Spittin' Chiclets Episode 653: Featuring Ray Ferraro

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This is unbelievable. Maybe last year through game one and two. Yes, similar incredible games, but it wasn't like that in game three, Edmonton, Florida. And I'll tell you right now, we're witnessing history game after game after game. And I can't believe it. And my favorite part personally is the city of Toronto. They didn't even make the playoffs. And it's like worse than when they watched their team lose a 2-0 lead to the Panthers last year. So incredible stuff. Saturday night, as Meme says, is going to be amazing. It was a movie. It was a movie. And it was an unreal movie because it was over in the second period. I went to the shower. After the second period, I went to the shower. I was going to like a bar mitzvah party afterward. And I'm like, oh, this is done. So I might as well just like stop watching the game. I figured we could just assess the first two periods. I come out of the shower with the towel around me. It's fucking 4-3. The group chat's buzzing. And Merles, were you in Stockholm at the time? Yeah, I was in the airport. I woke up probably an hour into the game. So I'm watching on delay. And then it's 4-3. It's 4-0. I said, all right, that's it. Pack the bags. Head to the terminal. And group chat just keeps going. And I'm not looking at it. But I see the numbers just keep building. I'm like, what's wrong with these losers? It's 4-0. Just stop talking about the game. Go to bed. Play with your kids or something if they're still awake. And lo and behold, next thing you know, it's 4-4. And I was disgusted because I had Vegas in regulation. Same here. So kind of nice, though, that you didn't have to watch the intermissions, right? Like you could just go right back to gameplay. And then you thought. Maybe, oh, the reason the group chat's buzzing is because the Marner penalty shot. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, oh, all right. That's why they're buzzing. Marner's getting a penalty shot. And then next thing you know. And it's also really weird. It's nice you skip the commercials. But I had Swedish announcers. So I'm not picking up anything where, you know, like hiding the lead. We've got Ray Ferraro coming on later. I like when I can hear the announcers. And they give you that little bit of extra info. And Sean McDonough and Ray Ferraro have been unreal. I think these broadcasts have been excellent. McDonough does every sport. He's really good at it. Hey, Chicklets fans. It's Fran from Chicks in the Office. The weather is getting cooler and Abercrombie's fall drop has everything I need for the season. The best-selling A&F Sloan tailored pant is a closet staple for me. I'm always wearing it to work events, happy hour, anytime I want to be a bit more dressed up. And the viral Dylan dress is easy, one-and-done perfection. But my fall uniform will always be denim paired with a Henley sweater, a bra-free top. It's comfortable. It's comfortable. Effortless. It just never fails. Find your fall capsule at Abercrombie. Shop in the app online and in stores. All right. Now back to the show. Wow. That's a long read. That's a long one. That's a long read. Let me stretch out a little bit. Little pinkies up. Mer's horn. Little downward dog in our living room. I can't do that, though, anymore. I got a question. What would the live line have been on DraftKings? It was 70 to 1. I saw plus 8,000 somebody posted. It was at 4,900. Okay. I saw 7,000. I saw 7,000 when it was 4,000. And they locked Vegas. You couldn't even take Vegas. There's no chance. And in the second period, I said, wow, like, Carolina had no business winning game two. You know, you're down 2-0 to this team. Under 10 minutes to go, it's over. They come back. They win it on the torch challenge. We went over that. It was great doing that last show after the game. I said, this kind of sucks. And this kind of proves is Vegas just way better than them? Because this is a complete drumming. It's 6-0 Vegas. It's 6-0 Vegas, basically. Now, they weren't goals, and they were perfectly reviewed. It was offsides. Offsides review, I can't stand. But that's the rule. It was offsides. The second one, I couldn't believe Anderson didn't get taken out of the game. Oh, I know. If my dad was with me, he's like, Barbershop, he could have broke his neck. Any other year, like, there was contact in years past where he would have been out of the game far less. So, shout out to him for staying in there. That's one of those ones, though. I think someone texted in the group chat, like, you wake up the next day, and you got, like, the neck brace on because it's so stiff, right? Yeah. And we ended up seeing it in a goal. But all of a sudden, the third period starts. I don't know what Vegas was. Like, I don't want to give Carolina all the credit because they played phenomenal. But Vegas, even towards the end, he goes, second period's the best period of our playoff. Third period, I don't know what we were doing. Is that an example of them being like, this thing's done? Like, we just watched the greatest six-minute and 30-second span a hockey player's ever had in Stanley Cup final. In playoffs. Quickest hot trick, right, ever? Yeah. In the Stanley Cup. We saw the quickest. Quickest hot trick ever. We saw two goals taken off the board. We saw two own goals, including the double overtime winner. But in the third period, I don't really know what happened. Like, I was on Wake Up Barstool. Neither do I. I was scrubbing my nuts. I was on Wake Up Barstool today, and Portnoy said, he's like, could you even score three goals in 39 seconds if it was five on just a goalie? Think about it. 39. How would you? I feel like we used to do that as a drill sometimes, and you had trouble scoring three on O. Yeah. And they got, I don't get how it happened. I don't understand, like, where it went for Vegas. Like, they were trying to get too cute. Like, Stone had, like, a half break where he took a slap shot. And what was the play? The backdoor play. Smith to Dorofeev. The worst play in the history of the Cup Finals. They were just getting too cute. And it's like, you got to step on that. This is one of the conversations at dinner was Dorofeev literally going, like, what the fuck, bro? Speaking of DraftKings, it screwed up our DraftKings parlay that week. Oh, yeah. We're 2-4. We're 3 in the Finals on them, boys. Like, we're crushing it. And then all he had to do was slide it over to him, and we would have cashed another plus 900. It's hard if people weren't, like, dialed in, dialed in, watching. They're probably like, what are you talking about? I believe it was a 4-3 game at the time. And Cole Smith got an opportunity where he just literally had to slide it over to Dorofeev for the biggest empty net goal you've ever seen. Dorofeev's not going to miss that. And he elected to shoot it. And he kind of, like, on the ice. You know, and I think Cole Smith might have set a record for hits in a play. Yeah, he's been a machine. That's his role. Like, he's doing his job. And his role is not to be, like, looking off a goalie and dishing it through the crease. But he's like, oh, he's trying to ransom. Oh, he shoots it short side. It actually was a pretty good shot. Dorofeev stick cocked, and he's like, what the? He's still standing there right now. He couldn't believe it. And I was like, oh, my God. He poked a guy in the top deck's eye out. Oh, my God. That's how high his stick was waiting for that. And then was it Shea Theodore? He flipped it out. Now, that's a question where. I love the high flip. And early in that game, there was a bunch of high flips. Oh, yeah. High flip creates fits. I love. I think the high flip. I actually, last episode, I didn't even mention. We were talking about how good it is. It's hard. Okay. So why it's hard is. I whiffed on it all the time. Okay. So let's explain to the normal casual why it's so hard. When you're doing it in practice, there's nobody taking runs at you. You're not worried about getting hit. There's nothing, like, on the line, actually. You're just simply practicing, like, a nice, a really soft high flip. you keep like pretty pretty light hands well sometimes in games when you got a guy breathing down your neck you kind of stiffen up or you like rush the cadence and that's when you see them like flub and not go anywhere and or sometimes you really get a hold of one with a flick of the wrist and you saw what theodore did where some guys are so good at it like pumps punts too far like some guys even on the kill like derrick morris like he would clear the puck from in his own end all the way over the glass on the far end which would be another delay a game i've seen people hit the jumbotron you're like whoa dude that one got away from you yeah that that's obviously not a penalty but that's why it's so hard to do like certain guys i mean marner can do it on his back he's unbelievable yeah like doing the high flip and making sure you have the right cadence on it to punt it and the fact that if it doesn't go anywhere the d-man on the on the blue line is just going to grab it and keep it in and then you're and then you're hemmed in um i think that if we don't mention what brayden mcnab did so i call i want to label it the eminem game the marner and mcnab okay he had two assists he now has five assists in this series he played over 34 minutes people wanted to be able to go full cage on i think he said he hadn't worn a full cage since before the whl yeah what was he 16 15 years old i think more impressive than mcnab is the doctor the guy i walking in i'm like did he i don't even did he even get hit in the face but then once you got close up you could tell and it was jagged it was almost like his nose was like falling off and he had covered up his face we never saw it i guess he's probably going to go into the exact injury when the series is over but to show up the way he did they're yelling warrior warrior at him after the game apparently when he walks in the room he's one of the three stars theodore's obviously one of the stars scoring the game winner they're hugging the other partners forever i i think it would be your old boy that you ran out of to mitchell marner so mcnab i guess no question about that he was he was getting this done i mean he said he woke up and felt good but i think well he's from sask you just have to be a little bit tapped in the brain to be able to like play through that like you you mouth breathing is a whole different element like like typically the ends you would know yeah are you a mouth breather no i'm saying like describe it playing 30 minutes where like all of a sudden like your your nasal breathing breathing's taken away from you from a game where you're used to like the way that you take in oxygen throughout a performance yeah even if you're sick and have like a stuffy nose it's brutal never mind if your nose is like i can't go in and i do it i got the sniffles yeah but if you're used to breathing out of your nose out in your mouth out your nose and then you can't do that you're playing 36 minutes and i only saw the one time it was hall's goal like the puck kind of got lost and it's from having the cage on yeah he kind of lost the puck a little bit and halls he ended up scoring that was the only blunder i saw with him he got him back though yeah he did oh my god having that mask on is a nightmare when you have to look down when you haven't worn one in so long like the fact i mean he made some great plays too absolute warrior that guy is i cannot believe i can't believe because he's a western leaguer that he played you know it's a bad injury because i saw a quote from him and he said something or somebody said i don't know what it was 20 or 30 stitches when the doctor just loses track he's just trying to get it yeah dogs like don't worry about it but i have no clue i'm stitching your nose back to your face i just does he typically start games because it's a good thing he's a good guy yeah he's a good guy yeah he's a good guy such a vet move by a coach to get the boys fired up or in the crowd like knowing that he's going to get that chara ovation like that's the last time we've seen something like that since the chara thing right and they did ours was a broken jaw so it's even i think a little above this one yeah personally the jaw yeah yeah no i'm not taking anything away he's going you can't eat well one's going strictly nasal breathing one's going strictly mouth breathing so either way right but the jaw you can't eat you're not having a shake maybe and that guy's 270 pounds like that's all that's it yeah let's start let's start in the second period first period a little bit of a snoozer it was a snooze nine shots i am completely panicked we are streaming tomorrow night's game four and with what we've seen the first three games with us now streaming i'm guessing we get a one nothing 18 to 16 shot game i'm really hoping that's not the case but we ruin everything we touch but back to this game but i gotta say like the first period i thought carolina was way better yes they were good early again and i did not like i'm a vegas guy i did not like the line changes i i didn't like how they moved stone up there i thought i thought they weren't the same team i liked how stone and hurdle they were effective and eichel can carry dorothea van barth yeah but sometimes sometimes the coaches i've noticed are doing it more as a reboot like carolina's done it a few times carolina's been in a blender the whole series yeah they have but sometimes they'll do it and then go right back to it after like two three shifts right so i don't know maybe sometimes it's just like a like a little wake-up call and then you and then you put it and or maybe it's a coaching tactic to throw off the other team a little bit like where like they're kind of like oh what's going on over there and the next thing you know they're right back to normal so hey something hey it obviously worked because second period they came out with their dicks out with the what's what's the dick pill we use now uh rugia how could i forget how could i forget in puerto rico never forget that one so what do you oh yeah okay so you brought you brought it we're gonna get another one it starts off hurdle gets another one eichel with an incredible pass now marner had the second assist on that didn't really notice it but fine fine marner started his night off and the secondary says the whitney assist as some people may call it and eichel finds hurdle i don't know if you look back at what chatfield was doing chatfield was it looked like he was covering the half wall guy on the opposite side i don't really understand and now granted they have a great pk hurdles wide open buries it then the marner show begins now the first one i felt like felt bad for sean walker like i that's the play right you see a puck going through the crease you just boom and all of a sudden you tip it is anderson supposed to get that is that a crazy comment yeah i think so but like some people may say like i don't know it went posting in it went posting i think everything everything all just bad everything marner's touch and turn into gold right now so that's just that's the perfect bounce there and then he gets the next one the next one was so sick because it was originally what was his first chance that he breakaway missed the breakaway and then he gets it back don't really know the defense by carolina there that move was sick he waits him out he goes to the backhand this time the four he tried going on the forehand on the breakaway was it mcnab staying aggressive inside the blue line that kept it alive he made the pass over i think somebody missed a high flip like you just talked about yeah they did okay they fumbled the high flip and mcnab was all over it sniffing it and he's coming down right down the middle made a great play over to marner and then we see i don't even see him take a slap shot in toronto but he's busting down the wing bro he's taking more bossy coming out of the wing posting it and i'm like this is the most incredible thing i've ever the hardest slap shot goal of all the playoffs apparently as far as miles per hour no you must have read something wrong somebody's trolling you that was the hardest shot goal of the playoffs like the jarvis one-timer even wasn't harder i think he's i think you read this on the like some ridiculous no i think i spuddy that all these crazy stats are coming out but somebody also tweeted that he's kind of got that classic 80s clapper where it's just like it's it's a it's like a very like slow cadence but fuck that he gets some pretty good wood on that thing and it's almost like a twisted wrister because of how like how the cadence is going i love the word cadence cadence is in the vocab today that's gonna be that's gonna be that hit anderson's pad that was walker okay block either way he got a piece of it and it's like oh buddy we need a save right here but after that i was like this guy well that locked up the cons my the most goals he ever had in one playoff with toronto was three he had three and six god damn but it's now in the second period of a cup final again and i'm like what are we how is this happening so between a player yeah between 2019 and 2025 he had 10 total playoff goals with the toronto maple leafs and he's got the same amount in this playoff review and he now has the most points for a vegas goal night player ever ever in one playoff ever so yeah he's locked up the cons might if they win only only minus 200 if you want to go on draft games so yeah i think he gets it win or lose i don't know no anderson's done i would say i would say he's done more individually than any other carolina player so i don't like disagree with your take i believe it was before the colorado series he was what 12 to 1 or was that even like a couple games into that series before this series i thought it was like plus 200 right around before the colorado series began he was 12 to 1 to win the cons might and then vegas was still pretty good odds to to end up winning the stanley cup but i think everybody agrees here that he has that thing locked up and they are winning it there's no way they don't win that series now after winning game three it's over buddy i think this has been over since the start like i'm shocked that it's transpired the way that it has that particular loss here's the only way that carolina wins this series if rod the bod has the balls to start bussy in game four i do not think he's going to do it i think that anderson has earned that start in game four my biggest gripe is and i know he's going through a lot is when there's these breakdowns that they are going to have that's inevitable that it's going to happen against vegas and they're going to win those one-on-one battles most of the time when they're getting the grade a it's finding its way in where bussy the way that he skates and he moves he's able to take those quick one-on-ones and like in like short breakaways and even if they get a second crack he battles he's not like already on his stomach where sometimes i find when they're when they're getting the second crack and anderson is in that he's kind of already swimming a little bit and it's a like i think we can all agree up until this point like it was a lot of one and dones and he wasn't tested that much i mean some of these games he was getting 12 15 shots not to say to stay awake and be alert and when you do get that one chance he ends up making the stop i just think vegas is a different beast bussy's been resting i know maybe he fell off in the second part of the season but what i saw in the first half and what i saw getting thrown in cold in that third period which mitch martyr didn't even realize they switched a goalie when he went in for his penalty shot i don't know if you read that you know you're feeling i i i think that's the only way they can come back and win this series so you think you think rod the bod is gonna go with bussy no i don't think he is i think he is i think he is i think he's crazy if he doesn't and and i i did say i used your line uh this morning on the on wake up bars so i said it it no i said um that it's the toughest decision brindamore's maybe ever had ever had in this coach because of what and blotman was going bananas he's like this is the easiest decision a coach has ever had he started the wrong guy game one of the playoffs i go blotman he he he won 12 games he lost one game he had the best numbers he's like well it was otto of philly and march on it's not right because in in this series he gave up five and then he gave up three that's eight then he gave up four and that's 12 and three games that's actually 12 and less than three games he didn't play the third period of game three and with how bussy looked are you saying it's tough because anderson's got him there i i think i think it's tough for a lot of reasons he's been there a while he's the more veteran goalie and if you do make that call and it's the wrong call it's like one thousand percent series over no you're you go back to him at home yeah then you got freddie at home that's fine but i'm going to give you a prime example what type of like what type of playoff runs has carter hart been on in his career i don't believe ever right so he comes back from injury and in that utah series he had a couple tough outings you were calling for his job i wasn't calling for his job i was just saying i can't believe hill hasn't gone in yeah i i the reason that the reason i'm saying that is okay boys he won a cup for him buddy we're talking about a rookie goaltender who went on a hot streak at the start of the year compared to a guy who went on a full playoff run and won a stanley cup with the golden knights and i watched you with my own eyes even against florida like he was making big saves he helped them win a stanley cup he made the saves that he needed to so when you have a goalie who's never been on a playoff run he just got back from injury and he's struggling against a utah team where i don't know if he's going to be able to play a full playoff run if he's going to be able to play a full playoff run he's going to be able to play a full playoff run he's going to be able to play a full playoff run he said you're my guy you're my guy you're my guy and maybe in order for freddie anderson to to steal one he just needs rod to say you're my guy you're going in game four i got the whole world in my ear saying i should start busty based on what we saw in the third period he's fresh and and maybe those one-on-ones and those breakaways he can stop but you're my fucking god okay you gotta start him if they start him if they start him you're my fucking god buddy listen listen i know you like aiden hill i know you like aiden hill this aiden hill gets him going listen he loves it i know i know i know they're playing florida at six healthy players but yes he won the cup if anderson starts and vegas goes up one nothing and the goal is sketchy see ya that's how it has to be that's how it has to be and that's why i think you start bossy i think if you're going in with that mentality that is a loser mentality what do you mean dude you're starting a kid who broke an nhl record for a start of a career and was he 23 and one you love bussy he was playing dice at a 7-eleven and they got the call actually larry in vegas he two shutout periods the third period the first he was unbelievable yeah the goal is it's got to go with him and then if it's perfect you're gonna lose anyway like you said vegas is winning but you have a chance then when you go home be like all right freddie back to you you're at home what if you lose this game then what do you do at home what if freddie's then then you're really screwed up because freddie's good at home yeah that's why you have but he wasn't in in game one well not this series but i think we should if bussy wins i think well then i think we should flip a coin right now to see who starts all right all right what are the chances anyone has a coin in 2026 i know seriously nobody memes okay so uh memes they can get a toonie names are still in pearson i had a toonie but i bought 20 timbits with my fucking fake i got a question so torts torts takes a lot of heat game two um for the challenge okay i thought he was gonna challenge the the the second non-goal he could yeah but i he i i think he realized like i can't get another one wrong but if they've lost this game he would have taken 10 times the heat that he took in game no time i don't believe he didn't call time out i couldn't understand it but you get two in whatever 30 seconds yeah time out time out yeah but no he doesn't take it they give up another one but you got to keep that time out if you're gonna have to challenge something i don't think you're worrying about a challenge i think you're too deep in the game challenge is not even i mean the challenges haven't worked for him let's why are we saving that we just gave up two in 30 seconds and then he doesn't even take one after the third i think at that point he should have put in going over should have put in hill i love you guys give me where what side you lie on that one with the hill one he's like vegas and five since vegas and five april um the the the thing that's crazy about tuesday you're at home so if you call the time out it's quiet yeah so you're it's just like you can actually have a conversation you're not like screaming at your players over the crowd noise so i agree with you crazy that he didn't call the time out i thought he was gonna have a fucking aneurysm when theodore put that one over the glass and how about all of a sudden carolina's power play is just snapping it around like fucking edmonton oilers how about the keep in by ajo when somebody swatted with his hand keep it in then they score i was on my legs were burning watching dowden sissons out there like those they could they they started it they lost the draw they couldn't get off you can just see him straight like around his brain shut off he put somebody through the crease you put somebody through the goalie i i uh tweeted out like i i don't think two teams have ever deserved two days off yeah it's a good tweet the second overtime guys are just gassed out there they couldn't really get much going and then i did feel brutal i felt bad for martin and i felt bad for bussy like martin nothing either one of them could do maybe bussy's a little out too out a little too far but martin are you just like handcuffed him he's like all of a sudden it's by his stick it's by his feet it's in the back of that he's like oh my god he's like oh my god he's you knew it'd be a shitty goal they're always a shitty goal as games go deep like that but heart made a save on jankowski in the first overtime was three minutes in it was kind of it was a little two on oh in front and he kicked out the right pad that was an unreal save bussy had some good ones hell hell would have made that look routine but it was so really nice save uh he also made one on on hall hall shot one from the side it was down just just hit his bad halls he almost had the game winner for that would have been nice carolina was all over in the first like six minutes i was in the ice is tilted big time here then vegas cleaned it up did you guys see the the footage of uh the owner bill foley yeah i think mcfee there a chance and mcfee's like on something during these games buddy i told you that's pinky in the brain going at it did i fucking call that to it's going insane like motherfuckers standing up going down and then he's how he's hogging bill foley after bill foley's like oh yeah he was like can you freeze me again but the one clip of where it's like i think it's like 40 seconds but at one point he stands up he says fuck about eight times oh yeah he's i don't know who he's screaming at if he was miked up oh i don't even know if they could field an ahl team because nobody would want to play there about what what he's probably motherfucking his own plan wouldn't even want to go there larkin would be like yeah take him off my list yeah we'll get into that i yeah i think he's the type of guy that probably like after a game he's like yeah i need to like de-stress here because i've been motherfucking every guy but that and then after the game he's like good game boys good game like whoa whoa whoa yeah yeah yeah i know he mccrimmon's a little bit more like chill he's more of the the brains of the operation he was building a lego set and double over time they didn't show that i got a special clip sent to me it was a naval ship he was like you know fucking little he had like one of those lasers that burns holes so you can add something special to the lego set for sure for sure but um yeah just a wild series the highest scoring series in the cup final through three games in 45 years wow and it's just been it's been crazy i'm very worried about game four shout out jordan stall too like scoring every game now yeah it's like 37 was sick unbelievably he's so good three there the face offs he's unreal on the draw it's like and it's just a possession and i saw it like i'm telling you these seven game series why i like the big d on that goal stall wins it back you see rasmus he wanted no part of going to deal with jordan stall stall stick wide open tips it in if that's a big d if that's mcnabb he's right over there on him, engage with him, lifting the stick. Yeah, Mertz put on Anderson a little bit. I don't think he knows it's a Stanley Cup final sometimes. But maybe that's a good, maybe that's him. You know, sometimes they're like, some guys are just, they never get too high. I mean, imagine if he was like McPhee. Imagine McPhee in this game. He'd have a 30-game suspension. Oh, yeah. No, he'd be squeezing somebody's nuts at the bottom of the pile. You guys mentioned Jordan Stahl there. Pretty cool fact. He joined Brad Marchand as the second player, age 37 or older, to score in the first three games of Stanley Cup final. Yeah, Marchand buried the Oilers last year. Now, I'm wondering, like, Anderson, he maybe hasn't looked great. McNabb's back. If he was out, that was a big problem. Hannafin left the game. And I don't know how long he was gone for, but at the same time, Carrier's out. And also, Chatfield was a little banged up. That was one of the points. It feels like, you said the two days off. It feels like a lot of guys were going down the tunnel. And although both teams got good rest after not playing many games in the third quarter. The third round, the wear and tear is really starting to show. And that's another reason why I favor Vegas big time. Did Chatfield get hurt when they opened the door on him? A little bit, but he got more hurt on just like, it looked like just like a casual hit. I think it was like maybe like midway through the first period. And then he ended up going down the tunnel, but once again came back. So it just seemed like three or four guys went down the tunnel. I was impressed Hall stayed in the game. I thought he collapsed. He's got his lung collapsed by McNabb. Yeah. So what I love about Halsey is I always thought that Halsey was like a, like true, true, honest player where I feel like he's flirted the line perfectly. These playoffs where he threw that hit on Sanderson. I think he got Sanheim in the, in the second round. And he got Montreal. He got Hudson three defensemen on each. He's kind of, he's kind of got the Bennett move going. He's got the Bennett. He's got the big trip said he was back for them. Yeah, he did. He did. He said, when they went crazy on him, it was Hannafin. It was, he bumped. So the puck was frozen. It went to Carter Hart and Hannafin was kind of like going back in case he didn't freeze it. And then Hall, Halsey just gave him that perfect bump. And then he crashes into, to Carter Hart and Carter Hart, like keels over. Like what if, you know, what if he fucking hurts his neck or tweaks his knee or something like that? Bizz was so excited. He was gone for fuck's sake, you fucking assholes. I stayed down. You fucking assholes. Bizz called to get him out. Hey, I kind of left. I kind of liked how there was a concussion spot. Hey, this isn't calling a bomb threat, but I'm the spotter threat. I kind of liked how there was no call because there could have technically been one on Hall for the hit. But Anderson jumped three feet in the air. Oh yeah, to get Stahl. No, it was to get Hall. He jumped on Stahl's back, not even Halsey's. Wrong guy. Wrong guy. Oh, he couldn't get to Stahl and Hall and he got to Stahl. He's like, fuck it. Gunner Stahl. Fuck it. I see an A and an L. I see an A and an L and an L. Good enough. Good enough. What round is this? Stahl is just one L, isn't it? At the mall with a ball. S-T-A-A-L. Yeah, sorry, Bizz. No. One L. Yeah, it's just one. Two A's, one L. What's your word? Hell's got two. Cadence. Cadence of the L's. Hey, hell's got two. Now we're back. We're back, baby. We're live. Stanley Cup Finals. What else from this game? What the hell else? The minutes played. Very impressive by some of these guys. 36 minutes for McNabb. Have we talked about Marner yet? We've mentioned this. I think we should go back to it. We've mentioned what we witnessed. Did you guys think the Ajo-Marner's breakaway was so unnecessary? Like, I feel like you could have caught him and just picked him. Oh, you know what we should talk about is the greasy cross-check from Walker to break Marner's hat-trick stick. Yeah. That'll actually look cooler in the Hall of Fame. I broke him. No. He was choked about that stick being broke. He was like, dude, we don't pay for it. We don't pay for them. Yeah. No, I think he was mad because it was his hat-trick stick. Oh. I think I've told that story before in the AHL when you had to use CCM, but Chicago Wolves, you could buy your own and use Easton if you want. And the guy, Devereaux, used to buy his own Easton to use them. But one of his ended up in our bench. It was San Antonio. I don't know if you were still there, but Caldwell took it, looked him right in the face, snapped it. He's like, no, I paid for my sticks. Oh, no. It was like the same luck. Boys. All right. Ray Ferraro's crushing it this series. He's ready to go. How does he have the energy to come on? He's not playing in the game. Well, fuck, he's calling double OTs. Come on. I know. But, buddy, he's just ready to go. He's a professional. Hey, Chicklets fans. Feeling lucky? You should be. Meet the new Lucky One Sweet Tea from Miss Peaches, the vodka drink that's positively doing good. Made with real tea and real vodka, non-carbonated, 100 calories. And here's the scoop. Their new sweet tea is the only vodka-based sweet. Tea on the market. Simple ingredients in a smooth, full flavor that makes it taste just like the real sweet tea. Best part? Every can helps rescue dogs find their forever homes as they work to a goal of donating $1 million to dog rescues in 2026. So, if you love true sweet tea, this one's a no-brainer. Pick up a Lucky One Sweet Tea today and give back one can at a time. All right. Now, back to the show. I got one thing before we bring on Ray. And it's more Marner. How good? I just read that? Yeah. It was on. You've been on fire with those. Thanks, guys. You know what had octane from Shell was Marner's slap shot. Here's the tweet. And shout out to Blunny for sending this over. Mitch Marner completed his hat trick on a 91.44 miles per hour shot attempt. His hardest shot this season. It was the hardest shot attempt resulting in a goal by a forward this postseason. Okay, I was going to say. Third hardest among all skaters. Like, that's still pretty fucking sick. Yeah. And he never takes slap shots in the third hardest shot for a forward. Does it say what was number one? Remember? Like, Demidov's against Buffalo? That had to be up there. Yeah, it doesn't say. But more Marner glazing when we return. Okay. Radish. I think Darren Radish had it. Oh, shocker. Before we get to the actual Stanley Cup final, are we going to talk about Larkin? Well, Ray's ready. Let's talk about the cup final with Ray and we'll get to Larkin. Ray, are you here? Can you guys bring him? Ray, sorry about that. What's going on? No, I'm fine. I was impressed in listening to your ad read. Shell. Shell. Thank you. Spectacular. That had the chance. That had the chance to go off the rails about four times. Yes, yes. Believe me. Everything. Two L's in Shell. Yeah. I got ahead of myself. So, Ray, we were complimenting you and Sean. The broadcast has been incredible. Awesome for you guys. Did you ever expect we'd see anything like this? I mean, I think everyone was expecting a good series, but this has been, I can't imagine how fun it is to be between the benches for this. No, I was actually in my thought. I was worried it was going to be a bunch of 3-2 and 2-1 games. And they were going to check each other to the ground, and there wasn't going to be much happening. And, like, I couldn't, couldn't be more wrong. It's like, it's nuts the way the games have gone. Every game, somebody scores two goals, somebody gets three goals. Some, you know, what was it, game two, the Carolina was down 3-0, and they get three goals, or 2-0, and they get three goals in the third period. They get four the other night, and I just, I think they're at a point now that this is just the way it is. The way the series is, and it's awesome. It is unpredictable and fun, and it's impossible to keep track of what the hell's going on. It's what, like, in-game, you're like, I saw a highlight after the game, and they showed Hurdle's power play goal, and it was, I was just sitting having a drink after, and I was like, oh, I forgot he scored. Like, that was in the first period. It was like, it was like three days before, and it's every game like that. Ray, that's what I was going to ask. You've been doing this a long time. It's been a long time, and like, just like where the state of the game is, like, you've been between the benches. Like, how much faster is it now, and where the speed of the game is at, and obviously it's really translating as far as the ratings and people, like, falling in love with the game of hockey. I think the difference now, like, even, you know, it's been 10 years that it started to get faster and faster and faster, but now the guys that you wouldn't think could be fast are fast, and they all make it. They all make a play, and they're, so there's no, like, of course, there's the top-end guys that are just, they're just so good, but I'm watching these fourth lines play, and they're going, they go a million miles an hour. The other, the Vegas fourth line the other day had 24 hits, and so, like, Cole Smith, like, Cole Smith, a year is a lot longer than that. Cole Smith had 14 hits. Yeah. So, like, they're, everything is so fast, and I don't know how anybody can't turn this on and go, even if they don't quite understand the details, but go, man, this is awesome. How physical and fast, and now there's lots of goals, too, and I thought it was going to get a little chippier at some point. It hasn't, and now I think that's gone. It's now, like, it's just about the game now. It was just that one scrum after, like, Halsey hit Hannafin into heart, and then the retribution, like, Anderson. Anderson jumped on Stahl's back. I kind of like that, though, because I feel like sometimes in the first few rounds, like, it gets, like, too scrummy, where it's like, listen, if you want to fucking drop the gloves and go and fight, let's do it. I just don't want to, like, I don't want to stretch these games out. Let's get the pitch clock going here. I think the, I think in the first couple rounds, the, the officials would probably like to just, like, if you guys want to punch each other in the face, go ahead and let them do that for as long as they want and punch themselves out, but they, obviously, they can't. They got other, the games would last. like three and a half hours, they gotta move it along. There's none of it. There's really not much of it at all. And I guess everybody's probably scared. What if they decide to take one guy out of the scrum and it's me? Like what an ass I would feel like in the box, right? Especially if Carolina's power play is finally clicking. Yeah, Ray, biggest question going into game four is Bussey. Are they going to go with Bussey or go back with Anderson? What do you think? Okay, so I'm flipping on that and like hourly almost. And one of the reasons is because Ron pulled Anderson so he could play game four. Like in my mind, no question. He got him out of there. He's like, there's no reason for him to be in here. We're down four-nothing. What the hell is going to happen? And except they came back. And it wasn't that sometimes in those comeback things, like the replacement goalie just stands there. Like Bussey stopped Marner twice. By the way, how did Marner not? I was going to ask you if you would realize that they switched goalies and usually somebody up top gives you the heads up. He was that dialed, Ray. I think he was just that into it. You know what's crazy about that is that he already had a chance in the period. Right. Like he turned around and took like a quick little stopper and Bussey stopped it with his arm. Like at some point you would have noticed they catch the different hand. Right. Like how about on the penalty shot looking up and being like, oh, the gloves on the other side. Yeah. Yeah. That's what, that's why he fucked up. He had a move prepared for Anderson, but it was Bussey. He said he was really tired from like getting to that breakaway. So his brain wasn't working. Yeah. Okay. Do you not think you'd look up and go, man, Freddie's dicking with me here. What is he doing? So I, I think right now, like as we're right now, I think I would play Bussey. Wow. I agree. But last night I thought I would play Anderson. So why do you think that? Because I don't, I don't like, or I, I, I don't look at the last game and think, man, Anderson, let us down. Like which of the goals don't you like? If you, if you look at it. So I think the, the hurdle power play goal, that's pretty good shot. He's five feet in front of the net. The minor slap shot. He probably should have. Yeah. That's the only one maybe. Perfect. And, and I thought, yeah, I thought that too in the game. I, I think I said like, he's got to have that one. I didn't know it was 91 and it was, like, it's right off the pipe and in, but he's probably got to have that. But if you're looking, do you, do you discard what he's done? And maybe you do. And you go, you know what? Bossy's so unorthodox and he was so sharp. Maybe this is the way to go. Yeah. And the only way. They still got a day, man. They still got a day. The only worry might be that like hopping into that game with no pressure is so different than preparing all day as the starter. So that's maybe going through Rod's mind, but your job between the benches. So biz has done it. Our guy army does it a good amount. It's so cool for you because you're, you're hearing and seeing things. Nobody else gets to hear or see. Now, when they make it for two and specifically for three, you got to be saying like, how is he not called timeout? Right? Like what is their bench like at that point? Vegas, pretty calm. I said, I go, I I'm really surprised they're not using a timeout because it happened so fast. Right? It was 39 seconds and porch just let it roll. And, and, or are you talking about Carolina? No, no, no, you're right. You're bang on what you're talking about. When Vegas, all of a sudden it's like, why isn't he calling timeout? I thought four, two is when he should have done it. I, when the third one went in, I thought, Holy, like they got, they got to slow this thing down here. And I don't recall the time on the clock. Cause you might've been looking at it and going, you know what? I'm going to get a commercial time out here. And, in a minute or two, I forget when the, the timing of the goals was, but I thought he was going to call time. There's, there's no panic ever really on Vegas's bench. It's a, I would say it's a pretty calm, probably veteran bench. There's more energy. And I think part of it comes from Rod on Carolina's bench because, you know, man, he's marching a hole in the, in the bench behind the player. He's gone to dust back and gives out a workout. Hey, he's like his gum, just abusing it. But there is, um, there's very little stuff between the benches. Like no, but there's no barking or anything. And, um, which kind of surprises me a little bit, but Carolina doesn't really have that. You know, they don't, they don't have that way about them. They don't, they're not like a chirpy team or anything. I feel like, I feel like that's like the one thing that Marner's, he's emphasizing the most is like, especially in these like comeback wins or, or, you know, late game heroic type things. And he's saying like, we're just a veteran group. We don't turn on each other. We never get too high, never get too low. And, and I, I don't know if these are little nuggets along the way of maybe things were in Toronto and the fact that sometimes on the bench they would, but completely, uh, different scenarios from teams. Yeah. I, I thought like, you know, of course, Marner's getting other, you know, so much recognition as you should, but, but like in Toronto, none, none of those guys had won. And so they're all looking at each other and somebody's trying to lead and they're all trying to lead and they don't maybe know how to do it. And you go to Vegas and they've pretty much all won. And so he doesn't have to lead, even though he is right now, he doesn't have to, there is, there's just something different pretty clearly about the teams. And I would say Toronto never had as good a team as Vegas has. No. Yeah. I think maybe that's why, yeah, he didn't, he doesn't, he didn't call the timeout cause he doesn't want to put that panic in them. So maybe that was part of it, but I want to jump in Ray and ask you about the, the crowd noise on, on each arena. Are they the same? Is one louder than the other? What are you seeing outside the arena with the, with the pregame festivities, all that stuff? Carolina's like Carolina is Daphne. Yeah. And it's, and it's noise from like, it's not pumped in. It is. That place is wild from the, you know, you guys have been there, right? And you, you drive in and first of all, they're, they're doing these rentals there and outside the building. And so I assume at some point they're going to have a different way of coming into the rink. But right now I used to know the number, it's something like 2,700 of those orange traffic cones that they lay out every day. So the cars come in, it's like, it's like a county fair and you just like get into your line and you it's, and then as you're driving, you're driving in like for like acres, it's people that are tailgating like hours. We get there. I think we got to talk to the coaches like at 5:15. So three hours early and the place is packed. It's jammed and you get in and it, no, it's so loud. Vegas, they pump the noise in a little bit outside. You know, we get in early. So we're in there at 2:30 for a five o'clock game, two o'clock. It's so fricking hot. Nobody's nobody's standing outside there until later in the day. And then that plaza right outside the rink is jammed. Like it's packed and it, so this is, but out of sheer noise, Carolina is as loud as any building that I've been in. And they can give it to the officials there. That was the one thing I noticed too, if they don't like, sometimes it's like, come on guys, that wasn't a call, but like half of them are on their feet being like, call that motherfucker. And they don't, they're like, they're like a NASCAR crowd. They're, they're, they're ferocious even talked about. They went tarps off in game two, all of a sudden everyone took their shirt. Yeah. What was that about? Was that like homage to what's going on in the MLB? No, they, they threw it up on the board, you know, when they come back with tarps off and all of a sudden there's like these guys and you know, it starts off fine. And then pretty soon you're seeing some people with their shirts off that you're like, Ooh, that shouldn't be taught. Any taught ties, right? No, none, zero. No, not them. Cause you know, biz, cause you were, you would have been the guy at the end of the bench. Like, yeah. Colas are is a little bit where the backup goalie sits. Yeah. You know, guys are, guys are scanning and they're, you know, you see what's over there and it's just a bunch of fat guys and beggars can't be choosers. Yeah. But you thought it's awesome. Is there, I'm not picking or having so much fun, like in that building, it's so fun. Like it's, it's, I don't know. It's just a different feel than they said. It's full concrete too, which like radiates the noise even louder. I don't know. It's a smaller building that could be like another rumor, like the Marner slop shot. No, but I heard you say on the broadcast that even maybe even a little louder than Edmonton from when you guys were in the finals two years ago there, which is crazy because that place was wild. But we said, all right, so Vegas comes back in game one, but it was an early deficit after the Ehlers goals. After that, it does seem that Vegas is the better team, right? And Merle's has been saying Vegas in five. He thinks this thing done biz thinks it's done. Do you, do you think it's over? And would you say that bag is over? All's a better club. Like from what you've seen through three games? Um, I don't think it's over. Um, because I now here we are each game's one goal. However, we got there. They're all one goal. I think if you went down the lineup and you had to pick this player from Vegas or this player from Carolina, eventually you'd have more players from Vegas. Like I think they're, I think they're on paper, they're a better team. There is Carolina as a team. man, they've They've just brought in the players that fit their system. They fit the way whatever a Carolina hurricane looks like. They fit. They don't have any outliers. I look at like Eric Robinson and Jordan Martinuk and who's the other one? Oh, Will Carrier. Like if you didn't know what those guys looked like and you switch their jerseys, could you even tell the difference? They go like a hundred miles an hour. They all have four or five hits every game. They all got 12 goals this year. Like it's crazy. And I'm like, they have the right people for them. Now, if I do think it's over, if like, I thought Svechnikov played his best game of the series, but Aho, Svechnikov, Jarvis, Ehlers again, like he scored in game one. But those guys, I thought early in the series that those four plus Stankoven and Blake, like they've got to get into the middle of the ice. If they don't, they don't score. You can't have a double overtime game that Aho and Stankoven don't have a shot. That's like the worry. Like how do those guys not get a shot on net in that game? That's crazy to me. Aho, I find gets pushed out a little bit. Yeah, he does. And he's looking always to play make. Yeah. But I think sometimes he's got to say screw it and dive right into the middle because he's going to open something up. And it hasn't happened. And it hasn't. He's got 10 points, but it's not. I think he's got four goals. Two of them at least are empty netters. Yeah. They need more. It can't be as unbelievable a final as it is. They can't think Jordan Sculls is going to score every game. No. And then he's been amazing. As far as Aho looking to delegate and make that play, I feel like Svechnikov is also looking to do that where he's kind of supposed to be the big, powerful guy on that line. And he hasn't done that. And going back to Stankhoven and Blake, like you saw in these other series where they didn't really have a hard time getting to the middle. For whatever reason, you could talk about Vegas's size, their structure, how they play, how they protect the house. You just you watch and it's like they're never getting to the inside with the puck. And that's why I think that most of us agree that Vegas is just a better team and that they're going to win this series. I think it's going to come down to that. Like, can at some point those guys become really involved? Yeah. And if I were coaching Svechnikov, I'd show him that video of the goal he scored where he was on his face and he's right in front of the net. Yeah. Because he's a monster, man. That guy is big. And I thought by far game three was his best. So maybe he's starting to come along, but he has to. They're not built to have like. Dorofeev has not been a. No. I haven't noticed him. Not at all. And. Yet it's okay. They've flipped the lines and they move Mark Stone up with Eichel. And Carolina doesn't have that luxury. When they flip the lines, they move Martinuk up with Svechnikov and Ajo. I mean, that's not the same as moving Mark Stone up there. Yeah. And so I think the margin for Carolina is way, way thinner. Ray, you played over 1,200 games and I'm sure played through a lot of injuries. That injury to McNabb, him playing through that, him playing 36 minutes last game. What do you have, two assists? Like, he's been incredible, but like, how much credit do you give for him just going out there and not being an absolute warrior? I couldn't. First of all, I couldn't believe he walked in and he looked as good as he did. Like, is this. What's his face made out of? Like, I thought is the way that you guys saw the still photo too. Oh, yeah. Like, man, like, so they put his nose back together there and, you know, which is crazy. Humpty Dumpty. Good plastic surgery bag. And he's like, yeah, 20. You know how it is. Everybody's been stitched. He's like, yeah, 25, 30 stitches. You don't even know. After a while, you're like, just get me off this table. Right? Like, it sucks. And when they introduced him, like, I thought it was really cool that the arena, like, recognized what was happening. Like that, I. The only one I can remember getting, and it was louder, but was when Zidane O'Chara broke his jaw in Boston. Game seven, right? And he freaking played. Yeah. Like, and so the place thundered when he came out. And, but what McNabb did. And so, first of all, like, the guys are probably just stoked, right? Like that he's, he's even going to try. And then halfway through warmup, it was pretty clear he was going to play. And then he plays the way he does because it's not, those aren't easy minutes, right? He's, he's still blocking shots. He's still, every time he runs into somebody, it must feel terrible. Right? Because his head had to be like, had its own. Heartbeat. And he, I thought he was awesome. He's got five points. Well, that's what's hurting him too. After all these celebrations, I see guys coming and shaking his head. I'd be like, get away from me, guys. Give me the low. Really? Oh. Well, we, we, we, oh, you have anything else? Sorry. Well, I was just going to say, like, they, Carolina scored two power play goals in game two. They were both after McNabb was out. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think if he doesn't get hurt, it's three. Yeah. He's going to be one right now. He matters, man. Three, nothing. I just, I'll quickly ask you about stone. Have you ever seen a guy who maybe like, doesn't look as good doing it, but the smartest, like just his anticipation, his ability to like, go to the net and his, his stick around the net. Like he's such like a perfect player. Nobody looks, honestly, I say this quite often about him. Nobody looks more like an unmade bed. He's a beer leaguer. It's unbelievable. An unmade bed. It's not like his kids made. It's not his knob. Like watch how he skates off the ice too. He holds his stick straight up in the air. Yeah. Why does he do it? To show off the nominations. He does it. No, I used to do that. It's because somebody told me, so you don't play the puck and your guys are aware that you're coming off the ice. I, I, it was a habit from you. Does he go knob in the air or blade in the air? I think he does it to show off the knob. I used to go blade in the air too, but I'm not saying that. But that was coaching though, biz. They, they said to you, biz, when you're out there, put your blade up in the air. You're like, biz, you have a stick. Why do you have a stick? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's for balance. It was me being like, why do I need this? Why do I even need this? Anyone want this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look what I found. Nobody gets more breakaways. You guys gave me one of these? What's that? Oh, I was just saying, nobody gets more breakaways slower than him. Like he's, he's not, he's so smart. Like he's, I think he's an unreal player because I was doing the world junior tournament when he was still in junior and the knock on him. Shocker was his skating. He was the sixth round pick in Ottawa. And they're like the word from any scout we talked to was like, yeah, he's not going to be able to score at the next level. And he's just so smart. He's so good. Um, and he comes, he comes in, you know, he's in his suit, his hair's all over the place. Um, got no hair. I think the other day, the other day, our, our audio guy, he did an interview after the second period and our audio guy, you know, has to put the headset on him. He comes back and he's like, he is so sweaty, sweatiest player ever. I'm like, of course he is. He's like an unmade bed that got pissed in. He's working twice as hard as everybody else. He's skating his groins, his back. Yeah. Actually, can I ask him one more? Yeah. I got one more too for him. How would you summarize what's going on with Marner? Like this whole, like the last, you know, 12, 14 months. Oh, all of it. Um, well, he clearly had decided. It was time to go and, you know, he said there'll be a time when he'll talk about it. Why? But, um, clearly just the all encompassing way his life was in Toronto. He just needed and wanted another start. And he isn't contractually obligated to stay in one city for his whole life. He got to be a free agent and he gets to the side. And so if he would have had, if he would have had 80 points like he did this year in Toronto. Would that have been a good year? No chance. No, right. It would have been a disappointing year. It would have been the team, the team would have been better if he was there. But, um, it, it, it was time for his change and he comes out here. He gets to, you know, hide a little bit. I'd say, you know, you get, it's an easier way out here and it's not to blame the media. It's just in Vegas, it's not all encompassing. It's not, there's 8 billion things going on here and. Then halfway through the year, he plays center because they don't have any centers. Carlson gets hurt and he does that. Well, like he, he's a great player, but this right now, this is the, these are the greatest moments of his career. Yeah. And, and now there's, I'm sure he feels every day when he goes to the rank, like there's, there's nothing that can get in his way. Like he is, he's at, he's at the peak of his game at the, his team is a great team. They're now two wins away. And I'm sure he feels like this is like, I'm, I'm right here. Like I'm, I'm right on the, on the edge here. And he's been amazing. He's had an amazing playoff. I bet you, he feels like I knew this was going to happen. Yeah. Like this. I knew I, I believe this the whole time. Like there's like valid vindication for him. Like I, I believed in myself and now it's finally, you know, coming true. Just wasn't in TO. I think we talked to him after it was maybe after the Anaheim series. or after the game in which he had the between the legs goal. was because it was the that was the closeout game that was the first goal of the game where he went between the legs and i said if you feel like like almost like a weight's been lifted from your shoulder because it's the farthest he's ever advanced in playoffs getting past the second round and his fingerprints were really all over the first two series i think at that point he had four primary shorthanded assists and really i felt game three of the utah series he came alive so for him i think it's just more of the situation where he's playing with the house's money he's on a team where he doesn't have to be the main focus and and really drive so much of the traffic and if he does have a night off there's three other four other guys uh elevating their play in order to help get the win so other players in toronto too the focus wasn't always on no no no i get that but i'm saying like for there to it was a very narrow focus very narrow focus right because it was this core four core four core four but but it's it's good i'm sure it's like so fun for him to be able to go to the rink and with that you started the core form i never started the core four that wasn't aware of that i never started that it was in a magazine when they were all young coming up i think it was the hockey news they had how many it's not will they win a cup it's how many exactly thank you thank you yeah you wrote it hey chicklets fans we're gonna take a quick break for a message from one of our partners on game day get sub stacked high at jersey mike's like the number 13 original italian loaded with meats cheese and toppings or the number 56 big kahuna cheesesteak with grilled steak peppers onions and mushrooms topped with jalapenos and melty cheese get your sub fix on game day and order in store or the jersey mike's app all right now back to the show stepping away from the stanley cup final it's quite evident that the players are running the show now more than ever more than ever especially from when you played dylan larkin requests the trade and then it comes out today it's minnesota florida or vegas as a guy who played as long as you did when you did it's got to be bizarre to see how it's working now and i think this is just the beginning quinn hughes did it marner sort of did it not really though and now it's like hey i want to go to the best team and i want to go in a note state area besides minnesota but what are you thinking about all this um completely um 180 degrees by what we would have ever thought or done or like you never asked to be traded because that you know of course they'd say back then because there was so little interaction i tried and there's no one to trade you to yeah like they they would they would tell guys seriously that these are the ones yeah nobody wants you we tried trust me and like but these guys are the are the best players on their team and so it's different right like they're to have like the the genies out of the bottle like this is this is the way it is and the way it's going to be and now you can see why players are fighting for the game and they're fighting for no trades um and why the teams i think should start pushing back yeah like i think it's crazy that there are players that they're not even in the best five players on their team exactly full no moves like that or 25 no like that's crazy to me um this goes back i think a year ago when larkin said you know i was we were disappointed at the deadline and like now i'll not that it became a problem with with eiserman but it's in your own head now you've already started the seeds of something growing in your own head man if we don't make it next year how many years can i stay i'm 30 years old right you know like you get to this point and you know i mean that's a that's a pretty short list there's also the there's that's also the possibility that eiserman might go yeah you know what there's nobody there like he's not giving dylan larkin away no and so if i look what happens from a player's standpoint do you not go to camp do you like what's what's the what does he do can you call the bluff that's yeah you're you're stuck now right like you're but if you sit that do you think the gm is going to try and move it along or if he's going to let you starve there for a couple of months but it's but like it hurts him too so it's sure it's like who blinks it's so weird but but it will also depend it'll also depend what if he can't get like we start seeing these names thrown around you know minnesota's gonna be it's gonna be stratton allen you're off and i don't know whoever else is in that deal what if eiserman's like yeah i don't want those guys i want this guy yeah right like what if they can't get the deal done i don't know florida's system well enough but who would they possibly put in that deal like in my mind right away the first guy is is anton lundell has has to be in it because you got to have some centerman going back but i don't know do they have any young prospects because they've they've traded for the now all the time right and then by trading lundell it's like no no we want to add him and still have lundell to try to win next year so it's they have the ninth overall pick but then eiserman's like i don't need another pick right he's been building for 10 years the only way that ninth pick works for in my mind the only way that ninth pick works for uh eiserman is if he gets it and he's already got a trade right for somebody for that ninth pick like you know that pick just kind of drives through detroit but it is a that was a stunning thing to read the other day because i mean his whole career right he's he's detroit detroit detroit and now now they got to figure something else out but that's what i look at it more is like the marnus situation where he grew up there he's that's been he's only been in michigan his whole life pretty much and he might be seeing outside right is that we don't know about where you know well you know how good vet uh detroit was for so long and then haven't made the playoffs there for a while so maybe he's just sick and tired and needs a refresh and maybe there was a better way to go about it i don't know than demanding a trade and then giving three yeah so the one i guess the one question i have to you is like are you worried about it turning in too much like the nba and this is no slight on larkin i love larkin's game i actually hope i hope he ends up in minnesota because i think they need him the most but like where do you lie on like what type of player deserves to be like i want to get traded like do you feel like larkin has delivered enough himself to be able to ask for that out of detroit like you you get what i'm saying right yeah yeah i but i don't think there's i don't i don't think there's well maybe there is a baseline but there's going to be guys that might think oh yeah i'm going to go ask to be traded and the manager's going to go beat it like no i'll trade you when i trade you but i i i can't just give players away right like you just there i i would assume there's more discussions that happen around this stuff than we would know like where the agent and the manager are talking and so maybe they were getting nowhere in detroit and finally larkin said okay i need to take it to the next wow okay like how would it how would it not be like no he would have gone to eiserman first and if they didn't really your buddy dreg said like this has been longer than people realize this has been going on a little bit now do you think it's it's beyond the the the reason or do you think it's possible that all the gms could kind of get together and be like we none of us can give out no moves like that's the only way if everyone refuses them but then there's the one guy says i need to sign this player and i ain't getting them without one you know what i mean you just you just talked yourself into the answer because they're they can all say oh i'm gonna be really tough on my when i hand out these no moves and then there's gonna be some guy that's gonna show up and he's gonna be like yeah he leaves the group chat the problem is though the problem is with the hard cap situation like let's take perenco for example some people might be like how did he get a no move but him and his agent would say well we took a half a million dollars less a year to get that security and he's my olympian no i i get that but i'm using a recent example when he kiboshed the trade to buffalo right like you're thinking about where do guys lie and where should they get them well he might be on the cusp let's use a different guy for example but my my thought is the only way they could do it is if they go like cba style and they say each team only gets four of them to begin with so then at least you can go back to the agent and say i'm i'm handcuffed we've already given ours away well then that's five years away right is that is because they just did the cba no right right right yeah but but here's you know the the money trade for uh uh the no trade is the whole deal right like that's that's the given given take of the so the managers are like oh great i got another 500 grand or whatever but what about now since the couch going up maybe that 500 grand the the owners are or the managers aren't right it's tied to it right they're like yeah no i do have a little more space because i don't i don't know what you guys think but i don't i don't picture every you know all of a sudden we're gonna have 25 teams spending 105 million dollars like i i don't see it oh i don't think yeah i think maybe half the teams reach the top number there's not enough players to pay that extra money to right and would now be a really good time to be a slightly above average player would be being a free agent this summer could probably get 12 million bucks robinson is as uh as yans likes to call him aka robertson uh in dallas like he's he could get 13 14 million bucks do you guys uh you guys uh this and uh what you got you guys played with um uh eric brewer right no but i know who he is i Okay, so one of the most sarcastic things mystically funny, quiet people around. So every time some average guy or average-ish guy signs for $4 million, like clockwork, I get a text at about 7 a.m. from, from Brew. And he, it's the same thing. Oh, Razor, how many sheets would you have made if, if you were playing today? He says the same thing all the time. And I, cause I, I had to look it up and I'm like, Brew, you made $5 million. He's like, yep. Turn left off the glass. Safe play, baby. That is unbelievable. Um, I was going to do one last thing is, uh, considering the hardest decision as a coach is to pick which goal he's going to start. We're going to, we're going to flip a coin. That's how I would do it in the coach's room. That's a, that's a pros coach right there. So I would, you can see why that would, that, why that would work. Imagine Brendamore said post game. Yeah. I flipped the coin. It was no, Ben flipped it. Oh yeah. Sorry. Ben's flipped it. No, we're doing it right now. For who's going to start. So, so should tails be bussy head should be Anderson. Yeah. Okay. Well Yans is an unbelievable flipper. So here it is. Wow. There's not many people that think this stuff through so deeply. Like I'm sure Ron's going to go, Oh my God, they did flip. It was, that would go over. Well, that'd be like the torts non-top. I'm out and goalie and goal challenge. They'd be like, did you see the coin flip? He's like, well, I didn't interview with chicklets once. Biz didn't sleep the night before. Didn't say one word. That's a true story. So I gave bussy the same stuff that said he got us a shutout. All right, Ray, we appreciate it. Keep crushing. Thank you, man. Did you, uh, you didn't get the white shoe memo? No. So I'm going the, uh, the brighter noble as to kind of pop off our sponsorship and I wanted to really stick out. You know what I'm saying? You know, hang on. I, yeah, you did. I don't know what's happening. My wife just called and I don't know why my phone, am I like keeping on anymore? She's like, I saw the coin flip. I can't believe it. She went the other way. She picked Anderson. I'm sure she did. Cause she flipped it two out of three times. So I think I actually trained with brew in Landon at Fort Fortius. Was he not Landon? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Landon would have had those little chicken calf of Mary. What's Landon? What's Landon doing now? He's doing television for the Canucks. Right. He's doing some TV stuff and, uh, learning about it and he loves it. And, uh, you know, figuring out that it's a little different than it looks sometimes. And, uh, yeah, I'm really happy for him. He's got a two-year-old. He's chasing that little, little guy around. He's awesome. And yeah, he's doing good. Grandpa. That's awesome. We appreciate it, buddy. By the way, have, uh, Dave Jackson and Messier made up? Yeah. For which time? Oh, that was after, that was after the game two, one, and they were going at it. I'm like, I don't want, but Matt, he wasn't with mess. I don't know if he would have been as ESPN flew him in. And then PK took them on a little, uh, shopping trip, both of them and cheered it all up and brought the boys out for dinner. Okay. By the way, do you guys have, uh, you guys don't buy at the same place PK is buying, right? No, I kind of think it's funny at this point where every time you get a different outfit now, it's kind of, and like people make fun of it. I sent him a text because I'm downstairs and I, with that, uh, that little, that jacket he had on. And I said, I'll be up in a minute to swab the decks. I'm like, what are you wearing there? I thought it was a homage to MJ. That's what he was doing. Yeah. I don't know if you want a homage to him after the documentary I just watched about him, but I already seen that one in fairness. Yeah. It's an interesting look and he, I guess he pulls it off. I mean, if I wore that stuff, I'd get, we got no chance. We got no chance. You should actually let him dress you. This goes to game seven. Could you imagine? They dress me. I'd look, I'd be like, are you off to the course? Are you off to the course in Vegas? You got the orange monk played yesterday. Okay. We should get the monk outfit on him. This won't talk golf. He just won't talk. And we're trying to talk golf right now. Thank you. I have seen bits. Your swings really coming along. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then get in the cart and don't get lost. Take two weeks off. And then quit. That was one of the lines. Somebody said to him, well, what do you mean? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. The only time I play really is when we do the sandbaggers. You can't tell. So yeah. So it's like when I show up, I usually just get a lesson from a stranger on the, on the, on the driving range and whatever he told me, I just do that round and we're off to the next. I think that's a good strategy, man. Solid. All right, Ray. Keep crushing it. We appreciate it. Thanks guys. Great to talk to you. Have a great one. Ray for our everyone. I got to take a quick hose. 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You're saving a dog's life. light try the new cans today head to our store locator on stella blue coffee.com and sign up to redeem a buy one get one free offer all right now back to the show i'm gonna take a sip right now we got ra for an in-person ras world i saw him come in he bundled in like the the hawaiian punch guy in the middle of the ferraro interview i just took a sip of that incredible body armor flash ib so we talked about larkin kind of crazy i mean hey steve trade me and i want to go to one of these three teams all stanley cup favorites next year we'll see if that happens i think minnesota is the most realistic one um the other news that kind of broke is elliot freeman reported the toronto maple is possibly looking into what the montreal canadians did hiring basically a peewee hockey coach who also is technically not yet but maybe going to be a hall of fame player joe pavelski is getting an interview i'm kind of shocked based on the fact that i think he could basically be a pro golfer like if he starts going for the senior tour which i think you're 50 so he's got about seven years so he could do that does he want to coach maybe he's taking an interview what do you think about this pretty cool yeah i think it's cool um obviously a guy that with how good he was uh obviously an unbelievable hockey mind why not right yeah merle said you heard that they brought in 20 guys i've read this morning they've interviewed 20 people um i think a good name is john gruden yeah not our john gruden the other john gruden he's the head coach of toronto marley's right now they were going to the final they just won an ot last night against our penguins and they're going to the finals how do you not look at your own guy i know because i think i don't even think they were even one of the higher seeds when the playoff started he put on a on a master class of coaching and their goaltender they got a russian goalie that's just stealing games for them too but you got to look at him too they're looking everywhere okay was he wearing a monk costume i don't i don't believe so gruden's got a lot of money though good guy he was assistant coach for the islanders maybe the bruins at one point too with pavelski do you think like obviously if he's coaching his kids whatever like how does that even come about like how do you think he calls toronto and says i know i wonder like how do they decide a joe pavelski maybe he told his agent hey i'm interested in getting into coaching and people have mentioned while he's coaching his kid it's like well i think his kid's a pretty good player i know he was picked uh ushl draft or something but it's like hey all right if i move to toronto we'll be playing amazing hockey in that area so here's my theory on that is well one he's he's not far removed so there's nothing about hockey in in today's world that joe pavelski is not aware of he he doesn't need that job right he could go do whatever he wants he's made enough money so it's not like he's going to come in with this like type of stress and he's going to be able to communicate to these guys that like they need to be communicated to he was just a former player so i i think that a guy like like that would be a perfect fit for him and he's going to be able to communicate to these like knowing all like and also some of these veteran coaches right like let's use laviolette for an example is he doing individual work with a player like we saw from martin st louis no he's probably just like going on the ice drawing up practice and he's coming in the room and he's telling you this this is what the structures are so to to get one-on-one work one-on-one work from your coach as well as from like the system standpoint to develop younger players like that's what they need especially with how young the nhl is getting so you're stepping on the ice with a young cole caulfield imagine hearing from martin st louis saying hey when i was struggling getting goals in the nhl with my size and how i played these are the areas that i went to and with playing with this guy this is where a majority where the passes were coming through so let's work on you getting it on your backhand here and then quick release there so doing all those little drills and little work with a guy like pavs and along with him coaching because fuck man the systems are the systems everybody's using the same fucking systems right it's not like the only time you ever have structure is off like a face-off for like a play then it's like game on we're playing a 1-2-2 or 2-1-2 with a demon it's all pretty simple shit so i think going to guys are just like closely removed from the game that have hockey sense and have a stature like joe pavelski i have no i don't care if he was fucking coaching mini mites i don't care well he actually he works pretty close with the wisconsin hockey team this past year like he would go into the locker room he would skate with them at practice he gave every guy on the team his phone number and said if you're ever going through a drought you give me a call and i'll talk you through it so he's still been pretty involved in the game i don't think it's about where he's coached it's just him as a player and him how long he played and how similar to stone he was never a burner either and he just scored now if i don't know austin matthews at all personally but i think if you told him hey we could have peter laviolette or any of these guys who've been around forever and coached three or four different teams or joe pavelski whose boys with joe thornton i think all he's like he's like give me yeah give me a guy who i played against who knows the league a little more in terms of like what it's like now and none of these old school coaches which i like like for instance vegas veteran group they don't need to be taught the individual skills they need towards even said that yeah a guy like that he's gonna sit back and fucking you know say what he thinks he needs to say at what time motivate the guys before the game and it's their bench right where a team like toronto even though i mean we just had ray ferraro saying like well matthews has never won nylander's never really won none of these guys have won but also to for for the young guys coming up for someone to relate to someone like teaching the game how is how is peter laviolette gonna say well in this instance when i was struggling with this this is what i did no none of these old coaches know that they just bark the same systems and they have this like demeanor about them because like i mean did laviolette ever win one yeah carolina carolina right yeah 2006 so like like to me like obviously he's a great coach i'm sure he knows all the structures and knows how to like play the lines and and he's seen every situation but he does not have hockey experience that joe pavelski has yep has there ever been a rookie coach to come in and take toronto as their first job uh had sheldon keith coached in the nhl oh that's he was ahl marley so yeah they brought him up from ohl to to marley's there like yeah nhl coach i don't know if that's that was his first gig because that's a top like that your first gig that's a top like it was ron wilson had come from san jose right and i'm not sure if that's randy carla would come from anaheim babcock detroit so i don't know imagine imagine jumbo joe as a coach pavelski would probably well he's working with i'm surprised at some point jumbo joe will be in a front like the guy's obsessed with the game is he already doing stuff with san jose yeah i think he just i thought he just went and showered with everyone yeah no well that that and he billets celebrini yeah built the locker room for his living room okay there's there's wood installs and everything we talked about this who um who is another former player like uh recently removed that you would like to see as a head coach steve ought he will be he should he should already have a job i i would hope toronto's looking ahead he did great things in springfield well he's so he they ended up beating providence who had this crazy regular season right they were first place going to play i was like the biggest upset in ahl history so did springy lose in the second round they lost to wilkes-barre in the second round okay shout out to wilkes right because they went but i talked to uh chris wagner was there this year and when coach he was raving about him yeah i believe he made him captain so that probably has something to do with it but wags like this guy's gonna be unreal in the nhl just a younger guy that's a good question though ryan getzloff keeping it yeah he seems gm-ish elliot mentioned him the other day though as a coach yeah he did he did okay what other guys have recently retired that like you could see coaching i mean i don't i don't know if he ever will he doesn't need to but like if andre kopitar was a head coach someday i'd be like kind of makes sense but he's got the gm by vibes too yeah he does well yeah the legend superstars but that i mean pavelski he doesn't have a cup but i know the major award type things aren't there but i think he'll be in the hall of fame yeah but with the golf it seems like he's a guy who likes to take matters into his own yeah like i would be more surprised pavelski would want to do that it's tough now like we grew up all the old players become the coaches general managers but now they all make so much money nobody has to work anymore i know so it's just crazy to think that he would want to put in that many hours of it is it's every morning you're there you're running the practices you're watching the video you're back for the game it's a you're on the road all the time it's a it's a lot when you have when you're staring at 100 million your bank account you really want to could could you close your eyes and picture crosby behind a bench no head coach no i could picture him up there with george mcphee just oh yeah oh he's seeing sid like emotional like that as a gm or a president he would stay stoic but he would need a sideshow bob beside but even stoic sackic we saw losing it against vegas in that game too he he gave her a couple like fucks like under his breath pipe thing and then walked off into like the dark part of the room another guy who i could see coach and recently retired derrick step on oh for sure it's a good call for sure wisconsin guy i wonder if he if if uh did get that if he would bring in because both wisconsin guys then you'd need one you need one long time coach on the stand yeah yeah you need you need a fuck it no go all rookie coaches just go boys yeah guy off the street yeah we're rebuilding in toronto anyway uh are we as a group gonna revisit the larkin stuff because like this is we're we're entering like crazy crazy times in the nhl it's just funny that like obviously the guy wants to go to a chance where he has a stanley cup but like it's crazy that that eyes you would be like you're not going there and then he has to no move okay well i'm not going anywhere and then he has to decide do i play or not like do you think do you think he can go back into that locker room if he doesn't move him and play because i don't he's not gonna sit out and i'll get paid and then it's it's it's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out and it could be one of those things where he requested one eisenman doesn't move him he does play and then all of a sudden things turn around and it's like oh wow we like repaired the marriage we went to counseling uh but then but then you guys aren't down for counseling but then it would it had it it wouldn't have been able to come out like now that it's out i don't think it's beyond repair with the fans too the fans are gonna be gotta be losing their minds that's what i said to yans on you imagine that he comes out for game one he's gonna be getting the boo birds when he gets introduced from the player intros i just yeah i when i think of the teams and who has a piece that's available and if you're looking to make a significant move i think that minnesota may be moving off of wallstead they already have no but they have a lot of goals i know but but there would obviously have to be one of those guys going out the door so don't miss because if you're if you're detroit you're like what have we missed of everything we've missed a true starting goaltender right so then obviously up till now you're saying because they could have two of them in augustine and in casa i know unproven we've we always talk about this about these prospects about these prospects like yes i i've watched augustine when when we went to penn state smaller goalie moves really well almost like a jonathan quick type right little undersized he's not built like these big what how tall is he he's got he can't be over six one right and then you have this the other one's enormous enormous so six one six one so you don't want bang on uh two else um little cadence there with my backswing uh but fuck now i lost my train of thought god damn it you're saying no prospect just get a guy you you have to know which one hey you can't miss on that right all of a sudden you you give away larkin you get wallstead he's your starter now you're trading back one of those other guys and or you work out a three-way trade if you're saying all those two young guys we like the way they're marinating we think that they're both going to come up as a tandem you get wallstead maybe you flip him to somebody like fucking buffalo brofsky hasn't signed yet what like florida needs a goalie like maybe you work out a three-way and get a significant piece all of a sudden now you get you do get lundell because florida does need that right like yeah minnesota to me makes the most sense because if you look at that vegas or florida like i don't want to give up lundell who makes half as much as larkin and he's like the perfect third line center you already have your one lateral i think i think larkin's better but it's he is lateral but he's but so what is he going to play more minutes than is bennett now your third line center like it's like but you're paying bennett to be a second line center so to me minnesota makes the most sense and that's that's like that's what they need the most of any of those three teams and i think you you got to get you got to move something to get something and i think wallstead could be that piece and dylan larkin is two l's and lundell's three so you know that's why you don't do the deal either does lundell have a no trade or no move probably that's what yeah like ray was saying everyone has one so i mean that could be an issue too and i like getting the sabers involved there get one of the get get the goaltender get wallstead over to there somehow they and they could give up one of those four left-handed d that they have we're just setting up for madness by the way did we talk about the fact that it came out that the nyes to montreal only didn't go down because it was at 301 that is quote real that kent hughes gave that was all over the internet said if you're not going to win you're not going to win you're not fired you have to honor this trade yeah that was that was that's apparently what he said to tree living now i don't know if this is true this could be complete internet bullshit but i think it is true that the deal was done and it went through one minute late i i love that move for montreal so who would they it was it was zarofsky the kid who's like on level with demidov in russia so and then it was a it was another prospect but not hage apparently wasn't hage and then what was the final piece um two first round picks two first round picks now having nyes and anderson as your big horses on the wing along with Slavkovski, that's a pretty I would love that team moving forward. What was the late trade that came in this year once we got done with the extravaganza? Well, the Marchant one a couple years ago was that four. Was it that one? Imagine if that one came through at four o'clock. I know. We would have gone nuts. Yeah, because that was a tough deadline this year. We didn't get a ton of action. And once again, just continuing to go over this, summer's going to be fucking crazy. And this is the Larkin's part of it, and then there's going to be a couple others that nobody sees coming. Oh, the Kadri one was the late one this year. Kadri came in very late back to call. They just got the cup. Nope. Swept by the fucking Dark Knights themselves. Do you think Larkin telling them before, at least a month before the draft at least, at least he's given them time. I think he's told them prior. That was what I sensed. And now it's public. Wait, what if you send Larkin to Florida for the ninth overall pick and then they, Detroit, then flips the ninth overall pick to Vancouver for Elias Pettersson because Detroit wanted Elias Pettersson. There was the rumors about him wanting. I want to see him in Detroit. That's a good one. And then Vancouver can go full rebuild. You got the first overall pick and the ninth overall pick. I am not touching that contract unless Vancouver eats part of it. They would eat. They have to. If they ate four million and you're getting them as a seven million dollar player, bring them all in. Bring them all in. Now, are they going to eat four million for seven more years? Maybe they get one of the goalies too. I was just going to say, I think that. You have to sweeten it. I think that if you got Pettersson, they may not be willing to get rid of him, but they just signed Demko, which I thought was a weird deal. Now you have a goalie who always. But that was before Hughes got moved, where they're trying to make Hughes stay. Yeah, but it's still weird. He's hurt all the time. He's injury prone and it's like, well, if he's playing and he's playing well, he's kind of like elevated your team and you're not drafting as high. They got to go full time. So maybe he's a piece that goes out. Demko. A lot of things to keep an eye on in the middle of a legendary Stanley Cup. Where is the Warthog? Is he on the toilet? Where's the Warthog right now? Bring this guy in. I went in to take a piss. He's in the bathroom right now, just like hanging out in the green room, essentially. I'm claiming his hair. And I said, hey, because he's got his hair now in the back, right? He's got the skullet going. Yeah, we want to see it without the hat on. I said, you should braid it. And then he said, ah, he goes, you know, I was going to donate it, but it's got to be 10 inches to donate. He would donate that hair. Could you imagine getting it? Look at the back of that. I thought I had to get up, but we got R.A. in. I get to stick around with the rear. I know, it's a tough couch. Oh, no. Tough casting couch. You got to talk into the mic. So that's right. You're thinking about donating your hair. Could you take your hat off to show everybody what you'd be donating? Can we start traditionally first? Okay. All right. Let's go. Hello. Hello, everybody. Welcome to R.A.'s World here on Spitting Chicklets. Live from downtown Boston on Netflix. Love it. Felt like Jojo the Whale from a Bronx. They're locked in the bathroom over there, bro. You know that. Degenerate gambling. Okay. It's weird, dude. I was laid off for a while. I had nothing to cut my hair off for. No weddings. I had to go to one week. Slicked it back like Jack Nicholson 70 style. And then I was like, even my father, he's never told me to get my hair cut in my life because I've been bald for most of it. He's like, dude, what's up with that hair? I'm like, dad, I just really, I don't know. It's just kind of like I feel like I'm having fun pretending I have hair again. Well, I do. It's just basically I got the Jesse Ventura Hulk Hogan missing thing here. Can we get a full frontal for the What do we got to do to get a full frontal? I don't have to pay me a little dough. If the series goes seven games, will you go full? I mean, whatever. I mean, I'm gonna It's no big deal. I mean, I'll take it off right here. It's like, I enjoy you. But basically what I was, I did look into it and it wasn't my intention from the jump. Like, I wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna grow my hair and donate it to charity. But this is the longest my hair has ever been outside of the top here. But your hair has to be at least 10 inches. I'm like, you know who's taking that hair? My hair is very soft. And do you love doing this? You must. Oh, that's all he's doing. That's all he's doing. I actually think it's unbelievable. Look at the little mohawk. Holy shit, that's beautiful. That is fucking unreal. Is my mic working? If you had Depp and Don like, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't like, you know, go out like try to pick up ladies like this, but I don't know. I just haven't had a desire to like straight up. Yeah, it is definitely. No, it will. And I went to like trim this side and I fucked it up. So I had like even off the fuck up on that side. So I wasn't really trying to make a mullet but look out memes. That's the story of my hair right now. We got a new mullet on the podcast. I do want memes as boots though. I do love those. Oh, he's got the best. So guys, did you know Merle's you probably saw it after the second period the other night. Did you see the line for Carolina to what you got to talk about Mike? When you're turning your head, it's we were talking. We saw I saw a plus 8,000 somewhere 70. Yeah 70 to 1. They were plus 7,000 going into the third period the other night. I'm out. See you guys game notes 12 o'clock tomorrow. What's going on with the mics? All right, we're good. We're good. Okay. All right. All right. Merle's is out. We can't have five bikes. So yeah, either way, I was shocked. I couldn't believe I'd never seen a line that high and you get screwed over now. Yeah. No, I love I want to I want to be able to look at you. Yeah, plus my back was broken again. Yeah, I couldn't believe 70 to 1 going into the third and I was all my dad's and I OD'd on ice cream because like we got to take out had, you know, ice cream after the after dinner and then it was going to OT. I had to get the coffee ice cream try to wake me up. Then I was just like a fat there's no caffeine and coffee. No, yes, there is. Yeah, fuck cat coffee. I should definitely gives you a little little joy. Are you sure about that? That might be which guy? Which guy was it? Brigham's baby. Oh, it's got to go to Google. I mean, it's coffee. There is coffee. And wow. Yeah, I was I was I was being a hungry, hungry hippo the other night. So I would I'm such a dummy. So I kind of maybe maybe felt the wagon once again a little bit. I saw 70 to one. I'm like, dude, four goals, 20, 26, not crazy. They tied up, but I was so like half asleep, like watching the game. I didn't even think to sleep in that game. No, like I well, I was watching. I watched the game, but I was just not thinking to like, holy shit, dummy hedge this like we don't want to. What's overtime? I could have guaranteed myself a few grand, but I guess I was just locked in thinking on the seven grand, whatever you keep saying lately. I fell off the wagon from the from gone from a gambling standpoint. What's the longest period that you haven't gone to draft Kings and like posted a bet three days? No, no months months. Yeah, months. Yeah, good for you. Okay, that's pretty good. It is. Yeah, but it is the cup whatever. And you know, I've put all the other financial stuff is in the review mirror now. So it's like, you know, I could treat myself to $100 prop here and there. Yeah, for sure. For sure. No, this is the longest like stretch where the least amount of gambling I've done in the last probably 40 years of my life. What's your favorite future ticket that you have currently going right now? It was Brett Howard when he went down a two to one. I had him at a hundred to one the other night. But right now, I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at right now. Mine is a chalk. Obviously, after that game, right? Minus 205 Paul for 75 stag over 650 Blake 1501 illness 35 to 1 Freddie up to 50. So yeah, but these things change so quick like like like one game, you know, if I would have a hatchet today, he might go back down to one. So if next night next game rather if bossy comes in and goes on a heater, they win the next three. Could he get it? No, you know what? No, I didn't play enough. Good. I like it. I like your style because I did write it down. He's 121. But you know what? If you only play five games, even if he had like four straight shutouts, that that would probably be the only way he would be able to like steal the con smite at this point. If he came in and had three straight shutouts, they won in game six. I think you could make an argument for it. Wait, but but is it have to do more about the final the con smite or maybe the full body of work? I don't think it's it's not like I think it's like World Series MVP in baseball. I think the con smite is all four rounds. Yeah, it is the playoff. Obviously Marner's hat trick, you know that like solid in the finals, it matters a little more to the voters. It's more recent, but it's not considered part of the award is just the finals. Like if Howden finished with 16 goals and Marner didn't do what he did last game and had one assist. I think that that you could it would be a coin flip at that point. But not the case. Marner Marner. I heard you guys talking earlier. If I'm if I'm hot rod, I'm definitely starting a bussy game. 100%. I mean, look at it. Freddie say percentage is the first three games 73 885 a 750 men and bussy play great. And that was his first time playing as an NHL in that arena. And obviously Theodore knew the do the boards as good as anybody and you know, he obviously it was a bit of a rookie Eric should have been hugging the post a little bit more, but just a tough way to lose a game that went to double OT. But yeah, I would definitely come back with him next game. No doubt about it. The 25 combined goals the most of the first three games of a Stanley Cup final since 1981 while Minnesota Island is a six to three six to three seven to five way back in the day. And gee, I know you mentioned the stat early about Jordan stall, but also NHL players to score multiple Stanley Cup final goals at age 37 or older after already having scored a Stanley Cup final goal at 20 or younger Jordan stall with the pens back at 09 and obviously the Canes this year and on Ray Rashad 1956 1973. And I think Marner's hat trick is it was faster than I think that broke Maurice Rashard record. Yeah. Maurice Rashard had the fastest hat trick record. And a cup final natural Hattie. So just records being smashed. Yeah, it's good stuff. But also the game one was the sixth most watched game one since 2000. It's good news. I always like to see the ratings. I don't have games two or three come out the ratings. No, no. Yeah, but game one doing good. And now we got to give a shout out to this guy at not Dave Canales, a C-A-N-A L-E-S at 1020 on Twitter Saturday night. If the Carolina Hurricane score four goals in the third period to tie the game, I'll get a stormy tattoo please for the love of God. oh there's the picture up i mean this guy got it he already got it He wanted it. He's got another Hurricanes tattoo on his back. It's not like he went out on a limb here. Well, bro, I mean, he's still good after a loss. I mean, he didn't say they had to win the game. He said they tied. And shout out to Cleopatra Inkdown in Raleigh. Awesome job on that. And he said if they do win the cup, he'll get a Stanley Cup tattoo as well. So I'd like to give a shout out to that guy. How about the Duna Leaf shirt? He reminded me of you, Biz. He said my therapist recommended this trip for him. And then the buddy had the Marner jersey on with Marner on the front part. Some good stuff. A couple of award notes. Vassie got the Vesna. You guys obviously saw the clip. Yeah, I think he thought he was getting arrested. Yeah. He was like, I haven't seen the Vassie. Oh, yeah. The police came. And he's like, ah. And they were just giving him the Vesna. Yeah. He's like, I did it. I did it. I was thinking, I'm sorry. I killed him. But he's doing the baby. It was R.A. I was like, ah, fuck. This didn't work out. More headlines for the NHL. Yeah, they got into his car somehow. And they had the dog come out. The dog sniffed around. He's running underground. Underground Florida Gator Ring. Selling, like, exotic snakes. But, yeah, he has another Vesna right now. Vassie, two cups, two Vesnas, a con smite. Definitely build that Hall of Fame resume. McDavid won the Ted Lindsey for the fifth time. Ties Wayne. He now has 16 individual awards, trailing just Wayne with 31. Ovi with 19. And Bob Eeyore and Mario both have 17. R.A.'s a little parched here. I really thought Celebrini was going to get the Ted Lindsey. Just like. Players recognizing what he's done for that team. Obviously, McDavid could get it every year. But I really thought Celebrini was going to get it this year. Yeah. No, that's a good call. I never really thought about that. I guess I just expected McDavid to get it. So, yeah. These videos that they're doing are pretty fun. So, I got to watch this Vassie one now. I haven't seen it either. Can we pull it up or no? Oh, G texted it to me, I guess. Mercedes immediately start paying the cops. Like, my driver in Russia, when we got pulled over, he just started throwing rubles out the window at the police. He's like, da, da, da, go ahead, go ahead. I was like, holy fuck. That's how it works here? I think Gino might have tried that in America at one point. Yeah, it's good to see him get creative, though. You know, kind of like these guys. Some of them probably, you know, deep down might be coming. But it's pretty good stuff. Cole Caulfield won the Bing. Suzuki won the Selk. And they basically did the same thing, presented each other's trophy. Like I said, maybe they had an inkling it was coming. And by the way, people who are complaining about the Canadians being out at a concert, the day after the season, a pack of losers. I will say that I think if the Leafs had lost and done that, it would have been a lot louder in terms of chirping than it was for the Canadians. That's all I'll say. I don't care. The season's over. They had a great run. But like, if the Leafs had lost last year in that Florida series, and the next night we're at a concert on each other's shoulders, it would have been louder noise than had it happened. Even if they went to the conference finals? I think so. Yeah, it's just, the problem was there was no expectations from Marshalls. It was like all great. I think that you have to like, yeah, look at the situation. I think that they had an overachieving season, and anybody complaining about that is ridiculous. If the Leafs last year, let's say, yeah, like would have lost against Florida and they were doing that the next game. Ah, read the room a little bit. They got Irish Traveller two games in a row at home. That also could be like Marty St. Louis being the good coach that he is being like, "Hey boys, I want everybody to go to this." It's like a year-end party. Go celebrate, it was a great year. We're a Wolfpack. Yeah, I don't hate it. Yeah, season's over. Yeah. Bellyache about something else. Marcus Foligno won the King Clancy, goes to the player who best exemplifies leadership qualities on and off the ice, and has made a noteworthy humanitarian contribution to his community. Shout out to Marcus. We still got the Masters in the go, which is Darlene, Landis Gargan-Taves, the Jim Gregory, Billy Gee, Chris McFallon, Pat Verbeek. Of course, the Hot, Kucherov, Nate Dogg, McDavid, and the Cotton Smyth, which we got a bunch of guys down for that. Congrats to Milan Lucic, retired after 17 NHL seasons, nine here in Boston, four in Calgary, three at Edmonton, one with the Kings. Of course, he won the 2011 Cup here, back in the day, played in the 2013 Stanley Cup Finals, so best of luck in retiring. And over in the EIHL. Yeah. My first memory of Lucic. Almost killed a teammate over there. Yep. My first memory of Lucic, playing against him in the Memorial Cup, but obviously you don't know anyone, right? Oh, no. He was on Vancouver, and he looks over, he goes, "I am gonna make this game." And I was like, "You're a nightmare." I was like, "Oh, fuck." Oh, fuck. I was like, "Anyone know this guy over there?" They were like, "Don't go near him." I'm like, "Perfect." Did you guys have a tough guy that could, like, combat him? Yeah, yeah. We had some, Spence was an animal. But we had, Luc Bordon, him and Luc Bordon hit each other at center ice. One of the biggest hits I've ever seen. Two Rams? Both of them, full speed. Both of them fell backwards. It was a monster hit. Where was, where was that Mem Cup? In Moncton. Oh, you guys hosted? Yeah. Actually, I want to give a shout out, Robert Irving just passed away. Oh, that's right. Who was my owner there, too. Unbelievable guy. Treated us so well. One of the best owners in junior hockey, if not the best, so. That was the first time I saw how insane Radulov would go after a goal. Watching, I remember pulling up the internet, my host, the situate, watching that game, and he was going crazy. And you lost to Quebec, right? Yeah, lost to Quebec in the final. Radulov was on Quebec, right? Yeah, they beat us in the final. We beat them to go to the Mem Cup, but we hosted, so two teams in the Quebec went, and then they beat us in the finals. Do you want to add a, probably, well, I guess you won the Quebec League title, so it's sick. Oh, that's huge. But if you lost that one, maybe it's a better chance of beating them in the final. Hard to beat a team twice. I think, I think I would rather win my league in, in the CHL than win the Mem Cup. I don't know. Buddy, if you, if you get in there as like a host and you win the Mem Cup, I mean, that feels a little empty to me, to win your league and go through four series of best of seven, to, to, I don't know, I just feel like it has a little bit more oomph. I don't think you should. I think the whole Mem Cup set up is weird. One extra, how one extra, the whole city team gets something. Yeah, I, I think it should be three teams, like play every team twice and fucking best record and we'll go with that for, and do it that way. Yeah. Have a college team. Even as the host, though, I mean, that would be an accomplishment if you maybe didn't deserve to be there in a different year, wouldn't, you know, if you still knock off all those teams to win it, are you still not a worthy winner? You can't do the three teams because you don't know. You can't plan ahead. Like you don't know where it's going to be, like the host team is solely so that they're set up ready to go and all. I don't know if you guys like, I, on the way over, my signal was coming in and out. I don't know if you guys talked about the combine questions that were all over. Oh yeah. If you had to kill a teammate or something. Yeah. Yeah. If you, yeah. Would you kill, if you were in a desert Island and only one other dude had water, would you, would you kill him? Like, like, I mean, you could split the water bottle. Yeah. That's, that's what I was thinking. Like, I mean, and how much do you think these? It's just actually factor in. So whether they're going to draft, I think they factor for some teams a lot, like, um, the Rangers, you sent out a pack and it was like a psychological test. I mean, I, I filled out like half of it and like never sent the back, I think, cause it was too long. Uh, but, uh, no, but like, I think that they look into like how you're, you're wired, your brain's wired and they take it to consideration for sure. Yeah. Like I don't, I think that was the Habs. They were having guys toss a hockey puck into a barrel and they could back up as far as they want and see if they could throw it in. It's like, I'm like, wasn't there a brick one, something with a brick. What was that? Merrick tweeted it. Yeah. There was, there was probably like 15 to 20 of them going around also Nashville. They asked the prospects to stack golf balls, like what, which is a, you know, a possible to do, I guess, real difficult to see how long they could focus on a task before quitting. But like, I mean, what have you, your biggest golf here, if you have a stack of golf ball, it's all of each other. I tried to do that. But imagine being the guy who's like next up in the interview and then you get a hero and the kid. I was trying for nine hours and like, you're just like, cause if you, if you decide I'm not quitting this, I want Nashville to draft me, I will not quit the next guy in line at some point. You're like, I'm leaving. I guess Nashville's not picking me. The reason I like that one is because it also tests like where your nerves get when you're put in an uncomfortable situation, like all of a sudden, boom, this is being put on your, on your plate. Can you now zone in on the task? And, and I mean, imagine like keeping your hands steady when you have like nine strangers who were your draft. And then you're like, oh, I'm going to go in and I'm going to go in and I'm going to go. And then you're like, oh, I'm going to go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was like a bombing campaign back and forth, not a very fun time. She lived in Cleveland. awesome movie but it's a two for one this week there's also a documentary danny green the rise and fall of the irishman he was like a one-man gangster like an irish dude and like cleveland was all our italian gangsters so i would say watch them both you could go either or the movie is very much like the documentary true story about this absolute lunatic called danny green and uh a couple more minutes we'll do a little all right hamilton here actually what i'll go to you first if the usa was to auction off states this is from m l e i t e 33 if the u.s was to auction off states which would sell for the most in the least factor in state gdp national parks universities real estate all that stuff wow so no shot at any states um and and and we're keeping politics completely out of this yeah yeah absolutely yeah okay i think mississippi is probably like the poorest state so i don't know like you know are you are you getting rid of that state just because of that i don't know i don't know much what if they demand a trade but uh and they'll only go to florida i mean i guess mississippi i would assume politics aside california is is the is the one everyone wants it's enormous it's beautiful it's on the coast it's just got everything you need weather wise um mountains beaches i mean everything wyoming is is is based on what biz is saying wyoming the the western part of it the the eastern part of it is pretty like flat and it gets drier um i think as a state if you're talking like beauty and like preservation i would probably say colorado would be at the top of my list because like it also has like you can go to like major cities there and uh like boulder's beautiful denver is kind of like like once again downtown is taking a tough brutal denver downtown's awful uh but sunny all the time but it's yeah you get the most most days of sun i believe of any state um is that true because it's kind of like i think it's like 300 days a year yeah like calgary is the same same as well um i mean hawaii would be up there too oh yeah good call yeah i think out west like the states are so much bigger out west than they are that back east yes you know there's just so much more i think natural beauty i mean it's you know a lot of good spots around here but you know you're talking about like utah and like wyoming and martin there's just so much like wide vast open space so utah i think that just the hard part is is they're just they're just a little more different they're different they were raised differently like the like about that side of it i think the carolinas are underrated states yes very underrated underappreciated states i think the answer is california california yeah i keep how about this rank these movies one to five casino goodfellas the godfather one or two we'll call it scarface and the departed oh jesus christ doesn't matter they're all amazing yeah absolutely i'll go um godfather one i'm gonna i'm gonna go departed five i think i i loved it but i wouldn't put it up there and then probably casino three what else was up there uh goodfellas and goodfellas two uh scarface two goodfellas four wow scarface two huh yeah i love scarface five i mean i like it but not departed four godfather one casino three goodfellas two yeah that was a weird way to do like numerical order but that's how my five three one two i would say it's a weird way to do like numerical order but that's how my five three one two i would i would do uh i would do casino one and i would do uh goodfellas two three i would do godfather one and then i would do scarface and then and then the departed i agree with you guys i like the departed but the end was a little ridiculous i did enjoy the movie yeah godfather well but water two goodfellas casino departed scarface what i had uh this one let's see if hockey did exist biz what career or field would you be in you'd be on a coach just like this whacking away i think i would be like a like an architect or like a home builder i like i love architecture and and uh yeah were you into that before you had money yeah like uh i got well i was like obsessed with legos as a kid like building and that type of stuff but i've just always been drawn to like like looking at buildings and like you know whether like from like like historical ones like that's why like i like going to chicago i didn't realize that because you go to downtown chicago and you're like oh my god i'm gonna go to chicago i'm gonna go to chicago i'm gonna go to chicago and you're like wow like this infrastructure for a big city and the buildings like it doesn't look like they've had as much wear and tear and they're beautiful and like the the era in which they were built that i didn't realize that there was like a major fire there 100 years ago so for an older city it's got this newer infrastructure it's got cool buildings like that one parking garage that's circular um you know which is i don't know you guys know it's got that little like two iconic buildings by the river yeah that riverway it's god it's just it's and like even if you're driving along that highway it's just it's like you're driving along that highway it's just like you're driving along that highway which passes by the stadium along the water like looking back in towards the city it's just it's got it's got beautiful pockets i know you're a lego guy biz i loved lego and also i feel like it would be good to to like do something where i'm using my hands and and i also feel like for the most part the home building and like the integrity in a lot of the new structures is just not there i would love to i would love to get into that when i'm when i'm all said and done i think i would have thought you would have said still bouncing at the sundowner yeah i mean but he might not have any of those tats without hockey like well sundowner you'd get some tats if you're right at the end that's where he got that one through me yeah we're in for the tea yeah probably p y um yeah probably wouldn't have been good yeah i was gonna say it might be real bad like my backup plan was to go to like the military so i don't know maybe fire fireman was always my dream job uh probably wouldn't have got on that so i don't know i i'm lucky that i get i'd be pumping gas or something doing some shout out to the gas pumps witty i i don't i i'd never really thought of this i'm guessing something with sales my dad did that the the gift of gab per se in terms of like being able to sell something but i i don't know i i have no good entertaining answer for you there but i would think it's i it's just so hard to picture anything there was nothing else going on in my brain besides hockey and i don't know you guys are early focused and locked in on it where it all plays all right this one obviously specific to me and we'll finish up with this uh can you just respond with your top five simpsons characters we'll go from the golden era let's do top three okay well it's just easier yeah i was gonna break down each one but uh no particular order homer crusty bonnie the drunk ralph wiggum and groundskeeper willie those are the five best characters from the golden era the simpsons whoever asked so yeah i i'll i'll throw groundskeeper willie as one he was great you weren't getting them all the time you were getting them all the time you were getting them all the time but when you popped up you'd be like oh yeah there's an episode with him in it so him uh uh it uh crusty the clown absolutely and and sideshow bob i loved them all i loved mo i think oh yeah mo mo's good barney what's it what's the what's the the rich guys what's his name burns the burns he was unbelievable yeah he was great that guy was unbelievable and so was ned flanders oh yeah fuck maybe we need maybe top 10 list is the best what was the fat kid's name bart's buddy who was like the bully um wiggum nelson nelson was like hi i'm troy mcclure yeah phil yeah phil hotman he had some unreal characters on that so well boys good to see you guys back in my hometown once again sandbagger 10 a.m wednesday so right after game four we got a special one gruden nfl champ super bowl ring ryan mcdonough two times stanley cup champion and patty maroon three times stanley cup champion went to four in a row hey and these three and what all the calder i'm sorry yeah we've all this was about this was a battle we didn't uh this one ring is wearing this one the pink whitney gets flowing it's an awesome wednesday 10 a.m i hope everyone enjoys it ra great to see you in person biz keith fishy memes g murr let's see we'll see you guys thursday big thank you to our entire crew it's been a hell of a run i know we got a few more left here in the finals but uh we got an amazing crew and i can't wait to braid ra's hair yeah if you want to buy it let us know yeah have a great day thanks to ray ferraro as well peace a bad habit worth breaking but it's taking time and i know you don't let it's 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