opened up, like that must have been pretty like thrilling to you where like now you see other guys doing it. So it's not like you're the bad guy for leaving junior because I think that this is a perfect way to open things up because they can go play CHL when they're like guys like you, you're 16, you're a big kid, you're ready to go take that next step. Well, you shouldn't be pigeonholed after two years. You should be able to make that next jump kind of like you did. So it must have been like a great time to kind of be in the class that got to do it, I guess. Yeah, it was awesome. I mean, it was cool. I think it was obviously a tough decision to leave Victoria. Like, I mean, like you said, it's like the town itself's unbelievable. The organization was unbelievable and our fans were unbelievable as well. We kind of like we started building that that fan base in Victoria and so yeah, I was definitely tough to leave them, but to have the opportunity to go was was cool. Like it was special. I mean, it's kind of be some of the first kids to do it. It was it was definitely kind of a unique experience, but I loved it. Don't regret anything like going to work Dakota was an unbelievable spot and unbelievable spot and unbelievable choice for me. and Jans are wit like we never really talked about this dynamic like, think of how many times in like a young player's career, like even the NHL, like, let's say, William, for example, like he gets dealt at a young age, like you making that switch, even though it wasn't a trade, you, you have to experience that change in that growth again, right? Like you go to junior, you have to get used to your billet parents and like, that's a whole process and experience, like another level of, of better hockey. And then like you have to do it again. So it's like you're challenging yourself and your growth, not only as a player, but I guess with life experiences. So I'm, I'm, I think it's awesome for hockey. Yeah. It's, um, it's definitely good. I think it's just going to build like, it gives guys options. Like, I mean, I've said it lots, um, you're not, not every kid's going to necessarily go into college at 17, 18, but, um, like to have the option to do it and to kind of see what's best for you is, um, it's going to be like, it's good for players. Um, I think, I mean, it's, it's a big thing you got to figure out what, what's right for you and, and what you need to develop on and what you need to become better at. But it definitely gives kids options and, um, a step to take as well. Yeah. It's crazy now though. Like, uh, we, we could save this topic for even another time because it is interesting, but there are so many different dynamics. Was it not true though, Victoria, they must have been kind of rattled when you were leaving like, was that hard for you? Did you not feel any of that, or at least there was news, news of them being pretty upset. Yeah. Um, I mean, it's, they obviously were, um, wanting me to stay and I'm play with them. And it definitely took a toll on me too. I mean, being, I was there for a year and a half. I played, when I was 15, I played, um, like 20 games or something like that. Um, so I got used to the place, um, I loved everyone there. And so it was definitely tough to leave, um, but I mean, I talk with my GM and talk with my coach from there every now and then still and, um, they're kind of, I think it, it just kind of came in a shock for them, I think, um, it was the first kind of start to towards kids changing and, um, I like I said, like it was such a hard decision. Um, they, that was an unbelievable place. Those, those guys, I owe a lot to them and give my start to junior and, um, especially my coach there as well, James Patrick, like, he, he really kind of helped me take that step in my, in my career, I guess. So I can't say enough good things, but Victoria. So it was definitely tough for both me and them, but like I said, I, I don't regret it. And, um, so now kind of have the relationship with my GM and my coach, uh, I, uh, I think they kind of understood the decision and, uh, I mean, my coach went to North Dakota too. Um, so he kind of understood what I was getting into and on the opportunity I was up, that I would have there. So, um, I think they understood it, but it was obviously tough at the end of the day. It's about you. You can't take it as a slight. It's about the growth of the players. I get maybe like, it's comes in a shock because it's kind of like the, you guys are essentially the first class to really do it. They're the pioneers of this whole thing, the way that the, the growth is going to go. Yeah. And, um, the other question I was going to ask you for kids who are in your situation where they're looking to maybe do a couple of years of junior to the, uh, to college. You already kind of touched on how it was harder and stuff like that. Like, what were the biggest adjustments and like, what, what was like different about the game play? Like, how hard of a jump was that for kids to kind of be prepared for it? I think it's just like, like any jump in level and league or whatever it is. Like the details get tighter. Um, you got to be a little more dialed in, I guess, to say, but I think the biggest thing for me, like my first game, I went and the first thing I noticed right away was I would go back and whether you try to, they, big to the net and go up the wall and try to make a pass. Like, there'd be just be sticks and lanes. Like, that was the biggest thing I noticed. Um, you go from kind of being able to maybe just make that simple play and, um, not, you got to, they're just a little bit more detailed. Those guys like, they're obviously older, um, a little faster and, um, so yeah, that was the biggest thing. Like skysticks getting sticks on pox sticks and lanes. Um, that was the first thing I noticed. What about the crowds? Like, I know me and Biz play junior and I feel like the junior crowds are more like the professional level where they're just there to watch the games and enjoy some good hockey but college's intent, right, with like, you're playing your rivals, uh, fans are crazy. It's all young kids drinking before games, whatever. So was it harder to play in college games than it was in junior? Yeah. Uh, definitely. There's some harder. I mean, there's some hard drinks in the Western league too. Like, you go to Everett now, like, they have their cowbells going and it seats probably. I think like around 10,000 or something like that and they have their whole, all their fans of cowbells ringing in your ears and there's some tough drinks to play. But I told, like, I understand what you mean, like, there W H L is definitely a lot more like fans are, are there to watch the hockey and I mean, like you said, too, like the, B.O. Sorry. Any B.O. Like body order in a crowd. That's your league. Biz. Oh, HL, the Oshawa generals had to release like a statement to tell the fans to like shower and scrub their nuts before coming to the ring because it, like, feel like we imagine that story. It was. No. That was a hundred percent. I think they came up with a follow up. Please shower. The league is a, is a, is a nice smelling building culture. I like that. Oh, it's clean. Yeah. It's nice. It's all good. Yeah. Oh, keep going. Yeah. Sorry. But yeah, definitely like with college kids, they're all hanging out with telegame for the games. Like, like the, for us, like, we have fans line up outside our rink. I mean, you saw it have been that chick, what's you video like? We have fans line up outside our rink for like a seven o'clock start there there to depending on the weekend, like they're there at 10 a.m., like in the morning, like they're there sitting there. They have their tents set up, like no matter rain, shine, snow, like they're sitting there having a good time. So it's, it's pretty fun. I think we, we show up around whatever for 430 and you walk past like the whatever tent lines are going to the rink and it's packed in there. They're listening to music. They're having a good time. They're cheering you on as you walk by. So it's a pretty cool atmosphere. You can pink Whitney nips. You ever had any pink Whitney there at Nordak? We didn't have much of that this year. No. Back to the second round. That's why they made it to the final four. Oh, okay. Here's a fun one. T.J. Oh, she just as good as that jersey was tired up there. I would assume. I mean, we had, we had Zach for easy come this year. We do like to think this thing every year called like the last lap. So he came here. He came and he had his kids with him and right before the game starts, he kind of did a lap with us in his North Dakota jersey and stood on the blue line to the anthem and all that stuff did a little thing for him. So it was pretty cool to see him come in this year. And I mean, obviously it's the guy that you grew up watching too. So you came in and got his jersey retired. Did he put any money on the board? None that night actually. I don't think. Oh, wow. Yeah. He only made 150. Holy shit. He better buy you guys a hot tub for the, or I guess if you guys already got those, you guys got the old thing not allowed in the NCAA anymore is that hyper what? Money on the board, no money on the board, money on the board, hot tubs are for sure in the locker room. Okay. So this is probably one that like some of the old scouts asked you when they like didn't actually think of any good questions. If you could pick an NHL player that is like realistic to your body type and like how you want to play and set your foundation, what would you say that you, like, who would you want to be? Who would you compare yourself with and who would you like want to accelerate to play their game? I think for me, Thomas Harley guy, what did you say? Vassy. Yeah, but he answered, was it Thomas Harley? Yeah. Yeah. Thomas Harley. That's a guy kind of that I watch a lot after four nations last year and you can snap the biscuit like him? Yeah. You can rip it around and he's got good boots too. I think that's something that working on here, but no, it's, I think that's a guy just is too way game is ability to defend and also create offense too. I think I have your coaches trust and teammates trust the big thing. So definitely I'd say him and he just signed the big ticket. Is he is he physical? I think he finds his spots. It's like a thing for me to like, I wouldn't, I off, like, I don't go out and lay an open ice, crunch someone, lots I'd say. I think kind of finding my spots and whether it's like angling guys out and use my bike tech box, but I think he competes like that's the biggest thing I think for me too is like, he just competes on box, like competing corners, loves to battle. So if somebody's going out your teammate though, are you shedding the mitts, like, are you not fucking around like that? Western league. Yeah, I think when it comes to what I would, I don't like have any against I think if that's what needs to happen, I'd do it, but I think a lot of my style, a lot of kind of control the aggression and be able to kind of control myself a bit, but definitely if that's what it comes to, willing to do it for my teammates for sure. How many tilts in the last year or in the Western league? I guess it's hard. It's embarrassing. Zero for me. Yeah. Zero for me. I asked a couple guys, but I never, I never, I never, I got sucker to a couple of times and then kind of tried to start throwing them, but we always kind of, all right, some of our guys on our team would always joke around that there's some like, don't, don't fight. We don't want you fighting right now. I mean, then there's all sorts of awesome games. We don't want to fight, but I think, yeah, I never got on one sadly. So no, no, no, hey, buddy, you're being honest about your assessment. Like I liked that. You say you mentioned controlled aggression. Like it's not everybody's game, buddy. I didn't, that's literally all I did. And I never even won. But I didn't literally didn't do anything. But if he starts fighting biz, then guys like you aren't going to have jobs. So we don't need to fight it. Thank you. Yeah. Well, thank you. Thank you. He didn't appreciate that very thoughtful of you. Yeah. Anything else, boys, again, the other draft questions or fun stuff? You're going to be out there, right? In Buffalo. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be out there. There's a big crew of us. We got 42 of us going out there. So it'll be fun. Wow. Oh, geez. We'll be a big crew. A bunch of my buddies are coming out. I was like, four of my buddies coming out and then a bunch of my family. So it should be fun. I got one. If you had the first overall peck, you couldn't take yourself. Who are you taking this year? That's, yeah, that's tough. Oh, he get another axe yet. He hit another axe. I go, I think I'd go with my teammate, Carl's teammate, Carl's next year. He's a loyal good teammate. He's telling me there's only you options here, though. Like, you look at, look at the draft. Like it's a, look at those guys. I mean, I'm obviously Gavin and Stenberg and all those guys up there. Readers, well, like, it was cool to get in and meet him. Actually, like, that was a fun thing going to Vegas with them. And I'm kind of seeing them. And seeing what kind of people they are was fun. I mean, going to the game was a cool experience, too. But just being there with them and walking around Vegas a bit, it was a, it was a fun kind of opportunity to go with them. Did you get to play against Gavin? Yeah, I did. I think he tore it just for three because we only play him once. And you got to play with them world juniors as well, right? Yeah, play with my world juniors, too. So I knew, I knew him a bit, but we didn't know like Albert Smith was in Vegas, too. Chase Reed as well. So I obviously played a lot with, uh, played against Gavin, played with them at world juniors and played with Carson a lot, too. So I'll do them a bunch. But, uh, yeah, playing against Gavin was, uh, was, was pretty tough. I mean, that, that year, what he was, that was his seventh, like, last year when he's 17. So he was, uh, kind of, he was a different beast there and, uh, it was, uh, definitely a tough opponent. I'm not trying to stir the pot either. It kind of, I just, it just came out of mine. Didn't they health bomb you at world juniors? Yeah, they did. Somebody was saying, somebody was trying to like create a room that it was because you left the CHL and my, uh, I guess I should show though. No, no, no, no, no, I ain't digging that much. Come on. I'm no, no, no, no, no, they didn't, they scratched me. Um, I mean, I was a young guy on the team and, uh, going into, I, like, there was death. That probably, that was not the reason, um, that, cause I left the CHL, um, or the rumor boys. Yeah, the, the chuck and rumors. We don't do that type of stuff around here. I think, um, it was whatever they, uh, what they thought best. And, um, obviously, I was happy to be there as, I was a young guy and, um, look forward to hopefully getting the chance to play a world juniors again this year. And, um, see what we can do. Obviously, maybe figure a step in my role and, uh, obviously kind of look for that gold medal and, um, take a chance there. All right, rollback last question. Use code chicklets on rollback.com for generous 20% off your first purchase to the end of the week. D H I C L E T S on R H O B A C K dot com 20% off polo's hoodies joggers more code chicklets. World juniors are in Edmonton actually this year, right? Yeah, they are. Okay, were they ever there when you were younger and you went, maybe at a memory of going to world juniors? Yeah, um, they were there for that, like, I think we had them like two years. And a role when Colbert, when Colbert was going on, we had that summer, summer world juniors, um, in Edmonton, then we had them again. So, um, I remember watching a lot of those games. I think I went and watched Canada play for good. I think I went and watched Canada play a Latvia one year. Um, so I was pretty cool. I was the year. Bedard was on the team too. And, um, he was doing what he, what he was doing. So, um, maybe that was pretty cool experience, um, going there with some of my buddies. So it should be fun. I mean, obviously hope to get the chance to go and hope to make the team again. But, um, it'll be a cool opportunity and cool experience to be in Edmonton in front of the fans. And my family as well, um, to kind of have that and see what's going on here. I got a last one with, oh, double, double, you get one question for every ex you got. Okay. So I got to know, we talked about your mom a little bit earlier. And, you know, it's known that she raised you by herself for a little bit. And, um, you know, just, you know, we're all mom is boys here. And we all love our moms more than anything. And yeah, I just kind of want to you to give her her flowers here. And I saw a clip of you guys playing catch in the backyard and no shade for them. But she had a better arm than you did. Was she a good athlete and stuff. But give her her flowers and how much she means to you. Yeah, um, she's incredible. I mean, she's taught me everything I know as a person. Um, I mean, on the ice too, the thing she's kind of, the character is, her characteristics. She's giving me off the ice. It definitely helped me on the ice. But, um, I mean, she's been incredible for me and my sister, uh, I mean, growing up, she, she'd take me to the ring, her to, to dance and, um, she, she's obviously been our backbone for a lot of times. And, um, she's definitely like, they used to say a lot with me who's going to, who's going to walk me, who's going to walk key and then play it like, do different stuff with me. Play outside, whether it's basketball or baseball, stuff like that. Um, she was always up for it. And I, I'm so thankful for everything she's done for me. Um, I mean, kind of taking me, whether it's taking me to the rink or playing outside with me and, and doing stuff like that. Um, she's been so important to me and, um, obviously, like, I mean, it's, I think it's, date me with lots of, lots of kids. But obviously for me, I wouldn't be anywhere near I am right now without her. Um, she's giving me everything I've gotten and, um, I'm so lucky and, and grateful for her and every single moment. Kind of, obviously, try to do stuff for her and, um, represent her well. So, um, yeah, super thankful for my mom. Unreal. Was she the one who was most supportive of you making the transition to become a player too? Cause all your, you said it was all your uncles and stuff were all goalies. So they were probably trying to pressure you. Yeah. Um, she's always been so supportive of me. Like, whatever it is, um, she's there for it and she'll figure out how to help me and what she can do to help me. I mean, um, she was, she grew up playing like, uh, softball, basketball, like high school sports like that. And, um, so she didn't, wasn't much into the hockey world. Um, but she would always, if she didn't have the answer to it, she'd try to find it. Um, and she'd try to, um, kind of be in my, she was always my biggest supporter. Um, whether it was me switching from goalie to player, be going to college this year, um, going through ups and downs of the season too. Like, uh, you're gonna, there's going to be ups, there's going to be downs. And, um, I think she's been my, my one consistent throughout my life. It's amazing. Last one about your mom, if you get to come back for one night, if she's cooking you dinner, like what's your go to? You're like, mom, I need that meal. I'd say tacos from her. That was like, I, I don't even know if she's like the best at making tacos. But it's just like, you come home and like, that was the one thing she'd always make for us growing up was, um, was just tacos. Like, just have some, um, ground beef around some salsa, some, um, lettuce, stuff like that and just have it right, right, ready to go. And, um, that's, I honestly just say like a comfort food, you say, but, um, well, I don't know if she's the best to make them. But that's the one thing I make, for sure. Biz, you know, she makes them with caterpillars that caterpillar on the whole. Yeah. How do you think I got? Yeah, I got to six four caterpillars. We're going to have some, some hockey parents out there, army feeding their kid, caterpillars, tacos. Actually, protein. Hey, this was awesome, buddy. This is a great personality and, and heck of a player. And I wish you all the best. And when you're, when you're snapping around like Harley out there, make sure you come back on the pod and, uh, and rejoin us. Well, too. Like, uh, get me on a sandbag or we've been, we love, my buddies love watching them. Who you, who your guys? Hey, um, we've been, I'm not even kidding. We've watched like 10 the past like five nights. It's been insane. Who were, who were your favorite ones? We, I love the J's one. That one is awesome. Yeah. Well, well, when you, when you, when you were just, you and Clement, we're buddies and go to enemies with thought with it. I was all time, buddy. I want, I would have liked. I made him. Gans was snapping. He's like, buddy, if you don't like flip the script here, but then that's where I'm like, don't worry. I got it. And then I went shoes off. And I'm like, oh, fuck this guy. This guy still piping drives and hitting the middle of the green every time. So I'm like, I went to the trust of gummies. Yeah. When you started slipping on some guy. It was hilarious. I love. We had to edit it. So it wasn't that bad. But I'll fuck. I was pure pressure on the shit out of that guy. And, and the best part of the video is, I'm like, so I had to like make him uncomfortable. Taking it because I knew his teammates didn't know it. So, so as soon as I made him take it, I go to these guys to go, hey, he took it. And he's like, oh, sit in. I'm like, no, no, give it like a whole or two. And then he had that big shot. And I'm like, I'm like, Hey, boys, he took the gummy. And then then one of the boys goes, you took a gummy. And I'm like, we got him. No, he was so. I think it was Schneider's like, no, you took. No, no, no. Yeah, Schneider's isn't been the same sense. I think he's playing in the, I think he's playing in the Cape Cod league right now. We got to get him back. We got to get him back up. It was business Mona Lisa. Yeah. What other, what other baggers did you like? We watched the swish one. Yeah. I mean, obviously. worth the cold of guys. Yeah. What's the switch on the other day and seven hour round, bro? I bet. And it probably 120 out there. And looks like you started it. You started 6am, right? You guys said early. And you guys were just giving her to like that's that's compete. That's compete. That's compete. But I think they were slow playing us. It's our only ever tie. Well, you guys were heat daddy was just I loved how I loved how pissed you guys were all at them too. Like it was hilarious. I was it's more like what's like, yo, what the fuck's going on here? Like pace of playing. I'm like, yeah, I kind of agree with you, even though I'm dog shit. And then that was before that was before a year ends came with that slow of a round. I don't remember being that. I don't remember you guys bitch in the first. I think it was a six hour round. Part three, right? It wasn't part three. And you called it too. Like you didn't even, you didn't even like finish it. Right? You tied it. Right? You said, I was too hung over. That's when R.A. came and puked. Are you sure? Yeah. Puked. As the round was ended, that was, oh my god. Yeah, it was. Did you see wet hole out against rooting? Yeah, I was hilarious too. That was a fun one. I love, I just coached to like, hey coach, coach, let's go. Hey coach. What about the OG bagger with Nathan said? Yeah, we flipped that on the other day. I mean, you watched a lot of those a while ago too, but we watched and then we watched what was the other one with the rascal. Who's it with? Oh, the teacher. Duke Rask and who else was in there? Crazy. Yeah. Oh, the 3v3. Yeah. And the best part of that one is Tuker showed up and he was all game, he was game facing us because he'd already lost one against us. And he and he was telling them in the car on the way over. He's like, don't get, don't drink too early. Well, they showed up like an hour and a half before the round. They're drinking like, you know, IPA's like, oh, yeah, like we've never drank and golf before by the back nine. They were puddles. I was like, oh, and Tuker's like, I told them, I told him, I told him in the car on the way over. I told him and he was all mad. That'd be under the lights for sure. That'd be a high pressure moment. So who, who are your two guys then you would go with? I'd bring. I don't know. I feel like I got, you got to try and bring it here. So I mean, as you kind of find out about again, like Joe or Teesh, because I live it's like, so I live with or you want Jerome, which I would have assumed you lived with Jerome, but you do it. Yeah. So as boys, like, you know, Teesh and Joe, like his, like his kids, right? So Jerome, we, I remember because he's trying to get to scratch right now. He probably is there now. But when I was living with him, he would, like, he drops off at like one year after season was over. Five of us joined like this wreck league soccer, like soccer team. Like we were, I was the closest guy was to height in me was Joe. And I think Joe was probably, I was probably six three at that time. And Joe was, I don't know, five, 10 probably. And Joe was the next horse guy. Everyone else, but what blows like five, six, five, five. And so I look, we looked like massive out there. And it's just like some wreck league soccer that you run it like we could run down the field. And we've never played soccer. And you just run down the field and get a couple touches, get some, get some goals and apples. But so we joined that one year. And that was, that was nuts. But so you got to kind of like, like be around Jerome. What was Jerome like? Yeah. Jerome was unbelievable. I think he was like, I learned so much from him. He was obviously kind of, I mean, the type of player he was when he was in NHL, you kind of, you're a starstruck when you get around him. And then at the rink as a coach just too, right? So, oh, at the rink, he was, yeah, that just a different insight. Like he had a different insight. Then every other coach that hasn't played 1500 games. And he was obviously, he was coaching me kind of at the start of my defense, like defense journey. So it was pretty helpful to have, I mean, we had Patrick Weirkoch as well. I don't know if you remember that name played in Ottawa. And so we we had him two coaching. So he has NHL games. And he really, both them really helped me kind of take that jump as a defenseman and figure my stuff out right away. Jerome, dude, 500 talks. Did he get the 600? I think he made, I think 600 talks, nail gun. Yeah, he was, he honestly, he would be in 25 three who have never, I think I got to go top five list of who never won a cup. Yeah, him, jumbo, Joe, lungquist, those are Shane donor. Of course, because I love Shane Don, and then who would be the fifth big wall, big wall, congratulations to him on the hall of fame, baby, couple clicks. Well, buddy, we did like 10 last questions with you. And we've taken over an hour of your time, but the good news is your, you're going to be top 10 easily now. If not top five because of this interview and you're welcome. Awesome. Thanks, this now we got to speak back in a sandbagger. Enjoy this week, man. Thank you. Enjoy it, buddy. 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What's up gang? Good to see you boys. A little follow up for the hockey hall of fame announcements. I want to give a shout out to Cindy Curley, like you mentioned a few minutes ago with the stole mass native shoes, pot of back-to-back national championships 84 85 here at Providence College. Just a little salt to here. Also, pot of the first woman's world championship team won three silvers. And it's a big day for Providence College. Of course, Berkey went there, played college hockey day. My buddy's dead. Johnny Tibbett's way back a day. So I want to give her a shout out. And personally, congrats to Berkey. He's been a friend of the program. Bergeron, obviously in the big wall guy. I've known a long time and I'm very happy for him. Finally, I'm very happy he finally got in. So good stuff there. And Patrice Bergeron, he's the fifth hockey hall of fame to spend his entire career with the Bruins, joining Ditklappa, Bobby Balla, Woody Dumont and Milchpit. But all four of those guys played well before 1960. So pretty cool that you don't see too often that a guy gets in the hall of fame these days playing all his career at one team. So pretty good stuff right there. Also, man, the radish news. I think this is one of the great inspirational stories in hockey. This guy, he was in the OHL for five years. He was undrafted, played seven years in the AHL. I think he played six before even got a call up. And then no, now he's got his payday. He just stuck with it. Just a story of, you know, batland adversity, sticking with the game and getting to where he's got. So I just want to give him a little shout out there. So good stuff. Also, we got to give a shout out to Linda Cohn. She's right. Yeah. She's going to be retiring from ESPN this weekend. She played in over 5,500 sports centers that she anchored. 5,500 shows at sports center that she anchored. Huge hockey fans. She's been a huge proponent of our game. So Linda, I just want to give you a shout out for what you've done for our game over the years. So Friday night, she's going to be on the 6, 10 and 11 o'clock sports centers. Also going to be checking them a boochie during the draft. So just want to give her a shout out for all the stuff she's done for. Oh, yeah. She's awesome. Yeah. She just fan, right? She loves hockey. You ever see when she tried out for the Florida Panthers, they opened up that's unbelievable. I think Poitanoid did it at the same time too. Yeah, I think you're right. It was a Jimmy Hayes and I had authority shooting on them. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. She had a good quote. She said, what, what I'm most proud of is that my career lasted long enough for me to see little girls grow up watching sports center, enter this business and succeed in it. If my journey helped make it the path a little easier for them, then that's the achievement. I'll share a small show and grads the Linda awesome job in your hockey career and sports center career. Good. She's awesome. Yeah. Awesome stuff is right. Biz. You were correct last week. We were talking about the hockey date in Canada logo in usage of the term. It's not going to be part of Rodgers going forward. But I guess CBC is apparently going to use this legendary name in some undetermined clearly inferior capacity eventually on their own network, so so yeah, it's not going to be moving on as far as Saturday night hockey, but they're going to be using it in some capacity. So either way, I don't know what they're going to do with that, but good luck to them on that regard. Well, it's nice to know all right about one thing on here. And by the way, R.A., we will be getting interrupted in a few minutes here. I do have a short surprise guest. It won't take up too much of your guys time, but I think you'll be very, very happy. I'm surprised with who it is. Can't wait. What? You just mentioned the world cup. Did you guys see that clip that was glatine in Henry Terry there? They were in the studio. They were incredible in the ball. Like, oh, my God. Like, I showed that. I mean, I shared it on all my social media. Like, I mean, I'm kind of late to soccer late in life to soccer, but that clip was unbelievable. Just like the nonchalant like nature of what they were doing so skillfully. And they clearly, I'm not huge fans of the co-worker, Alexey Lallos. I think it's funny. It's like a little bit of a bit now and yeah, they're carbon. But it's funny because it is. It's like a guy who played in the fourth league in Denmark with like, McDavid and Prosper. Yeah. I mean, they're good. They play. MLS and he played in the ML. I mean, he's a good soccer player, but he was not European soccer level, right? And so then he's on there with them and they just carve for them. Carver. That's lockdowns unbelievable though. Yeah. He, I actually did a snake draft one time where we were talking about, I think like the, the cockiest athlete ever, I don't remember the exact snake draft name, but I said him in all the stories about how he talks to the third person and he's brought that in a funny way to TV. Oh, for sure. I got a funny story about him. I was at a Starbucks in Vancouver. Like, I just had to walk in to take a piss. And I like, I like walked in and like, it didn't look like there was a bathroom anywhere. And I like, there was like three guys talking and I'm like, Hey, do you guys know where the bathroom is? And it was him and his two buddies and they just look at the lock on doesn't pee. And then he's like, didn't even answer, didn't even, he's like, Basie like shoe peasant. Like didn't even answer me. So he probably thought I was just doing it because I knew who he was. But like, I was like, I didn't, I was like in a rush and I was like, I was like, basically in a piss bomb in the midst of a Starbucks. Oh, no. And, and I was like, I think that that was the soccer guy and sure enough, it was. Yeah. Yeah. There's a ton for pigeon tossing me. Like he does everybody else. He played the men's national team back in the 90s when, you know, there was sort of coming on the scene. He was known with this red goat tea in here and playing the guitar and whatnot. But yeah, he played Siri with it called Siri B and Italy. Like for a first, you know, a little bit of a time that went to the MLS. So yeah, like what said, he's his professional like resume compared to the other two. It's like, it's like me, what you guys compared away, but he, but he's a well known US soccer place. So I get why he's on there. Yeah. But he does seem to like bring in a lot of rage and I don't know enough soccer to break down his analysis. But, but either way, it's been a little like entertaining side side thing either way. I miss congrats on me 37 years without a phone call on five this day. So shut up that. Hey guys. You said 37 years. Well, I mean, yeah. Since you first time you got a call, yeah, exactly nine months. Good call. Good call Keith. Yeah. No, I never really had any major scares. But I'm just trying to play off the father's day. I know. Okay. And I know my dad. He does watch. I didn't post on the online because he's not a social media guy. But until my old male Leo Peter fruit, he's the best. Have a father's day. Once again, you know, you've, you've been the best fellow by like, you know, 54 years I've been here. So shut up to Leo. He's the ball. Are you sniped, are you? Yeah. I've been sniped for a while. Yeah. I got sniped. People like, wait, how many kids you have? I'm like zero. I'm like trying to keep it like that. You weren't supposed to lay on the couch for three weeks. It was three days. Three years. Yeah. Three years. Yeah. I've been sniped. Yeah. I would. Yeah. Some of us want them. Some of us don't. Blender on his back. Yeah. Also, we got to give a shadow to a guy. Frank the tank. Frank Flemmin. He's been on, you know, Boston for years now. Noble ads. No, they go, noble ads. He walked for the 1,000th straight day on Sunday. He's lost over 250 pounds, which, believe it or not, is actually more than I weigh in the last. That's like. Now, all right. Do we, I know the Frank walks are incredible, business done one. Is it, has he just walked or has he changed anything else in his life like style? I know. Or anything. I was just walking. No, Janks has been having him do stuff for a long time, man. Janks has him working on his diet. Like that kid, Janks has Frank so fucking dialed. That's unbelievable. All right. I'm glad you brought that up. That's awesome. That's amazing. That's inspirational. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It is not too if you just walk every day. Just walk. Yeah. It's just a couple of miles every day. What do they say? 10,000 steps a day is like the healthy. That's what you're supposed to be getting. Yeah. Just getting them in. Like, hey, I haven't seen them lately because we don't go down to New York anywhere close to the regularity. You still obviously the gambling and the live streams of change, whatever. But he's a guy. I always kind of bond with it like I'm an old school baseball nerd even if I don't watch the game much anymore. So I always appreciate getting together with Frank and very happy for him. So we love your buddy and we're so proud of you and keep, keep trucking along and anybody else who going through anything similar struggle in any way like the there's, there's no better inspiration to look through to like just sticking to it. Like it's, it sounds like all who it's easy walking a thousand. No, it's not. It's not. It's how to do it thing five, 10 days in a row. So shut up. For sure. And Mike, you know, if you are a little bit, you know, if you're, if you're overweight, like, it could look a little overwhelming at the start where it's like, man, just like start there in a thousand days, consistency, right? Exactly. And you might not look like raw the bod right away. By the way, my mother watched the, the clips, yeah, they saw raw the bod when a shirt got ripped off. I was like, Hey, it's over. It's over. Yeah. So what's that lightsaber? You got there. Well, it is funny, too, like Frank's mortal enemy is the New Jersey transit, but like if it wasn't for their F up, he, he, like, I mean, that doesn't happen. He probably doesn't. The door doesn't open to his career or a hostel, which opens the door to this like, health change. So it's kind of ironic that it's a good call. This organization. Although he probably would have done something else gone viral, the word Dave would have found them. Yeah. And honestly, with like, I, I do wonder too, like, you know, that, that, that clip was unreal. But like if his voice doesn't crack when he goes, what's it? What's the word? Oh, uh, I'm comfortable. I would like to wear it. That's not the right word, but it break his voice breaks when he said, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, confidence. And yeah, yeah, and come up. Whatever it was, his voice breaks. And I wonder if like a port name, if his voice doesn't break in that moment, if it becomes, like, the viral, the right viral thing. It becomes an electric meltdown. Yeah, absolutely. Good stuff. Uh, all right. Moving along to a little entertainment aspect, movies TV, uh, a new mini series dropped on Netflix. It's called, I will find you. You know, the author, Highland Corbin, uh, probably a lot of, uh, probably, uh, dad's, like, AIDS, maybe read the books. That's a new mini series with Jonathan Tucker, um, my guy from Charlestown here. That just dropped the other day. I'm going to give that, uh, uh, look, see, it's about a wrongly imprisonment. He gets some late information about his case and goes on the run for that. Give that a look. See this other one, bitch. This is a golden. Either couple of edibles. Maybe it's called the remarkably bright creatures. Uh, it's the Sally Field, uh, Lewis Pullman, who's Bill Pullman's son. And it's like another hot, warmer sort of crowd please, but more importantly, it's an octopus movie. And Sally Field, she's like, cleans up an aquarium at night. And she talks out loud too, sort of, sort of to herself, but there's a, like, uh, I guess a sentient octopus who is here, sorry, and he kind of voices, voice does voice over for the movie. It sounds like a weird movie. Everybody I've told, told about it or has watched it, loves it. It's called, uh, like said, remarkably bright breaches, put it on. Does anyone love octopus movies? I was going to say I'm having deja vu. He was, he was, that my octopus's teacher. He was like, I think he's getting himself going to that one. I think. Yeah. And then he's got a new act. All right. But fish is saying it's, fish is saying it's unbelievably good. Oh, I got, we got R.A.'s old lady getting, getting off to, to rod the bottom one room. And then we got R.A. going off to, to all the tentacles in another room. Hey, guy, what do you mean, boys, uh, spitting checklist, baby. Come on here. I told you a story about my, my sister getting take to the wood shed. My mom told that. I figured I'd open up the door here. Oh, he's a way funny. Oh, yeah. All right. What is it called again? Sorry. Remarkably bright creatures. Sally Field, you know, uh, one of the great 70s, 80s stars and, uh, Louis Pullman has, his dad, Bill, Bill Pullman, he was the president and, um, independence day, Cole meaty, great Irish actor. So yeah, give that a whirl, uh, also this other one. I mentioned it before. I don't know if you started. It's called Death by Lighten. Sounds like a boring title, I'm sorry, a boring topic. It's about the assassination of President James Godfield and this guy who was friendly with him at first, then ended up assassinated him. Spoiler alert. It's out there. It's history. But Matthew McFadian from Succession, Michael Shannon and Betty Gilman, awesome, awesome show, man. Later on, you don't think you're gonna be into it, but it's just this crazy part of American history. We'll really enjoy that. Uh, and also boys, I dug into the, I started digging to the Harry Potter movies, which I never did. Cause the book come out when I was like 25 the first one, the movie come out when I was like 29. Just wasn't my wheelhouse. I certainly wasn't a target audience, but I started digging into that. And first movie down. I really enjoy it. Looking for it to whack it out the next seven over the rest of the summer here. Just, you know, there's, there's eight. They're in the farm. Wow. Yeah. There's eight. Oh, shit. I was like, Holy shit. But, you know, I mean, yeah, it sounded like Twitter over there. But yeah, I think I'll just watch that DVD where it got me or Dan got me. Exactly. And my classic recommendation for the week, it's called in Bruce. It's in I N B R U G S 2008 movie with Colin Fowl and Brendan Gleason. You probably remember them from the banshees of Inner Sharon. They played two headmen. They hold up and Bruce Belgium. It's a fantastic dot comedy. Same guy who did write banshees of Inner Sharon in the free billboards outside of Ebbing, Missouri. If you saw that movie a few years ago. So yeah, in Bruce, awesome. Flip Colin Fowl, Brendan Gleason, give it a look. See if you can find it. All right. Yeah. Well, I watched the treasure of the Sierra Mudge raid. You did. No. You mother. All right. Actually, well, gee, you know what, gee, did, did, gee, texted me earlier like asking what the name of it was. So I don't know if that's a set up. That's why. Yeah. So you can like, sock me out with a shitty sock or like if it was actually legit. I know. I will give it a shot like which one, the black and white one. Like see. Black and white one. No. But hey, we fucking crazy. No, I know. And I can't understand why it drives you crazy. It's a great movie. Trust me. You won't care. Great movie. I know. But I love it to wonderful life. And that's black and white. So it's just all right. The plot. The plot. We were, we were reading the plot of the movie. Yeah. It sounds unbelievable. I feel like they should do a remake of it in color. Okay. See that we should, we should make it deal right now that we'll watch it. Okay. Which way on the flight over the pond, the, the, the black and white one that he recommended last week, the treasure of this Sierra, what Humphrey Bo got like, I like, what is, let me ask, what is it about the black and white that just makes you just tune the F alt right away? I'd rather do black and white than subtitles. I love subtitles. I just got into subtitles game changing. But now I do have to watch everything but sports and all seriously, they're just there. But seriously, what is it about the black and white that makes like, like you just not want to, I just don't, I think it's the equivalent of like when I show my kids movies that we watched growing up and then they're like, oh my god, this seems so old like, what, how about a clip of me skating in 2007 and the, what, on the O.L.N. network? Is that slow motion? No. Well, that's a, that's a bummer. Boys, um, how many more recommendations you got? Cause I got, I got the, the, the, the very, very big surprise guests for R.A.'s world. Let's do it. The owner of the Carolina Hurricanes, Tom Dundin is going to be joining us right now. Oh, wow. How fucking sick is that? Oh, shit. How did you find this up? I have no idea. I feel like he's fucking with us. I'm going to go fill up my wine glass because I think this might be real good. All right. Real pretty good. It's wine in there. Yeah. Keep it running. And wine. Yeah, a little Vino. What's wrong with that? Nothing. I would have had some if I knew you would have. We'll go grab a glass. You're the fucking owner of the Carolina Hurricanes, so all right. Glass of Rouge, uh, Mr. Dundin. Thanks for doing this. This is, you're actually the first ever owner to be featured on R.A.'s world. The back of the podcast. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Appreciate having you. Yeah. Thank you. It's just grabbing a glass of wine. Cause this was like unexpected. We already interviewed, uh, Keaton Behrhoff, who's going to be at probably a top 10 pick. So we can just start snapping around now, man. Congratulations on everything on a world win the last, uh, what, two weeks now. Yeah. No, it's been unbelievable. So thank you. I mean, like, like what's it been like the last couple of weeks, just like the finals and the nerves and everything? You know, it's, it's weird because the, the losing just fucking sucks, right? Yeah. Winging is more like a relief. So I wish I was, I'm like, maybe I need drugs or something to get as much high as I get from the lows of losing because it's, like, say, I'm more just, I was fucking tired of losing and you get embarrassed, you know, it's like, you think you got a good plan to done work and then you start wondering what you're doing wrong and, I don't know, a lot of times teams are quitting on coaches. And I saw you just said, Rod Brinnemore is a job for life here and in all that time are you being pissed off and like, what do we need to change? He was never even a thought, right? He was your guy. Now, absolutely. Yeah, I'd be like, I don't get sports in the sense that they want always looking for someone to blame and, you know, I get criticized for being involved, but because I'm involved, I kind of know who's fault it is and it's usually, it's usually mine. And so I don't know how I could blame him if, if I see what a great job he's doing and sometimes you just lose sometimes, you know, but it wasn't, it was never his fault. No matter fact, I imagine we wouldn't have, I know we wouldn't have all the success without him. So yeah, he's, I, when I hired him, my thought with him was like, you're going to do this, we'll do this together as long as they listen to you and you'll know before I do if they stop listening and they hadn't stopped listening to him and they still love him and as long as that's the case, then I'm lucky to have a, how happy were you for a guy like Jordan Stahl for what he's done for your organization, a guy that, you know, when you think of the Carolina hurricanes, you think of Rod Brindamore and you think of Jordan Stahl, like how happy were you for him? Obviously, when in the cup and when in the cons might then be in the captain of that team. Yeah, it's kind of crazy the way it worked out, all those goals and so yeah, because he's, like, it's so cliche because we talk about how good the locker room and how good the guys are, but these are like the best guys and he's one of like the nicest human beings you've ever met, just although I've been a little surprised with how much sort of charisma and, you know, how much fun he's having because, you know, a few years ago, you know, Willie started the storm surge we did because the hurricanes were boring, right? And I was like, we need to do something and they came up with this and then Willie left and some of the guys that started it left and Jordan, I remember Jordan saying, because he says, Tom, how long do we have to keep doing skits? Skits. I think we were at times applauding and at times carving it a little bit. Yeah, of course. Yeah, but so, and what could I say, right, Jordan Stahl is like, how long we have to do skits and he just totally disarmed me. I'm like, I guess, I like I appreciate it when you do it, but you don't have to do anything. And so, so to go from the guy who's like, how long do I got to do skits to watching him up there, you know, with all this personality, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know he could score that many goals and I dancer it and know he had this much charisma. I bet you had no problem doing it on stage though at the rally you guys had. Yeah, he was, he was doing the, the, I forget they're the Jordan stall, you know, the whole thing. He's marching up there. He's been awesome. He's he's special guy, but the way he's kind of become the face of it all is pretty cool. So when was it actually you saying, Hey, guys, I think we're a little boring and then Justin Williams came up with the idea we should do this thing after games. Yeah, so, so, you know, yeah, I mean, we were, I mean, let's be honest, right? That is a kind of embarrassing, like, my memory, my bought the team, my kids were like, you bought the Carolina Hurricanes, you're kind of a scrub, you know, like they're making fun of you, and when I, when I first heard about it, I thought they were in Charlotte. So like, I wasn't, you know, I wasn't, you know, you buy a cross force team. You think that's pretty cool, but at the time, it wasn't, it wasn't that great. And I knew we would change it, you know, but my whole point was we're in the entertainment business, right? Fans pay a lot of money. It's how the players make money. We got to entertain them. We got to give them people like winning, right? You, you win. People like it. They'll be doing a ton of winning in the beginning. And so as we started to turn that around, you know, what else could we do? And we were just trying to come up with different ideas and you know, moving fans down and I made them turn the music up and I got killed for that because, you know, the old people to like it loud. And so we're, you know, we're trying to do things and just kind of talking to Willie about a little bit. And I go to the first game of that season, we hired Rod. And they won. They go downstairs, they thank you to everybody before I had it home. And then I find out they do this deal. I knew nothing about it. Like I did tell them to do it. They came up with it. I had no idea. Now after that, I'm like, can we give you some music? Can we, you know, what can we do to help you, help you coordinate this thing? But yeah, I think, I don't know who came up with, I think it was Willie, but they never officially said so. You said you didn't grow up with it with a sports background. Like did you play it all? Like where did this competitive nature come from where you're like, I fucking hate losing? Was it just in business? Yeah, I mean, I, look, I played sports like everybody growing up. I was, you know, like I, that's what I love to do. I play basketball every day in my life just because it's fun and you could compete. Um, I, like when I had kids, I had to, I had to calm down because I was, I'm not tough, but I'd be willing to fight you if you, if I want to, I just, I want to win so bad. It was unhealthy and, and, uh, the, the hockey thing was just, I watched the Olympic team when I was like nine, 10 years old and the US hockey team was like the biggest memory of my life. And so I, it's always like hockey and I, I lived in Dallas and the team came to Dallas when I was like in college. And so you go spend five bucks and sneak in the upper deck and that kind of stuff and it wasn't that hard to get hockey tickets in Dallas, right? It wasn't it was they were they were good, but it was still hockey in Dallas. And so I just I just liked it. I just enjoyed it. Can you compare the wins to anything in the business career or some sort of other life achievement or is this the pinnacle flyer right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's so pandering and cheesy, but you know like I really like my wife and getting married to her was pretty cool and kids It's fucking awesome. Check the boxes, eh? And just a can you listen, just in case. No, no. And then, you know, being poor and getting rich is pretty fucking good too, but, you know, it's hard to beat this one, you know, it's this one's pretty good and and for all the reasons, you know, Rodney, you love the people and it's just it's hard to describe how how happy it can make you when lice pretty good otherwise, but this was the thing that was like I don't know what I would do if we had never won. You we talked about how involved you are was like, Rod, like, were you in the interview process and you're like, this is our guy. We don't need to go anywhere else their guy. Yeah, you know, so when I so I like showed up in like January and I've been watching this nonsense and I don't know if you guys you probably clear to get some It's fucking embarrassing right to watch the way the team played and they knew they were going to lose and and like I remember watching like from afar as I was buying the team like when they played like Pittsburgh or Washington, they might be tied or up one in the third and the other team, you know, it was like, okay, enough with you kids and they would just be us. And the culture was just the coach wanted to win two to one. I like the coach, by the way, so I'm not insulting anybody. I'm saying it just didn't have that like It just didn't have that thing. And so I I watched that for a while and that didn't do it for me. And so I knew we had to make some changes and really just changed the belief system and Rod was an assistant coach and I walked into that locker room when they were like showing me around and you know, I remember forget he's sitting at the desk at the coaches office and the locker room was Disgusting. He was like a high school locker room and he turns at that big square jaw and looks at me and I was a little like Startled for a segue a little intimidated and I was like man, this guy's got a presence right in my brain. I was like this guy's got a presence Well, then everybody says all these nice things about this guy now easy assistant coach of a terror team Right, so I'm thinking I want everybody out of here right like the losing stench is like fuck. I couldn't do it And then I keep hearing what a great guy is and and you know, I start talking everybody trainer staff equipment people You know like parlors. I have this reputation is I literally talk to every single scout every single person And the only thing that I came away from that was really good there Was everybody respected this guy right and even those there was things that needed to change And then when I talked to Roddy about what needed to change he would never say anything bad about it. He would just say You're doing the right thing you're asking the right questions. You'll figure it out right which was code for You know, this place is shit And then they had the old man's game And fucking rods team won every year and I like that shit right so every year Rod's team would win I'm like I kind of like this guy So I hear all these good things and and then we get to the end of the year and I only talk to one other coach a guy rodage, you know rod recommended. I talked to another coach Which I thought that was pretty cool like he won't say anything bad about anybody everybody loves this guy And he was convinced he could do it right he was like Because I was like, you know, I don't know about taking the risk on a guy. It's never coached before Like I had no idea if you could do it. I just know you're good. Do and he says He was like, are they fucking love me and Raleigh like I got more wrist in you because if I screw this up like I'm I'm a hero around here But how to maybe laugh I'm like, okay, so you got so little downside And so yeah, I just like I just hired him like I didn't others be honest if I knew he was this good on our you know like I didn't know I didn't know he I literally think he I've said this before But of all the thousands of people I've hired that I work with he's Number one by far. Wow. It's uncanny how good he is at this and If I I wish I knew I wish I I wish I'd figured it out, but I didn't know Yeah, it's it's an incredible story because it was the exact opposite of them loving him for us playing coach days And hating him as a coach because then he does it again. Yeah, it's a great story But you've mentioned a couple times on needing things to change so when you bought the team You often hear like wow this guy's looking to make a big impact right away kind of through the grapevine, right? And you were looking and everything you say you talk to every scout you talk to everyone that was your Go to from the beginning like I'm gonna be super involved like I'm not just buying this team like I'm in this thing And because of that you're just always up front and honest with like all the employees of the team Yeah, I mean I look I I think I know more about the 2018 draft that any human because I read every scouting report in the internet and are and it's just and I I've just You know when you get when you like everybody if you get really interested in something You can accomplish more than if you're just kind of passing by and I just wanted to learn and I just wanted to understand it I never thought I could I never thought I could watch a player and know more than you guys know or somebody you know like that would be stupid But if I read information from people who know players, I think I can accumulate that information and you know be sort of unemotional about it, but so yeah, I knew I was going to be involved and Like say probably more than I should be and I'm less involved now because the people are just better at it Yeah, delegate but yeah, I I definitely wanted like the first thing I did I talked to this date jippit Who was a friend of guy branded morrow that I played golf with in Dallas and Tipit tells me about Jordan Martin up and so we trade for that guy because I wanted a guy with some heart, you know That was your first trade you made didn't wasn't it? Yeah, it was our first thing we did and the we And then I was going to do something, you know, um, I remember uh talking to um That papar saw on the agent drake guy and he We had a mutual friend somehow and I called him I'm like well What about you know Tavaris was a free agent like what about Tavaris? He's like Tom. He's not going to fucking Carolina Okay, that's you're reaching out you're asking yeah, and it's like we wouldn't even get a We wouldn't even get a sniff for things like that back then, but now I now we get we get our shot at these guys So so at that point when you hear that you're probably like The fact that people are like wouldn't even consider us like that's bullshit You obviously like that just makes you even more competitive to completely change everything around now My next question is what lab did you build Eric Tulskian? Yeah great question. Yeah, so he was there right like So he was in the room as like an analytics guy I'm not sure how much everybody listen to him Because you know how hockey is and just life is right like and you've seen him He's a nerd right and I tell him that I don't mean that as an insult either it's a fucking compliment. I wish I was that smart. Yep I also said he's the best looking guy in the carolinas like he's the sexist man in the carolinas He's got that unique look to him, right? He does have a unique look I worried he did a podcast the other day and I was like man we got to work on the fucking lighting for you Although it's doing a spray tan like wit. Yeah, I do it for a living and I still hear that so we can't play Tulski's only He's doing math all day. How's he supposed to get ready to do a podcast? That's right. He's not doing a lot of sun. That's true But the um, yeah, he was here and he I always liked him and you know what he does is is There's just no emotion to the analysis of the players or you have at least and if anybody in hockey thinks that they're not emotional They're just naive or lying because I am you are we all are you know like there's some of our guys that I wouldn't trade for anybody And just because it's like there's this relationship that That I wish I could tell you Didn't exist when it came to business, but it just does and you know he's a lot better at You know doing sort of some of the analysis and and Turning it into the facts now you may ignore some of those facts because of culture Toughness fit character But you at least know what the facts are every time we make a decision Yeah, so knowing how competitive you are now and me admitting to you I said they need a superstar they need like a gamebreaker and all of a sudden last year the rontan and deal happens So I imagine that you know when you find out he doesn't want to sign there you're you're probably pretty pissed off you you tell us but It's more about getting guys there and then showing them how amazing it is to live there and play there Which I'm guessing was part of it like he's gonna see this group and how nice it is in Raleigh But I'm kind of all over the place take us through that whole situation That you must have been like what the fuck are we and then he expect everybody he's unbelievable you it's just crazy story Yeah, no, I mean clearly we got lucky the way this turned out Yeah, I never we I never experienced someone that once they get there didn't love it And I you know like say us the guys in rod and and we you know, I think we treat the players really well and And they treat each other well and we win we fucking win all the time I heard it was the 80 bucks for parking. That's just, don't, don't. - Oh, the way I looked at the numbers. We average like 40. I don't know who got the other 40. - I was the fuck out of it. - I fucking wish, next year. - Yeah, I did, people will pay it. - Take it out of Marty's paycheck. - Exactly. No, it was only, yeah, I got, I ain't headed 40, but I gotta find out what, I gotta find out where the rest of that money is. But yeah, I didn't, I wasn't upset with him at all. I actually thought the fact that they gave us multiple team is it's not for everybody, right? Like, I was, I get it, right? He wasn't expecting to get traded. He loved it there. I mean, he got blindsided candidly. And, you know, then the world championship started. And by the way, the first couple games, him and Ajo are murdering people and can't score. Like, the analytics on those couple games were crazy and they just didn't score. And I think it all just sort of snowballed. But I don't go through, I'm not, I'm not vindictive. I don't owe grudges. I kind of feel like life's too short. And I'm not, now I got some people that I'm not probably gonna give the benefit of the doubt too. If it, if I were in a certain situation, but I'm not gonna try to go out and hurt anybody or, you know, I've never said anything bad about some of the people that maybe didn't get along with us or me. But he was in a really tough spot. And, you know, he all worked out and if we tell you, we thought Stan Covein was as good, we're lying. But we wanted him because he's, we wanted him, but we didn't know. Like we, we didn't know he's gonna play center. Yeah. I was just gonna ask you and it's kind of a question, I've always wondered like, who gets to design the ring? Is it something that you have your hands in on? Or is it, you know, you, you seem like a great delegator, you have somebody else to it? Or is this kind of one of your passions? I'm in the middle of it now. We're working on, I was actually frustrated that I didn't get a turn today. I showed the guys, after the parade, I took them in, this is to thank everybody for five minutes. Like I don't ever address the team. We first bought the team, I, we went in there, introduced myself and I'm, in essence, like, hey, we're not good enough, we're gonna get better. You know, the cheesy, normal thing you have to do. And I know, I may have probably talked to the whole team one other time, I don't even remember what it was about. There's probably about something that wasn't me, like telling them, let's go boys, you know, it was like some business thing. But so after the, after the parade, I brought them in and they had made us a little two-minute video of some of the fun stuff. And then we, we got to figure out a airplane for next year, do we buy one, do we charter? And then we got to figure out the rings and then the cup moves around and there's a schedule with us. I was just kind of like, thank everybody. And here's the stuff we got to figure out. And showed them a couple of things on the rings and said, look, we're gonna send you stats and sayings. You tell us what you want on there. And we'll, we'll design it up and do it. But like I'm not, I don't think I know how to design a ring. I think that's people that know how to do it. And then, you know, will he, will he's real involved, just always real involved with, with the organization. He's turned into a good buddy. And what you guys did to him was a right a few years back. But he shanked on the 17th hole. He's chirping about the bagger. He shanked, he's the best one. The fact that I didn't get the calls, Bullshit. But I think you probably won my reputation is why I didn't get it. Because we wouldn't, we would definitely not allow us to you guys. Well, you mentioned talking on the course. Hey, well, we'll bring the SPF 100, you'll be done playing a simulator. Yeah, that's funny. I'd like to see him play golf. But yeah, the owner and a sandbag are though, that's next level. That's we could say, for sure, we could say what we could do is we could do you and Ryan Smith. Because he loves to golf, he will do an owner edition. No, Smith's, he's better. So I played in this AT&T Pebble Beats thing with Ryan about five, six years ago. He's close to 20 by me. I don't want to play with him again. Like, okay, he's good. I'll play with him. No, I heard he's, I heard he's nasty. I mean, Clayton Callagall around swindling people on the golf course together. It's an owner player. He's waiting, he's, he's real. But no, the ring thing, Willie told me I got a surprise him. So I wanted to get him all involved. Like, what do you want to do? Now he's like, no, you got to throw it out. I'm like at dinner one night. So now you own also the Portland Trailblazers as well. Yeah. And you mentioned you played basketball every day growing up. Like, did you ever think that that was going to be a possibility when you bought the, the Hurricanes? Was it kind of always the first dream to own an NBA team? How has that all gone? Yeah. So I tried to buy NBA before NHL and I, I didn't get it done. And then that's how I ended up with the, this team is the banker when I kept failing. He calls like, I can sell you, I can get you a team and like I said, I thought they're in Charlotte. I didn't know their rallies. Like, I get you a team's Carolina Hurricanes and like, what? And I guess they had a sale fall through. And so they call me and, and so I ended up doing it like quickly, pretty quickly, but that's crazy. I got the, but I got this hockey team in my while. You're like, what the hell is that? It didn't even know the city. I had no idea. I thought, it's unbelievable. How much was it? Number 20. Oh, what a bargoon eight years ago is what a bargoon. Yeah. Well, they were losing, they were losing like 20 million a year. And so I remember talking my wife saying, you know, like, I probably fixed this thing, get it down to losing five, seven, 10 million bucks a year. But I'm going to be feeding this thing and she's like, well, but if you love it, right? Just who could, you know, whatever, just, but I never thought it could make, I never thought this like, I thought, I thought you'd be feeding it and just like, hey, looking man on a sports team. So you don't tell anybody you're losing money. All right. You can't bitch about alimony payments. This guy was leaking oil, fucking 20 sheets from the start. I'll be bitching about a fucking next 12 years, buddy. It sounds like a bad thing to spend your money on. What are you doing? What you got, all right? No, I want to mention, you know, like we just obviously found out through the Brady Kachak trade that you have places, one of his destinations that he'd be willing to be traded to. And I feel like there's, there has been a shift obviously with one of the Stanley Cup now. There's a feel like guys will be more likely to come down there because I've been down to a couple of games. I was at your outdoor game a couple of years ago and I went down with a friend a few years. It's a wonderful place to play. It might not be the big bustling city that guys may be used to, but I could see the appeal of playing in a place like that where it's a little more low key. You might know your name is a lot more, but do you feel that you guys are becoming much more of a destination now than say five years ago? Yeah, it feels like it, I mean, we're definitely on the list and like I, I think obviously these get y'all talking to each other, right? And I think people know they get treated good and, you know, I think winning's it. You know, I don't think anybody wanted to play in Florida or Carolina when we sucked. And now I've hit the winnings most of it. But yeah, I mean, if you, you can join an unbelievable golf course by a great house. Everybody's nice. There's not that much traffic. All the cities have cool restaurants now, you know, 20 years ago, I'd have to go to New York if you wanted to go to a cool restaurant now, everybody's got it. So yeah, I think, I think there's enough for the young guys if they want to go out and do their thing. I mean, it's not, not like some places, but it's okay and it's good enough and the girls are pretty out here. Oh yeah. Then, then if you want to have a family, it's, it's, it'd be hard to beat it. I'm not saying there's not other great places, but it's pretty good. And I, I think as far as the rings 16 and three seems to be a no brainer to put out one of the inscriptions. Pretty good. It's insane. It's crazy too. I was, my, my son was on YouTube and he, my, I'm a little 10 year old and he was, he's just on. I started watching it and you see how many good things have to go your way to do 16 and through it, right? Like it's, yeah, it's crazy. How do we win that? If, uh, if I'm curious because you mentioned earlier, like, uh, being poor and then being rich is pretty nice as well as winning the Stanley Cup. What did you do? What is your business to gain the wealth to own the hurricane to now the Trailblazers? So I did car loans, like, when I graduated from college, I didn't have a job and, uh, one doing, I wouldn't do anything special and a friend of mine worked at this car place and they paid money. So I went over there and, and then sort of left that to start a business to sell things to car dealers and one thing led to another is once you have really good luck and good fortune. But we'd like start in about a kitchen table with no plan. This is the internet. It wasn't really around then, right? Like, and were you good with the internet when it came around though? It was that part with a big aspect of the success. I was good with the data. I was good with, with, um, not being emotional about the odds, right? Everything was about the odds if, if someone was going to pay you back, they got a really low price. And if someone was less likely to pay you back, they got a higher price and we were good at figuring out that math, right? The business is a really small margin, big volume business. Do you just have to have the data and the math, right? And, um, I was always, I was always better than most at that part. Not to pump our own tires, but this is pretty fucking awesome. Isn't it incredible? Well, you're, yeah. You're very, you're very open with like the, the team in your business. I think hurricane fans, well, appreciate that. Like you see tailgates, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's awesome. What's happened there? It's, it's really pretty, because I don't think it's going away, right? And they had the years where they won and then it went away and now it just seems to be ripping. It's incredible. And it's cool to hear an owner so down to earth. Like, this is cool. Like Ryan Smith, you, like, it's cool to get to talk to you guys and how you guys have ran your ships and, and made the right moves and it's, uh, it's, it's all coming to fruition or all. And for you, because you mentioned you're involved if, if Towsky, uh, here's a deal or is talking to somebody he's calling you, or is it kind of at the end, or you, are you having your say within the deal between acquired a player, signing a player, because we've talked to contracts for Jason Blake, Jason, that's his dad, Jackson Blake and Logan's thank home. And it's, it's amazing work. How involved with that are you? Yeah, I mean, Tolstok and I talk a lot and, and cause I'm, my, I'm just pushing, right? Like, you get a young kid that we like, get them done. How do we get it done? Like, figure it out, just get it done. He's, he's much better at figuring out what the exact numbers should be. And my whole thing is we got a cap. And if we, I'm happy to spend it all. I don't care. I just want to win. But the more things you can fit in the cap, the better your team. And so yeah, we're, I'm probably pushing him harder than most to I fucking hate it. If there's a trade and we weren't in on it or, you know, how did this people find this player? And I'll go back and read the sky reports. Like, what are we missing? Oh, you know, I'm just pushing, but I'm not, like, I'm not on the phone with figuring out Jackson Blake's exact number. You know, I just want to make sure just get it done as soon as we can. This, this Tolsky ever hit you with like a late night meme packs or like a, a, a, a, a, a, yo, you up. Yeah, Bert. And a kid, he didn't really sleep. I wonder, I, like, he's, like, I'm, I'm going, I'm, I'm happy to go all the time. And he sleeps less than I do. So I don't know when he actually sleeps. So yeah, he's never, he's always available. What's one of the things I like about him? Does he ever joke around? Does he ever like, like, all of a sudden, he's like, hey, do you ever, like, anything off the beaten path or is he always not funny? No, he's not funny. It slipped the robot switch, like, off or sack, he makes joke. And he's actually easy to talk to and like, but it's a little worse, you know, and like, if he's gonna, if he's, if he's gonna call an agent or GM, he'll like kind of practice on me sometimes. And you, I'm like, I was like, you know the shit. Like, what are you worried about? Just fucking call him. You know, he's like, I'm literally, yeah, but he plans on you. Maybe snap it on him the way another GM would. So it's more realistic. Hey, Tom, I'm literally going to bend this agent over. Can I practice on you? Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to offer Jackson Blake six point one million. And he's going to take it. Oh, five, five, five. No, I'm like six. That's a lot. Yeah, fuck. But he wasn't, you know, when it doesn't happen right, like when these guys don't develop, you know, no one remembers those stories. So I, I like the ones where it does work and where you feel bad. You're like, oh, how I get this guy some more dough. You know, he's so good. So he, they made a lot of money for win the cup though. They all got a good check. Well, he did pull off the first of a setting during a parade, if not mistaken. That was pretty good. That guy's awesome. That was pretty wild stuff. Go ahead, bitch. Oh, no, I was just going to say as somebody who seems to watch their spending and is frivolous. Is that the word? How excited were you when you want to stand the cup and you were still $11 million under the salary cap? No, it's crazy. No one decided to do. We try to spend it a bunch of times. I'd never, ever look at the money. Like I just, to me, everything's about, is this right or wrong? You know, are you being responsible? I didn't even know how much the Hurricanes made for years until I sold a piece of the Hurricanes to buy a part of the NBA team. And so then I, that was the first time I even knew that, but what the, what the, what the actual, when you added it up, what it was, I never really added up. I just, you know, I think a lot of what people say about me makes me laugh and my kids will pull it up on the internet and make fun of me and stuff. So it's like, you know, you can't do anything about people can say and do whatever they want to say and do. Like what? Like when you took the T shirts away from the Portland Trailblazer fans, we didn't take anything away from anybody. Yeah, I think I, anyway, the T shirt thing is weird. Oh, no, I'm just bringing it up because like, yeah, like it must frustrate you as an owner when you see stuff online. You're like, "Oh, it's not true, but I'm not going to waste my time and energy defending everyone." Yeah, but his kids chirp him. That's great. That's unreal. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I probably should defend myself some, but sometimes it just makes it more of a story and what really good does it do? I get to own the fucking pro hockey team, a pro basketball team and like my life's pretty good. Like if some people want to have their keyboard and write shit, if that brings them joy, like, fuck, I'll be there, you know, they can use me as their, you know, outlet. I don't know. Boys, he gets the kids together. He's like, hey, I got some good and bad news. The good news is we signed the biggest free agent on the market. The bad news, he ain't getting any fucking Chris's presence this year. Yeah. Okay. Anything I spend is just don't have to give to them. So it's like free for me. That's not real. Aside from like the financial side of it, you talk about like the relationship with players. Like who are some of your most fun ones? Like maybe you're unsung hero and maybe talk even about this run in particular. Like who are the guys? You're like, ah, he stepped up here in your most memorable moments. I need the bussy story and the waiver wire when you grab me. You're like, you're like, oh, okay, Eric, who's this guy? Well, no, I was. So we liked bussy in the summer. I'm in uptrend for Primo. When I say we like them, I'm saying what they, what I read, they write down. Okay. So they write down we like Primo. We like bussy. There's some other guy that liked it. I know the name. I just don't want to say it because it's not on team. And, uh, so we end up trading for Primo. And then I'm nervous as shit that someone's, you know, I want to have a good third goalie because you never know. And, you know, Freddie's, Freddie's, um, knees been up and down and he's getting older. And I was like, I don't want to be in this situation. We got to get team. And so we have this whole debate when you put them on waivers. You wait to the last day. Literally, we spent hours and hours fucking strategizing about waivers on the goalie. And I'm just like, fuck it. The first good goalie that goes on waivers, I got 10 million of cap space. Just pick them up. So we pick up bussy and they're telling them, Hey, just chill wherever you are. We may not need you to actually, we're going to send you back where you were. We just need to get our guy Primo through waivers. And then Toronto takes Primo's. We're like, congratulations. You know, come on. So now we're carrying three goalies and wasn't the plan, right? We just, I was so scared we weren't going to get our goalie through waivers and he ended up not getting through. And so then the rest of it's dumb luck, right? Like, who knew this guy would win every damn game? And he's a nice person and, and, uh, you know, it's like good things happen to good people for sure with this guy. Well, you said that like he's a nice person. I feel like that's the whole roster. Yeah, we've worked a slave and after like that's the type of guy you want your community and representing your organization. And that like I said, goes top the bottom. Yeah. Like, say, I'm a little, it's, it's, it's probably a little cheesy or sentimental. But like, guys like that, like he was never playing anywhere else. Dude, when you asked about the gummy, I'm most lost it. Like, if you know this guy, like he's a champion of like, he is as a human. He's Ned Flanders. There's nothing wrong with him. He's the best human being and it's all so genuine and legit. And like, when, when we could sign in last year, he's just like, this is what I think's fair. It took five minutes done. Like, it was, it was, it was, it was so easy. And like you would never, he's got to know move clause because I wouldn't trade him anyway. So what do I care? And you know, like, when you ask about some of the players, like, I met Spets when he's 18. And so like, that's the first person we drafted. My daughter was up on stage, announced his name. And, and so I tell my youngest, I have a 10 year old, but, you know, he was two or whatever we drafted Spets. It's always telling Spets his brother, like, oh, that's your older brother. No, he was little. So yeah, there's a bunch of them. Ajo's been here since I got here. I mean, and, you know, Ajo call me. He's like, we need to get this guy. Like, he's in, right? Well, these guys are in. If we're trying to recruit somebody, like, I mean, it's like 4th of July last year. And you don't know about 4th of July and Finland. I'm like, Oh, you call healers, you know, like, and he's like working the way he said that to you before you guys ever talked to him. What's that? He had said to you, you got to call healers. Like, that was, like, partly him being like, go, go. No other way. Ask him to call healers. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, what the guys are on it? Like, during the trade deadline, I didn't listen to a misyear, but they'll call me like, Hey, we need toughness. We need this. We need that. I'm, and I was like, all the guys this year, they're not as good as the guys we got. Like, if we, and they were, Rod made a comment about how everybody was disappointed. We didn't make a trade of the trade deadline. And, and I wanted to, but it was just nobody. Well, they're all really good players. I'm not insulting anybody, but I think ours were better. Okay. So that goes back to, so will you maybe start hearing rumblings about, like, even I would have said, Ah, I don't know if you can trust Stank, Stank Colvin is your second mind center. This is first full year at center. Does that noise creep in? And like, you said that, oh, like, you tried to acquire, like, I know, like, uh, Troch was a name that was coming up. At what point were you guys like, no, let's just like, trust in what we have? So both are true. We did look at certain things at a certain price, and we were willing to do certain things. I also call, I remember calling Stank Colvin because you watch these a kid, right? When Stank Colvin got traded, he lived like a mile from me. And galarty, The Dallas Stars owner was his junior coach. I mean, his junior owner. And this kid grew up with all these. They have a bunch of great draft kids. These guys all came up together. And you know, you're changing these people's lives. And Dallas's a pretty good place to live. And I, you kind of feel a little guilty, right? You just ripped this kid out of his. And so we're putting him on a flight. So I went and picked this kid up to take him the airport 'cause I felt so guilty. He's calling his mom and like they're making plans. And so like you, you want it to all work out, right? You wanted to get here and be happy and you know, things aren't going in for him. So I, you know, you hear all this stuff. So I go to Tolstoy. I'm like, okay, show me. Well, if you looked at the players that had played 50 games and had the expected results versus the actual results that this kid had, he's the luckiest guy on the planet. And so I remember calling him and I went through this data. And I said, look, of all the players that look like you, 95% of them, it turns around over the next 50 games. Just don't, it's no big, you don't have to worry about it. He's actually crushing it, but the world didn't know it because he's small, he's young and they weren't going in. Now I didn't know he'd score like nine goals. You know, like I'm not saying this should have gone that far, but we were pretty confident that there wasn't better. There's other good players out there, but there wasn't better players than this kid that you could just go get. - That's pretty cool because I feel like back in, at least when I started playing, if I would, you know, you're not getting points as an offensive defenseman or you're not getting on the stat sheet, you were probably catching some heat whereas in your organization, it's like, no, we're looking at the numbers, like you are playing great, which that's a dream to hear as a player who was scoring or producing. - I've had that conversation with Fets more than once over eight years too, same thing 'cause he's so hard on himself, he's kids so competitive and all of them are. But you're right, and hockey, it's this culture of results. It's the same reason when we lose, I don't blame Rod. It's, you know when the process is right, like I know when the game starts, they're all trying their best, like that we have attention to detail, we play kind of violent in our own way. Like those things matter, the result, you know, but Rod got criticized for saying we didn't get swept like three years ago 'cause I knew what he meant, you all knew what he meant, but it's easy for people with their keyboards who insult the guy, right? Did you insult them? - I think I was just laughing, like I know they got swept, Rod, but yeah, I mean, I never did insult him, I didn't insult him, no chance. - Probably the wrong choice of words, but when you go back and look at it, we've played like 20 playoff series now. That was the second or third biggest gap between us and the other team in terms of expected goals, but they won. And, you know, it would be hard to think you should do something different if you understand that those games were 80% probability games and we lost them all. If we put it, it's like the U.S. Canada game. You think if they played that 10 more times, that result's gonna keep going like this. - Wow, I love that. - No offense. - Say it again. - Yeah. - Well, it's true. They all know it. I mean, it was a blood bath and they just didn't win. And so whenever that happens to us, I don't get mad. Well, I get mad, I freak out. I freaked out on Tulskie earlier this year 'cause we have like four games out of six where we didn't outchance the other team. Now, Slaven and all these guys are out, but I don't give a shit. Like, that's life, right? And we got outchanced or we were neutral or outchanced like four out of six games for the first time in eight years. And I couldn't sleep at night. I was, and we won like three of 'em, you know, like we're doing fine. But that shit drives me crazy if we're not better than the other teams. - I want to outchance them every, okay. I get, all right, take us through. BarberChef runs into Freddie Anderson. He's on this epic run and then Busy comes in. The most incredible comeback, but it ends in heartbreak for you guys. What are you thinking about who's starting the next game? How, like, you got to be like, at that point in the season, what's going on here? How's Freddie feeling? What are we doing? So, I'm real involved, but not with Rod. Like, not on, because I'm so fucking nervous that what if I say, play Busy and he loses? Like, I don't want anything to do with it. So, um, so I didn't know what to do to do to do. And it's Rod, like, and Rod trusts a goalie coach. But I thought, well, I knew Freddie's knee was, I knew what they were gonna do just 'cause of the injury, more than anything else. It's funny because that night, we got down. I went to Vegas. I'd never go to away games. I'd go to Vegas and we get, we're getting murdered. So I left. So I left at the end of the second period and I was pissed off. I'm going back to Dallas, fuck this. When, uh, so I'm on the plane and we're taxing and we score four goals. You left that game? I left that game. That's a funny line. And, uh, and so yeah. And then we lost anyway. So it worked out. I got in bed by one instead of three. But yeah, I'm even stupid. Did you think that, like, chances were they were gonna, even if Anderson could go that they would have gone with Busy? Yeah, I, I, Anderson was unbelievable for so long, but I think going into the playoffs, the first game we would, if he would have won just okay game, he would have gone with Busy. I mean, they trusted the guy. It was the odds that we would have had those first 13 games go whatever it was, 12 and one and, and not change goalies. I would not have taken that bet, right? It was, I was pretty certain they were gonna play both goalies. So the fact that it took that long, that was a surprise probably to everybody. Are you sitting alone during the game? So they get in the finals at home. Are you sitting there diving? Are you, are you looking like the, uh, George, George McFee and Kelly McCrimmonworth, remember in the Vegas series, they're going nuts for calls and goals. Are you calm? No, I'm, I'm just nervous and, uh, you know, half the time Willie's sitting next to me. I'm bitching at him about how could they, you know, like, um, but yeah, I, I don't have, I don't like that a lot of people are. I have my family and then, you know, if we have to take care of somebody like someone's a, you know, someone needs a space, but I try not to fill it up. I'm not drinking during games. It's just too nervous. I can't hardly eat, um, but yeah, I'm bitching about referee in and bad plays. I'm, but like to myself, I'm not as demonstrative. Probably is, I haven't seen it, but I heard in their booth, it was pretty, pretty loud. I haven't seen that. But no, I'm, I'm pretty, this, this, like I don't, this is fun because you guys do a good job and I think you're really good for hockey and, but like, I'm not trying to be like, I don't, I don't love the attention. Like I'm not the life of the party. I don't, I like to be of my wife and my couple of friends and my kids and, you know, I don't really, I wish I was more social and out there like that, but it was, it's not my thing. No, and that's why we, we really appreciate you doing this. This is like, this is unreal. I've never expected this much time from you. My last one is, you kind of mentioned it. When you got there, you bought the team, you know, it was a little bit dead in the building. The fans, I went there for the conference finals this year against Montreal and I was blown away. I don't know if it's the acoustics of the building, but they are just, every maybe missed call. They're all standing up and mother F and the ref and they are so engaged and loud and not to take anything away from Montreal, but I thought that they were a little bit more animated and crazy than Montreal fans. So, what do you say to them? - Yeah, I mean, it's also like, look, they're out there, you see it, right? They're out there getting harrowing in the parking lot. I'm sure that helps, and then, and then I agree, it's the acoustics or something, right? It's the older building, it's super small. And then I think on top of that, you know, it's this self-fulfilly prophecy. Now we keep telling them how great they are, and how loud they are, and they get louder, you know, so I think this whole thing is, it's super fun, right? Because we don't have to, we don't have to manufacture that, you know, like it's just there, it's just part of, it's just part of thing. And the other thing that's really good is when we lose, 'cause we've lost seven straight years. No one gets criticized, they cheer for, they cheer the team off the ice. There's no nonsense. Like, like, I don't get the whole thing in sports where people take their heroes, and then all of a sudden, wanna, these guys wanna win too, right? So we don't have to deal with that. I think that's the best part of it is. There, I never had one of my players ever been set about word to nothing, but they love 'em, and they cheer for 'em. And I think that's a big thing. - Live in there, and get, yeah, there is, earlier this episode, we just talked about the differences of certain cities in the league. All right, we have to give you our promise. We're sort of, I think we're getting rings. I'm telling the owner of that, but we own about 0.3% of the Greensboro Gargoyles. The year did not go as planned, but we're a part of the process, right, Biz? We're gonna have a Gargoyles player play for the Hurricanes at some point. - For sure. - It's easy to make our team. Call Rod, that's a good logo. That's pretty cool. Did you guys want to come up with that? - We were at that, we were, oh no, we didn't come up with that, but the people who really owned the team came up with that. - I was responsible for putting a guy named Doyle on the team because it's the same name as our mascot. And I think he was kind of six when I showed up to the game and you talk about those expected goals for, not exactly in the positive. - No, are you turning around? Do you have a plan? - I think we have a Russian goalie, you guys picked decently high, pretty legit, nice prospect. Now I don't know, he could have been traded this year. - We do have a plan though. - Yeah, yeah. - He's part of what? - We're actually gonna take all your players for next season, and play them in the ECHL. You're going to get our stall and they're going to be cheaper so that's good wife swap your players. Yeah, we need we need We could use if you guys could find us one that'd be nice Like my biggest pet peeve is when someone finds a player and it's not us So we need some we need some scouting reports and Rod has to coach all our home games I was just going to ask you quick you mentioned the arena being old like is there any plans of you building a new arena or anything in the works with that So we agreed a couple years ago to renovate the arena and then we have built in we're going to develop Office and all this stuff around the arena and we're leaving a spot. So my guess is this arena. I'll give myself in trouble But it's got at least 10 years in it and maybe more, but it doesn't have 30. So we'll probably get on that My guess is start thinking about it hard in about 10 years and at some point Old and charming doesn't keep up and we got old and charming and we're making the best of it And it's fun right now, but eventually we're going to want awesome and new It is a terrific venue to watch a game though. I will say that when you're inside the building the sightlands and everything and we always get killed about the Locker rooms for the road so bad. They fucking re get them. I was so pissed I went around that was part of it you guys had yeah, we were just brushed up in there Yeah, buried by the wind. It's nice now in there. I don't know why we did that, but You got to pick two guys three on three scramble our first owner sandbagger. We come down there We go to the gargos game when we get you over there. You could talk to the team that took it will figure out the ride Night. Yeah, really never I get I get willy if I got will me willy don't lose it anything So then we'll they keep score. Okay. All right. We appreciate you coming on Good luck to good luck to you in the NBA as well. I got a piece in there. That's awesome. So congrats on everything. Thanks for joining. All right, guys. Thank you How about how's that for an R raised world? Yeah, wow see the expectations for sure Biz yeah, all of us great job getting a air off a k a fair off and Yeah, that was it's cool to hear like what what's going on, right? Absolutely just a regular guy to like the f-bombs low on two hurricane fans, hurricane fans are gonna be just They're listening to that on repeat That is our apology to them forever doubting them maybe in years past Sizing moves. Yeah, call my slides made I believe that was Matthew But yeah, I don't know where else to go from their boys All right, you got anything else I know just tonight to show dropping on Tuesday I'm going to see the strokes across the street of the guy nice. I last saw them at the joint and at the hard rock in Vegas 20 years ago So I'm going with a bunch of palace tomorrow. I'm very excited for it. So I have fun since it's always this not like a good rock Concerts to like rock out the soul and get a good sweat in and yeah, very cathartic stuff rock concerts for me Everybody love it. All right. Everyone. Thank you so much packed episode. Thank you to Keaton Verhoff Thank you Tom Dundin unreal RA great seeing you boys. We'll be back next week and and at that point Oh, no, that'll be right before free agency. Okay. So are we coming back on Thursday or no just one this week? Yeah, okay next time I talk to you guys I'll be in I'll be in Jackson while I'm in My dick off handle my new flushing lures me and gala the camera the first overall graphic right huh? Chrono Maple Leafs right hook Everyone have a great week. Love you all bite Won't happen Breaking but it's taking time. I don't know if you don't like it. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen again You