Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 651: Featuring Liam Blutman & Michael Landsberg

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That commercial still haunts me. Well, the nets are small. That commercial haunts me more than your DraftKings ad because I've been seeing myself. Which DraftKings commercial? What? What DraftKings commercial? Never seen it. I know. They beat the wheels off those commercials, eh? Hey, you know what, Vince? You got your shirt off. You got a nice body in the shower. It's not the worst thing for your resume off the ice, I should say. But pinkies up. Pinkies up. And, guys, we've got a very packed episode. We've got JR coming on. We might have Blutman swing by, Michael Landsberg possibly. And, unfortunately, we do have to start off just crushing news for the hockey community. And we were filming a sandbagger, I want to say last year, with Darcy Tucker and Steve Thomas down at Panther National. We had the chance of running into Claude Lemieux. And just, like, amazing to see him. And he was kind of chirping us. And I think, Biz, you had known him a little bit. I had never met him prior. And, like, a really good person. And the way he played and how competitive he was and how fierce of a competitor he was. Like, meeting him off ice, he was just a joy to be around. And we chatted about possibly doing a sandbagger someday in a sit-down interview. And to get that news, it's crushing. And I've seen a lot of guys who played with him. Scotty Gomez. Scotty Gomez had an awesome post about him and a picture together when they won the Stanley Cup. And it's just heartbreaking. And I know Brendan a little bit. I feel just sick to my stomach for him and his entire family. And it was a really hard day in the hockey community to see something like that. And to see a legend of the game, you know, take his own life. It's truly heartbreaking stuff. And we want to talk about Claude just a little bit here and shout him out. Because we haven't been on since this news broke. Yeah. I think I just, like, met him quickly in passing before we saw him on the golf course. And, buddy, like, yeah, like, that was the first time I, like, truly met him. And it was just great to see how joyful he was. He had Hunter, who's Claudia's husband. His daughter's husband, Hunter, actually, he was starting, like, a golf channel. So Claude reached out, like, three, four weeks ago asking, hey, can we do a bagger with you guys? And then maybe you come on that. And, you know, he was on that channel and stuff like that. And obviously, he was always, he loved his kids and he would do anything for his children. And just crazy that he did the torch, like, the game prior, game three. And, man, he looked unbelievable. Like, he looked like he could still play. And he just looked so happy there. The fans were going absolutely crazy. And then to get that news, guys, like, just, oh, it's brutal. It's brutal. And then to see how it trickled down the hockey world and the fact that, like, Freddie Anderson, like, he'd become an agent and helped a lot of these guys. You know, sometimes it's not easy navigating your career. And the fact that not only was he an incredible father, but an incredible mentor to a lot of these players that were now trying to figure out their careers and where to sign and how to be happy and find placement. And Freddie Anderson, who obviously got the horrible news, ended up having to start in game, what was it, game five. And, you know, with a heavy heart, got the job done. The interview with Jackie Redman was just incredible. And I don't know how he played in the game. And just awful, guys. Just an incredible, incredible gamer. One of the best playoff performers hockey's ever seen. And then, like, just, like, you hear all these times about, like, the rivalries with the Red Wings and guys that he played against and how much, how hated he was on the ice. But also, though, how beloved he was by his teammates. Like, we've had Scotty Gomez on here. What, three, four times. And I would say the number one guy he loved talking about and telling stories about was Pepe. Because when he got to New Jersey, he took him under his wing. And he helped him. And he helped teach him the ropes. And, you know, Scotty Gomez was a very raw talent. And I think he just needed a little bit of mentorship. And he got some tough love from him, too, which he loved, like, looking back on it. He loved. He loved. And I know it's weighing heavy on those guys. Actually, Bobby Holi called me last night. About some other stuff. And then, of course, that as well. And it's just like, like I said, his teammates just adored him. And if you wanted to win, that's the guy you needed on your team. I don't know many times a guy had won a Stanley Cup and then went somewhere else, won a cup. And then that team was like, ah, what's the missing recipe and what we need to get over the hump? Ah, Claude Lemieux. And then they brought him back. And then they won again four Stanley Cups, a Conn Smythe. And I don't know how many times he won a Stanley Cup. I don't know how many players in the history of the NHL have more points in the playoffs when things mattered than Claude Lemieux. So I know we're talking a little bit about his on ice, but really it's what he was about off the ice. And that was a family man, an incredible man. And he will be surely missed. Yeah. I got to meet him early in my career. He was, I think he had retired or stopped playing. And then he was trying to get back in shape and playing. And he was living in Phoenix. I think he was like the GM of the Roadrunners team, the East Coast League team. So he would come out and skate with us during captain's practice. And he was kind of the first guy that I ever saw. Like during a captain's practice, he was going 110 miles an hour, like finishing checks. And it was very eye opening for me as a young guy. I'm like, oh, OK, this is what it takes to win. Like this guy won in junior. He has already won four Stanley Cups and he's out there giving it his all. He doesn't even know if he's going to get a job. Right. So he was one of those guys that when when the. When the puck dropped, it was game on and it didn't matter if it was on a shinny ice or in the Stanley Cup finals, a true warrior. And, you know, it's almost a compliment if you're a hockey player. If someone says, I hate playing against that guy, but I love you. You'd love to have him on your team. And there are certain guys that have played in this league and have that reputation. And he's one of them. And I think back to those rivalries, like you said, with Detroit. And then I saw a clip of Darren McCarty saying he's like, listen, I hate you. I hated this guy's guts. I did not like him one bit on the ice. And then you know what? I got to meet him and he was an absolute gentleman and a great guy and a family guy. Like you said, there's like there's just that there's just those type of breeds of players that, you know, once the game starts, there's no friends that are out there for blood. They want to win. And he did that, man. And I'm absolutely gutted in biz. We ran into his wife and his daughter in Vegas a couple of years ago for the draft. And that's where we saw him. Just kidding. were great people and peppy came over quick in an all-time nickname pepe lemieux pepe if you remember the french skunk uh same accent so just an all-time nickname but he always had his family around and he always you know they were out there for the draft but he brings his wife his wife's uh husband um or his daughter sorry and his wife's there and they're just great people to be around and and brendan also was one of those guys on the ice that you hated playing against and i'll tell you a story and he said it uh i saw him in nantucket a couple summers ago i think his wife uh has a house out there and saw him out having a couple beers and i was like hey i got a hockey camp going on here that's why i'm we're out here whatever next morning he shows up at eight in the morning he's got shorts on didn't have any sweats because he's on vacation and he learned that i'm sure from his dad just being there for other guys i didn't even have to ask him he just showed up to the ring he's like oh what time's camp i said eight o'clock he was there at 802 it's like he's there ready to go bringing the energy for the kids and i'm i'm sure he learned that from his dad just a a true true warrior of of the game and and like you said i think most importantly was a was a great father and a great grandfather and uh surely gonna be missed man it's it's horrible horrible news for the hockey world i don't know uh whit if you saw uh ken danico obviously he jumped on a few different news outlets because he he loved them like he was very very close with ken danico and um ken danico you talk to ken danico he's been there for teammates he ends uh i think ken danico dealt with some struggles off the ice um i think it might have even been in his post career and he said the first guy to reach out and offer help and and uh you know anything anything he needed was pepe and um that just kind of that's the guy he was and going back to like maybe what his reputation was on the ice um that's that's like that's so far in the rearview mirror compared to the man that he was off the ice and what he was willing to do for friends teammates and families so uh to all of his children he's got four kids to his wife and and you know all of his family members and friends like this is uh this is gut-wrenching and we we have michael landsberg coming on at the end of the show we we try not to talk uh like overbear everyone with like the mental health stuff um obviously we do mention it once in a while because we think it's extremely important um so he's like one of the people that was like ahead of it all and was okay using his initially where maybe it was like faux pas and it wasn't something that was talked about a lot um he was one of the main guys that uh that started talking about it and he's dealt with a lot of mental health struggles on his own so we just wanted him to to bring him on because you know we have we have a lot of uh we have a lot of listeners and a lot of male listeners who who deal with a lot of stuff internally and we just want to give you guys like an outlet or or um how do i say this you are somebody that might be dealing with stuff uh in order to reach out and get this type of help so you know we're not we're not professionals here we can speak to what we deal with personally when we're going through it but he is definitely a guy that to listen to and to talk to and and to give you resources if you are maybe dealing with something so uh we all got our stuff boys we know that right we all we all have stuff that we deal with and uh it's it's it's how you deal with it so um you know we we love everybody listening and and that's pretty much yeah i i think the biggest thing wits are is is just just being there for somebody or knowing that someone could be there for you right it's asking for help it's making that phone call if you're not feeling you know 100 having somebody that'll be there for you and and i'm sure peppy man like he was probably there for everybody so much maybe felt like he didn't have that one person but there's always somebody that that'll have that lend an ear for you and uh don't don't be don't be too proud to make that call for you and uh don't don't be don't be too proud to make that phone call to call somebody and you know see how they're doing or whatever it is and it's true especially as men right you you think you're you got this you can handle it you can handle whatever comes at you but man there are some things that are a little bit tougher and i think you know making that phone call or making that text message to somebody could really help i that's exactly what i was gonna say and i want to talk to michael landsberg about that later in terms of it's it's cutting your pain in half right and it's having somebody to take away grief and struggles and pain and lean on and that's that's the biggest thing is and i think within the nhl and all pro sports leagues it kind of makes me think of like reaching out to old teammates and just occasionally calling guys hey how you doing like biz you've done that with me a lot how you doing we're talking all the time but hey how's everything going and i always appreciate it i think everyone does and yeah i remember seeing like a clip a while ago dana white like he's like you know anyone who anyone talking about your your your struggles or your mental health or whatever mental health is bullshit i don't remember exactly what he said it's like fuck off dude at this point i could not agree more that a lot of people are going through a lot more than you think or know and to reach out and to be there for someone is a big deal and to see that within our community from a legend it's just like biz said it's gut-wrenching you just stops you in your tracks and you're i couldn't believe it i couldn't believe it so um we'll talk more about that later um but within the game it it is it is a happy time within the nhl as the cup finals approach every year it's special and i think within this matchup boys like i i i am 50 50 torn like i i see carolina as the betting favorite kind of don't understand that but also see them easily being able to win this series so it's it's i i really am having a i'm picking carolina because i don't want vegas to win even though i love hannifin i love eichel and the fact that one of the things that i've seen is that they've been able to win this series and those two are slave and are going to have a gold medal in a stanley cup it's just an amazing storyline kind of going in being an american but boys it's interesting to see that both these teams have basically run through everyone and obviously vegas had a little bit not a struggle but it took them six games in the first two rounds and then they found everything a shocking sweep carolina loses one game after 11 days off both teams are getting the incredible goaltending i don't know where you want to go with this but i think it's going to be a good game and i think it's going to take it base you've been on vegas i got to give you credit you kind of called this and i know i think i was more like influence well obviously from watching but like blunny and and just like you know there's been a lot of influence there but i think that if you watch enough you're like oh wow like it's all systems go they're clicking and just to like the coaching change and how much the morale help for those guys wanting to play for one another and wanting to be around the rink uh definitely change i guess i'll start by saying like i've seen some tweets out there like oh like oh this matchup's horrible for ratings like it's like i think this is an unbelievable matchup same two incredible storylines and i think the hockey is going to be unbelievable so as far as like the non-big markets and the non-traditional market nonsense like you can fuck right off like i don't care where your team is located it's about how it's built and the culture and and what's happening on the ice and if you want to start in carolina the most shocking not shocking but the most eye-opening stat was rod the bod he has been a part of 97 of 99 playoff games in the carolina hurricanes history oh wow wow that is fuck yeah that that is a wow did i get that stat right i know it's like 96 or 97 like stopping something astonishing and he's like he's completely like rejuvenated this team in this culture when he came in uh about eight nine years ago i think it was about nine years ago and since he stepped in they haven't missed playoffs and they've obviously been on this trajectory to building something to eventually win it um as a coach as he did as a player in carolina 20 years later it could be 20 years on the nose it could be later and i got all you you see a lot of these videos of guys lifting the cup like his was like so emotional and he was it's one of the ones that he was all the time because of it was just this like pent-up emotion of all this this work that this one individual had put in and throughout his career whether it was in philadelphia or whether it was in carolina and he played i believe he played nine years in philadelphia and 10 years in carolina and he was a part of that team and he knows what it takes and what type of culture needs to be built in order to win and through years of persistence persistency uh through through adversity through getting fucking spanked in the eastern conference finals and he was a part of that team and he knows what it takes and what type of culture needs to be built they were able to go out in the last what 18 months and make additions that have got them to where they are now whether it's carrier who who won a cup with vegas um the eeler signing and also like eeler's buy-in to to sign a 50 million dollar deal and then be put on the third line and basically play there all year and be okay with that um the keandre miller turnaround like basically just give it away and then be able to do it again and then be able to do it again and then be able to do it again and then be able to do it again and then be able to do it again uh from from from new york i mean the list goes on and on and on and guys they've brought in who have helped kind of get this team to where they have i mean jordan martinuk basically embodies what this team's about got put on waivers a few years back i i know that it was for salary cap stuff but but they could have lost them they could have lost him he didn't take it as a slight he just showed up every day with his lunch pail and continued to work harder and you know i i i mean the stankhoven i mean how much I'll put my hand up I was like oh fuck that was a risky move when they move off of Natchez to get Rantanen and then in the dying minutes before the deadline considering Rantanen wasn't going to resign they can't lose him for nothing and they flip him for Stankoven and we're thinking is this guy really going to move the needle and at that time this guy was playing wing and then at the start of the year they put this guy at center ice maybe his stats don't jump off the page boys but he stays there all year and at the deadline we're thinking oh here comes a big move they're gonna they're gonna push the chips in and get that second line center and nothing and we're going really they're not gonna push their chips in and then this guy goes on to have the playoff that he's had Taylor Hall last year people probably thought oh this guy's on his back nine and okay I guess he could help them fuck buddy he might he's probably one of their top players as far as the cons might this concern so everything they've done from from Tulsky from Brindamore to these guys buying in to these older veterans who have been a while who have continued to stay at it and stay persistent and and continue to set the foundation to win uh this is a pretty special group and I'm looking forward to seeing what they could do uh now that they're going to get their toughest test as far as that group is concerned so just a credit to that organization and and the fans there boys holy fuck are they they're crazy they're diehard crazy NASCAR type fans that that's what I wanted to bring up was the fans but quickly you mentioned a lot of these guys but the whole thing is about the fans and the fans are a lot of these guys but the Hurricanes point leaders this season Halsey's one traded for by Tulsky Blake's two signed an extension by Tulsky that's absolute robbery the guy's making five million dollars the next eight years Stankoven traded by Tulsky Ehlers signed by Tulsky and then Miller Keandre Miller signed and traded by Tulsky so a masterclass but with the fans and Brindamore said this after the Easter conference final they've they've been through a lot and now when I say been through a lot it's not like lottery team lottery team losing season but they they've they've seen their team get really good and have these regular seasons and just get truck sticked when when the times got you know that when the pressure got the biggest and the series got the most important and they stuck with them and they've been loyal and now granted maybe when the teams weren't great the building wasn't great but fuck I I I can't really chirp them for that because when the teams are good this place is a madhouse kind of the attitude that they've created with the tailgates and then how loud the arena is it's like good for these people it's been a long time since they've been in the cup final they had an epic cup final 20 years ago against Edmonton they were up 3-1 all of a sudden it's 3-3 coming back home they get the win and it's funny because in Brindamore I saw a clip today um when he raises the cup it's legendary like you said and then he gives his son a hug his son has a Justin Williams shirt on who scored the empty net goal at game seven you see you know his favorite player is Brindamore wasn't even his dad I guess then but it's it's a cool story and I want to quickly there's a tweet here it was um Adam Gretz I found this and it was basically how both teams were built so he's got top five picks he's got 6-32 first round pick non-first round pick trade free agent undrafted free agent waivers or expansion draft you know those are the eight ways these guys could be on the team there's one top five pick picked by this team in the series right that's Svechnikov he was second overall okay and then you got Seth Jarvis as a first round pick after that non-first round picks Jackson Blake, Aho, Nikitian, Slavin, Trade, Hall, Stankoven, Miller, Stahl, Martinuk, Jankowski, DeLaurier then you got all these other guys that are free agents Robinson, Mike Riley, Sean Walker, Ehlers, Chatfield, Gossespierre, Carrier, Frederick Anderson so and then Brandon Bussey who played a major role throughout the year yeah he's a he's a he's on waivers so and and it's very it's even crazier with just trades on Vegas it's basically all trades and it kind of brings me to think like you talk about you need to tank and we've said it you need to tank you need to get all these high picks the way Pittsburgh did the way Chicago did it these teams have done it different and it's like shows there's so many different ways and people who don't want their team to tank they look at these teams and it's like they didn't really have to do that now granted Vegas got very lucky in an expansion draft where they just they just kind of ripped off the whole league that makes it so much easier to play against them and it's like it's like it's like it's like it's sound bad they didn't do any they didn't do anything wrong but they fucking dummied the whole league and they went in there like in Braveheart when they just pillaged the village and just took everything oh you don't want me to take this guy what are you giving me not to take him let's let's the rules in that expansion draft were new rules and obviously set up this team for success and at the time I believe that Foley had paid what 500 million for the team which is the most for any expansion franchise in the NHL now it's crazy we're at a billion the last one paid and I believe the tag if you want to bring a new team in is two billion dollars that's what it's set at right now so that just goes to show the growth of the league but I love how you mentioned everybody else with like you talk about Freddie Anderson and the stats that he's put up like this team ended up winning their division and having that the the draws they did in playoffs based on success from Bussey earlier in the year and we've had him on to talk about how you know he was in the Florida organization and Charlotte is their AHL team and he was driving to Charlotte and I believe he was in the Florida organization and he was driving to Charlotte and I believe at a gas station when he was filling up he got the call like hey we're rerouting you you're getting picked up by the hurricanes like I think he had the best start for a goalie in the history of the NHL through his first 25 30 games like 22 wins four losses and something else like that but um like they're they're d I mean you talk about saving like Chatfield to me you look at the box score and half the games he's their ice time leader and I love what Trip Tracy said about him he plays and shows up to the rink every day like like I need to prove that I I need to prove to be here so to hear that that was that was pretty cool and I mean like that Walker like he's an impressive skater like where did they pick up him him from was he in Philly you uh he was it was he in Colorado I don't know where he was but you look at their their 6d and how they move like Nikitian's probably lugging the the least amount of ice but he's this six three six four rookie and he's like I don't know where he was but he's like I don't know where he was but he's in frame where he's fucking buzzing up and down the ice so the size and mobility of his back end the way that it was built is is tremendous and and what's crazy about this is I would say the and this is not a knock because I thought that they showed up a lot better uh towards the end of the Montreal series but their their least achieving line out of the four has been I would say a host fetch and uh and Jarvis that has to change and it has to if they're going against Vegas like like I'm like the fact that they were able to do that and they're able to do that and they're able to gain that confidence and put some points up towards the end of that series against Montreal is huge huge like fetch getting that ot winner I believe it was game three in Montreal like these are confidence boosts that they're going to need but that fourth line of Robinson Jankowski and Carrier that's the type of fourth line you need if you're going to win a Stanley Cup you're seeing it the exact same thing in Vegas the third line of Jordan Stahl who do you know how long he's been there I was shocked it's it's pretty crazy and to get to go back to the cup final too is like he's 14th how long is it 12 years now for this is his 14th year with the Carolina Hurricanes he signed before uh they they put a clamp on the the uh the length of contracts he signed because he I don't I think it was partly because he wanted to go play with his brother but also I think that he it felt like at the time maybe he wanted a little bit of a a six million a year and then now he's making like three million bucks as one of the top third line center in the league and the fact that he gets to play with with Martinook which we've talked about him and then that that either signing like what a what a great third line what a great buy-in line to the fact that a guy who just signed for 50 sheets is willing to take a back seat and play third line minutes uh and then like like not enough can be said about this second line and what they've done throughout this three first rounds like that is that is the biggest double barrel like you fucking doubted me fuck you shove it up your hoop um as far as a second line especially when you in regards to staying coven playing center for the first time in his NHL career this year let me ask you this lead this team let me ask you this about stall are you putting him with with home ice the first two games are you matching him with Eichel Dorofeev and Barbashev or Carlson Howden and Marner so the this is this is going to be the most interesting thing about this is going to be the most interesting thing part of this series is is with Carolina having home ice which is massive for them is how they're going to handle the matchups and I don't I don't know how much they focused on that throughout the first three rounds they haven't have to they haven't had right they haven't had to maybe you saw it a little bit through gameplay like where they would do it for a couple shifts just to make sure but when you start line matching you start kind of in some cases getting worried about that and not distributing the ice and I think that Carolina's bread and butter is the fact that they're able to maintain that pace as we saw against Montreal like they fucking schooled them one through four and you're seeing that fourth line just like Vegas in that 11 to 12 minute range so I don't know but they're also boys like let's be real here the they're tough their best opponent I believe was Ottawa okay they ended up sweeping them that was probably the closest overall series as far as like how many scoring chances Ottawa was generating. ottawa was snake bit like how many breakaways and golden opportunities did stutzel and brady have where they didn't capitalize on so no they haven't done it to this point because they haven't had to but they're they haven't been against a team who has already won a cup with that core who you're dealing with like world-class players top to bottom like jack eichel like mitch marner like carlson uh you know theodore like so i don't know what the what the answer is but at this point if it ain't broke don't fix it maybe roll it out game one the way you've been going and then make adjustments through there but this that's going to be the toughest question keith my my thought and tell me what you think i think you put them on marner carlson and howden because they're a little smaller right so it's like maybe you can really suffocate that line okay and you can trust now can you trust stankoven against eichel that that's like the issue here and that's the biggest problem for carolina if they're to lose i i'm not no no shade at carolina they don't have an eichel or marner up front their 6d are better overall 6d i believe than vegas but in terms of star power up front eichel and marner and i haven't even said stone they're a step above any forward on carolina in my opinion well and they're and and stone is now playing third line on the wing with hurdle and then they got scissors in the middle so yep they now have four threatening lines just as much as carolina if not more personally boys i would i would go to ajo in that line if you are going to line match and i would say there's your guy this is your this is going to be your your i'll play eichel this is going to be your this is going to be your mona lisa we don't care if you score like to the rate that we we maybe expect you to but he hasn't necessarily done that all playoffs your main your main role here is can you shut down these big boys and can we just basically have that trade-off and then you go to carlson against the stankhoven line so it's and i mean look at then then you got stall against fucking the stone and and hurdle who all of a sudden has turned into he's he's turned into like the league's most the biggest power forward going when we were fucking chirping him throughout for you know the first and half the second round yeah i think for me and i was one of those guys too saying i don't want them in the finals i don't think that they're fun to watch through two series but i think they've proven that they are a fun team to watch and the way that they've all bought in like they i think this series is going to be amazing i think the first two series were a little bit of a dud because they're sweeps and it's like okay it's just carolina going out there and you know winning these games very kind of easily i guess um but i i think montreal gave him a especially in that game one you saw that they can play a fast game obviously they lost that game but they can play an upspeed game they can make plays if they want to but they're just such a well-rounded like they do everything the same exact way that's why i don't think they have to line match they don't have to be like okay aho every time eichel jumps over the boards you're going because all four of their lines can do it they're not like we got to hide this one line from this uh you know from the eichel line or hide this line from the marner line i think that they're all systems ago they can put they can put any four lines out there and be happy and be trusting that um that matchup so i i just think that's the way carolina is built and the way that rod is you know built this team one through four and they're d man they're d are big they're long they're yeah i think biz you said it they remind you of florida right where they're you know they're they're not overly physical right like maybe chatfield's the most physical guy back there but they're not out there killing guys every shift they're just disrupting guys disrupting guys not letting you in in the not letting you in the zone uh clean like you're telling me right now if marner eichel guys like that when they're coming through the middle and they can't come in with possession they gotta have to make dumps they're gonna have to and they make you make bad dumps too like anderson stopping it getting out of their zone like that can frustrate those big time those big the big boys right like if you're jack eichel you don't want to be dumping the puck in right you're you're an all-time player you want the puck on your stick but they force these teams to play the way that they want to play and they're not going to be able to play the way that they want to play and it's been a master class through three rounds so far but the big big question is can they do it against this team because realistically they've kind of had a cakewalk to the finals would you say uh i would say i would say that that's the worry yeah that's the thing they battle tested right like they've they've lost one game shout out to them for losing only one game in playoff so far an amazing feat but now it's the it's the big boys from the west and in vegas i think is a they've beaten they've won some uh tighter games closer series so i i think i mean everyone had colorado winning that series like the the people that know what they're talking about and they work them they absolutely work them so i think this series is going to be incredible i think there's no way it doesn't go seven watch it'll go four now but i think it's one of those ones that it's going to be an absolute ball well if this if this isn't a good series it's going to be a bummer because we're at the point now where we're going to be able to win the series and we're going to be at the point now where the conference finals for me growing up they were legendary i felt like boys it's the fucking one through eight okay so that much that's it they lost their in the east um it was sweet i think it was it was at five games this year in the east five games last year right and then this year sweep last year florida swept carolina didn't they was it a okay either way it's it's four or five games in both conferences the last few years we're not getting we're not getting what we hope so you need a good cup final and and obviously like two years ago it was in five games last year carolina beat them one game yeah was it an overtime game in four three three nothing just to stay alive but i mean the conference finals at this point and yeah so biz it's just one through eight that's what that's what needs to get the conference finals back i i think so like i'm not like listen if we've kind of gone back and forth on this and it's been a huge topic and i'm sure like gary if he listens or or any of the people at the nhl they're like would you shut the fuck up about the one through eight and listen you get some iconic first round matchups in some cases in the second round but if they want their nut and that's their march madness and that's when all the advertisers care and that's when everybody is still more focused on hockey because we're not in june then yeah i get it that's when you want the the best series being played but you just mentioned it as a result you're not getting these iconic uh conference finals anymore like when's the last time we had a conference final go to seven games that's a great question because we're gonna look it up now another uh side note here it was cool to see the list of uh conference finals winners touch or not touch the trophy and who went on to win or not win it was interesting to see that uh crosby didn't touch it the first time against detroit they lost and then all three other times they touched the conference finals trophy in one so there he's three for four when getting to the finals and all three times he touched the the trophy so did you see brindamore's quote when they yeah yeah he's like oh it's not up to me i'm not playing you know i'm not but don't touch it if you say that you can do whatever you want but don't touch it that's there's only one other thing to do there's no other option that's comedy that's not up to me i'm not playing you know i'm not playing you know i'm not playing you know i'm not if you went over the last six years wait you're correct you are correct is that the only one in 2024 florida and the rangers went six edmonton and dallas went to six edmonton i think edmonton beat him in five last year and two years 2024 edmonton and dallas went six the year before that vegas and dallas went six but then the years i mean last year so three of 12 2020 have gone to six games that's fucking brutal brutal no seven and three to six so if you want to have the one through eight argument and then as far as gameplay the deeper it goes in the playoffs there's your answer right there no what if what if his argument like the argument of the first series being amazing the first round usually is incredible yeah yeah i know but i i still think you're gonna get a pretty sick first round yeah i just want a better conference file like this that was tough this year i think typically though too like like we see it in our numbers as well like views kind of drain off as you go later into the season it's every single year we see it and it's like if if you have better series later in the in the playoffs views won't go down and the interest will stay high or is it the problem that it's like summer's arriving and then no matter what exactly and that's how you keep up with summer you got to have good series later right yeah well we talked carolina I would just say if one thing for them has to. to be better it's power play and i don't know what the percentage is for carolina right now up to this point uh you go back to i believe it was game four in montreal uh like they were dominant for 58 minutes the worst part of their game was when they had that five on three you know they looked they looked awful right so against an unbelievable penalty kill in vegas and a team that locks you down it's impossible to get to the inside and i'm sure it's going to be you know fairly low scoring because carolina can't score at ease when they're playing against good quality teams they gotta be able to figure out and capitalize on the power play at least not be given up shorthanded goals like we've seen from every other team uh over the course of this run and um so shout out carolina uh they got a lot of good things cooking right now and uh i guess we'll focus on the the the evil the dark side of the league also game one winner in the stanley cup final wins the series 77 of the time oh i was surprised that that's like and i think when the game one home team wins i think it's even higher um but in terms of vegas so this is a tweet from luke fox in less than 11 months the vegas golden knights acquired the playoffs leading scorer their stud starting goalie a top four right shot defenseman a new cup winning head coach and obviously a trip to the stanley cup final and when you look at the roster in terms of how i mentioned carolina non-first round picks but draft picks korzak dorofeev expanse and draft william wild bill carlson braden mcnabb trade marner barbyshev stone hannifin howden theodore colesmith scissons hurdle eichel dowd riley smith colasar jeremy lozon rasmus anderson aiden hill and carter hart a free agent it it's wild and you have to you have to say that being a free agent it's wild and you have to you have to say that being a free agent being in vegas okay so you're you're not um it's not a crazy media market which some guys really love it's great weather it's no state tax they are one of the cities in the league that guys are gonna forever want to play they're they're always gonna want to play there i think of tampa like that florida's like that dallas is like that vegas is like that oh there's a lot of common common theme there and you're no state tax thing has a legit thing but what do you mean it's been every fucking year i know since 2020 go look at all the other things that are going on in the all the winners and all the teams that have had like florida vegas dallas like they're not going anywhere like they're it's it's not going to change like those teams and free agency is not what it once was but if you're going to trade a guy who's still signed knowing that we're not going to trade for him unless he's going to sign here which is kind of how it works now you see marner and it was his rights it wasn't within the season but that's what's going to happen and so the way they've been able to do it i don't like them but they have great management cassidy was a great coach there now tortorella's doing a hell of a job you i hate them out of jealousy like that's kind of where they're at and i think we should bring in our guy our guy who's been on this for a long time a guy who has said we don't ever need to keep our draft picks because they give us more every single year and we'll trade those away as well bring in liam he's like officially part of the dark side i think that vegas has added him to to management look at he's in all black biz you know he's on the knows where the bodies are buried what's up lenny i don't know where the bodies are oh yeah right yeah okay okay man look at you yeah i'm i'm i'm ready to go man i don't know you're you look exactly like a guy who knows where bodies are buried i gotta be honest and i've never seen i've never seen him smile have you ever seen him smile he's all ear to ear smile he's giddy i'm giddy he's itchy he's itchy now blutman um i want to i want to preface this for people who don't know uh blutman is an actual enormous tennis guy as well before the year of the playoff before the playoffs begin he always releases a list of teams that will not win the stanley cup and if they do he can't watch wimbledon which apparently is like his favorite thing in the world one of those teams which it's amazing how it's come is the carolina hurricane so you have said for years they are not a threat that has to scare you now you got some serious problems with the carolina hurricane you have said for years they are not a threat that has to scare you now you got some serious problems with the carolina hurricane serious karma going on in your world i mean i've been right like six straight years uh you know this time it's getting dangerous but it was dangerous with edmonton the last two and i was out on top i gotta keep showing my way look i'm a big believer that we we get on the airwaves and we say a lot of things and we we say things and we never back it up with with substance takes with stakes that's all this is i'm a believer in what i say i'm gonna continue a road and just so the dark side my side is gonna be the ones that need to put an end to them so we're gonna work on that and we're gonna do it you know what i'm saying are you are you worried like are you in fear of this team do you actually still consider them as like no because to say that they can't win the stanley cup to me that says they get to the final against your team you still have to be like oh no i'm not worried i told you they can't win we're worried it's not the correct word i'm just very anxious uh i hate the way i just ever since we won game four it was like a three-minute celebration for me and i was on to game one game one game one i want to get this serious i really truly do like no i western conference champions eastern conference champions whatever it be don't touch the trophy i don't want any of that merch you know i'm i want i want stanley cup merch that's what we're playing for and that's all i've been focused on that's all i'm thinking about i woke up today what was what was liam blotman's first thought on june 1st the new month woke up at like 5 50 a day cup week no first thought was man pavel dorfay was gonna have a heck of a series i thought you're gonna say man i'm hungry here we go i gotta pee no doro's gonna have a great series and you know i look back i see the two regular season means not the way who cares but dorfay has three goals against carolina in the two games this year oh g's got plus four thousand cons might be at 14 shot attempts in two games against carolina woke up with the field i think it's gonna be a big doro series are you worried at all with like the the odds makers have carolina the favorite here do you think that or that's just because carolina's only lost one game it doesn't bother me we're big favorites uh big underdogs against colorado we've been slighted the entire postseason from an odds per second it doesn't mean anything to me too much weight on regular season hockey okay be non-biased then and tell me why vegas is in terms of gambling vegas has carolina's favorites why do they uh well vegas and carolina both those teams are pretty beloved by like models data uh the betting stuff carolina's always been at the top of that i guess that's what you get when you got a mad scientist of a gm shout out to tolski for what he's been able to build uh they they love the the shot one can we put up a picture of tolski by the way uh for those of you watching who who doesn't know what the mad scientist looks like i would say like if if mark ricci won sexiest man in in colorado this guy should win sexiest man in the carolinas yeah both the carolinas north and south both both double state i agree i agree with you on that wait to answer it i really think that why vegas loves carolina from a bank standpoint is the shot disparity and what they do defensively and just like you know they're not giving the main goal i just think that's it i'll make you a bet blunny yeah i i picked vegas in six how about i get a pinky in the brain tattoo if uh if if uh if vegas wins and you get a tolski tattoo on you not a tattoo guy what do you mean you're not a tattoo guy put your fucking balls on the steaks hey these takes with steaks fucking there's your steak right there buddy that's a filet mignon 20 ounces medium rare right in your fucking nap my mother will never talk to me oh yeah well fuck you don't love anyone doesn't matter this came so prepared this is dialed oh i'm fucking buzzing you guys are on the same team though biz you can't be going at him like but listen i know we we joke around a lot about like how cutthroat vegas is and stuff like that like let's go back to the fact that the coaching change like there's tolski right there that's the tattoo blunny's gonna have right on his neck right here i think it looks good right here that we gotta win the series yeah you gotta win it i love that pocket square can you zoom in on that pocket square he's got it it looks like the grand tetons i don't love that it kind of looks like a castle and it looks like bart simpson's hair that's like grand speaking to me it's speaking to me that's a national park right there that is you know whoa whoa zooming closer it looks it looks like like a gang band it is something oh my god dude he's i could see him ripped up he's got to be a bond villain yeah he is um but listen to to gas to gas cassidy that close to playoffs like i don't dig by the way and we just had him on i wish i would have known this information before we before we let them go but like apparently around the room it was kind of one of these things where it's like if we don't make playoffs who cares it was just a miserable miserable miserable atmosphere like they were counting down the days to the season was over and i know at the time like they were like it's still in a playoff spot but the the the jubilation the room was gone what's that saying the room was gone it was gone they were checked out they they were miserable so we talk about how sometimes coaches like they they keep tightening the vice he just he'd lost the room and for for the both mcphee and um i'm drawing uh mccrimmon to pull the trigger that close to playoffs and realize like i don't think this group is going to go anywhere with this guy as head coach and then of all things to go poach john tutorella like who would have thought in a million years that that would have but but you know with a room like that they know those guys are on autopilot they know what the fuck to do all those guys in that room you needed to bring in a guy who has gravitas is that the word that keeps getting thrown around right why are you making that face wit i was wondering if that was it i couldn't believe that tortorella i thought he knew kelly mccrimmon right i'm guessing all the years right he never even knew him he never met never knew him he was shocked when he got the text my shot i i thought was maybe mccrimmon poked around and asked about asked eichel and hannifin after the olympics about percent and was that the case i'm sure it was i don't know where the bodies are buried though it's gotta be but good for him for for recognizing that the guys were checked out and to make that move how many gms would do that like not like lou lamarillo is the one that i i can think of in the last you know 40 years that's done something like that where it's like to recognize it and to do it just means you have a pulse of your team and you you have one goal and that's to win the stanley cup and that's what they're trying to do and like how good is that as a fan bloody it's incredible as a fan i mean i i remember texting you guys throughout the season and i i looked back the date that i texted with i believe was like february 1st i said i'm losing confidence in this group and then we'd keep texting you guys and then we'd keep texting you guys and then we'd keep texting you guys and be like it is a slog it is not joyous at all to watch them and it shows in their play it was a true grind to play 60 minutes the only good thing about that january the mid-march stretch is how much they trailed from behind and how that's the one thing that really really pops in their play still is they got so much work having to grind out these games coming from behind all these like pushes i mean you gotta see what they could do from 3-0 down against colorado and these other comeback wins they've had that's the one thing i'm grateful for uh but yet like wit texted saying bloody i love that move when cassidy got fired and they bring in torts on march 28th wit knew in the time that that was that was like the thing you needed that was the jolt the flip of the switch to just get the i i'm not surprised at all that you said that they were looking forward to the end of the regular season win or lose i'm not surprised at all by that that's how it felt well they could have been like yeah if we miss he's fired like at this point like and and people may hear that and be like what the fuck but when a room's gone it's gone and then you got you got groups of guys after games having dinner and they're just like this is fucking miserable and it and it happens it happens a lot more than people think and the crazy thing is and it is a completely different team but they finished the regular season with fewer wins than 17 who missed the playoffs so it's like more losses than wins it's that's fucking wild and they have and they just swept the president's trophy team talk about a league that makes no sense and when you say i've i've argued like coaching in the nhl obviously it matters but like it doesn't in a sense and you see moments when it is everything and this was a prime example this proves that it's more about how you're able to motivate your players as opposed to the x's and o's especially when you have a group like the vegas golden knights like all these guys know how to play hockey they know the systems inside out like it go it go i mean like it goes back to how the fact that they don't care about draft picks and developing young players for the most part like bloody i mentioned last podcast if they win the cup uh calgary flames have the next three years they have their first rounder like yoink thanks for hannifin and anderson we don't give first rounders take them who gives a shit so it's uh it's it's remarkable and i mean we've already complimented each player and what they have as far as top to bottom lines one through four how their d are built would you agree that whit mentioned this do you do you think that from one to six that carolina does have the edge on the back end how do you i think it's closer than they say in bloody i think it's pretty i think it's pretty close at the they have even the top six i think top four is even carolina doesn't have the theodore they don't have that often goss despair offensively is completely fine that's that's fair but he ain't i don't think he's theodore offensively no but i know but he doesn't need to play the five on five minutes right his lights keep turning off the dark side oh my god that's where the bodies are i do love this this other tweet that randomly popped up on my timeline i do kind of dig the vegas storyline an organization that treats nobody well wins at absolutely all costs and isn't apologetic about it they're not a dirty team either they're just an evil one if they win the hockey twitter is gonna burn to the ground all very true great statement yeah bloody still blue coffee's new can lattes are here crafted with 100 colombian coffee each can is a good source of in two smooth flavors espresso cafe mocha and espresso sweet cream and whether you're braving your morning commute or chasing your pup stella blue cans are for those always on the go and for those who care stella blue is more than just great coffee it's about giving back i named the brand after my rescue dog stella who inspired our mission to help more dogs find their forever homes every purchase supports animal rescue organizations so when you drink stella blue you're not just fueling your day you're saving a dog's life try the new cans today taste the difference and make a difference all new stella blue coffee canned lattes now available at stella blue coffee.com or subscribe on amazon for 10 off what's the series gonna end in in games i know you're picking vegas but are you thinking we're thinking seven games i know business has six i have seven home ice i have seven uh carolina at home just like they did against the oilers in 06 what do you got i would love for it to end in six in vegas uh that'd be both cup wins home ice would be terrific i think it'd just be super cool to see the stanley cup read vegas florida florida vegas the best two teams in the last four years would be fucking scum of the earth yeah yep i i'm hoping vegas gets it done in six again i i'm just so excited for this thing to start and then and then we could start talking and throw all the banter out there in between days like this weighed up until opening puck drop is is brutal why is it brutal because i'm just i loved it as an oiler i'm just itching i'm chomping at the bay i'm ready to go i know but there's articles everywhere it's like all you see is stuff on your team it's the excitement i want the best thing about this series blunny is both teams going in extremely healthy that's fucking huge that watching that that florida vegas series when vegas stomped them in five games when florida was so banged up that's not fun to me so that i'm i'm so fired up about i was gonna ask you if they do have the ability to close out in six on home ice will you be going to vegas i have no idea what if i would i saw someone posted a tweet there were tickets for like a gargantuan they're not gonna fucking charge you to get in the building i'll i'll organize i will meet you in vegas if they have the opportunity to close out in six you broke a guy's fingers and then buried his body like they'll give you free tickets is that a date that would that would be incredible another another big uh big storyline is the siren the both these teams are siren i'm so happy you brought that up hey listen i just i might be vegas stole their fucking pregame thing they're the fucking evil villains did you hear who did you hear who carolina is bringing out game one who cassidy no no that would be their life they're trolls on twitter they are they're unbelieved their admin team's unreal if i am the carolina hurricanes i bring in bruce cassie to sign that fucking right i would i would i would i would put him in a seat right behind vegas's bench too this is incredible hey he's gonna have he's gonna have that evil canables costume on no where the tulsky the tulsky wig that's all the best in the league bloody what are you from a gameplay perspective is there anything that maybe concerns you like is there anything that concerns you maybe line matchups maybe kill like what home i like what is it that like concerns you or are you just that confident where you're like it's all systems go it's more about us than them i i i am confident it's all systems go i love starting this on the road i love the opportunity to go out there and take home ice in game one maybe even game two as well just want to go into raleigh though and take one of those first two uh the one concern is it's just obvious it's the man-man defense and how they absolutely suffocate you i know that we got our playmakers eichel uh marner carlson whoever it be we've got to be quick with the puck make some quick decisions and yo get out there and not they can't we can't let them suffocate us and grind it down we gotta own the neutral zone and we've owned the neutral zone three straight series there was a lot of talk about how are we going to be able to contain leo carlson there was one moment all series where i was like wow look at his speed a lot of talk about how are we going to be able to contain nathan mckinnon you think about the lake tahoe game him playing petrangelo on skates there was one time all series was like wow look at nathan's speed that's the that's the deal here i think the biggest thing for them is not getting frustrated like the big guys get because it's going to be a long series there's going to be some doldrums during the games where you can't get the puck in if those big guys cannot get frustrated and continue to play their game i think i think their forwards outmatched carolina's forwards so much better that's the key man and marner touched on it these guys they stick with it they don't turn on each other they don't start bitching whether that was a shot at at toronto and the way things went there and or cassidy and or that's just the way this team is gelled and bonded um over the last eight games of regular season i mean really all year though you mentioned they were the comeback kids right they fucking figured it out and they would it didn't matter how many goals they were down they were they would figure things out so blunny it's uh interested to hear how confident you are but i'm not shocked you're not shocked i'm not shocked it well it's like i may say too confident no i'm not too confident i'm just you know they're coming in here 12 and 1 the postseason we're coming in here 12 and 4 we have of the six series wins we have the best series win and it's like i love being the underdog i love being the evil empire i love everyone rooting against us i i you know i love being the villain look at this guy i'm the big bad the big bad boy in this situation i'm the big bad boy i'm ready to take another cup bring it back to vegas and let mitchie bring this to toronto that's the plan i should have i fucking went i i sent you that text i was gonna put that that con smith bet in for marner at 12 to 1 would you say he's the he's probably the top dog right now what the fuck are you smiling that would work it would they're not gonna give it to heart um and then all the writers just to toronto it's like it's setting up that if they win he's gonna get it what are the odds right now can you zoom in on those or just read them we have uh freddie at marner at plus 165 freddie at plus 220 taylor hall at plus 600 logan stankovin at plus 85 850 took carter hart at plus 1200 jackson blake at plus 1500 jack eichel plus 1600 i love that at the time marner was plus 1200 that was before the colorado series wow well he's putting on a fucking clinic and i just think that the way that the whole season has gone and how we like joke about the script writers and stuff i think uh i think 93 is going to be bringing a cup home to to muskoka as well as a con look at all those jerseys that's like the main reason i think vegas is gonna win just like the fact that he leaves and the first year gone he wins a cup and the con smite it's just like a storyline that you couldn't even you dreamt this you couldn't have dreamt this as someone who can't stand the leaf so buddy we appreciate it buddy um i'm sure there'll be a lot of discussion a lot of arguing on our on our text chain throughout the next hopefully two weeks and seven games that's what i want do you communicate with any of the players on the golden knights liam no he might stalk a couple of them does that count as communicating uh gary lawless dma though and said i'm his favorite guy at barstool now so so that's another storyline gary not coming on with us before the series he got me this jersey he he literally said uh boys i'll see you i'll see you when the cup ends i'm like no no gary stoff comes on right before cup finals like that's our thing you're you're you're stoff you're vegas's stuff he's like haha i love you guys see you in two weeks i think that they're they're uh i think that maybe he's upset about the cast of the interview that's what i think no he's probably he's probably superstitious but if they do win came on every series and they've won and you got to be superstitious he came on when did he come on he came on he came on before the playoff started i believe he's been on twice hasn't he i think he's been on twice before the playoffs and in the middle one of the after the first round no we talked to him during the utah series i believe yeah when carlson was coming back remember it got announced i don't know if he's playing this series no that was the ducks it was right before the ducks and then he played the game i'm not kidding either he got me this jersey we were game one this year that's another that's another crazy you know you know why they're going to win in six games at home me and blunny started the season in vegas and remember when we were walking around like uh outside uh what do you call that on the strip on the strip and he called the dorothea of hatrick he called it and that's what he's calling for the guy offers cocaine on the street before you made the pick i'm sure we have the video somewhere that's what he's like do i look like a cocaine guy i'm like yeah but you're not and and what's even crazier is marner you know how they did the player intros where they come on the golden carpet not the red carpet the golden carpet he came onto the panel i did the mitchie comeback video and there's the picture of marner on the panel and blunny's a creep right below and then and then sure enough when we were inside the building um lawless came and delivered this jersey it's all coming together boys it's all coming together and so rod the bod fucking cleans you cleans and and jerk what is it jerk press what is it over the snatch clean and snatch bloody right over right over his head snaps him in half hey do you think there's any way that um like brindamore would be able to do that i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't would call um cassidy like if they heard that interview he was a little bit distraught like wanting to see things up do you think there's a chance that he would i personally wouldn't just for i don't want that bad karma i just want to do it the way i've been doing it i don't i'm sure that cassidy's called them and been like anything you need from me let's go all system i'll work for free it's so funny that a guy who a coach he you know he wins a stanley cup there and no he's he's upset right now rightfully so it's like he wants them to lose more than any person ends in the world everything ends ugly with them look at flurry like it's just it's toxic anyway bloody we love you i'll see you in vegas for game six and uh yeah i'd come out i'd come out to that maybe you could facilitate a marner interview for us i don't got the pull like that i would love if all you guys were there for a game six close i'd show you the childhood home i'd show you guys around vegas and biz one last thing because that vegas trip that season opener we blew that game in the third period to la but i still walked away no one that was a stanley cup i was texting you during the game you were up in the panel i was looking at you you were looking at me this is a cup like this is the most talented team we had i leave that game me and uncle kenny were going back and i do it again and i'm like i'm not gonna do it again i'm not gonna do it again in the last words i say in the video where i'll see you back here for a stanley cup final this season is this true biz yeah buddy all this is dead bang on i even talked to him that night as well after we went to the rhino and blew liam's salary i would love to see uncle kenny blutman too that's just that's perfect i facetimed yandel uh last week two weeks ago whenever to talk to uncle kenny but he didn't answer all right bloody all right we'll talk to you guys i 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tournament again i never want to be at this tournament again i never want to be at this i don't think people got that it means you're competing for the stanley cup final and you can't be there and you can't partake it's it looks a lot worse if you don't think of it that way but then ryan and he kind of got torched for it ryan o'reilly after said it's just to come over here and leave with nothing is is just a disgrace and kind of shocking i would say um finland seeing barkov out there again i was like oh my god like the panthers might win the cup next year i don't think that's a huge shocking thing to say but helenius can't even say his name right i don't think it's helenius he's incredible he scores the winner finland gets it done but biz i just said as you were taking a hose tough year for hockey canada very tough brutal yeah yeah whatever what are you gonna do i i'll be honest like yes it would have been nice to bring home a medal from the worlds but like let's be honest those guys get over there and they they're out they'd like their boo their booze in like they're having fun like they're enjoying each other's company um i don't know maybe for whatever reason this year they took it more seriously and they were really trying to win but like i don't give a fuck about the worlds no offense that's a fair statement that's a fair i've won one myself under 18 and the summer one as well i won two under 18 gold medals not a big deal um i just i don't give a flying fuck but had a lot to europe biz had they won all the media in canada would have been talking about you know it's a huge not me canada but now now everybody's gonna downplay it like it's nothing come on go back and listen to any spit and chiclets about world championships like during playoffs oh i know you yeah oh okay well yeah i mean i'm not i i've been very complimentary of of of other countries kind of raising their level of play and and reaching canada standards and as of right now we got to take a big fat look in the mirror and we're going to take a big fat look in the mirror and we're going to take a big fat look in the mirror and we're going to take a big fat look in the mirror and we're going to take a big fat look in the mirror and we're going to take a big fat look in the mirror and and figure shit out i mean yeah it's uh it's it's not good we don't we don't have many things to celebrate as a nation um when it comes to sports uh so i mean we got curling with the little finger flick and then and then what else now at this point yeah that's it um biz it is possibly good news for the uh world hockey stage that the iihf decided could be back basically they're going event by event which is they're going to decide before each event if russia's allowed to play i it's kind of confusing to change like i thought when this announcement would come out it's like they're back no they're not back but they're not like permanently banned so there's somewhere in between where they'll decide before i imagine that before best on best play it's like okay they can play and then it goes back to world to world juniors and they say they can't play but there's a chance now we see russia in the next best on best yeah and and i think that that is going to be the case in uh in the next world cup of hockey in 2028 um i think that they're going to have to invent a new strain of ozempic for for ovi to be a part of that one but i also believe that he will be a part of that one even even if he's not like barring something i think that next year he has his his his uh his farewell tour in the nhl that's my prediction and then the next year just based on like i mean guys like he's not he can't even skate out there it's a fucking sideshow like in that in that regard especially could you imagine by the end of next season i think that maybe that following season when they do have the world cup of hockey i could see him playing in russia and then representing his country at the world and then that's it see you see you later sayonara it would be i like that take it would be brutal it would be brutal if we didn't have balkan and ovi at one last best on best as like a passing of the torch to the capri soft to the demidovs to the whatever ovs that are coming up yeah that's why it would have been nice to have them in this olympics just because those guys were still you know playing in gino who knows what he's gonna do you want him best on best but i i agree with you on that because those guys do like to go back and play in russia for a year when they retire from the nhl man it would just be so good to have seen them in the olympics with how deep they were in the olympics and how deep they were in the olympics and how deep they are now the goaltending that they have but if we can get them in the world cup like that that is huge for hockey and it just makes the tournament that much even better i would i would personally sign off on ovi being able to use ozempic and the russian gas for that world cup of hockey i know the whole reason everyone would i know there's a lot of reasons as to why they're not playing whether it's doping whether it's like the war like there's a lot of things at russia they're you know they don't do it by the code exactly they're not exactly you know above the board usually and how they go about things but for that one specifically russian gas ozempic and whatever else that ovi wants to do let him do whatever the fuck you want as long as he's bringing the gold card um the kitchener rangers are a complete wagon memorial cup champs they took down everett six to two they also beat them six to two in the round robin sam o'reilly have you guys heard of sam o'reilly no no no is he a player first round pick by the edmonton oilers a couple years back they traded him oh no i believe he's ohl mvp ohl playoff mvp memorial cup mvp he is now a member of the tampa bay lightning oh where you at stuff that was the isaac okay so now isaac howard incredible year in the ahl was dominant michigan state the year before that i'm not ready to say like oh my god disaster trade at all because isaac howard could play a huge role with the oilers next year but the way sam o'reilly played this season after the trade it is a i don't think i could tell the truth of saying oilers fans aren't like uh you know we're looking at a possible i've read like unbelievable third line center in the a in the nhl someday so isaac howard there's a little more pressure on him than normal based on who you get traded for but congrats to congrats to you know kitchener what a what a wagon of a team hasn't edmonton been looking for a third line center for quite some well that's the the problem was that isaac howard be as as a little bit older would be ready to play and have an impact on the oilers before sam o'reilly in the window that mcdavid has and i think isaac howard's gonna be a really good player so i'm just mentioning that he he was traded from the oilers and he just won every single thing i think you can win in junior hockey individual and team yes biz i went to kitchener for a public appearance like to like go like like meet the team and stuff like this year back uh no like this is maybe two to three years ago and the reason i was there is it was facilitated by my buddy jeff krizakis who's constantly messaging me about like hey you guys do these uh these college hockey tours you need to come to kitchener like first class organization they they did they did a remodel to the locker room supposedly it's the nicest facility in in all of junior hockey right now yeah yeah they have a lot of people that are going to come to kitchener and they're going to have like a golf simulator in there for the boys i think they do a lot of their like quote unquote homeschooling because like their their schedules are pretty crazy right they're more hockey focused than school but they have like a like a school room there where they're able to like do their their studies at the rink like they are just top titty as far as uh junior hockey is concerned and listen these chl teams are going to have to start doing this type of stuff in order to start doing this type of stuff in order to be able to do it it's now just go to the chl and then you it's now just go to the chl and then you it's now just go to the chl and then you go to college it's just turned in the ushl's go to college it's just turned in the ushl's go to college it's just turned in the ushl's the national team development program could be in a tough spot um carter meyer who i crazy dad i played with his dad freddy he left the national team development program to go to the quebec league he needs a release he's going to play with his brother next year yeah it's a crazy story i actually want to i want to talk to fred ramparts i want to talk to freddy more um and and you know before we really discuss it but a crazy you know i shouldn't say crazy but you know something you haven't seen before where you're leaving the national development program which i've heard things are they're at a crossroads which it seems like the entire junior hockey landscape is at a crossroads but it's turning into i think there was a kid the year before jp hubert or something like that or harold burke horrible but he left to go to the whl and it's a little scary for usa hockey i'm not gonna lie and interestingly enough a star player on everett landon dupont we've talked about mickey dupont who was a member of the wilks penguins organization he's a great offense great europe as well his kid is disgusting nasty like scott needemeyer you're looking at like quinn hughes scott you know any any you know undersized a little bit defense and it's incredible and now everett season ends and then all the news is where is he going to go to college and all of a sudden i think he's going to be going on visits and you know michigan will be in the mix and you know all these other teams with probably big dough and big pockets uh will be in the mix but the question i have and i wonder is keaton verhoff who stoff had mentioned to us i think was like the best defenseman to ever come out of western canada he went to north dakota and i wonder if going into the draft if he'd stayed in the whl would he be getting drafted higher like i think it's a it's a valid question based that all of a sudden you've seen g and you follow this a little more closely like his name's ropped a little bit i think yeah he had a real tough frozen for but it's a lot it's a it's it's harder hockey and that that is not even a chirp it's old way older men in college hockey so it's probably best for your development is it best to play your draft year in college hockey it's very difficult you've seen celebrini and eichel and certain guys be able to light it up you've seen a lot of other guys be like holy fuck this is not the chl so the nch she went to is like it's a it's a conference of bigger stronger western league type guys the 23 24 year old guys that are just old and big and play heavy i mean that's why we've seen what eight of the last like 10 national championships have come from the nchc so i you mentioned landon dupont though i wouldn't be surprised one bit you said he's gonna he could end up with a team with money i wouldn't be shocked one bit if denver comes in and just scoops him up here like but they don't but they don't pay their players i heard after i heard after that that that is kind of false i heard that that is kind of false we're gonna have to do some more digging on that one i think denver has a little bit of money actually i'm not we don't know they give them free chipotle which is basically like a million bucks those guys but gee right now is landon dupont the consensus first overall pick for 2027 no question about it right now no question i love carter meyer too and i think he's making oh he's sick i think he's making a great move going to quebec i feel like the development program was almost too easy for him so go to quebec you're playing against older guys it'll be a little bit better for you but yeah i think landon dupont right now i mean especially with like what guys like quinn hughes and kill mccarr and zach orinsky have done over the past few years and you're seeing how much value these puck moving defensemen have i think it's no question he's going to be the story of college hockey next year him along with the plant the three plant brothers that are playing at minnesota duluth there'll be the story of college hockey but with what i just wanted to ask you about those guys like mckinnon and verhoff who left juniors to to ultimately test themselves right you're going to a tougher league with older players and i know i know he had mentioned it um uh in in the doc that you guys did with him like he knew he wasn't going to be putting up the same amount of numbers he knew the game wasn't going to be as easy but at the end of the day man like if you're getting yourself better you're getting yourself who cares if you drop a pick or two it's not like the nfl i agree but i think some people do i i'm in agreement with you but i think it's not like the nfl where the signing bonuses are capped anyway they're all the same yeah it's all the same it's all the same basically if you're a top 15 pick i agree with you if you drop if you're a guy that's considered to go you go to a better team i think that if you have the mentality of you're staying a junior because you want to be a higher pick i would avoid that guy at all costs that that that tells me everything what you got between the years i want guys who want to challenge themselves and like learn learn like put me against harder competition we fucking drop the line here all the time iron sharpens iron ryan whitney and you're going to frat parties and football games you're probably enjoying your life a little bit more it's a little better for sure then then uh um all right so we got michael lansberg coming on soon is he ready now james needs a few minutes here needs a couple minutes okay any other subjects that we could talk about in the meantime mason mctavish's name has been thrown around as a potential uh trade target for the ottawa senators apparently well his dad his dad was like the first hire dale mctavish was i believe was the first hire that steve stayos made when he came in so that's why mctavish mason's name is kind of floating around uh the senator's organization it seems as though being a healthy player and he's been around for a long time so we're going to have to wait and see if he's going to be able to make his way out of it and we're going to have to wait and see if he's going to be able to make his way out of it and we're going to have to wait and see if he's going to be able to make his way out of it and we're going to have to wait and see if he's going to be able to make a big part of that core i could definitely see options of being traded or moving on from a guy because there's there's something there that quenville didn't love right and then all of a sudden like can you can you work through that and can in your exit meeting you be on the same page of what needs to happen in the summer for you to not be sitting out in playoff games in the most meaningful games or is it kind of like we've seen many times coach and player they don't mix and i don't i don't know i'm not in that room but i i think there's room for him to get better i think that like you know he's still young right i think that the signs after the the the contract negotiation and the fact that they're going to need money boys because they're going to have to pay dylan gunther or not dylan gunther um uh gochie um and carlson like i don't know if i'm i wouldn't be shocked if somebody uh offer sheets leo carlson yeah and then you got seneki after that and seneki so they got those three guys up for payment i would rather what is what does mctavish make six and a half no i think he makes more roughly maybe seven he makes seven i think that he's gone but do you think it's one of those things because they did scratch him in playoffs they like they would have to eat some of the salary no they really want to go he's young he's young no but you're right in terms of you're not selling high that's what i mean like what are you going to get right now after you're there i think that a guy like mctavish it's i don't know something that they can fill in in a spot where i mean i'm trying to think of their roster like maybe like that might be the type of guy that you you get rid of for like a first round pick yeah people have mentioned pittsburgh people have mentioned pittsburgh that would be a good landing spot for him i mean there's a few obviously anaheim has to tinker the roster a little bit but i feel like they got their foundational pieces and they're and they're going to be fine so um i think that that for sure like kind of like with zegras remember when they went through the contract bullshit like it just was like oh okay they're not starting off on the right foot don't know exactly if he's he's quinville's cup of tea as well as is what uh verbique knows what's going to be able to get them over the top like that guy making seven million compared to what you're gonna have to pay everybody else and it doesn't work real quick offer you guys mentioned offer sheets in the ducks i do think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think oh olin zellweger i think he's a guy who could definitely get offer sheeted this summer like he just he was getting healthy scratched at the end there 22 years old puck moving d-man you know obviously a hot commodity around the league he actually looked good in the games he got in there but they're just they they have too many guys in the back end they're just not going to be able to fit him in there well we know there'll be 31 teams gunning the offer sheet dorafiev i mean nobody's 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Bring him in right now, Michael Landsberg. Mike, what's going on? Well, what's going on? I'm pumped for this. Already pissed off. You called me Mike. Nobody calls me Mike. Used to be the running joke on Off the Record. Biz, thanks for hooking me up. And pleasure to be here, guys. And let me say this, that in real seriousness, that you guys have the ability with your platform and with your audience and with your attitude, like, no bullshit. You know, we're just talking like real guys. You guys can change the way men look at mental health more than any platform out there. We appreciate that. I thought it was important to bring you on. Like, we do talk. We talk about it sometimes. Michael, I got to make sure I'm calling you the right name. Michael. Michael. But, you know, we're trying to keep it a little bit more positive around here most of the time, and we do touch on it when it is necessary. But we just felt like bringing you on was the play because, like, you've been ahead of this for a very long time. You've dealt with your personal struggles, and we just figured that you'd be the one to be able to get through to a lot of people listening if they are dealing with something. In order to reach out to the right outlets and handle things the right way. So, we appreciate you and everything that you've done in the mental health space. And ever since you were on TSN and talking about all this stuff before, it was like, at the time you were doing it, it was kind of like faux pas. Like, not many people were talking about this and really understood what it even was. You know, thanks for all that. It's funny how it just fell into my lap. I mean, I battled anxiety all my life. Depression. Really severe depression to the point where I understood why people take their own lives. It just kind of happened, like, out of nowhere. Because we were doing a show. Stefan Richer was a guest on Off the Record. And I had read that he battled depression throughout his career. So, I thought that would make an interesting question. I'd never spoken about it at all. Never a single word. I just figured, what difference would it make? And people would just think, oh, yeah, Lansford. He knows a lot of people don't like him, so he wants us to feel sorry for him. So, I never mentioned it. So, I said to Stefan, step out of the green room for a second, if you would. I'd never met him before. I said, would it be okay if I asked you about depression? And he said, it's painful. I don't like to talk about it. So, I said to him, would it help if I talked about it? He said, sure, let's do it. I told him a bit about my story. We went on the air. I asked him. And he gave me this great answer. He said, imagine a Canadian kid, born in Montreal, drafted by the Montreal Canadiens, rookie of the year in the NHL, last Canadian to score 50 goals, Stanley Cup champion for the Montreal Canadiens, one moment of that did I enjoy. And I thought, wow, that's got to be like the definition of depression. So, he went through this, and I realized, because I'm hearing the count in my ear, I'm almost out of time, and I got to mention it because I promised him I would. So, I said, 11 seconds worth. All I said was, hey, Stefan, I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate what you said. I know there's one other person on this set who's experienced depression, and that's me. And that was it. And the reaction to that was insane. I'm like reading these emails. I'm showing my wife, and she goes, holy shit, how did that happen? I wasn't trying to do anything good, but people heard that, and they heard I wasn't ashamed or embarrassed. Stefan wasn't ashamed or embarrassed. We didn't sound weak. And all of a sudden, you know, this became my new life. The tagline you always use is sick, not weak, right? That's what you always refer to. When did you personally start getting these feelings? When did they pop about? I would say early in my life, I never really dealt with it, where all of a sudden, as you get older, life becomes a little bit more serious. You have more responsibility, and maybe that's where it creeps in. You know, the why is really difficult for a lot of people with really serious depression, because there is no why. It's like, I don't know how I got sick. I went to a psychiatrist the first time, and I said to her, look, if you want me to come and talk about this, I'll come every day if you want me to come every day, but I need something right now. I'm fucking dying here. You've got to give me something, because I'm not going to make it. And that was sort of my start on this journey. Why did it happen? I don't know. Did I have anxiety as a kid? Yes. Did I fear things other kids didn't fear? Absolutely. Did I ever talk about it? No. Did my daughter develop a chronic eye condition that was really serious and vision-threatening? Yes. Did I handle that poorly? Yes. I became obsessed with it, and the more I thought about it, the more I fell into this hole of depression. But here's. Something, guys, you've got to understand. It happens so slowly. You don't know what's happening. It's like this tiny change in your life to who you are. And I heard my father-in-law one day say, wait, well, Michael has changed more than anyone I've ever met. And I thought, what's he talking about? Like, I haven't changed. And then I started to think about it, look at all the things I used to do that I didn't do anymore, all the things that used to bring me joy, all the confidence that I had. I used to look into the camera, and I would know that I was born to do this. I was 100% sure that I could do whatever it was we were going to do that day, and that I could interview guys and not be afraid of them. And then I realized, oh, my God, that guy is gone. And I have left and been replaced by this person. I fucking hated him. I hated who I was. I hated everything about me. And that was kind of the start of this journey. That's interesting to hear because it does make a lot of sense in terms of having all the success you've had, having all the success Stephon Richer had. It doesn't matter, right? And when you first saw the psychiatrist and then moving forward, like, did it take different psychiatrists? Did it take medication? Like, how long was this something where you feel like maybe now, and I hope you do, have a little bit more of a grip on it? Oh, yeah. So it was medication, for sure. And I'm not here to be an advocate for medication, right? I'm only here to be an advocate for do whatever you have to do. Because if you're really depressed, or really anxious, and anything else mental health related, and you're not doing anything about it, you're giving up your life, man. You're giving up your life. You are alive, but you're not really living. So she wrote a prescription for me. I went downstairs to the drugstore, filled the prescription, bought a bottle of water, took my first pill at that point. And two weeks later, I was doing okay. And I cured this amount of time later. Do I still battle? Absolutely. But am I satisfied with, what I get to do in my life and how I get to feel about it? Absolutely. And I know for me, Witt and Biz, when we came into the league, like even talking mental health, like it wasn't really a big topic. And I feel like the last handful of years, it's gotten more into the language. You see guys taking time off from mental health issues and stuff like that, where it's kind of one of those things. It's like you've said, you're injured, you're hurt. It's part of, you know, if you're not feeling mentally strong, you can't go out and play in an NHL game or an NFL game, or NBA game. Like what have you been most proud of seeing that progress the last few years of guys, you know, at least speaking it out so other people know? Well, just you alone. Like you played almost a thousand straight games, right? You played through like a bizarrely horrible injury. But that was okay because they were physical injuries, right? So, but if that was something mental and you said, I'm just going to play through it, you'd be fucked. I can tell you, you would be because people, who try to just play through it, never get better unless they address it. So what I'm, I'm really proud of the fact that we just talk a bit more about it, but I'm kind of worried that men in particular, you know, like men, like we're still really shitty at it. You know, like, like we just don't talk about stuff the way women do, right? Like, like we look at Claude Lemieux. I mean, I, I knew Claude really well when we did the show and he was on like, I don't know, 25 times probably. It was on my all-time favorite show, maybe, with Darren McCarty, we put those two guys on together and they'd never been together since they went at it on the ice. And I said to Claude, you know, would you do this? And he said, absolutely. And we said to Darren, would you do it? He didn't say absolutely that quickly, but just the two of them together talking about it was amazing. And Lemieux was like, I know it's one of the reasons why he put me on was Claude's death by suicide. It's just, he was one of those guys and I'm sure you all have it, right? Guys that you expect to be a dick and he's not. He was that guy. I thought, you know, like, Claude Lemieux, like, what's it going to be like? He was an awesome guy and he knew that I battled, but we never talked about it because, I mean, back then, I don't know what was going on with him, but I think that we could do way better. And just now, like on this show, we're making a difference. Because we're not talking about it. Like if you say to men, hey, join us on Spitting Chitlets next week when we'll talk about the symptoms of depression. No one wants that. But now we're talking about, you know, Claude Lemieux and Darren McCarty and we're talking about other stuff and somehow it finds its way into the conversation. That's why I say you guys have this amazing power. I appreciate that. And I think there are, I don't think I know right now there's guys listening or have turned it off like pussies. And I'd really, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't care because I think there's a lot of people listening that are truly listening like, holy shit. Like the line you just said, you're not living your life and you don't, nobody deserves that. And that's why I don't care about people who say I have no interest in that. You're being a bitch, blah, blah, blah. Because if it reached one person, it really makes the world a difference to us. And I think it, I think it truly does. And to hop in there, Michael, like, like I almost envy people who like, they don't deal with that. Like they, it never, it never, it never, it never occupies their mind. It's in there. When you talk about it, they're like, what are you talking about? That's that's pussy shit. And, and they move on. Hey, to those people, I would shake their hands and say, Hey man, you're, you're obviously living a lot better than a lot of people and your ability to shut that off. Hey, I commend you. But the other side of the coin is like, there's a lot of people that do deal with it. And there's a lot of people, especially men that deal with it in silence. And you've kind of said a few things where you've mentioned depression and anxiety, and there's a lot of different things that surround it. It's not just one thing. It's not very linear either. So can you maybe elaborate a little bit more on that? And what, what also do you think about the guys like Dana White who are like, ah, talking about that stuff is pussy shit. You know, I, I, uh, Dana, if, if you were to say to me, Hey Michael, who was your favorite guest on off the record? I would say, you know, like we did like thousands of shows. So it's not like one guy comes to mind, but Dana would have been one of the guys. Absolutely. Um, because he had thick enough skin that you could challenge him. You could like, you could say, what the fuck are you talking about? You know? Uh, and he, he wouldn't be pissed off. I'm disappointed. I actually asked him not a couple of years ago, I asked him, would you work with me on a men's mental health program where we tried to talk to men in a way that wasn't focused on mental illness. It was focused on the stories, the people, and somehow we weave it in there. And then I find out, you know, he's that it's pussy to, you know, like this kind of stuff. And that's disappointing, but you know, live and learn. Uh, I still like the guy and I still like the fact that he was such a great guest, uh, because you, you could like fight with him. Yeah. Like you guys must know this, like, like guys that you fight with and they solve, that's no good. But if you can find someone who you can fight with and debate with and argue with, and you can tell them you're a fucking idiot and they're not going to get mad because it's showbiz, then that kind of stuff is gold. And going back just to the other question there about like it not being necessarily linear either. Cause there's probably people listening right now that are, are dealing with different types of mental illness stuff. Like what's your expertise in it? And like, what, like what different lanes are there? And maybe like, how do these people who are listening, who are like, I can't find an answer. I can't find an answer. Like, what is it? You know, the first thing you have to do is you have to think about it. Men don't think about their mental health because people don't tell us to think about our mental health. Uh, and it's, it's, it's an awareness that shit happens, right? You know, you see these stats about how many people actually are living with mental illness and you go, holy crap. Then you got to think to yourself, okay, well, if one out of five have it, if one out of two experience mental health challenges by the time they're 40, then why would I assume it's not me? But we do assume that it's not us because we have no clue what it is. And one of the things I say, I mean, I traveled, uh, around this country and a lot of the U S talking about mental health. And one of the things they say is if you haven't been through it, you can't understand it. No matter what you can't understand it. People think they can, right? Because we use the word depression to, to say, oh, you know, my dad passed away like four years ago. You know, I'm, I'm depressed about it. It's not the same as the illness. So there's an awareness that we need. And I tell people, you got to understand it's not what you think it is, right? If you think that someone with depression has been look sad and they're going to be crying all the time. Fuck men don't do that. You know what men do? They get pissed. They get angry. They yell at their kids. They yell at their wife. They act like assholes because they can't show the real pain they're in. They can't show like in, in hockey, you couldn't show sadness, right? You could show anger for sure, but you couldn't show sadness. And so understanding what an illness like depression or anxiety or, or bipolar or, um, OCD, you know, they're kind of all ADHD. It's kind of like this big mess in our heads. And some people get a little of this and a little of that, but it's, I think it's, it's understanding the fact that it's, it's not what you think it is. You know, I, I thought a lot about this before coming on and I thought hockey is maybe the best example of, um, how to talk about mental health because you guys, you know, had a code, right? You played with the hockey code and the code told you certain things. I mean, we all know about the code. I, I didn't play hockey, uh, but I know about the code, talked about the code all the time. And then one day I realized, you know, we men live by that same code. We, we like, like whether you played hockey or not, you live by the code, you know, the rules of the code, handle it yourself. You're a man, no one's coming. Uh, uh, don't show weakness ever because you're a man act like it. And all of these rules that existed in hockey exist in man's life. And we need to accept the fact that we're living by these ridiculous rules. They were great in hockey, right? You know, like they keep guys on the ice, they keep guys playing all kinds of shit. But when it comes to men living their life, no. Michael, what, what, what would be a sign, whether you could see in yourself or in one of your friends that they're acting off and it's not one of those things where it's just, Oh, he's having a bad day or he's having a bad week where, you know, you could really tell something's going on. You know, that's, that's, a great question. Thank you. And there's no, uh, there's no real great answer to it because everybody's different, but you know, how, how do you see, let me put it this way. Okay. I'll give you an example of how tough it is. Uh, I did probably in my career, a thousand shows severely depressed where, uh, I just, I hated everything about my life. I hated everything about who I was. Now, when I say I hated everything about my life, it's how I related to my life. And it was, it was so obvious to me that it was on my face, right? Like I would do a show and I would think, Oh my God, people are going to call ambulances. They're going to, you know, like let's get Landsberg some help. Not one show. Did anyone actually ever say to me, are you okay? Not one. And in 2008, this is kind of like, I have this tattoo on my arm, 11, 24, 08, Y U L and H 5, 2, 1, 0, 4, 0, 0, November 24th, 2008. Y U L is the Montreal airport code. Marriott hotel room five 21, 4 AM. We were there shooting, uh, off the record, the gray cup. And I sat on the edge of my bed and I thought, I understand why people take their own lives. It was like, I was in so much pain. It wasn't that I didn't love my wife and my kids and my parents at the time and didn't love my job. Like all of that was like, check them off. I was, you know, I, I was so blessed, but I was in so much pain at that point that I was way more afraid of having to try to live with that pain the next day than I was of dying. And that taught me so much. And the next day when we did the show, no one said to me like, you're okay. You don't seem like yourself. So Keith, it's, it's, it's really tough to understand what's going on in someone's head. If they don't want you to know, because we all get the ability to wear the mask and, uh, people with depression get really good at it. And so it wasn't, it wasn't people not noticing it. It was more so you doing a good job of hiding it. Totally. Totally. I mean, if I, if I would have acted the way I was feeling, everybody would have known. I mean, I would just be in there, you know, wouldn't have talked, wouldn't have done anything. You know, I just wouldn't have been me and guys like all of us in this conversation who work on camera, you get really good, right. At, at acting how you think people want to see you as opposed to how you're actually feeling, right. You don't go on the air if you've had a bad day. Well, you might talk about the circumstances of the bad day, But you, you know, if you're sad about something, you know, you put a face on and you do it you you watch uh um you you watch msnbc and ari melber and every night he seems like the same guy but he has good days and bad days but he learns how to look just like he thinks you want him to look and that's where it gets really tough to see through it so keith my answer is uh first of all the number one symptom that we all experience whether it's anxiety or whether it's depression is the desire to get the fuck out of here the desire to retreat the desire to like wherever you are you want to be someplace else and mostly you want to be on your coach at home and i can't explain to you why that is but being around people and being having to having to be yourself and to talk was so painful and i've like i said i've given a couple of hundred speeches every single person every single person in the audience who's had this kind of illness has said me too like that's unbelievable so when you watch people that you care about and all of a sudden they're not doing the things that they used to do or even more importantly you don't think they want to do those things like you can show up for something and and not want to be there but that doesn't mean that you're still mentally healthy so it's what you're thinking do you want to be there you know and uh like for me my wife knows that the first sign that i'm struggling is i'm i'm on the coach well actually i'm on the coach anyway but there's different reasons for being on the coach like sunday afternoon when nfl's on like i'm on the fucking coach uh and that doesn't mean i'm depressed but just the whole idea that you retreat uh that you are trying to get away from everything and everyone keith i can tell you that that is the biggest thing i i'm wondering if you have a theory based on i think a lot of it is the internet but you'd be an example of maybe somebody who that's not the case of of the rise in this or is it actually it's always been around and it's just talked about more because i'm guessing it's a little of both where now you're hearing about it more which is a good thing but people will say like look at these guys we're on memorial day we're talking about people who fought for their country and what they did and like what they're going through but now it just seems to be more prevalent is that is that what's going on in today's culture and today everyone's lives or is it just always been here you know in your opinion yeah it i it's kind of like like i'll answer any question uh about lived experience about how i dealt with that how it feels like that's like the most important thing is like what does it feel like to alert people that hey maybe you're not doing as well as you thought but fuck i i that's above my pay grade like knowing is there more now than there was but there's way more communication that exists right like there is as you said you know there's the internet and if you can put it out there to the world you know i i think though the world uh is probably more complicated today than it was say 30 years ago or 40 years ago but even just just think of this like memorial day uh like i have very few hobbies in life one of my hobbies is world war ii fascinated by world war ii do you know that uh like in america millions of men and women came home with severe ptsd but never spoke about it so you could have said back at that time uh and the years afterwards well you know i guess war didn't mentally affect a lot of people right but it was because they never spoke about it i as a kid i had this thing this fear uh and i guarantee you with your audience being uh the size that it is there's people who are going to nod their head right now i had something called emetophobia the fear of throwing up now like you could say well you know nobody likes to throw up i was desperately afraid to be around someone i wouldn't ride on a bus to go to camp because i was so afraid and in the speeches i give i would say half the time there's someone that puts up their hand it says me too so when i was a kid i never spoke about it i thought i was the only one on the planet and then later on in life you find out there are people so is there more now than there was probably are we talking more about it absolutely but are we helping people more for sure a little bit more but when it comes to men you know like this show is all about positivity right so you know i i hate to mention it but three out of four suicides are our men right like we still we're still just plugging our ears and pretending like it doesn't exist yeah i know i mean yeah that's the thing you just mentioned that we try to like keep it positive because we're trying to be an escape for people to come and enjoy time and you know i'm not trying to be an escape for people to come and enjoy time and you know i mean yeah that's the thing you just mentioned that we try to like keep it positive because we're trying to be an escape for people to come and enjoy time and you know i mean yeah that's the thing you just mentioned that we try to like keep it positive because we're trying to be an escape for people to come and enjoy time and you know i mean yeah enjoy time and i mean like there's a reason that we wanted you to come on and talk about this one because you've lived it through experience and we also like i mean i could speak on behalf of all the guys like we really appreciate your vulnerability because i think that that's what it takes in order to have like a true conversation about this and i don't know how many people are willing to put themselves out there the way that you are um michael so we we one we thank you for that and i i just like any time that i've personally dealt with it i've had people like maybe say hey try this medication i don't want to get on anything i try to deal with things a natural way do you find that like moving and getting exercise and doing things and kind of getting these small victories helps way more than maybe any type of substance would because meditation too i i think that's a big thing more about being like like present rather than being in the hamster wheel because you mentioned when you're going through stuff you kind of just sit on the couch and maybe you let things fester where you're not you know typically i find the same thing too whenever i'm going through stints i tend to just kind of sit around and i'm not as active or doing things you know i call it tied to the couch syndrome it's like you're feeling shitty so you lie on the couch and then you're there for three hours and you realize you haven't done anything so now you feel even more shitty right so it kind of magnifies it uh keith you mentioned uh meditation uh i i was a little bit more narrow-minded when i first started talking about it and someone asked me uh in a speech what do you think of yoga as a treatment for uh depression and i said like i i kind of scoffed at it and now my answer would be if it helps you like if if yoga can make a difference in your life if meditation can make a difference in your life if positivity as you're talking about this can make a difference in your life then that's a great treatment right like there's the only bad treatment is no treatment and treatment as you guys said can be a million different things but the bottom line is you gotta do something that's a great send-off and we appreciate it michael and i'll tell you um a buddy of me and keith just texted our group chat guys there's a new documentary on the history channel world war ii with tom hanks it's incredible i don't know if you've seen it yet i'm two episodes in so you mentioned you're a big fan so check that out if you haven't i i've uh i've watched the first i uh i also saw on the weekend i saw pressure which uh what has gotten a fair amount of publicity although i said to my wife you know like they don't publicize movies anymore and then i realized i don't watch tv right i mean you don't watch conventional tv ever unless it's a sporting event so but they still do i guess advertise but pressure was was really interesting story and um i i uh i know you're trying to wrap this up but no no no we're not not at all it's so weird to be doing something that has no sort of time i know i was gonna mention that like tsn you got you it was here like we could talk for another 20 minutes you know i i just i i think that you guys because you're not telling people in advance and you i mean you every once in a while you talk about mental health but when you do it it's so effective because you haven't told people okay well this is mental health talk you know it becomes part of a story and that's what i'm trying to do is is like when i go out to speak i say look hey i can make jokes about mental illness because i got a mental illness so too fucking bad if you're going to be you know offended by it and i can make jewish jokes right because i'm jewish so i think that bringing a sense of humor to it unraveling it in a story is a huge thing uh lyndon byers you guys obviously all know lyndon byers he was uh he was kind of uh i loved him right we put together a segment on off the record for him and rob ray together and it was it was it was genius like any idiot could have hosted a segment with rob ray and lyndon byers talk and i knew uh because lyndon and i stayed very close friends until until his death uh and i knew that he knew he had cte i knew that he knew that he he was slipping away and sliding away yet he could bring a sense of humor to it in a way that there wasn't anyone else that i bet that was like that and i knew that he knew that he was slipping away and sliding away and he could bring a sense and that's where you do the real good because like you say you know if it's sad and somber people are gonna turn the show off turn the podcast off but guys like you guys like this i mean you're one of those guys who people want to listen to and they want to hear and when you can slip in something of value i think it makes a huge difference did you ever meet lyndon never met lb none of you guys no no but i remember hearing him on the radio here in boston and yeah our our you know our co-host here ra he had mentioned when he passed we talked about was brutal and then you know i saw i think it was alan walsh who just tweeted the other day that it had come out that he it was grade three i think cte and you mentioned he knew that yeah that's just that's tough stuff he told me he said you know uh i used he said this on the air he said you know uh you know i i drive still and that wasn't necessarily going to continue for a long time but he said i would uh all of a sudden i'd find myself parked 50 miles from my house and i'd have no idea how i got there none and that was like really creepy but it really hit the seriousness of you know taking hits to the head right you know we don't know what was going on in claude labue's brain uh it's it's it's so hard to understand um cte for sure but mental illness in general because there's no proof of it right like if i say i'm really really down and i'm feeling you know like i you know like i don't necessarily you know i don't want to wake up tomorrow morning i can't prove to you that that exists in my head like i have no evidence right but other illnesses you could do a biopsy or a blood test or an x-ray or mri and you could say hey take a look at this but when it comes to mental illness i got i got no proof you know keith all of your injuries and all the things that you played through if you were so inclined you could have like a scrapbook of x-rays for that right you can't do that with mental illness and that's why i think it's so important to think in a lot of ways people doubt that it exists um well like i i mean i know that you like we're we're obviously going to move on from this but the conversation about all this doesn't stop here like where if anybody's listening and they're really struggling like where can they find you to have more of this conversation like where can they go is that you mentioned you have speaking engagements like what are some easier resources for people to like reach out to or find in order to help them out if they're listening you know the biggest thing that that yeah i always tell people is that you got to you got to come to grips with the fact that you need help and once you do like many people uh like i do some work for green shield it's uh it's a benefits provider in canada and everybody that gets benefits in canada has some kind of mental health allowance right they have access to an efap uh and men don't use them like literally men will ignore the fact that you know they could actually without any expense whatsoever speak to a psychologist so it's like find out what you've got access to and the first step for many is go to your family doctor right but talk to someone and but it's not just those that are struggling it's those that care about someone that's struggling right like i spoke to a group last week they were all sort of hardcore uh work outside guys who um never would talk about this and i said how many of you guys would talk to your supervisor if you thought you know i'm not doing well i think i could use some help not one guy put up their hand it's it's 2026 not one guy put up their hand and it's it's also about how do you handle someone that you care about right because we all have people in our lives that are going to struggle with mental illness and how do we handle it and that's another thing that you could learn a lot about so um talk to someone go to a family doctor and you asked me what you could do uh i think what you could do is i'm kind of selling myself because the message is everything but put me back on you know because like i kind of you know what maybe i should take that back i don't know but no well you so i know that right now you got something in the works with kevin bx uh and i know he's big on the mental health conversation because he was very close with rick rippin and that hit really close well there you go i didn't even notice that shirt there and that hit close uh to home for him and i know like we ended up meeting up for uh for lunch when we were talking about mental health when i was there doing uh doing sports net before hockey night in canada and that's kind of where you know the conversation started again obviously i'd been on off the record and uh and you mentioned that you have this project coming up yeah and it's all directed at men because i i because we're just not good at it uh and men are dying and they don't have even you can't you can't solve it you can't cure the problem but i promise you that in the good that we could do that we've done today uh and that we could do in the future that we're going to save a life as uh as witt said one life like it's amazing when when i spoke about it uh on off the record uh with stefan riche two and a half years later i got a letter from a guy and the guy said hey michael i just want to let you know you don't remember me i did it's tyson williams from north babelford saskatchewan yeah i remembered him he said what i didn't tell you when we communicated after that off the record show and then he added which by the way i didn't really like it the show i thought that was really funny that he said that and slipped that in but he said what i didn't tell you and i should have is that i was in my closet with a belt around my neck and i was going to end my life and then the computer went and it was you responding to my message and we went back and forth six times and i didn't know any of that was going on but at the end uh he said you know you kind of convinced me that i had nothing to lose to go to talk to someone so here i am two and a half years later and then i ended up being the best man at his wedding can you imagine that never met the guy before in my life and i was the best man at his wedding like how how unbelievably cool is that so uh i don't know how i got into that story oh yeah it's the power of the ability to um to make a difference in someone's life michael thank you so much for coming on and talking about this um we appreciate your vulnerability and yeah it's his uh yeah it's wild times yeah for sure and it's uh you know like keep talking about it but you know not in a somber way but in a way that you know kind of just slip in the message uh and by the way wade belak was one of my best friends the only guy that i ever uh really became friends with who was a guest on the show um was probably wade belak i mean he was he talked to me about his struggles and uh it's still like one of the biggest heartbreaks in my life and uh i i just think that um we need to keep doing what we're doing here today and so guys thank you so much for this thank you man thank you thank you and uh is my daughter said you're supposed to order cookies from her and you have not done that oh yeah that's right well well okay we'll have to get that one cookies no they're not i i don't did you i don't think you brought any last time we had lunch together you mentioned that she was doing it yeah because bx uh ordered some for the can you get them to the states i can for the states i can for the states i can for the states for sure okay wow okay here we go here we go and maybe we can get a little bit of some cushion there you know yeah for sure and then you could talk that'll help with my mentals at least you know you uh you told me about uh how when you retired you you really struggled and that's huge right it was i i talk about it like because because i would imagine that a lot of people like deal with this on a daily basis for longer periods of time it was when i uh got back from saint louis with like i was so happy in saint louis i was with him we talked about this show about creating this and making it a youtube and i it just came over me where i like i it took over me physically and that was the first time that it ever happened and you mentioned the couch thing like i was on my couch for three weeks i called the nhl doctors i didn't want to take any medication they said i was going for like four or five walks a day i was pumping vitamin d and and whatever you know supplements they told me to get on and thankfully i ended up getting a job with uh not only the coyotes farm team but then also the manchester monarchs mike fuda stothers i talk about those guys all the time that whole group of guys they literally changed my life and turn it around for the better and i'm forever grateful so that's my experience with it that's why i'm like i don't mind talking about it because that was the first time in my life where it like to like we all go through our ups and downs through everyday life like i'm not never have i ever came close to what i was there but it was crazy how it had taken over me physically where i was like oh my god like this is something that needs to be talked about and for those people that are going through that that are listening now like i like i'm so sorry that you're going through that that's why when the dana white comments come about a credit to all those people that have never that have never happened to where they're able to to go on through life day by day where it never affects them like that and it's water under the bridge any adversity that comes their way but i'm talking about for the people that it has affected like you and anybody else who's listening you know let's just be free uh i i think uh free to talk about it i i just so you guys know if i wanted to extend this conversation longer i could because that's what i do but i'm going to be very kind with you guys and say you've been very kind with your time with me so i'll just shut up and next time ask me about cm punk uh ask me about my my cm punk story i was gonna really epic epic feud it was and the best thing about that story is after uh he like hated me so is there anything wrong with this i here's what i asked him he was going from uh wwe to ufc and that's when we got him and i said to him have you ever taken a real punch and he was like no i don't think so but what and i said yeah have you ever taken a real punch because you know like you were a professional wrestler one of the the most dangerous things out there so i'm not demeaning what you did but you don't punch guys right have you ever taken a real punch because that's what you're going to get in ufc and it all went downhill after that is that a reasonable question seems it yeah yeah he didn't take it well so two weeks later we were at ufc whatever number it was in vegas uh dana gave tickets to me and my wife and kids and who's sitting four seats over oh no he am punk so i decided i'm gonna be like what i'm not scared of him so i went up to him and i said hey cm i don't know if you even know what i look like but it's michael hansberg you and i talk a couple it gave me this look i actually have a picture of it because i told my son you take the picture and i told my daughter you come with me because there's no way he's gonna punch me in the head bring him cookies oh my god what uh by the way what is the the the website for the cookies for your daughter sweetsies w uh it's uh on instagram sweetsies there's an s in the middle uh and uh yeah i'm not selling anything no i know but i figured we'd just give her a plug because good plug gotta give her a little plug come on that's what we do around here thank you i don't want to overstay my welcome we got our raise world coming up landsberg thank you so much thank you very much thank you we love you a great chat that was awesome boys um at a time where you know us certainly and a lot of people need to hear it in the tragic news about claude lemieux so let's bring in our raise world right now hello everybody welcome to our raise world here in the spitting chiclets podcast tomorrow night eight o'clock stanley cup final can't wait carolina minus 155 vegas plus 130 personally i think it's a pick them i think that line is whack uh both teams in the third stanley cup final ever both seeking their second championship vegas in its ninth season of existence carolina in its 46th 28th as the hurricanes mark stone right now has the most playoff points from the 2010 draft class which wild he was taken 178 overall in the sixth round got 123 points after him tyler sagan then tarasenko and then hyman 37 year old jordan stahl the oldest player in the stanley cup final looking to become the first player to go at least 17 years old and he's going to be the first player to go at least 17 years old from his first cup to his second one uh and him and william that's a great stat yeah and him and william carrier the only two uh hurricanes that have addressed for at least one game this post season and have stanley cup final experience vegas has 13 of those guys uh tail hall is the most regular season games played without without a cup 989 uh tomas hurdle on vegas is 873 he's second so a lot of those without a cup or without cup a cup game like without a cup without yeah without winning without winning a cup uh also there's been 28 game time or go-ahead goals in the final 10 minutes of regulation this postseason tied for the second most ever at this juncture 76 games played uh and if we do get to ot anderson five and oh and overtime so far this is our playoffs hot three and oh and overtime and just interesting this if wow both undefeated eh the hurricanes have won every overtime three two three two yeah that's that's even wilder too and you know obviously we don't we don't want to see any anybody get hurt but uh just an interesting note aiden hill uh backup his last game was uh april 9th brandon busci's last game was uh april 14th so if they have to go to the backup goalies man those guys might be a little bit rusty so who who who who goes to their backup first boys well neither one of these guys has been pulled correct no yeah yeah hot and not innocent i played every second as a goalie on the play so all right um quickly biz has vegas in six i am carolina in seven yans you were vegas in six and so what's just so we have it what's yours i get vegas in seven uh i i mean i was just looking at the lineups on puckpedia and it's so evenly matched but but the difference is is that carolina doesn't have a jack eichel and i think like uh he's you know the most maybe dynamic best two-way player in the game to certainly today i think the way he's been playing the playoffs and carolina that's going to be tough for them to match it's i'm so psyched man uh two division winners i know people have been bellyaching about you know the the yeah the last conference finals haven't been great but this has the uh makings from an all-time stanley cup final i think right now so yeah vegas in seven very much looking forward to it and how about logan stankov in two his first three seasons he was in western conference finals his first season eastern conference finals his second season and here in his third season stanley cup final and he's been unreal man what a deal tolski made there they got him a first and 26 a first and 28 a third 34 it's 6 million per and it allowed them to get hall yep yeah and randon's gonna be 30 in october making 12 million till uh 33 so just an unreal deal what was tolski master class baby yeah absolutely and of course you're on vegas no i know but i so i mean there's a common theme here i i was a little critical of of that move not knowing that randon would sign but that that of what he was able to do and his body of work like you have to say that he's easily the top three gm in the league year over year yeah getting that bounty and they don't have a big budget i think i think right now they're like 12 million under the cap so they're not even spending up to the cap really this is buddy this is tolski tolski master class impressive stuff uh it's a great read too uh from jason demers he put out his first sub stack you know the little columns that people write so you know i read that this morning it was awesome yeah good stuff basically like you know he went to his first two seasons he was in the conference finals full times and you know you think oh i'm gonna be back here and i think it was trent yanni was his coach he's like man you you're like there's no guarantee this is gonna happen again and he's like i wish i you know listen more but he goes into detail about what guys go through in the in the pain and getting shot up and stuff but yeah give that a read if you get a chance it's on twitter jason demers follow him out there good stuff you gotta have we've had him on haven't we uh he's been on i think a long time ago yeah okay we'll get him we gotta get him on again he's all over nhl network yeah great job he's great yeah he's a funny bastard oh he's a funny bastard it's funny reading that reminded me i've said before that in the cup finals in pittsburgh gary roberts gave just a speech i'll never forget talking about when i was in calgary i thought that this would be constant and it's been forever and i'm back and just because it's happened once and when you're young it doesn't mean shit like you'll you can easily never get this close again and that's kind of what demers was talking about trent yanni said like don't just think oh i'm young next year year after that i'll be back because it's not nothing is guaranteed in this game look at jordan stall right i'm sure he's giving that same speech to his crew this week like yeah would you say it's been 17 years of the guy and you know for for a player like him too with the teams that he's been on you'd expect that he's been in a couple finals or whatever but it doesn't happen to everyone um and obviously mana had you know previously blocked a trade to catalina but he's got 21 points leading the nhl in playoff points right now but i looked seven of his goals came uh in just four of the 16 games he's played and a third of his points seven of his 21 points came in just two games versus anaheim so it's just you know kind of like took a little little closer closer look obviously i think he had three assists versus colorado playing you know a great two-way game and obviously you don't have to get on the scoreboard to have a great game that's why like you sound like a toronto media yeah jesus that's why i think that like like aside from the media probably picking marner just for that storyline i think that that's probably why most like hockey truest would say jack and what he does and how many hard minutes he has to lug and in the in the but either way both guys have just been absolutely stellar especially uh marner on the pk we talked about his primary assists four of them there's only like wayne gretzky and like two other guys that have done that hockey history throughout a playoff run and he's still the chalk for the con smite but i i think some value right there like dora fey of he's 50 to one right now howden's 100 to one each of his 10 goals howden's got three game winners like if one of these guys has you know a four or five goals stanley cup final series how do you not give it to a guy with 15 goals you know what i'm saying so i see tremendous value there if you're looking to throw a little action down 50 to one like i said dora fey of 100 to one on howden uh also i don't know if you guys saw the clip uh well you guys hit start at brendan gallagher uh very emotional he had a press well press scrum today acknowledging his time with the canadians has come to an end obviously he's a ufa and um yeah you know upset but but like we just talked about mike lindsberg but my michael i should say uh great interview by the way guys it was great to have him on after what's transpired the last few days in hockey but you know it's like it's okay to you know our guy to show his emotions like that but yeah brendan it was uh i would say if i'm like vancouver he's from there that yeah that's already they already asked him basically about that you know oh did they okay shit yeah i was gonna say like fuck you got it they got a young team of guys that need to learn how to be pros and and as like a mentor exactly and yeah i mean they're not going to be close to the cap so fucking take care of them and yeah sorry vancouver um obviously yeah we mentioned claude lemieux earlier so i went back and i watched uh unrivaled um detroit versus colorado you could find that you know on the internet somewhere and um you know sort of a tribute to claude you rewatch it because you know he had that sit down with darren mccarty that kicked off the documentary and how they became close friends um so if you get a chance give it a give it a watch and i i like also how they point out, you know, I mean, obviously Claude played the way he played. That was style but you know he he with the hit on Draper people forget like Whit preceded that and Adam Foote you know basically getting the party kiss from Kozloff I mean Kozloff smacked his head off he got 20 stitches head in his head that place he started everything you know kind of up the ante where things get kind of nasty there but it was funny now you know Shanahan and Claude played early in Shanahan's career and that's why Claude's son is Brendan he's named after Brendan Shanahan and the first game they were head-to-head Colorado Detroit he looks at Shanahan he goes you're a loser you've never won anything like you know just to get in his head he's like that's how much of a competitor was he's like my kids named his kids named after me and he called me a loser who's never won anything just to like to do the psychological warfare so a lot of good stuff just the history too that goes into it it's it's one of the best hockey documentaries like you can watch so it's yeah unrivaled uh Detroit versus Colorado give it a look see if you can and also too a shout out to Vladimir Konstantinov when you watch that obviously what happened with him I mean he only played six NHL seasons you could have told me he played 10 or 12 with the impact he had on that team he was second in Norris voting too like before he had the accident there and you know he I think he had three goals and 35 assists back when Norris voters didn't emphasize points all the time was about the you know the two-way ability of defensemen so just while I was mentioning that want to give him a shout out um RA came fucking humming today boys humming he's humming right now all right you know let's get a get a finish with a flourish here then speaking of misbehavior at the rink dude it's gotta we're gonna start banning parents from from these rinks you guys must have saw the clip down south shore the other day oh yeah yeah what is it it was one parent walking by just like mouthing off to another guy and then the other guy said oh your whole family's trash and I think the guy the the guy who's like basically instigated I think he waited till he's far away figuring people might like oh like hold them back like oh you're lucky to hold me back but no one did and I think the guy who was like basically instigated I think he did and he had like the lower ground they tumbled down the stairs it was just like bro like he was a fucking adult but the funniest part where was that that kid come over he was probably 8 10 and he gunned his freaking drink off the dude's head and like send me this clip I gotta watch this buddy it's ridiculous and if if unless an adult ever like put their hands on one of my kids if I'm at a fight in the stands at a youth hockey game just take me out back and put me out to pasture yeah it's fucking insane like these guys are rolling around the fucking rink in the stands fighting each other on a May weekend in a youth hockey tournament like getting soaked by whatever elite team their kids aren't paying more money like what are we doing wow and it was another you know another viral clip up Canada last week a guy climbing on the glass it's just I don't know and I feel bad man I feel so bad for the coaches and the referees who have to have to deal with this idiocy and you know a lot of them are not making a lot of money or volunteering but yeah they're gonna just like throw these people out you know get them out of the all-time clip is way to go Paul after the guy smashes the glass with his wedding ring so yeah grow the fuck up out there you have Jesus sent it to me yeah brutal just just obnoxious but um you guys been watching any of the college world series either the baseball or the softball I watched Kansas Arkansas last night with Ryder Arkansas was up five nothing and in one inning all of a sudden it was I think it was 6-5 Kansas they won 13-10 college world series college baseball is incredible the past year I've been watching the college world series college baseball is incredible I don't understand how they're still using metal bats these guys are fucking pounding the ball I guess you know that's just still what you do but it's it's electric and I last year or the year before got into the the actual world series when they get to Omaha it's awesome yeah well great I was I was following um uh Williams yeah Jason Williams drama with the women's and how his daughter transferred from Florida to was it Texas A&M Texas Texas Texas Tech yeah he's unreal am I crazy that he's hilarious oh he's hilarious did he well we're talking about fans getting our parents getting into it in the crowd and then all of a sudden we transfer over uh did he also play at both those schools as a he went to Florida just Florida okay because somebody posted a uh maybe it was like a AI thing of him with the Texas Tech with a basketball plays oh oh no yeah oh because I think in an interview he's like a boomer falling for AI I think I think in an interview that he did he said like he's done with Florida now okay okay yeah they asked like done with like their basketball program too are you separating there's women's softball he's like I'll never step foot on that campus again unless one of my daughters is playing softball there and he was kind of I mean was he did they win it all when he was there um I know his daughter his daughter got beamed five times in like a best of three series what's the against her old team why do they hate her just for transferring probably who knows yeah no we're not in that room yeah no he turned on the I turned on the game last night and she went yabo she absolutely crushes the ball oh yeah hit one last night too yeah I just happened to turn on the tv and it was on I think it was on ESPN and as soon as I turned it on it was like one pitch and then boom absolutely smashed one to center field and I love the exuberance I'm you know when they get to get a hit like the way they wave into the dugout stuff so in the same vein it's like did you see the dude in the in the the baseball the college world series the dudes he hits a home run and he totally hotdogged the whole like you know run around the bases they threw him out of the fucking game like just for hotdogging yeah and then the coach come out they threw the coach out too like brutal dude like yeah yeah the girls I mean I think the girls like it's great they're excited they kind of hotdog it a little bit so then they see the dude get tossed like that I don't know kind of a horse shit call I thought but yeah it's been it's been fun to watch uh the big complaint this week biz like growing up I love roller coasters buddy like I it's my 20s if I'd get a pass and push guides you go there on like a cloudy day it's like being it was like having the park to yourself unlimited you couldn't pay me a million dollars to get on one of these things today it seems like every week one of them gets stuck you know it's obviously like some whether it's computer error or human error but did you see the one Thursday Galveston Texas biz 100 feet up it got stuck it was eight like high school kids had to come in they had a hundred a hundred and five foot ladder from the ladder truck they had to extend up and the you know they had like body cams on and these poor kids I mean you know they were like you know 13 14 year old girls they're like like literally as high at the highest point on the roller coaster like facing down like this like petrified and but go watch some of the clips the way these firemen talk firefighters talk to these kids and calm them down and say look you're okay with me and they just kind of bring them down they had to walk them all down this 105 foot ladder eight kids down man absolute banana so yeah roller coasters done so you couldn't get me on I'd rather go on a carnival ride yeah I'll say I haven't been on many and then we went to that uh that carnival and wits got a goal by the way he's gonna go pick up rider so why don't we say bye to witty boy love you guys I'll see you on uh Thursday see you Thursday um when I won that uh banana man there was a couple there and I was like not a chance I'm getting on one of those things that pop-up carnivals um yeah no it's pretty crazy how we went from from hockey to to Texas Tech baseball to now carnival rides it's got no no this is a legit like like a six flag like a legit but when you watch the clip it's just like again shout out shout out to the firefighters but I get sweaty palms just watching it uh got a classic recommendation for this week one of my favorite documentaries ever uh it's big part of um Bastu Law 2 uh King of Kong Fistful of Quarters it's a documentary about the chasing the high score on Donkey Kong I've seen it I've seen that I've seen it phenomenal like didn't the one guy have it in his house um yeah yeah Steve Wiebe the nerd the nerdy guy who was sort of like the protagonist and Billy Mitchell was the was the villain that he's chasing his score like you you think it sounds goofy but you're on the edgiest seat if you've never seen this movie it's phenomenally made it's like good versus evil about freaking Donkey Kong so yeah come out 2007 I don't exactly remember the ending yeah I gotta rewatch that spoiler spoiler don't listen to this if you don't want to hear maybe how the ending goes isn't he like almost gonna set the record and then the machine like stalls or like or like goes black or whatever there's some some fishy things that go on some home cooking it's uh again it you don't think a video game documentary is like it's gonna have you on the edge of your seat but it's a fascinating doc definitely give it a look see if you get a chance to see it so uh and also just mentioned that movie Pressure I'm actually gonna go see that tomorrow it's about uh D-Day and I think it's about the the weather guy who had like sort of make the call because they had to delay the invasion on Normandy because of weather concerns so I'm gonna check that out but I also want to mention we talked about um movies on the Memorial Day last week there was a movie he mentioned PTSD it's called The Best Days of Our Lives it's an old one 1946 it was the very first movie I think that ever dealt with PTSD which they called it shell shock back then so uh it's it's a great tribute to World War II. Two folks and there was actually a guy from Cambridge he he won two Oscars for the same role um he basically even it wasn't even in battle he was uh doing a teaching class on like explosives and he and his hands got blown off so back then you know they would put metal hooks on on your hands so this guy he played uh the veteran in this in this movie oh god I wish I could come up with his name and uh he won an Oscar for the performance and he they gave him another Oscar because he was such an inspiration to veterans like you know around the world because this is after World War II um so yeah great movie The Best Years Wow they gave him like a like a like a lifetime achievement type Oscar well just like like a special Oscar specifically wow Because of, yeah, because of the way he uplifted other veterans out there. Has that ever happened, other than that instance, like a specialty Oscar? No, he's the, well, they've given special Oscars, but he's the only one to get two Oscars for the same role. Like the one, the traditional Oscar. And then, you know, again, they gave it to him for winning. Is that where the term shell shock came from? Yeah. And the facts of like shell casings from guns? Before PTSD was part of our language. Wow, I never knew that. Yeah. Harold Russell, his name was. He was, actually, I believe, you know what? He was born, I believe, not somewhere in Canada. It was either Newfoundland or Nova Scotia he was born. And then his family relocated to Cambridge, Mass, right across the street from here. So, because he's got like a very much. I got to take a quick hose. Yeah, go ahead, buddy. No, absolutely, pal. We've gone deep. Yeah, I'll be wrapping up in a sec. Keith, you going to watch any of the NBA finals at all? Did you catch game seven the other night? I didn't catch game seven. Where the hell was I? When was that, Saturday night? Yeah, Saturday, yeah. Oh, I was actually, I went to the Kid Rock concert. My daughters had a tournament in Tampa and went to the Kid Rock concert with one of the dads on the team's good friends with Kid Rock. And we went there, went after, and got to meet Ric Flair after, which was unreal. No shit, huh? He was the man. Yeah, just like, he still looked unbelievable. I thought like, you know, just those wrestler guys, they age like milk. But he looked unbelievable. Did you guys see the video of Victor Wembayana holding a baseball? No. It actually looks like us holding the golf ball. It's like his hand completely takes over the ball. It's unlike anything I've ever seen. Oh, yeah. He's a treat to watch. 23 years old. I mean, he's the, I think it's like MGA LeBron Wemby. I think the way this kid, what we've seen of him so far. But one other thing, going back to, Carolina real quick, that shot they got of Keiondre Miller on the bench, like well after the game. Yeah, that was cool. Sitting there with his new born baby, just soaking it all in. And he probably didn't even know he was on camera either, man. That was, that was one of the best images we've seen so far in the playoffs. So good stuff. And also at the end of the game, seven the other night, when the dude dunked it, I mean, it was, you know, Spurs were up six already, 4.1 seconds. When he dunked that, that put the game over. The whole run was 212 and a half. And that last like dunk put the game over. So did you take the over? Is that why you're showing? No, I didn't. I didn't. My brother texted right out. He goes, that dunk, like, because most, you know, 90% of the time guys just dribble at the clock, you know, up six. But he went home and stuffed it with four seconds left. And, you know, I mean, you know, most people bet the over, so you always root for that. But I wonder what this final will get for viewership with Knicks and Wembley in the mix. I bet you they're doing like 15 million a game. It'll be monsters. Yeah, in New York. I mean, you see the streets, like the interviews after the man on the street after these Knicks games. It's been crazy. Yeah. Crazy. Like if you're, if you visit Manhattan and have no idea, like what's going on, if you go by MSG after a game, like it's, it's bananas. You think it was probably a riot or a parade or something going on. So when was the last, what was the last championship in New York? Like the whole, the last time they won? No, no, no, no. I'm not that. I mean, anyone like the Yankees, right? The Yankees won in 2009. Oh yeah. And then the range. No, but then when did the Giants win though? They won 2011. Trigger one. Trigger one. We got that one. It's PTSD, bro. So it's been a little while for New York. So if they get a championship here, man, I'm not even being, you know, a Boston sports fan. I'm actually, I'm rooting for the Knicks in this one. I really, huh? Yeah. No, I'm going to watch it. It should be, you know, and it's good. They don't, you know, every night you got to either cut the cup or the NBA. So obviously they talk to make sure they don't conflict at this point. But yeah, boys, anything else before you wrap up here? Always a fun chat coming on. No, no. Biz, you missed it. I told RA, I met Ric Flair. This weekend. Holy shit. He, how old is he? He's, we looked it up like 73, two. Yeah. I thought it's 70. He looked great. I know it duty looked pretty good in person. Really? Unless it was an AI version. Probably on the peptides. Imagine how much his body hurts doing that shit. Oh, the beating those guys put on. But what a, what a legend. What does he do now? I just kind of cruises around, just doing appearances and stuff. Probably. His finances. I think our, our, our mess. I remember, I remember there was a big article. Yeah. A few years back. If I'm that age, it's kind of like, whatever. Just give me my 10, 15 K every public appearance. As long as I got the Rolex on my wrist. All right, boys. Well, Stanley Cup final. We good. Tomorrow night. Everybody's fight up. Can't wait to get it rocking and rolling. Great show. And everything starts Tuesday. Love you. Yeah. Tuesday night, eight o'clock. Okay. See you there. All right. Love you guys. Love you gang. Adios. Peace. It won't happen. It won't happen. It won't happen again. A bad habit worth breaking, but it's taking time. And I know you don't let it. It's going to happen. It's going to happen again. It's going to happen again.